#💬┊suggestions-discussion

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sage meadow
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lords mobile "lore" LULW

sonic beacon
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Honestly never noticed that it was ever added.

true sorrel
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1+1 Event should come Monthly IGg will earn more and P2P players will also get benifit

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Buy one get one Free

spiral marsh
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Labyrinth and Freaking Tycoon Updates !!

marble cave
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I realize among the P2P players my suggestion to change the migration restriction is unpopular, but that's because the P2P players enjoy the easy targets. If the idea is to protect the new players from getting discouraged from playing because the experienced players wreck them constantly, you're doing it backwards. Many P2P players make new accounts and buy packs to boost them and wreck those very players anyway. Just seems to me like another way to coerce people to spend money.

spring palm
marble cave
spring palm
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well when it opens up non-spenders can also rush in PES_Happy

marble cave
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No, we can't, if you're using my example.

spring palm
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marble cave
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No, you're just not underatanding my point.

spring palm
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a non-spender should never have special privileges just because they dont spend.

sonic beacon
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50 million accounts can migrate to any kingdoms for 1 scroll.

marble cave
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If age is the restriction, what are they protecting?

spring palm
marble cave
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If someone who played for 2 years F2P and has 50 million might more or less dangerous to a new player than a P2P player with 150 million might and they've played for 6 months?

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Is*

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Clearly you're thinking of it from a P2P perspective if you think the F2P is a greater threat.

marble cave
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spring palm
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Im not twisting your example, because thats literally what will happen.

marble cave
spring palm
marble cave
marble cave
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If IGG wants to claim this isn't a pay to win game, they should make it more balanced. If they want it to be Pay to Win then they should stop trying to pretend it's not.

spring palm
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Theres no “win” so its not pay to win

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Its an open world online game. You’re literally interacting with other people. You cant “win” by spending. You cant “win” by being a nonspender. theres no “win”

marble cave
sage meadow
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if ur f2p 50m might after 2 years ur just logging in every month to click help

marble cave
spring palm
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Hi czy 3HC_hand 3HC_hand2

spring palm
marble cave
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lean rune
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Tbh, if you're in a good guild, you can get enough coins for a migration scroll in a week or so (or even less)...you would usually need 1 scroll to migrate around at 50m - 150m might, so tbh migration isnt really "restricted" for f2p, it just depends if your guild's leadership is smart enough to pick a kingdom where you can farm peacefully

Low might leads do exist, you can see some players at around 700m might with full mythic champ. That's why migration is restricted based on account age, and maybe migration scrolls if your account is large enough in might (and also you'll most likely get slapped by every other player as a 50m might f2p player, the only thing that changes is who is going to zero you)

I personally think the current restrictions for migration are fine (eventhough we had to wait for over a year for a new kingdom to open)

marble cave
lean rune
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If you played your cards right, you're supposed to unlock T4's after a year as a f2p player, which is usually around 100m might or so, 50m might in 6 months is definitely doable

marble cave
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I never said it was impossible.

lean rune
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My question is: how would you change the migration restrictions? Because might is a poor way of judging the strength of an account. The suggestion said "change migration restrictions" without a suggested method that could be more efficient

marble cave
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When I started, there weren't all these guides, and people in game were about as friendly as the people here in this chat.

marble cave
lean rune
marble cave
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You're missing my original point, which is that not everyone understands there's a migration restriction on the age of the account, until they try to migrate.

lean rune
marble cave
lean rune
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Well...for starters, migration isnt really "restricted" , even in the newer kingdoms, you can migrate upwards into other restricted kingdoms that are slightly older (not talking about open kds)

marble cave
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By the way CZY, can you direct message me? I would like to speak to you privately unrelated to this chat. It will not take long, and you can block me afterwards. If it's against the rules to ask, I was unaware. My in-game name is H4ppy H0b0, or you can message me here.

marble cave
# lean rune Well...for starters, migration isnt really "restricted" , even in the newer king...

When I spoke of restrictions, I specifically mean the age restriction. Just as might isn't a great indicator of someone's ability to play the game, either is age. I just feel might is a better indicator because with higher level might comes the ability to use higher level troops, and stronger walls/defense/stats. From a satellite view, might would be a better indicator than the age of the account. I'm not dismissing the argument about armor; perhaps they can assign point values to armor/might/research etc. and use the overall score as a way to determine who should be restricted. Nothing is ever perfect when its first suggested. That's why I'm here, to iron out the kinks, but it's difficult to do that when people just outright dismiss your suggestion because they are benefiting from the current system. It's like expecting the rich to give up their tax loop holes to benefit the lower income - never going to happen.

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Might would be a better indicator of the strength* of the account

chrome atlas
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but then what would happen if a low might rl migrates

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then people will complain that theyre getting burned unfairly

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age is a good measure because if a f2p and p2p start at the same time the p2p will absolutely end up with a better account

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marble cave
gusty summit
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If you wanna migrate to a new kingdom, just open a new account. You can hit 50m within 2 months as f2p now

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No point whining because your 2-year old account can't move to k1000

marble cave
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gusty summit
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Your name explains a lot.
FYI it's not a flaw. If you want igg to make migration restrictions based on player might and not age, well you'll see those super low might beast accounts move easily to new kingdoms and fuck em all up. And guess what? You'll get zeroed too.
And I'd appreciate it if you can stop pinging me repeatedly. Once is enough

marble cave
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And I would appreciate it if you learned how to have an intelligent conversation, but I guess we can't all get what we want.

gusty summit
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Resulting to insults simply because you no longer have a point. Matureflexdisorder

marble cave
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Sorry, who started with insults?

chrome atlas
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what if this guy migrated in. relatively low might with good gear (dk who this is got it off the internet)

marble cave
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I just simply pointed out that the way you're going about trying to make a point demonstrates your lacking of intelligence.

gusty summit
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There's a 250m guy running around with mythic champ

chrome atlas
marble cave
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Yes, you were able to find an exception, so that must mean everyone is like that one player.

chrome atlas
gusty summit
marble cave
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Actually, I didn't. I responded to you in kind.

chrome atlas
gusty summit
chrome atlas
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so far all ive seen is u insulting people

gusty summit
marble cave
gusty summit
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Lmfao. Hilarious you consider that an insult

marble cave
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No, you opened the door. I was being cordial.

gusty summit
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Anyways, I'm done with my contribution. If you wanna move to a shiny new kd asap, open a new account.
If you're waiting for igg to make migration restrictions based on might, then I'm afraid you're gonna be in that kd for a long long long time.. good luck flexdisorder

marble cave
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If you can't have an intelligent conversation without putting someone down or dismissing their suggestions, you're really not worth talking to. You dismiss things when you can't make a sound argument.

gusty summit
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Your suggestion was shit. How's that for intelligent conversation

chrome atlas
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There already is restrictions based on both might and account age. If you're f2p and 50m might then you're just gonna have to sit in a bubble because that truly is all u can do

marble cave
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Haz - according to IGG, the restriction is not on might what so ever. I came here after speaking to them about it.

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The restriction is age based, unless I was misinformed.

gusty summit
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Ugh. Another ping.

chrome atlas
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Then needing extra migration scrolls to move to a kd where you are in the top 100 might isnt a restriction?

marble cave
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Not in the same way.

chrome atlas
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More so cos u cant buy migration scrolls with gems

gusty summit
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marble cave
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Anyone can get more migration scrolls. You can't roll back the age of your account.

chrome atlas
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it takes 20 days of max helps to get 1 migration scroll

marble cave
chrome atlas
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and you need 90/100 i cant remember which if youre going to be the highest might person in the kd

gusty summit
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Fkin hell stop pinging me

chrome atlas
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which is a very long time of guild coins

marble cave
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Absolutely

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I'm not arguing that it's not.

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The difference is, that is something you can eventually overcome.

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I can never roll back the clock on my account. I can however get enough scrolls to move to said kingdom.

chrome atlas
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ofc its something u can overcome thats the whole point

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if you can never be top in ur kd then there will never be anyone in it at all

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because as people leave no one new can join

marble cave
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How can you never be on top in your kingdom as P2P?

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If the restriction is based on average might of all currently in the kingdom, it would be more balanced.

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Or average plus x amount of might.

chrome atlas
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so if theyre higher than the average might of the kd they cant join?

marble cave
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You're too quick to jump to conclusions. This is a suggestion-discussion board. I made the suggestion, and clearly stated above that it had kinks to work out.

