game-discussion

[honest silo]

But yeah I honestly hope to get USS Bridgeport CA-127 one day.

[cold geyser]

the kind of sounds peaceful actually

[honest silo]

Oh, rip.

[cold geyser]

is there still event passes and dock yards yes right

[harsh prairie]

as long they keep the game +13 ( lets not mention the bikini commanders and azur lane)

[cold geyser]

wait what do you get instead of daily containers then because those are loot boxes

[harsh prairie]

the game will be nerfed here

[old widget]

What the best nations to research?

[harsh prairie]

yes,they are not "gambling"

[harsh prairie]

daily containers are free

[cold geyser]

they 100% are gambling

no they cost time

time is also a resource

[livid bridge]

If they banned gambling in here I would have to flee travel to the US

[harsh prairie]

everything cost time

[cold geyser]

correct

now you're getting it

[harsh prairie]

with that logic,might as well close the game, since opening it is gambling

[livid bridge]

Gambling doesnt cost time

[harsh prairie]

[livid bridge]

You just click and win instantly

[harsh prairie]

the moment i click the battle button

its a gamble

will i get decent teammates?

or bots?

[cold geyser]

yep

[honest silo]

Just for know guys.

On Wishing Warf there are Containers right?

[frosty cedar]

its just with really bad odds xD

[harsh prairie]

exactly

but thats WG tradition

[livid bridge]

Belgium banned having bad dispersion

[harsh prairie]

with any game they make

[livid bridge]

Cuz its gambling

[plush smelt]

damn this guy is 65% but has -1 karma

[harsh prairie]

i honestly never paid attention to the shitting warf event

[plush smelt]

bro must be chat banned fr

[honest silo]

I see.

[harsh prairie]

dont know where you get the resource to roll the thing

container or buying it in the arsenal

but that thing is worse than gamba

[honest silo]

I was remembering a bit at when Sibir was released and if I remember correctly there where Containers.

[livid bridge]

You spend dubs on rolls

Tldr

[eager pumice]

if I had a dollar for every time I was in this exact position on this exact map just rushing in for fun and the Paolo crashed into me and died because it was going too fast

I'd have 2 dollars

which isn't a lot but it's funny it happened both times

[harsh prairie]

yeah, i dont know if such thing is banned in my country too, not like i would spend money on whishing warf anyway

[hexed escarp]

It was from Wishing Wharf along with Yamato Kai

[ivory egret]

really wish theyd bring back being able to destroy modules.

[livid bridge]

Awful idea

[eager pumice]

y tho

[honest silo]

So there where Containers to buy?

[livid bridge]

Much better now that you cant destroy them

[honest silo]

Hey InterconKW.

[eager pumice]

hi

[untold thistle]

Only you

[harsh prairie]

lets hope they do that daily steel giveaway again like last year

[hexed escarp]

Modules being indestructible is an indirect buff to brain dead secondary BBs

[opaque latch]

World of tanks got a tank ban system

wows when

[harsh prairie]

tank ban what?

[honest silo]

What?

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-funny-funny-look-gif-4850532509577233362

[hexed escarp]

Clan Battles has that since years ago

[old widget]

What the best nations to research at the start/early game?

[livid bridge]

I should message my gf to pick me up from work

[harsh prairie]

"babe , come pick me up, im scared"

[honest silo]

USA.

[hidden bay]

US is a safe starting point.

[cold geyser]

"babe come over the wishing wharf is coming"

[sick cargo]

i think moskva is my ship

[hexed escarp]

"Babe come over, Yari is here"

[old widget]

Okay thx i have my first III in japan, i will prob swith to usa ten before i research the IV in japan

[hidden bay]

I recommend playing all the classes to about Tier 6 before you decide which T10s to go for

[honest silo]

Yeah I agree.

[harsh prairie]

bruh what is that hit rate

i thought moskva was accurate

😦

[hidden bay]

She is

40% hit rate over 73 battles is good

[ivory egret]

well i guess if people cry about stuff enough, WG will bend the knee to them

[edgy marten]

wait till Crux finds out about IRL hit rates for naval warfare 😔

[honest silo]

This was while I was at Farragut.

[hidden bay]

2% for WW2 Battleships.

And that includes the roughly 100 or so hits scored by KGV and Rodney on Bismarck at her end.

[trail salmon]

what about for japanese torpedo croozers

[harsh prairie]

is the irl hit rates in the room with us right now?

thank goodness wows is not a simulator

😬

[hidden bay]

I've not done the maths myself but I suspect its also about the same.

[harsh prairie]

imagine 2% chance to hit your shells

[untold thistle]

and people "enjoy" WT naval

[vestal oyster]

yeah like the USS Massachusetts fired thousands of shells for the last shore bombardment of WW2

[untold thistle]

somehow

[hidden bay]

The most successful torpedo volley by the IJN scored 5 hits for 6 torps fired.

[vestal oyster]

it doesn't surprise me that there is only a 2% hit rate

[hidden bay]

Problem was those 5 hits were on Japanese Army Transports

[scenic osprey]

I cant handle it when Bismarck is called "her"

Its a male 🦾

[honest silo]

Ouch.

Bismarck is a her tbh.

[hidden bay]

Eh given IJN v IJA rivalry the IJN would normally have been pleased.

Was Mogami btw

In the Java Sea

Fired her torpedoes at a Allied Force, they missed and hit the IJA's transports on the side of the straights

[honest silo]

How the IJN could do that? I honestly wonder.

[steel pier]

SS Imperator is he

bismarck not so

[hexed escarp]

It was deliberate

[tawdry turret]

I'm EU newbie too if u wan we can div

[scenic osprey]

Navy/army rivalry hits a whole new level

[hidden bay]

Once Mr Long Lance leaves the tube he is no ones friend/

[honest silo]

We are talking about the Battleship, not Ocean Liner.

[sick cargo]

wdym 40% is kinda good

[honest silo]

I see.

Hey celerio.

[sick cargo]

hi anndrea

my nn key is slightly broke

[hidden bay]

We can see

[honest silo]

It's fine don't worry.

[harsh prairie]

its 39%

[scenic osprey]

Would Ohio have stability issues irl?

[harsh prairie]

[hidden bay]

Unlikely

[steel pier]

SS Imperator was named he officially. bismarck no

[trail salmon]

similar to the brandon g key incident

[eager pumice]

honestly everyone saw this coming for 1v1 t9 brawls

[hidden bay]

A modern 1930s/40s USN 18'' gun would have benefitted from the same weight saving that the 16''/50 Mk 7 had

[eager pumice]

but free coal is free coal I guess

[honest silo]

Ok, but what is the relation if we where talking only of the Battleship Bismarck?

[untold talon]

the mk7s were only built because someone screwed up the barbettes on the Iowas tbf

[honest silo]

True.

[scenic osprey]

But recoil?

[honest silo]

Hey WandererJester.

