competitive_discussion

[real prairie]

not casual, but ladder

[shadow wind]

That would be fire

[real prairie]

that would put people off doing it

[shadow wind]

Please Pokémon do this

[lost sun]

there would deffo be people selling smeargle with good moves

[real prairie]

but when you transfer it, they aren't valid

it has to learn them in champions via its only valid move, sketch

and there is no trading in champions

[shadow wind]

I would love to see that but I doubt they’ll do that

[real prairie]

thats the fair balance for it imo

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm gonna adjust my kommo-o spread. The version is gonna be a little bit less offensive (and technically loses 3 points of special defense) but kommo-o gains more health as a result, from 162 to 170. Which I think is pretty valuable.

[real prairie]

if someone ends up with a spore, fake out, wide guard, follow me smeargle, you know they earnt it lol

[shadow wind]

True

Although I would imagine for rental teams it can probably just learn all moves unfortunately

[lost sun]

imagine someone went through all that just for smeargle to get taunted every match

[real prairie]

🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

wow

gravity meowstic and hypnosis milotic is evil

[supple latch]

Gravity Meowstic? Has anyone ever considered using that with Ex-force mega Delphox?

Honestly it’s absurd

I should try it myself

[cerulean nacelle]

he was using expanding force mega alakazam.

The hypnosis milotic was more egregious

[supple latch]

Yeah I know people are considering Mega Alakazam

But at least try it

With Delphox

Probably the one way to actually make Payspam Delphox-mega a thing

[supple latch]

Inaccurate moves under Gravity is nuts

Like who ok’d that?

[next stump]

there was yanmega/sableye/groudon team with a similar gameplan in SV

super annoying to deal with

[oak geode]

Tested the team out twice against Sun Teams

It worked like a charm, Aerodactyl is a menace against Zard teams. Might switch Milotic's item however from Never Melt Ice (Blizzard Spam with Froslass) to Leftovers

[cerulean nacelle]

I JUST RAN INTO SLEEP POWDER COMPOUND EYES VIVILLON LMAO

[supple latch]

Well then

[cerulean nacelle]

The team I went against was more annoying because i didn't actually have a solid out to milotic. Both my sinistcha and kingambit were slower so it just used hypnosis and put us all to sleep.

[supple latch]

I think I’ve seen Wolfe try that in, wasn’t it in his “I entered a tournament with 6 bug type Pokémon” video?

[cerulean nacelle]

though ima be real, im not that fussed about losing to a braindead strat like that. There isn't much you can do against hypnosis milotic anyway. Its always gonna be an issue.

[supple latch]

Yeah, at the end of the day, it’s just a silly old cheese strategy

[cerulean nacelle]

yup

[supple latch]

Now people need to cut the cheese while doing those stuff

Wait no

[cerulean nacelle]

lmao dw i get what ur sayin dude

[supple latch]

Yeah, it took me a few seconds to figure out what I was saying, so that’s why I just went, wait

[cerulean nacelle]

I do love people being too overconfident in their pokemon.

A blastoise shell smashed right in front of my froslass + sinistcha

that blastoise immediately ate a matcha gotcha and i got aurora veil set up for the rest of my team

[supple latch]

Ah yes, the world of competitive, there’s many versions of humans, in this case we have: the overconfident people that lose, the overconfident people that somehow win, and those that are just way too experienced with the game

[cerulean nacelle]

Blastoise is still a very hard match up to win. Don't get me wrong. But the amount of times people just think "oh shell smash is super free here" just to be at like 12% after matcha gotcha is hilarious.

[supple latch]

It is a spectacle to behold

Did you at least win?

[cerulean nacelle]

oh yeah i won. He put all his eggs in 1 basket. Once blastoise and sneasler were down, and id only lost sinistcha, it was just their pelipper and vivillon. I swapped out froslass for kommo-o (honestly not the best mon to bring for it) but the peli protected while vivillon put milotic to sleep. I was able to switch froslass in and with the high special defense of both mega froslass and milotic, the vivillon and pelipper were never able to threaten KOs and the peli was gambling on 70% accurate hurricanes

[leaden fox]

Hm, trying to decide what four "non-Mega mons" to run in my Double Mega team, assuming they work well in tandem with the two Megas 😅

[indigo coral]

And then there's me, someone with over a decade of experience that's just statistical anomaly levels of extremely unlucky

[leaden fox]

Think the four mons I want to go for are: Milotic, Incineroar, Sneasler and Garchomp

[cerulean nacelle]

what are the 2 megas?

[leaden fox]

still deciding out a possible 8

[cerulean nacelle]

different mons work in different ways with different megas. Perhaps look at what mega mons work well together or which you'd like to use

then assess what you need to cover alongside that. You typically can't go wrong with a mon like incin or sneasler and offensive/supportive pieces like chomp and milotic are also good.

But you also don't have tailwind or trickroom so you lack speed control. You haven't got a concrete answer to zard Y sun teams or rain teams yet. Etc Etc.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, that is why atm those four non-Megas are gonna be placeholders for now; once I have decided which Megas I want to use, will be easier

[cerulean nacelle]

your control atm from those 4 mons you described is fake out. Maybe icy wind from milotic but that isn't always a guarantee due to kingambit and other milotic running defiant and competitive meaning icy wind can work against you.

yeah, thats all im saying. Focus on the mega or megas you want. then teambuild.

[wintry valley]

Just came across an instruct torkoal team. My brain hurts

[leaden fox]

I believe if I swap Garchomp for a "Defiant" mon, that may help too; but Milotic fits that slot too

[dry nexus]

hydrapple lowkey slaps wtf

[leaden fox]

I know Hydrapple is a strong mon once Trick Room is out

[dry nexus]

I didn't even use it on a trick room and it crippled mega aerodactyl and ceruledge (by chance)

[leaden fox]

Well then

Though it's bulk is very respectable

[dry nexus]

my only purpose for him is to make sure my will-o-wisp don't miss

and yawn the unburnable

it's ok to assume it's alright if I switch back and forth to eng-jp language right?

I wanna give one of my mon a jp nickname

[leaden fox]

Easier said than done xP

[dry nexus]

I already changed both game and console language to japanese and yet the jp keyboard won't appear

I guess there's no way unless your account itself is japanese

[leaden fox]

Basically yeah

[dry nexus]

I have to start from the beginning to get japanese keyboard

[leaden fox]

Ok, chosen one of my Megas for this new team of mine; Gengar
Now I need to figure out a second mon that works well around that for certain situations; perhaps a physical attacker one

Not going for the whole "Perish" play though

Hm, got three in mind for the other Mega now; one works well for a certain reason; whereas the other two may need some tandem to help

[bold geode]

How we doing today chat

[dry nexus]

these type of crap I'm doing is why my elo is falling hard

[bold geode]

You don't have to for Mega Gengar to be honest

Like sure it's the most popular but like
Have you seen Gengar's movepool, shit is crazy

[leaden fox]

So far so good; working on my new team, likely will show it in a moment and get any thoughts towards it

[bold geode]

Nice

[leaden fox]

Yeah, aware of it's crazy movepool xD

[bold geode]

This team upsets me

[leaden fox]

Never used Mega Gengar (yeah, not joking about that either xD)

[bold geode]

I used Mega Gengar recently

Now I USED Perish Trap stuff but

Yeah I didn't stick with it

[dry nexus]

😭 why tho

[bold geode]

What format before I elaborate

[dry nexus]

doubles

[bold geode]

Ok there's just

Oh Lord

[dry nexus]

it did work 5 out of 7 times I've used it so far

[leaden fox]

That Archuladon would be even more threatening if AV was in the game 💀

[bold geode]

What tier are you

Genuine question

[dry nexus]

Master

1550ish

[bold geode]

IT WORKED THAT HIGH

Man you can get away with anything huh

[dry nexus]

1500 is low master so it should

[bold geode]

Well yeah but still

[dry nexus]

people refuse to switch out a yawned mon out here

[bold geode]

It's crazy that literally works anywhere in a setting where your opponents have at least a shred of competence

Like I'm not tryna be rude just to be clear

[dry nexus]

oh I know my team is bad

[bold geode]

I'm just surprised cuz there is SO MUCH wrong with what I'm looking at

Starting off
Why Mega Sableye?

[dry nexus]

it's a incase dark type lead (mostly kingambit)

it won't really proc sash when it had it before so might as well you know

[bold geode]

Nah I would still just use regular Sableye with a Sash

Better megas than Mega Sableye

What ability it got again

[dry nexus]

magic bounce

[bold geode]

Oh
Actually that reminds me
I should totally make a Mega Clef team for shits and giggles

Anyways second off
Kings Rock Fling Sneasler? Really?

[dry nexus]

sick bait tho

[bold geode]

Would rather see Fake Out and Protect over Fling and Upper Hand on that thing with a different item

I honestly don't know enough about Hydrapple rn to help there cuz I never see it (which might be a sign low-key)

[dry nexus]

it lowers evasion on entry

[bold geode]

Archaludon having Electro Shot without any way to set Rain is a choice

Altaria is a choice and even the Aerodactyl is wrong

[dry nexus]

that altaria was from a proper team

purely to counter weathers

[dry nexus]

I'm ngl tho upper hand had less usage once I got to master

so I might actually change it

[leaden fox]

Ok, my current team build for the coming GC.
What are your thoughts?

[real prairie]

would have gone for a support Gyrados but otherwise it looks fine

also no fake out on Sneasler?

