🏯-towers-relic-hunt

[marsh condor]

There’s a compensation?

[raw pasture]

there better be

the amount of tries I've lost to this stupid stage already

[severe jolt]

The Message said there was

[marsh condor]

I’ve lost 60 times to crashes in 196

[severe jolt]

But never stated what it was

[marsh condor]

Someone have a picture of the message?

[severe jolt]

But I’m going to a assume a tower pack and some souls

[bronze spade]

Better be 500 souls

[marsh condor]

I wanna see it again

[cyan nest]

how can i counter it? i dont have much any tower equipment and maxed every character till first 3 MK11 released characters (scorpion, jade, raiden) these 3 i have X or IX fusion

[neat sentinel]

Absolutely

Not .jpg, .mov, .mpg or even .avi! instead

[raw pasture]

110 rare day at least

[marsh condor]

Not again smh

[pearl kite]

W or L

[inner spindle]

looks like a W

[severe jolt]

W

[copper hazel]

The classic tower 196 episode keeps kicking me out of the game. No combinations I make work. Help me pass this episode!!!

[raw pasture]

Krashic Tower

[minor elbow]

You should kill them as fast as possible

Keep tremor last cause he will be resisting to deathmark so you will end him with brutality/friendship

[uneven cargo]

Как сделать чтобы

[visual osprey]

Normal 200 run 2

[inner spindle]

siuuuu gimme dat raiden fusion

[tribal beacon]

I need the fusiom

Fusion*

[visual osprey]

[tribal beacon]

[tacit cradle]

Here once again

[visual osprey]

Ooofff

Next time man

[next drum]

Normal 200 // Cant say this run was worth it

[visual osprey]

You’re blessed

I will take her

[next drum]

Please do

[visual osprey]

Take my raiden fusion give me Dvorah

[tacit cradle]

110

Give me the coins

[mighty ginkgo]

I need these boss battles for rare equipment to give me rockin token

[warped goblet]

Is kl rain good for bosses at f0?

[mighty ginkgo]

Depends on who you use with him

[warped goblet]

Best strat?

[mighty ginkgo]

You need to snare one of them (not scorpion) to take them out

1 by 1

Also having mk11 scorpion on your team will heal Liu Kang

So you gotta be careful with that

[warped goblet]

@mighty ginkgo i managed to deal 55% to raiden

[errant pier]

bruh, sandstrom is very dangerous
I use gunslinger EB, then use sp2 (90%) it doesn't unblock💀

[warped goblet]

In 1st try

[mighty ginkgo]

Nice

Keep working on him and keep him snared

[warped goblet]

Why does it heal him tho

Dot immunity

[mighty ginkgo]

Because of the fire

[tacit cradle]

Healing overrides the immunity

[mighty ginkgo]

Any character that can heal from dot will bypass the immunity

[warped goblet]

💀💀💀💀💀

[mighty ginkgo]

Like mk11 jade

[warped goblet]

Only in fatal?

[mighty ginkgo]

On any boss battle

[tacit cradle]

Everywhere

[mighty ginkgo]

Doesn't matter what tower it is

[tacit cradle]

Or what battle

[warped goblet]

Well im using emrac instead of scorp

[mighty ginkgo]

Good switch

[warped goblet]

Should i switch ij2 raiden

[onyx pewter]

@warped goblet ofc, you don't want to snare lk

random drop lel

[warped goblet]

With who tho?

[onyx pewter]

someone with fear

[warped goblet]

Mmmhm

[onyx pewter]

do u have any brutalities?

[warped goblet]

Term

[onyx pewter]

to kill scorpion

[warped goblet]

Only terms brut

[onyx pewter]

tag out lk and brutalize scorpion, and then kill lk however

[ivory cairn]

Is fatal 100 rigged? Scorpion using x-ray from nothing ; my unblockable never works and so many stupid things happening.. looked to gear and saw nothing for these stuff

[tacit cradle]

He has kano's epic

[ivory cairn]

Never saw or had it . Dont know it's benefit . Looked at klassic tower gear i need to correct it

[gusty kite]

Normal 200 second run reward and my first epic drop in this tower

[ivory cairn]

Gratz man

[meager coral]

59 nice

[tacit cradle]

At fx it starts giving power below 60%

[ivory cairn]

And we were telling the klassic tower gear is op

Lol

Have scorpion rare on normal 110 . But need this diamond . İmma sacrifice my klassic ermac to him then

[meager coral]

F1 lose nice

[ornate bronze]

Oh come on!

Still no call to arms

[tribal beacon]

Still better than what i get

All i got was the uncommon tower gear 😶

[ornate bronze]

Call to arms is the only equipment i miss

[tribal beacon]

Dang

[ornate bronze]

Holy mother of god, mk11 rain trying to use the counter while soaked, hurricaned and frostbitten takes over 10s of animation where you can't do anything

[tacit cradle]

Wait until you see any terminator trying to tag in under those debuffs

[iron owl]

dark fate be like: i be back

[ornate bronze]

80 gave me the pride bruh pls

[iron owl]

lucky i got nothing

[ornate bronze]

^

[tacit cradle]

Imagine at the end of the tower maxing the other 2 rares and not getting a cta

[ornate bronze]

I am rioting

Hopefully the 4.01 compensation includes a tower pack

[visual osprey]

[cyan nest]

can someone help me with team and equipment in DMs

[sharp gull]

kill scorp last, or last 10sec
Snare & Cripple are your best debuff

[tacit cradle]

i feel like the game will give a lot of epics but not a single cta

[visual osprey]

Take it man

Yesterday normal 190 btw

[cyan nest]

i tried to snare from cos lui kang with luck from talents with death mark but raiden all times used SP1 and cleanse self and then comes up scorpion and in better used x-ray and killed my fighter or used SP2 and kill my fighter and start healing self to full

[sharp gull]

Klk & fujin are good even at f0, but only if you have them

[cyan nest]

i dont have fujin

klk is klassic lui?

[sharp gull]

Ye

[cyan nest]

i have him maxed out, but dont have fujin

[sharp gull]

Max 🥶

[inner spindle]

at least you get something, I'm getting absolutely nothing

[ornate bronze]

Token was from 110

So yeah

[inner spindle]

I'm bout to hit 110 and I feel like it's another pride

[civic salmon]

@wet jewel @night bone

2nd run back2back nightwolf

[warped goblet]

....

