competitive_discussion

[cerulean nacelle]

Pretty sure froslass doesn't KO zard with a tbolt.

Rotom might but if the opp sees you lead whims + fridgetom, they can most likely assume you're tryna kill their zard and play accordingly.

It's not as simple as "this does this, this equals that" lol

[dry nexus]

yoo welcome to the wild west of masters elo

[cerulean nacelle]

Ah sorry dude. I've been slumming about in the 1900s. Got to about 1960 ELO which isn't awful.

[tawdry urchin]

Play accordingly how?

[cerulean nacelle]

Set their weather, protect their zard, make a switch etc? I shouldn't have to explain this

[indigo coral]

If they go with the standard lead of Charizard plus Venusaur, they can Protect Charizard and Sleep Powder with Venusaur- and Venusaur runs Chlorophyl so once Charizard wins the weather war against you (which it will because it's slower) Venusaur is the fastest thing on the field

[tawdry urchin]

If they switch it's not that big of a deal and if they protect it's a free encore

[tawdry urchin]

My whim has taunt

[cerulean nacelle]

Also fun fact

32 SpA Rotom-Frost Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y: 120-144 (78.4 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO.

Frostom can't actually threaten the OHKO. So they're very well within their ability to just set tailwind and spam heat waves.

[indigo coral]

How is your Whimsicott selecting Taunt and Tailwind in the same turn? You can't Taunt also also set up Tailwind to outspeed the Venusaur

[cerulean nacelle]

If you predict they're gonna protect the zard you can just click taunt with whims to prevent venu from using sleep powder.

Then tailwind after. Taunt on whims for venu ain't actually a bad idea.

[tawdry urchin]

I can just protect frost, whim has sash

[cerulean nacelle]

Either way, scarf frostom tbolt isn't a check to zard

[tawdry urchin]

Then I won't lead with it?

[dry nexus]

if you really hate zard y that much, why aren't you bringing a rock type to your team

[cerulean nacelle]

But then what's your plan for zard Y lol.

[tawdry urchin]

I've literally told you bruh 😭 whimsacott frostlass

[cerulean nacelle]

Ok run me through the play.

[tawdry urchin]

Aerodactyl is the only good rock type rn and it doesn't make sense using when I have whimsacott

[tawdry urchin]

Tailwind whimsacott, thunderbolt zard/ Taunt venasaur and protect frostlass

[cerulean nacelle]

32 SpA Froslass-Mega Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y: 98-116 (64 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Cool, so now your whimsicotts sash has been used up and your froslass is dead.

[tawdry urchin]

I'll use thunder instead 🥹 🥹 🥹

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah OK I'm done tryna help lol

[tawdry urchin]

This is why I don't like weather teams, the Pokémon have atrocious move pools

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not the move pool that's the problem here lol

[dry nexus]

if you hate weathers that much bring in a cloud nine mon lmao

worked like a charm for me

[tawdry urchin]

A what?

[cerulean nacelle]

Me when grandad dragon turns off my weather

[dry nexus]

altaria really carried my butt to masters 😌

[tawdry urchin]

I hate it because it's literally rock paper scizzors, fire counters ice, ice counters water (ig), water counters rock and rock counters fire. It's brain dead

[cerulean nacelle]

Also coming back to this...

Mega froslass has arguably one of the best offensive stab spreads. A super strong blizzard and the ever spammable shadow ball. You also have access to bolt beam (ice + electric coverage etc) which is I believe an unresisted type combo.

The issue is not weather, it's not a lack of movepools. It is you not understanding how to actually play into actual pokemon teams at this point.

All of the examples you've given I've easily proven that it won't work for you, and instead of going "Oh OK, what can I adjust to make this match up better" you've just complained or given redundant and sometimes stupid remarks.

[dry nexus]

and cloud nine is the gun to that rock paper scissors game

[cerulean nacelle]

More like an apache pistol lol.

Its not great but it's there.

[dry nexus]

true true

[tawdry urchin]

NO ONE is seriously running cloud nine on their team. Drapmpa is trash

[dry nexus]

that's why altaria doubled as the tailwind user at least it'll have some use beside standing there and be cute

[cerulean nacelle]

That's a pretty fun way to utilise it lol.

[dry nexus]

My altaria has bulky investments with these moves

• Heat Wave
• Tailwind
• Protect
• Roost

imo I've utilized it pretty well for a bad mon

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega drampa is a pretty decent trick room pokemon, not to mention some people doing the weird gimmicks of things like alakazam speed swap onto mega drampa to make it base 120 speed so it's a super fast offensive hyper voice spammer.

This is another habit you need to get out of. Not every pokemon is trash. Some are harder to use for sure but a lot can work.

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah they won't work which is why I didn't want to play a weather team in the first place

[tawdry urchin]

"decent" isn't good enough. There's a meta and drampa isn't part of it

[cerulean nacelle]

It can work. Your close-minded attitude is why it isn't. You're looking for reasons to say "I don't wanna use this". Don't bother trying to get people to actually help if this is all you're gonna do.

It's honestly kinda pathetic.

[cerulean nacelle]

Wow, bro doesn't know anti-meta as a term huh?

Bro also thinks zard Y is trash so I'm ngl I don't trust your opinion of "meta" lmao.

[indigo coral]

Can we please be civil?

[tawdry urchin]

It gets hard diffed by aerodactyl 😭 it's pretty trash

[cerulean nacelle]

That's 1 match up that it doesn't do well into, or just one that you need to play more strategically around. That doesn't automatically invalidate all it's other strengths.

[dry nexus]

this guy focuses too much in a single matchup

[tawdry urchin]

Yet nearly everyone is using aerodactyl because of how good it is?

[cerulean nacelle]

Yes. They're using aero because of its unique ability to help threaten zard Y. Because zard Y otherwise was very hard to check.

If a pokemon rises to usage as a counterpick to a dominant pokemon/strategy, that does not mean that suddenly zard Y is trash lmao.

[lost sun]

good thing there is 5 other Pokémon to pick

[dry nexus]

truly the case of incin falling to 3rd(?) usage

[cerulean nacelle]

^

[tawdry urchin]

Like who? There's no way to KO areo turn 1 without it getting value

[cerulean nacelle]

I think that was less aerodactyls fault ironically. More sneasler. Sneasler is just very well positioned atm.

[dry nexus]

yep

Sneasler checks A LOT of the high usage mons

[kindred current]

Do yall think theirs a possible team out their that could be unbeatable in the right hands? Completely hypothetical, but since so much math is involved in vgc could a perfect robot make a perfect team and be unbeatable? Like how computers can beat chess masters over and over? Or is their too much randomness to allow this?

[cerulean nacelle]

Well that's sorta the strength of mons like whimsicott or aero. It's very likely you will get some form of value outta em as long as you play strategically.

It's about trying to mitigate. Not downright deny.

[bold geode]

Impossible

[lost sun]

can use smth like scarf rotom to slow the aero with eweb then take it out with another move in the same turn

[tawdry urchin]

Slowing it down isn't going to do anything to stop it 🤦

[near crag]

Whims, talonflame, any fake out user, priority taunt, scary face, or twave, scarf mons, any tr user, even wide guard if your're scared of rock slide. Not like it's not ragebait, but there are ways to beat anything.

[cerulean nacelle]

It is when you consider that if you slow it down your other pokemon can then threaten to kill it. Especially because electroweb will have also broken the sash.

[lost sun]

it could let Ur other Mon move next then finish off the aerodactyl

[dry nexus]

breaks sash and lets your other mon finish it off?

[dense latch]

i dont think pokémon will ever be solved like chess is

[cerulean nacelle]

I genuinely cannot tell whether this man is the ultimate ragebaiter or actually this much of a narrow minded person when it comes to this game

[dense latch]

at least in the next like decade idk what might happen

[dry nexus]

since the rules are always changing

[tawdry urchin]

Ig

[near crag]

Not like we're talking about a zard y venusaur team, that has fast sleep powder

[lost sun]

too much randomness aswell like misses damage rolls and crits

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh yeah, our boy here thinks zard Y is trash lol.

[near crag]

Of course it sucks, do you know it gets one shot by adamant basculegion wave crash in the rain?

