Sin master race general

[echo root]

Cause clueless, faramys doesnt go to ingi/gelk sieges probably me and wladimir are on ingi with much more dps

[grizzled current]

how much do you have in ingi

[echo root]

I think you posted something with 6.4 when i remember right and ingi sins was 7,2 and 7

[grizzled current]

i have complete dogshit fps on that boss

on yaksha its my gear and tanking that puts me to that dmg

i should reach 9-9.5 with better weaving

and maybe sorc in grp xd for -fire res

[echo root]

I think best set up for sin on yaksha is brawler, sorc, sin, sm, supps

[grizzled current]

but then the issue can become aggro

sorc with starting castspeed form outside chanter

[echo root]

If the sorc is desimp yes, otherwise no

But even then you just need to hope ur not the first with brand and u should get back ur aggro if sorc decrease aggro also

Yesterday i socket my full new set but today i need to enchant 🥲 will see if i can get all to +12 and test dmg again

[grizzled current]

im pretty much done

just need 2 swords for mb and macc 😂

[echo root]

U also done with pve mb set? Or you dont want to do it?

[grizzled current]

thats worse atm

then admiral

i have full admiral cloth, 4x 41mb 5cs, 11 macc rolled

last piece is still 27mb 11 macc

[icy dome]

PvE magic acce tho?

[grizzled current]

i have those

aeon neck ring, debil earring

around that in pve setup with 1 ring 1 earring @echo root

[primal garden]

well gonna be fun when dagger drops

everyone had enough time to save because this retarded piece of equipment hasn't dropped for weeks

2bil inc again

[echo root]

Ahh y i mean for casuals its aeon set

I refuse to pay for the quna roll system its 1:1 same shit as transfos on retail its omega pay2win

[primal garden]

you have to

in order to keep up

[echo root]

And i dont think i like playing in 4.0 i wont cash anymore

[primal garden]

unless you mean real money

[echo root]

Before i go for rerolling all sets to perfect stats i will enchant my mb gear for 10% pve dmg against bosses 😂

[grizzled current]

the only reason to go aeon cloth for mb is quna rolls next patch

[primal garden]

no one's playing next patch so does it really matter 😂

[grizzled current]

ye and admiral is just op in pvp too

[echo root]

I rolled all my quna (around 15-16k) and only saw 3 III buffs, 1x resistence 1x cd on devotion/dodge and 1x healing thing

[echo root]

Also only saw 1x pvp buff on II 😂

[grizzled current]

pvp accs with admiral cloth

so vs leather/plate i even have 10% rune crit chance

[echo root]

Like i said for me pvp is done and over, i have solid pvp gear but to go further i need to pay to much also arena times are shit imo openworld is almost grp pvp only no fun to train pvp for a beginner

So best mb for pve is still aoen with pve buff

[verbal pier]

Tbh u can even replace sorc by gladi

It's still 1.7k def reduce each minute during 30s

If gladi is ok to not take aggro then i think it's a good thing to push hard sin dps

[echo root]

But u will lose in killspeed

[verbal pier]

Sure. But look it's not a bad thing

If u kill boss in 11min

U can get 2 times deadly focus and shadow rage

[echo root]

We dont even know if there is a pdef cap right?

[verbal pier]

Nope that's true

I was wondering too about that

[echo root]

I heared some ppl said phaistos had 1500pdef cap but i think thats troll cause then gladdy gets even worse 😂

[verbal pier]

Tbh i would say that yaksha has not that much def too

Even without brands everybody hits rly hard

But it has low crit cap too so ppl have more attack than on phaistos

[grizzled current]

theres also something that not everyone can get

anymore

[verbal pier]

Masta belt?

[grizzled current]

and masta belt ye

[verbal pier]

Oh this too

This title is broken af

[grizzled current]

if you have perma wow ye

[verbal pier]

Yes

Im currently using tiamat stalker. Let's say it's not that baaad

But way less stats

[grizzled current]

10 attack is no joke

[primal garden]

the fuck is that title

[grizzled current]

im nowhere near pushrunns anyway tho

[grizzled current]

your highest rank pre 3.7 gave you titles

[primal garden]

should have stacked ap xd

more i mean

hope they add event to get masta belt in the future

unfair that some people have it

[grizzled current]

they wont

[verbal pier]

U dont need this title ricardo

U need dagger

[primal garden]

i'm waiting bro 😂

but it's been so many weeks

it's out in the open again

if it dropped a bit before

[verbal pier]

Yeah haha

[primal garden]

i'd pretty much have it on lock

[grizzled current]

the longer it takes to drop the higher the price will be i feel like

[primal garden]

but i was retarded and thought cosmos was a good way to get kinah

so i slipped in farming

ofc

because people stacking kinah

[grizzled current]

watch it be some 3 am drop

[verbal pier]

Yes the next dagger will probably be the highest price

[grizzled current]

which i did before to be ready

[primal garden]

i did too

[verbal pier]

I will be mad if i loot sword before dagger

[grizzled current]

[primal garden]

but once again, i thought running cosmos would be a good idea

i'm retarded

extremely

[verbal pier]

No wdym

At start it was expensive af

Now it's dead

[grizzled current]

its sad that droprates so bad in cosmos xd

[primal garden]

if you drop

[verbal pier]

Yes

[primal garden]

i did multiple runs with drop ramen and sm

[verbal pier]