[visual osprey]

Good reward

[civic salmon]

Yea but I’m prob not gonna use him

[visual osprey]

Well keep fusion him

[civic salmon]

No way I just realised I have the scorpion friendship set

Wait

Idk if I have it

Yea I have it

Wth let’s go

[meager coral]

[marble dragon]

Guys please tell a solution to fatal 195

Man the battle is crashing anyway anyway man

Do tremor last of first or kill erron or kabal man it's crashing inevitably

[tropic lily]

you mean 196 ?

i am stuck at battle 196 for 4 days already

[marble dragon]

Yeah sorry man

[marble dragon]

It's 196

[marble dragon]

I completed it the last time somehow but it wasn't crashing like how it's crashing now man there doesn't seem any solution

[tropic lily]

for me, every time i kill tremor last game crashes and i can't put deathmark on him bc he resist it every time

[marble dragon]

My game crashed on tremor 1 hp

[tropic lily]

once he ressurects it will crash

sorry man, i can't help you bc i haven't beated it yet but i will eventually....

[sharp gull]

Woohoo... 🤘

[earnest python]

N200

[civic salmon]

Will try

[sharp gull]

Same here.. 🤦

[cyan nest]

does this team help me finnaly beat the FKT 100 which is pain in the...

[inner spindle]

you're gonna need block breaker for cassie

revolvers should do

[sharp gull]

Eyo mags, have you passed 185

[inner spindle]

heck no

if only I had FX hanzo I would be able to pass it by now

[sharp gull]

Have you seen kl scorp 2 hit basic loop?

[inner spindle]

ye, but my kl scorp only F3

[sharp gull]

Aww

I'm trying that, but since I'm a button smashing player.. i failed 100% 😂

[cyan nest]

revolvers i have locked bcs survival faction wars

[sharp gull]

Try to sort your equipment

[inner spindle]

that doesn't stop you from using it

just use filters

[cyan nest]

doesnt let me move it

nvm, got it

@inner spindle is the mask on cass good or should i use other gear instead?

[inner spindle]

rather use something else than drahmins

[cyan nest]

like what?

[inner spindle]

well idk what you have

[iron owl]

yo guys any strategy for 185? im stuck there for 2 days now

[iron owl]

huh? how

[inner spindle]

stun loop

already have the formula but I don't have that damn FX hanzo sdghnufbshrtnj;lytd

[iron owl]

i have him ascended fusion 1 can u tell me strategy?

[inner spindle]

1. use ender for hanzo to push back raiden, this will cause raiden to waste his fatal blow
2. gain some power (2 bars at best)
3. As much as possible isolate them and deathmark them to prevent resurrection
4. Cripple via COCC if necessary

[iron owl]

so hanzo cocc and?

strike force scorpion

[inner spindle]

kl scorpion/inferno scorpion/sf scorpion

either those 3

[iron owl]

i have all of them fusion X

which one is best?

i found new strategy with sub zeros but it doesn't work as it should be

[inner spindle]

sf cuz of his stats

also you would need the right tree in order to pull those 3 into fruition

[calm turret]

Wakey, wakey, eggs, and Bakey guys 🤓🤓

[inner spindle]

oh i almost forgot it's time alreadyt

[barren plume]

😭

[shell harness]

Diamond hour for f100 coming very soon

[inner spindle]

N110 time, time for craftsman pride tower

[tribal beacon]

I’ll gladly take this over a sellback from 100 3rd round

[night bone]

disgusting 185, get outta my sight

@wet jewel i did it

no terminator

that took me like 20 tries but it shows that I can do it with my stuff wit no get outta fatal blow free card

[shell harness]

Nice! F100 3rd run

[night bone]

how nice

oh damn I am way behind, im throwing these attempts into the dumpster

[shell harness]

Considering he's rare, pretty nice

[night bone]

im on 186 2nd run

yeah uh 5th run nope for me

[shell harness]

I'll be ending at f102 3rd run and should be ending n145 3rd run

[inner spindle]

gg

once he is FX he's gonna tear this tower into shreds

[night bone]

i know someone is probably out there with fx bd kabal and fx brut set is having fun with f190

[inner spindle]

that dude be having so much fun

[night bone]

evasions? pffffff

regen? pffffff

[cyan nest]

FKT 100 finally beated, atleast reward was worth imo

[night bone]

congrats

[cyan nest]

thanks

im pretty sure im not gonna complete fatal 200 anyway, bcs thats unfair difficulty

[night bone]

im more worried about the battles right below it

you know how 185 is

[inner spindle]

N110

Only drop here🤡

[inner spindle]

W

[marble dragon]

When is the patch update coming anyone knows??

[cyan nest]

even tho, my best fatal tower try was one of older towers at 187, where i got stuck maybe sorcerer or earthrealm @night bone

[inner spindle]

no clue

[marble dragon]

Daym bro I'm just frustrated that now i don't find any solution man

You keep any guy last it just crashes when we're one hit away from victory

After mins and tries of struggle all you get is game crash and no reward and a try wasted

I could've got 2000 koins atleast 😂😂

[south palm]

F100 💔

[ornate bronze]

100

[unique remnant]

lol

[sharp gull]

Aww

[unreal sun]

2nd run 🙄🙄

[warped goblet]

I HATE IT when F100 crashes on me

FFS I WAS SO CLOSE

[iron owl]

what talent tree is good for battle 185

[thorn sand]

Rocking bowling stone is broken ngl

[cyan nest]

defeat scorpion last, so use talents with death mark and kill raiden and lui first

[warped goblet]

Why scorp last tho

[cyan nest]

or use noob saibot if you have

[warped goblet]

Hes on 2%

[cyan nest]

bcs someone told me scorpion is reason why its crashing

[warped goblet]

So deathmark?

What if i kill him now and make my team die

[cyan nest]

dont know whats true on it, it didnt crash me, just frustrated me when raiden escape with death mark on 1% hp

[iron owl]

yo guys

how to defeat battle 185 fatal

[warped goblet]

Watch a yt vid?

Ask the mods

[hard tree]

token….

[carmine ferry]

thought you prefer that pride instead of the other 2 rares

[calm turret]

Fatal 200 🙃😆

[hard tree]

....................

