game-discussion

[tall geyser]

yeaaa

[hexed escarp]

That's what happens when the drunkard is told to write Freiheit

[ember ruin]

swamp german

[plush oxide]

guess the ship

@ember ruin @hexed escarp @tall geyser

[tall geyser]

hughes

[plush oxide]

incorrect

[tall geyser]

is it a premium

[ember ruin]

titanic_2020's mom

[tall geyser]

SHUTB U!!!!!

[plush oxide]

i cannot say if its a premium or tech tree

you get 2 more guesses

[tall geyser]

ok bet

[hexed escarp]

Kidd?

[azure marten]

velos?

[plush oxide]

Incorrect

[plush oxide]

Incorrect

[azure marten]

darn

[plush oxide]

I'll give out one hint

[tall geyser]

is it fletcher

[plush oxide]

It carries a signature radar surveillance consumable

[tall geyser]

is it uss black

@plush oxideblack?

[plush oxide]

You've used up all your guesses it was incorrect

[tall geyser]

fuck!

[hexed escarp]

Gemini lied to me

[azure marten]

Chung mu?

[leaden glacier]

oh I know it's montana that's easy

[tall geyser]

🤤

[plush oxide]

it's actually the korean fletcher

Chung Mu

aka chinese copy fletcher

[tall geyser]

NO N O NO ITS NOT NO NO

[plush oxide]

would you think

that

the Kidd is the most famous fletcher class

[hexed escarp]

Is it?

[plush oxide]

i dont know

but assuming that Ai went there

it might be

the ships got no hull number but it still went for kidd

[hexed escarp]

I thought William D Porter is the most famous one
(for bad reasons)

[plush oxide]

alrighty

next fletcher class to guess you all GET 1 GUESS this time

[fringe crow]

Johnston's very much up there as well

O'Bannon as well

[fringe crow]

That's Halford

[plush oxide]

I just want to know

how you knew this

[analog jackal]

who is GP__2?!?!

WHERES GP__1?!?

[jolly tartan]

an alt account

[fringe crow]

The Oerlikon platform on the bridge face is the tell

[trail salmon]

isnt this... one of those german post wwII dds

[plush oxide]

I never noticed the bridge differences

[fringe crow]

None of the other round bridge Fletchers in game have it

[plush oxide]

is Chung Mu the only Fletcher class to not have a hull identification number

at least in the game

[fringe crow]

Fletcher doesn't have one either unless there's some camo that adds it

[plush oxide]

i think

the biggest tell with Chung Mu is the signature pan asian brown painted deck

and the lack of a hull identification number

[fringe crow]

Also the forward outer bridge being glassed in is a feature only she and Velos share

[plush oxide]

Chung Mu

Black

[fringe crow]

Black can be ID'd by her pre-remaster Fletcher model

[plush oxide]

Halford

Velos

[tall geyser]

how tf do i get 1 fucking pen when i shoot a broadside schleiffen at 8km

??

british dispersion is good

[lucid wagon]

by missing

[plush oxide]

is the glassed bridge an export model?

[pliant sequoia]

If there is a GP__1 and GP__2 then there must be an GP__0

[fringe crow]

No it was just a very common post WWII modification

[pliant sequoia]

No words in this world can explain how much I love the look of the bridge of the Velos

[lucid wagon]

too bad Velos herself not so good

[fringe crow]

As air attacks occurred from farther away protection from the elements was more important than clear sky views for officers and crew on that bridge

[pliant sequoia]

Always depends on the player using it

[plush oxide]

Velos might be the most mediocre fletcher

I'm not even certain I understand the gimmick

[pliant sequoia]

I had quite some good memories in Velos I must admit

[lucid wagon]

its just the truth tho

Velos is average

she has one rack of torpedoes she spams and dpm too cut for her to fight true gunboats

but she isnt so good at torpboat role either

[pliant sequoia]

Her being average is probably true

But hey if someone enjoys it, then that's nice

[lucid wagon]

on average you are kind of just worse fletcher

[plush oxide]

I had to look it up

[pliant sequoia]

True that

[plush oxide]

Velos has one less turret and one less torpedo rack in exchange for faster gun reload and 60 second torp reload with pan-european signature narrow spread for her torps

that's about it

[pliant sequoia]

Yes

[plush oxide]

also she gets dfaa and engine boost in separate slots unlike the american tech tree

[fringe crow]

And Velos has modelled Hedgehog ASW mortars which aren't useable

[azure marten]

velos gets the pan euro torp speed and spread but keeps the fletcher torp damage iirc

[eager pumice]

I have once again defeated half the enemy team and both enemy Valpas by simply also being Valpa and pointing away from, not towards the middle of the map

[plush oxide]

dont know if velos is really worth it

[eager pumice]

oh no Iowa on my team

[plush oxide]

no she only gets the spread

not the speed

[lucid wagon]

she is much faster firing, but is fletcher torp damage and speed and you only get one rack

[azure marten]

damn I guess im misremembering the thing

[lucid wagon]

that reloads every like idfk

[plush oxide]

which actually might have made her a good torp boat

[lucid wagon]

50s?

[azure marten]

its been a while since ive played it

[lucid wagon]

let mecheck

[plush oxide]

if she got 95 knot torps with fletcher damage

could be kind of crazy

[azure marten]

petition to buff velos with that

[pliant sequoia]

I love Velos

[azure marten]

velos also has the novelty that you can go visit her irl

[pliant sequoia]

Even if it is probably worse than other Fletcher class ships

[pliant sequoia]

Yeah

[lucid wagon]

my Velos has 45.9s torpedo reload

[plush oxide]

how much gun dpm did you give up for that

[lucid wagon]

208k AP 172k HE

you technically have more DPM either way then Fletcher

[unique hemlock]

Kidd seems rather interesting, seeming like a hybrid between the curved bridges of original Fletchers and the enclosed ones of the modern refits.

Most notably, looking rather boxy.