But u can still sell neck 100kk

[primal garden]

nothing man

i haven't seen anything there for a month

[verbal pier]

Sad

[primal garden]

meanwhile clowns on lfg selling 3 items at a time

fuck i hate cosmos

most hated instance

[verbal pier]

For real

[primal garden]

even more than telos now

[verbal pier]

Hahaha

[primal garden]

i'm back to wol and phaistos spam

[verbal pier]

And it's boring af to do

[primal garden]

20kk for 40 mins

i'll take that

[verbal pier]

Im sleeping while playing chanter

[primal garden]

yes it's so shit to run through

at least citadel is engaging

[verbal pier]

Yeah

[primal garden]

you're focusing

[verbal pier]

Engaging for diamonds

[primal garden]

especially running with alts because dps matters for a

well i've dropped 5 weapons in citadel

but i do like 20 per week

[verbal pier]

Yeah look

U are like around 100 runs

[grizzled current]

i did 0 this week

i wonder why

[primal garden]

hahaha

same checka

with chant i mean

[verbal pier]

Man i still have 4 to do tonight

[primal garden]

17 this week total

[primal garden]

please drop 2 daggers

for each of us

[verbal pier]

Hahahaha

I will not loot any dagger

What do u expect?

4 runs and it will be empty af

[primal garden]

some grace

xd

[verbal pier]

😂

[primal garden]

you got cursed by losing the bow

the iunstance doesn't want to give you shit anymore

[verbal pier]

Yeah fr

And the following bow we sold for 700kk

Instead of 1.5

[primal garden]

half

💀

[grizzled current]

imagine getting kinah out of yaksha

i will never see kinah there

[verbal pier]

Diamonds

Are kinah

[primal garden]

just wol duo/trio

fast and guaranteed

phaistos too

[grizzled current]

dagger -2.4b
next goes to ricardo so cant sell

[verbal pier]

Man wol duo is boring

[primal garden]

did 60kk from 3 phaistos 2 weeks ago

then trio

giga fast

[grizzled current]

extends -450kk, -1.2b

[primal garden]

i hope you're right XD

took 3 dps to wol the other day

bitch died after couple glides

formula 1

[verbal pier]

😂

[grizzled current]

i should just buy swords and hope for etenals to sell

[verbal pier]

U saw price for sword bro

[primal garden]

if you have kinah buy 100%

[verbal pier]

They are crazy

[primal garden]

last one went like 700 rihgt?

or am i misremembering

[verbal pier]

Yeah true

Let's say it's cheap

The one before was 2b

[primal garden]

jesus

[grizzled current]

wtf

i didnt see that one

[primal garden]

me neither

that's so retarded

[verbal pier]

Yes u did bid on it checka

It was lionsin that bought it

If i remember well

[primal garden]

wasnt that 1.05 bil?

first sword?

[verbal pier]

Nooo

Way higher

[primal garden]

idr then

i do remember first sword was 1.05

crazy to see another sword going for higher

i also remember ilove got his for 800kk

[verbal pier]

The sword is good

[primal garden]

ye it's good

[verbal pier]

But i dont want to buy it for 1b

When i have wol one

[primal garden]

but if you don't pvp, is it worh 1bil?

i should have went for wol weapons

stuck with double gbg now

like a fucking retard

[verbal pier]

Wol is good. I stack for dagger first

[primal garden]

wet noodle

[grizzled current]

pvp the sword:

-27mb +76 macc for mb set
and +62 macc for macc set

and thats not worth 1b

[primal garden]

why less mb

[grizzled current]

5 manastones

[primal garden]

ah ye

5 slot

[grizzled current]

atm admiral dagger mb mainhand

[verbal pier]

Yeah everything is 6 slots and they decided that the most broken weap had to get 5 slots

[primal garden]

well

[verbal pier]

Idk

[primal garden]

pve weapons always 5 slots

[verbal pier]

That's a bad idea

😂

But well. It's enough like that with salva weap i guess

[primal garden]

do you expect good ideas from the creators of 4.0?

💀

[verbal pier]

Nah

And imagine the brain of the guy that said sin need reboot

[primal garden]

bruh

not just him

whole team agreed to that

this shit is deliberate man

[verbal pier]

But i understand some feelings

Sin is broken in pvp

Even more in 4.x

But

If u reboot classes, reboot everything

[primal garden]

ye but the answer isn't to make the class monke mode

[verbal pier]

Not one or 2

[primal garden]

and more broken at that

they will reboot everything

just doing 1 at a time

[verbal pier]

Tbh im not against a reboot

[primal garden]

next month sm with only fears + dots

[verbal pier]

I mean. They needed it cuz they made shit

[primal garden]

sin specifically, i also think if they wanted to SLIGHTLY streamline the class, it would be fine

[verbal pier]

Yeah

Idk. If all classes get reboot im fine with that. Even if i wont rly play this patch i think

[primal garden]

like, people may disagree but i think the whole rune system is becoming dumb, with the power level that some classes are getting

brawler has 10 sec silence

[verbal pier]

Yeah

[primal garden]

sin needs to carve runs for 3 min silence

or rev that has non dispellable silence

[verbal pier]

Yes but if u reduce silence cd it's broken too

[primal garden]

so i'd be fine with smoothing out a bit some element gameplay, considering sin needs so many conditionals to be fully effective

ye i don't even think you'd need to reduce cd's

[echo root]

You can get governor title, but just the 90days version

[verbal pier]

What i agree with reboot is removing mboost dmg

[primal garden]

i'm not that opposed to that either, expensive ass class

[verbal pier]

Yes

[primal garden]

once again, especially considering these cunts

doing4k magic damage aoe's

without needing mb sets

[grizzled current]

they are different xd

[echo root]

Oh realy?

