👾┊familiars

[next sierra]

Guys and gals how are u?

[bright forge]

Hello

[noble lily]

750m might :)

[sand oriole]

Hii

Hello :)

Hello 😺

[sand oriole]

Hello

[twin mural]

Hi How are you?

[cinder thunder]

?warn @noble lily account trading is not allowed

[clear basin]

aadi#2779 has been warned. || account trading is not allowed

[tame solstice]

Hi

[minor cargo]

hi

[silent flax]

Hi

Good morning, have a good activity

I'm from Indonesia

[plain void]

Hello everyone

[regal aurora]

Hellooooo

[young fog]

917534788

[echo flower]

Ку

[stuck lake]

Which. F2p fam talent shld be maxxout furst .. ?

In my view ...pyris shdl be ...am i wrong ?

[plain void]

Yea, you wrong. Pyris good only for range. With cav or inf that buff that buff duration is usefull only for 2-3 sec. Because half time gone when that troops wallking to enemys or destroying wall

I offer focus on tempestite

[inner arrow]

All familiar that give stuff are important first like gems and stars and troops. Then you build up you others for their help in DN and Rallies. By then yo should have enough might in research to be of good use to your guild. That is my opinion. 👍

[rain fern]

wrong, work on aquiris and weevil, they offer army hp buffs/debuffs for their army talent, tempestite isnt a bad option however it requires you to lose a large portion of your troops for it to activate, it isnt recommended for your wall

[stuck lake]

Yeah u r on a good point ..but m asking about a good def

[stuck lake]

Not good for rally def ..it will be good pn atk ..or for solo trap

[plain void]

You dont say about deff 🙂

[stuck lake]

Yeah then its decided .then ..a f2p 3 slot shld be fill with the good combi of . Pyris-weevil-aquiris ..
And btw. I maxxed aquiris recently ..

[stuck lake]

Sorry didn't noticed to mention

[plain void]

Magmalord, jaziek, teraspike then make -40% hp for enemy toops.

[stuck lake]

Yeah ...but single type ...not worthy for limited (3) slot ...

And fact is enemy will not give that time to choose the counterbtype fam ..lol. ...there is already rush for changing phalanx ..and gear .... hahahahaha

[plain void]

Ok, ask igg better familiars

[stuck lake]

[green jungle]

battalion presets for defense would be more helpful

[plain void]

Tempestite is really good for deffence and offence

[stuck lake]

How batallion oreset helps in rally def ?

[plain void]

Use all 3 with -40hp lol

[green jungle]

simple, removing the appropiate -HP ones in ~single/two type rallies

to change them to +15% atk ones, whatever

[stuck lake]

Not for ..rally def ...lol ...thats needs ur 10% army down to implement. ...and now calculate if u have 10 m troops ....so u need to 1 m down first ...for temptesite amd gryphon to activate ....so they both are useless ...for a rally def

But for offence ..yes . ...tempesite and gryphon is good ....u just need to 100 k aemy down to activate those both

[plain void]

Its easy loose 1 mln troops

[green jungle]

1M total, sure

1M single type, you'd rather not

but in either case you're likely losing badly

[plain void]

If you will get hit with t5 familiars you will burned with 10 mln troops

[stuck lake]

What type of lords gamer ..u r lol .....i just showed u the demo ....u r not going to def a rally with 10 m troops ...u shld have decide to atleast make 20 m ....and in that way ..u have make 2 m down first ..to activate gryphon or tempetesite

[plain void]

Why you asking if you know all self lol

[stuck lake]

U r loosing . 1 m by dfending coz u r believing in gryph and temptesite .....just try with other type

[stuck lake]

Always been curius about something new ..

[plain void]

Ok, here you need blackwing and others they activates when 4% down

😆

[stuck lake]

Oh lmao ...not about the paid fams ......

[plain void]

But its really good, think about it 🙂

Perfect for your trap

[stuck lake]

Ohh u wanna make me p2p. .lol ...dream on ...igg never succeed till

4yrs + . 700 mm reached .. 100 times + zeroed .... hahahahaha rss emptied. Many more probs.

But honestly i buyed 2 packs when 1+1 was there .... hehehehehehe

[stuck lake]

Thats a new and nice thing ....need to consider about it again then ....what will good for then

I think territe or krabby will be good instead pyris if .ur wall hp is full and high ....

[scarlet thistle]

Hello

[opal notch]

Offense? Yes
Defense? Hell no

[opal notch]

If you have 3 fam slots, I'd suggest using weevil, aquiris and one of the +15% attack fams

[plain void]

Wow

[stuck lake]

Thats an good idea too

[opal notch]

How many fam slots do you have

[onyx crest]

how many fam slots as solo trap should i get

[opal notch]

Personally, I'd say 3... Weevil, aquiris and either a 15% attk fam that boosts your Frontline or a -40% HP reducer of the troop type that counters your front line

Two fam slots is ok as well. Weevil and aquiris

[onyx crest]

i dont even have aquiris at elder so slow getting the runes

[neat hemlock]

Good set of 3 fams for attacking?

[onyx crest]

p5 fams

[frail wasp]

o.o

[sand oriole]

[plush peak]

Ayy i just maxed out my whole gryphon familiar lol

i am a gryphon trap thats why 🤪

[green jungle]

ah yes, the +50k troops will do it 😛

still, gz 🙂

now for the mecha trojan? 😉

[trail rock]

Training is slow

[plush peak]

THIS FAMILIAR IS SICK I JUST GOT A FRICKING GOLD CAV JEWL

[pulsar plaza]

Wow too coool

[iron ginkgo]

Hi everyone

[topaz tendon]

Hello

[obsidian bolt]

This is taking forever… any advice to speed up the process

[quartz relic]

uhhh spend more?

you already done with the hard part of the money lol

[idle marsh]

spam pack 4 for fragments

[sacred glacier]

Assuming you’re attacking with a single type, my preferred 3 would be one that boost type’s attack by 15% at lv10, one that increases type’s attack by 100% when 10% have fallen, and tailwind

(I’m just mentioning the basic ones that you get from pact 3 or under)

[cerulean tree]

is tempesite even worth to use when attacking

[green jungle]

if you know what you are attacking, -40% HP + aquiris + stacking boost, possibly +!5% attack but I'm not gonna train it up any time soon

[opal notch]

If you don't have p5 fams or the shield fams, then yes

And that's assuming you have 4 or 5 slots

[steady belfry]

Thoughts on tempestite elder skill of generating random t1 troops? I cant think of anything good for using those t1 troops except for sending them out to gather to keep my strong units home to defend or be a buffer for familiar attacks

[graceful steppe]

Hi

I'm from serbia

Does anyone speak Serbian

?

[sacred glacier]

For guild fest, if have tasks that require gathering and you want lv5 tiles, the speed of t1 is useful if competing w others for tiles. Also if you do lords cup…t1 needed for the first kick type. If getting rallied or attacked, you can shelter them all

Plus if getting tile attacked during kvk, good to have the t1 collecting

[normal meadow]

You just gave him a lesson on how to be the world's best farmer

[sacred glacier]

Supposedly could use t1 siege on someone when trying to guess their formation 🧐 idk how effective it’d be though, I usually do t2/t4 siege

[steady belfry]

Gotcha! Thank you! C: ill keep leveling up my tempestite then!

[opal notch]

I use T4/T1 to test fronts. I never have enough T1s

[sacred glacier]

Recently unlocked bunny fam army talent but currently have saberfang’s ‘feral ward’ at lv6. Couple people in my guild said I should just start to focus on bunny now and forget about maxing out feral ward….anyone else agree?