[plush oxide]

roughly similar to my Chung Mu DPM

still though

if i'm giving up a torp rack AND a gun

I'll probably take Halford in this case

[fringe crow]

Velos and Chung Mu are square bridge Fletchers like Kidd

The difference is Kidd is shown in WWII open fit and Velos/Chung Mu are portrayed in Cold War refit state with the forward part of the open bridge plated in

Velos and Chung Mu had the standard open bridge in wartime US service

[eager pumice]

Oh no it's a bot Iowa

GG

[trail salmon]

just had the most passive battle ever on asia

[cold geyser]

hello welcome to asia

[trail salmon]

literally full 20 mins

btw i spent my 300k fxp on yumihari

im getting bungussy

[jolly tartan]

oof

i never imagine asia like that passive

[trail salmon]

really passive

even in muh sniper bb

[stiff burrow]

What is fastest way to earn base xp

@fringe crow help

[jolly tartan]

randoms, and being the top earner

plus kill DDs and Subs

[pliant relic]

winning too

[jolly tartan]

^

[stiff burrow]

ok but like

besides randoms

[fringe crow]

Failing that asymm spam in a meta ship

[stiff burrow]

Does xp booster help

[fringe crow]

No

[idle charm]

I think we need more fletchers

[pliant relic]

we need all 400

[fringe crow]

bxp can't be modified

[jolly tartan]

id argue ranked or CB....tho later is only req is to win

ez 2500 base exp

[pliant relic]

modified by skill :>

[stiff burrow]

What is best ship for asym? My Salem or zuck or Hildebrand

[fringe crow]

We might get one in the upcoming PanAm DD line

[pliant relic]

(and luck)

[lucid wagon]

no

[fringe crow]

Salem or Zuckerhoff

[lucid wagon]

no more fletcher

[jolly tartan]

zuk, id assume

salem works too

[stiff burrow]

Zuck it I’d

[azure marten]

zuckerhoff gonna be better for asyms assuming you play it smart

[pliant relic]

hmpf

[lucid wagon]

They should release another Des Moines ship with more gimmick

[azure marten]

and dont just W key and get burnt down by focus fire

[lucid wagon]

but i do not know any other Des Moines class apart from like itself

and Salem

which i assume is real

[azure marten]

Newport news

[stiff burrow]

Yes

Real

[fringe crow]

Newport News is the third member of the class

[azure marten]

thats another one of the des class

[lucid wagon]

we should add it to game

give it bridgeport mbrb and german hydro, 8km radar, thank me later for my genius idea totally

[azure marten]

give us Newport news with the fancy day modern gimmicks

[fringe crow]

Only Des Moines, Salem, and Newport News were completed out of the class
A fourth called Dallas was scrapped incomplete and eight unnamed others were cancelled before construction could start

[lucid wagon]

7km hydro newport news LMAO

[azure marten]

give it a funny button

can't forget that

[lucid wagon]

they plan to build 10+ what the fuck!!!!

[stiff burrow]

I still don’t see why Keksarge is considered bad for asym

[pliant relic]

The canceled dallas?

oo

[azure marten]

yeah lesta and WG haven't been the same company since the split

[icy sandal]

#game-discussion
The past 50 messages have been removed due to Lesta discussion

[stiff burrow]

womp womp

[lucid wagon]

lol

[stiff burrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086699983769600/1439823427270610954/knownt.gif

[lucid wagon]

no more evidence

[azure marten]

figured that would've happened

that game is a fever dream, ill leave it at that

[lucid wagon]

anyway i think ROCN Te Yang should be add to game because its cool and its from my country

even though it is like super modified gearing from 1977

[fringe crow]

FRAM refit

Hopefully coming with functional ASROC

Or maybe ASW airstrikes in the form of the DASH drone

[eager pumice]

why is my DD afk

2 bot and 1 AFK teammates in 3 games

[winter fjord]

What is Nelson's gimmick

[strange mulch]

superheal

[stiff burrow]

have a stipid name

[fringe crow]

HE alpha and superheal

[lucid wagon]

I think wargaming could add Taiwanese Yukikaze clone with like million gimmicks

called Dan Yang

[winter fjord]

Doesn't the UK bb line do that?

[azure marten]

yes

[fringe crow]

Yes but Nelson takes it to the extreme and has the all forward layout

[azure marten]

Nelson is a UK bb

[fringe crow]

Plus 27 mm overmatch

[winter fjord]

Why is it called a zombie ship

[fringe crow]

The downside is she's slow

[azure marten]

because of the super heal

[fringe crow]

Superheal

[lucid wagon]

because it can heal like 2/3rd of health

per super heal

[azure marten]

its like 34k? hp per heal

[winter fjord]

Ohhh

[lucid wagon]

i think nelson superheal heals like 33k

theory ofc

[azure marten]

assuming you dont eat torps or get citadeled through the massive 26mm bow

[lucid wagon]

yea

[winter fjord]

I think I prefer Rodney with her st Vincent torps

[chrome pasture]

Making the VE Day mission only available for exam week is diabolical

[lucid wagon]

i think that is coincidence

the reward arent even good anyway

[chrome pasture]

Yeah but it could have been extended a little bit lol

[twin abyss]

Well, I'm a little disappointed that the last VE Day totals are lagging now.

[winter fjord]

What was the reward for the may day mission

[chrome pasture]

I don’t think we’re getting 4 billion damage total in 5 and a half hours

[twin abyss]

It's more that I want those 500 Community Tokens; events like this are the only way I'm ever getting them.

[lucid wagon]

play test server

[chrome pasture]

Same

[whole meteor]

you cant play PTS?

[lucid wagon]

they give many community token

[twin abyss]

Isn't it like, 15 hours?

[twin abyss]

Never could figure out how to set it up

I am not a particularly clever man

[chrome pasture]

5 on my end

[azure marten]

you just have to download the pts client and log in with your normal account

[shrewd fable]

can bungo cit satsuma 10km?