[grizzled current]

fully pvp focused titles now for the seasons

from hp to pvp deff

depending on ranks

[echo root]

But also 12 attack or no?

[grizzled current]

its always broken of phone

so go codex, titles

type in "former"

[verbal pier]

3%

[primal garden]

@verbal pier honestly, if they wanted to sin more accessible, i think just a rune rework would work wonders

[verbal pier]

Nice

[primal garden]

and still keep the class complex and engaging

[verbal pier]

Yeah rly

I agree 100%

[primal garden]

maybe reduce level of runes or something

3 instead of 5

[grizzled current]

but its more deep then that

esp some matchups

chanter is biggest example when you can always fe the 3rd chain skill

which im to stupid to do

[primal garden]

ofc it's deeper than that

sin has so many nuances

but i mean, if their idea with the reboot would be to make the class more accessible

rune thing would be the go to imo

[verbal pier]

But look. With reboot we dont have 0s cd anymore

2s instead

[grizzled current]

we kinda do

[primal garden]

i'm not talking about the extreme nuances of mus that only 2% of players can engage in

[grizzled current]

all our dmg rota is swift edge + chain

repeat

[verbal pier]

Yeah

[grizzled current]

rune repeat

[verbal pier]

But for runes it will be hard af

U need to do 2 times chains to have lvl 4

[grizzled current]

they dont have magic dmg anymore if fazii translation is correct

[verbal pier]

I wont waste throw dagger just to carve runes

Yes

[grizzled current]

but we have to see

[primal garden]

ye but isn't ripclaw 30 sec now?

like

[verbal pier]

But if i dont say shit on retail it was already like that

And u still needed macc to proc silence and stuns

[primal garden]

and annihilation lv 5?

[verbal pier]

Idk tbf

[primal garden]

pray gf does something right for once ig

even if somehow i kept playing 4.0

i'd reroll to what

everything looks giga retarded

[verbal pier]

None other class are fun as sin. Im too bad on sorc so i wont play that. Chanter is actualy fun to play

[primal garden]

love chant too

2nd favorite class

[verbal pier]

Yes

[primal garden]

but they assassinated him too

[verbal pier]

No

[primal garden]

temp looks fun in pvp ig

[verbal pier]

They never rly liked chanter

[primal garden]

ye

but in 4.0

everyone is broken

[verbal pier]

Temp in pvp yeah

[primal garden]

and then there's chant

[verbal pier]

But it's so slow

And boring to play

[primal garden]

if i'd reroll would be temp or rev

pvp wise

[verbal pier]

Rev seems fun to play

[primal garden]

yup

cool ass class

but they removed all the knockback shit

[verbal pier]

But as i do way more pve than pvp idk

But in 4.0 there is no pve anymore

So why not

[primal garden]

yup

well there's rentus ig

[verbal pier]

Then at this moment sin is broken

And i can keep my gladi and change it into lumines for pve

[primal garden]

lumines brrr

it's prob still the strongest class?

[verbal pier]

I know

[primal garden]

even with nerfs

[verbal pier]

Yes

With cleric and gladi in pve

But i didnt take a look since a lot of time

Maybe it changed

[primal garden]

ye same

i don't watch 4.0 content

makes me sad

[verbal pier]

Im curious for reboot sin

I will take a look tomorrow

[primal garden]

i'll def look at it too

but i'm expecting them to have deleted everything not on that skillbar

[verbal pier]

Idk. I dont think they did that but let's see

If they kept other spells

[primal garden]

happened to gladi

[verbal pier]

Then sin is god tier

Yes but look new gladi

Op build if u compare with sin one

Even if new sin build is not bad at all

[primal garden]

idk

we have to ait and see

[verbal pier]

Yes

[primal garden]

but i 100% expect the worst

[verbal pier]

That's fine. As i said, if they reboot all classes the game can be fun again

"Fun"

[primal garden]

with this dumbed down gameplay?

i don't see it

[verbal pier]

It's a big word but funnier than 4.0

[primal garden]

pray papa gf does something

if not

[verbal pier]

They cant rly do anything

They publish game

[primal garden]

prob not

i mean

[verbal pier]

That's all

[primal garden]

i 100% believe they could push for a perma 3.7 server

they just don't want to

[verbal pier]

U rly think that keeping 3.7 forever will make players stay on the game?

[primal garden]

with the way 4.0 is? yes, more than the "official" version

[verbal pier]

Ppl are already leaving rn

[primal garden]

ye but i'm sure a decent chunk of it is because they know what's coming

[verbal pier]

That's probably a bit true

But what there is to do here? Zerg at 6th camp

And citadel

Where all decent ppl can get A rank

Then only dreds and arenas are fun to do

[echo root]

Dreds are fun?