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I never said I had all the answers. Often times it requires discussion to fully work out a good suggestion.

gusty summit
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This conversation is so pointless lol.
Well I hope igg implements your suggestion.. so I can drop might then find you and zero you in the new kingdom flexdisorder

marble cave
chrome atlas
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e.g. this conversation

marble cave
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I couldn't agree more.

gusty summit
marble cave
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chrome atlas
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good because the logic was destroyed by a 'troll' and me

marble cave
chrome atlas
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there have been many good ideas without scrutiny

gusty summit
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Account age is a pretty good restriction.
There won't be influx of old Titans in new kingdoms.
Before that update, war guilds always migrate to new kingdoms the day they open and fuck up all the newbies there

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I remember how that was

marble cave
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I was here for the old kingdoms, and they were no worse for F2P than what we currently have.

gusty summit
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Now, new kingdoms have like 6 months of peace... Allowing new players to learn more about the game before they get exposed to the brutality of open kingdoms.
Only problem they got are the p2ps in their kd

marble cave
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Maybe they were worse for the P2P players, I can't speak to thatm

chrome atlas
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f2p will always be bullied no matter what kingdom, age restriction, might restriction, anything

gusty summit
chrome atlas
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thats the law of a heavily p2w game

gusty summit
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Yeah lol

marble cave
gusty summit
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And the fact you considered someone pointing out that you're whining an insult, simply shows that you're a dumb asf kid.
I ain't got time for immature brats. Have fun

gusty summit
marble cave
gusty summit
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I'm f2p too FeelsStrongMan

chrome atlas
gusty summit
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Heyyy! I'm very patient Worryfrog
Imagine if it was someone else I won't mention Worryfrog

spring palm
tender oriole
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There’s many illegal things in this game right, can’t y’all just add a thing that requires verification like those google form ones like “click the bicycle” things and verify it’s a human playing once in a while ? That would help and make people happier

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I don’t see a disadvantage in this

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Would that count as a suggestion Worryfrog

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Even Netflix has it “are you still watching” type of thing

ionic harness
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No we aren't watching

tender oriole
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Well then it pauses

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And then it boots u out flexdisorder

amber sorrel
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The migration restriction based on might has to be an odd one especially because once there you grow in might so do you eventually plan to have them implement that you can't stay if X might because that's dumb, also that means if someone has an old account that like others said has low might great gear and gold heros just comes in and rules everything, the suggestion actually is not very intelligent in effectiveness, thought, or even implementation.

marble cave
# amber sorrel The migration restriction based on might has to be an odd one especially because...

Your reply makes absolutely no sense, unless you're trying to be a troll. Did anyone say you can't stay if x might? No. What I suggested is that you don't use the age of the account as the restricting factor.

The entire point of having a discussion about something is to explore it so that you can see it from sides you previously did not. Clearly the lack of intelligence is on your part. If you have low might and great gear, you're most likely a very experienced player, which I also addressed above when I said they could simply change my suggestion and use a points system. (Every piece of gear is assigned x points based on attributes. The same would apply to research, etc.)

No idea, when first thought of, is perfect. It requires refining, which is what a discussion is for. When people like you come along and shit on every idea before its explored, the game goes stale, or you end up with a game environment where people act like trolls and attack anyone who attempts to improve the game.

Wow, come to think of it, your response is a perfect example.

amber sorrel
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Let's start with lack of intelligence, you whom have taken a break from the game and came back being weak and only 50MM completely complaining about being owned constantly and wanting kingdom migration of new kingdoms restricted by might instead of age so you could possibly go to a low might kingdom and feel kinda safe until that kingdom opens to everyone. It shows a lack of intelligence on your part, a whiny whoa is me mentality, and honestly has to be one of the dumbest most unintelligent suggestions ever made here. Congrats.
I've played almost 6 years have seen many changes in favor of f2p and a lot of new packs implemented to help low spenders make ground, also I have 4 f2p accounts that in 2 months were over 50MM so just admit you suck at this game and probably should have stayed away

loud knot
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I suggest that it be made possible to select a specific number of shields and deploy so that one shield expires and the next one automatically deploys.

The reason being, many of the players have many 4 hour shields which is very short, if we have this option, we will be able to use them as well.

sage meadow
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too much text. what's even being suggested? i think migration scroll cost based on some other points ranking makes more sense than might ranking. point system from research might, p2p heroes and gear and familiars.

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3b might account with trash garbanzo gear needs 90 migration scroll but 300m mythic champ RL needs 1 scroll

mossy gust
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yikes... i gave up reading half way through that war and peace about migration restrictions Worryfrog

amber sorrel
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@sage meadow he wants kingdom migration restriction based on might not age of account for new kingdoms

sage meadow
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idk how the new kingdoms work are u just not allowed to go there if your account is too old?

amber sorrel
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Yes it starts in normal locked only brand new accounts, after that time it's locked to any account older than X amount of days, then again X amount of days old are allowed, lastly it's wide open

sage meadow
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if u want to get away from a kingdom with big hitters there are plenty of old kingdoms that are super dead u can migrate to lol. but i suppose if ur 50m might everyone is a threat. can't expect to find a kingdom with everyone playing at snails pace. besides someone can just spawn a new acc in a new kingdom spend $100k and start wrecking everyone.

gusty summit
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And dude calls everyone who doesn't agree with his dumb suggestion "an unintelligent troll" lmao

sage meadow
amber sorrel
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Right its funny it's why I went in on him I was like so when this happens will this be the next suggestion and he was like that's not what i meant blah blah blah

marble cave
amber sorrel
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@marble cave ok listen here you unintelligent babbling child, you have the dumbest suggestion, you suck at lords and cry all day. Get a diaper change and a nap and try and figure out how to Uninstall the game since you can't comprehend how this game works

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Your suggestion makes no sense you want to go by might, also adding points to gear and stuff aka you want a safe space kingdom to play Farmville we get it, you just can't comprehend what the adults are telling you

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@gusty summit sorry for the ping, but here he goes again lol

marble cave
amber sorrel
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Your reply makes absolutely no sense, unless you're trying to be a troll. Did anyone say you can't stay if x might? No. What I suggested is that you don't use the age of the account as the restricting factor.

The entire point of having a discussion about something is to explore it so that you can see it from sides you previously did not. Clearly the lack of intelligence is on your part. If you have low might and great gear, you're most likely a very experienced player, which I also addressed above when I said they could simply change my suggestion and use a points system. (Every piece of gear is assigned x points based on attributes. The same would apply to research, etc.)
These are your exact words, which means you don't want just might limits but also add "might" to gear and such so that it makes your kingdom even "safer"

marble cave
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You really can't comprehend English can you

amber sorrel
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So basically I could have a 5 year old account with all mats in cabinet but no gear built all the gems and speeds needed for mythic champ, gold heroes, and t5 research. Migrate to your low might kingdom, join overlord guild, get research title and speed thru hero upgrade all gear builds and all research and wreck the kingdom

marble cave
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My original suggestion was separate from that part of the discussion. It's called fleshing out an idea. Sometimes, your idea evolves through discussion. I realize you're used to mommy doing all the thinking for you, but here, adults do the thinking.

amber sorrel
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Oh no your idea had no evolution possibility

marble cave
amber sorrel
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It was DOA

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It was your suggestion so tell me how my logic defeated your original idea

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Oh look family attacks when I stated nothing shows me you can't handle being rejected

high lava
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oh look another shitty discussion going on whats happening LULW

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oh look i ended the shitty discussion

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job done fh_KEK

serene sableBOT
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dynoSuccess Wasted#1525 has been warned. || keep the discussions civilised, please refrain from personal insults.

mossy gust
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Damn, for someone that talks so much about having an intellectual conversation. He really knows how to talk like a 5 year old that doesn't like when he's wrong... actually embarrassing

amber sorrel
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Hey chu

marble cave
# amber sorrel Hey chu

Haha, this is so pathetic it's actually funny. I'm the one being uncivilized because I responded to the trolls... Interesting take on things... Enjoy having to buy your way through the game. Clearly you need all the help you can get.

mossy gust
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You clearly never been against a war guild that keeps might low (600mm -800mm) to enable them to migrate freely

amber sorrel
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Oh no what ever will I do in this game I have played everyday for almost 6 years

gusty summit
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Lolz... Basing migration restrictions on gear and research lmfao.
This was entertaining to say the least

amber sorrel
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@still abyss in the Feb update they have sanctuary swapping out low might troops for higher tier and making production better

rocky coral
gusty summit
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If you mean instant reports that cover up guild chat when you hunt a monster or attack someone, then you can turn it off. Just check under settings/functions and turn off "instant reports"
@mossy gust

mossy gust
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Thanks Asa and Guy. I never knew about the setting. I'll remove my suggestion

vapid lodge
sage meadow
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aw hell ys BP event

spring palm
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@high lava best suggestion ever PepeVibe

autumn crescent
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Where can i give suggestions directly to IGG? Through game?

vapid lodge
autumn crescent
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Oh okay thanks

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Then it would be great if they add searching for kingdom maps to find something easier and in turf quests i'd welcome some counter, for example you have to build 5 infirmaries and behind that could be written how much of it you've done already, like this (4/5)

ashen hamlet
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Counting to 5 is so hard

autumn crescent
# ashen hamlet Counting to 5 is so hard

Geeeeez it was just a fckin example >_< i've got now quest that I have to hit a monster 80 times. How can you know how many times have you hit it already? Would you count every single hit especially when you did some hits in the past?

ashen hamlet
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Counting to 80 must be some next level shit

ionic harness
mossy gust
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The world chat would be nuts. Imagine the chaos that would be uncovered. It'd be discord general x1000

gusty summit
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Sounds neat tho... But super complicated

spring palm
mossy gust
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I think even a timer would be rough. Maybe filters like per 100 kingdoms or language etc. Normal kingdom chat can get crazy when people argue in a foreign language

ionic harness
mossy gust
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Lol it'd be 90% prince getting flamed

patent marten
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people can't vote if there are 8 suggestions in 1 messages

spring palm
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@supple talon on your #1, no, just no. Even if the economics are different in countries changing the prices to be cheaper than another could lead to everyone using a vpn to just get cheaper packs.