[leaden fox]

Yeah, reason I am going that type of Gyarados is I still get Intimidate and a Ground immunity for a moment

And yeah, was considering "do I want Fake Out or no on Sneasler" too

[real prairie]

makes sense I suppose, bare in mind you are gonna be in a position where you won't be able to bring Gyrados or Incin to most games, far too many Gambit and Milotics in the format

[leaden fox]

Yeah, though since it is CTS in GCs, people will expect Fake Out on Sneasler

If it was OTS in a Bo3, then I'd likely run Fake Out all the more

[cerulean nacelle]

yup, monke go brrrr

[cerulean nacelle]

Im ngl i wanna say that sub on gengar could be useful

[leaden fox]

Hm, I think I need to change out Gyarados

Just done some test matches, not working the way I hoped xD

[dry nexus]

how about aqua breed paldean tauros

[leaden fox]

Trying out Double Megas atm; that was one of them xP

[dry nexus]

ahh icic

[cerulean nacelle]

I do really wanna utilise aqua breed tauros. He seems unique.

I also wanna figure out a good answer to milotic ngl.

[dry nexus]

I had my mega zard x wreck a milotic with thunder punch, but I believe that milotic had no defense investment whatsoever

[leaden fox]

Ok, I've updated it a little now xD

[next stump]

what is thunderbolt gengar hitting that isn’t KO’d in one or two hits with shadow ball?

peli and gyarados are the only two that come to mind and peli is gonna carry sash most of the time and gyarados is niche

[leaden fox]

Yeah, thinking of options for that move slot

Shame it doesn't get Aura Sphere 😅

@next stump Changed it to Icy Wind

[next stump]

icy wind is a good call, it’s gonna help out some of the slower attackers

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I just didn't want to go for the whole "Perish Trap" mode xP

[cerulean nacelle]

icy wind is good as it gives you some form of speed control.

which otherwise youre lacking

I think it may still be good to have fake out on at least sneasler so you can threaten pokemon with fake out. Some people may read that you aren't running fake out if you use throat chop and see a protect.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, agreed there

[leaden fox]

Yeah, still considering all my option atm

Though going bulky + slow Gardevoir was the right choice for Trick Room plays

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah bulky garde for TR is a strong option. Just gotta be careful because you can't block priority except with rage powder redirection.

[mental mason]

https://pokepast.es/57ef2da8ebeeb2e6

Looking at my team and I need a replacement the Rotom-Wash. I don't really use him atm. Feels kinda awkward when I use him.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I'm fully aware of that thankfully

[gentle crag]

djdanny88 has given 1 Gen Rep to diobrando8256

[leaden fox]

Maybe Sinistcha? or if you go Double Mega, may shout out Meganium-Mega

[cerulean nacelle]

bright powder feels like a waste on archaludon. And the speed investment feels weird. Might be better to run bulkier arch with a shuca or chople berry to reduce damage from close combats or ground type moves. Unless youre running scarf arch, speedy arch isnt really useful.

[mental mason]

[cerulean nacelle]

and in that same respect, if you do go bulky arch, change study to stamina.

[leaden fox]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2593049992
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2593041402
Ok, this team is running mainly well

[cerulean nacelle]

purposefully using icy wind into a kingambit is pretty bad, they already had a speed drop against you. I think that was bad play personally.

tbh that milotic set is all kinds of wack. Hydro pump + sub is very strange.

[leaden fox]

You ain't wrong

[cerulean nacelle]

Something you gotta remember is that low ELO is gonna have a lot more random stuff. Doing low ELO matches isn't always gonna mean your team is consistently good.

[leaden fox]

true true, once I get higher, I'll have a better idea, haven't used Showdown since Champions dropped

[bold geode]

So how many people you think gonna watch Prague LOL

[waxen dock]

Me

At least

[mighty stump]

Sturdy + Max Spe Timid + boosting item (Dragon Fang recommended) is honestly the best build right now. Stamina is very much washed. No real comment on Scarf

[cerulean nacelle]

I gotta say I haven't ran into that. But fair enough.

[dark sorrel]

also me

[dark sorrel]

I'm not sure I see the benefit of Sturdy on Archaludon. There's only a handful of pokemon that can one-shot it, so it seems to take chip damage more than ohkos. I can understand stalwart builds over stamina, with the prevalence of sinistcha and the rise of scovillian, but maybe I'm missing something about the sturdy build.

[cerulean nacelle]

I think it's just in case there IS a mon who can. Having sturdy does give you just more overall plays without worry. Though stalwart is also a good ability.

[foggy lodge]

i honestly don't understand stamina sets ngl you can't capitalize from offensive pressure with it because archa doesn't get body press and even with stamina SE hits are 2HKOs anyways

Also special hits can directly one shot Archa in this format like weather ball from Charizard or Moonblast from Floette

[sudden remnant]

you gotta consider almost every team has a sneasler. and also even neutral mega floette hurts arch a LOT

[dark sorrel]

I guess I just wouldn't bring Archaludon into those fights.

Probably explains why rain teams are struggling in this format

I say as a rain team user

[cerulean nacelle]

Arch definitely doesn't like mega floettes 1shot capabilities.

[bold geode]

Just saves you from those moments you do get one shot and lets you not worry about having to invest bulk in a format where you don't really have the right tools such as the Assault Vest available to you to make it work better

Also Stalwart is fine but if they don't bring redirection or don't have redirection then Sturdy potentially gives you an ability more often than Stalwart

Stamina just isn't great cuz you can't be as bulky without the AV, you don't have Body Press that can benefit from the boosts meaning there's no incentive like before to even self proc your own Archaludon (yes people would do this) and Archaludon is already so fat on that side anyways

[leaden fox]

Still making some alterations for my team for the Global Challenge; slowly adjusting for "major situational weaknesses"

[clever root]

Probs final 3 mons would be like
Incineroar
Mega glimmora
Tailwinder (dnite?, talonflame, whim or corv)

I wanna have mega glimm as a fast mode option

Idk if mega glimm is the best mega to pair to beat chesnaught's enemies tho

[leaden fox]

Not easily unless you have speed control

[clever root]

Actually Gyarados Mega and Chesnaught mega might be good

They cover eachothers weaknesses, except for fairy

I might also try sunny day + tailwind whimsicott with mega chandelure, even tho ik that mon is currently doodoo

[late lantern]

Is anyone else getting an error message on Pokemon Champions?

[leaden fox]

Not on it atm; so I wouldn't be able to tell ya 😅
On Showdown working on my new team

[late lantern]

Dang

I literally can’t log in

[lost sun]

or flying

[real prairie]

I'm drunk, should I play champions? Lol

[dark sorrel]

It requires more positioning, and switching in on your opponent to get free defence boosts, so it's trickier than when assault vest was available, but it doesn't seem washed. For Sturdy, if you're surviving Floette's moonblast and running timid, you'd need steel beam to ohko Floette in return I think, so you'd lose Arch to the recoil. As it goes Arch for Floette probably isn't a bad deal, but this feels more niche than planning for redirection.

[leaden fox]

Thoughts on my changes to my team? 😅

[chrome knot]

yeah, on tuesday i took edible and built like 6 teams and played was very fun

[dark sorrel]

like you can't pull this off against Charizard or Delphox, because you'd want to retaliate with electro shot and to get a ohko with that you need rain, and if rain is up, they're not activating sturdy to begin with

[willow gulch]

Any tips on how to know what pokemon to send into battle?

[chrome knot]

look at the opponents team

[real prairie]

Guesstimate what your opponent will do against you and counter that

[bold geode]

1. You could run speed control to outspeed Floette
2. A lot of Floette are actually slower than Timid Arch
3. Having to do all that for an ability that doesn't benefit you as much now is kinda wack

[cerulean nacelle]

Try and predict what your opponent will predict you to lead.

[bold geode]

Sturdy is better insurance than Stalwart and Stamina

[willow gulch]

I guess the problem I have is that when I do predict their move, I don't know how to counter it myself.

[chrome knot]

don’t lean on predictions

just look at their team, how would you in simplest terms break it down

do you have a good type matchup lead that is hard for them to break? can you take speed or weather control to push momentum in your favour?

then think how can i close this game out? this where u can predict a bit, who will my opponent bring, and who can i bring that can close this game out positively or even in a neutral way

for example, I notice my opponent lacks answers for basculegion. Will I lead him? maybe if I wanna flip turn off somebody but this isn’t necessary and I can hold my cards until the very end and reveal that this game is no longer winnable for my opponent as late game basculegion now wins

[dark sorrel]

if Arch outspeeds, and hits with steel beam, Floette would never get a chance to land a hit, so sturdy doesn't activate. And after the recoil of steel beam, sturdy is gone. I guess Sturdy is insurance in that case if steel beam misses, but wouldn't it just be more effective to bring a better floette counter? In that scenario of outspeeding, missing and surviving on 1 hp, the opponent is probably switching out floette on the next turn away.

[bold geode]

I mean you always can but some teams dont really have that counter or they use Archaludon as the counter. Really it's just insurance in general, you can be crit, you can take a surprise attack you weren't expecting
Basically at full HP, you just have insurance in knowing your Archaludon can't ever be one shot from full

It can happen believe it or not

Stamina would be better if the meta didn't have primarily mons like Sneasler that would just two shot it even after the boost or if it had Body Press to actually take advantage of those boosts but it's a bit more awkward without it and like
Tbh Stalwart isn't bad either but that extra bit of survivability to be able to just run Max Special Attack and Max Speed without having to worry about your bulk is pretty valuable

One of those things where like
Yeah maybe rn it's not something you think will help right away but it is the most consistent option RN and like there comes moments where you do appreciate it

Cuz Archaludon imo honestly is just in a weird spot anyways

[dark sorrel]

I can believe it works, sure no problem. I'm constantly amazed at the strategies that players make work, but I struggle to imagine that this is optimal useage of Arch vs leaning into his defence to wall physical attackers, or to counter redirection, since Sinistcha and rage powder are very common.