[chrome pasture]

Who knows, maybe some madlads will bring us up to 23B by then

[viral fjord]

satsuma has a yamato cheeks weakness

if aimed right you can

[eager pumice]

easily won game

if our DD wasn't AFK

[shrewd fable]

wut abt broad

[eager pumice]

I hate Asia ranked so much

[shrewd fable]

not aimimng for cheek

[eager pumice]

3 games 2 bots 1 AFK DD

always on my side never the enemy

truly the InterconKW MM

[viral fjord]

aim there i think

[whole meteor]

on cheek

not flat

[lucid wagon]

i honestly feel like at 10km you can just reliably cit anywhere

[whole meteor]

not reliable

only upper 1/2 of cit
lower too angled

[fringe crow]

The cheek section where it's outer plating covering the angled plate separating the belt from the transverse bulkhead

[lucid wagon]

you seem very knowledgeable about history. Why was Gascogne planned with aft turret but not Clemenceau if french navy already knew 2 frontal turret wouldnt work?

i cannot find reliable answer

[agile cypress]

What coal ships should I save up for next? I got 200k coal and im looking on who to buy. I already got most of the ships Im interested in anyway

I was looking at jager but people really seem to hate her, i want to know more about why

[river dune]

5.4km conceal and it spams torps every minute

it's annoying

[lucid wagon]

not very good ship either

[agile cypress]

but how does she play, from what I see she plays like a submarine but on the surface

[lucid wagon]

her torpedoes so b ad that you can literally take on entire salvo

[river dune]

i just told you, 5.4km conceal and torp spam, it's just a torp dd with fairly European torps

high speed and low damage

[fringe crow]

I know less about the French navy than I do about the USN
Someone in #naval-history would be more qualified to answer this question than me

[agile cypress]

what other coal ships are interesting then?

[lucid wagon]

what tier

[agile cypress]

idc

I got all tiers

but higher tiers would be prefered

[lucid wagon]

Alvaro De Bazan

do you have that

[azure marten]

jager is an interesting option, people just hate fighting it

[tall geyser]

@stoic idolu proud of me gng?

[azure marten]

because if you dont have someone to spot it, its gonna be death by 1000 papercuts

[agile cypress]

no, dont really play axis

[tall geyser]

i swear

i got fucking spidersense

i dodged the entirity of like kitakami torps

[lucid wagon]

Alvaro de Bazan is very good maybe you should get it

[tall geyser]

and like japanese dd torps

like entire salvos

it was insane

and perfect

[agile cypress]

thats what I assumed, I wanted to play jager to see if she could play differently than anu of my other ships

[tall geyser]

i am the SMARTEST wows player to EVER live

[strange mulch]

then what are you doing here, go save New York, Parker

[azure marten]

the closest comparison that comes to mind off rip is benham

[tawdry turret]

just spot and torp

[azure marten]

also torpedo vomit

[tall geyser]

sorry saar

[agile cypress]

how do you get benham

[azure marten]

although jager has no smoke and a heal

benham is one of the FOMO ships

either super containers or Christmas containers

was originally available in a grindy event called rogue wave for free

[agile cypress]

brah

[azure marten]

I mean, jager was also available in a grindy event for free

as well as brisbane

[agile cypress]

I wish wows didnt rely so much on fomo I want some of these ships

[azure marten]

the fomo is brutal

its the way the cookie crumbles with f2p games though

[twin abyss]

FOMO is the bane of all leisure activities.

[lucid wagon]

yes i remember rogue wave

i forgt rewards

[azure marten]

the rewards were hill and benham

[agile cypress]

if wows was instead a game you pay for to be able to unlock everything without paying i would rather play that

[azure marten]

as well as skins for multiple T10 dds

the ones that make the gun sounds extremely loud

[lucid wagon]

i am pretty sure they were ugly ass skin

idk word for genre for it but like

they look like rust bucket

[azure marten]

they are VERY rusty

I think ive gotten one of them through a distant voyages container but im not sure

im still hoping for the day I can get a dont tread on me camo for worcester

[tawdry turret]

like those battle hardened type skin?

[azure marten]

I missed out on the eagles version last year because it was before I had a job

let me see if I can find a picture of the camo

iirc its called master of the water world

[tawdry turret]

oh those

[lucid wagon]

hello

[lucid wagon]

they should bring back very glorious clan battle ship that is not so very good anymore Somers

[azure marten]

these

[lucid wagon]

soo everyone can get it

[azure marten]

Google AI very stupid about this one

🥀

[muted eagle]

You dont live in mom's basement anymore? 🥳

[agile cypress]

people also told me not to get F sherman but I got her anyway and I built her around outranging cruisers in order to be the biggest nuissance possible

17.5km range

[azure marten]

well, I still live in my parents house because im a college student and the housing market is absolutely FUCKED

[vital sphinx]

anyone have a guide? im new to the game

[azure marten]

also Florida can't have basements 😔

[muted eagle]

Oh, sorry.

[lucid wagon]

not another F sherman player

so sad

[agile cypress]

I dont play her that often

[muted eagle]

Cant have shit in florida.

[agile cypress]

I dont like to main ships

[azure marten]

i am NOT paying 1.4k a month for a studio apartment

[lucid wagon]

you know i would like to make this excuse of me living in my parent wine cellar but i dont even go to university

[azure marten]

that is beyond absurd

[muted eagle]

Holy f...

[lucid wagon]

housing market everywhere is bad

Taipei is impossible so i probably live with parents for long time. Not so bad.

[azure marten]

I dont even work full time, only part time

id have to work like 2 other jobs to afford that

next best option would be getting 1-2 irl buddies ive known since middleschool to roommate with in some house

[lucid wagon]

cram three people into one small house

european housing economy really that bad

[azure marten]

some of my irl friends already do that

[lucid wagon]

or americas too

[azure marten]

Im currently in a 7 person house hold lol

7 people and only one bathroom

not even a half bathroom anywhere

it sucks

[eager pumice]

this is my 4th bot team in a row

[azure marten]

but thats getting off topic

[eager pumice]

I think WG is telling me something

I'm giving them advice in chat, not toxicity

[lucid wagon]

For Taipei most place you can find go for 20-22,000 NT$ were i look at least, probably a lot much cheaper

[eager pumice]

these people are genuinely making less BXP here than they would in PVE

[lucid wagon]

i hear alot of people from america and europe countries complain about living cost

[eager pumice]

not a statshame just a matter of fact

[lucid wagon]

if someone is so bad they are below 47% winrate then they are not interested in listening anyway

[eager pumice]

like if you want 400bxp per game play coop not ranked

[azure marten]

living costs are truly awful here in america

[eager pumice]

it genuinely is easier

[deep swan]

how do you have 7 heals that late in valparaiso?