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#2 i agree
#3 thats wayy too many heros and fams on wall thats OP
#4 i dont get what you mean

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#5 disagree, that would crowd kingdoms
#6 yess that would be fun
#7 NoTears wtf thats insane discount, im on board for discounts but maxed heros and stars for half price? NoTears
#8 well a membership to GIVE you tomes would be nice, but not to reduce research tome cost

mossy gust
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Not keen on less than 5 minute rallies. Seems too harsh. Imagine getting burnt because you went to toilet yellowducky

spring palm
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1minute emp rallies KEKWhands

supple talon
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I'm not saying base it on location. I'm saying base it on sales. If a certain pack isn't being bought by more than 10 percent of total players. But if reduced by 50 percent sales would go up by 150 percent etc

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15 heros are not to much if a maxed out wall and Maggots equipment can't even last a minute in a rally.

spring palm
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Lmao 15 heros on a wall

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do you understand how heros work?

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200% squad attack for a single hero, +the army HP and attack, thats crazy

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although yes i feel like making useless packs cheaper might be a good-ish idea

mossy gust
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I have thought on how elite tycoon would work. But I don't know if it'd be worth having same format as labyrinth given how much more expensive and difficult tokens are than stars

I do think however that Voodoo Shaman should be removed and more cycles should be introduced for newer monsters.

Another option would be the ability to choose between set rotations for that week if new monsters were introduced given the increase in rotations required to go back to the one you want

So week 1 - champ or venom
Week 2 - halos or pearls
Etc

high lava
sage meadow
ionic harness
ashen hamlet
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You also can't say Mandela or Free Tibet, but people don't seem to mind that.
Can't say accessories, which is nuts as that's an in game item.
Georgia, sucks if you live there...
So many silly censored words.
But you can say shithead

mossy gust
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Still silly to censor "the longer" though regardless.

Yes! Not being able to day accessories is nuts! It's literally part of the gear set in the game

spring palm
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you can say cunts, shits, bullshit, and more

ashen hamlet
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Exactly. Censor out the swears if they must, but be consistent in not making it random and ridiculous.
Indisputably.

dusty basin
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You guys chat in game?SpongWhat

ashen hamlet
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Yeah. You have to say "r4 clear board" every 10 minutes or the game implodes

vagrant tundra
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That message has gotten so annoying Worryfrog

boreal igloo
chrome atlas
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You also can't say 'damn' which is also stupid

rocky coral
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@bleak tendon why does igg have to give republic Day gifts KEKWhands

rocky coral
vagrant tundra
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It’s my annual give me gifts year, igg

bleak tendon
mossy gust
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Lol yea damn is another good one. My auto correct comes up with "dam" now I use it that much in game

bleak tendon
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Nice auto edit

mossy gust
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Hate having spelling errors, even on something as silly as discord

median trellis
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I need a new code, can anyone help me with this?

primal glen
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Kungfupanda

mystic wharf
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65

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737â‚č7â‚č7â‚č7yellowducky Worryfrog WeebsOut

median trellis
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Thanks a lot

loud knot
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I suggest that it be made possible to select a specific number of shields and deploy so that one shield expires and the next one automatically deploys.

The reason being, many of the players have many 4 hour shields which is very short, if we have this option, we will be able to use them as well.

spring palm
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A way to combine shields; yes, but auto using shields? Thats dumb especially as some people have 1000s of 4 hour shields, there would be no targets, and no fun

mossy gust
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There's plenty of auto shield fuckery going on already. Imagine stacking shields for like 4 years KEKW

hot sluice
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ПроĐČДт

merry saffron
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The kung fu panda skin should have stat boosts on it as it's a lot of work for something which is "just for show".

gusty summit
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Remember Saint Seiys skin

sonic beacon
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They have stuff in common for sure

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Both aren't castles for starters

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I would rather have had a kongfu panda statue inside my turf and then The Jade Palace as the castle skin

sage meadow
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then u have to buy star scrolls. i'd rather have all skins be purely cosmetic like every other game does.

unreal imp
honest pewter
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When igg add new vergeway stages ?

vapid lodge
frosty terrace
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Is there list of forbidden words in game? Asking for a friend pepeNote

ornate cobalt
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Yeah lol

mossy gust
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yes, a load of normal words in english, but offensive in other languages

empty swallow
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I want to see a Baby Yoda hero

marble cave
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hi guys , i have a problem with arena ! It writes that my guild can not register in arena because it doesn't have 30 castels over lvl 17 , but all my guild has only castels lvl 25 :)) . Does anyone else has this issue too?

sonic beacon
mortal pasture
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Scale up temper. The levels give the same boost, at least for MH gear yet cost more astralite.

vapid lodge
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@cursive delta it's not random

vapid lodge
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Buses are against the rules of this server. Rule #6.

random thistle
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Wrh

high lava
wild pecan
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@vagrant tundra

vagrant tundra
wild pecan
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@rocky coral 💯

vagrant tundra
rocky coral
marble cave
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?warn 917666572477280256 no referral links

serene sableBOT
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dynoSuccess ЖаĐČат#2171 has been warned. || no referral links

sonic beacon
rocky coral
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@patent marten they do tell you 24 hrs before about update without 8hr shield so just put a 3 day shield Worryfrog

patent marten
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no they don't :v many maintenances come out of no where

high lava
cursive delta
sonic beacon
# high lava thats the stupidest argument i have heard all year the orbs monster chests, and ...

Lol. You need 1600 brilliant orbs per familiar. I have done every orb hell with brilliant and I'm at 1000. No f2p will ever get even close to get it and yet you can still get it for free in game.

It's a stupid argument that there shouldn't be a say to get Astralite for free. I already have 36 from free events. So not only is it a stupid argument, it's pointless as it's already been given out for free

sonic beacon
patent marten
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anyone else thinks jade wyrm fam should be in extravaganza and bargain store?

dusty basin
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Nah

patent marten
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why?

dusty basin
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It would take a long time to maxed it, since both event are not appear frequently

patent marten
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better than nothing, having it at adult is way better than not having it at all

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other p2p fams are also not frequent but many f2p already got 100+ runes

dusty basin
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Rather than put it in extravaganza or bargain it’s better to add it to tycoon imo

south stirrup
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@marble cave you're also able to tell they're bots for multiple other reasons. If you just look at the map you'll be able to spot a few anywhere
These are all clues I've found myself and it usually only takes looking at the player's name to know that they're a bot but here's the other tips:

  1. Their name always starts with a capital letter, never has any numbers or special characters in them, and is just a random string of letters that is able to be pronounced but doesn't mean anything in English
  2. They're usually in a guild that starts with the initials QY and the guild name is just some random words.
    3.Also in the guild, it's usually 80 or 100 people and all of them are r1 except for the leader. There might be some actual players in these guilds that thought they were in a real guild and joined it lol
  3. These accounts will usually be doing something, whether it's hunting a monster and doing like 5% damage or gathering resources from a tile nearby, and this tile could literally be in a 200 mile radius from their castle cuz they like to go far away sometimes

If you attack one of these accounts they won't attack back and I don't believe they shelter but I have no backing behind this so happy grinding!

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I used to play this game religiously a few years ago lol

south stirrup
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Oh really

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Dang guess I'll have to step up my investigative skills

vapid lodge
south stirrup
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Huh, good to know

vagrant tundra
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Y’all don’t think light weaver is hot PepeHands

south stirrup
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Bro she looks like the girl from Subway Surfers if she didn't have access to technology for 10 years and became caveman

vagrant tundra
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There are lots of cute anime girls who are that old too PepoThink

vapid lodge
lean rune
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?Warn @wild pecan no referral links

serene sableBOT
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dynoSuccess ЖаĐČат#2171 has been warned. || no referral links

sage meadow
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does dragite store close when you get gold boomdude?

ionic harness
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?warn @peak token buying and selling of codes isn't allowed!

serene sableBOT
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dynoSuccess Warning logged for GOOF...#6044. I couldn't DM them. || buying and selling of codes isn't allowed!

steel lintel
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?warn

high lava
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well i suppose it benefits igg in all ways

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people who sweat guildfest can take the 352 more which is more packs for igg

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people who hate guildfest might actually do some quests which is more money for igg

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people who do normal guildfest are likely to do more quests which is more money for igg

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people who were going to finish anyways with normal guildfest complain less

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and the implementation for it i am assuming is relatively simple

amber sorrel
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Wish gf was still once every 3 months but meh ill take a 15 min reset and wish they did a 10 min swift fest

high lava
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then people will complain

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if it swaps to 15

mossy gust
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Miles better being 15 minutes, can finish in 2 days now while getting decent score

zinc cypress
high lava
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yea its quite annoying but such is life

grizzled plover
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Xk

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đŸ˜©

sonic beacon
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Gf every 3rd month would be amazing

patent marten
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NO

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GF+extravaganza are the main reasons f2p are getting free chests-materials

rancid raptor
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💯

amber sorrel
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@patent marten actually f2p would be able to get more points and more tiers in guilds if they didn't have gf every 3 weeks. Saving up would help them more than constantly using up all their stuff

patent marten
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I beg to differ, there are many free quests such as gathering/help quests, and if someone can't do master GF then they can go to a guild with a lower GF rank and have it easy, in both cases they would have 4x more rewards than they would if it were to be once every 3 months

gusty summit
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Just cancel gf

amber sorrel
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Agree Asa, also @patent marten my guild has a lot of f2p in it and they wish gf was not so frequently

gusty summit
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I'm just trolling. Gf is good for f2ps. Just have to farm all day lol

amber sorrel
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When I started guildfest was once every 3 months and was a good event, now its just hot garbage

mossy gust
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If only gf rewards weren't so shit these days

vapid lodge
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They're different for everyone 02Shrug

amber sorrel
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Yes different for everyone but still not the greatest gifts

sage meadow
sonic beacon
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Exchange, and shops are the main income for f2p. Gf is rather meh now. What does 26 hootclaw chests change when their drop rate is shit?