[quartz relic]

well feral ward is a cav blast familiar. and bunny is a inf familiar. which stat you focusing on/leading with more? but of course bunny is p5 and pretty important

[sacred glacier]

Usually I do range or cav rally if leading blind. Infantry is my worst stat but not by too much, and will run infantry under certain circumstances

I know bunny is overall better and could be useful when doing wow, kvk, or da (when sending mix troops), but just figure it’d be a wicked long journey to getting it maxed out…even if buy the $20 strike a deal packs

[quartz relic]

well thats interesting. i know most people main inf since its generally easier to upgrade stat and people set inf/range front these days

well id recommend getting both still. but which ig is up to your preference and or wow

[sacred glacier]

Personally in my experience I’ve noticed that the people who forget shield/anti are usually the same ones that forget to set their formation to the proper one before going offline, but you’re right that infantry generally safest one

Isn’t infantry universally hardest stat to max out? I know its max is way above the cav’s max stat (at least before the new monsters showed up), but it definitely annoying getting all those halos, pearls and terror seeds 😤

[quartz relic]

well once you are endgame inf is easier yes but in terms of gear cav easier

[frigid idol]

Team, join dn

[river cedar]

can some tell me the best familliars for newbie f2p like me

[crude jolt]

It depends what for.
familiar are use for three reasons: war, passive boost and abilities.

depending on what you going for the answer would be different

I would say that a first good pick could be Aquiris from pact 1B as he give you the ability to get STA (helpfull to improve you heroes), give you decent anima related passive boost and allow ou to decrease the opponent HP in war. Not bad overall. it does take a bit of time to get the medals though

[river cedar]

i already have aquaris but i still need 50 more medals to awaken it

and i mean familliars for war

[pure trench]

Hi

[crude jolt]

Alright then. In that case I would suggest you to wait for the pact 3 as their are 4 good familiar for war (if you are the leader) in it. 3 of them increase the offensive power of one type of troupe by quite a lot each time 10% of the said type is gone. the last one increase your overall army power when 10% of it is gone (one time only though for that one.) . Of course, since they rely on you losing 10% of troupes it's only good when you are the offensive party (since you are limited in the number of troupe you have. so reaching 10% lost is achievable. while if you are the defensive party, you probably have too much soldier and so the thing probably won't trigger)

[river cedar]

okay thanks alot

[river cedar]

that hard

[hollow copper]

How can use it in castel walli cant select that

[teal jungle]

You have to unlock familiar slots in the research tree first

[tight sandal]

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[clear basin]

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[uneven glade]

How to become a Moderator

[plain void]

Pozdrav lordovi i ledy

[clever reef]

Behave and don't get warned.

[uneven glade]

Ok

[faint haven]

[reef pulsar]

Does anyone know how much xp drider takes to max from 50-60? I’m wondering how feasible it would be to try and save up xp to immediately max drider once I hit elder

[rain fern]

found this on the wiki, hell drider is a rarity 5 familiar, around 590k exp (lvl 50 - 60)

[reef pulsar]

Oh gross, that’s 11,800 of the 50 xp bottles, or about 491 days worth of saving to get lol

[rose canopy]

i am not far to 4th site, what familiars should i do next for the 3 blast ? others than pact 5

[young nest]

Tempesite

The blue one that do army hp

[plain void]

Aquiris

[green jungle]

-40% HP

[river cedar]

can someone tell me the best way to get bright talent orb?

[plain void]

Hell events, buying red orbs pack, cargo if you're lucky, guildfest

[green jungle]

aren't they also sometimes kvk rewards?

but yeah, very hard to get without paying

[opal notch]

Exchange extravaganza

[unreal panther]

Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen

[bold lantern]

Heyyyy

[uneven glade]

Tamil ah

[green jungle]

watcher pact merging hell

[spiral hill]

I like familiars

[clever reef]

Which ones do you use most?

[spiral hill]

My might is 17m

I don't have much

I have 5 support skills

But my brother has 1.5b might

He uses blackwing
Hopes
Bon appetite
Frosting

[rain fern]

your main goal for now should be to focus on account growth/development, work on your construction, research and familiar gear sets, don't waste your talent orbs for now, unlocking more support skills would help

[silver nest]

Which familiar combo is best for castle defence?

[still palm]

I think p2p

[clever reef]

Which ones, specifically?

[still palm]

Bon apetite i think

If u r f2p then you should use aquiris, evil weveel and gryphon

[narrow ingot]

[opal notch]

Gryphon is a huge no no for defending

[ebon maple]

Hmm

[plain snow]

[sly panther]

Salve salve

[plain void]

Feliz año ser felices

[granite cedar]

[spark ferry]

Happy new year

[opaque root]

Hola

[plain void]

bonne annee

[versed flicker]

Hlo😋

[thorny cobalt]

Hi

[balmy coral]

Hello

[calm tapir]

Hello

[tall wasp]

Haw can unlock familiar am nivel 18 but they are inactive yet

[dark gorge]

Is gnome good?

[normal meadow]

Ahhh emperor. The guy with the pfp of a girl deep throating a sandwich.

[amber socket]

[dark gorge]

Hmmm

[clever reef]

Complete skirmish 8 on the far left of your turf to unlock

[quiet echo]

Familiars are hella mod

Mid

[bitter prism]

Oi

[clever reef]

Hello

[worldly turtle]

Any one know the best familiar for infantry?

[clever reef]

The familiars that boost infantry stats

[worldly turtle]

Yes can u show me

Is this pet good

For infantry or all

[rain fern]

Generally, pyris isn't exactly a good option, because the buff usually wears off before your troops engage the enemy

[worldly turtle]

Thanks bro

So pyris is good for rwnged u see

I though gryphon is good for all troop

[rain fern]

those with no dividers are suitable for all troop types

[uneven glade]

Nice info...

[dry zodiac]

Good advice 👍

[quiet meadow]

What fams to use on a 442? Ihave 7 champ pieces and 1 faith

[normal meadow]

Well the full champ guys and girls will help you there, hope that cara or Cait see this, those are the only decent leads I know of here

[upper moat]

idk I dont play this game, sorry

[kind sand]

Yep that full champ acct is mine

[opal notch]

I'd suggest bon, blackwing, gryphon, Garg and bee/bunny

Can use bee+bunny instead of Garg

[quiet meadow]

Whats the benefit of those over garg?

[quartz relic]

i see most people running all 3 600 fams even though its an inf/range or inf/cav biased comp

[opal notch]

Bee and bunny actually deal more damage than Garg in a 442 since your cav stats are lower compared to inf and range.. the p5 fams deal damage based on the initial attack %age

[quartz relic]

never thought of it that way

[opal notch]

Some prefer the 600% fams over the 150% x5 ones tho..
Probably cos the 600% ones do instant damage while the 150% ones do gradual damage

[quartz relic]

yea looking through reports a 424 used these

[opal notch]

Tho technically bunny does more damage than bon in the long run lol

[opal notch]

Yeah that's how I'd set mine also

[quiet meadow]

So two inf, two range, and gryphon?

[green jungle]

424 refers to troop ratio?

[quiet meadow]

yessir, 40% inf, 20% range, and 40% inf, same with 442, 947, 333, 749, 244, 794, 974

Theyre percentages, best way to remember the ones with 40% is that its double that in thousands, so 40% is 80k of that troop, just double those. The 9 7 4 etc ones are already in the 200k format

[opal notch]

Yeah

[stable estuary]

What is the best way to use the extra runes

Turn into frags or use them as is to upgrade fans

Fams

[plain void]

Use to upgrade fams

[stable estuary]

Thanks

[kindred jewel]

The best fam for def ?

[plain void]

aquiris and evil weevil

[urban maple]

going for saber,horder and snow beast a safe bet for brilliant orb?

dont wanna waste these orbs lol

according to pin^

[upper moat]

Well, you need the shield familiars eventually, but you should probably get the 150%/600% familiars first if you don't have them

[urban maple]

ok

[vague lava]

hello i have a technical question

we have grim reaper a target under anti today, and after calculation (lost might/lost troops) we found that he had t3 as highest troops type

but when he was hit 15 minutes later we find out a t4 reinfo

so Grim reaper hitting reinfos too or not ?

[green jungle]

it says troops in barracks, no?

[teal jungle]

Reaper also doesn't hit troops in shelter or hidden on camps /tiles / reins, and those can be sent out to avoid losing high tier troops from reaper and then recalled in time to eat real attacks ;)

[opal notch]

Was this always a thing

[kind sand]

Lol

I've never seen that before

Maybe the person you pyrised got pulled out that kd during kvk?

You know when the 4hr thing ends, even if you're in fury you get pulled out

[opal notch]

Yeah we think that's why. Probably hopped back to the other kd. He was shielded

[timid crescent]

Anyone else having issues where familiars aren't proccing as they should for the 10% down familiars

Happening more often these days...single troop blast...down 50% in my nest...only procced twice..

[crude jolt]

it's 10% of the soldiers (of the relevant types). not 10% of your morale

that's two different thing I'm pretty sure

so even if on screen you lost 50% of your morale, it doesn't mean 50% of your soldiers of the relevant types are down

I'm not fully aware on what trigger a morale lost but I'm fairly sure losing a squad make it go down a bunch. so maybe you lost a few squad but the total of soldiers actually down is bellow 30%

[plain void]

would you replace this fam with another one for inf rally ?

[lament nexus]

Shield fam?

[plain void]

so shield>heroes stun ?

[idle marsh]

i went from tempestite to shield fam, not a big change tbh.

[grand marlin]

😵

[obsidian bolt]

Anyone know how many tokens on average to get enough blackwing and garg runes from tycoon?