[warped goblet]

I killed him 2nd

[warped goblet]

Well i used my brain and killed him be4 liu

[reef raven]

I killed scorpion last still game CRASH

[warped goblet]

Ffffff

[reef raven]

What to do and yes killed him with brut

Still CRASH

[calm turret]

Gotta kill scorpion last, or kill him with 10 seconds left on clock

So u lose before the crash

[reef raven]

Killed him last

He is the last one left

[sharp gull]

Well it's mkm, you never know what's gonna happen next 🥶

[calm turret]

Hmm well my friend never had that happen to me so not sure what to tell you

[reef raven]

And a sell back

To hell with this game

Only have 15 maxed diamonds

Still getting sellbacks

F100

[warped goblet]

I DID IT

F100

[cyan nest]

congrats

[warped goblet]

W

Kl rain and erron

[hard tree]

cmon…..

[modern cedar]

It better be worth it when I complete it 😪

[rocky sail]

fujin gon enter yo kollection soon

[visual osprey]

Good luck bro

[modern cedar]

Death Mark forgetting to Death Mark 😒 it’s okay, I’ll try again later.

[marble sail]

@warped goblet

[rocky sail]

u got no brut sets?

[night bone]

@tacit cradle this is your fault

this is my life now

189, gone just like that

[modern cedar]

Unfortunately no 😪

[tacit cradle]

[rocky sail]

dam

depending on death mark can be bs sometimes

[night bone]

full responsibility

at least I dont have any evil gear

yet

[modern cedar]

honestly. It was working fine for Movie Raiden but refuses to go on FG Liu Kang.

[rocky sail]

yeah thats what happens sometimes

[ornate bronze]

I'll trade a token for this

[hard tree]

Please

[tacit cradle]

Guilty as charged

[night bone]

and of course, 0 artic wind activations

also that raiden had f1 pipe, I could have made him stronger if I had just used another fx uncommon

[raw pasture]

okay this is ridiculous

I’ve gotten nightwolf from f200/konq pack all 3 times

I like nightwolf but I kinda need tremor and rain

and I still don’t have RNF

[night bone]

same

need me da figure

[raw pasture]

konq pack was better

[cyan hatch]

Maxed it
Fatal 67 3rd run

[steady kernel]

just got movie set star, its the worst epic gear from kl tower right

[raw pasture]

imo not really

[civic salmon]

@night bone have u seen my n200 reward?

[raw pasture]

oh I saw what you mean

yeah comparatively it’s the worst gear

[night bone]

yeah

[tacit cradle]

From the tower yes

[steady kernel]

it just made me hate goro more

[raw pasture]

it’s probably

1. Stones
2. Figure
3. Defense
4. Star

[tacit cradle]

But it's still a good piece

[civic salmon]

Alr

[night bone]

well im glad that the “worst” epic is still a weapon

[tacit cradle]

Unlike unmaxed ww

[steady kernel]

just got it from normal tower impressed as hell

[civic salmon]

And today I realized I got the full friendship for scorp, can’t believe it

[tacit cradle]

Yup

[steady kernel]

most of my rare n uncommon pieces came from normal tower but i only refresh fatal tower

[tacit cradle]

But all epics from this tower are good

[steady kernel]

fatal tower has been so cruel to me

[raw pasture]

at long last

[raw pasture]

yo fenix

on F200

mr lambert seemed to blind my team even when I tagged in

is that FX MSS or something else

[tacit cradle]

Mileena's epic

[raw pasture]

ahh figured

what does that do

[tacit cradle]

100% chance to apply blind on opponent's tag in
Gain speed for 15 seconds after applying blind
Mileena: chance to gain 0.5 bars of power whenever a debuff is applied to her
Fx: steal 10% (5% for bosses) of the opponent's max hp

[raw pasture]

well that’s annoying

[tacit cradle]

Yay, the sneaky boys

[raw pasture]

just need fusions now 💀💀💀

[tribal beacon]

N200, i’ll gladly take it

[tacit cradle]

And klk still avoids me since 2018

[mighty ginkgo]

Deep

[wet jewel]

ggs, u surpassed fenix

[tacit cradle]

I wpuldn't be surprised if i don't get a single klk from normal kt

[turbid lintel]

I know, wrong channel, but you can't post pics in challenges... is my opponent just over powered at this point? It's feeling pretty impossible.

[mighty ginkgo]

Yes

But you might have a shot if you fight with Klassic kano

[turbid lintel]

I try, they just kill him. I need more f's of him.

It kinda sucks how much you gotta pay to earn something or lose lol

Thanks Hybrid

[modern cedar]

Great job (I’m definitely not sobbing right now of jealousy 😪)

[tribal beacon]

Sorry bud, I’m sure you’ll get him within the year

[tribal beacon]

Win…i guess? 😂

[night bone]

yes

you have surpassed a player in klk fusions who has been playing since about may 2015

[tacit cradle]

I like the extra effects when you finish in lava form

[fallen compass]

I passed but I have Kano Classic 5 fusion

[visual osprey]

Finally an epic drop

[neat sentinel]

I don't understand why my uploaded video isn't inline like the others on here.

[tacit cradle]

I wonder if mss can trigger on missed specials

[night bone]

answer is yes btw

which is why they pair mss with pride like all the time

you randomly miss a special with enough hits, the goro comes in

it’s just on any missed attacks

[unreal pelican]

Danm this actually looks hard.

[tacit cradle]

I wonder if the stomp stops the special or if it's like Erron's case

[night bone]

not sure

[tacit cradle]

Time to test

[night bone]

i havent tested with long animation specials but it is assumed that goro comes in after the special is finished

[tacit cradle]

That's why i have blind and jade's armor

[night bone]

your “video” is just a file folder aptly named mp4

[visual osprey]

Love this brutality

[tacit cradle]

Ok, gown and kitana's mask is too op

Time to amp it up even more with torturer

[neat sentinel]

FKT 196 If you look closely you may notice that I was desperately trying to tag-out. Why wasn't I able to? That thing happens a lot. Looking closely, you might also notice that I activated my special well in advance but priority was given to the AI.

[sage sonnet]

I thought that is a feature

It has always been randomly happening for years

[wet jewel]

ah, good ol ghost snare, costing me games

many triggers to it

better get fixed

[sage sonnet]

I don’t think they gonna do anything about it

It has always been here

[neat sentinel]

It's been around a long time. I've complained about it in #🔧update-n_0-feedback a long time ago.