[lost sun]

who uses steel beam and even then it doesn't ohko floette all the time cus some people have bulky floette

[dark sorrel]

I agree

[bold geode]

I mean Stalwart I can sort of get behind but like

Usually when people want to get rid of Archaludon, they have like Sneasler or Garchomp for example who are very common rn

And when they attack you and proc Stamina, most the time it doesn't matter cuz you're already in range of another attack

The only way you even make it matter is by switching in to a weaker attack which can have a drawback in potentially killing your momentum or by self proccing Stamina which considering you don't have Body Press is just not as valuable and you'd honestly just rather that attack go into something else

[chrome knot]

stamina leftovers is broken dawg

[bold geode]

Dawg what are you cookin

[chrome knot]

the standard archaludon set

keep up

[dense latch]

is it not the most popular arch set or is sturdy more common

[dark sorrel]

I'm pretty sure Garchomp's earthquake is a 2hko for arch. More if you switch in on something like rock slide and get a stamina boost to start with. At max defence with a stamina boost, I don't think Sneasler ohkos either, but you're right, that Arch probably would be close enough to be in danger regardless, so I wouldn't recommend switching in on Sneasler. But in the case of timid, max speed Arch, Sneasler is outspeeding anyway, and close combat will ohko if not for Sturdy. But Arch's best play for an ohko in retaliation would be electro shot, so you'd need rain set up.

Like these just aren't good positions for Archaledon to be in

[bold geode]

Tbf I think the set is boo-boo but like
Hell Archaludon's best set is the set that's not in the fucking game

[dense latch]

usually rain also has incin so if u stack that and stamina you can kinda shut down a good handful of physical attackers

[bold geode]

Yeah
Hell Arch is in a weird spot

[dense latch]

like yea ofc sneasler's gonna do like 90 to it if u take it at face value but that never stopped it before

[bold geode]

Honestly hot take idet Arch is that good rn

Like I cannot remember the last time I was worried about an Archaludon in this game

Hell even on Rain it's not Archaludon I'm worried about, it's the fucking fish

[dense latch]

yea it's not really the big guy anymore

[bold geode]

Hell used to you'd play the fish with Arch

Now it feels like you play Arch with the fish

Crazy what happens when you give the fish an insane revenge kill button

[willow gulch]

Thanks for the advice!

[spark siren]

is the pokemon champions global event reward worth getting (free venusaur)?

[shadow wind]

I just had a revelation

This guy

Has literally used my teams before

Old screen shot but I just found it

Is this what he meant???

[brittle dove]

You really can’t make this up, I lose to Mega Charizard Y with dragon rush. Down to my mega drampa vs their Charizard Y, I am +2 after a few roosts and berserk procs and I lose to a dragon rush crit + flinch. 75% accurate with 20% flinch chance. Putting the switch down for a while after that one lmao

[shadow wind]

Many such cases 😔

[forest arrow]

Bo1 for you

[cerulean nacelle]

Bro had the secret tech.

[sudden remnant]

[chrome knot]

?

[sudden remnant]

its mandjtv

he does “team sky” videos where he only uses flying types/levitate/mons that are visibly flying/floating (and dont forget his mightyena airbud)

[chrome knot]

sure man

[spark siren]

how many pokemon have you all permanently recruited so far?

[bold geode]

Lil under 13 hours before the start of the largest VGC tournament in history

[spark siren]

i might not sign up for the tournament. the venusaur gift isn't worth it

[bold geode]

Oh not that

[chrome knot]

#unregistered

[bold geode]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/69c30ae236f5b5c303dbce1c/details

[bold geode]

Damn 🙁

[chrome knot]

i rly don’t care for vgc rn

[bold geode]

Ok

[chrome knot]

hobby is mcsr rn

[bold geode]

Mario Cart Stinky Racer

[dense latch]

how high did it end up getting

damn 11000

[solid frigate]

Where the fuck does that even come from

[solid frigate]

Almost as big as an GC

[dense latch]

i cant play bc i have class tmr :(

[bold geode]

Just skip class dude

[dense latch]

exam

[solid frigate]

Then why are you still here and not revise tho /j

[dense latch]

lol

[bold geode]

Just fail the class

That ez

[dense latch]

i have been for a few hours just cant focus for too long

[chrome knot]

minecraft speedrunning

[bold geode]

Oh yeah my bad
I forgot stinky racer is when Nova plays MK

[solid frigate]

On which version

[chrome knot]

1 16 1

mcsr ranked

[brittle dove]

I thought battle time out was supposed to end in a draw, they gave me the loss even tho I still had 3 mons left to their 2. My opponent was playing the milotic coil hypnosis strategy but they weren’t able to get much damage off against me which is why time ran out

Any insight here would help

[foggy lodge]

Did your timer run out or the battle timer

[brittle dove]

Battle

I was being quite cautious with my timer, did not want a draw

The last turn that happened was double protect from my side while they life dew with sinsistcha and try to hypnosis me with milotic

[solid frigate]

I miss those times

[sudden remnant]

quite a few

[cyan smelt]

Which ones

[wheat rapids]

I just went on like a 20 game win streak from pokeball to master ball with my team lol

Think I skipped master ball 4 lol

If anyone wants it lmk :) was finally able to play after finishing my shiny hunts lol

[torn fossil]

Im so baaaad

Never thought com would be so fun tho

[cyan smelt]

watching milotic vs milotic feels like dozo vs dozo

[wheat rapids]

Truuue

[supple latch]

Too real

[stuck perch]

Adults and teenagers game lol

[cyan smelt]

has the reduction in PP in champions made u more mindful of which moves u use

[red willow]

Does rotom heat overheat ohko m frosslass outside of veil?

[pearl wind]

yes
32+ SpA Rotom-Heat Overheat vs. 2 HP / 0 SpD Mega Froslass: 210-248 (142.8 - 168.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 SpA Rotom-Heat Overheat vs. 2 HP / 0 SpD Mega Froslass: 152-182 (103.4 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[shadow wind]

Yo I was doing that before I moved, what rank are you

[cyan smelt]

That's hype that ur in adelaide now conner

[shadow wind]

Yuh

[cyan smelt]

Are you bored yet lol

[shadow wind]

Nope

Been working in villages

Spent 4 hours moving cobbles today

Made 80 bucks 🔥🔥🔥

[clever root]

Thoughts

Unsure about my water type

[cyan smelt]

milotic

[chrome knot]

u dont have much for the rock paper scissors meta

[chrome knot]

ive obly been doing priv room runs

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

What’s your pb?

When I started I was placed in coal 2

🔥🔥🔥

[clever root]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-think-thinking-hmm-gif-11570469479394618754

I forgot that creature is now strong as hell

[shadow wind]

But since then I have climbed to Emerald then didn’t have enough time to learn how to do buried treasures and then I moved and couldn’t take my pc with me

So I’m officially an above average Minecraft speedrunner 🏆🏆🏆

[chrome knot]

21:49

[shadow wind]

Honestly that’s completely fine

That would get you a good way through iron

Maybe even gold 2?

And that’s assuming you won’t improve during your runs

[chrome knot]

im grinding practice until i can avg closer to 17

mechanically i can, im just dumb lol

[shadow wind]

Just gotta get the big parts down and everything will optimize itself

Nah that’s so real

Like I’ve been playing Minecraft for like 10 years so mechanically it’s all chill

But bastion routes were a massive headache

Especially stables

Man I hate stables

[chrome knot]

ily housing

[shadow wind]

Housing is probably my favourite

That or bridge

Treasure sucks if you have to go lower or pieray

[chrome knot]

i like rhe names of bridge route they make me laugh

[shadow wind]

And stables is a nightmare

[shadow wind]

Love me cracksmoker

And dk

I never learned soog

I don’t think I’ve ever even done manhunt housing in a run

I always just do top down

[chrome knot]

ngl i obly know top down

[shadow wind]

Manhunt is honestly unneeded

It’s faster but also might not give you all the obi

Cause you don’t check top chests

And then stables has a billion triple to gap routes

[chrome knot]

hi im ttg

[shadow wind]

What’s your favourite seed type

[chrome knot]

shipwreck is fun, i haven’t learnt bt yet but i think when i do ill like it alot

rp makes me rly nervous bc food lmao

and village is like the ultimate neutral it feels

[shadow wind]

Village is easiest but slowest

Temple is my favourite

I love tnt shenanigans

[chrome knot]

fair

temple feels good bc u don’t need beds for blazes

donut moding

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

Also free blocks

And gaps are fun

And using tnt on a failed 1 cycles is epic

[chrome knot]

LOL

[shadow wind]

Or just don’t fail them

Easier said than done

[cyan smelt]

wat r u supposed to do against perish trap

[shadow wind]

Bring pivoting mons or ghost types

[leaden fox]

Hm, after a few tries of the new team I was building, will have to go back to the drawing board xP

[shadow wind]

Or kill Gengar

[leaden fox]

Throat Chop, Ghost types in your team, moves like Flip Turn and Parting Shot, Scrappy Fake Out users, etc

[cyan smelt]

what do you do if they also have politoed

[clever root]

Kill them before they kill you

[cyan smelt]

Politoed is deceptively bulky

[clever root]

Wood hammer that hoe

[supple gulch]

Is there a "best" team builder tool for Champions? Website or Android app

[clever root]

I still wanna try force mega chesnaught

[supple gulch]

Mainly Want to plan out coverage offensively and defensively

[shadow wind]

Pokémon showdown

[cyan smelt]

I use pokebase.app it's pretty comprehensive

[next stump]

least hype regional ever today lol

[bold geode]

Bro less than 1k watching Prague on YT LMAO

[cyan smelt]

what if i put the flying damage reduction berry on sneasler

[next stump]

aerodactyl has unnerve which is one of the biggest flying threats

[next stump]

it's hard to watch hahaha i care so little

[tawdry urchin]

Someone please suggest me a team to play, the game is boring now with mega failinks not in the game, zard Y getting hard countered by a skinny dinosaur and trick room (crabomable) being unusable.