[hidden bay]

The US had determined in the 1930s for the weight of 9 16'' guns you could could only carry 5 or 6 18''s
So swapping 12x16''s for 8x18'' is perfectly reasonable

[steel pier]

to tell you, she wasnt addressed to as he, but the german Oceanliner was.

till this day, being the only officially known case for a ship

[opaque latch]

https://youtu.be/H3VBpmkGp9w I think moba like ban system?

[hidden bay]

Shouldn't have been an issue, the US had experience with 18'' guns.

And had worked up several designs

[harsh prairie]

sorry i dont watch slowadult

[honest silo]

Alright, understood.

[hidden bay]

I should prepare Bismarck Bingo for next update

[harsh prairie]

there is that too, the lootbox ban helped me stop playing wot because wot dont have direct purchase, so why keep playing since WG powercrept my account

[opaque latch]

Understandable, I only watch him as background noise

[hidden bay]

@magic arrow You can play it on the Update Stream.

[scenic osprey]

what is that

[steel pier]

what type of bingo

[magic arrow]

Even though Japan had the most famous example of putting them into practice, a lot of the major navies of the time had projects experimenting with 18" guns

[harsh prairie]

wishing warf i think

[trail salmon]

gizmoooooooooo

[scenic osprey]

Like us and briish?

And that's all

[magic arrow]

Between that and Ship-pardy, we'll have to have a full mini game stream

[neon oracle]

Oy, its the brit!

[magic arrow]

Tis I

[hidden bay]

Japan
UK
US
France
Soviets

[trail salmon]

when

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

[scenic osprey]

I never heard about 457 mm guns of soviets and french

[neon oracle]

||Aussi Aussi Aussi||

[honest silo]

Hey Gizmo.

[honest silo]

Hey Sir_Snarf.

[hidden bay]

France had a 450mm in the 1920s.
The Soviets considered a 458mm for the Project 24's (Kremlin) to counter the Iowas

[neon oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/waving-joy-lizard-hi-there-well-hello-there-gif-15622233555234689915

[scenic osprey]

What a red invasion

[trail salmon]

snorf

[honest silo]

But yeah tbh guys.

[spring flare]

AUGH

[magic arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-chat-chat-gif-11854988458409488653

[spring flare]

Sneefle snorf

[honest silo]

I can't wait to have HMS Vanguard in my port in game.

[neon oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-laugh-command-%26-conquer-red-alert-2-yuri's-revenge-gif-18118996436263313167

[honest silo]

https://tenor.com/view/hms-vanguard-gif-5923256317878304417

[harsh prairie]

well,its where she will stay for most of her life in game

in port

[scenic osprey]

Just considered? No experiments

[spring flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1479526101905838260/1492222538456109228/sonyon-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[steel pier]

Vanguard in Ops, absolute peak

[hidden bay]

Stalin died before the gun was started.

[harsh prairie]

99% of ships are "peak" in ops

[steel pier]

Valpappe ban from ops

[hidden bay]

Essentially the Soviets got the specs of the Iowas wrong. They thought the armour protection given, was just the base thickness of the steel and not taking into account the angle of the armour too.

[honest silo]

I would maybe use her sometime as I have Valparaiso.

[hidden bay]

So they thought the Iowa's had like 17'' of belt armour

[harsh prairie]

valparaiso is vanguard if it was actually good

[hidden bay]

They had 12.2''

[honest silo]

True.

[magic arrow]

Chonky Iowa in game when?

[honest silo]

But I wat the Royal Navy one also tbh Cruxdei.

[barren vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/tornado-ai-monkey-gif-12037021806212571660

[steel pier]

Valpappe is Vanguard rip-off, Valpappe is just jealous of the history fame of Vanguard

[hidden bay]

They also thought the Iowas were 35kt ships. Which I guess given New Jersey reached that speed wasn't entirely wrong. Granted she did it fresh of out of refit and running lighter than she did in the war.

[honest silo]

I hope it's USS Kentucky BB-66 tbh Gizmo.

[spring flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464758518837022865/1487220900662087800/GIF-260327_224257.gif

[harsh prairie]

history fame?

[hidden bay]

Vanguard was the last after all

[steel pier]

last battleship ever to be commissioned

[hidden bay]

Not quite

Last built

[barren vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cruise-ship-out-of-control-in-the-gif-12989657

[harsh prairie]

the last to turn off the lights?

[hidden bay]

Not Last Comissioned

That was Jean Bart

[steel pier]

Yamato has histo fame for being the biggest built BB, in terms of tonnage and main caliber guns

[harsh prairie]

yamato is more well know for being a hotel

[scenic osprey]

Montana is given already

[honest silo]

True.

[hidden bay]

She did have nice accomdation as IJN ships went

[magic arrow]

In terms of armor

[sick cargo]

what is sete de setembro

[hidden bay]

Though apparently Nagato had the best food.

[honest silo]

But yeah UK proposed to Chile to sell HMS Vanguard.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1958-60v05/d28

[magic arrow]

Minnesota with railguns and combat instructions

[hidden bay]

Transfered Minnesota to Brazil carrying experimental US Main guns

[scenic osprey]

Kremlin?

[honest silo]

By looking here.

[livid bridge]

How many 467 guns were considered

[sick cargo]

oh railguns

[harsh prairie]

notice how every ship sent to pan america get better. /s

[sick cargo]

thats why it hurt so much

[steel pier]

us Hotel, the one BB, which spent most its time in atlantic, where it also did mostly nothing

[harsh prairie]

minnesota,vanguard, whats left? independencia?

[hidden bay]

Independencia is a carrier

[harsh prairie]

yeah,a british CV i think

[hidden bay]

Formerly HMS / HMCS Warrior

Colossus Class

[harsh prairie]

meanwhile WG still refuse to release minas geraes

[steel pier]

rather notice: how every ship made a pan am clone is just for lazy ppl

[honest silo]

Wait, of what class is Independencia?

[hidden bay]

Pan-America is getting a whole line of DDs as we announced in the Roadmap

[spring flare]

Ships made by pan am so good

[hidden bay]

Colossus Class

[spring flare]

The worlds nations copied them

[hidden bay]

Light Fleet Carrier

[spring flare]

And made them worse

[magic arrow]

Many ship transfers to Pan-am in game reflect modernizations that the base ship did not have

[honest silo]

With F4U Corsair?

[sick cargo]

wait is this legitimately a bot

[honest silo]

I see and thanks Killerbin.

[untold thistle]

how low are izumo standards what

[hidden bay]

She did operate them, F4U-5s iirc

[livid bridge]

Independencia is worse, and Wooster derrivatives in the San Martin line are worse than Wooster

[livid bridge]

[honest silo]

Oh, nice.

[honest silo]

Nice.

[livid bridge]

Bin how long did they take them to notice they torped their own transports btw

On the Mogami

Or is it like post war analysis

[scenic osprey]

What would these dds like?

[harsh prairie]

can we get sao paulo as pan america super ship?

[hidden bay]

It took some time, until all the ships were back and logs and such could be reviewed.

[scenic osprey]

La pampas?

[hidden bay]

Well we announced the T10

It's a historical ship too

Class of 2

[harsh prairie]

what is the t10?

i forgot the name

[trail salmon]

yari

[scenic osprey]

Yari

[frosty cedar]

[untold thistle]

thank you game, after I already finished doing the izumo commander manual retrain

[honest silo]

Just curious guys.