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Not like this changes much.

last epoch
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anyone know why they removed the rss monsters ?

patent marten
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I don't think they removed them, it's just that not many people are requesting them

last epoch
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we haven't had em since 2018.. or maybe 2019

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but it's been a while since we had em

ashen hamlet
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People constantly request the RSS monsters, and there's unlikely anyone in existence who wouldn't want them.
They are wanted.
They get exploited.
IGG removed them and they're unlikely to come back (because of the exploitation)

sonic beacon
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I would really like some monster I can just hunt and hunt and hunt. Good way to waste some time. I miss the monsters that gave gems, stars or sigils

south stirrup
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Your mom would probably have a pretty big healthbar maybe we should add her

patent marten
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there was monsters that gave sigils??

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I joined the game back in June 2018, I only recall monsters that gave monstrous chests

sage meadow
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yeah when sigils first came out

mellow ether
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Lords Mobile kingdom maps

mossy gust
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Isn't that out of date now?

sonic beacon
vapid lodge
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#📑┊suggestions-no-chat message
@wicked gazelle How much would you pay for that? 20 tomes a day is 18000 gems worth of times per player that that they would lose.
You already get 2 tomes a day from the $5 pack that lasts forever.

sonic beacon
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I would rather have an upgrade to the daily tomes. 5 dollar more for 3 tomes more

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So it gives 5 a day

patent marten
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bro post that in no chat channel

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don't make me angry

sonic beacon
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Me?

vapid lodge
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@wispy sierra the channels are already announcement channels.

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The problem is that the admins don't bother pressing 'publish' on their posts.

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But then again, it's not their responsibility to do that 02Shrug

wispy sierra
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@vapid lodge Thanks! I have it set up to follow on my server but it's not getting displayed after something gets posted.

ashen hamlet
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Oh look, another example of guy talking like he knows something when he's clueless

shadow marsh
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When exchange extravaganza can come any idea?

mossy gust
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I know people say IGG can't do anything about the shield bots (bet there is) but IGG can and should ban guilds that without a doubt use the bots.

We (my friends and I) have reported loads of guilds that use the bot and openly admit it, yet nothing is done other than default response

sonic beacon
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They could, if they would, and if they would realize that the bots uses the api

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Just gotta write scripts to find behavior that repeats and is unlikely to be human.
Like shielding in 0.1 sec every time someone attacks you no matter the time of day.

Or sending ress constantly to 1 castle.

Or repeatedly requesting the entire kingdom map every 30 sec

vernal swallow
ornate cobalt
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Such scripts come at a price, trained players who are naturally fast then suffer

ornate cobalt
mossy gust
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OK, then at the very least ban the very people that openly admit to using or where the evidence is without a doubt proof that the bots are used

ornate cobalt
# mossy gust OK, then at the very least ban the very people that openly admit to using or whe...

Openly admit? Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. That would as well open some legal problems since IGG legally can't "ban" people without solid proof, and unless solid, like proper evidence is found and the user infringes the TOS in a way that affects other players and IGG themselves then they'll get banned. Accounts are slowly dropping, just open your eyes you'll see

mossy gust
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So say, I recorded my screen of my shield dropping and within 10 seconds I get scouted, bare in mind this was done more than once. Then I get rallied, but as soon as I do something (not helps or gear change) they cancel.

When questioned they say (our bot said you were online). What more proof do you want lol

Many people have this recorded on YouTube, most famously Oleg

Saying "open my eyes" doesn't stop the big guys, hell even the mediocre at this point using it. Accounts may very well be reducing but their bottom line, which are the big spenders, are the very people using it.

true prism
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KEKW KEKW well IGG are you seeing this

ornate cobalt
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Oleg is a bitch, Lords Mobile youtubers are just asswipes. All of them. I'm not gonna get into a bot argument, but understand that these bots mearly make the lives of these people easier, by automating normal actions
This is difficult to monitor, banning them won't do jack shit, nothing stops another titan from buying the same bot. You see the problem? Banning is useless. It may scare a few but overall does nothing. These very updates are stopping bots. The rallies only baron, leads released after 5 minutes, warning messages when non human actions are detected. Stop whining.

mossy gust
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Noticed that not once I had to insult you to make a point.

So to summarise your comment we should just put up with it? Fine, so be it. This is a discussion channel but I guess some people are adamant on defending IGG regardless.

Also bit closed minded to say every YouTuber that streams lordsmobile is an asswipe. That opinion doesn't stop the evidence shown regardless of their personality.

I'll end it at this. No need to carry on

ornate cobalt
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Dude, I couldn't care less about this game or company, I'm just saying it how it is. My bad if you felt targeted

mossy gust
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Fine, no biggie. Agree to disagree

ornate cobalt
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About the youtubers part tho I stand my ground.

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Lmfao I'm itching for an argument KEKW

mossy gust
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You won't get from me. I'm H&S manager In construction industry. I disagree enough at work to warrant over a game

ornate cobalt
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Well hope you understand the viewpoint I brought to the table, if you have questions or queries don't hesitate to ask

high lava
ornate cobalt
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Lmfao I actually wanted to make thst joke but thought it would be going a step too far

high lava
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did it to themselves

sonic beacon
high lava
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solos bots were affected by the update

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and i know the rein bots arent as fast

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but now us normal players cant speed in as fast anyways. so the bots still have the advantage

still dome
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Hey

lost gazelle
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Hi

vapid lodge
south stirrup
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@opal bone I'd recommend just using a different server for listening to music, this is a Lords Mobile server after all lol

ornate cobalt
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You dare PING FLAME?! You're a brave soul.

opal bone
south stirrup
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

south stirrup
glad crypt
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what are the presents for buying the packs does anyone know?

mossy gust
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go on the news section and look for yourself by clicking the i icon top right of the chest

hardy bison
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Hiii

ashen hamlet
ornate cobalt
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Your account can't be linked to a guest, a guest account only saves the data within the game, linking it is what makes it possible to use it on different devices. If you linked your account to your Gmail then sign in with that Gmail. Simple. There's no linked guest account.

still widget
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Haw can send reculator or other help at my friend aleat

mossy gust
ornate cobalt
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@shadow vale you sure about that? The community has been whining about new research trees and IGG is on an update streak. So you might wanna hold on to them

shadow vale
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Have thousands left

ornate cobalt
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That's small

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"Research trees"

shadow vale
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My friends maxed out on them and just loosing them

ornate cobalt
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Well better have too much than too little

shadow vale
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True , why would converting be an issue if it’s your wish?

mossy gust
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The new research tree is like 70k tomes. I imagine 95% of the players don't have it complete

sonic beacon
patent marten
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When was the last time they even added an f2p research..

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2018 maybe

sonic beacon
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Familiar, around the time I started playing so like 2016 or 2017

patent marten
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wow thats really sad

mossy gust
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I would appreciate even if it was lvl 1 -7 no tomes on a research tree

sonic beacon
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At this point we need a fully non tome research tree. It's been like 5 or 6 years since one.

I could accept a new research tree with no tomes but a new thing, that can't be bought. Like knowledge scrolls or something. You grind them by doing stuff in game. Should be non purchaseable.

forest flame
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❀ đŸ‡”đŸ‡­

full chasm
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đŸŒŽâ™„ïž

glass falcon
#

Hlo

vapid lodge
analog thistle
#

What is event?

vapid lodge
rose prairie
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Guys i need a dead kingdom

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Very small kingdom

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Did anybody know

midnight turret
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good luck finding any in here

rose prairie
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đŸ„Č

mossy gust
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Try shielding Thinkingfira

vapid lodge
spice frigate
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If we can make the 4 hrs to 8hrs and the 8hrs to 24 hrs and the 24hrs to 3 days shields in the factory it will be grate

vapid lodge
proven furnace
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Will be great if every castle skin have specific background....also will be great if the leader will be standing behind the castle like the current kungfu panda event got panda standing behind our castle....

glass trail
mossy gust
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No one should be getting astralite packs unless they have maxed gear lol

prime oak
#

Make GF reward better and make it 30 tier reward in master gauntlet. Maybe add more monster pack for reward. Make a schedule for Guild bash, not a random like now.

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Wasting point for top 100 guild in Guild Festival

patent marten
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i think you should post that in suggestions

thin widget
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👍

lost gazelle
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How to search group?

lime lion
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Hi

mossy gust
vapid lodge
lost gazelle
vapid lodge
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What suggestion are you trying to make, discuss, or comment on with these emojis?

lost gazelle
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Still I don't know how to search group

lost gazelle
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Sorry to bother, I don't know how to use this app

vapid lodge
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Have you tried swiping the screen to the left or right? PepoThink

lost gazelle
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Yes 😭

vapid lodge
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Swiping to the right shows the channel list

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You can switch servers and channels that way

lost gazelle
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Can you say which type of app this? If you don't mind

vapid lodge
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It's classified as a social media app, I believe

lost gazelle
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Ohh, ok

vapid lodge
lost gazelle
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Ok, Thanks bro

vapid lodge
lost gazelle
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I don't know about other channel.still I didn't get about this channel.Rip..Lmao

vapid lodge
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Tap the three bars in the top left

lost gazelle
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Which type of channel this

vapid lodge
lost gazelle
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Which type of suggestion?

vapid lodge
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The suggestions channel..

mossy gust
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The channel above this one called "suggestion no chat"

lost gazelle
#

This app have any help channel. I can clear to mine doubts there..

mossy gust
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There is a help channel further up

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Above trading

vapid lodge
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Can that channel help me get out of bed this morning? PepoThink

lost gazelle
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Haha.. Thanks for your help guys.

vapid lodge
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What about it?