[tawdry urchin]

Holy shit someone that agrees with me!?!?

[kindred current]

Does the randomness ever seem unfair to yall? It's gotta be frustrating to see a game end off on chance vs strategy

[cerulean nacelle]

🤣 sarcasm my good man

[lost sun]

also gets 1 shot in the sun if it's adaptability

but u can survive it with a lot of defence investment

[tawdry urchin]

Doesn't change anything

[near crag]

Even jolly

[cerulean nacelle]

It swings both ways.

I've had dire claw sleep procs lose me games. And I've had double blizzard freezes win me games.

It's great when it happens, it's shitty when it affects your chance to win. Just roll with the punches.

[cerulean nacelle]

Sarcasm actually does change the context a lot lmao

[tawdry urchin]

Doesn't change the fact zard Y is trash*

[lost sun]

sure

[tawdry urchin]

Literally HOW do you deal with aerodactyl with a zard Y team??? You haven't told me

[lost sun]

I literally told u

[dense latch]

is this not obvious ragebait

[cerulean nacelle]

You have 5 other mons.

Build the rest of your team to help with aero.

[dense latch]

it’s been happening for months lmao

[near crag]

Beat me to it

[tawdry urchin]

No one is using rotom in zard Y. Not from my experiences

[cerulean nacelle]

You know, you'd think so. But this man also has just shown a lack of actual knowledge. So I'm not sure if he's just highly opinionated or just bad.

[lost sun]

I do and it works great

[kindred current]

If yall had the chance to swing the vcg into more strategy or rng,
would you change it? And to which direction?

[tawdry urchin]

Which one?

[lost sun]

strategy ofc

[lost sun]

wash

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh they've already kinda done it for us? There is less RNG in the game atm.

[lost sun]

it's mainly for the rain matchup but it helps with aero aswell

[tawdry urchin]

And what's even killing areo?

[lost sun]

I usually lead chomp and rotom if they have aero since most of the time they lead aero

[cerulean nacelle]

Ik that a sneasler CC can actually kill a weakened aerodactyl.

So eweb into CC is a good way to murder aero

Chomp is a good answer yeah

[dense latch]

idk if i'd agree with this the meta feels very variance heavy with the lack of cloak and rock slide kinda dominating rn

i will say the balance changes have been pretty nice which i assume is what you were referring to

still get full parad way too often though lmao

[lost sun]

fr I would play more often but it feels like I lose to luck more than my mistakes

[bold geode]

Ok I've had my fill of popcorn
@cerulean nacelle I know it's frustrating but let's keep ourselves in check too, as if we don't we can get ourselves in trouble
As for you @tawdry urchin you do this arguing all the time and quite frankly I'm tired of it as I'm sure you've been warned by me and another member of comp staff to not do so, so here's the thing
If you're gonna just argue, don't bother asking for advice. If you're willing to not argue for once, then you can ask. No more arguing, I don't wanna hear you complain about it, I don't want to hear no buts, the next time I see you arguing, mods are getting involved
Lastly, this goes for everyone, keep yourselves in check, don't need anyone else getting in trouble over this nonsense

[cerulean nacelle]

I mean it could also be way worse.

Thunder wave isn't really relevant because the chance of a full para is so low now.

Dire claw rng got nerfed drastically.

The sleep and frozen mechanics being adjusted.

Even other small niche ones like moonblast going from a 30% special attack drop chance to 10% chance.

There always will be rng. But there's a lot less.

[tawdry urchin]

Both garchomp and rotom? Yeah that isn't going to work. Either garchomp, venasaur, or Incin needs to be swapped out for it

[lost sun]

it works I've done it quite a few times

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah rotom + chomp is a very tried and true pair. What item you running on chomp if I may ask?

[foggy lodge]

you are just unlucky erik💔

[lost sun]

white herb rn

[tawdry urchin]

Warned? Since when?

[tawdry urchin]

And your team is?

[lost sun]

zard y Venu chomp Incin rotom and gambit

[cerulean nacelle]

That's fair. I do like me a white herb chomp. Other items just don't feel relevant, soft sand can be good but is situational etc. Same with dragon fang.

[foggy lodge]

Ive been using berries

Like sitrus or the fairy/dragon berry

[tawdry urchin]

No whimsacott or frigiraf?

[lost sun]

I had yache berry but I hardly used it

[lost sun]

nah

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh actually yeah, lum berry chomp I think is underrated.

[foggy lodge]

The thing about yache is that the ice things you live are situational and sometimes you just die anyways lol

Can Garchomp take a blizzard from froslass with the berry?

[bold geode]

A while now, and I believe the second warning from someone else was just recent
Don't do it again dawg

[lost sun]

can't remember tbh

[bold geode]

You're on strike 3 and you're still at the plate

[cerulean nacelle]

Nope. They've died even to my very much weaker bulkier mega froslass.

[indigo coral]

I really am a fan of Swords Dance Lum Garchomp, people don't usually play around it on the ingame Champions ladder

[foggy lodge]

Swords dance is cool

[near crag]

Sash chomp is rly nice too, and I noticed that somehow most players don't expect it

[foggy lodge]

Ive considered it but like hmmmm im too used to 3 attacks lmao

[bold geode]

Even with Yache?

[foggy lodge]

Give me the life orb

[bold geode]

I mean Froslass does hit pretty damn hard

[tawdry urchin]

A 2nd warning!? From who 😭? I haven't out right been given a "warning"

[foggy lodge]

Life orb chomp with Gambit is so fucking broken

[lost sun]

I would use the life orb if it was itg

[kindred current]

Learning about lumberry, my team I was using earlier is mostly physical attackers, and kept getting cooked by burns

[cerulean nacelle]

I might have to check, I think a bulkier chomp might? I'm like 99% certain the max max speedy chomps with yatche don't.

[near crag]

Let them help u holm

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Okay, great. Im Champion. Stop with the attitude towards other players cause your nonsense is everywhere and I’m not having it in this channel. Be polite.

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · Apr 25, 2026, 4:25 PM

[bold geode]

Believe it or not, that's a warning regarding your behavior and now you've gotten another

IN THE SAME DAY MIND YOU

[tawdry urchin]

And you have success without speed control and trick room counter?

[lost sun]

I got speed control

tr I just bring gambit and stall it

[cerulean nacelle]

16 SpA Froslass-Mega Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 2 SpD Yache Berry Garchomp: 204-242 (111.4 - 132.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So yeah even with less special attack investment, chomp doesn't live the blizzard even with yatche

[foggy lodge]

20+ SpA Mega Froslass Blizzard vs. 22 HP / 4 SpD Yache Berry Garchomp: 168-200 (81.9 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Bulky lives it

[tawdry urchin]

Where? So what y'all just put warnings behind peoples back without telling them?

[foggy lodge]

i still don't think i would use it idk ice is also a bit uncommon in this format outside of like froslass and ice beam milotic i think

[forest arrow]

Yeah dragon or fairy makes more sense

[bold geode]

That was out in the open
Keep arguing and I'll slap a third on your forehead
Stop while you're ahead

[foggy lodge]

A9 is a thing too I think

[bold geode]

DAMN LMAO

[lost sun]

that's why I swapped to white herb since I hardly used the yache

[forest arrow]

A9 is getting played with Gengar

[kindred current]

It seems like rn the meta is filled with physical attackers, but if there are ways to block physical attackers (reflect/will-o-wisp) then why does the meta stay physical?

[tawdry urchin]

Fraud-chomp for a reason

[foggy lodge]

cuz the best mons are physical anyways

Garchomp, Bascu, Sneasler, Aerodactyl, Kingambit

[lost sun]

also special moves on average are weaker than physical moves

[foggy lodge]

Scovillain is doing quite well thanks to that too

[dense latch]

there's also ways to punish physical hate

[foggy lodge]

So yeah people also have been capitalizing of the meta being so physically offensive

[dense latch]

that's why milotic has been getting more play next to very physical teams

[bold geode]

I hate that lil fucker

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, i think depending on how little investment you had on special attack in froslass garchomp might live a hit. But it's still so little health left that it's pretty much unworth.

At least on max attack max speed.