[tropic scroll]

Do the math,here is my case

Not to long ago I dropped 10k tokens into bon tycoon.I've gotten 298 Huey and 290 bon packs

[obsidian bolt]

Sweet thanks

[warm jolt]

How do I get familiar exp elixir

[clever reef]

Events or tycoon

Also, you get 20 of the small ones each day at c25

[warm jolt]

Wdym by 20 each day at castle 25

[clever reef]

In the daily quest rewards. The last one has 20 of them

[clever reef]

24* I was close enough

[warm jolt]

Oh i see thanks a lot

[crude jolt]

Sometime when the bargain shop come up you can buy the big ones for gems. It's not nescessary the best use of your gems but once I bough a lot of them (I think I had over 70 by the time the bargain shop close) and it lasted me for month (I only used them for guild fest quest.)

[plain void]

Is their a fam for wall?

[clever reef]

Mole shaman repairs wall

[clever reef]

At level 60, you can fully repair your wall in just 48 hours with mole shaman (technically 24 hours after first using it)

[plain void]

Ahh thanks!!

[patent rain]

Тут русские есть?

[clever reef]

#🌏┊languages > 🇷🇺 > #русский-язык

[uneven glade]

But there mentioned 50%of wall can be recovered

Need to repair after 24 hours?

[grizzled steppe]

Repair 50%, wait 24 hours, repair the other 50%

[quiet meadow]

What familiars to use for testing? I have all, and im just wondering what exactly to use

[plain void]

for test marches just dont use p5 fams

those will ruin your test marches

then its a ffa

if your stacking fams arent all the same level dont use them

if you follow this you can use whichever fam just not p5s

[green jungle]

why does that make it a ffa?

[teal jungle]

The goal is to test what the frontline is. P5 fams will kill troops not necessarily in the frontline, so you get no useful info.

[green jungle]

the point isn't just to get a walkback?

[rain fern]

you aren't supposed to get a walkback from testing marches

[teal jungle]

If you get a Walk back, then it's got no troops

[green jungle]

?

[reef pulsar]

What’s best place to put yellow orbs towards?

[opal notch]

Gryphon if you're f2p

[opal notch]

If you send a test march at a castle and you get a walkback, then that means there's little or no troops in that castle. Also you'll get a report

[green jungle]

ah so the idea is that if you countered the front line you'll drop their might slightly more than when you don't, or something?

[plain void]

yes

[reef pulsar]

Semi-p2p, but gryphon already maxed

I’m thinking vermiphobia for general usage?

[green jungle]

I dunno, I'd just save them for now

[sick coral]

I have 194 yellow orbs, is it enough to max out gryphon?

[bright elm]

Hey all - looking to get a better understanding of wards and when they wear off. It seems like they are triggered at the 16th hit? Is that in a row or within a timeframe? Can we stagger the hits to never trigger the ward?

[green jungle]

not by a mile, last two are about 250 orbs alone

[tropic scroll]

640.You can get the exact ammount just by adding a zero next to the awakening ammount

[plain void]

Convince me not to put territe on my wall

If your built to take rallies and hypothetically only have 3 slots, Then Evil wevil,aquirus, territe paired with debuff research = 25% def and 25% hp debuff to attacker.

[opal notch]

What do defense stats do?

[plain void]

Supposedly nothing but I'm not fully convinced because the tests I've seen suck

There's a whole lot of speculation about defence but general consensus is "defence is useless" so people neglect it entirely because they're following the consensus without ever actually testing it themselves

[opal notch]

That's why I'm asking you.
What do defense stats do for you?

[pulsar plaza]

Yes please tell me cause i have a few purple def jewels 😀

if ever gold seige jewels were a thing to flaunt i have two of them too ✌️🙄

[pulsar plaza]

Will they help

[plain void]

Not sure I've never really tested it. I was told early on that def is useless so never really messed with it much.

[opal notch]

Well, run some tests yourself and see the difference.

Camp tests

[worldly pollen]

I wonder if atk will be x2 when we are in offensive position and def will be x2 when we are in defensive position

and hp is good for both situations so normal jewelry is not the type that boosts hp

because the resulting test is a camp test...it's outside the castle so maybe def won't help

[teal jungle]

That would make sense ... Only it's not like that

[plain void]

All the test videos I've seen are years old And there's no actual field tests to my knowledge. I feel like a 20% defense boost tested on 1k troops in camp isn't a good representation of what would happen with a defense boost on 20m troops

Keep in mind I'm also adding his 15% def debuff + the research debuff which would be 25% def debuff

Its hard to test because you also have to factor in the people testing all have different passive boosts that come into play (range def,cav hp etc)

I would love to actually run some tests though if anyone ever feels like it

I still have a battle report from when I was roughly 80mm trying to be a t1 solo trap 😶. I didn't understand gear or attack stats and had mostly def gear (deathgazer,frostwing boots and what not 🤦). Me and a 600-700mm guild mate wanted to test my solo trap and had him t5 blast/counter me in full def gear and 20% boost and I only lost around 1m total and killed 120k of his t5 despite being countered.

I was wrong I actually killed 200k of them in full def gear...pics or didn't happen

This is why I'm not 100% convinced that def is "completely useless" because the 1 test we did run turned out way better then expected

[hollow nebula]

Hey Man U can sit in your def jewel while we blast u with our atk jewel

[quiet meadow]

Its not useless, its just undesirable, and expensive to change.

[rain bluff]

Where's the attack comparison and the control test?

Defense isn't useless, it's just useless in the meta. You can't get defense high enough to compete with most big players. You definitely can have an effect on lower end players though or players near your level. But once you get to mythic gear and champ you can't get defense high enough to matter

[teal jungle]

Yeah no one ever said defence does nothing at all. But in this game atk stats work so much harder than def, the best defence is a good attack. There's no point using def jewels, always put atk.
Like how coins aren't worth nothing, but if you can fit in your wallet 10 cents or 10 dollars, you want the biggest bills you can find ;)

[opal notch]

This was the original question tho

[timid sparrow]

Since a discussion is going on between offense and defense my quick question is while holding a Fort in kvk is it better to use all talents on defense, use priest title and defensive gears or talents on attack, general title and offensive gears.

[kind sand]

Nope you don't hold forts with defense talents or priest title, like Ann said the best defense is a good offense, focus talents on attack and it should be attack gear too

[timid sparrow]

Thanks Fission

[kind sand]

No worries bud, defense stuff is 100% useless btw

[rain bluff]

If you could get super high defense values it'd be better. Like if they doubled all the defense stats it could.become more viable to use in certain ways.

[hollow nebula]

U think this corrupted company would do that ?

[rain bluff]

Yeah they're entirely willing to change the meta to make more money lol. They wouldn't double the stats theyd make new research and gear instead lol

[plain void]

If you look at the screenshot, that is exactly what I did at 80mm.

[hollow nebula]

I would send u that again

120k t5 wounded and 80k t4 dead for 1m kill

[plain void]

This screenshot is from when I first started playing over a year ago, I was around 80mm with roughly 4m t1. I took a full t5 counter in nothing but defense gear

[plain void]

1m t1 in def gear though...

He lost alot more might and I doubt I even had a gold hero at that point, so I'd say the defense boosts/gear definitely had something to do with that

[plain void]

There was no attack comparison, I was super green when we ran this test and this whole scenario was me trying to see what my "solo trap 😶" was capable of. All in all it went far better then expected, I have a report of Me far more experienced with 2m+ more troops getting t5 solod by a titan and lost 3× this many troops

[hollow nebula]

Is players don’t care about might kills is what counts

[plain void]

I honestly dont think attack stats would have done that much better though. I was a 80mm noon castle that had no understanding of familiars, gear and talents.

[plain void]

Lol yes players definitely care about might

I would much rather lose 1m t1 then 200k t5 and a shitload of might....

[hollow nebula]

Dude big players doesn’t care about might

U think dropping them a few million is a big deal? They train that shit right up

And they probably have like 30m+ troops

[plain void]

Lol why are you even trying to argue this

[rain fern]

T1 solo trap I feel like the comp can be wiped in 2/3 hits by someone competent

Defence isn't 100% useless, but let's just say atk and hp provide a lot more value...

[plain void]

I seriously doubt any player of any size would prefer to lose 200k ty...

[plain void]

It definitely could be and by all standards should have been zeroed that hit...

Hold on let me try and find this other 1

This was a couple months later. I had more troops, actual war gear and learned to set my talents better

[hollow nebula]

Dude 120k bed and 80k dead

He receives 80k t4 dead only

120k goes to his bed which he heals and brings back

[plain void]

It was at this moment I decided not to solo trap

[hollow nebula]

1 rally eats 80k t4 btw

[plain void]

Ok....but t1 lol....... Your not makin alot of sense

[hollow nebula]

120k gets sent to bed

[hollow nebula]

Big players care about kill… kills are forever troops are made to die

[plain void]

What's considered a big player to you?