Is HMS Warspite worth to get?

[sick cargo]

just have 1.5m ecxp banked for no reason

[hidden bay]

One of the Colombian modified Hallands

[hidden bay]

I am biased but 100%

[vestal oyster]

i have only ever heard biased praise for the ship

[rose lodge]

yes still very good

[vestal oyster]

so clearly yes

[untold thistle]

do you even need to retrain your commanders?

[honest silo]

I see and thanks Killerbin, Sobrukai and WarshipsTerminator.

And hey WarshipTerminators.

[rose lodge]

hey

[untold thistle]

or do you have separate commanders for the ships you use

[digital locust]

We want t10 HMS Kronprinz Andreas Battenberg @hidden bay

[steel pier]

1000%

[frosty cedar]

when did those things got announced btw, i forgot already xD

[sick cargo]

i havent swapped any 21pt commanders in a while so not really

[digital locust]

Roadmap

[vestal oyster]

announced during the 2026 roadmap

[untold thistle]

so you do have maxed out commanders

[hushed solar]

How does he have more points than me?

[untold thistle]

they won

[vestal oyster]

captured points?

[sick cargo]

an american, italian and german yes

[hushed solar]

Winning gives you additional points?

[untold thistle]

pretty much

[rose lodge]

yes

[sick cargo]

the soviet man is also soon to be 21pt

[digital locust]

We only know a few names, EU CA t4 Dragon, t6 Tre Kronor, panam DD t3 Villar, t6 Serrano and t10 20th of July

[untold thistle]

though, if you're good enough, you can outscore the highest scoring enemy even at a loss

[sick cargo]

20th of july as a ship name is interesting

[untold thistle]

only if you're very good

anyways, back to banging my head on the wall known as colorado

[digital locust]

We already have 9th of July

[sick cargo]

colorado is a gamer boat

[digital locust]

And 7th of September

[untold thistle]

I'm only really doing this so I can get kansas

which I missed using

despite being awful

[hidden bay]

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/general-news/roadmap-2026/

[sick cargo]

my condolences

you will appreciate colorado more after getting kansas

[untold thistle]

all this for just brick gaming

[untold thistle]

I actually don't

I like kansas more

when I played in asia

[honest silo]

I'm also grinding for Vermont.

[steel pier]

imagine Minnesota and Verbrick

[brittle cliff]

world of warship is tiring

[honest silo]

Oh, yes I'm still far away from HMS King George V.

[frosty cedar]

got already answerd but thx, i just wondered about the 3d modle, also that looks very sussy like a dalarna

[steel pier]

after playing Minnebrick, i really appreciate my other BBs more now

[hidden bay]

Well Dalarana is based on an enlarged Halland Class in concept.

[livid bridge]

Dalarna is much fatter

[hidden bay]

While the Swedish Hallands mounted a twin 57mm AA turret in B position, the Colombians mounted an additional twin 120mm Bofors

[frosty cedar]

eyo no fat shaming dalarna here

[brittle cliff]

im ngl im too tired to do dailies in wows

[livid bridge]

That just meant she has nicer curves

[frosty cedar]

the columbians understood: AA does nuthin

[honest silo]

I think I should play HMS Queen Elizabeth and get HMS King George V.

[tawdry turret]

just get like 2 boxes and leave idk

[steel pier]

Dalarna shaming? count me in on it

[rose lodge]

I love dalarna best DD against CV

[steel pier]

i love my shima

nothing is as calming as wall torping bots

[livid bridge]

Dalarna good unit

[honest silo]

I'm happy with my Laffey.

Tbh.

[frosty cedar]

we saw it with smaland give those DDs decent guns and they are viable so i am actually looking forward to it

[honest silo]

I see.

And nice.

[steel pier]

now go get that CL Attilio Regolo

[honest silo]

I'm stilli grinding to USS Gearing DD-710.

[untold thistle]

NO, I FORGOT TO PUT ON THE XP BONUS ON COLORADO

[steel pier]

reserve fleet, no captn assigned

there is the beauty, the CL

i really need to play her again some time

[honest silo]

One question guys.

Only some premium American ship use Measure 22 and Measure 21 right?

[tiny radish]

a rarity for T10s tbh

always good to see a real ship at high tier

[steel pier]

how abt, you tell me, if you think Attilio Regolo's camo is accurate

based on black/white photos we got

[hidden bay]

Where can place them we try.

[livid bridge]

They have good guns from t7 up already that are preety viable

[honest silo]

Hmm, I will try, but I'm not dure.

[tiny radish]

aussie essex in a CW CV line here we go

probably one of the last remaining "all-historical" lines

[hidden bay]

I mean alt USN and RN DDs can be all
Alt British CVs
CMW DD and CVs
All the Sub branches

I mean Pan-Am CVs too

Dutch DDs maybe?

[honest silo]

That's interessing tbh.

[steel pier]

give me what-if DD line for Nam

[radiant olive]

and don't forget supersubs

[tiny radish]

alt brit CVs is something i never thought of tbh

what would even go there

[digital locust]

Can I have my t11 USS Nautilus? So I can finally nuke Moskva

[hidden bay]

Light Fleets

Colossus - Majestic - Centaur

[untold thistle]

alt UK CVs over alt IJN CVs...

[undone mesa]

make a tech tree line of benhams NOW

[untold thistle]

i want akagi

[hidden bay]

Akagi is coming

[tiny radish]

^

[hidden bay]

A USN Torp DD line is certainly something we can do

[steel pier]

tech line, us dd hulls, but with soviet guns, like 130mm guns for Nam

[ancient monolith]

ok finally I tried long range mod sibir, much better in this narnia meta

I was tired of running after people

dipersion is not so bad at 21km

[steel pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463427839729733674/1494721233135337482/babymetal-headbang-ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[untold thistle]

@livid shadow

[hidden bay]

There's plenty of historical ships left to do. Either in TT or as Premiums

[digital locust]

A full fantasy nation is coming at some point

[steel pier]

would you consider this bin? i mean, we got the Pan Am BBs at this point

[ancient monolith]

colombo will be my true brawler lol

[hidden bay]

Indeed France is a fictional place

[digital locust]

Still better than B*itain

[ancient monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/normandie-mont-saint-michel-gif-11700256

[tardy tree]

[digital locust]

The main difference between B*itain and Brittany is that people in Brittany have teeth

[hidden bay]

Look just be glad I haven't recommended the Battle-Sub

[shell temple]

[jolly shard]

HMS M1?

[hidden bay]

Oh no

[digital locust]

Got any more them pixels?

[hidden bay]

Here you go

13,500ts
4x2 203mm
8x533 Torpedo Tubes
Upwards of 152mm of armour
And a spotting aircraft.

[steel pier]

bin

[ancient monolith]

yamato with 30.9km range default in my match, mwahaha

[digital locust]

Just name it HMS Kronprinz Andreas Battenberg and I'm all in

[jolly shard]

sure

[untold talon]

The Brit’s were mad enough to actually build them 😄

[hidden bay]

HMS X-1 is a far more likely addition at some point.