[foggy lodge]

Fr

[bold geode]

Yeah nah it's not worth

[foggy lodge]

i didn't think i would have to worry about mega scovillain😭

[dense latch]

even with the type reducing berries it's still essentially a regular super effective move

[tawdry urchin]

Out in the open where? I'm now just finding out I've been giving "warnings". I'm not arguing it's just why give me multiple warnings without outright telling me? That would've changed how I "argue" with others if I was told I had any.

[bold geode]

ME NEITHER DUDE

[foggy lodge]

tho ngl idt that mon is surviving more than 2 dex extensions

[cerulean nacelle]

It makes me sad when I see scovillain and know I can't bring kingambit.

[foggy lodge]

We have such a small pool of mons and megas that it lets weird mons like scovillain work

[bold geode]

Sigh

[dense latch]

im a visionary

[forest arrow]

I really wanna use Bax

Swampert

[dense latch]

i always kinda thought the ability was way too good for it not to be at least somewhat usable

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah low tier formats are always interesting.

[lost sun]

they fumbled harder when they didn't include gen 3 starters

[foggy lodge]

omg im also a visionary

[indigo coral]

Having played the format a lot, I definitely think that was intentional. There are very few good offensive grass types, Swampert would be a menace and make Rain insanely busted

[next dust]

I'm at work cooking straight dumpster fires. Even I don't get it at this point

[foggy lodge]

regieleki the only fun mon i played in reg I

[dense latch]

real

i still need to find a team for reg i

[foggy lodge]

wild team

[cobalt tapir]

Hey there buddy, you’ve been told by the comp staff to stop and he’s brought up the warnings, this is my warning to you to stop and move on entirely

[bold geode]

Why you cookin and speaking like Dracula Flow

[cerulean nacelle]

It was always a good ability we just thought the stats were too mid for it to be used thr eat we wanted it to be.

Turns our we were wrong. Bro takes a hit

[foggy lodge]

use whatever wins Prague tomorrow

Rayquaza is 8-1 rn

[shadow wind]

Groudon 🔥🔥🔥

[kindred current]

This is a fire line

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-boo-gif-1281926785517906930

[foggy lodge]

conner how would you build a groudon team for reg M-A

[forest arrow]

Everyone has m a mons

He has Groudon

[kindred current]

What does the ma stand for, does it stand for anything?

[bold geode]

But what about Reg MMA

[forest arrow]

Ggs shake his hand

[bold geode]

Mega Agitation

[foggy lodge]

Mega-A

[shadow wind]

White herb Groudon

[lost sun]

megulation a

[foggy lodge]

The A just means 1st reg

[shadow wind]

Mega manectric maybe

[kindred current]

I love learning

[bold geode]

Can't wait for Meg G

[forest arrow]

Meg G

[bold geode]

Meg G

[forest arrow]

Lmaoooooooooo

[kindred current]

Meganium

[indigo coral]

We don't know for certain, but I assume "Mega A" as in the first regulation with Mega Evolution

[cerulean nacelle]

Grab yourself a gravity mon and watch those precipice blades just go to town.

[bold geode]

HOLY SHIT IT'S MEG GRIFFIN

[foggy lodge]

They should have left the SV ladder on reg G

[next dust]

If only I knew 💔

[kindred current]

That makes so much sense

[tawdry urchin]

Alright sorry, Just saying that telling me I've been warned via public channel is just going to be swept under the rug in a day. I wont remember having any warning just from that alone.

[foggy lodge]

Greg G best format of SV

[near crag]

Been building this perish trap team, and got gengar, politoed, incin and sinistcha for the main mode, but for the rain mode, I got arch, and I'm between palafin and mega gyarados for that last slot. Palafin has some speed control with jet punch, and has a good typing for the team, but gyarados has more damage, support capabilities, and helps against the ghost types that screw perish over. Even though I'm running palafin rn I'm still kinda torn about it

[forest arrow]

How long do we have MA for

[foggy lodge]

hopefully only two months i already hate this format😭

[lost sun]

til June 17th iirc

[next dust]

But it's such a fun and creative format

[kindred current]

If we are going through all the gimmicks pokemon has had, which one are yall looking forward to the most or absolutely dreading

[cerulean nacelle]

Anyway it's been mostly fun talking to you lot. I gotta get off.

@bold geode sorry about before. Didn't mean to lose my temper. I was tryna help the man understand a match up and help him build a mega froslass team and... well you saw how things went. I do apologise.

[bold geode]

I ran Aerodactyl for Sun stuff

[bold geode]

You're good, I understand where you were coming from, we just need to make sure we stay calm when doing so

[indigo coral]

As someone who missed SwSh, I am both looking forward to and dreading Dynamax. I have heard The Stories about it and look forward to experiencing it for myself

[next dust]

Mega falinks. It's gonna be terrible to play against

[cobalt tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-and-love-peace-and-love-ringo-starr-unity-and-goodwill-beatles-thebeatles-gif-16407681617104991188

[dry nexus]

gmax butterfree my goat 😭

[cobalt tapir]

[kindred current]

Has mega falinks ability been released?

[cerulean nacelle]

Weakness policy stonks were at an all time high. That's all ima say.

I used many a WP mon. My faves were togekiss and gigalith though lmao.

[tawdry urchin]

Not even in the game yet sadly 🥲

[cerulean nacelle]

Don't believe so. I think the last time I checked most speculations were that it kept defiant.

[next dust]

No but he doesn't need it that Mon is a cancer on its own

[bold geode]

Mega Falinks probably just wants to keep Defiant

[dry nexus]

good old days of beat up the dynamax lucario as well

[next dust]

+6 omniboost falinks mega will genuinely make me cry

[kindred current]

That sounds nasty with intimidate meta

[near crag]

I just need to get back to tera man, it's so much skill expression

[cerulean nacelle]

Or terrakion haha.

[next stump]

yooooo 9-0 in the skraw tournaments lets go

[next dust]

If you trap falinks before no retreat. It loses the one time use part of the move and it just keeps snowballing them

[cerulean nacelle]

Yup. Defiant and competitive really are strong atm. Another reason why incin is dropping in usage.

[dense latch]

holyyy congrats!!

[indigo coral]

YOOOOOO let's gooooo! Congrats!!!

[kindred current]

Falinks is a cutie too

[dense latch]

you're the ttar mimikyu team right?

[cerulean nacelle]

Who's betting that when falinks gets released, everyone and their momma is gonna be on haze milotic.

[harsh depot]

Double kick Terrakion? war flashbacks

[next stump]

yes that is me

[next dust]

That's when sableye enters the fight

[kindred current]

That's insane 🔥

[next dust]

Encore disable

[cerulean nacelle]

Or wisp. Wisp is also good.

[tawdry urchin]

The good old taunt:

[next dust]

Nah just lock milotic and mons like it into haze

Then disable it falinks gets to keep rolling

[kindred current]

I kinda wanna get back on the game again, despite my lose streak

[next dust]

Take a break and drink some water. Best advice you will ever receive

[dry nexus]

personally I stopped caring about the wins anymore, if I do it'll just make me tilted

[indigo coral]

Wait, can you stack No Retreat? For some reason I convinced myself that you can only use it once / it doesn't stack

[next dust]

Only if you trap falinks into the fight first. Since the trigger to end the ability to use no retreat is being trapped after use it allows you to stack

So run it next to like malamar or something

[indigo coral]

Oh that's kinda banger actually, I like that team idea

[next dust]

It's cancer

And I've done a crime for even telling people

[kindred current]

Malamar?

[next dust]

I am the real problem

[indigo coral]

It seems a bit inconistent, but it will be VERY funny the first time I see it pulled against me

[tawdry urchin]

And sabeleye knows block 😫

[next dust]

Many uses

Then you just rage powder

And snowball

[kindred current]

What's the synergy of malamar and falinks?

[tawdry urchin]

Reflect, light screen, block, light clay sabeleye with mega failinks 😫

[bold geode]

Fair warning
Might wanna refrain from using words like this to describe things as some may find offense here

[next dust]

Block mostly

Then topsy turvy helps too

[bold geode]

YOU WENT UNDEFEATED BRO

My man

[tawdry urchin]

Falinks learns megahorn btw lmfao

[next dust]

Yeah it's so cooked

[kindred current]

Do most people here play in tournaments?

