👾┊familiars

[harsh elk]

anybosy knows which familiry should i upgrade i am at 58 and castel 25 witg pact 3

[dusky vortex]

Acquiris

[harsh elk]

for ??

[dusky vortex]

If you already have p3 your acquiris should be max already isn't it?

The basic skill of stamina which will help you to faster upgrading your heroes

For P3 you can do gremlin, trickstar, goblin

[leaden geyser]

Tomorrow so I guess Jade comes every thursday.

[livid tinsel]

thank you, will check tomorrow .

[plain void]

I have p3 from long time and 0 maxed fam even in only lvl

don't know have no luck with fams like this

[quiet orchid]

noob

[plain void]

go to hell and leave me alone lol

no onr asked for ur stupid opinion, lol

[quiet orchid]

[warped musk]

so guys

[desert bridge]

IGG 1839284554 Give me diamond lords mobile thank you

[mystic blade]

How to get gryphon familiar.

[plain void]

opening p3 from researches

and making pacts

[mystic blade]

I have been opening p2B.

Well I will do research on p3, thanks.

[plain void]

welcome

[heady crescent]

What familiars should I use?

[frail vigil]

Depending on you but gryphon needs to be there if you using stackers i think

[plain void]

how much comp?

[heady crescent]

I removed cav fam and added gryphon because I have most attack on cav when using mix gear

[heady crescent]

24.4m

500 mix stats

[plain void]

so gryphon is pc of shit there

remove it

will chack something and tell you

[heady crescent]

Okay, ty

[plain void]

what to put

[hexed imp]

Add Shamman's blessing hearty feast and deadly slash
Take mix rallies in inf phalanx
You have too big of a comp to use stackers and gryphon

[heady crescent]

Thank you

[static fulcrum]

No big comp this Is good. Trickstars activvated in 10% only archers dead. When you have 5m archer He Is active in 500k left this Is good

But stackers must be your frontline only

[dull cargo]

Hi

[simple hemlock]

Is blackwing at low level army talent good?

[tender palm]

Yes try na get every attack stat possible

[edgy dome]

Even 1% from 10 different stuff is 10% increase in base stat

[normal hull]

Even if it weren't, what's the harm of upgrading that?

It's 1% army atk iirc. Better than nothing.

[fierce tendon]

Will troops that get killed by blackwing get into sanctuary?

[hexed imp]

Nope, they are gone forever

[leaden geyser]

For PvP yes (say 2M kill by bw, 600k beds, then certain % of 1.4M goes to sanctuary).

[hexed imp]

I was told they are gone forever

[normal hull]

Oh??

[wispy spruce]

IGG ID 898784701

[waxen cloud]

Hello

[languid socket]

I have a familiar who i completely maxed out but still only epic around him in monsterhold. How do I make him legendary?

[languid socket]

Thank you

[fierce tendon]

How can troops still get into infirm while BW kill all sick troops?

I hope there is a sacrificial lamb for testing how BW skill work

[median cloud]

It’s like that since Divine providence update .. BW on a castle pretty useless now unless if enemy reins are a problem..

Generally seen as a noob move from leads

[west dove]

Bro what are these dmn Familiars could some1 explain pls

[karmic gorge]

Which familiar is good UpTo pact 3 for small rally trap?

[turbid apex]

Any suggestions on best wall familiars - I have 25m troops and will be 30m soon. Atm I have hell drider, tempesite and gryphon on my wall but waiting for 7-10% of my troops to die before they do anything seems dumb. I don't want to lose 2.5m troops before they activate. I have aquiris, territe and pyris that are start of battle. But not sure what to have for the other 2 slots for rally defence. Any suggestions?

[karmic gorge]

11m

12m troops 1m each t4 and 3m each t2

[hexed imp]

Switch tempestite to hp familiar.
And gryphon can be switched to shield familiar depending on your frontline

[karmic gorge]

I use aquiris, evel weevil and strickstar, These are good or I change?

I also have gryphon but lv 2 skill

Someone say me gryphon is not good for defense for more troops

Okay

Thanks

One gryphon and other two?

[storm fable]

Is Aquiris and Evil Weevil basically the same thing? Or is one completely better than the other?

[karmic gorge]

@plain void gryphon active when 10% troops fallen it's mean my 1m dead then he active that's why I say it is not good at wall

[karmic gorge]

Then I use aquiris, evil weevil and trickster??

My front is range then can I use trickster??

Trickster pact 3 familiar

Okay

Then use evil weevil, magus and aquiris?

400k t2 it's not much, I think 🤔

Okay

[iron karma]

Gemming grelin

[karmic gorge]

Useless when range front

[iron karma]

Has the event ended

[karmic gorge]

Aquiris reduce enemy hp

[iron karma]

Hello guys

Has the event ended

The familiar

[karmic gorge]

Aquiris reduce HP and evil weevil increase HP, it's mean 30 HP difference from enemy

[iron karma]

Yh

Sigh

I really needed them gems for my altar

Alright guy bye

[karmic gorge]

Bro I can't understand this please tell me and thanks for your time

Ok bro thanks

💕

[hexed imp]

Shield familiars are good for wall

[sly venture]

Big fat aunty

[karmic gorge]

Which is shield familiar?

[jolly sun]

it's 12% of one troop type

you easily lose that when countered and quite often you will on same type as well

that's nothing

yeah you easily lose that when countered

[karmic gorge]

I think,It's good for me

[jolly sun]

on a solo from a not very strong account

more than one time ?

what you mean with more than one time shield activates once

[karmic gorge]

No, magus, evil and terraspike

[gaunt tendon]

Does jade wyrm start @ $5 packs

[rotund salmon]

Yes it does, but there are packs that have more jade wyrm pacts than the exclusive one. Or you could just do the bp event now

[leaden geyser]

I mean ofc Damage increases for next level but why they do 67.5% dmg on L5 and then 66% on L6 lol
That's weird.

[turbid apex]

Goes to 5 times on next level. Is 4 times 67.5% at L4 but 5 times 66% at L5. Agree still seems bit dumb. Would be more sense to stay at 67.5% for both just activate 1 additional time at L5

[zealous bough]

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[grave thicket]

What is this for?

[polar fossil]

I'm new

[dense ocean]

Hi

[tawdry comet]

IGG ID 1792234187

[grave thicket]

And what is this for

[still crater]

I'm new here

[frail vigil]

Wouldn't this be a good familiar to get as solo trap?

[quiet flint]

better off building aquiris first , Terra only works on inf while Aquiris is an entire army hp debuff so doesn't matter what the enemies are sending also gives stamina to let you grind hero stages faster .

in general fams that activate at the start of battle are recommended but actually built traps , stacking fams like Gemming Gremlin aren't bad if you still have a low comp .

[frail vigil]

Oh i somehow read that "reduces enemy army hp by 40%" and i was like thats better than other ones

[quiet flint]

That's only at max , most people have to work on familiars for months to actually get them up unless you're spending

if you're f2p then just work on Aquiris pact 1b

[plain void]

I started working on trickstar and my next target is weeveil, and gryphon with them, but still far a bit

[frigid glacier]

Hi all, I have a question about familiars in battle.
I have 5 slots and just to use cav as example, i have gargantuan, goblin, gryphon, and noceros. This covers attack except the fam with 15% attack from start .

Currently I use tempestite stun skill but I feel like that's not the best use of my 5th slot so what is recommended? Just go with the 15% attack, HP buff, rebuff, shield, or what? Any suggestion that needs red orbs is helpful

Thanks

[brazen ore]

Jade but if not then shield

[solid sun]

go with the other cav p5 if you want to spent the money and/or with shield or jade

[frigid glacier]

I don't want to spend more money on fams. I spent it all. Lol I actually got every paid p5 but I even regret the frostwing and bee, but I don't want to buy not yellow orbs. I am a low spender and moving on to other things like embers and gear

[solid sun]

if you have 5 familiar slots and a few pact 5 fams i wouldnt call you a low spender except you did it in a few years

I think then I would use tempestide untill you upgraded your p5 or shield fams far enough

[frigid glacier]

Yes I did this over a three-year period but I admit I was spending about $150 a month average for the first year and a half. But it was definitely too much spending and I lost my job so I went down to about $50 a month. I buy the labor pack and occasionally that monthly login and during double coupon I was spending 5 to 10 dollars.
Maybe if a few dollars one time during the exchange for the mall pack task.
So I consider $40-50 a month to be very small and it's definitely not enough to focus on a lot of different things.