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It's at the top of the channels

south stirrup
rose prairie
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Guys i need a dead kingdom

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🧐

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🧐

high lava
vapid lodge
ashen hamlet
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Yeah people with 10m might should be restricted.

But the 1b should be free to burn everyone

high lava
fallen kindle
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😋

mossy gust
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I do agree that there should be a way to see other kingdom leaderboard. Such a pain in the ass to send alts to check

ashen hamlet
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Oh FSM blocking people should not mean you don't get a notification when they attack you!
Please think for 5 seconds admit the implications. Sheesh.
You'd never be able to block real accounts who are just toxic in chat or decide to spam you with mails from their main, in case they rally you.
🙄 Have a brain!

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If someone is actually attacking you, you need to see who it is. Blocking the name would be the opposite of helpful.

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IGG might crack down a bit on actually banning or forcing a name change on some objectively offensive ones though

empty kelp
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Hello can someone help me with this...

ashen hamlet
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What's actually your problem though? Just tap proceed, select the colour dark army marker that matches the quest, send troops...

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Obviously do the day/night ones at the appropriate time

mossy gust
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I like the idea of a deputy r5

midnight turret
lethal iron
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Add a cooldown on the shelter. It’s so damn annoying when people start attacking new players in our hive just because they won’t lose anything doing so. They can shelter right after the attack and protect their soldiers. A five minute cooldown would make the world! We’ve lost countless new people just because they don’t want to deal with these buffoons. Pppppllllllzzzz just add a cooldown

sonic beacon
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Use shields

patent marten
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international coloseums :v champions league coloseums

vapid lodge
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@zenith bear they did change those. Once you open them, they no longer stay pinned on the top of your inbox

dusty basin
ashen hamlet
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Example 9984328561.7 of Guy not knowing what he's talking about

gusty summit
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He is right tho

vapid lodge
# gusty summit He is right tho

Ann was referring to the suggestion that I deleted referring to the reordering of turf Boosts at the bottom. I didn't know the names on that list changed while they were active. 02Shrug

rose prairie
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I want a dead kingdom

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đŸ€”đŸ€”

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Any body know a dead kingdom

vapid lodge
rose prairie
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😑

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What you said unable to understand

vapid lodge
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I said to write in the kingdoms channel

mossy gust
#

Bargain store is well over due

vagrant tundra
#

If ur asking for migration scrolls to be giftable I’m gonna assume ur a small f2p player
which means you’ll only need 1 scroll to move kingdoms, so just save guild coins for the scrolls

ember remnant
high lava
ember remnant
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and i love you

high lava
ashen hamlet
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Just post them in the screenshots channel and start a hashtag #livesupportfail so they're all searchable and collateable without IGG's approval to make a channel ;)

rigid bolt
#

My suggestions to IGG for next update:
1)Introduce T6 troops(Which will be unlocked after Castle 30, and all other buildings at Castle 30)
2)Like we steal Resources after attack, make gems vulnerable and like rss now we can also steal Gems.

mossy gust
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Get fucked with T6. T5 was bad enough to unlock

stable plaza
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T5 is cheap worryfrog

mossy gust
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Once unlocked, but tomes were pain in the ass, you know t6 would be 100k tomes with a wonder research is 70k tomes

stable plaza
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If you compare cost of unlocking t5 to other things it's way cheaper, even f2ps can gather like 3-5k tomes with some effort

gusty summit
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T5 is cheap to unlock.. that's a first

stable plaza
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It is indeed the case if you take the whole game in picture worryfrog

patent marten
#

th is wrong with people suggesting t6

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ridiculous

stable plaza
#

They probably want them thicc bois to lose more money đŸ€Ł

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Or they think they can afford t6 when it comes out ConcernedFroge

patent marten
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they're giving igg ideas and igg loves to add expensive ideas

stable plaza
#

Igg doesn't monitor this channel worryfrog

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Let alone t6 the guy wants to allow people to steal gems ConcernedFroge

wintry verge
#

guild leader Mon kicked me out at the beginning of the guild party event, and now I can't participate in any.

mossy gust
#

Just because other things are more expensive than t5 doesn't equate to t5 being cheap.

That's like saying a military jet is cheap because a NASA space ship is more expensive

stable plaza
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F2ps can gather 3-5k tomes with some effort so if you buy tomes slowly t5 won't cost much

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It's not a race but a marathon Cat_Thumbs

mossy gust
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I don't see how that's cheap... also you fail to take into account the cost to speed the research as well as the rss on top of the tomes which are rare f2p, may get lucky In cargo ship

stable plaza
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That's why I said if you take it slow, who says to spam the $100 packs and then says it was expensive. The game isn't made to max in one day, you gotta take it slow and give some time

mossy gust
#

Who said spam $100?

stable plaza
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That's how you unlock t5 quick worryfrog

mossy gust
#

I didn't say anything about the duration it takes?

stable plaza
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And if you wanna take it slow then select tomes in different events and buy the small packs and over time it add up and you will eventually have t5 ConcernedFroge

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If you spend efficiently things takes less thinkingblackguy

mossy gust
#

Time is also a currency. So basically it isn't expensive (your words) because you can slow roll it over many years?

stable plaza
#

My f2p has 3k tomes and barely a year idk how t5 gonna take many years worryfrog

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Also focus on a specific thing and don't spend on things you don't necessarily need rn, you will have more for the thing you are focusing then Cat_Thumbs

mossy gust
#

More than 1 year is years... plus you said tomes, not speeds

stable plaza
#

I am f2p tho, speeds stack up and there is techno as well. If you are spending for t5 the $5 monthly pass isn't that hard

mossy gust
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It's less expensive than when most of us did t5 thanks to techno without a doubt. But if t5 was not expensive than most of the player base would have it by now... which they don't

stable plaza
#

Many people have drums and vials in mix set too worryfrog

mossy gust
#

What does that have to do with the cost of t5*

stable plaza
#

The extravaganza event this time is giving 360 tomes without much effort

mossy gust
#

Depends how you define much effort, you need quite a few speeds for troops, or tokens, or fragments

stable plaza
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Speeds stack, and even tho I am low on speeds I am pretty sure I can complete it

mossy gust
#

Guess we'll see then. But the speeds your using on this for tomes will need to be replaced for when technos run out. If you only techno than you're waiting a long time depending on how far you've done already

stable plaza
#

If you have a good hunt guild you get a few speeds from that daily anyways, if you have hypers you can sell rss for speeds worryfrog

mossy gust
#

So what you're saying is you can f2p because of your guild. Most f2p don't have that luxury

stable plaza
#

The event doesn't take a lot if you choose the right quests, 3d gives only 30pts while 6d gives 65 you wouldn't wanna choose the 3d one

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Who is unlocking t5 as f2p worryfrog

mossy gust
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You apparently

stable plaza
#

I am doing counters ConcernedFroge

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I never said I am unlocking t5? m_wtf

mossy gust
#

"My f2p has 3k tomes and barely a year idk how t5 gonna take many years worryfrog"

It was implied here

stable plaza
#

I meant if I can gather 3k tomes as f2p you should know how much p2p can get when they buy packs worryfrog

mossy gust
#

I do, if you're not going stupid, then 250 tomes a day from massive discount.

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Obviously let's celebrate has some too

stable plaza
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Barely few months for t5 @250 tomes a day worryfrog

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Idk much about the packs cos I never buy them obviously

mossy gust
#

Again. Tomes don't equal unlock of research

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Massive discount is $5

stable plaza
#

Tome packs isn't the only one people buy, you get some speeds from other packs, some from hunting and guild gifts heroes stages and then a decent amount of techno every month

mossy gust
#

I have not once seen a f2p say, wow how cheap was it to get t5

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Normally it is... fucking tome block again

stable plaza
#

I naturally know some friends who have t5 within a year and haven't spent like crazy or anything

mossy gust
#

Getting lucky with being in a good guild helps, as does the advent of technos and exchange extravaganza.

But I still by my point of t5 being expensive regardless. The effort, time and resources is a lot for a game

stable plaza
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Depends on point of view worryfrog

mossy gust
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Well I can only go by the point of view of myself and the people around me, plus communities like discord and reddit

stable plaza
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If you know what you wanna do with your account and how to spend and how you are gonna do things, it will be easier and probably save you some money Cat_Thumbs

patent marten
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what are thou saying? cheap and t5 never go hand in hand

mossy gust
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Sure if you search reddit for example you will find more searches for how t5 struggles f2p

patent marten
#

even if you focus all your f2p efforts on tomes, you will never even get to half required tomes in 3-4 years and you will lag behind on gear, gems and other things you never focused on instead

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so it's a loss

mossy gust
#

Guess agree to disagree with him as his mind won't be changed. Nevermind

I got better things to do

stable plaza
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I never said t5 as f2p a_wtf

patent marten
#

you said cheap

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it's always expensive and will always be

stable plaza
#

That doesn't mean f2p? ConcernedFroge

patent marten
#

no dude i said your f2p efforts (without counting packs)

mossy gust
#

"F2ps can gather 3-5k tomes with some effort if you slow role it t5 won't cost much"

patent marten
#

there you go

mossy gust
#

I'm done

patent marten
#

when i say it it's somehow wrong kekw

stable plaza
#

That's the wrong quote

patent marten
#

what are thou saying

stable plaza
#

And 20k tomes purely from the $5 mentioned is $400 if you get no tomes from anywhere else worryfrog

sonic beacon
stable plaza
#

How many times should I say that intends to mean you can gather quite a bit of tomes without spending when trying for t5

sonic beacon
sonic beacon
stable plaza
#

When tf did I say f2p can get t5 wtf, how many times do I have clear it

sonic beacon
#

When everyone clearly thinks that is what you are saying, then maybe you failed to communicate properly.

stable plaza
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And I cleared it already above, no?