[bold geode]

Wait @next stump is your Limitless name a longer version of mlbd

[next dust]

If I ran malamar with it I'd run like block hypnosis and topsy turvy then when I ran into issues I'd just send out prankster sableye to keep the ball rolling

[tawdry urchin]

The only thing saving mega malamar is giving it the best ability aot. Otherwise it's a filler mega 💔

[next stump]

yes haahah that is the OG name

before i had to shorten it

[next dust]

So yeah you think ryme+crab gimmick is bad you just wait

[bold geode]

LMFAO yeah I saw that and I was like bruh

Based name honestly

Congrats, good team too

[kindred current]

For people who play in tournaments what was the moment you realized you were ready?

[bold geode]

Never lol

[next dust]

You aren't. That's why you play them

[bold geode]

Actually I only done online
As for irl idk but I imagine it's the same LOL

Unless you're speaking on a team in which case that varies

[next stump]

thank you, totally stole it from joeux9

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[bold geode]

Some have teams ready a week before an event and some lock it in at like 3AM the day of

[kindred current]

They have vgc tourneys for teams of people?

[bold geode]

LOL I know it looked familiar

[bold geode]

Nah Pokemon teams

The teams you use

[kindred current]

Ah I see

Do yall do scrims in here?

[next dust]

I am the second

[kindred current]

Oh wait the battle station, disregard

[bold geode]

Real

[tawdry urchin]

Ryme+crab?

[kindred current]

It's cool seeing the differences in competitive video game scenes

[next dust]

Mr ryme makes crab instant max attack

[indigo coral]

I think they meant the Mr Ryme (the Galarian Mr Mime Evolution) and Mega Crabominable? Not 100% sure though

[tawdry urchin]

How?

[next dust]

Frost breath into crab for garunteed crit

[indigo coral]

Seconding the how, that sounds awesome

[next dust]

Activates ability

Ability gives crab max attack in one turn

Y'all really havent played that tr team yet?

[cerulean nacelle]

See this reminds me of dynamax format.

Using something like frost breath froslass with scarf into a dynamaxed anger point tauros.

[near crag]

Plus 6 zard x with hh one taps bulky mega ttar with breaking swipe... belly drum and sinistcha... I think I'm gonna make some people get a fast taunt user in their team

[tawdry urchin]

Tr is trash so no I haven't. I played crab tr till ultraball but I got hard stuck

[next dust]

Almost everyone is running tr in master I play against

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah TR is one of the big guys atm.

It was weird and clunky for a bit but now found it's footing.

[next dust]

Very quickly taking off

Especially as it cripples a ton of the formats meta teams atm

[near crag]

And palafin gets entrainment, so if I get the gimmick off it'll be worth the while

[kindred current]

If you had to chose to be better at team building, or play making. Which one would you pick

[tawdry urchin]

So when I have a hard counter to tr I'm always against some bs and you get to go against tr!? Lucky 😭

[next dust]

I wouldn't say lucky

It forces me into sinistcha every game

[cerulean nacelle]

Going against trick room is a major annoyance. Makes me go super defensive with sinsitcha and my super slow mons like incin and gambit.

And even gambit is riskier with people using mega scovillain atm.

[next dust]

With farig colbur berry it's impossible to stop it being set

[tawdry urchin]

Frigiraf is all it takes 🥹 ❤️

[next dust]

Then twin beam kills any sneasler

Helping hand

Hyper Voice

[kindred current]

How does one kill a farigiraf before it sets trick room

[cerulean nacelle]

You either gamble on the taunt or gamble on the damage.

Technically imprison tr is a thing. I ran a sash gardevoir once who's job was solely to do that lmao.

[next dust]

You hope it doesn't have colbur

And then try to kowtow cleave it

[tawdry urchin]

G max darkness ✌️

[cerulean nacelle]

Even then sitrus pushes it out of range of a lot of stuff.

So it's not always a guarantee anyway.

[next dust]

Armor tail shuts down most teams way of getting ahead

And you know it's gonna tr turn one or protect

[kindred current]

Is trick room the best way to set up priority atm?

[next dust]

Nothing else

So the safest play is protect Mon 1 and then kowtow farig

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not priority. It's a form of speed control. And it's mainly good because farigiraf stops fake out.

[next dust]

That way you can go for the 2hko

[kindred current]

Is it the best at speed control?

[next dust]

But if I lose my colbur turn one I protect turn two

[cerulean nacelle]

Just be like me. Kowtow + darkest lariat from incin

[next dust]

So now your dealing with up to three turns if you don't double up into it with dark

Oh but they can still use fake out and usually do

So

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah incin + farigiraf is a very safe combo.

[next dust]

Which is why I lead sinistcha+dark attacked into it

That way I can turn 2 tr with sinistcha and shut it off

[kindred current]

Idk how people keep all this info in their brain and recall it perfectly during a game

[next dust]

Making it vulnerable during second attempt at setting tr

Then you just have to ohko the second tr setter and you're free!

[kindred current]

This is why I couldn't get into showdown, theirs so many interactions to stay aware of

[cerulean nacelle]

The way my current team is built, I'm usually leading mega froslass + kingambit.

I can set up aurora veil and then just play out TR.

[dry nexus]

crazy amount of games in their belts

[cerulean nacelle]

2 things.

Practice.

And probably OCD.

We are all probably quite OCD about pokemon and comp lol

[next dust]

I spend more time on showdown ladder than actually laddering

[kindred current]

Aw fuck I brought the wrong letters

[next dust]

As soon as you build a team you need to just spam like 100 games with it just to be familiar

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh do you have 80 of them HDs?

[kindred current]

It's a lot of HDs I'd count them but I'd find something else to do half way through

[next dust]

Go fish

[cerulean nacelle]

That's fair. I'm ngl I'm just chilling in master rank 2. I'm not fussed about reaching champion rank. I got to master. I'm happy.

[next dust]

I did my climb with perish

[kindred current]

I just want funny number to go up🥺

[next dust]

Now I just run xard and hover at 1800 or so

[dry nexus]

You'll find the regulation that will fit the best for you eventually

[cerulean nacelle]

Who u running on xard? I like him but found team building for him clunky at times.

[kindred current]

I've seen like 2 xards my entire time on champions so far

[next dust]

It's beautiful

[cerulean nacelle]

He's funky. Basically bulky enough that he can't be killed while tough claws boosts his stabs enough that you can invest very little in attack and still hit hard after a d dance.

[kindred current]

https://pokepast.es/80a30bfdb462d059 could I get opinions/ suggestions on this team, I was running it earlier during my losing streak and I wanna know if its me or the team

[next dust]

Which is why sinistcha and alolan Ninetales are so important

[dry nexus]

talonflame isn't reliable imo

[tawdry urchin]

How do you deal with aerodactyl?

[cerulean nacelle]

I ran a9 on xard team with sinistcha. Good to see that I'm not stupid in that regard lol.

[next dust]

Wash

[kindred current]

I ran into a very annoying sinistcha with a shell bell earlier

[next dust]

Oh hey I do that ♥️

[tawdry urchin]

Ig? You can't outspeed it though

[cerulean nacelle]

Sometimes you gotta accept that you aren't gonna be able to stop aero from doing something. It's just sometimes about mitigating how much of something he can do.

[kindred current]

I only won against it cause it accidentally triggered competitive on my milotic 😭 I was so cooked otherwise

[next dust]

I don't need to. I have aurora veil and redirect

Sneasler fake out+hydro pump tends to work too

[tawdry urchin]

He outspeeds zard and easily sets up tail wind 😭 what am I supposed to do?

[next dust]

I mean suuuure they can fake out me and set tw

But hey I only need a dragon dance so who cares?

Or sometimes for funsies I introduce him to this monstrosity

Oh tazer rat how they sleep on you

[tawdry urchin]

Omg you're running zard X 😭

One and only zard x user has been found

[next dust]

Yeah that's what the team sheet showed you 😂

[dry nexus]

zard x makes for a funny misdirection in my part

[next dust]

And it's a monster

[dry nexus]

^

[next dust]

Heat wave spam yard is for great ball. I'm here to play good pokemon

[kindred current]

Thoughts and opinions, dragon cheer hydrapple

[kindred current]

Would whimsicot be better?