[eager pumice]

there's nothing else I can do

[deep swan]

did they just ignore you or did they go somewhere you weren't

[lucid wagon]

world economy is shitty

[deep swan]

I don't think you're playing aggressive enough in val

[azure marten]

oh boy its saturday

ill finish my harugumo regrind in the morning and finally have ohio

[eager pumice]

I'm fairly aggressive but not when my team is reduced to a 1v7

[deep swan]

If you're playing right you should be the furthest forward ship on your team most of the time

[azure marten]

I decided to get ohio because I can easily just swap out modules and commander for when I play pve or pvp

[eager pumice]

all 6 other players were bot tier

no point in me going in

[river dune]

20 fires and no witherer

[azure marten]

ive gotten 30 fires no wither before

[eager pumice]

I've lost 4 games and 1 star because starsave on Asia is easy

[azure marten]

I can never get sticky fires 😔

[eager pumice]

you're surrounded by 40%ers who play like they never left coop

[lucid wagon]

because sooner or later it will push you through

anyway

[eager pumice]

w key in...?

[lucid wagon]

you still get reward

does not matter if you have 10% winrate or 90% winrate in rank you still get same reward for no reason

[tawdry turret]

symboli

[tawdry turret]

they kept fixing the 1 fires man

[whole meteor]

try carrying harder

[lucid wagon]

should i play Jean Bart

how does she play in 2026

last time i play was 7 month ago

[azure marten]

last time I played JB I became a glorified ramming platform because both my front guns got perma destroyed

[river dune]

like most other island camp bb's, you suffer at the hands of subs, cv's, and a legmod petro constantly knocking out your guns

🥀

[lucid wagon]

cant get rid of petro guns forever in 4 salvo anymore

how sad

I mean back then Jean Bart got beat by any 406mm gun that could disable her turret LOL

really funny

[tawdry turret]

i just had this Mogami, was in a 8-9 game and he didn't even fire a single shot, only torps, even when I had 2 BBs shooting at me, he became a DD.
asked him if his guns are non-existence, he fired AP, flat-broadsided and got 50% on instant, still using AP after their Izumo angled, should have ran but stayed anway with broadside opened. Both of us died but I got the Izumo with fire after my death. And I did all the dmg on that Izumo

so glad im playing EU now

[deep swan]

faster gonext if it goes bad, but Val is crazy enough to win some of those

[lucid wagon]

intelligent ASIA player holy

most bad NA moment comes from usually the DD player or BB player

today I had a Iowa try and snipe me from very, very back of map with spotter plane + range mod I think

[tawdry turret]

the annoying part is that he missed all his torps

[river dune]

secondary build monty

[tawdry turret]

so all he did in the game was nothing

[lucid wagon]

I also saw secondary build shikishima today

😭

why is secondary build shikishima a thing

[eager pumice]

I mean it's not like I'm non-aggo when I am confident my team are not bots

but 5/6 of my last teams have had bots

or Asian WoWs heroes

[lucid wagon]

• built for long range
• weak armor at side
• large target
• slow turrets so brawling is more difficult
• large citadel with famous weakspot

surely shikishima is

the best brawler

[eager pumice]

also valp is still stupid

[lucid wagon]

obviously

[eager pumice]

passive Valp or active Valp

you can basically kill 3 non-Valp enemies

[azure marten]

secondary Yamato best brawler bb fr

[eager pumice]

But T9 Ranked

is won in port half the time

because like
My team gets 2 Valps enemy gets a 44%er in some random garbage? We win

there's nothing the enemy can do about it I'm just going to run it down\

and vice versa

I get a bot Iowa on my team? I'm screwed

[tawdry turret]

bot Iowa mentioned twice

[river dune]

[river dune]

do i set it up and play it or play georgia

[cold geyser]

play da mississouri

33 kay tees base speed

loving your work young man

[viral fjord]

spawns on the left
rushes on mid with zuckerhoff
enemy team baffled

[eager pumice]

Also like

[lucid wagon]

what does this mean

what do you mean by bot iowa

is it just obvious bot due to like huge string of number and letter

[eager pumice]

Apart from people giving full broadside

(People do that)

There's very little you can do to skill diff Valp as a Valp

[eager pumice]

I mean an actual human on Asia who plays like a bot, AKA right into mid

[lucid wagon]

oh

[eager pumice]

Real bots are prevalent a stat check can confirm that

But most of them

Are people

[viral fjord]

come on

[lucid wagon]

i have seen 38% winrate person who is no bot

[eager pumice]

Yeah I've seen WRs low as like 35%

[lucid wagon]

the question is how are you so bad you are ltierally losing teams a game

because even afk idiots still have like

42-44% wr

i will never understand how it gets that bad

[eager pumice]

Yeah actual bots are like 35-38% because it's genuinely hard to lose 40% of games

[prime shard]

Just found that i couldve gotten a free VIII ship in 2024 🫪

[eager pumice]

Actual humans can be doing things so useless they basically are a 13th enemy ship

[eager pumice]

Did anyone tell you about the 3 free USN T8 and 9 prems in 2025, issued back to back

[viral fjord]

man

[prime shard]

AAAAAA

[lucid wagon]

GQ Johnny Bridgeport

what was other one

[eager pumice]

San Diego

[lucid wagon]

i forgot already

oh that

i really like Johnston

[eager pumice]