[night bone]

1. that particular tag disable I found out how it got caused

2. you couldnt do specials because inj2 raiden combo ender in the corner is very unsafe

kabal did basic attacks right after you did it so he had priority

some moves are just unsafe in the corner or on ko

Mk11 scorpion sp2 is unsafe on ko, and even when I try to use sp1 after it, the opponent will always have priority provided they have the standard duration of a tag animation

[neat sentinel]

I tapped the button for a special. Probably SP2, well in advance. You can see when and where I tapped. No excuses.

[sharp gull]

That's a close call, if I'm in that fight I've already press the wrong button 🥶

[night bone]

you are still in recovery

it’s not an excuse, it’s basic gameplay function

[neat sentinel]

Lol

[night bone]

trying pressing sp1 after mk11 scorpion sp2 ko and see where that gets you.

Nrs pulls a lot of bs but at least that one is intended or at least designed that way

[sage sonnet]

That’s acceptable

[night bone]

the tag disable is the bug

[sage sonnet]

And there’s me getting clapped by Johnny with enrage basics+SP1 infinite chain after using auto

[neat sentinel]

I'm just standing there waiting for my opponent to recover while I'm minding the activated button.

[night bone]

yeah that happens

yes that’s intentional, that’s the way the combo ender is designed

that’s not a bug but it is unfortunate

[night bone]

some characters will block instead of trying to attack like kabal did

[cursive cliff]

This usually happens to me when one of my characters is snared then is tagged out by force or saved by SFS

[night bone]

in that case then the special will come out

[night bone]

that one is because of a bug

[neat sentinel]

I was alone.

[night bone]

check here

[sage sonnet]

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature

[night bone]

it’s a movie set star bug

if the user tags out before animatronic reels back fully

[cursive cliff]

Beside what I said, it hasn't happened to me in any other cases

[night bone]

then both tags will get disabled, lots of people got hit by it

[cursive cliff]

Interesting

Maybe I haven't paid attention

[sage sonnet]

Pretty sure there are myriad ways of that tag lock happening

[night bone]

yeah but this one is one of the most common

[sage sonnet]

It’s a game feature at this point

Let’s just ignore it

[neat sentinel]

No ifs ands or buts about it, it's rigged. I've played this game far too long to be confused about its functioning.

[night bone]

it’s not rigged, it’s frame data

you’re the one making excuses

[neat sentinel]

Wrong

[night bone]

that’s literally how the attack is designed

not every character is super safe in the corner or on ko

[cursive cliff]

Fatal 50
Finally got a random epic after months

[night bone]

The simple matter of the fact is, you used an attack that is unsafe in the corner and got punished for it

[neat sentinel]

I'll just disagree here and be done with it.

[night bone]

everyone else can easily tell it’s intentional

you haven’t even made a proper point

[tropic lily]

lmaoo, this update is full of bugs🤯

[sage sonnet]

It’s just a fun part about combos

Tbh they are adding too many complex stuffs they couldn’t handle

[neat sentinel]

It definitely is intentional. I agree about that. And so too are many of the "bugs".

[sage sonnet]

And we get loads of bugs

[night bone]

we both do agree that this update has not at all been tested

too many bugs to be counted, some minor, some gamebreaking

[neat sentinel]

No. It most definitely has.

[night bone]

not tested enough apparently

[sage sonnet]

I mean they probably turn on Autoplay vs bots to test

What do you expect

[neat sentinel]

Are you trying your best to become a moderator for this game on Discord. It surely seems like it to me. Good luck though.

[cursive cliff]

NRS still hasn't fixed Raiden's Brutality from more than 4 or 5 updates ago
Some will still remain

[neat sentinel]

Nor Ravenous Mileena's tag-in. Please don't lecture me about frame rates and such nonsense.

Whether the foe is standing or not, etc.

[tacit cradle]

what is the problem with raiden?

[night bone]

you mean I cant try to help solve issues as just a regular?

i have to be a mod to help people out?

[neat sentinel]

None else of us are so ardent about qualifying obvious mistakes in fair programming of video games.

I mean making excuses.

Video games have a considerably long history of being malicious to some or another degree. Much like nearly everything else sold at retail.

[night bone]

it seems to me that nrs has stolen the ai formula from midway

[neat sentinel]

It was absorbed probably. Now you're making sense to me. I've been in love with video games for more than 50 years.

Bally/Midway particularly the Midway part were definitely what you could call a holes.

[cursive cliff]

When you kill the first and/or the second opponent with his Brutality, then kill the last opponent (whether with a Brutality or normally) the first or the second opponent tags in with 0% health and game goes into soft lock

[night bone]

oh crap that’s still around?

[cursive cliff]

Yup

[neat sentinel]

Dwow. Now that sounds like pure science to me, coming from a disciplined and unbiased keen observer.

[cursive cliff]

😅

Some may not remember this or not even know about it, but there were two huge bugs back then when NT and KWT were released for the first time which benefited the players which were removed immediately or at least the next update

[neat sentinel]

Mhm. And some that theoretically benefited NRS, but they remain. As is life we must face it fearlessly.

[cursive cliff]

Yep

[neat sentinel]

Agreed

[tacit cradle]

do you need brutal ending to trigger the bug? or the special combo ender works too?

[cursive cliff]

Brutal End

[tacit cradle]

phew, thanks

[tropic lily]

First random rare drop in 4 days of being stuck at 196

[pearl kite]

Anyone know how to beat f164 w out any elder gods?

[visual osprey]

DoT team

[wet jewel]

just power thru with scorp

[warped goblet]

Bro i havent even dropped a rare yet

[lyric grove]

N110 1 try

[pearl kite]

Takes too long

Also kitanas regen makes it annoying

[elder jacinth]

This has happened more than 35 times... Every time crash... I let tremor last but still crashes... No wish to play this game anymore

[ornate bronze]

Don't let him resurrect, use deathmark

[raw pasture]

Im on F3 nightwolf

[warped goblet]

Grrrrrr

[night bone]

another week another rare day

anyone wanna guess what ill get

[mighty ginkgo]

Pride

[night bone]

this is a federal crime

[warped goblet]

Give Pride i have 0 :(

[mighty ginkgo]

Pride and arms seems to drop the most

[night bone]

i am NOT supposed to be having an f8 rare on day 16 or so

but here we are

[mighty ginkgo]

Token is more rare as a rare lol

[night bone]

oh wait it’s day 18

[mighty ginkgo]

Saving grace: you'll have a max rare to evade specials

[night bone]

also some team health I guess

[mighty ginkgo]

Yea

[night bone]

bb reduction is pretty good as well

[ornate bronze]

Me without arms:

[warped goblet]

Irl

[mighty ginkgo]

It's crazy how rng treats us

I wanna open another rare pack but 2/3 of them is maxed

That's my limit with pack openings

But I want a couple more fusions on token

[velvet monolith]

And i don't even have 1 Arms :3

[raw pasture]

you’re gonna have pride sellbacks before token (real)

[night bone]

all I got is this silly f1 token

[raw pasture]

what about RNCA

[night bone]

f0

[raw pasture]

lmao

[warped goblet]

We gonna get another tower soon?