[tawdry urchin]

Yes, let my garchomp hit zard with earthquake 😫

[next dust]

You're too slow gangster

[dry nexus]

yeah but you already have your sash on sneasler

[next dust]

I only run hydrapple next to Darkrai

[dry nexus]

bring my boy grimmsnarl back

[tawdry urchin]

Garchomp's base speed is higher than zard x by 2 lmfao 🤣

[kindred current]

What if white herb on sneasler

[next dust]

Still forgetting dragon dance are you?

[tawdry urchin]

The humble whimsacott with encore

[dry nexus]

yeah that would be the common item they give it and it negates intimidate while also activating your unburden buff

[next dust]

The humble sneasler with fake out

C'mon homie I play around chomp all the time lmao

[dry nexus]

I'm about to run tailwind for my aerodactyl

should I remove taunt?

[tawdry urchin]

The humble frigiraf with armour tail

[kindred current]

-# I forgot sneasler has unburden thats so cool

[dry nexus]

be a gambler and run poison touch 😂

[kindred current]

Unburden probably disappears if sneasler switches doesn't it

[dry nexus]

it does

[kindred current]

Unfortnite 😔

[next dust]

If tr then I'm just not bringing him? Lmao

You don't need megas to win matches just skill and a bit of luck

[tawdry urchin]

I use zard Y so I don't use tr

[next dust]

Then farigs useless on that team

You can get the same thing from just killing the prio user

[tawdry urchin]

Imprison, trick room, protect. Thunderbolt as well for peliper

[next dust]

Alakazam

[tawdry urchin]

Huh? No one is using alakazam

[near crag]

Belly drum zard x with breaking swipe, hospitality, psych up palafin with jet punch. https://pokepast.es/5970c8042a5fa2d4 I want to outgimmick muk smeargle

[kindred current]

Doing research on sneasel line, shiny hisuian sneasel looks so cool? Help?

[next dust]

Does everything you just listed

And is much stronger

[rustic mountain]

??? its been rising in useage recently

[next dust]

Alakazam

If you're so focused on what everyone else is using you become predictable

[kindred current]

I love gambling

[molten oasis]

I haven’t personally seen much zard x but I definitely see it getting usage

[tawdry urchin]

I have not seen a soul use alakazam... Not even Wolfy. What does it even bring to the table?

[rustic mountain]

u said one and only zard x user?

[kindred current]

I've seen him use alakazam, recently too

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt say oh wow this is common but its good and its used

[next dust]

Everything you just listed farig do but is also a special nuke to boot. And fast as hell

[molten oasis]

Yeah definitely

Could easily cause issues for my stuff since I’m still on phox

[tawdry urchin]

Because no one uses it when y is superior?

[rustic mountain]

drago ull never guess which mega ive had the most success w/ so far

[molten oasis]

Kang? Floette? Zard?

[rustic mountain]

nope

[next dust]

Y is a spread spam clutch Mon lmao

[molten oasis]

Phox?

[kindred current]

He had alakazam and drampa, I don't remember the strategy tho

[rustic mountain]

nah

[dry nexus]

what's the usual EV spread for sinistcha?

[near crag]

Got some zard x going on right here https://pokepast.es/5970c8042a5fa2d4

[molten oasis]

Meganium?

[rustic mountain]

close

[molten oasis]

No shot, scovillain?

[next dust]

That's it doesnt take skill to click heat wave

[near crag]

calm mind drampa speed swap alakazam

[bold geode]

Unfortnite

[rustic mountain]

hahaha no but i think that might b my next

venu

[molten oasis]

Hmmm, grass type mega?

[tawdry urchin]

Yet it's better than x

[molten oasis]

I was about to say venu

[rustic mountain]

u were close

[bold geode]

Damn you

[molten oasis]

with what comp I’m curious?

[next dust]

It's just a spread attacker that gets one shot by Pikachu

and often gets outsped

[rustic mountain]

the one in cybertrons vid
chomp-corv-rotom heat-venu-prim and ttar

[rustic mountain]

y lol

[tawdry urchin]

You're just running random bullshit on your team aren't you 😭

[next dust]

No different than any other spread spam mega

[kindred current]

Kane and UK yall should face each other and let me spec

[next dust]

Have you not seen 199 spatk nuke lightning rod Pikachu one tapping with volt switch

[rustic mountain]

listed it above

[next dust]

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-inquisition-gif-20076214

[tawdry urchin]

No because Pikachu is trash and has no usage

90 speed isn't enough

[next dust]

It wipes every single water and flying type except milotic and sash users with volt switch

Has fake out. Has helping hand. Has nuzzle has thunder you name it

[kindred current]

That sounds very strong

[next dust]

It's 2hko mega aggron

With that same volt switch

[tawdry urchin]

If you're not switching out a slow water type with pikachu on the field that's on you

[next dust]

Bros never heard of rain teams

[tawdry urchin]

How does that change anything?

[molten oasis]

Prim good?

[kindred current]

Please I wanna see

[molten oasis]

I’ve been, super hesitant on trying Primarina

[next dust]

If you're forced to swap because of chu. Which most of y'all don't because you don't know how hard it hits

[rustic mountain]

wen i bring it, usually

[next dust]

You're taking an L

[kindred current]

I love primarina, I have a shiny one named gyaru

[next dust]

Just because a Mon sees no usage doesn't mean it's bad

[molten oasis]

Cool, I’ve thought about it next to Delphox

They cover eachother pretty well

[rustic mountain]

not a whole lot of things that threaten it and the team covers for it enough

[next dust]

It just means you aren't creative enough to leave the meta a bit and experiment

[kindred current]

Delphox is cool, I should get a delphox

[rustic mountain]

pikachu isnt good dude sorry to break it to u

[molten oasis]

Feel like your main issues on prima are sneasler

[near crag]

Someone should do a primarina perish team. It's trash, but it's funny

[tawdry urchin]

The only thing you realistically switch out if pickahu is on the field is peliper. Everything else is tanky enough to go against it

[molten oasis]

And sini, which phox murders so

[rustic mountain]

sneasler mainly yea, rotom can b annoying haha

[kindred current]

How do yall find a style to stick with, I wanna play a million different things at once

[molten oasis]

Ah, that guy lol

[rustic mountain]

but im usually not bringing stuff to cover prim necessarily usually is mu dependent

[tawdry urchin]

Play a team built around your favourite Pokémon(s) 🙏

[molten oasis]

Is it just a mystic water prima set or is it call mind?

[rustic mountain]

nah just 3 atks sitrus protect

[molten oasis]

And I bring stuff to protect phox I get you

[kindred current]

What if I like them all

[rustic mountain]

hyper voice, moonblast, hydro cannon and protect

[molten oasis]

Hydro cannon lmao

Valid, I get that

[tawdry urchin]

Then your #1 favourite

[rustic mountain]

i clicked it once in a desperate attempt, otherwise u really shouldnt click it at all

[next dust]

LMAO

Ok homie damage calcs exist maybe you should look at them

[molten oasis]

It’s a last resort

[rustic mountain]

right

[kindred current]

Knocking on Nintendos door to request a special walking wake in champions just for me

[rustic mountain]

lol

[tawdry urchin]

Mega agron and gyarados... Bro is playing casual doubles 😭

[rustic mountain]

drago r u single mega phox or double mega

[molten oasis]

I’m on uh, still phox but I put a9 on the team

[next dust]

I am probably higher ranked than you lmao

[kindred current]

My dad works at Nintendo should be pretty easy😎

[molten oasis]

I’ve really wanted to find a good second mega

I don’t know what

that isn’t floette

[rustic mountain]

yea i found phox is good but i think it needs another mega

[kindred current]

Mmmm froslass

[foggy lodge]

Kang isn't bad with it i think

[molten oasis]

I’ve tried Ttar

You suck into rain

And Meganium just hasn’t felt right, which are the two I’ve tried

[next dust]

Insane how many players think if it isn't meta it's trash

[tawdry urchin]

What rank are you then?

[foggy lodge]

Manectric🙏

[next dust]

I am pushing 1900 currently

[molten oasis]

lol, no

[next dust]

And I did it without spread spam

[rustic mountain]

meganium another prolly needs a 2nd mega but yea phox and it dont work together imo

[kindred current]

What about froslass?