[bold geode]

So real I might watch some before the Skraw tour but yeah LOL

[cyan smelt]

oh damn i forgot about unnerve, nvm then

[leaden fox]

Another option is running mons with "Soundproof" ability too

Which I believe the only mons in the game that get it are: Kommo-o and Abomasnow HA

[shadow wind]

W abomasnow

[cyan smelt]

If you use soundproof abomasnow you miss out on snow warning

[shadow wind]

You die to sludge bomb anyway

Lowkey

[cyan smelt]

So kommo-o is the only viable soundproof user but you die to all the mega floettes and primarinas

[shadow wind]

Many such cases

[forest arrow]

Glhf to everyone in Skraws Tour today

[dapper musk]

Yo can u guys help me? I got into Pokémon champions lately and I’m looking for pvp builds to get better currently I’m using pelipper with focus sash snd archaludon with quick claw and mega feraligatr and hisuian zoroark with choice scarf. I use pelipper to set up rain for archaludon to use elctroshot and make pelipper use tailwind for priority I then use feraligatr to get a boost from the rain and zoroark just in case tailwind doesn’t work and pelipper faints. Reply if you got any better builds that I should use

[dapper musk]

Sorry for the yap btw I really need a new build 😭

[solid frigate]

Feral would not the best mega or Water type attacker to use on a rain team rn,same with Zoroark since there is one mon that can cover on being Ghost and Water(Basculegion Male)

and Archaludon with Quick claw is not great, you usually run Sturdy with some power boosting item since Assault vest and Power Herb are not in the game

Pelipper with Sash is fine and built it as fast as possible

[dapper musk]

Does archaludon have sturdy? And is there any other mega that is good for rain teams or I could just switch up my whole team to smth else

[solid frigate]

Sturdy,Stamina and Stalwart

[waxen dock]

my average gc record is 28-11

which is not good

[dapper musk]

Wait what’s stalwart? And is it good? I’m probably gonna use sturdy instead though

[waxen dock]

i hope i can change that next weekend

[waxen dock]

no follow me

[solid frigate]

Ignores any redirection like Follow Me,Rage Powder

[waxen dock]

against you

[dapper musk]

Ohhhh right that helps a lot against calyrex and indeedee but it’s a bummer that you can’t put those in pkm champs

[solid frigate]

It’s strong against Sinistcha which is still decently popular in the format

And you can run Protect if run Sturdy or Stalwart,something that stamina set in the past does not use

[dapper musk]

I remember when this guy absolutely fried me with matcha gotcha and it kept healing with leftovers

[solid frigate]

Don’t you have Peli to fight Sini

[dapper musk]

Yeah but it only has air slash which only took a quarter of its health

[solid frigate]

Hurricane over air slash

You have rain to help the accuracy problems and 2HKO Sinistcha normally

[dapper musk]

Oh alr I’ll use that instead

[dry nexus]

decided to do a somewhat proper team today, I'm considering changing Blastoise and Hydrapple for something good

[dapper musk]

I do have snorlax and lucario on my team as extras but I stopped using them

[solid frigate]

These are not helpful in rain

So drop them

[dapper musk]

Yeah I stopped using mega lucario because I realised feraligatr is better because of the rain

[solid frigate]

Ironically Mega Lucario is better overall even in rain since Feraligatr has an awkward Speed tier to work with

Mega Dragonite benefits being in rain so recommend using it

And Multiscale allows you to always live one attack in full HP

[dapper musk]

Oh I used that at first but thought it’s hp was bad

[dapper musk]

What does multi scale do?

[solid frigate]

Halves the damage taken when Full HP

[dapper musk]

Ohhhh that’s op

Yk fissure

Will it half that too?

[solid frigate]

Dnite is immune to Fissure anyway

And no it doesn’t work on OHKO moves

[dapper musk]

Oh damn I saw how there was like a vid where they had golurk spam fissure apparently it was an op method or smth bc of an ability

[clever root]

Mega aero works well with mega chesnaught as its secondary slow mode mega

(I wanna make chesnaught work)

[solid frigate]

It’s not as consistent as anyone new to VGC thinks

Especially rain is good against that strat

[dapper musk]

Should I use any Pokémon to replace zoroark since it’s not water type and what if they bring in a grass or electric type how do I counter that

[solid frigate]

Zoroark and Mega Feral basically got covered by one Pokémon

Basculegion Male offers being a ghost type and good swift swim user

[dapper musk]

So I should try dragonite basculegion male archaludon and pelipper

And btw is the stats between male and female basculegion different

[solid frigate]

Good core

Add a backbone support like Incineroar+Sinistcha helps

[solid frigate]

Yeah it matters

Female is a special attacker and way worse overall in VGC

[dapper musk]

What does incineroar do? I’ve seen a bunch of ppl use it but I don’t get why they think it’s good

[dapper musk]

Alr

[solid frigate]

Supportive Pokémon who can provide utility like

Burn (will o wisp)
Damage Control and Flexibility over positioning (Intimidate and Parting shot)
Strong resistances (fire and dark are good defensive typing)

And before Incin gets nerfed it can knock off items using knock off but now it’s gone for now but not that affected

Btw I want to see how you build those mons before you try out the team again just to make sure

[dapper musk]

So should I use basculegion or incineroar

[solid frigate]

Both

[dapper musk]

Alr sure I’ll take a pic of all my Pokémon when I get home

[dapper musk]

But I won’t have enough space

[solid frigate]

Pelipper Archaludon Basculegion incineroar Sinistcha Mega Dragonite

That’s enough for 6 mons

[dapper musk]

Alr I’ll use that but if I only can pick four so what would I do with the other two?

[solid frigate]

Basically those four that you don’t pick are mons that are not favourable in the matchup you are facing

[dapper musk]

Oh alr so like as backup if their team counters mind

Mine*

What items should I use?

[solid frigate]

Kinda,they are not usable if they are not picked in team preview

You only choose 4 that works in the matchup ahead

[dapper musk]

Alr

Thxs for all these tips btw I’m pretty ass at pvp😭💀

[solid frigate]

Pelipper:Focus Sash
Archaludon:any damage boosting item if you are playing sturdy
Dragonite:his mega stone
Sinistcha:Mental Herb
Incineroar:Sitrus Berry or Type Damage Reduction Berries like Shuca Or Chople Berry if you give Sinistcha Sitrus Berry
Basculegion:Mystic Water

[dapper musk]

Alr bet for archaludon is magnet good? And for incineroar sitrus berry

I was thinking abt using sinistcha and shell bell if that works good?

[solid frigate]

It’s fine given all the items Archaludon usually use are like gone

[solid frigate]

It doesn’t help at all

[dapper musk]

How so? Is it bc matcha gotcha doesn’t have a lot of dmg?

[solid frigate]

It’s more like that and Sitrus Berry helps overall survivability in longer term

[dapper musk]

Alr thanks

How do you get sinistcha again btw I forgot which part of that region it was

[solid frigate]

Kitikami in SV or Hyperspace in ZA

Wait is Sini even in ZA I forgot

[dapper musk]

It’s in the sv dlc

[solid frigate]

I usually get Sini in SV anyway so yeah

[dapper musk]

I don’t have za I’m too poor so I probably can’t get it in za

[solid frigate]

Just get it in SV then it’s good enough

[dapper musk]

Alr bet

Btw what moves should I teach them if you don’t mind telling me

[mighty stump]

2300s woo but I completely forgot about the tournament today

[solid frigate]

Did you not register or

Wait Skraw’s or TPCI’s

[mighty stump]

S k ra w s

[solid frigate]

Pelipper: Weather Ball Tailwind Hurricane Wide Guard

Archaludon:Electro Shot,Dragon Pulse,Flash Cannon,Protect(For Sturdy)

Basculegion(Swift Swim): Wave Crash,Last Respects,Aqua Jet,Protect

Dragonite(Mega): Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse,Hurricane,Thunder,Protect

Incineroar:Fake Out,Flare blitz,Throat Chop,Parting Shot

Sinistcha:Matcha Gotcha,Rage Powder,strength Sap,Trick Room or Life Dew

[dapper musk]

Tysm I’ll teach them that when I get home

[gentle crag]

sami1234768 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[mighty stump]

DRACO

DRACO METEOR

[dapper musk]

Wdym?

[tawdry urchin]

Someone please suggest me a team to play, the game is boring now with mega failinks not in the game, zard Y getting hard countered by a skinny dinosaur and trick room (crabomable) being unusable.

[spark siren]

Should i replace icy wind with Coil on Milotic just for hypnosis accuracy?