[raw pasture]

f5 RNCA, F3 token, F4 pride I think

[warped goblet]

Horror

[raw pasture]

nightmare tower inshallah I would like

Noob and Raiden brutality

[night bone]

ima broke ass boi

[warped goblet]

Whats the difference of TOH and Nightmare

[night bone]

dont mind the f8 pride🥶

[night bone]

one of them has brutality sets the other doesnt

[raw pasture]

Pride got your other rares in the Yamcha death pose

also horror hasn’t been updated in like 4 morbillion years

[warped goblet]

Nightmare got brut set?

[raw pasture]

someone said the last time TOH came back the 200 reward was just BD kabal

[warped goblet]

Bruh

[raw pasture]

so hopefully it’s just nightmare tower

given that we get nightmare tower ofc

but what with all the Halloween shenanigans it might happen

[night bone]

oh yeah lol

like legitimately a single character for a tower

[raw pasture]

“skill issue” -NRS

not that I would complain since I could farm BD kabal fusions

but ppl who have him max would be pissed

imagine if there was a tower called Choice tower and you just picked a prior tower you wanted to farm

[knotty wren]

F185 took 4 pips this time. That felt good!

[night bone]

if you could pick only one, then it would be incredibly hard

[raw pasture]

wdym by that

[night bone]

you could be missing out on busted tower rare #27 or busted tower epic #20

[raw pasture]

that’s true

[night bone]

for me, i know im going with lkt if it was possible

ice bomb, illegal fx uncommon which is also part of an awesome brutality

[wet jewel]

whale

[night bone]

need cool epics plz

[manic yacht]

Little bit too overpowered

[raw pasture]

I’d go EWT or SRT

can’t make up my mind for sure because while erron is my preferred favorite child, scorpion is my workhorse

[tacit cradle]

i want edt

[mighty ginkgo]

Tower of horror may never come back unless they update it

[pearl kite]

U telling me it took u 4 tries to do f185 with this team?

I’m so screwed for f185

[mighty ginkgo]

It was the 1st tower so there was a learning curve before they standardized how they wanted towers to be

[raw pasture]

that would be cool but I don’t have a Rain

[mighty ginkgo]

I'm happy with any tower coming back

I wanna fuse my epics

But I think I want nightmare the most since I need Raiden's epic

Does the diamond pool get updated on comeback towers for fatal 100?

I can't remember

[tacit cradle]

yes

[lyric grove]

Is there a chance that nightmare or toh returns in halloween?

[tacit cradle]

not likely

although normal sorcerer's came back last update

nightmare doesn't have a normal version and toh doesn't have a fatal version

[lyric grove]

I wanted Noob's brutal

And Raiden too

Nightmare was harder than fatal sorcerer?

[tacit cradle]

tbh i really want toh back

3/4 missing epics are from toh

[tacit cradle]

not as hard now if you have the pipe

[lyric grove]

The bat is from TOH or Nightmare?

[tacit cradle]

nightmare

if you don't have the pipe then don't use mk11 scorp on the team at all

[lyric grove]

I do have the pipe, f4

[tacit cradle]

good

you can steal those shields

[lyric grove]

Oh they used to have shield

[tacit cradle]

but i'll still play safe and don't use lethal characters

yup, killer jacket

[lyric grove]

Tbh I am waiting for the fix of this tower, I'm stuck in f196 first run yet

[tacit cradle]

i'm at 125 3rd run

[lyric grove]

I hope it comes this Wednesday/Thursday

[mighty ginkgo]

I need to check and see what my horror equipments look like

I might want that back too lol

[lyric grove]

I have zero from TOH, but some for nightmare

When I came back to the game last year in the EDenian update I didn't know what was those equipment xd and didn't play the tower

I started to play towers with Dark Queen

[tiny cliff]

120 scorpion is the problem to kill first?

[knotty wren]

Yes. F185 is definitely one of the hardest levels of all towers.

[mighty ginkgo]

Ok I'm missing horror equipment

And my nightmare

[tacit cradle]

3 epics from toh and 1 from bdt

idk if i should buy 1 more rare pack from nt

if it ever comes back

[mighty ginkgo]

If it comes back I might have to buy at least 2

Mainly because of fang

Actually I might have to take the hit and buy 3

[tacit cradle]

however i will invest in some stormweavers

[mighty ginkgo]

I gotta buy a couple epic packs too

But because of my fusions I won't try to max them

[tacit cradle]

i forgot how ugly noob's rare looks while below fx

[mighty ginkgo]

I'll shoot for f5

Good news for me is I'll definitely max it whenever nightmare comes back

Back then I was getting by with dotd team

[tacit cradle]

dotd was 60 or 80 in nt?

[mighty ginkgo]

Now that they've been permanently "nerfed" I gotta use mk11 jade

I think 60

Sounds right

I might have to look up some old YouTube videos later to refresh my memory on both towers just in case

[tiny cliff]

What a poor gears 😆

When the NT coming again?

[tribal beacon]

Advice for F184?