Rather than the Ms

[digital locust]

Or if the name isn't too long HMS Kronprinz Andreas Battenberg-Saxe-Koburg-Gotha

[tiny radish]

ok thats pretty nuts for a cruiser sub lmao

you could also make a battle-CV line

[magic arrow]

The americans have that

[digital locust]

Fishers 2x508mm submarine battlecruiser

[livid shadow]

what? why are you randomly pinging me?

[digital locust]

He has no minimap

Obviously

[untold thistle]

i still dont know what to do in meck

[digital locust]

Just play it like Scharnhorst

[livid shadow]

play the game?

[untold thistle]

so I'm sorry if i made you lose

[tiny radish]

Thank God for spring styles

[hollow chasm]

confirmed

thank you

[livid shadow]

THERE WAS A FUCKING BLUCHER TURNING FLAT BEHIND A ROCK

[tiny radish]

theres the 3x3 8 inch CV

[honest silo]

@steel pier I found this one looking on Wikipedia, but if is the right camouflage with the right colors no idea and it's of 23rd January 1945.

[hidden bay]

Indeed

[untold thistle]

i moved too much

[jolly shard]

North Carolina Scheme F design

surely

[steel pier]

sir bin, have you missed my initial question by chance,

[hidden bay]

I must have

[jolly shard]

american ise

[steel pier]

well, in my opinion, the Light Green in the wows (and WT too) camo wasnt there

[untold thistle]

i was already planning on shooting the guy

but, utrecht was there

and I wanted to kill him first

[honest silo]

Maybe it was there, no idea.

[untold thistle]

since he was much closer too

[void relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895722319438290964/1276175405908234290/your_actions.gif

[steel pier]

new What-If DDs, for Viet, american hulls, soviet armament, would be possible to have them refitted after a what if capture. and then for their navy. after all, we got the What-Ifs of most Pan Am BBs tt and prem already

[shell temple]

what a stupid cat

deserved to die

[hidden bay]

Vietnam would be far more likely to just get straight Soviet Warships.

[honest silo]

America would never sell to Communist nation their ships tbh.

[hidden bay]

The US wouldn't have supplied South Vietnam with major warships.

[honest silo]

Taiwan yes, but Vietnam no.

[honest silo]

True.

[steel pier]

well light green would be visible on the photo as slightly darker then white, so my assumption is, she only had black stripes on white, if we go for this photo. but i am not a professional colourisation expert. only colourising thoose old photos would tell us.

[hidden bay]

So a Vietnamese Project 30 (Ognevoi) Isn't an insane idea

[tiny radish]

it was TW and korea that got the most advanced ones?

[hidden bay]

Yes

[steel pier]

DDs arent "major" warships, especially not the older models

[hidden bay]

Japan too while their own industry rebuilt.

[honest silo]

Well in 1945 photo where still black and white and it's very hard to guess.

[honest silo]

Yep, correct.

[hidden bay]

For a brand new nation like South vietnam, DDs are absolutely major warships.

[tiny radish]

did any of the japan, korea, TW navies consider/were offered any US cruisers?

[steel pier]

they would have sent them to South Viet and North would have captured them

[tiny radish]

bro a destroyer is a destroyer

[steel pier]

just like USS Forster

[tiny radish]

when your neighbors all pack only destroyers its absolutely a major warship

[hidden bay]

Some considerations for Japan iirc, but with US Naval Forces deployed in the region there was felt no need.

[tiny radish]

oh! which cruiser is this

[digital locust]

I mean, if Switzerland was capable to win America's Cup, then surely we're capable of building a fleet of capital ships

[tiny radish]

one of the many baltis/cleves?

[honest silo]

Nah, it would have never happened.

[digital locust]

Think big

[ancient monolith]

long range sibir is definitely much better

[digital locust]

Think outside the box

[ancient monolith]

I should have changed long ago

[hidden bay]

As far as I know, it never got as far as any specific ships. More a consideration partially caused by concern following the Korean War and the need to re-arm Japan, however it was felt it would be too big of a leap.

[steel pier]

they sent USS Forster, a former DE to South and the north got it evntually

[honest silo]

And USA would have probably decide to sink them instead of giving them to a communist vietnam.

[steel pier]

and older models, who survived the war could have been given away too, just like merica sold their shermans for an apple to anyone

[honest silo]

Impossible USA would have sunk their ship at all cost instead of giving them to South Vietnam.

[hidden bay]

A DE is a level of magnitude below a true Destroyer

[steel pier]

south vietname was their ally

ofc they supplied them

[lusty lagoon]

vietnamese ship teaser!?

[steel pier]

south vietnam wasnt communist

[honest silo]

In that case yes, but to North Vietnam no.

[steel pier]

and north could well captured thoose

[tiny radish]

like, the indonesian navy (after the soviet ship transfers) was seen as a huge threat

[hidden bay]

I'm afraid not merely the topic of discussion at the moment.

[honest silo]

Yeah I confused myself.

[tiny radish]

a few ognevois and an entire sverdlov

[hidden bay]

Yes, thats why the RAN considered getting an Essex.

[lusty lagoon]

sad

[honest silo]

Hey stratmania.

[tiny radish]

you mean RAN?

[hidden bay]

After the more berligerent Indonesia leader fell, the idea died.

[steel pier]

maybe think beyond the american sphere, no front, but ye

[hidden bay]

Not to mention the Soviets had a habit of providing warships to nations that had no business trying to maintain them.

Irian was out of operation pretty quick

[honest silo]

True.

[tawdry turret]

[steel pier]

but not for the US, after WW1, they sold their "Flush Deckers" off to the UK, after WW2, they sold away so many Shermans for an apple. so to help "prevent" commie spread, to supply south vietnam, is not so off-setting

[honest silo]

Hey _Korwijk.

[tawdry turret]

andwea

[trail salmon]

papa

[honest silo]

Anyway.

[untold thistle]

should I be concerned about a triple gk div

[weak bane]

i saw a YT about match making, short, it was not so bad. well i think total different. MM sucks real real hard, just an example

[steel pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463427839729733674/1489419853906448484/animals-dance-ezgif.com-added-text_1.gif

[maiden totem]

And I am me.

[tawdry turret]

all the southerns' ship are formerly USS

[honest silo]

Outside of Laffey this one would be amazing to have also.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Blue_(DD-744)

[tawdry turret]

correct me if im wrong

[hidden bay]

The Flush-Deckers were not sold, they were traded.
The MAP ''Military Assistance Program'' in terms of warships was really only for nations that could operate them.

Germany, Japan, Italy, etc

Nations that already had a Naval tradition and infrastructure

[steel pier]

but you get my idea. and seeing, how us did their "utmost" in anti commie, giving some of the older DDs (still good enough) to S Viet, sounds not off charts

and eventually, one or two would have been captured then

[hidden bay]

I see what you're trying, but I don't see us doing it.