[primal garden]

ye but that alone holds a lot of people

some dreds

[verbal pier]

Some dreds are rly fun to play

Even if u lose tf it's always fun

[echo root]

Well i dont have premade and whenever i go/get asked its a pve rush bullshit

[verbal pier]

Yeah sometimes it's like that

[echo root]

I liked the concept of dranium/tiarkh 3 party grps

[verbal pier]

But when u have tf it's enjoyable

Yeah. Im not against this

I think it's not bad idea

Unfair but not bad

[echo root]

But why unfair both teams can have idiots and imo you can carry that easier than a random dred gep

[verbal pier]

Yes but if u get randoms and they have good team u are fucked

But yes. If both groups have similar team lvl it's fine

For pve in 4.0 u can play the new multiplayer elden ring @primal garden 😂

[primal garden]

LMAO

true

def better quality

[echo root]

Back to metin2

[lime badger]

Foow lfg chat / discord marketplace to find dagger 😂😂

[verbal pier]

yeah ok true 🤣

[lime badger]

Once you find it, you're done, can quit aion 😂

[verbal pier]

i get it, we do s rank, then 3.7 is done

[echo root]

Ye goal is to get atleast 1x s-rank 😂

And beat the shit koreans on my aion

[verbal pier]

we did work too much on our runs, we need it 😂

[echo root]

But u tank it sideways or what were you doing with ur glad in our run? 😂 We were confused

[verbal pier]

no i dont usualy but here i wanted to play a bit safer for you, idk why

idk gladi tank rly bad dmg

probably the worst tank in citadel

[echo root]

Its ok if u do dp on 4x brand

But yea plate is not made for s ranks

[verbal pier]

and tbh

i never played gladi before, it's dumb said like that but i still look skillbar

i still get decent dps but not as much as expected

[echo root]

Me 2 but its easier than sin, no? 😂

But currently iam not going yaksha wit my gladdy anymore.. dont have pve buff and my cleric sm sorc more useful 😅

[verbal pier]

yes it is by far

[echo root]

And i still think its better on glad using both dp skills + berserk at same time if u have full time wow up

[verbal pier]

tbh i have no idea about that, i dont have the answer

[echo root]

Fk that class anyways 😂

[verbal pier]

Yeah fr, i should have changed this templar to brawler instead of gladi 😂

[echo root]

Ye brawler and sorc no gear but dmg class 😂

[lime badger]

I'm wondering why this tard still didn't get ban, he is red af on my aion, and running as fast as fucking f16 😂

[tranquil wasp]

Any good hybrid, pve pvp stigmas builds? 🙂
and is it mb stones sins use? still valid in 4.0+?

[lime badger]

@tranquil wasp https://stigma-build.fun/calculator/assassin/949db97d-8716-4b04-ab3e-c8eb32652a20 this is a hybrid build you could use, can change light slash for beastly scar for more pve skills, but I don't recommend hybrids for sin 😅
Magic boost gear is still important for sin. Nobody knows which 4.0 version we will get, so can't tell you if it will be useful in future.

[lime badger]

Why the heck all elyos use radar hack.... I was sitting on ass, elyo party running to me, glad nick Supergirl coming to me and using fucking aoe... thats bullshit

and all his party (Limited Edition legion) were buffing when he was running to me.... Nice when whole fucking legion is cheating...

[blissful harbor]

talk to @crude sentinel if he still managed it, he will deal with it

[crude sentinel]

Nobody in the entire legion cheats, and if they do they will be kicked asap, send me a recording or whatever you have in dms, thanks

[lime badger]

They do trust me.

I will start to record and prove it.

[lime badger]

@primal garden its kinda shame to play with Noxin ....

[primal garden]

what

i wasn't playing with him

i was with another group

i know he cheats

[lime badger]

you were running together, i though you are together xd

[primal garden]

nah

just coincidence

i know what he is dw

i have' honor

sorry btw

just saw asmo and jumped

[lime badger]

its ok 😄 i make viedos of him

gonna make 129837129873 reports

[primal garden]

good

fuck the clown

[lime badger]

actually Yorri is not better...

he uses 5 skills in 0.8 second...

[primal garden]

i havent seen that guy

but everyone cheats nowadays

not surprised

[lime badger]

i think only one high rank ely sin with no cheats is @grizzled current , rest of those tards are "boosted"

[primal garden]

ye i see suspicious shit every day

so sad

[lime badger]

yeah game is dying coz of GF doesnt give a shit about that

[primal garden]

ye so sad

only company i've seen that doesn't give a shit

[lime badger]

if failforce will be aion 2 publisher that game is fucked before it start

[primal garden]

i heard they're not getting dick related to aion 2

[lime badger]

good to hear

[primal garden]

i'm sorry again bro 😅

you jumped on ym teammate

[lime badger]

this is part of game 🙂

thought he was alone ^^

[primal garden]

i'm always in hide XD

[verbal pier]

Pussy

[primal garden]

i need ap, can't bleed it more than i currently do xd

[verbal pier]

Hahaha i know dw

Dont talk about dagger @lime badger

Pls

[lime badger]

trust me i feel you

there was only 1 on asmo side....

this weapon has 0.0000001% drop rate ^^

[primal garden]

ye the drop rates are mental

who got it on asmo?