[rain fern]

50k T4 for 3m T1

[hollow nebula]

They make them look scary with the amount of kills

[hollow nebula]

1b+ with decent gear

Or some fat troop hoarder

Or someone with hella good gear at a certain lvl

[plain void]

That was t5 from full mythic champ

[rain fern]

was it a counter?

[plain void]

It looks like I countered him tbh...

[hollow nebula]

See that guy doesn’t give too much about his troops

He has champ gear

That’s like 10k+ usd invested already

[rain fern]

stat difference, the player in the first report (at the moment) only has 2 gold cups, and the usual non champ lvl 60 mix (report is over 1 yr old, so they're definitely weaker than their current state), compared to a full mythic champ

[plain void]

Right

I know that I am just showing for context

The first hit was taken very well imo

I've solod more then that with a t4bblast and when I took that hit I was clueless on gear/talents so I think the def shit had to contribute to it

There's really no other explanation

[rain fern]

the thing is that solo traps are meant to cap solo's, not burn on the first hit after killing a portion of their march...main issue would be the troop composition, not stats, if your gear/talents in the 2nd hit are setup properly

[plain void]

Ok we'll by your standards I am a little over half of a "big player" and have yet to burn in a rally...so from my standpoint I would rather lose 1m t1 then 200k t4/3 llet alone t5

[plain void]

That's what I'm saying I was an idiot

That's why I'm " " the "solo trap"

It was a horrible comp, horrible trap, horrible gear

[hollow nebula]

Your a little over half of a big player …

And your a solo trap…?

[plain void]

No.....

Check the date or maybe scroll up and read the Convo?

That was well over a year ago when I first started playing. I tried to solo trap, got wrecked and have not burned 1 time since that last screenshot

If I hit that comp with my castle today it would very likely be a full zero... Which is why I think the hit was taken a little to good for it to make sense

[hollow nebula]

[rain fern]

it's most likely due to the fact that your friend was a wet noodle in the past imo

[hollow nebula]

Your comp will not function and will get absolutely destroyed if u attempt anything now

A comp of 18m troop I took 1.8m red every rally

And I countered

[plain void]

Dude WTF can you not read?

[hollow nebula]

Drop your a year ago thing bro nothing is the same

[plain void]

That comp is over a year old lmao they're all dead bro there's no more t1 jesus

[hollow nebula]

Time to move on

[plain void]

I am literally taking rallies now smh

[hollow nebula]

Make sure to buy resource ready

[plain void]

You must be like 120mm or something

[hollow nebula]

Ye I am how u know ?

Sorry wrong pic

[plain void]

Because you sound absolutely retarded

[hollow nebula]

My gear at 90mm

[hollow nebula]

Like u?

[plain void]

Would you like to try hitting my solo trap then?

[hollow nebula]

No I’m not migrating in

[plain void]

I'll come to you

[hollow nebula]

231

[plain void]

Name?

[hollow nebula]

Come on in

Port near bright

[plain void]

Will do send me coords/name

[hollow nebula]

Right next to bright

[plain void]

Coords/name please

Im gonna need proof before I waste a scroll

[hollow nebula]

Next to bright

Come

[plain void]

So give me your name and when I pull you up I am gonna ask you to do a specific emote

So I know its you

Fair?

[hollow nebula]

Naw come bright

[plain void]

I 100% assure you I will, I just need to make sure its you before I waste my scroll

[hollow nebula]

Username ?

[plain void]

Yes username/coords

[hollow nebula]

No yours

[plain void]

And I'll pull the kingdom up and you can do an emote to prove its you

[hollow nebula]

Let me know yours

[plain void]

Lol dude

[hollow nebula]

Bro I’m not gonna hit some 600mm solo trap

What kind of solo trap is 600mm

[plain void]

I don't think that's possible tbh

Did you really just screenshot someone's pic of full mythic champ gear?

Because I feel like if that was yours you wouldn't be scared to give me your coords....?

[hollow nebula]

Come 231 bright fort

There’s castle next to me same name

Same as my discord

[plain void]

Ok cool I'll just spend $5 to migrate to a random kingdom some 90mm guy tells me too

Lol pm me if your nuts drop

[hollow nebula]

Yes I’m def 90mm

U buy the migration pack too?

[plain void]

Pretty simple instructions :/

Yes if I'm going to migrate I will have to buy 1

[hollow nebula]

[plain void]

Your making this unecessarily difficult

[hollow nebula]

Not in stock btw

[plain void]

Well I have 600k guild coins and will definitely oblige you when it comes in the store

Pm me so we don't forget

[hollow nebula]

So What’s your ign ?

[plain void]

Jayseven

[hollow nebula]

I’m not soloing a 620mm

What the fuck your a solo trap at that lvl ?

Also your kills from tile hitting?

[plain void]

Dude I don't possibly understand why you keep going back to me being a solo trap...I have explained at least 3 times that I'm not a solo trap

What are you not understanding here?

Like what is leading you to believe I'm a solo trap???

[hollow nebula]

Your might destroyed at 610mm

27m kills

[hollow nebula]

Idk man 610mm doesn’t look like a solo trap ngl

[plain void]

Well at the time it was a protected kingdom so we were all kinda wet noodles lol... He was 600-700mm and was 1 of the biggest guys there and we were overlords so there wasn't alot of people who hit harder then him at that time

[plain void]

😉

I obviously don't want you to solo me. I said that because you were having trouble comprehending me

[hollow nebula]

890mm destroy divided by 27m is like 1 t4 each not even… close to 1 t4 each

[plain void]

You have full permission to rally me as well, whichever you prefer

[hollow nebula]

I have double amount of kills with 6.7b

[plain void]

Ok since your looking at my record then you can probably see there's not alot of war stats right?

[hollow nebula]

Ooo come on in then

[plain void]

Why do you think that is?

Unfortunately screenshots of full mythic champ doesn't scare guys over 400mm anymore 😕

[hollow nebula]

Your 610mm

And u were saying you are a solo trap

[plain void]

Exactly!

No I wasnt

[hollow nebula]

So where’s the solo trap

[plain void]

Your saying I'm a solo trap. I literally never said that I'm a solo trap? If you made an attempt to read instead of just talking shit you probably wouldn't look as stupid as you do rn :/

Just scroll up bro....read the convo

[hollow nebula]

???

[plain void]

I assumed you were of age to understand sarcasm....I apologize let me break it down once again

I'll give you a brief summary of what's happened so far

[hollow nebula]

[plain void]

*posts 1yr+ old screenshots of when I WAS ATTEMPTING to solo trap" (keywords WAS ATTEMPTING). first screenshot was in full def gear with def boosts/talents taking a t5 blast from my guildmate.

*posts second screenshot of my "solo trap" (notice the ""?)

[hollow nebula]

Def jewel has always been useless end of the story

[plain void]

Solo trap gets destroyed by sf meat full mythic champ player

[hollow nebula]

Migrate 231

[plain void]

proceeds to say "it was at this moment I decided not to solo trap"

[hollow nebula]

[plain void]

Do you get it now?

So by not actually understanding what you were talking about, you assumed I'm a solo trap a year and a half later.

Even though I clearly explained multiple times

[hollow nebula]

231 when

[plain void]

Instead you want to flex your mythic champ screenshots because nobody can defend against mythic champ gear right?!

[plain void]

Lol trust me dude the second I get a scroll I will be coming to 231. Just pmed you so you don't forget ;)

You said there's no scroll in the store so I guess we wait 😕 or you could come to me?

[hollow nebula]

Come to me I can wait

[plain void]

I wonder if your still gonna feel this way

[plain void]

I will see you soon :)

[hollow nebula]

Not gonna solo your 610mm lmao

I will send a rally tho

[plain void]

I don't expect you to

Full t5 plz

[hollow nebula]

[plain void]

Its a date 😎

[opal notch]

Look dude. Defense stats are weaker than attack and hp stats. That's a fact. I'd rather have attack and hp fams on my wall.
If you don't believe that based on a hit you took a year ago from a noodle that obviously didn't even have p5 fams, then that's your choice. No one is gonna make you change your mind.
Just use whatever fams you want on your wall. I've seen people with 40m+ troops using gryphon on wall.. its their choice.

[crude jolt]

I read an article once where some guy made a comparison between the stats by doing some experiments. And a end up on the same conclusion. The def stat fell behind the other two

Granted it was quite some time ago

(older than familiar probably)

[plain void]

I'm aware def is weaker then attack and hp, I've stated this at least 5 times already.The original question was if your account is built to take rallies and you have 3 fam slots + all 3 maxed debuffs, ( weevil+aquirus) , would territe not be a viable 3rd option to compliment the hp fams?