[molten oasis]

Not at all

[kindred current]

Aww

[molten oasis]

They struggle into the exact same things

[rustic mountain]

u want ur other mega to cover ur other mega into the mus its bad into

[molten oasis]

Incin, gambit, rain and sand

[kindred current]

Mega meganium

[foggy lodge]

if you play delphox i think you need something that beats gengar incin and gambit

[rustic mountain]

otherwise why have a 2nd mega

[molten oasis]

It’s too clunky with how the team is

[craggy dagger]

why not phox and dnite or smth like that?

[molten oasis]

You don’t beat gambit or sand with dnite

[next dust]

Chomp sneas

[tawdry urchin]

Champions?

[kindred current]

Mega dragonite is so cute

[craggy dagger]

low kick inner focus…

[molten oasis]

Uhhhhhh, I guess? Dnite’s not great outside of rain tho

[next dust]

Mhm. Let me guess you are gonna try and flex a showdown ladder

[craggy dagger]

honestly
i barely use mega on dnite

[molten oasis]

Specially, cuz idt mega dnite can work as a physical attacker

[kindred current]

I'd kill a man for a life size plush of mega dragonite

[molten oasis]

Uhhhh, idt floette is right tbh

[rustic mountain]

do u hav another mega slot?

[molten oasis]

Lemme get the paste 1 sec

[craggy dagger]

it gets a bit of a stat boost which is fine but like
ehhh
you prolly wanna run physical

[tawdry urchin]

Nah, I'm totally pushing 1899 rn 😁

[craggy dagger]

delphox

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/2d6848e32fbdf654

[foggy lodge]

i think mega dnite's damage is pathetic outside of rain

[next dust]

Then you are only a few points away.

[rustic mountain]

yea i could see y u wouldnt mega it then, its more a flex option if needed

[next dust]

Oh and I did mine with perish

[molten oasis]

So here, a9 has been huge for weather control

I beat rain pretty consistently with a9

[rustic mountain]

its damage is underwhelming inside of rain as someone whose played quite a few games w. it

[molten oasis]

I like Milo and chomp but idt either are actually necessary

[kindred current]

(What does a9 stand for?)

[rustic mountain]

its good into certain niche megas otherwise its tough

[molten oasis]

Sneasler and gambit feel too important to drop, Alolan Ninetales

[foggy lodge]

mega dnite is pathetic in general imo but atleast hurricane hits hard i guess

[next dust]

Alolan ninetales

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/ca1ea7b950bc339b
yah
kind of

[rustic mountain]

depends wat ur hitting into

[molten oasis]

So I’m open to dropping Milo or Chomp, both have been good but Milo comes the least

[tawdry urchin]

I wouldn't be running spread spam if the game actually had Pokémon in it 😞

[craggy dagger]

i like air slash more than hurricane
but kinda just how i play

[molten oasis]

I’ve thought about glimmora

[craggy dagger]

rotom wash helps into rain and sand

[next dust]

It does. You just need to stop considering anything that wasn't posted by a YouTuber trash

[molten oasis]

It likes snow too, but gambit and sand still suck

[foggy lodge]

ngl i think kang does super well with kingambit and sneasler

[craggy dagger]

true

[rustic mountain]

ull hate sand

[molten oasis]

Exactly

[craggy dagger]

well
idk about sneasler but def gambit

[molten oasis]

So, kang?

[rustic mountain]

i think kang isnt a bad suggestion at all

[molten oasis]

I haven’t tried that

[craggy dagger]

kang is prolly good

[molten oasis]

I’ve thought about lopp and lucario before too

[tawdry urchin]

Half the megas aren't even in the game yet 😭 mega falinkd gets screwed over in both tcg and vgc 🥀

[craggy dagger]

kanga is prolly better than lucario at least

[molten oasis]

But idt this is the right environment for either of them

Both want pao imo

[foggy lodge]

you can run coaching on sneasler to boost it

[craggy dagger]

lopp has better niche matchups but like
outside of that it’s meh

[rustic mountain]

is sneasler and dnite ur main help into sand?

[foggy lodge]

Even hold mega so you don't get intimidated

[next dust]

And? Every single mega (aside from that dumpster banette) is useable and can climb masters

[craggy dagger]

sneasler wash rotom

[rustic mountain]

ahh gotcha

[molten oasis]

Those are kinda nuts stat wise

[craggy dagger]

though i still hate gambling hydro pump

[molten oasis]

100 in 5 stats

[rustic mountain]

that w/ aurora veil makes it tough to kill

[foggy lodge]

lowkey banette isnt super terrible prankster will o wisp can be annoying LOL

[molten oasis]

I could totally slot veil!

[rustic mountain]

fake out/sucker/double edge/your choice

[molten oasis]

I’ve been on just encore but I’ve thought about veil a lot

[next dust]

So base sableye then?

[molten oasis]

Kang probably over Milo?

[rustic mountain]

try it

[foggy lodge]

nah but banette has other moves and can hit hard with its attack stat

[next dust]

Why would I waste my mega slot to do what another Mon can do without mega

[molten oasis]

Garchomp would need to exist for steel

[foggy lodge]

It isn't good but its not super useless ig

[craggy dagger]

167 at max positive nature
sooooooo
speed ties with some more meta picks like zard Y and dnite
outspeeds a bunch of other megas too

[tawdry urchin]

Didn't say all the megas were unusable? I'm saying the game has no Pokémon in it and the meta is the same bs. Half the new megas got trash abilities and have seen no play

[next dust]

Literally the worst mega. Name a worse one lmao

[rustic mountain]

u have phox for steel types otherwise put a fighting move on kang

[next dust]

Anti meta exists for a reason

[foggy lodge]

Audino

[craggy dagger]

does kang still get drain punch?

[molten oasis]

Right

[rustic mountain]

chomp is good for a plethora of other reasons

[next dust]

Still has more utility than banette

[craggy dagger]

helps into sneasler
kind of

[foggy lodge]

nah what does audino do

[molten oasis]

It’s good cuz it’s chomp in a low power format

[rustic mountain]

it can yea

[molten oasis]

I think like

[craggy dagger]

but phox also covers that too

[foggy lodge]

cool 30% change to heal a status ig lol

[molten oasis]

Okay when does phox NOT go

[next dust]

Trick room heal pulse wish helping hand

[craggy dagger]

sand

[rustic mountain]

^

[next dust]

Insane defensive bulk

[tawdry urchin]

And it's trash, every game is either the same meta team or random bs and they get swept

[molten oasis]

Sand and rain?

[craggy dagger]

that’s like prolly the only thing i’d worry about?
and maybe aerodactyl

[next dust]

I am not using meta and I win much more than I lose

So is many many people

[molten oasis]

Gambit exists

[craggy dagger]

ummm
phox can kinda work in rain, you just gotta be careful

[rustic mountain]

those r the ones i didnt bring it or like bringing it to

yea its delicate tho

[craggy dagger]

mhm

[molten oasis]

Definitely just

[tawdry urchin]

Because you found a team that you like and works, I haven't 😭

[next dust]

In fact I got absolutely swept by a mega chimeko team this morning

[molten oasis]

Rain is hard cuz with weather control phox nukes stuff

But there’s also basc, who just nukes her anyway

[foggy lodge]

And sunny day whimsi?

[craggy dagger]

phox still has psychic type moves to do damage

[next dust]

Then hop on showdown and experiment. No excuse needed to actually learn something new

[foggy lodge]

Like you can boost the heat wave

[rustic mountain]

aqua jet in rain just 1hkoing it

[foggy lodge]

And have weather control

[molten oasis]

It sucks!

[craggy dagger]

could work
but you’re giving up encore prolly?

[foggy lodge]

Nah tect

[next dust]

I make REALLY dumb teams and test them. Helps me find cores I wouldn't think exist. For example

[rustic mountain]

basc is so good this format

[foggy lodge]

Encore is a must

[craggy dagger]

just run sash and no protect?

[molten oasis]

Eh, like I guess

But gambit goes to every game that really hurts gambit

[foggy lodge]

ive considered occa berry

You can live a weather ball from chari with it

[tawdry urchin]

But again there's no good megas that I like without them having a flaw that makes them useless

[molten oasis]

I’ve also liked snow literally for blizzard pressure

Garchomp being so common gives a9 value

[craggy dagger]

what.