I will probably stay around $50 a month because I can feel comfortable with that.
So the fams are going slower now. Like Gargantua talent is 9, same for blackwing, 7 for bon appetiti and they will only grow as I get the free orbs or occasionally the seasonal packs that feel like a great value

Hmmm, so the advice seems to be if I ever can get back to buying the yellow orbs packs, to focus on the fams like frostwing, etc that give the burst damage and until then stay with tempestite

On that note of the p5 shield fam vs the burst attack fam. Does the priority change between defense and offense?
Like shield for defense and attack fam for offense? It always choose attack when possible?

[solid sun]

you can use shield fams for offense as for defense. shield fams are commonly used in wonder battles but you can also use them for defense. You only need to look how many troops will need to fall for them to activate.

[solid sun]

ok then you can call yourself a low spender

[nova quiver]

@orchid island GSM

[orchid island]

Oo

I actually joined a random guild just for getting gems and speeds

Def I need gems for rebuilding

[nova quiver]

Yes

[thorny chasm]

which fam should i train next?
done with the usual hoarder, drider n stuff

im a farmer, so looking for skills that help grow or defend

and nobody pays attention here. i think ill post random igg ids, then atleast seraphim will take notice.

[grave thicket]

And what if i did notice?

[hexed imp]

Suggestion discussion chat

I wanna snitch

[thorny chasm]

lol atleast help me with these

[grave thicket]

[hexed imp]

Did they delete it or you warned them

[grave thicket]

warn they deleted it i think

[hexed imp]

Lols

[solid sun]

you can get the p3 if you dont already have them. Otherwise I think you have all the important stuff

[plain void]

• depend on your troop number
  usually you should have weevil and p1, p2 1st, bcz you use it with low comp and so high comp like I am going to say now

• if the 10% and etc exceed ( 800k of whole troops in solo and 200k for 1 type
  and in rally is 2m ~3m for whole troops and type )

• so go for fams don't need that you exact % of your troops like:
  if you inf front: shaman, jaziek, weevil
  for rng front: magus, terraspike, weevil

• if not exceeding, so go:

if inf front: gryphon, trickstar, magus
if rng front: gryphon, shaman, gemming
( and you can go for shield too, its ur choice )
that's for wall

• if for atk: so stacker, shield, your type hp, 60 hp/atk, the army fams and your type counter hp debuff ( like if you inf, put Cavalry HP Debuff )
  you have many choise in atking, you can put your wall fams, etc

correct me if I am wrong in something

[plain void]

Tell me 4 best familiars to use in range blast Darknest rally together.

No p5.

[plain void]

rng hp, 60% hp/atk, shield, inf hp debuff
you can put rng atk instead of anyone of them too

[plain void]

Trickster, magus, tempestite & gryphon?

[plain void]

trickstar, magus, snow beast, terraspike

and yeah, gryphon can work too

[hexed imp]

Gryphon is SS tier if you don't have p5

[fading snow]

Anyone know about use familiar attack skills to achieve guild fest

[plain void]

wym?

[fading snow]

Where can I use familiar skills

[fading snow]

It means

[plain void]

when you have elder familiar, like pyris

usually in gf it's pyris who getting used

[fading snow]

Oh but I didn't complete adult stage

Any other option

I have kreypy and bone head

[plain void]

nope unfortunately
before you get a mission make sure you can finish it, and ask your guildmate if you don't know what you need to do for this mission

[plain void]

no, only p5 and pyris and grim as I remember

[fading snow]

Ok thanks

[lone gate]

best fams for 424 mix rallies ?

4 slots

[pliant nebula]

p2p?

or f2p

[plain void]

you can say 2 of them, no harm though

and hi, long time no see

how are you?

[pliant nebula]

garg, bon, bunny, blackwing for p2p

trickstar, goblin, gemmin gremlin, gryphon for f2p

[pliant nebula]

im good 🙂

[plain void]

stacks and army atk
442 is same, right?

[pliant nebula]

442 f2p is gryphon, tempestite, trickstar then gemmin gremlin, and magus/mole shaman

but for 4 slots maybe no magus, just the gremlin

gryphon, tempestite, trickstar then gemmin gremlin

[plain void]

if 3 slots?

[pliant nebula]

im not sure tbh lol you can try some stuff but idk how effective 3 slot mix would be

gryphon, tempestite, trickstar maybe in range phal

[warm crag]

[true pagoda]

26,000 shards😭

Idk if I’m just not there yet but I’m at 79.8mil might and I’ve never used my shards and I’m at 80

[plain void]

this was from 2 months

[leaden geyser]

I might be over 50k. Lol

[mighty fiber]

What

[frail vigil]

You will wish you have more soon especially in pact 3

[tranquil hornet]

Hello, can you get jade wyrm pacts for familiar from tycoon ?

[hexed imp]

Nope, only from guild fest (high tier) and mall packs

[pure niche]

Is the game getting some more familiars in the future

[crystal tiger]

For P3 is it worth it upgrading the Adult tiers, or should I just focus on the elder ones?

[frail vigil]

Depends on which but most of them useful like goblin for gold, gemmlin for gems, gryphon for recalls, trickstar for holy stars, and the war skills

Check what you need from these fams and js work toward the ones you need more war skills wise then normal ones

[crystal tiger]

Which fams have good war skils? (not just P3 also like P2 and P1)

[frail vigil]

Pact 1B has aquiris its good for the start and there some others but it depends on what you gonna be like or you planning for your own comp

[crystal tiger]

Also is it better to use all orbs on one fam, or spread them out?

[crystal tiger]

Ty

[frail vigil]

Someone else can give you more and better avices tho im no expert but aquiris been recommended to me for beginning for sta and good/decent war skill

[crystal tiger]

Ok thanks for your help

[frail vigil]

Ofc

[plain void]

front means for wall

p1:
jaziek: for inf front/blast
engineer: for inf front/blast
yeti: cav blast
terraspike: rng front/blast
Gnome: rng front/blast
aquiris: it is good, but some say its not so good and not worth orking on it and that weevil is btr

p2:

• Sorcerer: rng front/blast:
  use if you don't have more than 2m rng for soloing, and if you don't have more than 30m rng for rallies

• strix: cav blast

• evil weevil: from best wall fam

• Tempestite: not everyone use it tbh and you don't have to work on it though

• harrpy: inf front/blast:
  use if you don't have more than 2m inf for soloing, and if you don't have more than 30m inf for rallies

p3:

• mole shaman: inf front/blast:
  use if you don't have more than 4m inf for soloing, and if you don't have more than 60m inf for rallies

• magus: rng front/blast:
  use if you don't have more than 4m rng for soloing, and if you don't have more than 60m rng for rallies

• goblin: cav blast

• Gemming Gremlin: inf front/blast:
  use if you don't have more than 2m inf for soloing, and if you don't have more than 30m inf for rallies

• trickstar: rng front/blast:
  use if you don't have more than 2m rng for soloing, and if you don't have more than 30m rng for rallies

• Noceros: cav blast

• Gryphon: use if you don't have more than 8m total troops for soloing, and if you don't have more than 30m total troops for rallies

p4:

• Snow Beast: rng front/blast:
  use if you don't have more than 1.6m rng for soloing, and if you don't have more than 16.6m rng for rallies

• Saberfang: cav blast

• hoarder: inf front/blast
  use if you don't have more than 1.6m rinf for soloing, and if you don't have more than 16.6m inf for rallies

• Hell Drider: use if you don't have more than 11.4m total troops for soloing, and if you don't have more than 42.8m total troops for rallies

correct me if I said a number rong

you asked about all fams can be used in war

in short:

• you can use for inf front/blast: jaziek, engineer, harrpy, mole shaman, Gemming Gremlin, hoarder
  best for wall are: jaziek, harpy, shaman ( and you can put gryphon and weevil too) but don't forget troops number it need

• you can use for rng front/blast: terraspike, Gnome, Sorcerer, magus, trickstar, Snow Beast
  best for wall are: terraspike, Sorcerer, magus ( and you can put gryphon and weevil too) but don't forget troops number it need

don't use cav for wall, worst thing to do

[plain void]

1 fam only, then work on another
don't work on more than 1 fam use red orbs, and 1 fam use yellow orbs

[storm fable]

Is aquiris, weevil, and gryphon a good combination for 3 slots and for a medium sized troop composition?