[dapper musk]

You should use my team I have a rain based team

[dapper musk]

Dm me for the team basics

[dapper musk]

Why not the rain team if you want I can give u a snow team

[tawdry urchin]

no, weather teams are trash

[dapper musk]

They’re not that bad actually charizard y and it’s ability drought is one of the best teams since you can use solar beam with it and destroy opponents

[dapper musk]

Fire type Pokémon and grass types are the main staples in that team that keep it together and incineroar can support

[tawdry urchin]

Charizard Y gets hard countered by a skinny grey dinosaur, You know nothing

[dapper musk]

Skinny grey dinosaur? What’s that

[tawdry urchin]

Larp, this is what I mean. Aerodactyl

[dapper musk]

What’s larp? And I aerodactyl can be countered by electric punch which you ca teach to incineroar

[bold geode]

[tawdry urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/son-im-crine-aaFz1Arg0h5cOwAu2w

[bold geode]

Play a Mega Meganium team

[dapper musk]

Tf u mean it’s a good team

[tawdry urchin]

eh...

[tawdry urchin]

NO ONE IS RUNNING INCIN WITH ELECTRIC PUNCH 😭✌

You must be hard stuck in ultra ball 4 because ain't no way

[dry nexus]

I'd love to run a mono ghost team but the evil and intimidating one piece reference scares me

[dapper musk]

Still can be used for counterplay plus it’s a fire type which is boosted by sunny day and btw are u doing singles or doubles

[tawdry urchin]

Sunny day boosts FIRE type ATTACKS

[dapper musk]

Why r u being rude I’m just trying to help if you don’t wanna appreciate the help why even text in this section at all

[dapper musk]

Yh ik and inc can learn FIRE type attacks

[tawdry urchin]

Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. Either your new or just watched wolfy vgc.

[dapper musk]

I’m not new I’ve been playing Pokémon for three years and btw what’s wolfey vgc

[tawdry urchin]

And you where talking about an electric type move, sunny day boosting incin's fire type attacks is irrelivant

[tawdry urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[dapper musk]

It’s still a counterplay if you wanna get destroyed by aerodactyl be my guest

[dapper musk]

How long have you been playing

[bold geode]

I could give ya one to try

[tawdry urchin]

Since s&s

[bold geode]

But are there any other megas that look interesting

[dapper musk]

What’s s&s

[bold geode]

SwSh

Sword and Shield

[dapper musk]

Same

[bold geode]

Wait you've been playing since SwSh?

[tawdry urchin]

Compare incin stats and aer's and tell my HOW that'll work

[dapper musk]

Yh

[dapper musk]

It doesn’t always matter abt stats

[bold geode]

Ok UK I want you to clarify with me rn
Is that competitive Pokemon since SwSh?

[dapper musk]

And if so then tell me why scraggy was in a tournament

[bold geode]

Scraggy was a niche case

[dapper musk]

Tru I don’t think anyone else is gna use that again

[tawdry urchin]

Ig? idk it's been years and I've mainly used showdown

[bold geode]

Respectfully speaking
I don't see it

[dense latch]

this is such a bad argument lmao this great pokemon has a counter like every other non-insanely busted pokemon therefore it's bad

u just play around it

[tawdry urchin]

Outspead and x4 weak to one of the most popular spread moves btw 🙏

[dapper musk]

Ikr and he tries to pick an argument with me around it when I’m trying to tell him to use incineroar with thunder punch if you wanna get around it

[tawdry urchin]

[bold geode]

Do not use Thunder Punch Incineroar

[dense latch]

ngl he has a point there thunder punch incineroar sucks

[dapper musk]

It’s the only countrr he can do without using an electric type

Since he’s running drought charizard y

[bold geode]

But also there like
Sneasler gets killed by Mega Delphox and Farig, Sneasler must suck too

[dense latch]

you dont really need to hit it for super effective since it's frail enough to get two shot by neutral hits

it's getting two shot regardless bc of sash

[tawdry urchin]

Garchomp learns rock slide...

and its used in every zard y team

[mighty stump]

My oh my what is going on here

[dapper musk]

I thought you only used fire types

Bc drought

[tawdry urchin]

Ok yeah sorry but this is what I mean

[bold geode]

Man I'm here and even I don't wanna know

[dapper musk]

Hell 😭

[tawdry urchin]

You know nothing, I appricate that you're trying to help but you're not

[dapper musk]

Alright then suit yourself but if you get destroyed by the same team don’t blame me

[mighty stump]

What even is the point of this comment

[kindred current]

Anyone got good resources for team building? And deciding who to bring out?
I keep getting my butt kicked with my current set up

[dapper musk]

I thought ultra ball 4 was good ngl

[tawdry urchin]

Larp, he's talking about incin with elecric punch to counter areodactyl in a zard Y team because zard Y teams only run fire type mon because of sun... #competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

sami1234768 (ID 1278774766274220064)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
I thought you only used fire types

Command triggered by 1uk919. Message from · Apr 25, 2026, 4:18 PM

[mighty stump]

VGC pastes spreadsheet, the twitter account collects a bank of teams that you can look at and gain insight from. CybertronVGC is worthwhile watching for the content and for his breakdowns which you can learn concepts of teamd from

[mighty stump]

Okay, and what rank are you?

[tawdry urchin]

Masterball

[mighty stump]

Masterball, what

Theres 4 ranks

Be specific

[dapper musk]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-reverse-smile-ishowspeed-confused-gif-17362243368421867313

[tawdry urchin]

4, I haven't played/ grinded the game in weeks because theres nothing fun to play. #competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

1uk919 (ID 817056763429257236)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Someone please suggest me a team to play, the game is boring now with mega failinks not in the game, zard Y getting hard countered by a skinny dinosaur and trick room (crabomable) being unusable.

Command triggered by 1uk919. Message from · Apr 25, 2026, 3:22 PM

[mighty stump]

Additionally with regards to who to bring, between playing games and sorting out what pairs tend to work well together, understanding what makes a team click can let you infer. a game plan. There are two ways you can play and build around your team and your brings

1. would be to play proactively, having set leads and a gameplan you intend to fulfil regardless of a teams options. This lets you assess specifically what tools the opps have to lock you out of your own plan and therefore reduce the information you need to consider

2. reactive, this may be for balance teams where there is incredible flexibility or reserved for worse matchups. Not ideal, but works in a pinch. You’ll need to be fully aware of what the oppositions tools are and scout safely even in best positions

[lost sun]

how does 1 Pokémon being countered by another make it boring

[mighty stump]

Okay, great. Im Champion. Stop with the attitude towards other players cause your nonsense is everywhere and I’m not having it in this channel. Be polite.

[kindred current]

That's super cool, how long has everyone here been playing?

[dapper musk]

Three years

[mighty stump]

Since SwSh.

[tawdry urchin]

Hard countered*

[dapper musk]

Btw Is there a higher rank than champion? I thought masterball was the highest

[mighty stump]

Nope. Champion is the highest rank. T300

[lost sun]

just bring smth that counters Aerodactyl

[mighty stump]

Atm its like 2300 or sth

[dapper musk]

Oh alr thxs I’m great ball rn but I’m trying to get higher I keep getting hard countered

[gentle crag]

sami1234768 has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[tawdry urchin]

Theres none, It's too fast and runs sash. It allways gets huge value before you can ko it

[dapper musk]

You can use tailwind I guess

[kindred current]

I've been watching vgc content for a while now, tried getting into it myself a couple times. Trying again with champions and got 1700s in master

[lost sun]

don't lead zard into it I use zard y and I don't have a problem with Aerodactyl unless I make mistakes or get unlucky

[next stump]

first time getting to master ball is a great feeling, congrats 😄

[mighty stump]

Usually, anything below Master Ball would be teambuilding error, but I’ve seen some weird crap up high

Not to say teams are bad, more like there are thresholds where a team can hold you back

[dapper musk]

Yeah actually a few hours ago I asked for tips and now I got a better team

[kindred current]

What do yall think about a milotic against aerodactyl? A reflect or aurora veil parter to help?

[dapper musk]

Once there was somebody using maushold and they used tha one move that used it’s attack eight times I think it was unique to itself but since my archaludon had stamina it got raised to max

[mighty stump]

Population Bomb

[dapper musk]

Yeah yeah that one

[kindred current]

I had a situation like that but It was on my rough skin garchomp

[dapper musk]

Oh yeah that cooks them

At the end of the population bomb it only did 2 damage

The last 3 or 2 shots only did 2dmg

[kindred current]

It's a shame the bridge lost body press

I wish I could put my team summary in here, I really wanna get feedback

[ionic shell]

I just had a match against scovillain milotic and we ended up drawing

Unreal gameplay

[next stump]

skraw tour unironically gonna take like 14 hours to finish day 1

lmao

[tawdry urchin]

Maybe? Idk sun/ weather teams are getting boring now get countered easily. I want to play something else yet theres no good/ fun megas in the game

[dry nexus]

my questionable decisions are getting positive reinforcements, investing bulk for my ttar let it live through a solar beam

[chrome knot]

@torn parrot tap into max hp max spatk lefties stamina arch on bunny team

[torn parrot]

Been meaning to make some changes so would be a good test ^^

[chrome knot]

its so good same w/ scarf adapt basc

ive been playing more balancey with rain as second mode or usually as lop as rain setter

[cerulean nacelle]

always do reckless things and just benefit. Simples.

[dapper musk]

Mega tiranitar and aggro are good picks I guess

[tawdry urchin]

good picks for what?