[next dust]

You just have to experiment. Everything is viable if you try

[molten oasis]

Can also reasonably throw it against sun, bring it to sash, then rip blizzards

[next dust]

That's the beauty of a low power format

[winter fox]

I'm honestly glad we didn't have Gastrodon with Pelipper. Because we really have no real Grass-types to deal with Water/Ground types.

[craggy dagger]

meganium in the corner…

[cyan smelt]

Venusaur

[foggy lodge]

yeah but then you have to use meganium

[next dust]

Now am I waiting to finally get my mega scrafty? Yes

[foggy lodge]

the grass pool is super limited

[craggy dagger]

true

[foggy lodge]

Venusaur is locked to sun teams unless its mega ig

[bold geode]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2048095103349084613

Twilite (@Twilite0)

Zard-y and Floette are highkey bums these mfs are never entering the builder again

Quoting Twilite (@Twilite0)
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Champions Festival Thread

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FxTwitter · Apr 25, 2026, 5:41 PM

[next dust]

But in the mean time I'm gonna make things that shouldn't work but do

[bold geode]

But we love Mega Meganium

[craggy dagger]

no item camerupt-?

[foggy lodge]

Nah Meganium is cool but it feels bad having to use a mega slot just to hit one type lmao

[winter fox]

Archaludon waiting in the opposite corner

[craggy dagger]

or am i missing something

[foggy lodge]

Its not slappable

[next dust]

I didn't have the stone when I built the team

[craggy dagger]

oh lol

[craggy dagger]

ehhh
meganium can take on archaludon
sorta

[rustic mountain]

dude the game literally wont let me return more then 2 of the mons it gives u cuz most of my mons r from home so it doesnt wanna leave me w/ less then 6 mons to battle w/ damn rip clearing up space ig

[next dust]

Also ignoring venu

[craggy dagger]

dunno how well venu would work in the rain

[tawdry urchin]

Crabomable is a trick room user, zard Y is quad weak to rock and a terrible movepool type wise, Tyranitar is a fraud when you have sneasler everywhere, strarmie gets screwed over by intimidate and a bad typing and scovillan doesn't have the stats to justify having the ability it has.

[molten oasis]

Me thinks phox a9 gambit sneasler, chomp and kang

[craggy dagger]

that looks pretty good

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it sounds fine

[winter fox]

If it can mega evolve and tank a flash cannon

[rustic mountain]

seems like a solid starting point

[foggy lodge]

only problem would be aegislash lowkey aegislash walls two of your mons lol

[craggy dagger]

it’s a good start

[craggy dagger]

wouldn’t dark type move on kanga help?

[next dust]

And yet all of those mons have either reached champion status or top cut reliably in tours

[next dust]

It's about how you play

[craggy dagger]

also phox covers slash in a double edged sword way

[rustic mountain]

pre mega scrappy u can hit it + sucker, really just walls sneasler

[foggy lodge]

yeah with pre mega you can hit it

sucker is tricky i think cuz they can stall it

[craggy dagger]

oh wait
fighting move on scrappy = super effective on aegis huh…

[molten oasis]

I have a wall and Garchomp tho

[rustic mountain]

its also something u can bring and u dont need to mega it

[foggy lodge]

but its not a big deal anyways

[craggy dagger]

true

[foggy lodge]

I was using low kick double edge sucker fake out

[molten oasis]

Phox?

[rustic mountain]

no kang

[rustic mountain]

def needa mega phox if u bring it lol

[molten oasis]

Ok was gonna say phox no mega sucks lmao

[cyan smelt]

Me too, low kick does so much damage

[tawdry urchin]

Then where are they? Where are the teams? I've seen no one use crab, starmie, tyranitar and scovillan without getting destroyed

[craggy dagger]

oh yeah uh
are you running np phox?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[rustic mountain]

scovillian is used a bit on high ladder, also mega ttar is good u just need a double mega

[forest arrow]

Got my ass destroyed today

[rustic mountain]

starmie and crab are pretty meh tho from my experience

[rustic mountain]

did u learn tho

[forest arrow]

yes

[rustic mountain]

then thats wat matters 🫡

[forest arrow]

Guys if you make a team change

[foggy lodge]

today i saw garchomp 1v4 hard tr in skraw's tournament and he won😭😭😭

[forest arrow]

Don’t change it back last minute

[rustic mountain]

i saw the mega aggron 1v3 joes team lol

[molten oasis]

Do I need tect on kang?

[foggy lodge]

Idt so

[forest arrow]

Nah

[rustic mountain]

need? no

[forest arrow]

Drain punch or low kick

[molten oasis]

Heard

[foggy lodge]

But its fine to have it if you want to

[cyan smelt]

1UK3 why not use mega blastoise, that thing is scary with the right support (tr rain dance farig, sinistcha, gambit)

[next dust]

Tr crab+mr ryme is literally all over the ladder rn. Starmie skill swap was all over the ladder t-tar is a solid backup mega for literally most teams scovillian literally made rank one in the world. I have a friend who is top cutting tours with JOLTEON you just need to stop complaining and learn to build around the weaknesses

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/045feb086596a977

[rustic mountain]

u saw aarons latest vid?

[molten oasis]

How’s this?

[cyan smelt]

Nope i've just heard about it through osmosis lol

[tawdry urchin]

I haven't seen anyone play tr crab but me 😭

[craggy dagger]

so

[foggy lodge]

Mega Lopunny is also good imo i saw it OHKO Froslass in snow i forgot it can do that LMAO

[rustic mountain]

y no max speed delphox? i feel like thats half the reason u run the thing

[craggy dagger]

Wild fucking suggestion but what about clefable

[foggy lodge]

Like its not one of the best megas but it has a niche

[forest arrow]

Had a question about Kanga

[molten oasis]

Oh this is the wrong phox spread oops

[next dust]

Literally fighting it at least 1/10 in u.s. east rn

[rustic mountain]

wtf lmao w/ wat

[forest arrow]

Is inner focus more worth if you don’t have tect

[foggy lodge]

CC

[rustic mountain]

wow

[forest arrow]

There’s two Lopunny teams I seen that are 8-1 and 7-2

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Sooo, on sneasler

[tawdry urchin]

How and why? Trick room is so easy to counter why are people running it?

[molten oasis]

Do I drop fake out for coaching?

Cuz the coaching idea sounds cool

Boost gambit chomp and kang

[foggy lodge]

I think you could drop tect but fake out sneasler delphox leads are also super oppresive

[rustic mountain]

i would say ur usually the faster fake out, scrappy blocks intimidate really shoudltn matter

[next dust]

Because to counter tr you have to bring tr on one of your mons? And burn a turn? Which literally sets up max attack crab? Tr is the most powerful speed control we have

[spiral ridge]

@next stump congrats on run so far Gaw damn

Saw tweet

[rustic mountain]

also scrappy lets u fake out ghost types pre mega

[next stump]

🙏 thank you

[forest arrow]

True

[rustic mountain]

i can fake out ur basc

[spiral ridge]

Ew what

[rustic mountain]

or w/e

[forest arrow]

Dude fr congrats just seen the tweet

[foggy lodge]

i fake out your gengar fuck you

[spiral ridge]

That’s nasty

[next dust]

Every single pokemon sucks in a void. That's why we put them in TEAMS lmao

[next stump]

thank you 😄 4-2 tomorrow and we cut

[foggy lodge]

You can fake out sinistcha to stop tr LOL

[next stump]

i think at least

maybe 3-2

[spiral ridge]

Gl dude

[rustic mountain]

didnt see ur tweet but grats dillon keep it up

[forest arrow]

You got this bro, Gl

[spiral ridge]

I think I would cry

And I wouldn’t even be able to encore it

[cyan smelt]

I feel like a lot of people don't understand what kang can do

[spiral ridge]

No losses

[rustic mountain]

oh wow

[spiral ridge]

Machine

[rustic mountain]

no game losses or set losses? either way insane

[forest arrow]

Bros on fire

[tawdry urchin]

How does Mr rime setting up tr max crab's attack???