[mighty ginkgo]

Power drain character and block breaker equipment

[tribal beacon]

👍🏻

[mighty ginkgo]

Beyond that it's hard to say without knowing how strong your team or equipment is

[tribal beacon]

Craftsmans pride keeps screwing me over, and eb’s last shot and angel of death smh

I tried w sfjc, and never got a single power drain in cause of craftsmans pride

[mighty ginkgo]

That damn pride

[tacit cradle]

unknown

[lyric grove]

Reptile with krypt spider fang? Then what do you give as BB? (I am assuming you use brutality set)

[tacit cradle]

nothing

[lyric grove]

Oh, I usually gives KL reptile the vial of blood

[calm turret]

Hey chat how is everyone doin

[wet jewel]

suppp

[misty epoch]

I can't sleep it's 5am lol

And I have to get going at 6am for university it's a 50 min drive from my place

I cant go at 7am because at that time local bus stops are too crowded lmao

[wet jewel]

rough morning

[raw pasture]

that’s cool but I think my nightmare/TOH gear is better

[fast mist]

same bro

all towers b4 elder wind for me

[raw pasture]

fr

sucks missing out on every tower before twisted excepting sorcerer

[night bone]

dqt and ewt were pretty good towers as well gearwise

[wet jewel]

ha-

[raw pasture]

who were brutalities for DQT

[wet jewel]

jax and mileena

[raw pasture]

Ik erron/nightwolf were for EWT

[night bone]

jax brut too gud

[raw pasture]

oh that’s cool

Jax brut is just soldier from TF2

[night bone]

airshot

[calm turret]

Chillin like a villain bro 😎

[raw pasture]

this chat will become active in t minus 1 minute

I lied

[wet jewel]

yes

[raw pasture]

will lemon get an epic today poll

I vote no

[fast mist]

no

[ebon sleet]

What are they talking about?

[cyan hatch]

84 fatal 3rd run

[raw pasture]

140 loss bc I wasn’t paying attention

[cyan hatch]

My first random epic
Fatal 88 3rd run

[fast mist]

dam lucky

[wet jewel]

no

watch me go another tower without a single random epic or brutality

[raw pasture]

that'll be hilarious

[modern cedar]

I finally beat N200… after all those tries…

And my award… god. Blessed.

[unreal pelican]

Now, get 9 more 🙃

[wet jewel]

10*

[unreal pelican]

Danm now thats tuff

[modern cedar]

let’s not focus on that.

[wet jewel]

lucky for u klk is good support at low fusion

[modern cedar]

I’m 2:0 when it comes to tower completion rewards. Last tower completion one was MK11 Rain.

[wet jewel]

even better, so is rain

[modern cedar]

“You finally completed N200 of Klassic Tower… mind dropping $20 to ease all that suffering?” 💀💀

[night bone]

ronin takeda for $20 lessgoooooooooo

[unreal pelican]

Buying that is displaying weakness

[hard tree]

F100

[raw pasture]

only buy f200 konqueror pack

[velvet monolith]

Hey btw, just wondering, can you get the new golds from the Normal tower?

[raw pasture]

gimmie

[velvet monolith]

Or is it just the Fatal one you can get the New golds from

[raw pasture]

should be both

[velvet monolith]

I don't think so

[raw pasture]

then why would you ask

if you were just going to disagree anyway

[velvet monolith]

Cause in the Normal towers it specifies Non-challenge gold karfs and challenge gold kards

Fatal just says, one random Gold character Karf

[flat kraken]

Does anyone know how to beat this battle I’ve been stuck on it for like 4 days

[velvet monolith]

Debuff resistance and snare (WPA works)

[flat kraken]

Thank you : )

Wait what’s wpa??

[raw pasture]

Fatal 7

[velvet monolith]

Weak Point Attacks

[raw pasture]

weak point attacks

[flat kraken]

Ohh okay thanks : )

[velvet monolith]

Fatal 100

[fast mist]

wonder what imma get n200 3rd time

hopefully its sum good like my 2nd run, fujin
my 1st was decent, mk11 raiden

i just need kl rain to complete the trio

[tribal beacon]

Im really struggling w F184

[shell harness]

I'd like something good for my 3rd run, gotten 2 sellbacks for normal so far

[fast mist]

L

[shell harness]

"Skill issue💀 "

[fast mist]

the only sb i can get is mk11 scar rn so lets pray i dont get her

[shell harness]

And one was klk who was maxed a week before the sellback came

[fast mist]

rip

[shell harness]

I'm at the point where I should expect sellbacks to be more consistent unfortunately

[rocky sail]

skill issue

[carmine ferry]

finally got the token again after hundreds of fullmoon

[unique remnant]

I hate this battle

[wet jewel]

use mk11 sub with snake fang

[night bone]

this is criminally insane

[wet jewel]

🐳🥶

[night bone]

maxed banger from only tower drops

[fast mist]

how

[wet jewel]

lucc

[fast mist]

th

[shell harness]

🤯

And mine's only f0

[fast mist]

same

[wet jewel]

f3 over here

[fast mist]

i got my first a day or 2 ago

[shell harness]

Maybe it'll be added to the equipment packs with 4.0.1

[unique remnant]

I'm using him with Bloodly Vial and Champion's Nunchaku for block breaker and Fire/Bleed

[wet jewel]

it shoulda been in already

[unique remnant]

@wet jewel

[wet jewel]

u gonna need sub0 and snake fang

[unique remnant]

I'll try with Sub

thx

[wet jewel]

gl

[raw kelp]

Managed to beat 196 Fatal twice, froze on the killer hit and crashed with no victory or reward. Froze 5 times on losses too

[unique remnant]

Srry but I need do this...

[unique remnant]

@warped goblet

[wet jewel]

GOOD!

let’s go poke! Hit that day 100!

[night bone]

he’s gonna become a serial killer and start hunting us irl if there’s too many nw drops

[wet jewel]

too far from him

[onyx hatch]

N200 🤦‍♂️

[night bone]

I found the funny

[shell harness]

This is where the fun begins

[fast mist]

Gl

[night bone]

first try was a bust, but I got it 2nd try

[velvet monolith]

Brutalised all 3?

Erron, Kabal and Tremor in that order i presume?

[night bone]

Yes

I think that’s the true method

[velvet monolith]

Yeah

Hopefully this is fixed before I get there in my 3rd run

[shell harness]

Me who killed tremor first then erron and kabal with dm on everyone💀

f196 is the definition of test your luck

[night bone]

so

im not gonna beat it in 3 tries, that’s obvious

but i am so excited to see what I can pull off, and what ill get from this battle in the morning

ok I just got incredibly unlucky with lucky hat

did 2 full combos on fujin, barely any power drain

and those did not snare so he got out and I died early

alright fine im just gonna use mr infinite snare raiden

[calm turret]

Mr infinite snare being this guy?

[night bone]

maybe if it was maxed

[calm turret]

Ohh 😁

[night bone]

but nah im using this, pretty simple stuff

once it’s kl mov raiden’s turn im switching to kl raiden and smoke instead

[calm turret]

Injustice 2 raiden I don’t have him heard he’s pretty good tho

Good sounds like a good strat

[night bone]

i will see this johnny later

but for now, Im at peace, I got through 185, and 196 thankfully pretty forgivingly

[calm turret]

Yea same my last run haha

[night bone]

and maxed my final legacy rare piece, so now I have a full kollection of them

[calm turret]

That’s what’s up I maxed token so definitely making things easier

[night bone]

oh I want maxed token but the game is giving me a lotta pride

[fast mist]

ouldnt ur kl raiden make it faster bc higher fusion?