[lime badger]

Garza

1.3kkk

[primal garden]

jesus

all that to camp tempus XD

[lime badger]

i would pay more, but didnt have kinah at that moment xd

now im prepared

[verbal pier]

Same im prepared

But there is no dagger anymore

[primal garden]

yup

think every sin is prepared for that shitter

[verbal pier]

Yeah

Price is going to be crazy

[primal garden]

checka price overthrown?

[verbal pier]

That was already rly high yeah

Bit maybe if it's needed haha

[primal garden]

i think it might

hasn't dropped in weeks

who's really in contest for it?

you, me, ilove

surely there's way mor epeople

[verbal pier]

There is a lot of ppl

Even bad ppl

[primal garden]

fucking christ

gf really has to do a drop event

it's been over a month and some weapons have barely dropped

like

how many people have dagger

when was the last time you saw a fucking staff

[grizzled current]

3 elyos 1 asmo

[verbal pier]

2 days ago. We drop it for our chanter hahaha

[primal garden]

that's prob like the 2nd no?

[grizzled current]

i legit think citadel also had 2x drop in that 1 week where they said its dokkaebi

so many weapons dropped that week

[primal garden]

maybe they fucked up

shocker

but we need one

over a month and people got dick for some weapons

it's so shit

and then when drops happen

only the richest get them

people who don't farm like cock or swipe could legit never get one for over a year

that's bullshit

[lime badger]

@verbal pier did your 7 mins run count as S rank?

[verbal pier]

yes it was 6min58 run but as sorc use delayed spells it takes 2 more seconds on myaion

[lime badger]

Gratz!

[verbal pier]

thx mate!

was close but not our best run tbh, a lot of mistakes

it's still s rank

so we take it haha

[lime badger]

Yeah, you did great job who cares about mistakes 😜

[verbal pier]

true!

[lime badger]

BTW can you tell something to your brawler? Ilmg

[verbal pier]

yes i know

i saw

😂

the "0"? earlier? hahaha

[lime badger]

Yeah, after zerging me in 10 ppl😅

[verbal pier]

yeah i know

i'll tell him

he put 0 each time to troll

[lime badger]

Please tell him to suck my cock as deep as he can 😄

[verbal pier]

🤣

[lime badger]

That's what I want 😄

[verbal pier]

hahahaha ok bro

and sorry, i didnt hit when i saw ur name

but they did

[lime badger]

It's fine 😁

[lime badger]

Thanks 😄

[solemn atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/live/6pmibydDpQM?si=KaLXsZ3oS5E4WiHI

[primal garden]

Ive seen a bit of the stream and its weird

You can legit just play normal sin with the 4.0 buffs

Dont need to engage in this whole reboot shit

Although most of the reboot skills are upgrades

[grizzled current]

well you have to buy all the new skills

[primal garden]

Wdym "have to"

Can just ignore it

[verbal pier]

some maybe, average no bro

[primal garden]

And the way it seems, you can only upgrade the ones you want

[icy dome]

4mil ap for skillbooks? XD

[primal garden]

I saw streams and the guys only had some of the new skills

[verbal pier]

yeah, not all of them are worth

[primal garden]

Can just play current sin with the 4.p part 1 buffs

Yup

Like the double ambush, fucking ass

[grizzled current]

but tell me which one you wouldnt want

ye ok thats 1

[primal garden]

Ill have to check them again

Also

We dont know this new scaling of runes

If may be nerf

Seems not to be magic anymore

[grizzled current]

they say not longer magical dmg

[primal garden]

Ye

[grizzled current]

so not switch need

or only macc

[primal garden]

But we dont know if its fixed like rev and brawler

[verbal pier]

nvm

it's better

[grizzled current]

look at dmg increase of swift edge chain

🤡 clown company

[primal garden]

Ye but cant combo both 😦

Ye that swift edge chain is fucking retarded

[verbal pier]

150% each minutes

[grizzled current]

does ir matter when swift edge is 2x dmg

[primal garden]

Can upgadre swift edge and not deadly focus

Xd

You have double uptime if you keep shadow rage

[verbal pier]

shadow walk is bad

fr

[primal garden]

Ye

Thats another one you keep

Personally i dont upgrade flash of speed as well

[grizzled current]

???!

[primal garden]

Prefer to keep hide 2

[verbal pier]

nah it's 30s cd

[grizzled current]

its hide 1 no?

[verbal pier]

it's insane

[grizzled current]

that you lose

[primal garden]

Pretty sure its hide 2

[verbal pier]

hide 2

[grizzled current]

at change seems matchup dependent

[verbal pier]

but 30s deroot is good

[grizzled current]

the phys evasion there isnt good vs all

[verbal pier]

yeah this one i dont want

i prefer keeping spelldodging tbh

[primal garden]

Ye

[grizzled current]

its 4 magic vs 3 phys/magic

[primal garden]

Def keep current at

[verbal pier]

4 magic will always be better than 3 phys/magic

[grizzled current]

esp vs ranger and brawler

where its alot about debuffs

[verbal pier]

the new ambush idk

i like but removing dash and sneak ambush seems bad

[primal garden]

100% not

[grizzled current]

sin step dash att is just so good

[primal garden]