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It's better now? See ya wavegif

gusty summit
stable plaza
#

I got 3k+ within a year when I was off for a few months, and if you are p2p then all those tomes are just to make the cost less and t5 is 20k(not everyone unlocks seige)

ornate cobalt
gusty summit
#

Oh I see others pointed that out KEKW

gusty summit
stable plaza
ornate cobalt
stable plaza
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I intended to say you can get quite a few tomes for free sadmirainoises

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Just a sec lemme finish this chapter for tomorrow's exam please 🙏

gusty summit
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Yeah you worded it weirdly lol

ornate cobalt
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You're on discord during study time? Clearly an exam hasn't bent you over yet Worryfrog

stable plaza
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My bad, please spare me đŸ€Ł

patent marten
stable plaza
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When I get ping I naturally see ConcernedFroge

ornate cobalt
# patent marten

You could've just used the emoji, now you're filling our screens with a yellow sponge.

patent marten
#

oh no I offended the cheerleader 😩

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btw the emote isn't available anymore for me

stable plaza
#

Now I can talk if we wanna worryfrog

mossy gust
#

You still talking about this? I thought I settled it lol

stable plaza
#

Nah, someone was in mood to talk I think or debate whatever worryfrog

mossy gust
#

Only tachi. He'll just repeat what I said to you

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But you can now see where I'm coming from since not one agreed with you

ornate cobalt
mossy gust
#

I do agree that tycoon and lab needs to be updated with newer monster rares as much as i hate to say. Hate to say as it means more rotations / less of the rare you want in that particular week

sonic beacon
#

Frostwing should just be 1 rotation. That frees up 3 new lab monsters

wintry lion
#

Add a daily spin the wheel with 1000 gems and the rest resources

patent marten
#

suggest this in suggestions channel bro

dusty basin
#

Theres already a daily login that give you random rewards each dayJFK_WorrySalute

midnight turret
#

virus, it already isnt allowed to spam and only 1 entry it being picked per person.

ashen hamlet
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Mods have said a few times people who spam repeat entries are disqualified

south stirrup
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Lol yeah I noticed one person sent the same message 20 times in the span of a week in the migration event

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They didn't get picked

vapid lodge
#

@stable sun Po is not a hero that you can obtain

stable sun
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Why

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@vapid lodge I just give a suggestion

vapid lodge
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And this is the suggestion discussion channel

vapid lodge
#

Shield exchange and f2p only kingdom are all recycled suggestions

stable sun
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I gave many different ideas in one chat because we can only gave one suggestion and then the timer on

stable sun
vapid lodge
stable sun
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Then go ahead

vapid lodge
amber sorrel
#

I agree guy the list of multiple suggestions are all recycled and kinda trash

civic dome
#

How about instead of "fixing" kingdoms they just stop making new ones lol

vapid lodge
civic dome
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Well I mean they stopped making new kingdoms multiple times. 760 was the last kingdom for over a year. It allows people to migrate around and fill up current kingdoms.

ashen hamlet
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I'm quite curious: in what way would "receive" look better than "get" and what is the effective difference in this context?

lost blaze
#

Gun, you're assuming people 1) know how to use discord and 2) can read

vapid lodge
#

Some people drop suggestions like others do to their IGG IDs. They don't always read.

golden temple
#

Where should i look for rally leads ? Im new here and trying to look for a wonder rally lead for this coming wow

vagrant tundra
mossy gust
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"Monthly surprise" pack is people's best friend for hero medals

ashen hamlet
#

Pretty simple: just buy all the champ packs in store, keep spamming that low value 99 Be a champion pack until you have full 8pc, then buy 110 of whichever 11k is in store, and every tome pack and speed out all the research.
Then buy all the Castle skins with attack boosts and spam buying the pack with star scrolls and upgrade those too.
Then you are a rally lead. Simple!

#

Get at least 6 others in your guild to do the same so you have minimum 7 wonder leads so you can hold every fort â˜ș
And make sure you've got about 20 members who boosted enough to be able to fill all forts and still take a rally

marble cave
#

collaboration with Dragon ball franchise and give out a Ultra instinct Goku castle skin

urban matrix
rose prairie
#

When jade wrym will come in labyrinth

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đŸ€”

vapid lodge
rigid bolt
#

My suggestions to IGG for next update:
1)Introduce T6 troops(Which will be unlocked after Castle 30, and all other buildings at Castle 30)
2)Like we steal Resources after attack, make gems vulnerable and like rss now we can also steal Gems.

gentle cloak
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Will you be the one of those to unlock T6s on day one?

ornate cobalt
#

Plus c25 was already expensive, now you want c30?

midnight turret
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hell naw, why would stealing gems be added, you have any idea how much legal stuff comes from that cuz people pay for them?

pseudo sierra
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IGG should introduce subscription model for the following:-

-> A subscribe charge for one month (like $5,$10,$20) where people can make their own packs.
-> In $5 pack people can make 1 pack of their own choice. In $10 pack they can make 2 packs of own choice. In $20 pack they can make 5 packs of own choice.
-> There will be only valuable material/items in it, no useless stuff like resources, 10 mins speed, etc.
-> The pack which people make for their chosen valuable items, charges for it will be automatically calculated by system and you need to pay that much.
-> This way people can get exactly what they want and save like hell lot of money and as its a subscription model so its no doubt that IGG is also gonna make lot of money out of it. Its nice idea, there can be some changes. (Its not perfect yet)

So people will pay ($5/10/20 + The amount of their own pack)

calm urchin
sonic beacon
stable plaza
marble cave
lament root
#

When will hero levels be upped? Level 60 and gold heroes but kind of stalled now :(

vapid lodge
vapid lodge
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@mossy gust

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Default response but juzMehA

patent marten
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igg being igg will implement the suggestion after its already too late and the war ended :v

mossy gust
#

It was heart breaking seeing an empty dragon arena against a Ukrainian guild. 1 hopped in but left straight away

vapid lodge
#

We had a Russian guild show up, only one C24 came

rigid bolt
#

Sympathies for all Ukraine People, they are going through a lot

vapid lodge
#

@stable sun that's contract stuff

patent marten
#

why are people disliking the pegasus suggestion

stable sun
#

đŸ˜«

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@vapid lodge why then where we are going to get those medals

vapid lodge
#

Then imagine them giving away that amount in money per hell event

patent marten
#

no one is buying it anyway, and those who could buy the expensive medals bought it anyway

#

might as well put it in hell events

stable sun
#

True

rigid bolt
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Just like we steal rss after attacking someone, make it like we can also steal gems. A certain amount of gems still can be thier with person being attacked. Lik we can steal 75% gems and rest 25 with that guy. This will make game more interesting

rigid bolt
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This will make people stop investing too much in gems

#

It creates huge diffence

stable sun
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@rigid bolt WO WO only gems are the safe things in this game

vapid lodge
#

Imagine making new accounts and buying the $1 pack on those accounts, opening them, then giving them to your main account. That isn't gonna work.

#

Those chests have a small chance of having 100k gems, too

rigid bolt
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I don't know why you guys hating this idea, but its better for entire game. People will stop purchasing too much gems

rigid bolt
vapid lodge
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So you support people getting more gems for cheaper? NoTears

gloomy chasm
rigid bolt
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Yes, there should be gem lodes just like Rss, but it will require more troops to collect them. Also this will create more entertainment as everyone will fight for gem lodes

#

Similar to how it happens after KVK

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Because it requires too much gems in game after C22, like to max t4 research we need millions of gems

#

If this continues game will die soon

stable sun
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This will reduce the value of gems

gloomy chasm
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If gems becomes something like regular rss, this game will become heck easier. I am f2p, so I like it. Other people who brought gems with $$$ might get pissed.

rigid bolt
rigid bolt
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But its not like regular rss collection

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You will require 1k troops to collect 1 gem

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😎

gloomy chasm
#

That won't matter much, troops are not really tough to make.

rigid bolt
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Then make a limit 500 gems per day max anyone can collect

gloomy chasm
#

That sounds good.

rigid bolt
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It will make people more active as well

vapid lodge
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That's just going to make it easier for people to make disposable accounts that still have their newbie migration scroll

rigid bolt
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Game should reduce gems value, and bring something like Ruby, this will be only for t5 and above stages

#

So atleast people can easily reach t4

#

Above that it is difficult

stable sun
gloomy chasm
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IGG will automatically make t4 very easy when they bring t6.

rigid bolt
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Yes

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If they bring t6 they should make gems more easy to get

#

For F2P as well

#

We have 800/1000 Kingdoms as dead kingdom

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Or atleast make better events to get more gems