[night bone]

f8, crazy

[fast mist]

or are u just messing around with the boss?

[quiet briar]

Suggestions for Fatal Klassic Tower 145?
It has taken my soul

[night bone]

it wouldn’t be safer

[fast mist]

why not

[night bone]

remember, im trying to pick them off

if any of them tag out then do yolo sp2 then everyone heals

[fast mist]

oh yea

[night bone]

also fglk

if he touches me once, he heals to full which would basically also heal johnny to full

[fast mist]

yea

[night bone]

so imma play it safe, I switch to kl raiden + smoke once i get to raiden

cuz I aint dealin wit that sultry gown nonsense

[fast mist]

lol fs

[night bone]

this tower im in so much pain but as the runs continue, I get better and better at doing it

except for maybe 185, I still wasted WAAAAY too many attempts on it

-20

I could have beaten f200 by now if I even saved HALF of those attempts wasted

[fast mist]

yea

[frigid breach]

So when would WB fix the fatal scorp bug.... it's so annoying

Wasted almost a days try on resets

<@&667853885146267649> can you please look into the fatal tower bug for us?

[hard tree]

We don’t work on the game

[frigid breach]

Well can you inform the devs on it?

[hard tree]

Pinned links in #🎟-submit-a-ticket does that

[frigid breach]

Thanks

[fast mist]

bro im 999% sure the devs know about the tower bugs

[lyric grove]

This is so frustrating, I can't pass 196

[frigid breach]

Welll I'm expecting a diamond or at least 2k souls as compensation

[sage rover]

@ Nick Andrew I don't know if this helps anyhow, otherwise look it up on YouTube you can find some useful tactics

And good luck I know it's frustrating

[marsh condor]

@wet jewel

Who’s good with this gear

[cyan nest]

is it possible get tower gear in other floors then just bosses

[marsh condor]

Yes

You can get any of the gears

I’ve gotten a epic from normal floor

[cyan nest]

only epic tower epic geat is f0 brutality gear on jade from edenian tower

[marsh condor]

elder tower gear is op

[cyan nest]

i didnt play much when towers was released, i was taking some break from phone games

[primal idol]

Guys how to pass 120?

I don't have any epic tower gear

[cyan nest]

my only tower equipments @marsh condor

[marsh condor]

That’s a lot of uncommons lol

[cyan nest]

im lucky for low "trash" tower gear

[finite lotus]

I dont even think I'll come close to beating the normal Tower

My best card is a F4 Hanzo Scorp 😭

[cyan nest]

im pretty sure im not gonna beat fatal, low tower equip and im lack of the new p2w fighers, but i think i complete normal one few times

[finite lotus]

P2W fighters suck

NRS always appeals to money instead of making strong fighters available to people without money or dont want to spend money

[cyan nest]

well people without many dont make then money if they didnt watch these few ads for 50 souls total, and even tho i thinks its not much money at all

[finite lotus]

Yeah

[gloomy elm]

FKT 100

[cyan nest]

and also dont forget new p2w fighers will come in pack for 20€ for 20% chance

[finite lotus]

Where did that come fro tom?

[marsh condor]

Wdym, the new diamonds aren’t even that good for tower

[cyan nest]

congrats

[gloomy elm]

Thanks

[marsh condor]

I use strike force Johnny and solo everything in my path

[finite lotus]

I have Strike force Johnny

And sf Scorpion

Both F1

[marsh condor]

Strike force Johnny and injustice 2 raiden for infinite snare and hellspawn scorp for friendship

As long as the game doesn’t activate craftsman 10 times in a row I’m fine

[cyan nest]

i was in situation it was 6 times in row, so

[marsh condor]

One time it activated the whole round

I prob used like 20 specials

💀

[cyan nest]

im not fan of this gear that gives u evasion, its just destroying game, im fine with the rest of gear, but evasion one os bullsh..

@marsh condor this is my tower team rn

[marsh condor]

Do you have Kombat cup team max?

[cyan nest]

f10 johnny and sonya.. didnt get a single cass

[marsh condor]

Use those two and then covert Cassie

I’m sure you can beat both towers with that team

As long as you get slightly lucky on drops

Because of the passives of Kombat cup it might be better than the team your using rn

[cyan nest]

ahaha, you have no idea with who you talking, im the most unlucky guy that ever exist in this game

this team helped me someone for f100

[marsh condor]

Well idk I crashed 61 times on 196

[cyan nest]

i was struggle with that one

[marsh condor]

[marsh condor]

Wait till you get to 185

[cyan nest]

not gonna get there dont worry xD

[marsh condor]

You have full fx how

It’s not even that hard if you just equip the tower gears that drop

I don’t even wanna use movie star

[cyan nest]

my peak was 186 fatal ethrealm i think, then i ragequit the even try for the tower

[marsh condor]

Really

I’ve beat every tower I came across

[cyan nest]

and you saw my equip, i have only 5 klassic gear

[marsh condor]

You need unblockable on that Scorpion

[cyan nest]

thast why cass is there

[mild coral]

Been stuck on battle 105 on normal. It's so hard bruh 🗿

[gloomy elm]

What was 105

[visual osprey]

Random

[mild coral]

Enraged ...

[gloomy elm]

I used kcjc sp1 with weak point attacks

[iron owl]

Im giving up on battle 185 its hell i dont even have tower equipments

50% resistance and frostbite is still getting applied every damn time

[mystic portal]

If you have diamond Cassie Cage you can make her 100% resistance without tower equip.

[iron owl]

Ok what about two other characters

[mystic portal]

Pray on random. As usual

[knotty wren]

F185 didn't bug me this round.
But 196 is irritating beyond words. It's the crashing...
5 out of 6 times.

Crash instead of victory

[knotty wren]

I guess a little love stops the crashing.