The only thing I can see being better is the 40% hp debuff fams but those are situational. Activation fams are useless because if you lose 10% troops in a rally you've likely already lost. Some of you are twisting my words around so you can add in the "DEf UselEsS" theory and nobody is offering any proof, because as I already stated there isn't any actual conclusive evidence, just theories that stuck for whatever reason...Tbh nobody really understands LM battle mechanics, not even igg and I posted that screenshot because REGARDLESS if dude hitting me was a "wet noodle", your literally completely ignoring the fact that I was 80mm with 4m t1,NO WAR GEAR (only defense) OR TALENTS, No fams, COUNTERED by a full t5 march.... my mixed stats were likely somewhere around 80-100% when i took this.

So getting back to my original point the question remains, Do you or do you not think def had a huge role in why this account was not zeroed on the first counter? The account was literally made up of t1 meat shields,no stats or other troops for damage. Literally the only thing it had was def shit, and I would literally bet my house on that 99% of us (wet noodles or not) would zero this account with 1-2max leaderless solos. Your ignoring the massive skill/stat gap between us when this happened, he was 1 of the most p2p in our kingdom, and I had just got around to getting rose Knight... I would love to see an actual def test if you know something I don't because 15% def on a camp of 1000 are useless statistics when we're out here taking quad counters with 30m+ troops, constantly changing gear, formations/leaders and There's to many variables (range hp,cav def etc) that these "tests" are neglecting

[opal notch]

Too long to read it all
And I believe I made my point clear when I said defense stats are weaker than hp or attack stats.
And I also mentioned the fams.
Erggo, personally I wouldn't use defense fams on wall if I have 3 slots. I'd rather have a -40% hp of the troop type that counters my Frontline or a +15% attk boost to my Frontline... Reason being there's no guarantee you can counter everytime. So yes it is situational, but it will prevent me from getting super fucked if I get countered.

I also said it's down to personal choice., So if you wanna use defense fams on wall, go for it.
If you wanna test and see the difference, go for it... Cos nobody here is gonna test for ya

[plain void]

Fair, This is more of what I was looking for in this discussion so thanks for the input. My offer stands if anyone wants to do run some field tests with me so we can get some factual evidence and end this debate once and for all. Im willing to take 1 for the team

[teal jungle]

So many people have tested it. Seems like you aren't interested in anything but trying it yourself so why bring it up here. Just go do what you want

[plain void]

Ok do you have any recent sources I can check out then?

And maybe a test with more then a couple hundred troops? I'll wait

[opal notch]

Well first you have to find someone with maxed territe lol

Can test with full size army + lead... t4/t2 or t5/t2

[normal meadow]

I'd get in on this convo but nah lol

[plain void]

Been considering maxing him for a couple weeks but always bitch out last minute 😕 Me and my wife have been trying to figure out how to do this forever now and can't come up with anything that could be considered conclusive outside of taking dozens of rallies in diff formations,talents etc.... I was hoping someone here could help me figure out a better way of doing this, because It would be nice to actually be able to prove what this stat does

[plain void]

Congratulations you are now actually IN on this conversation.

[hollow nebula]

@normal meadow

[opal notch]

I wouldn't max him till I've maxed out the better fams.. attack stackers, hp stackers, hp debuff fams, and the 15% attk ones.

If I still have red orbs, then that's when I'll work on maxing territe

[normal meadow]

Yall ping me at 1 and 3 am

[normal meadow]

But only when compared to army atk and army max hp is when def becomes useless. Offense is the best defence but ordinary defence works as well. That guy was a fucking noob with shit gear I'm sure, plus he sent inf in inf wedge, like wtf. Your troop count as well as your "gear" balanced out a lot. That's the most vague explanation I can give

It you're not 100% sure about something then it's not worth it

[crude jolt]

No stat is useless. It's just that it's less profitable to improve the def. But in equal attack/hp stats with your target the def will make a difference. (or you know.. if your attack/hp is slightly less good but your def is out of this world. I know, unrealistic)

I agree that it would be very difficult to make a good experiment to find that threshold were def make the difference though

Too many rally to plan to get the big picture

[ember coral]

This monster is shit

It takes long time to be upgraded

[lament nexus]

Wait til you have to get it to lv60

[plain void]

Territe is 15% debuff + the 10% research debuff would be %25 debuff to your enemies defense. Aquirus paired with hp debuff would be %25 hp debuff as well and I'm wondering how much this could potentially affect the outcome combined.

It'd be hard to get = stats but I think if we only use base stats (no gear,leaders,talents)and found someone. with no debuff research then they could use a few talent points to make up the difference and get as close as possible if not completely identical stats. We could then send out full camps and try out different scenarios. Do you think this would work? It would need to be tested by another group with no debuffs as well

[rain bluff]

If you have 10% defense debuffs and you have territe on your wall imma say you have some other problems

Defense is only comparable to your attackers offense.
So you're playing a niche build. You're hoping that their attack isn't over X value otherwise it completely negates your defense stats.
And if you have max debuffs then I guarantee you cannot get your defense high enough to deter people who target you.

[lament nexus]

What is this obsession with territe which is just a weaker version of aquiris

[rain bluff]

So vs low end players it has value. But against average or high end players it's just as good as an empty space

[normal meadow]

Well you won't be saying that when you get free t4 now will you? Or when your lead escapes free of charge

[plain void]

Where are you getting this info that attk % will negate defense? Again I'm speaking from a debuff standpoint, as in Im reducing your Hp AND defense by 25%. So in theory I'd probably hit harder if you had less def and hp right? Ok so now id like to know how much harder

[plain void]

Like aquirus's fat little brother who's lived his entire life in his older brothers shadow, never getting the chance to show his true potential....until now

[rain bluff]

If your defense gets high enough the attacker will not do any damage. Like when you hit a wall and do no damage. Or when T1 hits t4 and does no damage.

[rain bluff]

Yeah but you'd be better off with something like terraspike because infantry is strong. You'd have a larger single gain using that compared to territe for defense

Basically can see the stacking defense has more impact because it brings it to a more meaningful value

[clever reef]

This should be pinned ^

[teal jungle]

Why don't you just save stuff yourself rather than using pins like your own personal bookmarks

[quick relic]

I am looking at the dat and don't know how to interpret tge meaning.

When I first started I tested out how defense worked.

I thought it negates a certain % of attacks from each unit.

so when it's high enough it negates all attacks.

BuWhich means even if I send 1 mikkion units, I shouldn't be able to do any damage.

But it turns out that if I send enough of my shitty t1 units, I started doing damage to the wall.

So it's like Sum of attack of one volley - Defense = damage.

still not sure what the multiply the defense % with though.

should probably start a new account to figure out what the base stat of each unit is.

[opal notch]

Could be useful for others. And those that missed the conversation so we don't have to start it all over again... That's kinda the reason for pinned messages

[cinder cosmos]

Boa tarde tropa

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-really-now-i-know-nod-1k-gif-15884481

Nao sei ler em inglês nao ja to dando o pprt

[clever reef]

#🌏┊languages -> 🇧🇷 -> #português

[languid crag]

Is Yeti any good to awaken?

[teal jungle]

Better to wait till you have better ones

[languid crag]

Welp I'm nearly upgrading to max level

[tall wasp]

Can anyone haw can unlock familiar.really am not understand what can do?

[clever reef]

Use red or yellow orbs to unlock their talent (the second tab).
If you're referring to their abilities, you need to upgrade the familiar to elder or adult. These both require a lot of runes of the same familiar.

[grizzled steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933417251313438750/933655702948442132/Getting_Familiar_with_Familiars_-_Medium.pdf

[warm smelt]

Boa noite

[plain void]

How do i get the permanent effect skills of a familiar, it's says activates when hired, how it works?

[plain void]

Can you help me with this?

[grave thicket]

you literaly awnsered your own question. those activate when you get the familiar

[plain void]

How to hire them ?

Deploying on wall?

[crude jolt]

Just having them in your monster hall

[plain void]

But it's doesn't make any changes

Like i have a familiar with production speed i upgraded it to elder level and unlocked the army talents too but there's no change in production boost

And i just unlocked harpy , it have shelter capacity boost , but still no changes in shelter capacity

[grave thicket]

you need to unlock the skills for that too

[rain fern]

some skills aren't unlocked until the familiar reaches a certain stage (adult/elder)

[grave thicket]

on lower levels it isnt really noticable but this is

[plain void]

Ok thank you

Can i talk here some other that doesn't related to familiar ?