[void relic]

ive seen team with the better statted people lose many times so im meh about it

[steel pier]

[hidden bay]

But we've already got a Western ship, captured and rearmed by the East.

[trail salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463427839729733674/1489431188262223892/black-cat-void-cat-ezgif.com-added-text.gif

[honest silo]

As if not wrong Italy got some Fletcher-Class?

[steel pier]

now im waiting

[hidden bay]

Huang He

[hidden bay]

They did

[warm raft]

You should threaten to resign if they suggest a British Essex class

[jolly shard]

yeah coz the main problem is that there would be too much what-ifs for that line

[severe plank]

Potential Italian Fletcher with exhaust smoke and radar

[jolly shard]

Like how Libertad line was

[cold geyser]

without getting too political, God damn the treatment of former axis powers was fucking lopsided wasn't it

[honest silo]

I think they where 2 if I'm not wrong?

[cold geyser]

absolutely atrocious

[vestal oyster]

more modern destroyers are definitely major warships, and while destroyers in-game are tiny compared to cruisers and battleships, modern destroyers are only slightly smaller than Des-Moines class heavy cruisers

[jolly shard]

coz thats what the old axis power deserves

espically Japan and Germany

[steel pier]

uhm, HMS Aurora was given to the Republic of China Navy, its crew did a mutiny and went communist, not really a traditional capture. since it was already over there

[hidden bay]

After people thought the end of WW1 caused WW2, efforts to not repeat that were commendable.

[hidden bay]

The ship was taken by th Communists.

The method of the capture is less important.

[cold geyser]

basically forgetting Italy's role in the war is... a choice

[steel pier]

we arent talking abt anything modern, geezus christ. and dont come me with Zumwalt. i talk abt wows here

[hidden bay]

They swapped sides and fought on the Allied side.

It bought them some concessions

[honest silo]

Yep.

[steel pier]

but it was no longer british alr by this time, it was chinese

[vestal oyster]

and even then... destroyers for small countries not able to support cruisers and battleshisp are the major naval forces at the time

[cold geyser]

it's very important that we understand what we are talking about here

[honest silo]

Like they did in WW1 as Italy swapped side there also.

[vestal oyster]

the other option is a brown water navy of PT boats and smaller ships

[hidden bay]

True, but given China was two states at that point its the same as South and North vietnam

[cold geyser]

Sicily and a bunch of civilians is not "Italy"

[hollow mountain]

which ones? Arleigh Burkes are like half the weight of a Des Moines and the upcoming Type 26s are 40%

[ancient monolith]

someone said the cutoff for BBs on homing torps is 2.1 km, that's not true

[ember ruin]

Punishing a whole country for the actions of its military and civic leadership is an inherently lopsided thing to do

[ancient monolith]

I just got homed withing 2km but a sub

[deep swan]

Italy also deposed its own dictator prior to the end of the war

[hollow mountain]

way larger than ww2 ones though for sure

[hidden bay]

No I'm referring to the Italian Army Units that fought with the British 8th Army

[ancient monolith]

and the torps were still homing

is it a bug?

the cutoff thing is a joke

[hollow mountain]

if you had 2 pings on you the distance shrinks

[void relic]

pings reduce the cutoff distance

2 pings

[vestal oyster]

Zumwalt is shorter than a Des-Moines, but the displacement (i have access to anyway) is only ~1600 tons less

[void relic]

also was it an alliance that pinged you

[ancient monolith]

yeah, so stupid mechanic

[radiant olive]

what did i say earlier

[vestal oyster]

they are 90 feet shorter

[steel pier]

a mutiny still is not really a "capture" as it comes from within the own crew.

[ancient monolith]

it's just stupid

[void relic]

you moved the goal post from bug to bad mechanic

gg

[radiant olive]

https://discordapp.com/channels/669128285527080961/1463427839729733674/1503301137259036782

[vestal oyster]

and it has a deeper draft

[severe plank]

The submarine situation is hilarious

[hidden bay]

If they find it in port or have it taken to them, it doesn't really matter.

[river dune]

goal post? are we playing soccer?

[void relic]

yes

make me goalie

trust

[hidden bay]

Its called Football

[severe plank]

You mean football?

[bronze flame]

My beloved has returned to me

[void relic]

i only play oddball

[hidden bay]

Not your nonsensical American Hand-Egg

[vestal oyster]

not only that, zumwalt class destroyers have a wider beam due to their deeper draft

they're basically cruisers in all but name

[ember ruin]

soccer is short for association football, and you brits are the ones that gave it that name

you just gave up on it when Americans made it sound uncool

[void relic]

soc

sock my son!?

[hidden bay]

And we were right to do so

[ember ruin]

it's your fault we call it this

[hollow mountain]

yeah I'd argue they're misclassified too but fair enough lol

[hidden bay]

Its our fault you do alot of things.

[untold thistle]

and the triple gk div is unsurprisingly not that hard to beat

[radiant olive]

'neways, @ancient monolith watch that vid and be educated

[severe plank]

This Mahan is looking for me in a CV but he didn’t turn off his AA

Well guess this is a learning experience

[honest silo]

Just curious Killerbin.

[steel pier]

lets agree to disagree. but back to my original question: a what if line of captured outdated us DDs is unlikely, but almost brand new soviet ones? or would we also then use soviet DDs, which are old, like AnShan, FuShun etc.?

[honest silo]

Whats is your opinion of both the Allen M. Sumner-Class Destroyer and USS Laffey?

[hidden bay]

Older vessels, using Indonesia as reference latest would be Skory Class

[hidden bay]

Good design, fun ship

[honest silo]

Yeah I agree, they very similar at the Gearing-Class also.

[vestal oyster]

i think that the Sumner class would be an interesting historical premium ship

[light harbor]

Considering the Gearings were a development of the Sumners, that's not surprising

[vestal oyster]

they were the stepping stone between the Fletcher and the Gearing

[light harbor]

Laffey, YY

[vestal oyster]

wait i literally fought a laffey earlier today how did i forget about it

[honest silo]

True.

[ember ruin]

kinda hard to tell American DD hullforms apart when you're aiming down sights trying to smack them from 12km

[hidden bay]

The Gearing is a direct development of the Sumners

Larger overall mainly to carry more fuel

[vestal oyster]

definitely hoping that i can get my hands on the Laffey at some point it looks like a DD i would like

[honest silo]

Oh, ok I see.

[steel pier]

so how abt thoose then?

[honest silo]

Laffey is an amazing ship as I have her and enjoyer her a lot.

[steel pier]

but we would need at least from VI-X

[light harbor]

Dockyard ship

Good luck

[hidden bay]

I mean a post war unified Communist Vietnam,yes I can absolutely see them getting a DD like that.

[light harbor]

They might rerun her though

She's relatively balanced as new destroyer releases go

[vestal oyster]

i know, the roadmap mentioned they would be looking into re-running older dockyards

[hidden bay]

You can also play Yueyang.

Which is a Sumner Class

[honest silo]

Yeah, I think so.

[vestal oyster]

i don't know what all the recent dockyards have been because i just started playing in December after a long hiatus

[steel pier]

but from VI-X, maybe we need more then only Skorny, or am i wrong?