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Idea behind making gems less valuable is it increases morality of community and IGG gets chance to expand game

gloomy chasm
#

You realise that doesn't change anything. The heavy p2p will quickly get t6 and they will still wreck havoc on t4 people.

rigid bolt
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If community plays game 2-3 months actively new players can unlock T4 and they will be very happy

#

More engaged towards game then now

#

Now its like waiting for months for construction and research

rigid bolt
#

😎

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Make T5 too expensive to heal

gloomy chasm
#

It's getting pretty complicated bro.

rigid bolt
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T5 should be like t3

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I mean everyone have t2 as meat shield and t4 as attack

#

Here they will have t4 as meat shield and they have to wait till protection ends for t6

#

If they want t5 its too expensive in all aspects

gloomy chasm
#

IGG will be doing this in the future to keep its heavy p2p players happy. Just like how they introduced t5. What is new in this?

rigid bolt
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I just tried to give my suggestion

#

Thats all from me

gloomy chasm
#

You aren't bringing anything new to the table. I mean, it's natural for them to introduce t6 in the future to keep the titans happy. And with that, they'll make t4 easy.

vapid lodge
patent marten
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can people stop suggesting the ridiculous idea of adding t6 it's been suggested many times already and no one wants it

ornate cobalt
#

Fuck that, stealing gems with every victory? You realize how many problems that would bring... Like honestly that's worse than the astralite update.

patent marten
#

I would accept that suggestion more than the t6 suggestion

ornate cobalt
ornate cobalt
mossy gust
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But you can get t5 easy as f2p like that guy said SillyChamp

lost blaze
#

Man... T4 is much easier to get now than before. Everything in the game is much easier but people still want more stuff. Hell, now you can post here and get free stuff weekly when that was never a thing until like a yr or two ago with fb/insta

sonic beacon
ornate cobalt
#

But like yall are giving igg some fucked up ideas, you're already complaining that this game is too expensive and now you want more? I honestly give up.

#

The whole reason that tree was added was because yall wanted a new research tree, the whole reason tempered gear was added was because yall offered suggestions on new features, don't you see a clear pattern?

sage meadow
#

uhh i think 99% of the incentive towards the big p2p updates is money and mythic t5 and tempering would still have come out if they got 0 suggestions

ornate cobalt
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No, it was derived from the community but igg found a way to make money out if it. Big difference

sage meadow
#

even if them pushing big p2p updates hinges on the 1 in a million trolls and CEO mobile gamers of "the community" nothing we can do about them PepoThink

ornate cobalt
#

Yeah you can, shut the fuck up. It'll make it harder for them to do these FeelsStrongMan these updates please those who can afford it or deem it worthy of the money

sage meadow
#

how does that hinder their dev cycles BasedWatM8

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there's way more to be said about the whales with a subset that spam packs to max on day 1 release of update

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and there again, nothing anyone can do about those dudes

ornate cobalt
#

You're not understanding what I'm saying, but okay lol.

sage meadow
#

idk all i read was "the whole reason that x was added was because of suggestions blah" when the main driving force is money

#

i just dont think the trolls have that big an impact

ornate cobalt
#

Should I just explain? Cause you seem competent enough to understand

sage meadow
#

yeaya

ornate cobalt
#

Listen

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The overall goal for igg is to make money, that's a given. The way they make money tho is dependent on two things, the community, and the lore of the game. Keeping a consistent flow and everything pouring into each other allows for a "clean" transition between events. Without this, the community will feel the game to be "childish" or "rushed" as it would seem that the devs don't care enough. Secondly, the community itself. If the updates don't please majority of the community or will eventually lead them to getting it despite a few outbursts they won't implement it. Those heavy spenders only give a mere fraction of the revenue needed. The low spenders to mid spenders make up majority of their income, so these are the people they're pleasing. The titans will suck igg's dick regardless of what they put out

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Check out astralite for example, they milked the nerds who steal their mom's credit card the first weeks and then let the mid spenders slow roll it, many hated it, but eventually yall fell in. T5 as well, same thing. They draw suggestions from us and switch it up in their own twisted ways. You may whine and bitch but you end up getting it.

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In conclusion, don't fucking give them ideas.

sage meadow
#

low and mid spenders make up the majority? is there really a good amount of people here half assing astralite packs for miniscule stat boosts? i thought the opposite but yeah i don't know for sure and you may be right.

#

come to think of it the sheer amount of people who don't give a fuck about dropping $5/$20 on trash and maybe uninstall the month after is rlly high

#

still, there's nothing strong enough to silence every troll. unless... mods? flexdisorder 👉 slap

south stirrup
#

I like your funny words magic man

mossy gust
#

It is funny how recently people have been suggesting t6 troops.

Let's be real. T6 would no doubt require astralite to upgrade from T5. Which drives a bigger wedge between heavy p2p and f2p-mid p2p.

Most of the community lost their shit the other month when astralite came out. But you want something as dramatic as t6?!

Most people aren't grinding astralite. That's a fact, most have a few gears halfway done or 1-2 done from the 3 kingdoms I've been in since the launch of astralite.

So people... for the love of god stop suggesting t6 so your favourite streamer can make a montage of them burning you shame

ornate cobalt
#

That's the largest of the community, the low to mid spenders. The highest spenders may spend a lot individually, but in the grand scheme of things they're not that important. They serve as a goal for igg, if we all could spend as much as the titans spend that would be an ideal situation for them

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Fyi these are rough numbers, I couldn't be bothered to find the real ones

mossy gust
ornate cobalt
#

@wary pike there is an option, be vip12

midnight turret
rigid bolt
#

Donate Gems to all F2P members playing game since so long. This will increase their morality, they deserve this. Playing since 4 years, dedicated to game. IGG should give them gifts for this.

vapid lodge
#

@wary pike

high lava
#

#📑┊suggestions-no-chat message
tomes and orbs arent meant to be bought with gems. if it was made cheaper, or market price, it would open up a large area for illegal gem dealers to profit. so its not happening

wary pike
wary pike
mossy gust
#

We hate bots, cries the lordsmobile community

We want bots to make our life easier cries the lordsmobile community

Thinkingfira

sonic beacon
#

To be fair people wants bots to make annoying part of the game less annoying. Any good game would be doing that if it wouldn't impact the game.

Having tools/bots to monitor hunting kills or letting verified people into the guild would not break the game and would likely just result in more active guilds which means more money for igg

mossy gust
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I'm all for passive bots to be honest. Discord people will flag TOS be lets be real, majority of war guilds have passive bots that

  1. auto delete gf tasks
  2. whitelist/blacklist people from guild
  3. gather rss
  4. auto shield
  5. command abilities to give rss

Nothing above negatively impacts other players outside the guild

sonic beacon
#

I feel like auto shield and gather ress does impact others and the game balance

mossy gust
#

Auto shield the bot bank isn't much of an issue to others. Gathering is always 1st come 1st serve. But I see how that could escalate if a guild has loads like they use for LH Family

white gale
#

Oi. Don't discuss prohibited activities

mossy gust
#

There we go lol

gloomy chasm
#

I think IGG should clear its stance on bots. If it's wrong, then ban all bots and if it's right then make a dedicated api for bots. If IGG keeps avoiding the problem, it's only going to grow and everybody will be frustrated.

ornate cobalt
#

"ban all bots". This phrase is being tossed around too much. That's like saying "solve poverty". It's not that easy...

gloomy chasm
#

I am a developer myself, so I know it's not easy. But, IGG has the expertise to implement the solution. If not 100%, at least some progress.

mossy gust
#

I think it's funny how you can't talk about it when it's very obvious that top guilds use all the bots lol

ornate cobalt
white gale
#

Did I stutter?

sonic beacon
#

I'm a dev too and it's definitely possible to do something more than igg is doing. So far most of their efforts have been by putting checks on the interface (hence why macros gets caught fast) and not checks on the api (hence why bots don't get caught).

I mean there is migration scroll bots out there. What users is looking at 1000 accounts in 2000 seconds without pause?

sonic beacon
# white gale Did I stutter?

So we cannot talk about something that affect our play? That is weird. Would be like call of duty banning talk about how illegal use of bots affect the game.

Nobody here is saying people should break the rules. We are just talking about the fact some are and coming with possible solutions for igg to solve the issue.

white gale
#

And we are under orders from ops that this subject is not to be discussed. It's in the rules.

#

Do you want to argue me about it or just accept that I'm doing my job and you didn't get warned despite being cautioned twice

sonic beacon
#

Okay. I can only shake my head at that. But I will stop now then.

vapid lodge
#

RIP reactions in the suggestions channel. Time to see how this goes

ashen hamlet
#

There's literally built in up or down vote reactions.
You could only have a problem with this if you plan on typing out rude words in the reactions or putting poop emojis

patent marten
#

i dont see rude words or poo here

ashen hamlet
#

And this is necessary, because?