[grave thicket]

well, we have #💬┊general for that

i hate my keyboard

[languid crag]

Upgrade Aquiris to adult, it will give you support skill

[teal jungle]

Yet more noob advice

[topaz rose]

How to get more runes for upgrading familiar ??

Ping me and answer pls

[teal jungle]

Spam merging

[clever reef]

Merging hell events

Well, any time, but merging hell events is best

[timid sparrow]

Open 100 pacts per turn to get more familiar shards (if you need fragments too then opening 30+ pacts everytime can give you both shards and fragments at optimal level) - this is my opinion from my experience

[unreal zephyr]

@teal jungle is defo a person to listen too

[grave thicket]

yes, and a person that doesnt like to be pinged without a good reason i think

[unreal zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hiding-oops-im-out-im-leaving-gif-15737413

[opal notch]

Eh what's the worst that could happen? They block you? Meh

[languid crag]

Beast master good?

[opal notch]

..nope

[rain bluff]

Hes really good if you happen to be a bank. Just not the battle skill lol.

[opal notch]

I assume he was asking about the battle skill lol.. that's pretty much all people ask here

No one asks about jaziek vault boost

[west star]

Ok explain me

[languid crag]

Lol, I mean it reduces enemy cavalry def in battle so idk

Maybe good for darknests

[opal notch]

Well, if you have red orbs left over after maxing the better fams, then go for it

It's quite literally one of the last fams I'd awaken

[languid crag]

I will try, thanks for info

[languid crag]

And now tell me easiest way to get talent orbs because I don't have it to awaken my familiar

[opal notch]

Guildfest, cargo ship and the special events like exchange extravaganza for f2p. Daily login rewards also

Think those are the only ways to get em as f2p

[past echo]

Hell events too if you're in a good guild with lots of gifts per day

[opal notch]

Ah yes hells also

And 24h challenges

[languid crag]

Thanks man

[past echo]

Basically, grind, grind, and then grind some more...

[green jungle]

also some from kvk guild/solo rewards

[pulsar plaza]

So hows the vault boost? Maxed? Asa😋

[green jungle]

Amazing!

[torpid narwhal]

what familiar should I level up first?

[coral shadow]

Trickstar, goblin and gremlin

[green jungle]

watcher pact merging hell

[humble sentinel]

i want familliar too

i dont have any attack familliar 😫

[grave thicket]

you will eventualy

[humble sentinel]

can anyone gift ne familliar attack 😔

i dont have any attack familliar

engineer has not grow to adult .. because of insufficent runes .

[crude jolt]

familiar can't be gifted

[languid crag]

Does Aquiris have more advantage than other pact1 familiars when deployed in battle? Since it lowers army HP

[vast apex]

ظ

[plain void]

Are Trickstar, Gemming Gremlin and Goblin good battle familiars for F2P?

Before i spend my talent orbs on them

[spare ledge]

Are good for attacking not for wall/defence with much troops

[open sand]

Oh man, just got this bad boy elder... 125k more troops are gonna die in my wonders soon

[green jungle]

well, not too soon 😛

getting to 60 will take a while longer

[open sand]

True, tycoon is good though for elixirs so will get them as a by product of halo hunting in a couple of weeks

[muted flume]

Hello

[rare bear]

Salut à tous

[wicked eagle]

👍

[cobalt dagger]

Anyone know how many brilliant orbs to max out trickstar

[shy mirage]

You need 800 Bright Talent Orbs to max out Trickstars Army Talent

[cobalt dagger]

OK thanks

[sick coral]

Is that amount also identical to max the gemming gremlin and goblin army talents?

[clever reef]

https://i.imgur.com/dOVsJXO.png

[sick coral]

Thank you

[open sand]

Seeing IRL money scares me lol

[white timber]

Thanks

[jade oar]

It takes too long to get your familiars up and running

[clever reef]

That's why exp potions and merging speeds are sold in packs

[green jungle]

no, the reason it takes so long is so they can sell those packs.

[tribal hazel]

Just got my MagmaLord to elder. I don't know if I should spend orbs on his army talent or just wait until I got my LV.3 familiars to elder( goblin, trickster and gremlin). I'm also close to get to elder the other LV.1 familiars with decent army talents ( so I can have the rebuffs army talents : -40% enemy range hp, -40% enemy infantry hp, -40% cav enemy hp. Some people say I should max those first so I can focus on the LV.3 BC they take the longest. Others say the opposite. Help pls :)

Jaziek and Terraspike are the others

[languid crag]

Well better save orbs on good familiars, I also made Yeti to Elder but its pretty shit, I rather awakening Aquiris

[teal jungle]

Indeed you should wait

[tribal hazel]

Ok thanks dudes

[teal torrent]

Mine 10% + troops were killed but no skill of trickster activated , it happened why ?

[plain void]

10% of ranged troops

not morale or overall

[teal torrent]

Oh thanks my cav was front

[clever reef]

#🌏┊languages -> 🇷🇺 -> #русский-язык

[toxic atlas]

With a ranged front and being attacked with inf, considering that more than 10% of your ranged troops would be wounded in battle, which fam is better on the wall? Is it teraspike or Sorcerer?

[green jungle]

terra

[lean halo]

As for me I'd go sorcerer. If inf can do more than 10% damage then it also means that a strong range on range would do the 10% damage. Teraspike would only be effective if attacked with infantry but sorcerer would be effective in any defense where 10%+ of your ranged are wounded

[toxic atlas]

Thanks

[rain bluff]

But. What if you. Maybe. Counter infantry with Cavalry. Then what?

[lean halo]

Incase of a gangbang scenario, there's that one frontline you should be at,that which you are strong even when counterd.You can't counter them all in a GB

[lean halo]

@rain bluff

[rain bluff]

Oh of you're talking solo trap then yeah since you won't be changing often buffing your ranged line works best

[lean halo]

Yeah,but not just solo traps, also inf rally traps, range rally traps...

[clever reef]

My snow beast, mecha trojan, tidal titan, and grim reaper familiars are currently still hatchlings. How many runes are needed to get each of them from adult to elder? I just want to know how many runes I can safely shatter into fragments.

Working on hell drider for another 3 weeks

[clever reef]

Took some digging but found it.

[green jungle]

chaos pact merging hell

[crude jolt]

Do you guys think it's better to
A) Use the familiar that lower 40% of a the enemy specific troupe type max health
B) Use a familiar that give a 15% boost to your own specific troupe type attack stat
If only one of those option was possible because of number of familiar limitation
Assuming you either know what you going against (dark nest), or what you getting attack by.
Intuitively, I would say to lower the health by 40% but I have not a lot of war experience so... Just wondering if you guys know which would tiled the balance in a more favorable way

[tropic scroll]

A) definately

[crude jolt]

thanks 🙂

[plain void]

👍

[spare ledge]

What are possible way to get red orb other then hell event?

[grave thicket]

cargo ships

[spare ledge]

Those are just 2 way right?

[green jungle]

also kvk rewards etc

[teal jungle]

GF rewards too. Exchange. Some other special events.

[crude jolt]

also login reward sometimes

[spare ledge]

Yes x3 i guess

[whole olive]

IGG ID: 1229035676

[plain void]

Fuck all the haters and everyone who doubted....

[spare ledge]

🥲

[woven oak]

Is training familiars one by one by building one gym netter than training multiple familiars at once by building multiple gyms?

Better*

[green jungle]

having 3 is better

[woven oak]

I currently have 4 gyms

So should I demolish one and build a fountain?

[spare ledge]

Depending what you want to achieve
Like if you have maxed with Pacts then you should train more
If you working on bunch of pacts then go with 3 gym and train slowly

As for me i am with 4 gym also because my pact 1-2-3 familiar which i wanted is maxed so just training Pact 4 and merging them
Pact 4 take long time to make so no problem of anima production

I can make 22 pacts per turn so no need to use anima from bags save them for skilltone

[quartz relic]

i wish you only the best of luck

you will need it

[woven oak]

Thanks for the help

[spare ledge]

Your welcome

[plain void]

@desert mulch

[grave peak]

If I am new to familiars and want to get more runes what should I be building

[sacred glacier]

If you’re going mainly for runes…build springs

They decrease time it takes to merge pacts in the spire

1 gym, 1 spire, and 6 springs

[spare ledge]

Check Above MSG from spartan ninja but usually people make 2-3 gym from starting to slow rolling
But for runes he described well

[clever reef]

#🎥┊streams-videos

[wise lantern]

Most useless familiar in attack

[cinder thunder]

?warn @glass latch you posted this already in #🎥┊streams-videos - don't spam

[clear basin]

Hamli#4585 has been warned. || you posted this already in #🎥┊streams-videos - don't spam

[spare ledge]

Evil weevil & aquris need 400 red orb each to max there army talent right?