[plain void]

I don't know how much troops is medium
but I already wrote how much troops you need to have at most to be able to use gryphon
and yeah, some use aquiris and weevil in same time
boost your army hp, and gryphon, yeah will be good too

[storm fable]

Thank you

[plain void]

welcome

[storm fable]

Oh yeah, I meant like about 20m troops, so I can definitely use gryphon

[plain void]

for rally yeah

[crystal tiger]

tysm bro

[plain void]

anytime

[quiet orchid]

does weevil just adds 15% to your hp, or gets 15% and adds it to your hp (15% of 200 is 30, so it gives 230% , or 215%)?

[plain void]

15 army hp
15 inf/rng/cav

[quiet orchid]

why guys recommend it xd

why i was so silly and upgraded those ones

except trickstar

[plain void]

beastmaster and yeti not this useful
yeti is for cav as I remember, others you will use soon

weevil is from best fams

terraspike and mole shaman can be on wall for inf
depend on the troops number too

mole shaman: inf front/blast:
use if you don't have more than 4m inf for soloing, and if you don't have more than 60m inf for rallies

trickstar is same too

[remote barn]

Hy all! I'm not a PvP wars player. I am f2p and gatherer.
So what familiars (and research, items, etc) are best for me? Pls help
(Reply me so I get notification)

[buoyant horizon]

depends, what u wnt to do, war or like chill farmvile style

[remote barn]

Chill.. no wars (atleast no till I get c25, don't want to destroy my might with P2P players. I don't have money 🙃)

[buoyant horizon]

build a hyper, gear, anything in reserch to increase your stats

[remote barn]

Thanks.. what familiars will help me? Now I m trying to maxing up weevil. And about to unlock pact 3 (may take a week)

[mighty fiber]

Waw

[quiet orchid]

don't think so, i thought it takes the % of your total hp and adds it

[frail vigil]

60m inf sounds too much in itself😭 you meant 6m?

[mighty fiber]

Nah

It's 60m inf

60m each t4

120m each t2

You might cap solos

Not 100% sure

[quiet orchid]

nah it's impossible to cap solo from guy with 60k t4 and 200m might

[plain void]

no, it need 5%
and most rallies casualties are 2 ~ 3m
if you calculated it, you will find that to lose 3m you need 60m at most

[frail vigil]

yea but thats for it to active atleast once so it should be less but lets be real not everyone gonna be sitting with 60m+ each troops type

unless you using some type of t1 trapping or smth

[plain void]

yeah

but js to becoming easier the math
it should be less than 60m

[plain void]

@frail vigil and this is the full list

[frail vigil]

Oh damn i actually needed that lol

[west scroll]

[vestal pine]

what should i use while receiving a rally? range troop comp is around 4m t2 2m t4

i feel like trickstar wont activate (going to unlock magus soon maybe)

[buoyant horizon]

the ones you use rn are good

[plain void]

yeah, you can use the fams that take 10% till you have 30m from 1 type or 30m total
so yeah, but tbh U prefer terraspike or magus instead of Gnome

bcz gnome give you 15% atk

while terraspike give you 15% hp more bcz it give 15% cav hp debuff, so its like you gained more hp

and magus give you 60% hp/atk every 10% of your rng fallen so its like at least 45% more if it activated 1 time
assuming that you have 4m each t2 and 2m each t4
and if the total troops and your might is low and you get soloed, so js put terraspike

[frail vigil]

@plain void suggest me what familiar to work on until i get aquiris to elder (inf front)

I got pact2 unlocked aswell

[quiet orchid]

unlock pact3

dont waste spheres on p2, it's sh1t

[plain void]

you are the shit

lmaoo

[quiet orchid]

your parents and p2 are

[plain void]

kosmk bitch
don't talk about my parents

son of metnaka

[frail vigil]

pact 3 takes so much longer and much more orbs so im staying with p2 for now as solo trap

[frail vigil]

💀💀💀

[quiet orchid]

bro

[plain void]

jaziek, harpy if soloed so 2m inf is the least, weevil is from best too
this 3 who you use in the start and in the ned of the game, may not in mid, but in end when you get ralllied

[quiet orchid]

don't spend on p2

it's hell bad and expensive

just wait to unlock p3 and your account will be better

[plain void]

he insulted my mother b4 and asked mods, but no one answered me
so I will fuck him if he talked about my parents again

[frail vigil]

I'm probably doing Jaziek next

[quiet orchid]

both stupid

[frail vigil]

Go work on your blast gear

[quiet orchid]

you will remember me when you won't have orbs to do familiars from p3

[plain void]

you don't know about fams, so don't talk about it
p3 needs you have 4m or 2m of type for soloing and 8m total troops
rally is 30m or 60m

convince me how you will defend with 4m of each type only a solo

[quiet orchid]

done it

[plain void]

p3 not this good, it wants that you have so low comp for solo, its good for rally only tbh

[quiet orchid]

this guy wants to be a solo trap, not a rally trap

[frail vigil]

I honestly prefer getting 3 fams maxed with 800-1K orbs than only one then having pain with rest

[frail vigil]

t3 solo traps must have around 8-10M troops

[quiet orchid]

i spent like 300 orbs on trickstar and now every 10% range losing it buffs me on 40+ atk

[plain void]

8 - 12m *

[frail vigil]

I went with least (3M inf, 3M range/cav t2, Some inf t2 with some siege) 9-10M

and doesnt sound bad either

[frail vigil]

Ik i got it maxed on my main

[plain void]

p3 isn't best for solo you know
10% of one type for solo is so low

[frail vigil]

and i got gryphon to lv5-6

Pact3 is mostly good for attacking mid for wall (depending)

[quiet orchid]

100% atk on maxed trickstar > 15% on maxed p2

[plain void]

p3 not for wall

[quiet orchid]

you will 100% get 10% range loss when will get a solo cav hit

[quiet orchid]

who said it

[frail vigil]

Depends whos hitting me honestly but i seen people dont get there with solos

[quiet orchid]

like 15% atk is nothing

[frail vigil]

40% inf hp reduce and 15% army hp reduce is smth

[plain void]

stats and amount for troops loss it need

[frail vigil]

and 15% atk is also smth

[quiet orchid]

you can just unlock 4 fam slot and put 3 p3 on wall and maybe gryphon or etc

[plain void]

15 hp is btr, I don't like atk p1/2, js the hp ones

[frail vigil]

Im sure that will get me to over 200M might i dont wanna get there yet unless i got t4 to make t4 trap

[plain void]

200m will get rallied in closed

[frail vigil]

and its not like im going against titans

[plain void]

for open you have till 300m

[quiet orchid]

why xd, unlocked all familiars from p3 already, except gryphon

and need 1 more technoball for 3 fam slot

[frail vigil]

and i dont either have 2400 orbs for 3 pact 3 its gonna take a while so p1/p2 is good for me for the start

[plain void]

p1/2 hp ones are for early/end game

I mean in troops though

[plain void]

#👾┊familiars message

[frail vigil]

@quiet orchid @plain void

[quiet orchid]

who is it

[frail vigil]

A friend

[quiet orchid]

If you have inf front i don't think you need to debuff enemies rng

So better to use guy who gives sapphires

[frail vigil]

ig his point is to debuff any attacks hps thats why he said -40x3

[quiet orchid]

Yes, but if your inf will be strongest, you don't need to debuff enemies range

Maybe weevil or gremlin instead

[frail vigil]

I will still be getting range and inf hits tho not js cav bec im inf front i will be using anti scout so no one knows that

[quiet orchid]

You will kill rng 100%

No need to debuff

[frail vigil]

So everything works
im getting Aquiris, Jaziek, and Terraspike maybe

[quiet orchid]

Yes, just don't do magmalord

Better wait until p3 and do gremlin

[plain void]

so I was right, hp fams are most important for a trap

[plain void]

not always silly, sometimes the trap don't have the enough stats + the debuff will be like counters like him
will make him make more dmg on rng and take less dmg from rng, bcz the rng will target his cav though

[jolly sun]

I like my shield fam + jade + weevil setup

[plain void]

f2p

• traps dont open p4

jade p2p
shield is p4 which solo traps don't open

[jolly sun]

depends what trap 🤷🏼‍♂️ it's not that much might and shields are op for multi rallies

[jolly sun]

solo traps don't go 4 slots either

[plain void]

yup, I know

but you saying 3 fams

I am saying about 2 of them

[jolly sun]

yeah cuz I'm smol low might

[plain void]

stack for solo trap?

you stupid or what?