[dapper musk]

Just fun picks they’re sometimes weak sometimes strong it always depends on the opponents team but they’re pretty fun to use and overall can be op because of its stats

[tawdry urchin]

Eh I'd rather not use pysical mons, Tyranitar is a fraud especially with close combat snealer literally being the #1 most used pokemon rn, agron is ok but it's more of the singles mon than a doubles. You also have incin intimidate and burn is a bitch

[dapper musk]

I’m happy they didn’t add cresselia to the game ngl and physical moves can be good but most are ass special moves are more reliable

Cresellia is just a free healing mon and it’s got a lot of hp too so it just spams healing moves

[tawdry urchin]

Cres is only used in trick room teams and trick room is trash so you'll probally never see it

[dapper musk]

I remember using perserker and giving it a low ass speed stat and steel ball so it gets really heavy and it’s speed gets low so that I can use gyro ball and deal a lot of damage with indeedee setting up trick room… let’s just say it didn’t go well

[tawdry urchin]

Perserker? Use Stakataka for that

unless this was in champions

[dapper musk]

No no this was a long time ago in sv pvp

Champions wasn’t released back then

[tawdry urchin]

Ok staka isn't in sv anyways

[narrow lily]

Anyone got a Mega Dragonite team c:? pls

[dapper musk]

Mega dragonite goes well with basically anything I use it with a rain team

[tawdry urchin]

(Just a suggestion it might not work) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UazP1kNKzjM&t=752s

[chrome knot]

ontop of the other stuff ive also been trying black glasses gambit, people having been calcing basc to live chople gambit sucker punch

[dry nexus]

it's fun thinking stuff up myself even if they don't really work most of the time

I always run a different team everyday

[red willow]

You can make basc live a se hit above 70 bp? Lol tmyk ig

[indigo coral]

I uh, would not recommend Wolfe's teams he posted this month. They're all very rushed and kind of just thrown together for content quota. He put Gengarite on Greninja, wondered why he couldn't Mega his Greninja in the Greninja video, and it's still there in the rental and he never noticed

[red willow]

Still I cant stop wanting to hit stuff as hard as possible so its VERY hard for me to justify incidental bulk for calcs and such outside of stuff thats meant to be bulky like milotic and wash

Or the obv max hp mons lol

Also calcs would require that terrifying technology where the smart people pull up the thing where its like "75 percent chance to ohko" or whatever

I just imagine they have one of those black balls they shake and it tells them the calcs

Like the "ask again later" balls lol

[red willow]

I found the rby competetive teams in the nintendo power issue from 1998 the other day if that tells you anything lmao

[leaden fox]

I wish Mega Baxcalibur was in the game atm 😅

[red willow]

I wish glowking was cracked in doubles and chilly reception could pop tf off

Alas he is mid at best

I remember getting it mixed up whether he was good in doubles or singles and going out of my way to get one all trained up then I find out he is not the goat

I wonder what makes him better in singles though honestly

Buddy if one more person blatantly ignores my teambuilding questions in the other discord meant for teambuilding I will genuinely lose my mind

I just wanna know about too many physical mons but I dont want to change core to point of changing team function

Buddy I want to rant about sneasler being oppressive instead of answering a 5 second question

Coooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[cerulean nacelle]

... you good bro?

[red willow]

Naw man

I dont wanna run too many physical mons

[cerulean nacelle]

Well what's ur current composition?

[red willow]

Mega aero mega froslass sneasler garchomp kingambit and milotic

But im worried that milotic and mega fross might mot be enough sp attack

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega froslass, especially max special attack, does do a lot of damage. I wouldn't be too worried about that.

As for milotic, its typically more of a support mon that can punish intimidates.

There isn't much you need to hit super strongly on the special side besides... corviknight maybe? And even then corv isn't mandatory. A rarity tbh.

[red willow]

Alright sold rotom heat

What we cuttin

[cerulean nacelle]

Uhhhhhh... fuckin... im honestly not sure.

Test it out, fuck about and find out ig?

[tawdry urchin]

What do I add to my charizard Y team to hard counter aerodactyl? It hard counters my entire team

[cerulean nacelle]

What's your team currently?

Some things you can consider might be things such as wide guard.

But if we know your team, we can tell you what you can do or adjust.

[tawdry urchin]

Zard Y, venasaur, garchomp, Incinaroar, whimsacott and frigiraf.

[cerulean nacelle]

Garchomp incin should put good pressure on aero.

Does your whimsicott know encore?

[tawdry urchin]

Yes

[cerulean nacelle]

What's the use of farigiraf on this team? Ima also be honest, garchomp only has 1 EQ partner which feels kinda weird.

[tawdry urchin]

Thunderbolt for peliper and imprison for trickroom teams and protect

[cerulean nacelle]

How much do you value incin on the team? Ima be real I could see you cutting it for something like a rotom appliance which would help into rain, could help into aero by providing electroweb or such to lower speed and break sash and would free up your slot on farigiraf so it can run a stab move.

[tawdry urchin]

Every team needs a fake out user?

And it's my only dark type attacker

[cerulean nacelle]

Not necessarily? Also what does dark cover that your other pokemon don't?

Zard Y has a great match up into froslass and your other pokemon such as farigiraf could hit gengar for super effective damage should you teach them psychic or something. Garchomp also hits gengar hard and such. Like... I don't think dark is the be all and end all.

Your farigiraf you also mentioned is anti-TR etc.

Do you really need incin?

If you wanna keep a fake out user, I'd run white herb sneasler.

Faster fake out, better into milotic and gambit etc.

[tawdry urchin]

I mean intimate, parting shot is busted

[cerulean nacelle]

It's good. But also loads of teams have a milotic or gambit.

I use incin but my team is bulkier and slower where I can really utilise parting shot.

[tawdry urchin]

Zard Y hard counters them?

[cerulean nacelle]

It's still something to keep aware of. You can't always keep your zard alive long enough and a gambit in the back can cause problems especially if you give it an extra attack boost.

[dark sorrel]

Also the amount of charizard solar beams I have cut off with a weather changing switch in, i wouldn't rely on that as a milotic counter

[cerulean nacelle]

^

Saying zard is a hard milotic counter is just incorrect. Especially when milotic can also potentially just rob a game with hypnosis, or change your speed control ability with icy wind.

[tawdry urchin]

Milotoc's speed stat is garbage. One solar beam is all it takes

[cerulean nacelle]

Except it isn't? Most are highly invested in special defense. Most can live a solar beam. Not to mention other things we've mentioned that you've ignored us saying.

[tawdry urchin]

Ok so how does getting rid of Incin change that???

[inland loom]

Most zards 3 shot my milotic

[cerulean nacelle]

Incin stops competitive and defiant mons from being more of a threat against you. And sneasler helps provide more damage into things like a bulky milotic.

Even then we've really lost the plot. This whole point was to try and help you against mega aero.

[inland loom]

I love muddy water spamming with bulky milotic

[cerulean nacelle]

Muddy water do be annoying lmao.

Mine is scald + icy wind atm.

The most annoying milotic thing I ran into tho was gravity meowstic + hypnosis milotic.

[inland loom]

Gravity making Delphox be able to properly use expanding force

[cerulean nacelle]

Wasn't even a delphox team. It was just a tech to let milotic use hypnosis better. Maybe to help the mega alakazam land a focus blast from time to time? It was really hard to deal with.

[inland loom]

Damn

[tawdry urchin]

Mega?

[cerulean nacelle]

Sorry I just meant aero

Though mega aero is also a scary mon.

[tawdry urchin]

Meh I kinda want to play a different team anyways, zard Y is just trash

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not, it's good. It's one of the big reasons why aerodactyl became a very used tailwind setter.

[tawdry urchin]

Still it's trash, weather teams are easily counterd and zard has a garbage movepool

[cerulean nacelle]

Ok buddy

[inland loom]

“I hate stuff that’s good”

[tawdry urchin]

"Good" while having a quad weakness to a move that's on every team 🫩🫩🫩

[cerulean nacelle]

Lmao

By that logic, kingambit shouldn't be good because sneasler is on most teams and threatens it's quad weakness.

[indigo coral]

Counterpoint, that move is on every team BECAUSE of Charizard-Y being good. Without that move, most teams lose to Charizard-Y

[dark sorrel]

So far trick room teams are trash, weather teams are trash, the only thing I've seen you like is mega falinks

[tawdry urchin]

And that logic applies? Tf it gonna do against frig and any Pokémon with close combat/ super effective sp attack? 😭🙏

[cerulean nacelle]

Ngl zard is also tied with mega floette for some of the highest spread damage potential as well, which can't be understated. Especially without gimmicky set up like TR blastoise or shell smash toise

[cerulean nacelle]

It's gonna help check scary mons like adaptability scarf basculegion, help be a soft check into mega floette and oh I don't know... those two are genuinely concerning threats.

Not to mention being a good mon to have for going against a TR scenario.

[chrome knot]

0/10 bait why are we interacting

[inland loom]

I’ve heard enough. Tera bug roaring moon go!

[cerulean nacelle]

Because it's funny and I wanna see what lame bullshit he's gonna come up with next.

[cerulean nacelle]

ah I see you know game

still not good enough for my tera normal facade flame orb flareon!

[tawdry urchin]

We're going to ignore the fact I specifically said frigiraf?

[cerulean nacelle]

I think at this point we gonna be ignoring you bro

Hasta la vista!