If you had enough tokens I guess Kushiro also counted

[lucid wagon]

she feels powerful so it is weird i dont see it often

[lucid wagon]

not really free since you need like 200 ships

and not most people have it

[eager pumice]

Like you'd get a T10 IJN CA, a T9 DD and T8 USN cruisers in rapid succession

I am a Kushiro owner

[lucid wagon]

i am as well

[lament birch]

i would prob like kush more if it arcs where in between ibuki/zao lol

[eager pumice]

It's okay
There
Will be more premiums for free

[lucid wagon]

technically also give at least

one tier 10 premium for free

if you save

[viral fjord]

[eager pumice]

The 360 turrets are nice but

[viral fjord]

what you do in this

[eager pumice]

See I also got Bremen in a lucky drop

[lament birch]

There's like no reason to play it

[eager pumice]

And if I want to play a T10 cruiser I know Bremen and Kushiro are worlds apart but there's no prize to guess which one I'd rather roll into Asia midrush in

[void relic]

kushiro of course

[lucid wagon]

i got all three G variant in 5 gold gift container

[void relic]

she has funny torps

[eager pumice]

After getting the originals?

[lucid wagon]

bought with steel yes

still very good drop

[eager pumice]

Oh

Yeah it's a good drop I just

[lucid wagon]

i can still look like mega 🐳

i did not get roma but sunk skin

[spring flare]

gonna tweak

the FUCK

out dude

18 atoll rounds

in a ROW

for operations

[scenic osprey]

[eager pumice]

I never whaled on Christmas before right
But I felt like supporting the game (cope)

I bought 20 containers and used my birthday cashback (since mine is dec anyway)

No joke
Dropped 15 goldens and all 3 ships in the first 10

[tawdry turret]

u don't look like one because you are one

[eager pumice]

And I think this is why my MM is so cursed now

it has to balance out somehow

[lucid wagon]

LOL YOU DROP BELFAST?

insane luck.

[tawdry turret]

i mean if he has most of the ships

then it would drop tho

[void relic]

belfat 43 is peak

[lucid wagon]

Musashi has avoided becoming another one of my port resident despite me spending $4,100 USD on this game in 9 years 😭

[eager pumice]

no I don't
Belfast was my first container red ever

[lucid wagon]

i regret not getting Musashi

[void relic]

i dont even like belfast from a historical context but belfast 43 is a cool ship to game in

[lucid wagon]

i feel for "Do not get Musashi it is just worse Yamato" bait

[tawdry turret]

holy fuck

[lucid wagon]

when i was like 13

[eager pumice]

I wanted Belfast the most out of all of them because I visited the real thing and used to live overseas before I went back to CN

and lo and behold
it shows up

again
insane luck so now my MM is cursed to be suicide rush forever

[lucid wagon]

went from being ass to probably 3rd or 2nd best T8 cruiser in my opinion

[lucid wagon]

am i really whale if is not my money

[void relic]

no heal though 😔

[river dune]

they need to do a rare ship only trade in, if i want to trade my musashi or missouri for an enterprise i should be able to

[eager pumice]

I think I got Musashi for FXP actually?

[lucid wagon]

i have enterprise and i play it 4 time only

[tawdry turret]

still in-game spending

[eager pumice]

Like when it was still on the menu

[lament birch]

Before i lost my first account, i had all FXP ships 🥀

[lucid wagon]

request wargaming to give back

surely you have form of ownership

proof

[lucid wagon]

they say Musashi was not worth it back then and that sound good enough to not get to young version of me

so i end up getting every single FXP ship but her LOL

and so many year pass by and i never get her

i even have both Smolensk and Smolensk B but nooooo Musashi

[lament birch]

for me to even get it back its the literal definition of this

[lucid wagon]

surely your new account go well

Smaland was so expensive back then I never got it I think. 2 million fxp? Did not get Smaland and Musashi

[lament birch]

Still annoys me im missing my smaland, thunderer i could care less about

[light harbor]

If Smaland really was available for fxp again I'd be grinding for her so hard

It's probably not going to happen but it'd be great

[lucid wagon]

think about it was back then fxp so much harder to get then now

now i have 11 million fxp

[lucid wagon]

at least there are viable options apart from smaland now

musashi not so much that can fill same niche

i play ragnar and gdansk more then smaland

[lament birch]

I think My avg games in musashi is like 1-2 games per year since owning it again

[eager pumice]

I have like
A decent number of Musashi games I think?

I'd play it in other modes but Valpa exists and ruins everything

[lucid wagon]

hector is my most played ship LOL i just realize

[river dune]

just play georgia instead

[lucid wagon]

401 games in total

am i true hector main

[light harbor]

I'd rather play Illinois

[lucid wagon]

that is how i cope i do not have Musashi

[river dune]

https://tenor.com/view/straight-to-jail-crime-criminal-gif-16779501

[light harbor]

I haven't touched Yamato in a while now

[lucid wagon]

either georgia/tsurugi/sun yat sen

[river dune]

i own both and i'd still play georgia over mush

[lucid wagon]

georgia is true tier 11

[eager pumice]

you know maybe I used to be a bad person

just maybe

[light harbor]

Nah, Georgia is actually somewhat balanced by tier 9 standards these days

What with Los Andes and Valparaiso being at the same tier

[lucid wagon]

i dont think that is fair to say

just because ship that is more broken exists doesnt make georgia any less broken

[light harbor]

That's exactly what powercreep is

[unique hemlock]

I would if they didn't remove her while I was <1000 coal from getting her

[west scaffold]

what makes los andes so broken

[river dune]

powercreep would imply georgia's not as strong as valpepe or andes though, no? it's still quite strong, and it can keep itself far enough away from valpepe that you can kinda just win against it

[river dune]

cruiser manuverability, insane secondaries, lisboa

also funny button

[west scaffold]

is lisboa mandatory or sum

[spring flare]

penalized for internet disconnection

[light harbor]

Unhittable citadel, dumb armor, insane manueverability, secondaries, lisboa, funny button

[west scaffold]

I see

[light harbor]

No but he's a huge upgrade

[unique hemlock]

Lisboa is essentially steroids for an already good ship

[light harbor]

She is weaker than Los Andes or Valpa though

[west scaffold]

i gotta spend coal on another commander ?? 😭

i want moar ships

[unique hemlock]

same :V

[light harbor]

Like yeah you might be able to play her at range against them but Georgia still has to give up a lot of room against them

[unique hemlock]

I just keep getting ships. I don't have any coal commanders yet.