[green jungle]

10x the opening cost

believe so

[empty crest]

i'm not familiar

[karmic rain]

What is the best way to get Talent orbs for fams pact 1 - 3?
I do hell events with orbs when i see them, buy orbs in Cargo ship. Another option beside buying packs?

[hybrid nest]

👍

[green jungle]

participate in kvk, lords ball, daily gift.. occasional exchange extravaganza type events

[wicked copper]

2 pacr

You wiil need. it

[plain forum]

I havent heard of familiars until now, how do you get them?

[clever reef]

Clear skirmish 8 (the far left) on your turf

[plain forum]

Ah, thanks!

[clever reef]

Pretty much a basic rundown

[plain forum]

Sweet tysm

[stray mauve]

Best familiar for defense?

[balmy sinew]

I just opened pact 3, should I first max my pact 1&2 familiars or focus on pact 3? I am f2p btw.

[clever reef]

Focus on one familiar at a time. You need to have a plan in place for them or you'll spend weeks wasting time on one familiar that could have been spent on another.

[errant cipher]

🇩🇿

[clever reef]

?

[errant cipher]

Yeah why

[clever reef]

Why what? Seems like a random thing to post a random country flag in a channel where nobody is talking about countries.

[errant cipher]

I just signed my presence here

Where are you from

[clever reef]

I am from the USA, but this is not the appropriate place to chitchat about things that are not related to the channel. The appropriate place is #💬┊general .

[errant cipher]

Are playing lords too

I wanna to get some informations about the familiars in the game

Can I ask here

[clever reef]

Yes

[hushed quail]

Finally an Arabic player which is not from Africa...... It is hard to find saudi players

[opal notch]

He didn't say he's Arabic

[grave thicket]

and here

[plain void]

Prove it

[green jungle]

no most useless is wrong boost type in blast rally

[little dome]

Or people that have better familiars and choose to use the crappy ones…

[junior pagoda]

Focus on your hyper fams first. After that, weevil, acquiris, totem for cargo & the one for lab essence. Then move to gemming gremlin & the one for holy stars.

[stuck whale]

How to use familiar troops

Can any one Tell me

[daring arrow]

for attacking others?

[teal jungle]

You need to unlock the familiar battle slot with research first. And awaken a familiar battle talent. Then you can send it with your troops

[empty basin]

Unlock familiar slots in familiar tree first and pick it at the time of attack

[untold prawn]

I only have 3 familiar slots what should be my go to f2p fams for darknests

[quartz relic]

you should get the evil weevil and the aquiris for the army hp, since they can go on ur wall too

as for the 3rd, if you have yellow orbs you can level the gryphon

or for stacking fams, but those dont really fit on your wall

[untold prawn]

Is that for my wall or darknests

[haughty merlin]

Hi

Uhh... How to use familiars?

I just unlocked them in ct 14, and currently have the tree, magma and that blue familiar with a ring or something something

[clever reef]

Familiars have passive skills that boost your economic and military abilities. You need to train them in gyms to level them up. Once they are at 20 or 50 (for adult & elder) you can use runes of that familiar to upgrade them to the next stage.

[vestal night]

[sick coral]

It would be nice if we could earn a new pact 5 familiar and its special skill is to make Elite labyrinth available for less then 10 or 20 minutes but the cooldown is 3 days

[teal jungle]

Suggest it in #📑┊suggestions-no-chat

[bold lantern]

Hey

[ebon grotto]

Hii

[desert yarrow]

😫

[plain forum]

I finally unlocked familiars, oh boy where do i start with all these pinned messages

[toxic thunder]

If I were you I'd Start by Training 1a Packs and Trying to Max out your territe

[plain forum]

Territe?

[lavish plaza]

😋

[serene hull]

Territe? You sure?

#👾┊familiars message

[teal jungle]

Don't even worry about it. Just merge pacts. It will take you aaaaages before you get anywhere significant with familiars. You've got time to read all the pins

[plain void]

Yeah he's sure....

[teal jungle]

Go for aquiris in pact 1b as a starter

[mighty blade]

Join beb

[opal notch]

Quite sure this counts as spamming

[grave thicket]

well, not yet. its all different messages in their respective chats

[opal notch]

[minor hill]

Are the P4 Shielders (Hoarder, Saberfang and Snow beast) better than Gryphon if compared individually with single troop type

[onyx zealot]

💩

[tropic scroll]

Yeah actually,I've seen people test this out

There are a couple of vids regarding this on yt

[minor hill]

I did see any best I saw was Stackers vs Gryphon

[grizzled gale]

Hi. Question about poison sting lvl 10 familiar. It says 10K troops to infirmary every 10 mins for 240 mins. So it’s 10k x 24 = 240k of troops sent to infirmary? Thanks

[coral shadow]

Yes

[green jungle]

If people had to pick, is it better to get bunny and bon army skills halfway or get 1 to max, if I also have gryphon, stacking attack and hp debuff fams?

[bleak crescent]

I think getting one to max is a better option but if you are gonna max both eventually.. maybe then you should do both simulatneously.

[green jungle]

okay, but any guesses on how good half-finished p5 fams are versus the lower-tiered ones?

[bleak crescent]

Lv.5 is 216% and takes around 532 orbs while maxing up to Lv.10 takes 1,600 orbs but gives 600% so cost-wise it's good but think it this way.. your troop type ATK may not yet be at that level to make half-maxed P5 better than other fams.

It depends on how your blasts are like.

@green jungle

[green jungle]

hm, okay

[bleak crescent]

What are your blasts though?

[green jungle]

I'm at 600-650% atk depending on type

ex army bonus

[bleak crescent]

I don't think paid fams will do insane damage with those stats.

[rain bluff]

You'd have to test to see. I've never seen it myself. Also depends on what you replace

[barren tree]

Anyone use line app for hell alert?

[green jungle]

well, mostly using hp debuffs besides the stacking fam and gryphon

[rain bluff]

If you replace something like weevil or some lesser familiar it could do better

[bleak crescent]

A friend once told me that he will max one of these paid fams as F2P.

[green jungle]

(all maxed)

[rain bluff]

Stackers would be better. The HP debuff is debatable. But it also depends on your target at the same time

[bleak crescent]

Actually, it's possible but when his blasts are gonna be in 500s(at max), there are better options available.

@rain bluff I had to ask something about shield fams.

Does troop type HP affect the shield effect?

Or will it be the same?

[rain bluff]

Yeah low stats won't work very well if you hit a counter type. Like if you hit cav with inf fams and low attack it'd be real soft. Where if you use an HP debuff you're directly hitting Frontline hopefully

[rain bluff]

It's the same. It basically saves them from dying once

[bleak crescent]

Agree.

[bleak crescent]

But I was thinking it this way.. More HP means troops will survive for long?

I haven't tested it though.

[rain bluff]

Yes in that sense. Also in that view it would take longer for the shield to activate making it useful later on

[bleak crescent]

Yes.

Also, would you prefer new leads to get the shield fam or the 600 ones?

[rain bluff]

If your targets real weak then you can get it to activate near the end of a fight

[bleak crescent]

I hardly see new leads using the shield fams.

[rain bluff]

An HP debuff is semi comparable to a shield fam in some ways. Shields better though but HP isn't bad

Or the HP stackers are solid f2p familiars

[bleak crescent]

Maybe because people usually do it in the last? idk

[rain bluff]

If I was maxing all 6 p5 skills I'd do shield fams last

[bleak crescent]

I was wondering the same.

[rain bluff]

But I'd max out hp debuffs and stackers because they're super cheap

[bleak crescent]

Also, HP debuffs are super easy to max.

[rain bluff]

Also useful on wall

[bleak crescent]

Exactly.

[green jungle]

shield fams sound kinda meh to to me, just 7% and just keeping them alive 1 more hit, whatever that means

[bleak crescent]

What about Gryphon? Can it outperform shield familiar? I know it's a weird question.

[green jungle]

doesn't help that game mechanics are so opaque

[rain bluff]

This is the problem. Especially with pyris

[bleak crescent]

In some cases.. that means a walkback, I believe.

[rain bluff]

You have to physically test to see results

Battles are all about time. If you can out survive you'll walk back. So shield fams are super good. Also typically you're a lot stronger than your target so having additional immunity seconds is very valuable. Sure the one troop takes an extra hit but that's 1 less hit on the next troop

[bleak crescent]

True.

It can even save few seconds depending on the case.

[bleak crescent]

XD

[rain bluff]

You'll kill more with gryphon but you'll survive WAY more with shields

[green jungle]

weevil is that useful?