[jolly sun]

it works nice if you have a t3 front

[quiet orchid]

100% atk for 10% loses

[jolly sun]

gets you more than a -40 one type hp fam

[quiet orchid]

then it's a bad trap if he can't cap troops he MUST cap

[jolly sun]

I'm not even strong and I get 1100+ hp (troop+army) the -40 is negligible he's better off increasing his stats 🤷🏼‍♂️

[plain void]

t3 front usually start from 2.5m to 3m
and for solo usually its only 200k / 1 fight
@hexed imp isn't this why stack not good for solo traps?

[jolly sun]

if the solo does 200k it's not the solo you worry about

the solos you're worried about are counters from strong accounts

that go over your infirms which is usually 700k+ dmg

[plain void]

traps don't cap always stupid + I am saying it dec the dmg that the rng do to inf and cav

[jolly sun]

like this

[quiet orchid]

i understand it's hard to cap cav in inf front, but he must cap range in it

[plain void]

yeah, this is hard 1
half the front is died lol

[quiet orchid]

even if attacker will have 1000%

[jolly sun]

wasn't even a max acc

[quiet orchid]

1m t3 red hurts

[plain void]

mini lead maybe, but his stats is high

[jolly sun]

1060 lvls 131 bless so fairly low artis not full +12

and he sent t2 in his march

[plain void]

fair enough

[jolly sun]

and that trap has like 400 mix so not too bad for solos

found his stats

[quiet orchid]

In my opinion his trap needs gremlin, jaizek and terraspike (jaizek and terra to debufg; gremlin to boost inf on 100-200% atk)

[jolly sun]

why would he need a inf stacker on range front lol

[quiet orchid]

i mean @frail vigil

[jolly sun]

oh than ye

stacker works

[quiet orchid]

yep

[frail vigil]

@frail vigil *

[quiet orchid]

pinged wrong guy lol

[atomic oar]

😍

[thorny chasm]

are p3s that does +60% HP & ATK atk good for wall? given 5% is bound to fall in 20m or 30m comp.

[plain void]

4m for soloing is the max and 60m for rallies is the max, so yeah

its already half the max

[thorny chasm]

[tacit swallow]

Who has a lot of information about pyris?

[buoyant horizon]

what's up

[deft hornet]

Is shield fam good for defending or p5?

When taking rallies with 28m troops?

[rotund salmon]

4% p5 are the best including jade wyrm if you could spend money on them. Hell drider is also great for defending blasts since it is activated at 7% total troops loss and stops 25% of the enemy troops from doing any damage

[plain void]

Snow Beast: rng front/blast:
use if you don't have more than 1.6m rng for soloing, and if you don't have more than 16.6m rng for rallies

Saberfang: cav blast

hoarder: inf front/blast
use if you don't have more than 1.6m inf for soloing, and if you don't have more than 16.6m inf for rallies

p5:

• hoey hops/ frostwing/ queen bee:
  use if you don't have more than 10m hole troops for soloing, and if you don't have more than 37.5m hole troops for rallies

• bon appeti/ gargantua/ blackwing/ jade:
  use if you don't have more than 20m hole troops for soloing, and if you don't have more than 75m hole troops for rallies

like ucae said

but with more info of lost troops you need

🙂

[frail vigil]

you copy pasted snowbeast to hoarder

[plain void]

yeah, its in the old one
the merge thing got to me now

noticed while making the p5

[frail vigil]

shouldnt it be inf instead of rng in hoarder

[plain void]

.

[plain void]

yeah, I didn't noticed it till now

problem that no one tried to read it

[deft hornet]

If i use inf wedge do i have to train more inf to defend and use hoarder?

[plain void]

yeah, hoarder will work

[deft hornet]

Right now i have 2m t4 each and 7m t2 each

Im trynna figure out if i could tank a rally with inf front

Or do i have to train more troops and which troops if im running inf front

My fam walls as of now are aquarius weevil and terra

[plain void]

so 9m inf
you can use
see the mentioned msg

[plain void]

for me terra is btr for wall

[deft hornet]

For example they the p5 and i have more inf isnt like my inf front gonna get destroyed eaiser?

[plain void]

you will loose half the inf always
but its 7% of inf you will protect only in the last

[deft hornet]

So its better to build more inf and have hoarder? And let their p5 attack my inf right?

[tacit swallow]

Hi

[tranquil hornet]

how much total does pack 5 familiar cost ? (wyrm, from only packs)

[frail vigil]

According to someone in #💵┊packs
They said about 30$ for adult and 200$ more to max it (this is for wyrm)

[grave pond]

after growing griffin what familiar ‘s talent from p4 is better to grow? ty

[hexed imp]

Shield familiar
Cav/range/inf
Choose 1

[plain void]

I've a question.. imagine range atk is 600%, when max trickster activates.. it'll become 700%, 800% ....so on.. or 1200, 1800..so on?

[hexed imp]

Yes

[buoyant horizon]

in the battle only

[quartz geode]

Is the 600% attack better or the 150% 5 times fam better?

[jolly sun]

Depends for what

600% are nice for defending your turf while 150% are better on forts and when attacking to do max possible dmg

But for a blast you kinda need both

[remote barn]

Q1: HOW MANY MYSTIC SPIRES AND SPRING IS GOOD TO HAVE??

(I want lots of pacts in one time also i train focused - one familiar at a time. Q2: IS THIS OK OR SHOULD I DO SOME CHANGES IN THAT)

[jolly sun]

If you have this fam than 1 spire 1 gym rest springs

If you don't have him than 2 spires are ok

[plain void]

like kari said and yeah, you should train one fam at a time

[remote barn]

Whats special in it? I am maxing out gemming fam right now 🤔🤔

[plain void]

the skill you see in it

making you able to merge 5 pacts + what you can

[jolly sun]

If you have the 1st skill on it maxed it removes the need for a 2nd spire

[remote barn]

Wow nice..

Is there any event which make me use of lots of pacts so I get some prize???
Or use these pacts as soon as I get these?

[mighty fiber]

merging hell

[plain void]

nope, no prizes from opening
making them in watcher hell, paragon, exchange, gf, etc.

[deft hornet]

Is jade wyrm good for defending?

In wall

[plain void]

p5:
hoey hops/ frostwing/ queen bee:
use if you don't have more than 10m hole troops for soloing, and if you don't have more than 37.5m hole troops for rallies

bon appeti/ gargantua/ blackwing/ jade:
use if you don't have more than 20m hole troops for soloing, and if you don't have more than 75m hole troops for rallies

[remote barn]

Thanks both of you

[plain void]

welcome

[remote barn]

So opening it now 😴

[plain void]

yup

[solid sun]

If you want to have the maximum efficiency you need to build like 4 springs, 3 gyms and 1 spire because the more heroes you use to train 1 familiar the less efficient it will be. There are a few good yt videos that explain it really good. If you are f2p you will see at one point that getting the pacts isnt as hard as training. You could also build full springs first and then switch to full gyms. I am not sure which of both ways is better

[last path]

Trap familiar

[plain void]

in my opinion
for rng front: can go to magus, terraspike, weevil
if inf front: shaman, jaziek, weevil

you get 90% hp and 60 atk in total if the p3 activated 1 time

[clever cape]

I just finished aquiris on a weak kingdom ( 1485)
what familiar should I go for next? I'm still a t3 player

[frail vigil]

If you hyper any type of rss go for weevil

[clever cape]

whatts some war familiars I should work on?

again.. new player in early kingdom

[hexed imp]

If you're p2p go for
Gryphon, shield familiars and p5 and stackers and 60% hp/atk

If you're f2p then stackers are 60% hp/atk should be your priority then gryphon and shield familiars

[jolly sun]

60 atk/hp unnecessary for p2p if you're doing shield fams

They are nice for types you don't have shields for tho

[hexed imp]

Gotcha 👌

[plain void]

Isn't the 60% are a bit btr for f2p than stackers to work on 1st?

[jolly sun]

If you want to do DNs or attack people it is much worse to work on 60% ones but if you only want to be hit and want one for wall than maybe 60% could have an argument for being a better first pick still would depend on comp since stackers are just better fams

[plain void]

hmm, gotcha

[restive haven]

what are best fam to put on the wall ( defend )

[polar salmon]

Join me in u r guild

[grizzled token]

Can anyone send exchange centre code

[plain void]

https://discord.com/channels/668740845918355456/670080270845870101 send it here

[tranquil hornet]

whats the most efficient way to lvl skills of my familiars?

[hexed imp]

<@&917948198297944104> this pervert got hacked

[plain void]

?ban @plain void

Great Dyno dead

[cinder thunder]

[plain void]

knew it, I don't think that all the rooms will be used in this small time

[stray narwhal]

Black wing

[vestal pine]

which ones should i use on wall while defending a rally ( troop comp is around 3m t4 each, 4-5m t2 each)

[icy stag]

If I can only get one, which P5 should I get?