(probably not a good idea)

[light harbor]

Coal commanders are only useful once you have the ships to use them on

So it's fine

[west scaffold]

i think this can be mitigated by using brain
(you have nothing to worry about then with these kinds of players)

[lucid wagon]

smart valparaiso player is just impossible to kill

[light harbor]

Indeed

[lucid wagon]

Valparaiso is too boring for any person above 50% wr though

so youll never see smart one

[west scaffold]

the valparaiso effect

[lament birch]

even a lobotomite one is an issue cause people feed it lol

[light harbor]

...it has been a while since I saw a competent Valp player actually

Hm

[lucid wagon]

they hand craft perfect position to be just into its secondary range, like 12km lol

and they never get any closer or leave secondary range

[void relic]

play van speijk

[brittle cliff]

How long will al event last

[lucid wagon]

isnt that tier 9 harlem

[void relic]

yes

shes a gud bote

[tawdry turret]

until early June

[pliant relic]

whens the trade in event hen

[tawdry turret]

any goob lines to grind for

not CA/CL lines

[void relic]

goober lines

[pliant relic]

pan asia dd idk

[tawdry turret]

sure i want to try that too

[lucid wagon]

Thor

Gustav Den Stoore specially designed to be as miserable as possible

[pliant relic]

me dropping deepwaters at dds to scare them lol

[tawdry turret]

oh yes i love to be a masochist and play the Gustav Den Store

[deep swan]

Brain AFK teams are when I go limit test for fun

[lucid wagon]

i do not know why bit she feels so so bad to play

Enigheten was very good to me and Thor is pretty good

but Gustav Den Store makes me never want to grind and just use my fxp instead

[deep swan]

T9 MM, is a minor upgrade over the T8, and the guns weren’t good to begin with

[cold geyser]

WHAT

[ember ruin]

been that way for like 3 months now

[cold geyser]

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN

[lament birch]

thats been like that lol

for atleast like 4 months

[cold geyser]

MY BOY

[light harbor]

Indeed

[cold geyser]

MY HERO

[lucid wagon]

who is GP 1

[fringe crow]

Guy who spams double rudder rangemod Minotaur

[ember ruin]

and berates his teammates constantly

[void relic]

you forgot to mention radar

[lament birch]

a uh infamous radar mino that typically explodes within about 5mins

or quicker

[void relic]

despite that

he's still better than the average player

😔

[lucid wagon]

ooh so like warbeasty or LT_JFK?

i remember those two from back then

LOL

[void relic]

all things considered

i prefer GP_1 over

sammysayso

[lucid wagon]

do you guys know who warbeasty was

legendary player

best player ever!

[ember ruin]

what's your pick for worst tier VIII cruiser

[spring flare]

first time tryting out the

[void relic]

you want to know my answer

[spring flare]

u190

dunno why the torps swapo from 12 second reload time to 50 randomly

[ember ruin]

that's why I asked

[lucid wagon]

Nottingham, Ochakov

Nottingham and Ochakov have nothing really good

[void relic]

im half tempted to say nottingham out of spite

[lucid wagon]

also hampster

[void relic]

NO

[lucid wagon]

hampstershire

[void relic]

HAMPSHIRE IS GOOD

[prisma dagger]

Amalfi.. Because.. Nothing like RNG disburtion

[lucid wagon]

are you like hampstershire lover

[void relic]

i will not tolerate this hampshire slander

[lament birch]

I dont find notthing to be bad, what i do find bad is what crack snorting person made the citadel on it

ts out of spite

[ember ruin]

I don't have Nottingham or Ochakov but Shimanto makes me want to eat cyanide

[void relic]

im just petty

[lucid wagon]

nottingham is unplayable for me because the citadel is so awfuk

awful

[void relic]

nottingham having gimped surrey HE makes me

upset

[lucid wagon]

you literally just get citadel through every angle

[lament birch]

The citadel on Nottingham is literally out of spite

[void relic]

but she has neptune level of torps to throw

[lucid wagon]

pure hatred even

[void relic]

ochakov is very

[tawdry turret]

me when Pozharsky :

[void relic]

... meh

[lucid wagon]

D Pozharsky isnt that bad I think

i have 3 back to back kraken in it

[void relic]

i only played ochakov like 3 times but it wasnt that bad of an experience

moreso confusing

[lucid wagon]

but that just may be my undying skill

[tawdry turret]

nice

[void relic]

like why no 12km radar

[lucid wagon]

her guns do like 0 damage lol

[lament birch]

but muh stealth radar

in a tier of 10000 stealth radars

[lucid wagon]

her stealth radar is not even good

[void relic]

20s radar

with 10km???

[lucid wagon]

20s radar and 0.9km

[void relic]

killing me game

[tawdry turret]

kinda quick tho

ngl

[lucid wagon]

0.9km difference

[void relic]

the cruiser she tells you not to worry about

[little abyss]

ochakov at least has stealth radar

[light harbor]

So does Chapayev

[little abyss]

its not good but like

[lucid wagon]

0.9km stealth radar that lasts all of like 2 second

LOL

[little abyss]

their is utility there

[void relic]

shimanto

i kinda enjoyed shimanto

way more than omono

atleast with shimanto i can be a jackass and swing my turrets wherever

[light harbor]

Chapayev had the largest stealth radar in the game before Brisbane I believe

[ember ruin]

Omono is self flagellation manifest

[void relic]

dump out torps

[lament birch]

chappy just gets 1.6km stealth radar lol

[void relic]

omono is just

your turrets stay locked on one side

forever

i do not know how people enjoyed omono

[lucid wagon]

i have never play omono

[ember ruin]