#

We have this entire channel to make commentary

patent marten
#

it's not, it's just more convenient

ornate cobalt
#

I didn't even notice that they removed reactions, guess that channel will be less fun now CatWew

ashen hamlet
#

I've seen multiple suggestions from people wanting a proper bot with voting, so why complain. This is what you asked for

sonic beacon
#

Looks neat

slow wolf
#

your momma wants bot

still coral
#

LFG đŸ”„

vapid lodge
#

Ooh it automatically deletes the suggestion as well. aPES_Hmmm so you can't make edits to it

south stirrup
#

Is this the new suggestion system? I kinda like it it's more clean

vapid lodge
#

Yeah, it's nicer thabCozy

jade copper
tender oriole
#

When’s shield popper coming

#

And I heard new fam that kills all your t5 for the cost of 6m gems

south stirrup
shrewd blaze
vapid lodge
shrewd blaze
#

I think fam like that shouldnt be released to the game as training t5 f2p is a tragidy

midnight turret
#

about thay shield drop note, there already is one. it sends a notification to your phone that your shield will expire in 10 minutes. tho if you turned it off in the game settings, no wonder you dont get them

stable sun
#

No it didn't send notification like this

mossy gust
#

The fuck is this new bot format for suggestions with a tick or cross response. How boring is that!

vagrant tundra
#

The game sends a notification when ur shield has 10 minutes left on it

vapid lodge
#

Not always.

ashen hamlet
#

And yet there's some crazy nutter going around making sure everyone knows how to look up a user from their id, so what's the point?
... Ohhh I know. It's because certain people want to say dumb shit without their name openly on it 😂

high lava
#

huh

slow wolf
#

how can we roast them for making dumb suggestions if their name didn't shows up

rigid bolt
#

Please make wall repairing time 10 times lesser. Its like it gets destroyed in seconds, but takes 12 days to repair. Please consider this.

mossy gust
#

Mole Shaman familiar repairs the wall by 50% max

vapid lodge
ornate cobalt
mossy gust
#

Max wall research op pepeScience

potent matrix
#

😋

brazen bloom
#

Oathkeeper bot doesn't have approval sign for my suggestion 😐😐😐😐

vagrant tundra
#

Damn not even the bot liked it

brazen bloom
#

Oathkeeper is racist

patent marten
#

lol your suggestion xd

uneven sphinx
#

Haaaa.... Do you love me.. seriously I am too handsome..

vagrant tundra
#

Ofc I do bb

south stirrup
fresh rose
#

Please reduce the wall repair time it takes days

last epoch
#

it would be nice to be able to buy breakthrough bonus everytime there's a bargain shop CatWew

stable plaza
#

It takes hours for mine to repair pepekek

lean rune
#

?warn @left sierra account trading is a ToS violation

serene sableBOT
#

dynoSuccess ak 47#2748 has been warned. || account trading is a ToS violation

vapid lodge
#

Kept the suggestion channel clean dogyeh

#

If the bot had deleted the message and put the warning up for vote.. m_kekGiggle

mossy gust
#

Guess mods like the suggestion bot PepeHands

high lava
#

Lmao they actually did the discord event

gritty perch
#

Hi

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OK

vapid lodge
#

@remote forge is your chaos dragon gold? There's chaos dragon merge pacts hell events

vapid lodge
remote forge
vapid lodge
#

Then Amina isn't useless

rigid bolt
#

Add a dislike button in kingdom gazette

gloomy chasm
#

Also, give the option to take back a like in kingdom gazette.

broken spear
#

đŸ’„ đŸ’„ đŸ’„ đŸ’„ đŸ’„

vivid ledge
#

Some more help for the F2P players if possible as it's really frustrating against the heavy spenders of this game , jeez

south stirrup
#

There's really nothing we can do bro, just try to have fun

fluid crag
#

New channel bot doesn’t allow pictures or for me to edit. Here is the picture to go along with my suggestion..

ashen marsh
#

Hi

vapid lodge
crystal fjord
#

Why i can't atleast change my suggestion

#

Some grammar mistake in my suggestion

mossy gust
#

Bot takes over it

high lava
#

Don’t merge discord’s it’s a shitshow as it is

mossy gust
#

If you're referring to the latest suggestion. I think he means kingdoms

ornate cobalt
#

The earlier one suggests merging servers, the latter suggests kingdoms. Both are bad suggestions

high lava
#

^

mossy gust
#

I didn't see. Kingdom merge is only beneficial to titans

ashen hamlet
#

You're all too dependent on editing. Learn to type correctly and proof read before pressing send.

vagrant tundra
#

@wanton wharf ur not cute enough to make that suggestion pass CRYAYA

fluid crag
# ashen hamlet You're all too dependent on editing. Learn to type correctly and proof read befo...

My statement above about editing wasn’t because of grammar. It was to make sense. I had been replying to my previous suggestion in the other channel, but the bot didn’t show that-and it was my first experience with it. So my comment makes no sense to people who never saw my previous suggestion or the photo that was supposed to go with it.
I only really wanted to edit so IGG knew that. I honestly don’t care what anyone on here thinks 😂 Just as long as IGG considers the suggestions and improves the game.
(I am only saying this here in case I can help anyone else in a similar situation to me when referring to the editing portion of suggestions.) Also p.s; I loved the joke about fearing no man and your username lol 😂

vapid lodge
#

@serene schooner if DA was 48 hours / 16 timeslots then there would be fewer matches at each league. NoTears my guild already gets assigned a different slot than the one we put up.

serene schooner
vapid lodge
#

Slot 6, we've been getting moved to slot 5.

serene schooner
#

Huh. What league?

#

My last guild was generally green 2, this one bounces between expert 2 and master

ashen hamlet
#

Funny, if they made DA on Saturday (which would be Sunday for most of Asia), then people would complain that events are always on the weekend (KvK mostly).
It's literally impossible to do anything without some large portion of people complaining that it doesn't suit them.

gloomy chasm
#

Why do we even need a healed wall for DA? I understand an empty infirmary but healed wall makes no sense.

vapid lodge
vapid lodge
#

@wicked gazelle you can send 30m or more if you max out this familiar

wicked gazelle
#

What about small players'

rotund arch
#

I’d appreciate just a quality-of-life change so that I don’t manually have to get all the parts for a piece of gear I can forge together

#

Fusing and dividing everything out manually is just annoying. Nothing major but just would be nice to have

analog urchin
#

like everything fuses when you go to put something on a champion vs manually having to fuse each layer?

sharp cobalt
#

Tell me 3 familiars name for defense

#

I will set them on wall

#

I have pact3

vapid lodge
vapid lodge
sharp cobalt
#

Ok

sharp tiger
#

Hi

mossy gust
wicked gazelle
#

But I want to make it officialy , How can game environment get damaged by helping people , I am not asking them to make shield bots or something , resources sending option must be available

gloomy chasm
#

I think they can make supply capacity boost (x% boost for x hours ) similar to army size boost.

mossy gust
#

People won't want an official bot because then you open the door to other bots being official because "why is that bot OK, but mine isn't "

ashen hamlet
#

You also fail to consider the biggest factor: IGG don't actually want people sending billions of RSS at a time. You can send a very small amount to share with guild mates, and with research you can up this to a maximum of 8m (32m with familiar active). Which is about enough for basic stuff like a cargo ship or starting a new research or training. Basic stuff.

Why would IGG want people Auto sending billions of RSS at a time? (Already a slippery slope into illegal activity). Far better to have people buy resource packs and pull from bags

lean verge
#

I wish iGG would add something that will cancel the army attack boost or anti boost when you use it I'm so mad because of it I had to wait for 4 hours to get rid of it

quiet idol
midnight turret
#

why post your igg id?

marble cave
#

Don't know

gloomy chasm
#

@spare shoal Do you even know what you are talking about? 1000 medals, seriously?

ornate cobalt
#

Lol, then yall complain that the gap between p2p and f2p is getting bigger, when you're responsible for it

high lava
#

i love mythic heroes

spare shoal
# gloomy chasm <@!491992443701690368> Do you even know what you are talking about? `1000` medal...

I mean, i am mostly f2p and i have reached the legendary grade of all f2p heroes a long time ago and i have been collecting medals anyways. If there is a Mythic grade, it has to be a lot of medals because the bonuses on the skills are strong as well, and f2p people will eventually have 1000 medals. As for p2p people, maybe theyÂŽll think twice before trying to upgrade their heroes because it will be a lot expensive. I think this will help f2p people more than p2p tbh (sorry for my bad english tho)

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and it would also raise the status , helping a bit with monster hunting as well i think

mossy gust
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Income everyone buying monthly surprise pack for bravehearts SillyChamp

spare shoal
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not to mention the familiar skill that gives hearts would be a little less useless

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dusk socket
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cerulean geyser
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Who’s to say p2p players don’t have thousands of hero medals stacked up as well?

high lava
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some do of f2p medals yes

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definitely not for p2p heros though

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it would create quite the power gap for 1000 medals if lightweaver were to give 120 percent atk lol

vapid lodge
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@torpid turret those can be exchanged during guild bash

torpid turret
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Which is for summoning the rabbit?

strange gorge
lean rune
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ashen hamlet
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Why are you obsessing over one person who tapped an emoji? 😂

high lava
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people always downvote my shit couldnt care less KEK

vapid lodge
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I knew reading Ann's message that she'd have downvoted. firShrug

wicked gazelle
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my idea is really very good??

lost blaze
random ether
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My suggestion is to make mythic hero , cuz I'm ready for it

ornate cobalt
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This update will be equivalent in value to the astralite update, whilst creating an even bigger gap. Forts will be fucked now, there ain't no hope for that. Colo will be fucked as well, now you won't have a chance to beat the p2p monsters.

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I mean leader less hits will even hit harder, don't do this to yourself

gloomy chasm
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Keeping aside the fact that mythic heroes are an overkill, 1000 medals are ridiculous in itself. Such update will definitely make ton of f2p and even mid-spenders quit.

mossy gust
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Mythic hero's would completely ruin the games balance, far worse than astralite

ashen hamlet