[visual osprey]

Nice

[inner spindle]

Random drops

[ornate bronze]

Gimme that call to arms

[inner spindle]

no, urs is better than mine

i haven't got a call to arms drop in eons

[ornate bronze]

I don't have it at all

[inner spindle]

me either

[ornate bronze]

[inner spindle]

literally im missing all the epics

[ornate bronze]

I'll give you a copy of the figure lmao

[inner spindle]

HECK YEAH, give it to me

[onyx hatch]

you can have my 🤓 defense

[teal dome]

Pls help me this fight is crazy

@tawdry cedar these terminators are quite tanky. Maybe i should ignore fatal i haven't refreshing it after 100

[tawdry cedar]

Just have Death mark on Talen Tree...at some point it will be applied on DF Terminator...even if you lose some entries....you can do it! You have the team!
Yeah, don't refresh on Fatal -> there are some crazy hard battles after 180...truth is I don't know if you can do it...only if you buy Equipment Packs and you'll have high fused Rares and Epics...but I know you don't spend and I don't recommend starting now...

[tawdry cedar]

🥂
What about Fatal? Where are you? 👀

[visual osprey]

Just landed 160

[silk parcel]

Fatal 100

[visual osprey]

[tawdry cedar]

so, 2-3 days...huh?
Good luck!🍀

[visual osprey]

More 5-7

I’m noob sir

[sage sonnet]

Playing normal battle and game crash

I hate this patch with passion

[visual osprey]

To reach fatal 196 again facing crash oofff

[tawdry cedar]

Naah! I don't buy it!

[sage sonnet]

Spaghetti codes

[night bone]

another random token, nice

has the game finally moved on from giving me pride?

[inner spindle]

it will comeback eventually

[night bone]

i would rather it not

or at least 2 more fusions

[lyric grove]

I'd rather to pass 196 but 🤷‍♂️

[night bone]

well im already over that

surprisingly simple

[inner spindle]

i just noticed another thing

when you disable combo enders with mk11 raiden. there's a logo that says ur combo enders are disabled

[night bone]

yeah I reported that

or rather gave feedback on it

it’s the cripple icon which fries my brain whenever I see the opponent use specials while combo ender disabled

[barren plume]

😏

[errant pier]

N190

[barren plume]

[marble sail]

@warped goblet

[warped goblet]

Stfu

[teal dome]

Ur right. My fx gold team output can take down only 2/3 opponents. Gears are lacking and i got scammed some fraudster stole 40$ from my bank so I'm not very keen on investing I've paid enough already as a headstart to my acc I'll prolly just keep playing n losing normally to try n get more gear up ty

[random grove]

Just a genuine question, is the current fatal tower possible to beat without buying equipment/getting purple or multiple blue from random drops?

The game became pointless to play, at least to me, the power creep is so nonsense

[shell harness]

It just depends on your kollection. It can be beat without epics or several rares if the kollection is strong enough

I will so tho the only thing that can stop that are some of the crashes that frequently occur, but otherwise this isn't too bad for fatal

[night bone]

I can beat the fatal tower with fx golds and fx uncommons

and even the hardest battles I used 0 epics or rares

my uncommons are still better than my rares in terms of damage boost so some rares I have to ignore

I have one epic weapon but I still haven’t used it for any of my tower presets

it just depends on your kollection

for me, Ive paid my due and grinded this account enough with not a single penny spent on it and now I clear just about 80% of fatal towers multiple times

[visual osprey]

160

[night bone]

oh I got another fatal 200 to do

[shell harness]

Well speak of the devil lol

Um...klassic rain and geek defense

[tribal beacon]

Game crashed as I was about to kill tremor one shot

2nd try - no crash and cleared

[sick turret]

is it intended when you red card someone with sonya they lose their tower modifiers? I was on 154 fatal and red carded jade and she didnt have regeneration when i was fighting her

[shell harness]

Yes, she prevents recovery/regeneration. Other tower modifiers no

[night bone]

yeah, sonya’s recovery disable is different from kl ermac’s

hers is more like incurability, almost no healing goes through

I found one instance where healing doesnt get blocked tho

[sick turret]

uf did not know that ty now ill be using her in certain situations

[night bone]

regen against one character, no more

[inner spindle]

she's so perfect against regeneration modifier

[night bone]

we meet again mr carlton

oh he will not believe what he’s gonna hear

[unique remnant]

Hello... again

[sick turret]

yes thats enough

[sick turret]

man mk11 jade bd kabal and mk11 kabal with regen i wasted 3 tries on it

[visual osprey]

Have fun

[inner spindle]

jade red card and then isolate the kabals 1x1

[sick turret]

thats exactly what i did and it was easy

[unreal pelican]

Sadge

[inner spindle]

payne

[sick turret]

at least you aint getting 5x gold only

[cyan hatch]

Finally a good drop from fatal 100 3rd run

[velvet monolith]

@ornate bronze had to ping you sorry😂

Finally

Wait not that

This

[unique remnant]

Yup, 2 funny tries after all

[visual osprey]

Nicee

[night bone]

alright that’s enough of the blind

watch me fail to resist with 91% debuff resistance

[woeful void]

one of 5 diamonds i have max and i got him 🥲

F100

[night bone]

bruh gimme that

[tiny cliff]

Mine f9 😆

[unique remnant]

Hello again

[maiden sundial]

F100 also. SB's should illegal in this tower

[night bone]

good day to you sir

and now I have all bd members, neat

[maiden sundial]

GG, great

[night bone]

i do like bd tremor even if he’s not the kinda diamond you want to actively use at low fusion

[tacit cradle]

give him his legacy and weekend dad and you don't have to worry about debuffs that are applied at the start of the match

[velvet monolith]

Wait you didn't have him?

That's crazy

[night bone]

yeah lol no

I got so many new diamonds in my kollection the past 2 weeks

[velvet monolith]

Good for you

[night bone]

fujin, kl rain, kl jax, wretch dvorah, nightwolf, and now tremor

[tacit cradle]

i hope i can get a bd member from this fw season

[velvet monolith]

Which one are you hoping for?

Or do you need all 3

[tacit cradle]

kabal and tremor

since kano was maxed when was a gold

[velvet monolith]

That is what I was wondering

Same here

[night bone]

im gonna try this build a tiny bit and see what I can do with it (sp2 build without sp2 even being unlocked lol)

[velvet monolith]

Who can forget the legacy of Cutthroat Kano

[tacit cradle]

i just want to max kabal and tremor so i can yeet out erron

[night bone]

and his price tag of 99k koins, amazing

[velvet monolith]

Yk what Bloody Mary will be insane on him tbh

Good dig out, i forgot another Beverage existed :3