I don't think anyone enjoys Omono

[eager pumice]

Omono more like

Oh no

[void relic]

though it may be a skill issue on my end because im a mobile player

[lucid wagon]

is it so bad i need to try ship?

for Omono

[void relic]

i like turning and whatnot

[light harbor]

I know CastorTolagi is an Omono schill

[void relic]

zig zagging

[ember ruin]

I would accept 5 additional seconds of turret traverse time on Shimanto if it would give me 2 fewer seconds of reload time

15 second reload on a CL is fucking criminal

[light harbor]

15s is long even by heavy cruser standards at tier 8

[tawdry turret]

isnt it a CA

[prisma dagger]

waves at toulon

[void relic]

its a fat reload

i will admit

[ember ruin]

no

[light harbor]

At that point unironically just play Atago

[ember ruin]

150mm guns

[tawdry turret]

o

[ember ruin]

It's a Mogami downgrade

[tawdry turret]

well that is kind of messed up

[void relic]

🥹

it was an easy grind to booster through atleast

[vital sphinx]

hi

[light harbor]

Dark purble

[tawdry turret]

unicoom

[void relic]

pretty sure in my first shimanto game

i had to fight a hull

[lucid wagon]

i think i quit playing utrecht

it is actually tanking my winrate

[tawdry turret]

lmao

finally got a win?

[lucid wagon]

0% winrate 21 utrecht games 1.5 avg kill w/ 122k avg damage

ship is cursed

no

[void relic]

yodo is a guilty pleasure to play

[lament birch]

[lucid wagon]

i get like 2 kills a game in utrecht and NO win

[void relic]

if her arcs were a little more flattened...

[tawdry turret]

[lament birch]

s h i t a h c a r

[light harbor]

Have you heard of this neat ship called Zao

[void relic]

NO

i have not

what is this mythical zao

[light harbor]

You may want to consider her

[void relic]

never

i have kushiro!!

[light harbor]

She has flatter arcs and better armor

Actually usable AP

[void relic]

i mauled a stalingrad from 18km with yodo

[ember ruin]

Zaōdo

[void relic]

mostly cuz they just

held s key

and unsurprisingly its easy to hit a target who is going straight backwards

[light harbor]

Indeed

[pulsar trout]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-gif-26552422

Another day without kitakami…

[tawdry turret]

[light harbor]

Perhaps I return to Moskva today

[void relic]

good luck

[little abyss]

ole reliable

i need to play more pioneer

and fix my winrate

[light harbor]

I'm just out of flags is the problem

[ember ruin]

we have kitakami at home

(kitakami at home:)

[pulsar trout]

Not even close

Grr

I want kitakami

[little abyss]

:(

[light harbor]

[little abyss]

damn

we gotta queue up

[light harbor]

Used to be 42%

[little abyss]

12km radar flank

[void relic]

negative times negative is positive

[little abyss]

pump those numbers up

[void relic]

you will win games

[light harbor]

I have been winning actually

[void relic]

if i join itll turn back to negative farming

[little abyss]

also give everyone running MM a heart attack with a double sub 45% winrate div

[void relic]

rule of negetive³

[light harbor]

I am a winner

[lucid wagon]

@tawdry turret i just find my utrecht stat

[void relic]

nice cat

[lucid wagon]

so bad bro

: (

[little abyss]

provorny gaming

[lucid wagon]

how 2 win in Utrecht?

[light harbor]

Don't lose

[prisma dagger]

#pray you get good dds

[light harbor]

The most boring cruiser build in the world

[tawdry turret]

just un-lose

[light harbor]

But really I have no clue if there's any other optimal build for Moskva

[dry gulch]

Other cruiser builds exist? Maybe some take the fire at tier 2? 🤔

[light harbor]

She's just built like that

[light harbor]

...why would I take DE on a cruiser with 17% base fire chance

[little abyss]

lighthouse moskva

[light harbor]

No

[dry gulch]

Some

[little abyss]

coward

[light harbor]

I am a coward

I will hide behind my 14km concealment

[lucid wagon]

this anger me even more

i win twice in dogshit ship

i win 0 time in very good ship

[dry gulch]

WG needs to rework skill trees, theres only one build for most classes

[light harbor]

I do want to swap my DM/Salem build out though

[little abyss]

wouldnt go that far

some of the skills could use some buffs but

[light harbor]

I want to try out something like this

[little abyss]

there will always be an optimal boring build

[lament birch]

wat i run lol

[light harbor]

Moskva is just one of those ships that works with the boring build

[void relic]

little greedy

[light harbor]

And doesn't really benefit from alternatives

[void relic]

what a big lie

[light harbor]

I'm debating about the 1st skill slot but GTG vs. gun feeder is probably just preference on DM

[lucid wagon]

does anyone have good amiral build

i saw build bot

[lament birch]

for DM you can just drop it cause leg mod

[lucid wagon]

where is that

[little abyss]

if running UU, gunfeeder

[light harbor]

I'll do that then

[little abyss]

standard but you take the 2 pt aa skill for flight reduction

its not worth running flight mod over prop mod

[lucid wagon]

ok

[light harbor]

I should get a dedicated Hawai'i build sometime in the near future

I'm still running my non-IFHE Atlanta/Sandy build on her

[dry gulch]

you mean Hawaii not Hawai'i right

[little abyss]

i tried greeding for tgg, conceal and outnumbered by dropping SE and gunfeeder but it wasnt comfy

[lucid wagon]

oh that was my exact build

[light harbor]

This is fine, but last stand is not really useful on Hawai'i

Neither is SE over TGG

[prisma dagger]

Because hawaii wont stand last anyway

[little abyss]

the turret traverse needs gtg to not outturn and the ship itself is one that wants to swap between HE and AP frequently

and then she just plays so far back that outnumbered wasnt proccing enough

to be worth it

your mileage might vary but that was my experience

[lucid wagon]

I also fxp cassard and i need advice if anyone know how to play that

my fiirst 3 game did not go so well

[light harbor]

Why did you fxp her then?