[wheat pivot]

if youre trap, choose which matches your front

[plain void]

jade wyrm, for counters and can be used in anything: wonders, wall, pvp

[icy stag]

Thanks

[hexed imp]

Welcome

[plain void]

so its 7m of each type
I think harpy will be btr than gnome and switch gryphon with your front stacker bcz gryphon need 2.1m of hole troops while stacjer ned 700k of 1 type

[hushed vortex]

How much does bunny cost to get the leader free

[jolly sun]

18

it's a great source of misinformation

yes

that's what it would take if it was 36

yes

[wheat pivot]

🤡

😱

😱

[hushed vortex]

In money

[quartz geode]

36 for 2

[woven thorn]

Opinion - on the overall for a mixed attack (let’s say 947), for cav fams, would you prefer garg with 600% atk once….or the stacker 3 cav that keeps on keeping on?

[leaden geyser]

Ppl prefer P5s over everything else for a troop type specific fam.

[woven thorn]

Kinda what I’m going with. Was just curious on different opinions but this one may be face value. Got the (3) 600%’ers, plus hell drider and jade all maxed.

[leaden geyser]

Ofc it also depend on what you are fighting. For wonders ppl like 150% ones and sometimes shield fams. over certain dmg ones.

For pvp blast however 2x P5s are first priority. Then P3 stacker and shield.

[jolly sun]

if you're countering someone I'd even say that p3 stacker does more for you than the p5 whenever I see people send without stacker their hits are always bad

p5 are very important against online targets tho or for getting burn on targets that is getting frontline reins that counter your rally

[woven thorn]

For sure blast sends have stackers. I’m more or less planning for the worst, to assume all targets online, so mixed sends were the question mark for fams.

[jolly sun]

if you sending mix on players 3xshield drider and jade works ok

or if running 866 with mostly inf/ all inf from lead cav+inf shield jade drider bunny or if feeling confident about walkback can even do inf shield bon bunny jade drider

[high zephyr]

hello. what shield fam would you suggest to unlock first? I'm done with all P3 army talents and as a low spender I won't go for P5, so my guess is shield fams right now. I could max one army talent in one go. I'm thinking of inf shield but I'd like to hear your opinion on that.

[rotund salmon]

gryphon done?

[high zephyr]

yes, it is.

[fierce crystal]

Please help me

[tardy needle]

Preferably, beast for range formations.

[tardy needle]

If someone has them, please do try both drider and tempestite. Since both are to petrify the enemy's larg swud.

And post them reports, either trial by fire or camps.

[jade stump]

what is the best familiar other than Evil Weevil and Aquiris for big comps? when defending#

[atomic mason]

Jade or bon?

For non war usage

[jade stump]

thanks

[atomic mason]

Lol

I was asking a question

[jade stump]

lol , sorry

[quartz geode]

I mean they are both pretty much used for war. Jade is pretty much the best familiar

[weak yew]

New f2p player how do I get more talent orbs ?

[frail vigil]

hell events, login daily, exchange extravaganza, guild fest, and sometimes events on news pages or collab event shop (not often)

[weak yew]

Thanks

[onyx cosmos]

jade is way better than bon

[deft ember]

ok

[hexed imp]

ok

[zealous ibex]

IGG ID 1864936493 GEMS

[unkempt basin]

IGG ID: 1897733029

[plain void]

whats that for?

[versed fern]

1510524730

[grave thicket]

@zealous ibex @unkempt basin @versed fern why you posting those numbers here?

[whole python]

To get thier account hacked or something lol
They are speed running to get hacked

[magic pumice]

I am new in IGG
So can you tell how will use familiars in fights

?

[frail vigil]

you need to get it to level 50 and upgrade to elder, then you need orbs to unlock battle skills, then you need to unlock familiar slots from familiar battles researches

[severe ruin]

I have completely maxed pack 1-3 fams which pack 4 fams should I focus on?

[hexed imp]

Gryphon then shield familiars

[agile plaza]

Does anyone know much about helldrider? Please tag me, thanks!

[shut geode]

Looking for players to join us in 1557 our guild is TC3.
We are a fairly new kingdom but we are second in the kingdom and are looking for some more players to help us kick some ass

[tardy needle]

Within fam battles, gryphon (reckon already maxed) the beast, or certainly other shield ones/ depends upon your use.

[tardy needle]

Drider, certainly one of the game changers but unless above lvl 7 or something.

For newbies, p3 fams (stackers and certainly the tempestite)

[agile plaza]

Can you tell me more about their passive skill “prison break” I was kinda shocked my leader was released instantly from a weird attack (long story)

[hexed imp]

10% chance to trigger it's passive.

1. if you attack someone and your lead gets captured and the ability gets activated your leader will come back
2. if you get zeroed, prison break can get activated releasing your leader

I remember, I was giving my leader to a friend, prison break got triggered 3 times in a row lol

I also remember this- I was zeroing some castles and skill got activated and the leader went back lol

[agile plaza]

Right? It’s seemingly 100% probability instead of 10%

That’s why I was shocked

I mean I couldn’t understand it

[hexed imp]

I don't think it's 100%
Else nobody will capture any lead.
I guess, people get lucky with 10% getting triggered in a row or few days apart

0.1×0.1×0.1=0.1 ^3
=0.001
That's the probability of it triggering 3 times in a row

[wheat crescent]

1375753994

[merry ridge]

452446325

[south mist]

why is everyone putting their igg ids here its familiars

[golden grove]

I have got the pacts through tycoon to elder most my P5 Fams, I have enough Orbs to max one - What would the best one to do first? I need around 100 more pacts before I can elder Jade so would probably do Jade second. My stats tend to favor inf and then range, so wasn't sure which would be best, Bon Appetit for wall + rallies or Huey Hops just for rallies?

[agile plaza]

Huey hops for sure if you are a rally leader.
Otherwise blackwing is awesome too

[frigid glacier]

Hmm, I have all the essential red orb using attack fams completed, and I have tempestite max also. But I wonder if tempestite is still the best 5th slot or if it's best in all situations either way.. What do you think I should use my red orbs on next?

By essential I mean I have every fam with an attack talent maxed

[versed drum]

No idea, sorry.

I'm a 450m might player, I have maxed Aquiris, Evil Weevil, Trickstar, Goblin and Gremlin.

[frigid glacier]

Somebody else did mention weevil is good so I may do it next

[hexed imp]

Tempestite is very situational
Gotta lose lots of troops before it activates
You can get those debuff familiar -40% inf cav range hp
Or weevil to buff your army hp

[solid sun]

How high can I make the skills of jade when its lvl 49?

[leaden geyser]

At lvl 50 both till lv8 I think.

[solid sun]

Ok thank you

[wheat pivot]

hello i plan on having gryphon, eevil weevil, aquiris, and 60% rng hp atk, familiar, can anyone suggest any improvements (f2p)

[dusk sable]

Bon appetite and Gargantuan

Will give extra 600% inf and cav attack

[hexed imp]

He can definitely get them and maxed them as f2p

[hexed imp]

Get all the 60% atk hp

• 80% hp increase
  Maybe enemy debuff
  After gryphon work on shield familiars

Just telling you long term goal

[wheat pivot]

i am planning to do shield fam first

[uncut turret]

For the 600% familiar Army Talents (Blackwing, Bon Appeti, Gargantua) is it better to start and max one at a time, or start all 3 first?

[leaden geyser]

Always one at a time.

[hushed vortex]

What fam is best p5?

[hexed imp]

Jade wrym

[ancient sedge]

It's very hard to get talent orbs, any tips?

[jolly sun]

other than spending money on packs only real option is talent orbs being hard to get and just patiently doing hell events and collecting red ones from occasional deals in cargo + taking them in exchange extravaganza / fest whenever they show up

[ancient sedge]

How do I complete extravaganza it's very hard

[wanton hedge]

get every possible boost that you can for it, and save every single speed up that you can get for it. Extravaganza isn't easy for beginner accounts from what I've experienced with it.

[timid dirge]

[ancient sedge]

Thanks

[warped timber]

Hey CJ

[peak fog]

What is extravaganza?

[wanton hedge]

a few days event where you need to complete tasks to get points and exchange those points for rewards.

[nimble raptor]

Can anyone show me the best familiars for blasts and mix? I have all 5 slots, and not the p2p faniliars

[kind vortex]

Damn

[clear linden]

With this, Which Familiar is good to defense role?