[honest silo]

Ops sorry I forget to remove the ping average_atlanta_enjoyer.

My bad.

[hidden bay]

Oh no chance of a full TT, they'd get one ship in a line or a Premium

[steel pier]

isnt this china?

[light harbor]

YY is a Sumner that was sold, yes

[steel pier]

then a VII prem sounds good

[hidden bay]

Yes, but several USN DDs were provided to the ROC

Gleaves, Sumners, Gearings etc

[light harbor]

Plenty of Fletchers, Sumners and Gearings were sold to other nations

[ember ruin]

since I resumed playing, we've had Wisconsin, Almirante Oquendo, Niord, Blücher, Laffey, Lüshun B, Roussillon, and now ZH-1

(I might've missed one)

[honest silo]

Yep.

[hidden bay]

Chung Mu, Hseinyang, Lo yang and Yueyang are all real ships

[vestal oyster]

i did play during Roussillon and was like four phases from getting the ship but just didn't get it

[honest silo]

Hey HowthCastleAndEnvirons.

[vestal oyster]

i shoulda just finished it

[topaz coyote]

Lüshun

[honest silo]

Velos and another on if I remember correctly?

[ember ruin]

World of Fletchers

[steel pier]

well. but roc isnt viet. i want a viet ship specifically. since i miss one of this in my collection. we even got a turkyfied brit now.

[light harbor]

We need all 175 Fletchers in game

Trust

[vestal oyster]

true

every port a fletcher

[severe plank]

Italian Fletcher with exhaust smoke and radar please

[hidden bay]

They certainly got around

[topaz coyote]

We need a ZUSA-1

[honest silo]

If we count the 9 Cancelled also.

[ember ruin]

Spanish Fletcher

lmao

[honest silo]

We are missing 177 Fletcher-Class tbh guys.

[severe plank]

Pan Am Fletcher with Valparaiso gimmick

[topaz coyote]

Secondary DDs

[ember ruin]

when are we going to add USS We Built This Yesterday

[topaz coyote]

[honest silo]

As in total they would have been 184 Fletcher-Class.

[vestal oyster]

Italian Fletcher with exhaust smoke, radar, long-range deep-water torpedoes, Dutch airstrikes, and strong gunnery

[steel pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/no-bugs-bunny-fXnRObM8Q0RkOmR5nf

[vestal oyster]

and access to SAP

[honest silo]

Hey Gl4ss_Heart.

[digital locust]

Clemson is in the game since beta or even alpha

[topaz coyote]

Helo

[steel pier]

italians dont need dw torps

[ancient monolith]

give valpa superheal to preussen

[vestal oyster]

ah but they do need dutch airstrikes?

[honest silo]

Still regarding the Fletcher-Class.

You guys suggest to save coal for USS Black DD-666?

Or no?

[topaz coyote]

Overpriced

[ember ruin]

Fletcher with no torps, but german 6km hydro

[severe plank]

Just get katsonis

[topaz coyote]

🗿

[ancient monolith]

are cruisers getting heals from this thursday?

[light harbor]

Unironically, Neustra might be more interesting these days

[ember ruin]

Fletcher with San Diego defensive AA consumable

[honest silo]

So no?

[light harbor]

Superheals on destroyers are still relatively rare

[void relic]

pampa lost her superheal privileges

[hidden imp]

Emilio with valp heal

[steel pier]

give Valpappe the heal of Sewastopol and vice versa. then Sewastopol gets its deserved buff and valpa a real nerff

[severe plank]

What if pan am Fletcher with a funny button that massively fucks up the dispersion of people trying to shoot at it

[steel pier]

nope

[void relic]

valparaiso with sevastopol heal

[honest silo]

If not wrong Pan America is getting a Fletcher-Class?

In the Tech Tree.

[light harbor]

There's this neat skill called Dazzle

[steel pier]

sounds doable

[void relic]

the main issue with ssevastopol heal is the cd, which valparaiso doesnt care about with CI

[severe plank]

Yes it works like dazzle

[hidden imp]

Yamato that causes the game to crash when you hit aa button…oh wait

[severe plank]

But as a funny button

[void relic]

but it would be easier to melt...

[steel pier]

we make cooldown then

[topaz coyote]

We know they are getting Hallands

[ember ruin]

stacking dazzle with that feature would be very funny

[deep swan]

it would be easier to burst down a Val if the heal took 5 years to finish

[void relic]

it would

[warm raft]

It only kicks the cv player

[hidden bay]

We've only shared some of that line and none of them were Fletcher's

[deep swan]

they're actually all just disguised Fletchers

[severe plank]

They’re all fletchers wearing a paper mask

[ember ruin]

can we get some Dutch tech tree DDs so I can commit Tromp-like war crimes at tier VII

[topaz coyote]

[honest silo]

Yeah I saw it.

[severe plank]

Dutch DDs with AP airstrike

Make it happen

[hidden imp]

Yodo with qaud harugumo turrets

[ember ruin]

AP airstrikes would be amazing

[topaz coyote]

50k drop on a guy that dared to play anything with a cit

[light harbor]

No

You bully Minotaurs in Tromp enough already

[severe plank]

Even more ways to nuke Minotaur

[hidden bay]

I'm sure we'll get around to Dutch DDs

Given they actually had Floatplanes

[ember ruin]

I don't want to bully Minotaurs; I want to bully Nagatos

[untold thistle]

Cit-ing cruisers

[topaz coyote]

I got Tromp and played it a bit

[severe plank]

This guy gets it

[topaz coyote]

H-tier destroyer

[hidden imp]

Bring back destroyer cits

[magic arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-skeletor-gif-13395223

[topaz coyote]

🗿

[severe plank]

AP airstrike that can cit BBs

[untold thistle]

Do doch nicht be like

[hidden imp]

[ember ruin]

give me an AP airstrike that's allergic to hitting cruisers but will smack a BB like a newborn's biscuit

[untold thistle]

Overpen cruisers but citadel BBs

[severe plank]

Total incomparable death

[topaz coyote]

Tuff

Deserved

[honest silo]

German Fletcher-Class.

[hidden bay]

Yup they got 6

Confusingly called Z-1 through 6

[steel pier]

i prefer the lütjens

[severe plank]

German Fletcher with hydro

Ngl that would still be boring

[honest silo]

Yep.

[hidden bay]

Well given the German Fletchers had a gun removed, you're essentially asking for German Lo Yang

[steel pier]

not confusing. the first 6 dds of the "new" navy, makes sense in this context

[ember ruin]

what about German fletcher with hydro and Elbing AP performance, but no HE

[severe plank]

I forgot Loyang was a thing

Very bad memory

[drifting marlin]

t10 loyang with hannover's hydro

[hidden bay]

Alright Satan

[untold thistle]

Does well against cruisers but not DDs

[honest silo]

Hey zuiKatsu.