Lose new chain too

[verbal pier]

yeah

new devo is broken, i love it

pain and needle as well

[grizzled current]

you can sin step, dash, shadowfall

[verbal pier]

new all seeing eye u dont care

or u can but as last spell

venomous sucks

[grizzled current]

new cover is a bit faster

[verbal pier]

yeah

[grizzled current]

no longer need ripclaw

swift edge chain, throw dagger blind silence

[verbal pier]

and bound

wayyy too strong

[grizzled current]

buying venemous is like downgrade

[verbal pier]

yeah 😂

i rly dont understand where they saw improvement in this

[grizzled current]

well they 2x the dmg

but still back break is to good

[verbal pier]

yes

same as new slayer, i dont like it

it makes u tanky af

but u lose oath and flurry

btw

7s attack reduce speed, 7s silence, bound 7s each 30s

not broken at all

[grizzled current]

the issue is

they need to fix its prio

its doomed if it still doesnt overbuff worse silence or atk speed slows

[verbal pier]

true

and we will need to keep macc still

so we still need to switch in pvp

[icy dome]

Imagine silence fails cuz Hallowed strike debuff on target 🤣🤣🤣

[verbal pier]

😂

so

at the end

u need to buy 9 spells

[icy dome]

2.7kk ap

[verbal pier]

already better than spending 4kk ap

[grizzled current]

even temp atk speed slow

[primal garden]

The situation is

[grizzled current]

i havent tested if they changed prio or not in 3.x

[primal garden]

These runes are busted but what if theyre wet noodles, youll trade your 6k radiant?

[icy dome]

For silence/bind every 30s??

Absolutely

[grizzled current]

ye

[primal garden]

Silence bind doesnt matter if theyre dead

[icy dome]

Sin has stupid high dmg anyways

The utility is just massive

[grizzled current]

phys dmg got buffed alot ye

[primal garden]

Ye thats trie

True

Hm

What if new runes are phys

Deadly focus, 10k rune inc 😂

[verbal pier]

hahaha

on pain rune only tbh

silence i will keep macc

[icy dome]

Won't make sense if they're physical

[verbal pier]

i dont want to gamble silence for dmg

[primal garden]

Does anything make sense in this update though 💀

[icy dome]

It's most likely they just make em not scale with mboost much like how Revenant skills are

[primal garden]

Ye i think thats what theyll do

Tbh

Although i dislike that route

[verbal pier]

was like that on retail if i dont say shit

[primal garden]

But i get why

Barely played retail so idk

Also

New devotion is good and all, but do you trade kuller eye?

50% next attack, 500 acc and mac

[icy dome]

You do say shit

On retail u just had high msupp starting 3.x so mboost builds automatically became irrelevant

[verbal pier]

no

it didnt became irrelevant because of that

only because of msupp

but i know they made changes on it later but i dont remember what

[primal garden]

I wanted to make an alt sin to test these out

But theyre kinda expensive

Xd

[grizzled current]

ye msub made mb useless

https://play.sooplive.co.kr/sweetid10/284535192

he has 2 needle runes?

or is it just for both keybinds XDD

he just did a 5.8k rune

[primal garden]

He has 2 fleeing too

This is so confusing

[grizzled current]

also has rune carve still

[primal garden]

Also, funny how soul edge chain seems so broken but everyone still has rune carve XD

Every streamer ive seen still has rune carve

[lime badger]

Where's list of this changes? Can someone link it?

[primal garden]

Im on phone so cant atm

Actually

Sec

@lime badger https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/156eWilvHMSgNQim3bUBZnR_oJsOPrd6dzLwOlsRMVkI/htmlview#gid=71929487

[lime badger]

Thanks Mate!

[lime badger]

Changes seem nice, but I'm afraid when I think about cheaters with such powerful skill dmg... They will one shot everything with no animation...

[primal garden]

Meh, cheaters will always do their thing

Fucking hell

[lime badger]

Yeah but it seems to me that more and more legit players are leaving because of cheaters. While cheaters still playing...

It should be other way around.

[primal garden]

Amazing gf

Fucking clownery

[lime badger]

BTW where is Cheatahira (nanahira) did he get banned?

[primal garden]

No idea

[lime badger]

This one is doing well.

BTW I'm curious, any confirmed asmo cheating sin?

[primal garden]

Asmo sins, i believe there's none at the moment

As far as i knoe

Seems most of the asmo cheaters are rangers

Disgusting class for disgusting players

[lime badger]

Trafialny from asmo is no ani user, but he is 100% pve hero.

[patent kelp]

left playing ig

[primal garden]

Needle rune damage

Ye think ill keep my 4k radiant 😂

[grizzled current]

admiral hits different

[primal garden]

yup, you're giving that up next patch if you go with needle 💀

[primal garden]

ye that's beautiful

[solemn atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbF3QOBnH7Q&ab_channel=탱커킹

😵‍💫

[marsh rose]

Goin back to the topic of the new skills… in my opinion i think these are the best to get…

slayer/pain/needle/fleeing/devotion/all seeing eye/throw dagger

By taking the new slayer form we gonna loose approximately 100ma… but having +1000 stun penetration plus having slayer basically every 30 seconds is OP

Pain/needle… 15 and 30 sec… dmg stun heal/ dmg bind silence… fuckin broken…

Again thats my personal opinion and from sin to sin builds may differ 🙂

[echo root]

Can we not just buy all? 😮

[icy dome]

ofc you'll be able to buy them all, some of them are just not worth it

In a couple cases keeping the old skills is a better option, since you lose access to them once you buy the new ones

[echo root]

why would you lose access by them?

just put that off no?