[wanton hedge]

generally you want to avoid ones that proc after x% of your total troops have died.

[clear linden]

No hoarder, Saber fang etc?

[wanton hedge]

I don't know much about what the familiar skills do, but let's say one procs every 10% of your troops die, they can stack which is good, but when you have 20 mill troops in your castle 10% of that is 2 million, which is a lot of troops, so he may not proc at all compared to when attacking.

[wheat pivot]

shield fam are real good

[clear linden]

My shield fam is not lv10. But when I put in it, Which fam is bad for then? 10% HP army buff/debuff or troop type debuff fams?

[wheat pivot]

there is an order pinned

i follow that

[dusky scroll]

Blackwing worth it as one of the five for 424 variants for wonders if you only have bon, blackwing, jade for p5?

[tardy relic]

Should I have increase inf atk by 15% or Jade wyrm on my wall (Jade wyrm ability is only level 1) . If not Jade wyrm then what point does it become better

[dusty zenith]

How can I use my familiars in battles

[buoyant crater]

Unlock familiar battle slots

[hoary comet]

which familiars should I use for inf blast

I was using these lmk if I should change any

[buoyant horizon]

Bunny/ Hell Drider/ Jade Wyrm/ Gryphon/ Gemming gremlin

[leaden geyser]

Why no bon in that.

Bon > Gryphon.

And if can Inf shield then it's > Drider.

[hoary comet]

Thanks

I did this but swapped drider for bon

[wheat pivot]

?

[warped timber]

HELLO

[agile plaza]

Could you tell me if this one’s worth?
How much do the skillstones cost to craft? I’m currently working on this one..hence all the Qs lol

[leaden geyser]

1600 to max the Army Talent (Same as other P2P P5s) and it's mainly used in Range Blast and 055.

18 Chaos core for skillstone. Normally BW only worth for WoW Rallies but sometimes they do them in PvP too.

It's certainly better than sending a reaper at an enemy ;))

[agile plaza]

Cheers Ravi for the detailed info x

[limber leaf]

[ember spire]

Help.

HELLLLLL —p.

[grave thicket]

What is up with people saying help and expecting we know what they need help with. Its dumb

[south mist]

[unkempt vale]

What are the best wall familiars if you are taking in ranged wedge and getting countered?

[hexed imp]

• negative enemy inf hp
• shield familiar
• increase range hp 80%
• increase range hp and atk by 60%

[plain void]

Is there any difference in Petrify & stun ( hell drider & tempestite ) except their timings & duration.

[opaque kiln]

I don't know if my question belongs to this tab. But it's about familiar so anyway let me ask you guys. Will this researches works? Like, even if I deploy range talent familiars with an infantry troops?
Or will this research will not work on infantry troops if I deploy none infantry type of familiar?

[solid sun]

I think if you use a familiar in battle you will get these buffs. Doesnt matter what army type they are

[old lark]

hello Ryusaki .....

hello Ryusaki .....

me wai king

[haughty matrix]

Mn

[plain void]

does anyone has a screenshot for familiar battalion setup with heros for range inf and cav

[plain void]

yes

I would like to setup battalion

[plain void]

Thank you so much brother!! have a blessed weekend

[solid sun]

In inf blast you should use soul forger instead of goblin because goblin only gives 20% army attack but soul forger gives 30% inf attack

The other ones are good. You could use the heal sea thing instead of rose knight which would give you another 10% but you would need to change leader every time so its not practacle

No problem

[tribal hazel]

Is this a good fam comp to have for mix ? (I have every familiar except the Def ones and the P2P)

[wheat pivot]

Do you have shield fam*

[quartz geode]

Hmmm, i am pretty sure hell drider and tempest will attack the same squad so no point in having two

I could be wrong tho

Evil weeble is not that great

A stacking fam would probably be better

[leaden geyser]

It seem your other fams are lower level since I don't see trickstar etc.

[tribal hazel]

They only activate at 10%> it's too much

[tribal hazel]

Nope

[quartz geode]

Are you defending a mix rally or attacking?

[tribal hazel]

That's my mix atk setup

I'll use it for stuff like 424 442 etc

[quartz geode]

Yeah so a stacking would be better than evil bug

[tribal hazel]

Which one should I choose tho?

[queen mist]

Whatever you use as the frontline. What are you sending 424 and 442 at if you don’t have pact 5?

[quartz geode]

Yeah pretty much

For 424, I recommend cav stacking

[floral oxide]

weevil + hell drider + bow shield + cav shield good?

[quartz geode]

No

Replace weevil with gryphon

2 shield is not that great

A stacking would be better to deal more damage

[tribal hazel]

You're supposed to be in range front for that right?

[quartz geode]

Yeah generally

But if the opponent were to send a range front 424 as well or similar comps, you would do better if your range dies quicker then your opponent

I can’t really explain it well

[hexed imp]

You'll get warned for this

[nimble zealot]

What the best wall defense familiars paid and non paid line up

[tribal hazel]

Depends on how big the comp is @nimble zealot

[dawn flower]

I have a question
Whether I showed open pact 3 griffen familear or pact 5 familear Blackwing in protective kingdom means in first 3 month but if i open griffen i can upgrade to lv 10 which os 200% attack boosts but blackwing i can upgrade to lv 6 which is 264% approx

[quartz geode]

Gryphon is useable with every comp

And every troop type

[worldly hull]

If you are small, Gryphon is much better for defending your castle.

[narrow night]

Is pact 5 damage affected by counter stats? I.e. if your blackwing's 600% dmg (based on rng atk) were to affect a cav squad, would it deal more dmg than if it hit an inf squad? Or is the damage neutral across all troop types?

[rigid swan]

Hello, I want to ask what should I use my Brilliant Orbs for: Jade Wyrm or Snow Beast + Saberfang?
I currently have maxed Gryphon and Hoarder war skill. And I want to become a fort holder for my guild.

[leaden geyser]

I doubt only couple fams. will help ya. Ya need a lot of them.

To effectively play different comps.

[rigid swan]

Sorry, forget to add: I mostly holding fort in DA, not WoW

[rigid swan]

Yes, I know about that. But my guild is mostly f2p, so I hope I can do something to help them in DA

[leaden geyser]

A lot would suggest Wyrm but I don't see it huge improvement over gryphon.

I would personally do Drider assuming you have 4 slots open.

Atm I do a stacker (tier 3 fam.), bunny, gryphon and drider for myself.

However the opinions may differ on doing drider.

[rigid swan]

Thank you for your suggestion

[floral oxide]

Wyrm

you will ask this question because you have not enough orb , therefore wyrm good for you as it can used in any situation, no need to think about the combination problem

[quartz geode]

Tempest is similar to drider so I am not sure why you would get drider over other p5 first

[wanton hedge]

so t4 and t1 troops are simillar?

also has 10% inf HP in his first skill when at max level.

[quartz geode]

What kind of comparison is that?

Hell drider is better than tempest but I don’t think its worth making before other p5

And we are talking about skills here

[wanton hedge]

upgrading their army skill is one thing

obtaining the familiar is another

"Why would you get" refers to obtaining.

[quartz geode]

Huh

They are both f2p bro

And we are talking about skills

Tempest and hell drider have the same skill but temper is shorter

[wanton hedge]

look at what you asked again.. "Why would you get"

that's not "why would you upgrade it's army skill"

[quartz geode]

Bro is analyzing my text

I am sorry I didn’t mention the skill, I thought there was enough Context

[floral oxide]

have a question on gym , so many people recommend build one gym only and rest spring. however i see it have the marginal utility on it. The result will be like that.

thinking to build multiple gym to get a better efficiency

[quartz geode]

Gym gives you barely any exp

Its the heros which help you gain more exp

So by having one gym, and assigning all heros to the gym will be similar to what you would expect from let’s say 7 gyms

Furthermore, you will always be low on Anima so having a lot of springs will help you keep up with what you need(merging pacts)

This is especially true when there is a merging hell event

[wanton hedge]

not only that, but springs do give Merging speed boost for pacts, and skillstones at level 25, really important for completing hell events, makes them a lot cheaper.

[potent badge]

👆👆☝️☝️ for those who want to know how many yellow talent orbs for each level of army talent . In this case is Bon Appeti, total 1440 talent orbs. Might not be the same for other familiar

[jolly sun]

you skipped first lvl that's 160

[potent badge]

Yes I skip because they will know how many before lvl 1. What they do not know is after lvl 1 till 10

[quartz geode]

I think all p5 cost 1.6k orbs expect hell drider

[deft ember]

Hell drider costs 2k?