[next stump]

no set losses

9-0

[rustic mountain]

wow

[next stump]

three sets went to g3

[spiral ridge]

Idk just said 9-0
I’ve been too busy I didn’t even know Gc was happening 😭

Barely have had enough time to make it to master ball

[cyan smelt]

Gc is next week

[spiral ridge]

Sun team that slowly lost floette cus I needed sinistcha

[rustic mountain]

oh jfc lol

[spiral ridge]

Grand champion

It’s confusing sorry

[rustic mountain]

still dont have a team im 100% on tho mega venu been solid

[spiral ridge]

I’ve liked zard

But I’ve barely had experimenting time

[forest arrow]

Have you seen the Venu sand team

[rustic mountain]

mustve been stressful, nice tho 9-0 is amazing

[spiral ridge]

I wanna try a full floette team and a meganium team

[next stump]

had two crazyyyy end games i wish were recorded

[spiral ridge]

The forbidden 18-0 run

[rustic mountain]

im running venu sand just no exca lol havent seen that team tho

[next dust]

Frost breath into crab sets anger point off giving him max attack instantly

[next stump]

had to stall out my own sand basically, it was weird

[foggy lodge]

congrats dillon the goat🙏

[spiral ridge]

Mfer you made the sandwich

[foggy lodge]

Sand veil chomp? Lol

[forest arrow]

one sec you may have what I’m talking about

[next stump]

no hahaha had like 8HP hydreigon and it would die to sand chip

[spiral ridge]

Ohh lol

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[next stump]

so i had to make some swaps to not have my opponent force hydreigon out too early

[tawdry urchin]

Yes, but I'm preventing trick room from setting up so how's crab supposed to do anything? Also what's it supposed to do against zard Y?

[rustic mountain]

dude ive had that myself haha sand giveth and taketh

but yea like swapping to preserve a mon 1 tick away from dying to sand chip that u set up cuz u need it for the end game or w.e

[next dust]

If your tr is being prevented you're selling

[spiral ridge]

Sand into zard is a really snowball matchup

[rustic mountain]

it is

[spiral ridge]

I just sneasler chomp lead and pray t1 goes well

[next dust]

It literally hammer arms almost any mon to death. BURNED

[spiral ridge]

Which deadass it’s usually
T1 FO d claw
T2 CC EQ sneasler you did your job

[rustic mountain]

🫡

[spiral ridge]

Orrr I lead whims for Sneasler if they also have Sneasler and encore

[molten oasis]

True that’s why I’m hesitant

[rustic mountain]

yep lmfao

[spiral ridge]

It’s CTS BO1 ima be a dickhead eat this encore EQ

[foggy lodge]

im trying our dumb stuff to beat zard y but its funny cuz it works

[molten oasis]

Do I need coaching for kang?

[foggy lodge]

Thank you whirlpool politoed

[molten oasis]

Or can it work fine without

[forest arrow]

You running the earth power venu?

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-politoed-cute-run-gameplay-gif-17664233

[molten oasis]

Cuz I want tect on sneasler tbh

[dense latch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/an-iq-too-high--k01KQ3SCCSBY73PAB0HQ4EX3JHY

[tawdry urchin]

I waste a turn maxing out my attack, how do I set up tr without getting obliterated?

[dense latch]

who needs shadow tag right

[spiral ridge]

This is reason I kinda wanna sash Sneasler but it’s rough

[molten oasis]

A9’s dropping tect for veil so

[spiral ridge]

Herb is so good

[foggy lodge]

Fr

[rustic mountain]

idt coaching is neccesary

[next dust]

You set first?

[rustic mountain]

def cant limit ur protects too much this format imo

[bold geode]

Tree I don't like you rn
You're running that team

[foggy lodge]

Fr

[rustic mountain]

y tho wats wrong w/ it

[bold geode]

Running one of my few bad MUs LOL

[foggy lodge]

Tera lowkey lets you run less protects its weird LOL

[tawdry urchin]

Huh? How?

[dense latch]

im running coaching on sneasler rn and it's pretty fun with scizor

[rustic mountain]

ive played 2 mirrors so far its not common from wat ive seen

[next dust]

https://youtu.be/NrGJHi_t39k?si=D9wgbmps6oNmVusQ

Here watch

[rustic mountain]

that and the item pool

[forest arrow]

I was looking at something like that but Meganium

[rustic mountain]

if we had specs and band

it makes no protect different

[dense latch]

ive had a few games where i use coaching on milotic and just make it unkillable from the physical side alongside coil

[cyan smelt]

I keep lowkey expecting someone to press the tera button when it's a bad MU for them and have to remember there's no tera

[foggy lodge]

Yeah all the teams have to play a bit more defensively cuz we lost items that give you inmediate damage

i need blursa blursa is so cool

Lefties blursa sash blursa

[forest arrow]

You need blursa

[foggy lodge]

You have so many different styles

[forest arrow]

I need Ursa

[rustic mountain]

we do not need ursa

[spiral ridge]

Band outrage chomp coming in to take two lives and die

[forest arrow]

Give me my guy back pls

[foggy lodge]

blursa is cooler tho🥀

[forest arrow]

No

[cyan smelt]

I need Rillaboom, Basc is oppressive

[forest arrow]

Theyre equal don’t do that

[spiral ridge]

Ursas were fun to use

But also scary to face

[dense latch]

watch them bring ursa back and keep flame orb in the vault

[tawdry urchin]

Bruh this isn't even close to what you're talking about.

[foggy lodge]

ok im calling to and end of the bear wars

[rustic mountain]

idm ursas coming back but jus leave em for the future

[forest arrow]

Thank you lol

[spiral ridge]

West vs east coast gay bars

[foggy lodge]

Yeah without flame orb it doesn't do anything LOL

[rustic mountain]

oh right lmao

yea bring regular ursa back rn

[spiral ridge]

Only blursa would be good

[forest arrow]

I’m forcing wisp on two mons

[foggy lodge]

Blursa gets the silk scarf

[forest arrow]

Incin rotom got me

[spiral ridge]

Well yeah wait still no life orb right

[rustic mountain]

scarf wisp rotom to hit ur own ursa

[forest arrow]

scovillan!

[rustic mountain]

yep

[forest arrow]

Lmao

[spiral ridge]

I don’t think you need scarf
Is rotom actually slower than the bear

[dense latch]

or just give it lefties welcome back lele balance

[cyan smelt]

Prankster wisp sableye to burn ursa

[spiral ridge]

Or is this for the love of the game

[rustic mountain]

i just mean to guarantee u get it off in most scenarios

its not optimal at all hahaha

[spiral ridge]

See everyone would just start to fucking hate wisp accuracy even more

[molten oasis]

Bet

[spiral ridge]

Like imagine half your T1 just go down the crapper cus you missed burn

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/edb331c91a956b8b still debating on a9’s set a bit but i think it’s fine

[forest arrow]

Yeah i was joking I wouldn’t really do that lol

[rustic mountain]

yea like i think u need atleast 3 mons on ur team w/ protect rn otherwise repositioning is a nightmare

[molten oasis]

I wish CLOAK WAS LEGAL but whatever

[cyan smelt]

Was watching a game where they led regular zoroark and gliscor and used toxic on their gliscor to proc poison heal

[foggy lodge]

mega Floette inci rilla blursa sneasler

❤️

[spiral ridge]

Even then spread moves softens impact of calling a good protect
But yeah lots of protects

[forest arrow]

Yawn bot blursa engage

[spiral ridge]

I think sinistcha only one on my team rn no protect and I still might change that

[rustic mountain]

cant wait till mega metagross comes in and floette just dies to bullet punch

[spiral ridge]

I barely use life dew

[molten oasis]

I can’t believe it wasn’t legal

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/rocks-scizor-pokemon-pokemon-scizor-rock-tomb-gif-10941870209288418939

[dense latch]

flower veil floette before mega to stop rilla from getting intimidated

[foggy lodge]

AV blursa is also cool but theres no av rn

[dense latch]

the goat

[molten oasis]

They went “let’s give floette fairy aura BUT let’s leave out metagross”

[rustic mountain]

tru mega scizor has been good

[foggy lodge]

It will be so funny when eventually floette's ability actually matters lmao