[drifting marlin]

hi

[magic arrow]

I want a DD with no armament but with 12km radar and 7km hyrdo

[hidden bay]

Sure but I'll make it as Super-Daring

[ember ruin]

so one of those recon towers from ops, but mobile

[magic arrow]

You get it

[honest silo]

Just curious guys.

[drifting marlin]

first dd with sub surveillance?

[grim portal]

Daring with 3 Druid turrets

[honest silo]

Does USS Black have another permanent camouflage or no?

[grim portal]

T11

[hidden bay]

Should be British, given we invented modern sonar

[severe plank]

What about a DD with the US sub gimmick that gives it even better rudder shift time

[hidden bay]

Oh no, we've got actual plans for Daring follow ons

Such as 8 Gun ships

[ember ruin]

DD with sub surveillance and depth charge airstrikes

and an engine boost

[grim portal]

Why do real when fake is more fun

Silly killerbin

[honest silo]

Hey TheSpreadsheet.

[grim portal]

Hey andrea

[hidden bay]

Because I am in the position now to do the history.

[ember ruin]

sillybin

[hidden bay]

You will all learn about H3c and be happy!

[grim portal]

Who

[hidden bay]

Exactly

[steel pier]

abt what

a design

a project

[hidden bay]

British Battlecruiser from the same time as Duncan and St V

Duncan's hull but 2 of St V's 457mm turrets

[severe plank]

So we’re getting another Duncan clone

[ember ruin]

get dunc'd on

[hidden bay]

No, but thats the best way to describe the H3 series

[deep swan]

no historical ships
we clearly need more ship descriptions that read like this
In the hypothetical event that a theoretical prototype of a potential idea of a proposed design of a possible configuration of a considered plan of an unfinished draft of a plausible blueprint of a surmised concept of a feasible notion of a likely project of an alternative layout made possible by a submitted scheme further influenced by a previous ship line becoming a variant of a preceding class built from experience in a conceivable conflict with another nation.

[livid pendant]

Hey friend any news on the upcoming devblog?

[hidden bay]

And this is why RAM costs 900 dollars

[deep swan]

this isn't even AI, just copypasta

[hidden bay]

Errrr, we announce them when they're ready for release.

[ember ruin]

"...that was later sold to the Republic of Korea"

[livid pendant]

Thanks

[plush oxide]

republic of korea

[deep swan]

yes I am annoyed about certain lines, why do you ask?

[plush oxide]

which one though

[ember ruin]

both, that way they can sell one as a premium and put the other in the tech tree

[plush oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1224185270560362597/1243794386098061355/qIFw2xe3.gif

[severe plank]

Solid shot

[deep swan]

I would never use AI for pastas, half the fun of it is making them

[hollow estuary]

Anyone thinks essex needs debuff?

[drifting marlin]

no you're the only one

[deep swan]

my opinion on carriers is illegal here

[light harbor]

And HE

[hollow estuary]

All the asia server is full of square fighters

[digital locust]

Brave coming from a representative of a company who uses AI to write theirs devblogs

[untold thistle]

Nerf the torps more trust

[livid pendant]

I guess the nerf on essex is on their way, just need a bit more time

[severe plank]

Ah so it’s the fighters

[steel pier]

now, abt the Skoryy-class. would tier VII still be viable? i think abt submitting the idea to #1463555527949680782

[livid pendant]

They have said Ocean is not the last

[hollow estuary]

Other cvs are disappeared

[untold thistle]

I still see shinano so

Also, blame shinano

Not essex

[hollow estuary]

Powerful fighters, no cds smogs and imba trops

[untold thistle]

But blame essex for removing fdr

[drifting marlin]

this is true, BazGPT does write the devblogs

[fringe crow]

We have the Siliwangi as Skory-class rep

[hollow estuary]

Cuz the weebs like

[tawdry turret]

asia server mentioned

[untold thistle]

No, ap skip bomb

[hidden bay]

In that range sure

[hollow estuary]

I didnt see any al shinano plays it well

[hidden bay]

I mean I used to write some of the DBs.

Fairly sure I'm real.

[steel pier]

remind me again, which nation Siliwangi is?

[hidden bay]

Indonesia

[steel pier]

see? there we go

[hollow estuary]

Some anime ship women likers bought it with 50k avgdmg

[frosty cedar]

tbh can anyone blame them, especially for dev blogs it's probably one of the best use case's, if BazGPT gets proofread before releasing

[steel pier]

now, what makes Siliwangi special? i need to think abt what makes this new viet DD different from her

[hidden bay]

Now there's a funny joke to be made here, but I can't do it

@obtuse ferry I summon you for the A I Joke.

[deep swan]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-automaton-robot-laptop-oil-gif-7384339337185613233

[mental sundial]

Baz still in the basement it seems

[untold thistle]

You have hydro, smoke, and DT torps that are faster than the panasian TT iirc

[edgy marten]

heyy

[magic arrow]

BazGPT or zui-Claude-su should be able to help

[untold thistle]

Do not build siliwangi for guns

[drifting marlin]

im usually the one posting/maintaining them to reddit so i give them a comb through for obviously incorrect values

[untold thistle]

Build for supporting your team

[steel pier]

so, how i make another Skory, that completely differs from Siliwangi

[untold thistle]

Change the smoke to a heal and remove hydro, trust

Keep the guns

Actually that's a bad idea

Siliwangi already relies on the hydro and torps for helping the team

[steel pier]

maybe this: smoke. but a creeping smoke like the UK. burst fire guns mode and normal torps but to make it fair not so high dmg

bin, what ya say

[untold thistle]

Zoning torps?

[hidden bay]

I recall many moons ago helping a CC record footage for a Siliwangi review. After 5 games our conclusion was simple

Buy a Lenin

[plush oxide]

UK creeping smoke?

[untold thistle]

Siliwangi wasn't fun

[frosty cedar]

[steel pier]

read and tell me, if my idea sounds ok

[ember ruin]

all of the fun is in the name

[severe plank]

Is there a design basis for defence or is it entirely fictional

[hidden bay]

She's like Orkan, in that her toolkit is very powerful but she lacks the DPM to take advantage of it. So they excel in divisions

[untold thistle]

My wangi is indeed sili

[hidden bay]

Our creation.

[severe plank]

Icy

[steel pier]

zoning torps? im not talking abt smthn as the torp germans had which zoomed on a path, till it hit smthn

[trail salmon]

yari-copilot

[plush oxide]

Honesty is it's own reward

[hidden bay]

We never claimed it was a real design.

[deep swan]

there are certain WG fakes I wish never existed
Defence isn't one of them

[magic arrow]

It's Micro-Snarf-t copilot

[ember ruin]

it certainly resembles other UK ships in spirit

[tiny radish]

at least orkan is good vs something shes guaranteed to meet

siliwangi is terrible

[trail salmon]

hmmge, then what is gizmo

[livid bridge]

no, terrible is a french design

[hidden bay]

Take an all forward layout, KGV's 14'' twins and apply it to the late war aesthetics and systems of the RN

[digital locust]

Claude AI nuked a database with all backups, Microsnarft copilot nuked only one discord server

[frosty cedar]

what codeing agent is the most popular under wg devs?