[deft ember]

I want to know how to get 500 yellow orbs in a month without spending

[north spindle]

Oh god this will take forever

[deft ember]

[jolly sun]

1280

[tribal hazel]

Same I want orbs badly

By the way which is the best familiar to spend orbs on

Second question: how much to get 170 jade medals f2p?

[hexed imp]

Shield fam 💪

[potent badge]

For hyper resources ?

[tribal hazel]

Aren't p5 better?

[hexed imp]

I thought you're f2p.
I mean..I'm f2p aswell but got blackwing to elder stage but I'm prioritising shield fam

[potent badge]

What's shield familiar?

[tribal hazel]

Black wing expensive AF

[tribal hazel]

I'm not f2p I already got all the fams maxed but I am thinking of acquiring the orbs f2p otherwise I'd have to spend hundreds for each. So I'm looking to see who I'm prioritising

[tribal hazel]

Snow beast Saber fang and Hoarder

All 3 the same only the troop type changes (Cavalry, infantry and ranged)

[potent badge]

In this game, the best defense is to atk.

In other game, wall and defence are most important

In this game, wall is least important

Haha

[tribal hazel]

Thank god wall isn't important

But shield fans are good actually. Not the best but they're good @potent badge

[hexed imp]

Hell events and ee and kvk are few events where you can get orb.
Other than that you gotta buy pack.
Getting orbs as a f2p is pain in the rectum

[tribal hazel]

I know. It's gonna take a long time

[hexed imp]

Id argue on that.
Shield fam are easily one of the best familiar

[tribal hazel]

Maybe I'll buy a pack here as there

[jolly sun]

for wall nothing beats a shield frontline fam

[tribal hazel]

If I have to only focus on one I doubt I'll go for a shield familiar and not a p5 one

Is shield familiar that strong

[hexed imp]

Yes it is

Lemme see if I can find that battle report

[jolly sun]

like let's take this as an example you get full countered while offline, the moment range drops by 3.9m shield activates, this means that next 2.3m dmg they do gets eaten by the shield so there's a very good chance that full counter they did with a 1600% blast account that would normally kill like 6m of your front now only killed 3.9m

[tribal hazel]

Saves them from a killing blow means that they will not die no matter die? All battle?

[jolly sun]

and every next hit they do it activates sooner

[tribal hazel]

Oh so it makes them unkillable all battle

But wouldn't that make wiping your frontline impossible? You will always have some troops there

[jolly sun]

it gives you a shield that eats damage till it exceeds 7% of your total of that troop type

[tribal hazel]

I don't understand

7% what

[jolly sun]

and after that shield gets killed they start doing dmg to your troops normally

[tribal hazel]

How much does the shield last for I didn't understand

Exceeds 7% of my total troop type what exactly?

[jolly sun]

it lasts till it gets broken by dmg from attacker or till end of battle

[hexed imp]

I would've taken way more damage if it was not for maxed shield fam @tribal hazel

[jolly sun]

here shield activated after losses exceeded 506k

[tribal hazel]

Yes but how much dmg does the attacker needs to do

It doesn't tell how beefy the shield is. And it doesn't have a time

[jolly sun]

can you read

7% of your total troop count

for that type

worth of dmg

[jolly sun]

and ate 300k of the dmg before breaking

[tribal hazel]

Sorry I'm slow. That's how many troops it protects. Is it also how much DMG the shield can asbord

[jolly sun]

it protects all your troops

[tribal hazel]

And how can you quantify DMG in troops

[jolly sun]

from that type

[tribal hazel]

Ooh. All front troops

[jolly sun]

your range can only start taking dmg again after the shield dies

[tribal hazel]

I thought it only protects 7% of the ranged troops

[jolly sun]

and shield absorbs what 7% of your range troops would absorb before deactivating

[tribal hazel]

So it protects all my ranged troops until the enemy deals 7% of DMG?

I don't get it

[hexed imp]

Range shield for range troops
Cav shield for cav
And same for inf

It activates once your, let's say 12% range gets killed/damaged
And it protects your range troops until 7% damage taken on range troops exceed

[jolly sun]

don't get it than idk

[tribal hazel]

So when my range troops take 107% the DMG needed to kill them the shield will disappear?

I had to turn music off to think better lol

[jolly sun]

you have 10m range troops

rally hits you

kills 1.2m range

activates shield

next 700k troops that would die get absorbed by shield instead

[hexed imp]

Dude is enjoying no slowmode restriction lol

[jolly sun]

than shield deactivates and you start losing troops again

[tribal hazel]

So it basically just delays the troops you should have lost. Therefore you lose less

[hexed imp]

Ye

[jolly sun]

and you are still killing the rally while the "fake" troops from shield are dying so in a best case scenario with big comp dmg might just not exceed the 12% needed to activate shield

[tribal hazel]

Oh ok. So it basically protects the dmg equivalent to kill 7% of the troops

[jolly sun]

yes

[hexed imp]

I'm glad shield fams are not p5

[tribal hazel]

Thanks guys. Sorry I'm slow

[jolly sun]

if you are countering hits it won't do much but it helps a lot when you take a counter or with smaller comp when you defend against mix

[tribal hazel]

I calculated and I only need like 2n dmg to activate it @jolly sun

[jolly sun]

yeah so it's good for you against mix

[tribal hazel]

A normal hit will probably do that too if I don't have war gear

[hexed imp]

That's a lot ;_;

[tribal hazel]

I got a big comp

[hexed imp]

Oh

[jolly sun]

for me it takes 3.9m on my alt

[tribal hazel]

But a normal rally leads easily deals 2m dng

[hexed imp]

Welp, you guys are built to take counters
Counters hurt my tiny comp

[tribal hazel]

Unless I counter him. And even then it's gonna be close

What about offense. What's the best fam

[jolly sun]

that's assuming fams hit same troop type as rally tho

[tribal hazel]

Also isn't jade wyrm better fam for defense than Shield?

[hexed imp]

I have no clue about jade ngl

[tribal hazel]

If I'm in range front how it has to be the same

[jolly sun]

idk I haven't tested but I doubt it shield is insanely overpowered

I just run both on all 3 of my accounts

[tribal hazel]

I need to choose a p4-5 to max battle skills

[hexed imp]

Jade + shield on wall and you won't get hurt even on counter.

[tribal hazel]

I have all fams max (except Jade) but no max battle skills on any except hell drider

[tribal hazel]

I'm working towards that

[hexed imp]

I'm upgrading my trap acc
Gonna make t3 range on that prolly 3-4m
Idk how it'll work with shield fam

[jolly sun]

took a full counter with 1.8m each t4/t5 from a full +12 inf set on my alt and it did 5m dmg on my farm talents mh gear 😅

[hexed imp]

Naah that's crazy

[tribal hazel]

But I might go for snow beast p4 are significantly cheaper than p5

[jolly sun]

I forgot about the account in chaos arena and some dude hit it randomly

[jolly sun]

that's why shields are so nice

[tribal hazel]

Meanwhile I was trying to get tested offering people to counter me no gear and still wouldn't rally

They didn't even wanna rally me in DA

[jolly sun]

account was 1.1b in purple/gold mh gear

🤷‍♂️

[tribal hazel]

I'm a bit fatter

Anyway what lv does it need to be worth putting on my wall? This is my wall:

I'll probably replace gryphon

[jolly sun]

like lvl4/5

[tribal hazel]

Ok. Grinding for orbs gonna take a lot

[jolly sun]

your current wall is very bad

[tribal hazel]

[jolly sun]

for 5 slots

[tribal hazel]

That hurts man.

For the familiars I have I don't think I can get anything better

[jolly sun]

trickstar and gryphon are both crap if you have a proper comp

[tribal hazel]

I told you I got all fams maxed but need orbs

Gryphon is bad. But Trickster us good cause it's not 10% overall troops. Just ranged troops

[jolly sun]

that's pretty much what everyone with an old account has

the maxed fams no orbs

[tribal hazel]

Give me orbs and my wall will look like a rally lead

[jolly sun]

issue with trickstar is that effect doesn't help much

[tribal hazel]

Yeah don't ask me. Probably spent all the orbs on Hell drider

[jolly sun]

if you're losing 10% range you're likely getting hit by inf

100% range atk doesn't exactly help much against that

[tribal hazel]

The alternative is boosting range hp by 80%

[jolly sun]

much better

[hexed imp]

You're range front?