[inland loom]

Ignore the truth huh? 🤔

[cerulean nacelle]

Nah cuz clearly mega zard Y is trash

Worst mega in existence

Mega audino better than it smh how did we miss this

[indigo coral]

Hi! I see you're new to competitive Pokemon, I have some resources I can recommend if you'd like to learn about what's good, why they are good, and some fundamental skills for competitive. For starters, if you prefer longform videos then Cybertron has several great videos on YouTube about really good teams in this meta. For more shortform content, Jamie Boyt has an ongoing series where he's going over builds for every Pokemon in Champions in National Pokedex order and he's currently at the end of Generation 4. Jamie also has a video guide pinned on his channel on how to make your own EV spreads that's a great resource for beginners. I hope you enjoy your time playing VGC!

[inland loom]

The whole dex is gonna be in champions eventually right?

[indigo coral]

We don't know for certain, but I would assume at least most of the dex will be in at one point or another down the line

[tawdry urchin]

Son 😭 I'm not a new gen 🙏

[cerulean nacelle]

We hope so. I wanna do some mega falinks shenanigans. I saw a really cool concept which basically utilised maushold and sinistcha to keep him alive similar to like "king of the hill" shenanigans.

[inland loom]

In y’all’s opinion what would be the big 6 of champions?

[cerulean nacelle]

If all of em were in?

[inland loom]

Once all the dex us in

Yeah

[cerulean nacelle]

That's hard. And honestly idk. I think farigiraf and the ursalunas would see a lot of play.

[indigo coral]

Mega Rayquaza is probably included, it may be from pre-Switch era but it still holds up today

[cerulean nacelle]

Idk why I fully expect mega rayquaza to get some sort of nerf

gotta push mega zygarde

But yeah in that case, primal kyogres probably gonna cause a load of shenanigans.

[indigo coral]

I can't see Mega Zygarde being good personally. Having to lose specifically 50-99% of your HP in base form without an item before having access to your Mega is a lot harder to pull off than it seems. Even in ZA Ranked Ladder with a new battle system, Zygarde never ran Mega because it was too hard to actually pull off without just dying, Sash and AV saw more usage than Mega Stone

[cerulean nacelle]

It probably won't but like... they also nerfed shadow caly

They're probably gonna nerf the strongest pre switch mega.

In some regard.

[inland loom]

Mega kanga isn’t that good as pre switch right?

[indigo coral]

Wasn't Ice Rider already nerfed going into Champions? I may be misremembering, but I thought Ice Rider got a hit sometime between SwSh and Champions already, so this brings it in line with Ice Rider, and Ice Rider was still good in ScVi

[inland loom]

I stopped playing competitive in oras

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah mega kang got nerfed hard with the loss of power up punch.

[tawdry urchin]

Mega zygarde will probably be trash, zygarde is a physical attacker when mega is a special attacker, quad weak to ice, you have to invest all your ivs into sp attack while 50%'s base sp attack is only 81 🙏

[cerulean nacelle]

I don't remember. But they nerfed astral barrage (a very much needed nerf) so it does show they're thinking about that kinda stuff.

I'm not saying mons like shadow caly isn't gonna be good, it's just gonna be different. It's not gonna hit as hard with it's spread etc.

[inland loom]

ANY mon with a quad weakness is trash. Like shadow rider

[cerulean nacelle]

Man mega aggron is so trash. It's got 2 QUAD WEAKNESSES

[inland loom]

Erm actually

It’s pure steel

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh yeah my bad I'm remembering it as steel rock for some reason

[inland loom]

Base form

[cerulean nacelle]

If I'm delulu enough the rock type just goes away

Thank you schizophrenia!!!

[inland loom]

Yeah it does

Once it megas. Cmon man you’re in a competitive mon discussion. If you’re not on the spectrum enough to remember every type of every mon why are you here.

[cerulean nacelle]

I actually keep forgettin that aggron Lost its rock typing when it mega'd

[inland loom]

Erm. Larper much?

[cerulean nacelle]

So true need to up my tism game ngl

[tawdry urchin]

^

[cerulean nacelle]

Man, garchomp is so bad too. Quad ice weakness really sucks huh

[tawdry urchin]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[cerulean nacelle]

So now I'm gonna utilise both mega camerupt and mega abomasnow!

[cerulean nacelle]

Man this must mean eelektross is actually the best pokemon in the game. No weakness unless some fucker breaks some mold.

[cerulean nacelle]

This is fucking amazing. I love kengan memes.

[bold geode]

The rot here and the lack of braincells I'm seeing is absolutely crazy

[indigo coral]

I didn't want to be the one to say it LOL

I may not be that old but modern Tiktok humor eludes me

[bold geode]

Just saying but like
You ever wonder why it's on every team

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/68a90542c8c4f686 What do I change/ add?

[tawdry urchin]

Because it's a popular mon and has a massive weakness that can be exploited?

[bold geode]

Yeah its a popular Mon that's good so people tend to try and counter it
Same with like Miraidon for example right

But just cuz people are countering a Mon don't mean it's bad

In fact it's kind of the opposite

[tawdry urchin]

When it's something as bad as a quad weakness it kinda is

Like zard Y gets outsped by a skinny grey dinosaur and doesn't even have any moves to damage it enough

[bold geode]

No not really lol

Tyranitar been good for ages and it's quad weak to Fighting

Shadow Rider is amazing and it's quad weak to two types

Lunala won this past Worlds and it's got 2 quad weaknesses

[tawdry urchin]

We didn't have a snealer till now for tyranitar and shadow rider and lunala are only vibale because of tera

[bold geode]

Sneasler best mon in the damn format rn and it got a quad weakness

[tawdry urchin]

1 shadow sneak and it's over

[bold geode]

You realize how many other fighting types can one shot TTar

Also CSR and Lunala won a Worlds title before tera

[tawdry urchin]

Theres no good psycic type attackers lmao, It'll just outspeed and ko them anyways

[bold geode]

How unaware are you genuinely

[tawdry urchin]

Then clearly no one was thinking about hard counters while making their team

[lost sun]

fr it's not like 2025 world's winning team had 4 quad weaknesses

[tawdry urchin]

Frig is the only decent one 🙏 You can allways just switch atp

[bold geode]

Like
You can disprove your own logic rn by just looking at the numbers
The statistics

Farig is there but Garde is also around
Delphox is also good
Hatterene is on some Hard TR comps (which are actually around believe it or not)
Probably some others I'm forgetting tbh

[lost sun]

gallade is usable right

[bold geode]

Maybe?

Idk

It did lose Clam rn

[tawdry urchin]

Deadass haven't seen garde or delphox once yet

[lost sun]

I've seen quite a few

[dapper musk]

Btw what were the new megas added I wasn't here for the legends za release

[lost sun]

I had gardevoir on my team and it was good

[lost sun]

better to search it up since there's quite a few

[dapper musk]

Alr sry

[dark sorrel]

I've been seeing more delphox than Charizard lately

[dapper musk]

I did see froslass as a new one though

[bold geode]

Your MU pulls must be crazy then

Cuz I see them very commonly

[lost sun]

I'm seeing a lot of blastoise recently

[dapper musk]

We can't be deadass eight now

CHIMECO GOT A MEGA

[lost sun]

ye

[dapper musk]

CLEFABLE???

WTFFF

[bold geode]

Brother did you not follow ZA

[tawdry urchin]

I've mainly gone against weather and random bs teams today 😭

[bold geode]

Chimecho was in the DLC trailer

[dapper musk]

Nah I don't have za I'm too poor

Great! They gave darkrai and heatran a mega BUT NOT FLYGON

[bold geode]

Did you not at least see gameplay

[tawdry urchin]

And you're just finding out about the new megas now... No trailers? No nothing?

[bold geode]

It's so funny they actually gave Garchomp another mega and said fuck Flygon

[dapper musk]

FLOETTE?WHY FLOETTE

[lost sun]

a special floette

[bold geode]

Are you just learning about Pokemon today?

[dapper musk]

X? GARCHOMP X? TF YOU MEAN IT ALREADY HAD ENOUGG

[lost sun]

z but ye

[bold geode]

Nah a Z mega

[dapper musk]

Nah I stopped playing it for a whileee

[dapper musk]

Ohh yeah right z

[bold geode]

And somehow Z is worse than the old one LOL

[dapper musk]

WHY?

[lost sun]

we don't know the ability tho

[dapper musk]

We all fucking know that dragalge did NOT need a mega evo

Barely anyone even knew it existed

[tawdry urchin]

Are you tweaking?

[dapper musk]

GRENINJA???? GLIMMORA???? SCOVILLAIN???? WHAT IS THIS

[lost sun]

losing ground type is bad

[dapper musk]

WHO TF ASKED FOR GLIMMORA

[tawdry urchin]

Nah it's good, forget stab it's finally not got a quad weakness 🙏

[dapper musk]

Hold on drampa and megearna kinda cooked with the design

[lost sun]

quad weaknesses very clearly don't matter as much as people think

[kindred current]

Starters having megas feels natural

[dapper musk]

TATSUGIRI?

[kindred current]

Mega tatsugiri is a cutie patootie

[tawdry urchin]

Why? If a Pokémon is popular and has something as bad as a quad weakness then it's just a free ko on any Pokémon with the type move

[dapper musk]

They gave absol and Lucario another mega ofc 😭😭😭😭

[bold geode]

Its not a ground type LOL

[dapper musk]

Tastigiri is pretty cute but I don't get why they'd give it a mega and what's the difference between the mega forms

[lost sun]

my charizard survives rockslides from garchomp 100% of the time unless it's boosted or crits

[dapper musk]

NOOOOO

[lost sun]

no idea yet

[tawdry urchin]

You're lying, theoretically impossible 🙏

[lost sun]

sure

[kindred current]

It makes me wonder how I'd work with dondozo when it gets into champions

[bold geode]

I'm just saying
If you can't figure out to play around said weakness via the teambuilder or your play, that says a lot about you

[tawdry urchin]

How then???