[hidden bay]

Viola Defence

[untold thistle]

I imagine a ship similar to defence would have happened eventually if the Washington naval treaty never happened

[fringe crow]

Grokmo

[deep swan]

hate this thing though

[steel pier]

#game-discussion message
i need an honest opinion, and what to change maybe

[livid bridge]

[hidden bay]

As I don't have practical experience in balancing I can't really say if it would work well

Nice camo though

[steel pier]

who here, is expert for such?

[drifting marlin]

noone

[livid bridge]

what UK creeping smoke btw, UK doesn't have creeping smokes

[drifting marlin]

balance guys are generally not public-facing

[hidden bay]

Leg Mod Mino

[frosty cedar]

i am expert yapper

[untold thistle]

It's better that way

[hidden bay]

Yes for you lot mostly.

[plush oxide]

I thought he was referring to the commonwealth smokes

[livid bridge]

balance guys chose the best course of action, avoid the playerbase

[untold thistle]

They're going to get flamed

[trail salmon]

leg mod radar mino

[deep swan]

[grim portal]

When balance guy has to interact with players we get shit like old gz

[livid bridge]

why Leg Mod Mino when you can have Leg Flashing AL Mino

[steel pier]

the middle one, this one i thought off.

[untold thistle]

Enlighten me

[plush oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-talking-stop-yapping-be-quiet-shut-up-shut-gif-4365005405972667326

[drifting marlin]

players are notoriously Very Good™ at balancing

[obtuse ferry]

hello yes BazGPT reporting in

[hidden bay]

How to date a WoWs Player.... Do they remember Player 'Re-balanced' Graf Zep

[grim portal]

Yes

[livid bridge]

that's generally the commonwealth gimmick

not UK

[trail salmon]

enigheten me

[livid bridge]

[grim portal]

I was there gandalf

[steel pier]

commonwealth then

so be it

[deep swan]

the tirpocalypse

[plush oxide]

that's what I figured you meant

[steel pier]

but this one i wish

[hidden bay]

Oh I was there that day

[plush oxide]

but I mean I don't judge you for saying UK because that's basically Commonwealth

[deep swan]

5 billion TKing Tirpitzes

[scenic osprey]

Remind please

[hidden bay]

Friend got a game in his Taiho
12 Tirptitz vs 11 Tirpitz and 1 Taiho

[livid bridge]

I propably was there but didn't pay enough attention to notice

[honest silo]

Time to do a Random battle with Illinois.

[frosty cedar]

tbh if you want to make balance suggestions i think a good way is to first ask yourself what did wg intend there and than go to what is most annoying with that ship and think if you get the point gone or if it is a design choice

[steel pier]

anyways, ima try and wrap my head around, how to make this for a Skory DD

[deep swan]

and how many TKs came out of it?

[scenic osprey]

Im wondering how many Hannovers could build humanity

[hidden bay]

In general just completely broken and that was in RTS days.

[digital locust]

That's why Tirpitz is still best pr farmer

[grim portal]

She was extremely easy to play and her AP bombers had an extremely small circular drop pattern so you could point and click devstrike most battleships and cruisers

[untold thistle]

If it's t8, make sure to check all t8 DDs to make sure you aren't making the same DD

[hidden bay]

No TK, was his damage record for years

[digital locust]

I have 666 games in Tirpitz from back in the day. I refuse to play more

[untold thistle]

Oh that, I saw clips of that

[livid bridge]

the autodrop being a manually aimed drop size even stayed all the way through

[plush oxide]

there is no reason to play tirpitz anyway

[grim portal]

That was player balanced gz

[hidden bay]

Hmmmm we've got a Thunderstorm in Belgrade, and I forgot my coat.

[scenic osprey]

Noice

[steel pier]

im trying to suggest a brand new DD, for Vietnam, talking to bin the most likely candidate was a Skory. but VII, crawling smoke, burst fire mode (maybe) and standard torps, but not with standard VII torp dmg. this was my idea

[hidden bay]

I will become Damp.

[steel pier]

VII

[drifting marlin]

no need to manual drop with GZ RTS, and in fact iirc was it either GZ or enterprise who actually preferred auto-dropping because DFAA didn't screw it up as much

[deep swan]

incredible
normally there would be at least one teamkill with torps while far outside of 6km from any enemy ships

[grim portal]

Because when you balance around the dumbest players you get ships that are very easy to abuse

[steel pier]

Skory has 2 gun turrets only, so i thought of a VII at maximum

[honest silo]

OH, Triple Illinois!

[frosty cedar]

ah sorry i missunderstood i though its about rebalancing

[digital locust]

Some people insist on playing Roma. Roma is aless accurate Tirpitz with worse secondaries and no torps

[untold thistle]

looks at pan am BBs

[hidden bay]

But alot prettier.

[deep swan]

man this is sure ringing some bells
wonder which ships this could also apply to?

[plush oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/real-gif-7190633655174483429

[shadow rose]

los andes is spanish for the andes

[steel pier]

i want a prem viet DD, based on a Skory

[scenic osprey]

unbelievable how you managed to avoid death by smoking and being kidnapped by albanians

[grim portal]

Roma gets the advantage of better armor layout and gun layout so

[plush oxide]

holy shit no way?!!!

[livid bridge]

generally whatever, game's not gonna be balanced ngl, futile task

[plush oxide]

mind blown

[drifting marlin]

RTS enterprise was also an absolute unit

[grim portal]

Certain pan american bbs

[hidden bay]

AP DB Midway when in a DM

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[deep swan]

no, those are definitely well balanced and have no issues
they just need to gather more data

[scenic osprey]

I played in 2015 or 2016

[deep swan]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[scenic osprey]

And I got 7k avg dmg in bogue

[untold thistle]

Surely nerfing the turning fixes the problem

[grim portal]

Back when AFT increased your AA range

[hidden bay]

Manual AA Neptune. 8.6km AA Range

Those were the days

[steel pier]

so bin, for my final question. should i provide values too? like how long smoke lasts, how long the consumable is active etc. and also a name? or will this all be done by you guys, if it comes to it

[plush oxide]

certain ships were AA monsters

[grim portal]

So you had Moskvas and Minos running around with 9km AA range

[trail salmon]

can we bring back the good AA

[grim portal]

Grozovi being the 7.2km AA deathball

[trail salmon]

not whatever shit we have now

[plush oxide]

RTS Carriers HAD to play around AA ships or they would get deplaned within minutes

it was crazy

[grim portal]

Oh man Worcester before the CV rework

When it had stealth radar too

Bring me back man

[deep swan]

midway AP bombers were so dumb
with AP bombs and the torp squads, you had 2 existential threats to cruisers
so you could just pick one and bait DFAA with it
then the other went in once DFAA went off

[grim portal]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/Go_uTzLWgAAgEGT.webp

[hidden bay]

Right time to brave the outside. If you don't hear from me I've been struck by lightning

[grim portal]

You'll turn into Frankenbin that only proposes fake ships

[steel pier]

#game-discussion message

[untold thistle]

Honestly, watching old KotS is just, wow, CVs being allowed?