[bleak crescent]

I see.

[rain bluff]

But I'd still use gyphon first. Like if you're 4 slot don't worry much about shields

[green jungle]

kinda surprised by that

[rain bluff]

It just adds survivability

[bleak crescent]

Yes.

[green jungle]

but this is best case, so when you counter them, does same hold for inverse?

[bleak crescent]

@rain bluff Are you a rally lead?

Sorry for the ping.

[opal notch]

He's a noodle

[green jungle]

😮

[rain bluff]

Defensively weevil is solid. But if you're looking to burn a target I'd go attack before survival

[rain bluff]

Nah just around a lot of leads and I absorb knowledge lol

[bleak crescent]

Same.

[rain bluff]

I'm only in the 700s lol

[opal notch]

Ramen

[rain bluff]

Uncooked

[opal notch]

Soggy

[rain bluff]

Seems hard but breaks when pressed xD

[opal notch]

You're gonna sponsor my next p5 fam

[rain bluff]

I've become discouraged building my account to lead so I just trap leads lol

Costs so much and we have a bunch of 1000+ leads anyways

[bleak crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783886780764127295/952487141471043584/Screenshot_20220313-111517_Lords_Mobile.jpg

If he is running 424, what would you counter with?

[green jungle]

btw p5 fams only trigger when their troop type has x% deaths yeah?

or is it total army deaths %?

description is kinda vague

[bleak crescent]

Not troop type.. total troops.

[green jungle]

huh

[bleak crescent]

@rain bluff

[rain bluff]

Total death BUT only the troop type attack is used to damage.

[bleak crescent]

Will trigger with 4% army death.

[rain bluff]

So if you send cav p5 with inf troops it'll activate but do like 0 damage lol

[bleak crescent]

Also, depends on troop count, right?

[green jungle]

yeah but if you send mix you then get all troop types hitting 'one of the largest squads'

[rain bluff]

442 or a strong cav blast. 208 even works too

[rain bluff]

Yeah thats common in wonder battles.

[green jungle]

okay

[rain bluff]

You send mixed with mixed p5 and it does damage to the largest squad, which is just 1/4 of the largest troop count

[bleak crescent]

Ok.

[rain bluff]

So they'll basically wipe a squad out or heavily reduce it. You can use certain comps to counter out fams too. Like I prefer higher cav so when I take inf rallies it hits cav. Rarely ever see ranged rallies.

[bleak crescent]

Counter matters in fam?

[rain bluff]

Forts is a whole other game with lots of variables.

[rain bluff]

Ohhh yes

[bleak crescent]

Like bon will do less damage to cav?

[green jungle]

I'd assume so'

[rain bluff]

Yep.

[green jungle]

if you have counter rs anyway

or well, I guess there's also the default counter bonuses

[rain bluff]

Also if your biggest front you take a counter in its gonna hurt real bad

[bleak crescent]

So let's say you have ranged front(highest squad too) and the rally is inf with Bon.. it will deal massive damage?

[rain bluff]

T3 solo traps play on that when they sit one front. Defers all fam damage to their t2 lines

[rain bluff]

Yeah

[bleak crescent]

Oh, ok.

[bleak crescent]

Haha.

[rain bluff]

All his cav went goodbye lol

Died so fast the ranged retargetted to 2 types lol

[bleak crescent]

Haha.

[green jungle]

btw this is for mix armies going up against each other or something?

[rain bluff]

It shows inf vs ranged. But can just use the troop stat ones as same % likely some variation but not much for other types

Mixed vs mixed is full of variables so it's a bit harder to determine

[green jungle]

then why would jaziek do anything?

[rain bluff]

Ohhh I see that now

This was the full one. So that explains why

[green jungle]

ty

[long adder]

The familiar yeti that increases travel speed..
Shall I awaken his talent?

[green jungle]

any idea why the bon units killed difference % is so low? I assume it's because it hit the cav, but it's sad they didn't also say something about how it compares to huey if both hit the same target.

[rain bluff]

I'd assume bon would do better personally. But bunny also hits 5 times right, just later. So they're pretty similar

But yeah I figured it was just what troop hit

I've meant to test it myself since that result there doesn't seem like expected

[plain void]

Can anyone help me with awakening of familiars skills.

[quartz relic]

im assuming you are referring to battle talents. these are familiars that you can use in battle to boost your troops. most pact 1-3 will require red orbs to awaken, found in packs, hell events, guild fest, and other events. gryphon + pact 4-5 require yellow orbs, found in the same places but costing more than the red orbs. each familiar battle talent requires a higher cost to activate, which allows them to be used in battle. after that, you can pay more orbs to upgrade them to level 10,increasing their state. you need familiar battle slots unlocked as well to use them.

you should focus on some army hp familiars first (weevil and aquiris) as they are cheap and give good boosts. dont awake def familiars

[plain void]

Thanks bro for the information..

[haughty merlin]

How to use a familiar skill? I have all pact 1 familiars but mostly are lvl 12-13 and still puppies

I just upgraded my turtle familiar to adult stage, that r1 spiked green turtle with food production buff

[hollow nebula]

Food production buff are passive, auto applies to stats

I guess the only ones are the elder state abilities (for some familiars) the one u needs to click and also awakening talent ability

[haughty merlin]

Hmmm....

HMMMMMMM......

About battle skill that nerf/buff troops at battle and turf-attacking skill or something something?

[hollow nebula]

Those are talents awakening abilities

Which is in army talent tab

Once unlocked u need familiar slot (research tree) to use it

I’m not sure but I think u have first slot open automatically

I could be wrong

[haughty merlin]

I don't know

Okay...

Arigatou, onii chan

[hollow nebula]

yamete kudasai

[wheat kiln]

I need party for hunting

[grave thicket]

what do you mean "party for hunting"

[quartz relic]

they going to the woods for a hunting party wdym

[grave thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-hunting-peter-griffin-gif-13222773

[teal jungle]

I imagine there's music and beers

[lean ibex]

I can't able upgrade it to 60 level
Why

Help me please

[green jungle]

because your leader is still level 59

[main glacier]

I have a question. Do the fams like jazeik that reduce 40% cav hp act like simple subtraction from enemy’s total cav hp or do they act like debuffs? I mean if the cav hp is 600 would it be reduced to 560% or 360%?

[lean ibex]

Ok thanks

[bleak crescent]

560%

[sacred zenith]

Who search kills and base on K?

[plain void]

Hey

[main glacier]

Thanks

[slate imp]

Can anyone tell me how hell Drider skill works?

[teal jungle]

The leader rescue skill?

If you get capped there's a small chance that your leader escapes. You don't have to do anything to activate it.

[green jungle]

and if it doesn't trigger, bunny will take over if active

[teal jungle]

If you have bunny

[green jungle]

yea, obviously :p

[opal notch]

@slate imp

[teal jungle]

Hell drider when you're under attack by enemies: 💤
Hell drider when your guild mate is trying to save your leader at the last minute: 😜

[foggy lagoon]

alguien de G'V o de DwC?

[languid jasper]

Hey guys if you want to know what fams to use in wow and da battles here is a cheat spread sheet for you!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z9D-6FKnIN-d17ETFo4zo8PTphB-RLsyyqrGj_vnWj0/edit?usp=sharing

[slate imp]

Okay Thanks bro

[green jungle]

ty, any idea why they're using frost wing in a bunch of setups when they might just as well use skull crusher? Is it bc of jewels inserted?

[unreal thistle]

hi

[glad dune]

For an f2p player, is this fam important and usefull when mature or not really

[modest sapphire]

How many fragments required for gemming level 50 to 60 same time immediately

[clever reef]

Assuming you mean gemming gremlin level 50 to 60 immediately: add up the numbers in the far right column here (minus the first row). That is how much exp is needed. Then divide by 10.

[junior pagoda]

Which is better to unlock first, 4th fam slot or t5?

[green jungle]

t5

[uneven yacht]

4th fam slot only costs about 3-4k tomes if you already have slot 3 opened while T5 is 20k. Also depends on if you can keep up with healing T5 everytime which requires Lunite and can only be obtained from buying packs.
So I would say slot 4 first.

[errant egret]

Which is better to unlock first: 4th fam slot or Counter Researches? I am F2P, with 5.3k tomes.

[uneven yacht]

Counter makes a big difference so I would definitely suggest that. Just an example, if you have counter researches done, even with 400-450% stats you can beat most DN 6 but with 4 familiars and no counters, its much harder.

[errant egret]

Ohh okay. Thanks for this useful suggestion :)

[vapid veldt]

Bruhmemegang

[balmy sinew]

I have got about 200 pact3s. In what batch size should I open them to get the best drop rates?