[tribal hazel]

Ok. But I'm putting that in the gryphon slot

Yes. Ideally

[hexed imp]

This is what I'm using for range front
I'll test -40% inf hp and cav atk hp in next arena to see which works better.

[tribal hazel]

I could put hell drider but 7% means almost 3.5m troops will have to die. If I'm not taking a counter I won't take that much never

[hexed imp]

I wanted to get drider aswell but changed my mind lol
Takes so much losses to activate

[tribal hazel]

My fams. I also got hell drider and gryphon but those needs too many troops to proc.

Which would you put

[hexed imp]

You can use pyris in the place of trickster

Atleast it doesn't require having to lose troops and works okayish for what you have at the moment

[tribal hazel]

There is no way I'm using pyris

[jolly sun]

just spend way too much money on yellow orbs and get this

[tribal hazel]

I need orbs

[jolly sun]

I have a great comp tho not counting t1 I'm running 20m troops

[tribal hazel]

Mine is more than double

[hexed imp]

@tribal hazel btw
You can also replace all range jewel with legendary range hp jewel. Then counters will hurt less

[tribal hazel]

It's not a practical solution

Be aware I'm no trap. I'm 1.7b people never rally me

[jolly sun]

10/10 comp 👀

[hexed imp]

Ooh I thought you're a trap lol

[tribal hazel]

It's better to keep range ATk fornmu mix

[jolly sun]

he's 5 slots that alone is like 200m research might

[tribal hazel]

No. But I will stil get the sb bc you never know when you will countered by a titan while you sleep

Especially with the account in my kd

[tribal hazel]

Fr

[tribal hazel]

You gotta rebuild after each hit lol

[jolly sun]

I don't get hit

I look big and scary

[tribal hazel]

Just like me

[hexed imp]

[tribal hazel]

I look big and scary too but I got the troops to back it up

So apart from shield what other fans would you recommend? Jade?

[jolly sun]

people no touchey me

[tribal hazel]

Be aware I'm also no lead

[tribal hazel]

Ok you will perform better with that comp than me with 50m regardless lol

[jolly sun]

yeah jade works or any 600% fam tbh

[tribal hazel]

I'd rather get Jade. But that one needs maxed

[jolly sun]

on my alt I'm planning snowbeast + jade + blackwing

[tribal hazel]

More flexible. And I'm no trap but I'm also no lead

I'm a filler

With maxed fams and shitty wall

[jolly sun]

this alt also a filler

but I was being bad about p5 fams so blackwing not elder there

[tribal hazel]

You don't need black wing if you're a filler do you

[jolly sun]

I have spare orbs tho

[tribal hazel]

Don't make me jealous

[jolly sun]

not enough to max it or anything yet

[potent badge]

Whose composition?

[tribal hazel]

Even as a p2p orbs are expensive as hell

[tribal hazel]

Theirs

[tribal hazel]

How many do you need to max? Like 400?

[jolly sun]

but you get some f2p orbs so need a fam to work on

[jolly sun]

1600 to max jade/blackwing

640 for shield

[tribal hazel]

I am keeping my wall

[potent badge]

Who is theirs?

[tribal hazel]

Kari's

[potent badge]

Got to be a person

[tribal hazel]

I believe

[jolly sun]

alt has these rn (91/200 bw)

[jolly sun]

it's my filler account

I'm rebuilding t4 there rn

[tribal hazel]

Btw is cav ark +15% better than trickstar?

[hexed imp]

My blackwing is at lvl3
I don't think I'll get it to lvl10 until next year or something

[jolly sun]

my orbs on alts sped up a lot since artifact hells became a thing

[tribal hazel]

Do Whirlwind and Hell drider have the same battle skill but with different activation % and duration?

[jolly sun]

yes pretty much

it does the same thing

[tribal hazel]

You use monthly pass for artifacts?

[jolly sun]

I don't I only buy kingdom labours for artis on the filler one

[tribal hazel]

Maybe I should too

[hexed imp]

Artifact hells are nice
Helped me to unlock the army talent and upgrade it to lvl3.

Do you recommend I switch tempestite with blackwing on my range blast

[tribal hazel]

It's only like 5$

[jolly sun]

my lead alt I do use monthly supply on tho and there I almost got enough for my last fam now 😄

[jolly sun]

how much % dmg is it at lvl3 ?

[hexed imp]

120%

[tribal hazel]

You spend crazy amounts on your lead lmao. You probably spend more there monthly than what my account is worth

[jolly sun]

I'd wait for like lvl5

[tribal hazel]

Which doesn't really make sense for me do as you may agree

[jolly sun]

well I have 2 lead accounts, one of them is an alt and there I just buy diamond passes

main depends month to month what I spend 🤷‍♂️

this month I'm at 20$ above diamond passes

alt lead is missing cav shield for which I'm getting yellow orbs from arti hells

[hexed imp]

Kari, you're a student right?
Or am I mistaken 😔

[jolly sun]

part time now but yes

I also work tho

[hexed imp]

Oh ok 👌

I asked my local gym if I can be a trainer there and they said I can't because I'm under 18 lol 😭

[jolly sun]

nice fake kills lol

[hexed imp]

He came in our kd
And left after 5 minutes lol

Alright
See ya 👋
Me go study
Exam tomorrow

[potent badge]

This image, what's the might ?

[jolly sun]

1.3b

[potent badge]

Can see your stats for research might and other might ?

[deft ember]

Fat

[jolly sun]

Normal filler core

Nothing special

[potent badge]

You focus on training. Research is slow

[potent badge]

Thank u

Maybe initially U used it as rally trap.

[fallow dagger]

What familiar should I invest everything in

[potent badge]

They are saying these 3 shields familiars are good for f2p

[potent badge]

👆👆☝️☝️

[jolly sun]

I'm just not doing research anymore it's useless might that account has 4k technolabes and 5 years+ of research speeds and 20k tomes it could go up a lot of research might if I wanted it

[tribal hazel]

Guys I need a tip

Which fam is better on blasts. +80hp when 10% fallen or +15% ATk all battle

[fringe fern]

Depends on scenario. You a rally trap or yolo soloing?

[hexed imp]

Id take 80% hp over 15% atk after 10% is fallen
Both in rally and defence

[tribal hazel]

Who uses blast familiars for rally trapping? It's for attacking

[tribal hazel]

You sure? You have the 15% all battle long. While the hp only for 10 secs after 10% have fallen

[fringe fern]

lol nothing I haven’t seen before

[hexed imp]

HP over attack anytime lol.
Battle is 40 second
So 10 seconds is 1/4th of battle
And 80% hp in that time is huge

[queen mist]

I agree, or you can save the orbs for the health and attack familliars which are much better

Like the mole, 60% for both for 15 seconds which is almost for half of the fight.

[hexed imp]

Pair it with 80% hp!
I did it on my range front trap lol
60% atk hp range
80% range hp

[tribal hazel]

Maybe in defense but I'm talking about blasts

[tribal hazel]

I already have that in my lineup for blast

[queen mist]

Then definitely the 80% health in my opinion

No question

[floral oxide]

both weak , dont waste orb on it

when you do blast , jade , + 100%atk per 10% fall , shield , ( pack5 / 60% atk hp / - 40%hp )

[tribal hazel]

I have already max

It's not about upgrading it's about which one to use. And I don't have p5 battle skills except Hell dride

[hexed imp]

I mean...p5s and gryphon also works for a certain time

[queen mist]

Question if anyone can help , what level is it that the pact 5 typically become viable over other familiars in their place?

[errant patio]

What are the best wall fams for rally trapping?

Aside from the p2p t5 fams

[hexed imp]

Shield familiar+ 60% atk hp @errant patio

[dawn flower]

Guyz i have a question if you can help it will be highly appreciate - i have 800 Brilliant orb so i want to know where to use it means like on pact 5 familear like blackwing or griffen of pact 3 familear?

[quartz geode]

Gryphon is good overall. It should be your first one

[dawn flower]

Reason?

[quartz geode]

Here is another dub for shield fam. Comes up in news as 80% loses are from attackers. Still didn’t have enough troops to cap

[quartz geode]

Because you can use it with inf , range, cav and mix

It’s not a good fam if you are a rally trap tho

[dawn flower]

But after 10 % and for 10 sec

But pact 5 familear approf 400+ and fully upgraded 600% at 4% on large group

[quartz geode]

Gryphon is 200% army attack for 10 seconds

At max

The pact 5 familiar do damage based on your stats

And they can only be used for the specific type of troops and mix