[icy dome]

not how it works for those new skills

[primal garden]

I would love to make an alt sin

And test all the changes

But these reboot skills are expensive

[lime badger]

Who bought dagger Ely side? 🙂

[primal garden]

me

[lime badger]

Gratz!

How much?

[solemn atlas]

GZZZZZZ

[primal garden]

thanks bro, 2.3

💀

[primal garden]

ty brother ❤️

[primal garden]

so

any tips for last floor of tower?

i destroyed a crystal and it spawned a mob

lmao

[verbal pier]

U need to kill little crystals

Not big one

U kill both little cristals on 2 first waves and 3rd only one

And keep throwing dagger for the boss cuz it has shield and u can remove it

[primal garden]

ah

ok

will try that ty

[solemn atlas]

After u kill 3 times little crystal, boss start cast a skill and appear npc talk with It to get a shield to survive the Aoe

I need start make pve gear to push rank 😵‍💫

[primal garden]

Tt

Ty

[verbal pier]

U can mix pvp and pve btw for gear

Pve buff is useless

[solemn atlas]

10%buff usseles?😵‍💫

How many crit is enough atm pve?

[icy dome]

It doesn't work in Tower of Illusion

So yeah for that specific place it's 100% useless

[icy dome]

650 for basically everything besides the Monday World boss which needs 850

[solemn atlas]

Ahh yee its 10% only bosses, i understood now, thxxx

[solemn atlas]

Citadell too? 650

[icy dome]

Yup

[tranquil wasp]

Anyone has <Reaper’s Victory II> they can show a short clip from? 🙂

[brazen shadow]

how much acc do i need vs block set?

[grizzled current]

cleric can reach around 3.5-3.6, chanter 100 more

[dense shadow]

cleric can hit 3560 with max stat passives and 58 mc belt.

[brazen shadow]

many thanks!

[primal garden]

@lime badger bruh i saw your damage in citadel, crazy damage with signet

what's your mb set? cosmos?

[grizzled current]

admiral should be more rn

[grizzled current]

admiral has 168 more mb and 56 more crit spell

[lime badger]

I don't have any specific set, just use what give me more mb now, have around 1.8 mb. I use signet build for pve since 3.7 release, coz it's better than dash and slash Imo.
But my magic dmg it's kinda low comparing to Timbo 😅

[grizzled current]

ye tim is full admiral so over 2.1k mb without chanter

[primal garden]

ye timbo doing 21k on signet

[primal garden]

ye on yaksha i think it's better

the brand multipliers help big moves so much

i have e50 for mb set

XD

can't even play around with signet

[grizzled current]

im not gonna make a pve mb set

doesnt seem worth it

[primal garden]

ye same

admiral is fucking busted anyway

and if admiral is bis this patch

not gonna enchant a cosmos mb set for pve bonus in 4.0

would rather gamble for weapons with that amount of kinah

[grizzled current]

thats my pve pvp mb values with 1 ring 1 earring magic

[grizzled current]

i think 4.0 changes how it works

any enchanted set gives you both boosts i think

[primal garden]

ah ye the new enchant system

true

[grizzled current]

just that pve set is still better

[primal garden]

ye

[grizzled current]

can switch to pvp set for loot buff at end

[primal garden]

but like, what i don't understand is, is the enchant bonus gonna be the same for both pve and pvp sets?

so i i have cosmos set, i still get status reduction and shit?

[grizzled current]

depends on enchant pof those

ye but you dont want to use that in pvp anyway

[primal garden]

ye ofc

just wondering

need to start waorking on cosmos set

xd

got 0 pieces rn

[verbal pier]

I dont have ap for admiral so i should go on a cosmos one to replace my 50e tbh

It's already good amount of mb won

[primal garden]

ye i need 4kk ap

💀

[zealous pasture]

I spend 2k quna already on mb critspell rolls

Got 0

[verbal pier]

Yeah look. This is shit

[primal garden]

classic

[zealous pasture]

Imagine the 0.8% one with 58 mb 11crit spell and macc

Phew

[verbal pier]

I want to try the dagger sunday to see the diff

[zealous pasture]

Wet dream

[primal garden]

dagger is huge

[verbal pier]

Sin is so bad class when it's about to talk about how much cost good gear

[primal garden]

my dps jumped at least 500 in every instance

ye, rich ass class

[verbal pier]

Insane

[zealous pasture]

Ye u stole my dagger

Bitch

[verbal pier]

Man i needed it

I didnt want to play anymore with shit admiral dagger

And for pvp i won like 40 more attack

I can even remove some crit stone to win 10 attack probably

[grizzled current]

so many called me crazy for buying 1st for 2.4b and look how much price has changed since then

[verbal pier]

300kk less

Is fine

[grizzled current]

bisu was the luckyest one so far

[verbal pier]

I didnt want to buy it at start. But i think i made enough pve until to afford this. But now im poor af

Yeah

[grizzled current]

well no i guess tim was for dropping it

[primal garden]

ye i only started recovering from dagger purchase this week

[verbal pier]

I will loot it soon as i did for sword 2 days after buying it

[primal garden]

at least sword is relatively cheap now

[grizzled current]

ye ill buy another sword at some point for macc

[verbal pier]

500kk is cheap and expensive at same time

Tbh i wont spend any kinah anymore i think for a few moment now i have both of them +15 😂