[lucid wagon]

because i am lazy to grind

[light harbor]

I learnt how to play her by playing the lower tier ships

[little abyss]

she has a fun grind imo

[tawdry turret]

am at L'Ad too

[little abyss]

but uh

[tawdry turret]

but like yea you'll be using that emer boost a lot

[lucid wagon]

usually if i 'grind' it either using reds

or i just fxp to tier 9

[little abyss]

build her hybrid and just outgun everything that outspots you and out torp everything that out guns you

[light harbor]

Use engine boost if you get spotted and need to open up or if you want to go somewhere quickly

You have 5 charges base so no need to be saving them

[lucid wagon]

ok

this call for more alvaro de bazan game

[woven marsh]

Hawaii conceal is ass, tgg is good

[light harbor]

Yeah like I said, that's my non-IFHE Atlanta build

[little abyss]

something like this is my build

[light harbor]

I run this

[little abyss]

but you can honestly build her full gun or full torp and itll be fine

[lucid wagon]

honestly i run hawaii without conceal

lol

[light harbor]

I'd generally recommend running her with full guns or one point into torpedoes

[pulsar trout]

I’m sensing cope

[light harbor]

FB is pretty big on Cassard, so you can take it over RPF if you want

[lucid wagon]

wow what is my hawaii build

is really bad

[light harbor]

If you want a dedicated build, run this

[lucid wagon]

oh im good at hawaii but for some reason i made super dumb hawaii build

[light harbor]

Actually wait what is radar mod doing there

[lucid wagon]

and i have no idea why it is like it

[light harbor]

I might've just tacked it on by default like a dumbass

[tawdry turret]

if it helps u play well then i dont see a prob

[light harbor]

Hawai'i doesn't benefit from radar mod so there's no need

[lucid wagon]

it is really fucking dumb build

it is like no conceal

[light harbor]

Lighthouse Hawai'i gaming

[lucid wagon]

DE heavy HE TGG AR Outnumber CS for alternate commander

my normal commander is really just standard

but i use the weird build more i think

[light harbor]

You can also use this if you're insane

I'm not sure why you would but it is also there

[pulsar trout]

Bestie

What’s the very best z-44 build out there

I’m curious your suggestion

[lament birch]

german dd of despair

ahhhhhhhhhh

[pulsar trout]

Honestly

I like her

[lucid wagon]

bro my two buiilds for hawaii

[pulsar trout]

I had a short loss streak so I’m at like 58% wr but I was at 65%

[lucid wagon]

are so dumb

[light harbor]

Something like this?

It's a fairly standard torpbote build

[pulsar trout]

Mmmmm

I dunno

[lucid wagon]

Build 1 and Build 2. And somehow Hawaii hold both my damage record and my highest avg damage for cruiser

[light harbor]

You can take Swift in Silence over RPF if you want

[lucid wagon]

never let me makehawaii build

[pulsar trout]

I don’t think RPF is a good idea, honestly I think l
I like uhh

[lucid wagon]

but if it work somehow then am i doing anything wrong really

[pulsar trout]

Swift is okay, I pick swift and drop AR for consume expert and the second torpedo skill

[light harbor]

With the torp reload being so low, having RPF for prediction launching is a good idea IMO

[light harbor]

...okay dropping AR is a terrible idea

[pulsar trout]

Honestly, I can see that, but I’m usually able to game sense into just ignoring the other DDs

[lament birch]

drop SE ong

[tall geyser]

duncan asymm

kinda good lowk

[lament birch]

10/10 skill to drop on a dd

[pulsar trout]

I figured you’d say that, but when I typically don’t take any damage in her it’s like

Yanno?

[lament birch]

[light harbor]

Genuinely, the first 5 skills on that build should be mandatory for every destroyer

[pulsar trout]

Why take a skill I very very rarely get anything from compared to a skill I always get something from

[void relic]

pfft

i dont need SE on my shima

[light harbor]

The game should force you to take those

[void relic]

i simply won't get spotted

[pulsar trout]

I’m aware, people have told me that for ages, and I don’t even take it on my shima for that reason lol

[lucid wagon]

I run this as colbert

any improvement

?

[light harbor]

Take prop mod

[pulsar trout]

I’m shrimply better

Why take the extra health if you don’t get shot

[lament birch]

oh yeah i forgot colbert gets griefed by a random buff to its range next patch lmfao

[void relic]

cuz 23k shima feels funny

[pulsar trout]

I actually tuned into a streamer’s stream after I beat them with my z-44 and he was raging about me not taking SE and how I had to be a cheater because I just

Walked around him all game

[lucid wagon]

is there way to set ship tool to Mandarin or if it call it Chinese

[pulsar trout]

Bro called me some VILE names

[lucid wagon]

idk

[pulsar trout]

lol

He actually raged about me even the next day too, and then banned me from his chat when I said Ggs

[light harbor]

Go into settings and check the language options

[pulsar trout]

[lucid wagon]

oh wow they have it

good

[pulsar trout]

Can you remind me what this website is?

[light harbor]

https://app.wowssb.com/

[pulsar trout]

Wahoo

Lemme draw up my z-44 build

[lucid wagon]

just came to mind but wargaming should buff flandre

flandre so bad right now

[pulsar trout]

Blah it’s not working on my phone

[west scaffold]

yeah and wargaming should (insert basic gameplay principle)

you're speaking an echo

[untold thistle]

@lucid wagon did you even sleep

[lucid wagon]

no

i fall asleep for 2 hour and then another 1 hour

so like

[untold thistle]

Fell*

[lucid wagon]

Thank you for correction

[calm ferry]

GUYS

HEAR ME OUT

Hantavirus gamemode

12 ships tries to survive 5 waves of passenger ships contaminated with the virus

Y'all's job is to sink and bombard those cruise ships and make sure nobody passes the red line

[pulsar trout]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-looking-down-ashamed-sad-puppy-gif-22443621