[grizzled current]

i wont enchant a salv sword anytime soon

depending on how the 4.0 pvp weapon system ends up i might do it at some point

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1039500092673097749/1385551901998710824/image-120.png?ex=68567b43&is=685529c3&hm=453c4172de9404edb576988df53b684981ae3ea48be79b90e2a19934de5f1773& @primal garden

text in bottom explains it

for equal stats the highest counts

[primal garden]

ah

gotcha

ty bro

[zealous pasture]

Admiral dagger he says I have Padma bro

[verbal pier]

It's good, wdym

[zealous pasture]

But I want to play double para

So I need dagger

[echo root]

imagine making 6. place with an alt which i just lvled to 60 today 😂 only starter gear + bought 2 earrings xD

[verbal pier]

goat

[primal garden]

@lime badger why did you kill our rank 6 pve alt sm?

in citadel entrance

what the fuck is even the point dude

[lime badger]

sorry mate, was running around map , couldnt find even 1 ely

so went there just for fun xD

didnt expect you will allow me to kill anybody there xD

[primal garden]

you'rejoking i assume

[primal garden]

.

from hide

[lime badger]

sorry, i wont touch em anymory, calm down mate 😛

[primal garden]

i'm calm, just a douchy thing i wouldn't expect you to do

[lime badger]

as i said, was just bored, there is nobody to fight on map, game seems dead

[vapid gyro]

Understandable seeing the number of cheaters running around

[lime badger]

Imo thats no animation hack, what do you think guys?

https://myaion.eu/PvESession/5576649 it's from this run, seems like frustrated guy wanted be top and used some cheats 😅

[patent kelp]

think he would risk full +15 account?

[lime badger]

Check his previous runs, before today.

11 minutes 1250 hits total

Today less than 9 minutes 1260 hits

He doesn't risk anything, nobody ban cheaters here... It's just kinda shame for him.

It's not normal to get 15-20% faster in using skills than himself before and others 😅

[primal garden]

Isnt that the guy always accusing timbo of the same shit?

[icy dome]

yes

[primal garden]

Comical

Clowns staying clowns

[ebon copper]

wdym risk? not like they really do anything against cheats in this game

[echo root]

Why risk, they dont get baned anyways 😅 this run is 100% prove cheating

[icy dome]

Gameforge doesn't accept MyAion as proof of anything anyways
So there's no risk anyways

Not like they ban anyone even with proof...

[tranquil wasp]

Not even with 3-4 recordings. xD

[raven mauve]

WTS

[lime badger]

why so cheap?

[raven mauve]

🙂

[raven mauve]

he has para on it now

[haughty widget]

hi checka . can you share your pvp set MBoost ? plz

[zealous pasture]

admiral mboost

[grizzled current]

https://aiongear.fun/enu/na30/assassin?build=a9dbfbc9-7b9a-489f-bdd2-3a6a4b828177

[haughty widget]

ok , ty . i have 1700 . miss duna 41MB/parts 😉

[grizzled current]

hits like a truck

also end up with around 10% crit spell vs most targets

[tranquil wasp]

Is that pure pvp? Or can mb set be used in pve also? And is mboost in 4.0.valid?.

[patent kelp]

yes
yes
yes

[echo root]

So new accs are worth than the mb ones? Or fo you only have them cause they have more macc?

[grizzled current]

ye they have tp much macc to pass on them for pvp

[grizzled current]

the macc is needed and the crit spell is bonus xD

[icy dome]

PvP atk makes up for the missing mboost and yeah the maac and CS are massive

[echo root]

well ok but its only pvp anyways :p imo pvp is deadge or full of cheater now, i guess i will just stay on my lv50/55 gold accs xD its not that big difference except macc i think

[verbal pier]

arenas and dred are still there, ow is a bit broken rn with cheaters yeah but let's hope it will change

[echo root]

i dont see the reason to run dreds its mostly pve rush anyways and you almost get no rewards

arena i dont like the time change you cant just buy tickets anymore and do multiple arenas in one day so mostly i just forget to go also my last arenas was either free win or a known player i cant beat with my avg skill xD

[lime badger]

It won't change mate, game is going to die very soon. OW is already dead, there is not much PVE or PvPvE content. People leave the game everyday.

[echo root]

for the most already pvp died last patch 2.8 only going pheistos and when runs were over play something else

same now with yaksha

[lime badger]

Yeah... But PD was more demanding and rewarding. Citadel is another braindead instance, with 5% drop rate.

[echo root]

for me is more fun going to try s rank but still going with 4-5 twinks a week too to drop some diamonds

droprate should be around 10% but its feels different

[patent kelp]

1.9 best patch fr

[echo root]

1.9 with the combat update that you can use skills while flying would be awesome ye

[vestal steppe]

@grizzled current do you have aiongear of all ur pvp gear?

[patent kelp]

hes not selling account yet

[vestal steppe]

just wanna check stats

[grizzled current]

https://aiongear.fun/enu/na30/assassin?build=439f970f-836d-4fa6-8e8b-69b4a4ec465f

[vestal steppe]

Thanks

[patent kelp]

no leather cav gloves?

for attack speed

[grizzled current]

why would i sac 17 macc

[patent kelp]

8 attack speed

mnmcute

[grizzled current]

makes 0 diff swapping