[lost sun]

investing in defence

heavily

[tawdry urchin]

78 base defence... HOW 😭

[dapper musk]

Probably gonna eat the whole thing and turn itself into a mega 💀💀

[bold geode]

Its impressive that someone can know all those numbers and always look at the wrong ones

[indigo coral]

There's no universe it's worse than the old one. Base 151 speed stat is insane and it can still function as a physical attacker perfectly fine. It was extremely good on ZA Ranked Ladder in a format where Mega Rayquaza and the Primals were legal

[lost sun]

what ability did it have

[indigo coral]

...ZA had no abilities

[foggy lodge]

why are we using za as proof of a mon's viability in vgc

[lost sun]

oh yh thought it was on SD for some reason

za comp is not the same as vgc

[lost sun]

252 Atk Garchomp Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 180 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 128-152 (83.6 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO this for jolly but with can survive adamant with more investment

[kindred current]

Anyone have a good app suggestion for pokedex info/ vgc info?

[indigo coral]

Because 151 speed and a great moveset on an already good pokemon, plus it keeps the high physical attack of base form. I repeat, 151 speed stat

[foggy lodge]

until we get the ability all the megas don't exist

nothing matters without their abilities

[indigo coral]

It would literally need Slow Start or Truant to be bad

[tawdry urchin]

Ok this is why I call garchomp a fraud 🙏

[indigo coral]

Even just Mold Breaker or heck, Own Tempo and it's good. I repeat, 151 base speed stat

[lost sun]

no it's just cus rock slide is a weak move especially when there's no stab and it's a spread move

[kindred current]

Are their numbers people use to reference whether a stat is good or not?

[tawdry urchin]

Ig but living against a quad weak attack against a maxed out iv attack garchomp just by investing in defence is crazy

[indigo coral]

There's usually not some magic number that makes a stat good because a lot depends on other things

However, 151 speed with good other stats is ludicrous. For reference, that's more than Flutter Mane (a pokemon with a heavily pushed speed stat that was insane powercreep in its own right)

[lost sun]

might be higher than fluttermane but it's probably gonna continue using speed boosting protosythesis

[tawdry urchin]

Anyone able to help me with this btw please?

[bold geode]

ZA and VGC are two entirely different beasts

And honestly I'd just use base Chomp over them both

[lost sun]

u need a strong physical attacker if u want skill swap starmie

[bold geode]

But for something so frail you gotta be taking big KOs and with you losing Ground stab you may miss more KOs on Steel types for example

[foggy lodge]

Its probably better than the regular mega chomp but i don't want to theorize anything about megas cuz like we don't know the abilities lol

[lost sun]

ye u can also run scarfchomp to outspeed chompz

[foggy lodge]

It has good stats tho the stats are where they have to be but like there's a reason why slaking isn't the best pokemon of vgc

[tawdry urchin]

What steel type would even get ko'ed by a ground type move anyways?

[lost sun]

pretty sure archaladon does if u use lorb

[kindred current]

Self destruct starmie, I've only heard of it in the legends

[bold geode]

I

I think I'm done here for a bit

[tawdry urchin]

Am I wrong? Most steel types have a big base defence stat

[lost sun]

nvm it needs to be no investment for that

[tawdry urchin]

Like who? Something fast with an ice type moves would be nice

[bold geode]

I think we need quiet time guys

[tawdry urchin]

Mb gng 😭🙏

[jade dust]

I hate that I can’t possibly have enough EVs to train Floette to survive physical hits while having enough power to 1 shot cringegambit and fucking sneasler and enough speed to be faster than 100 speed megas

[near crag]

Tried building this to get a good matchup against lunala koraidon (even moreso the flutter korai lead), and csr zam paonite https://pokepast.es/30f8ed8ac6f5c70c Any thoughts?

[inland loom]

What would yall say would be the most ran megas that aren’t zygarde or rayquaza once all pokemon are added?

[jade dust]

Zygarde sucks

[kindred current]

Started my day at 1700 and ending at 1500. Terrible lose streaks

[cerulean nacelle]

Champions ELO or showdown ELO?

[tawdry urchin]

Someone please suggest me a team to play, the game is boring now with mega failinks not in the game, zard Y getting hard countered by a aerodactyl and trick room (crabomable) being unusable.

[cerulean nacelle]

Ok I'll bite. What other megas have you tried?

[tawdry urchin]

Only crabomable and zard Y, both are getting boring to use/ are trash

There's honestly no fun megas to use, nearly all the za megas are just trash

[cerulean nacelle]

Have you tried mega froslass? Blizzard spam galore and pretty unique access to aurora veil is fun.

[tawdry urchin]

Nah, weather teams are easily countered and the current meta resists ice

[cerulean nacelle]

You know you can... run 2 megas right? If you don't wanna put all your eggs in 1 basket you can have mega froslass for useful match ups like against rain where mega froslass can excel quite well and such.

I also wouldn't say weather teams are easily countered. You'll have to engage in weather wars against other weathers but like... unless someone has specifically a tech to change the weather, it's not really easily countered.

[spark siren]

i used mega froslass in doubles and i was able to reach ultra ball tier

[lost sun]

if u want a tr team I see mega blastoise mostly

[cerulean nacelle]

I've used nothing but mega froslass and I'm in master ball 2 lol

[tawdry urchin]

Ultra ball tier is free

[cerulean nacelle]

Either mega toise or mega scovillain. Sometimes both on the same team.

[spark siren]

I agree. Whenever I am up against pelipper rain teams, I lead off with Froslass and Whimsicott. Mega Froslass uses blizzard to weaken Pelipper while Whimsicott finishes it off with a Moonblast. From there, I can safely set up Tailwind

[tawdry urchin]

How is it good against rain? Water resists ice and there's archaladon

[lost sun]

I think mega golurk did good in a tournament recently

[cerulean nacelle]

Pelipper is neutral, archaludon is neutral and has terrible special defense. And dragonite is a staple on rain teams.

You do the math there big guy.

[foggy lodge]

Bascu dies to shadow ball too

[cerulean nacelle]

^

[foggy lodge]

Its good into rain but you have to position it well

Like it does well into it but you can still find ways to lose to it

[tawdry urchin]

Since when does the dragon type get rid of the steel type's Ice resistance??? 😭

[lost sun]

since always

[cerulean nacelle]

🤦

[cerulean nacelle]

Dragon is weak to ice? Steel resists. So paired together, you get an ice neutrality.

[spark siren]

dragon is weak to ice. steel gives ice damage neutral instead of super effective damage

[tawdry urchin]

Didn't know that was how it worked

[foggy lodge]

its lile

A core aspect of the type chart

[cerulean nacelle]

But yeah because my team is more bulky based I'll typically do something like froslass + milotic. I can set up aurora veil and use milotic to break sash on pelipper and slow down the opposition and such.

[cerulean nacelle]

Yup.

See, weather isn't just easily countered and pokemon you think won't do well into certain things actually do a lot better than you realise. Froslass is a pretty unique pokemon for its fast offensive nature and it's variety of sets it can run.

I've seen fast sub, the standard fast blizzard + shadow ball with protect and either aurora veil or t bolt. There's my bulkier set which is specced to outspeed base 102s and then the rest mostly goes into bulk with a bit of special attack etc.

You just gotta try and be a bit creative sometimes.

Or if you don't understand how something works well into a match up, ask why.

[dark sorrel]

Choice scarf Basculegion will outspeed and I think it probably ohkos with wave crash

[foggy lodge]

not witt snow

[cerulean nacelle]

Its not wave crash that froslass needs to worry about lmao.

[foggy lodge]

if it has a last respects boost it does anyways

[indigo coral]

Seconding the "ask why"! The community here is generally pretty friendly and open to answer questions. We all were just starting out in our competitive careers at one point, there's a large amount of knowledge between everyone here. All you have to do is ask!

[cerulean nacelle]

Nah we are all in fact egotistical dickheads

[foggy lodge]

#skillissues

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm ngl I've hit pretty much my limit with my froslass team I feel like and I wanna try something new but I've got very little ideas on what I wanna try. So I may end up asking about with what people have used etc.

Try and find me a team that clicks and maybe does something different than aurora veil plays.

[foggy lodge]

i also want to try something different i don't want to keep using sneasler gambit garchomp bascu😭

Incin is cool tho probably one of my favourite mons even if i see him everywhere

[dark sorrel]

I mean sure but that's the weather war.

[cerulean nacelle]

Ive done some fun gimmicks. Like I have utilised mega camerupt on a TR team to some pretty decent success.

But it's mainly been gimmicks. Which I do like but I need to find a more... consistent gimmick

[foggy lodge]

Im trying to make Politoed work without Gengar

i think im doing fine with it but the team just needs to be tuned

[dark sorrel]

I have a problem that the other teams I'd want to run don't have any megas.

Like not even could mega to trick the opponent into being careful

[cerulean nacelle]

What like... perish trap still?

Or just... forg

[indigo coral]

I would assume they mean on a Rain team. I do like Bulky Politoed myself, forg do be bulky

[tawdry urchin]

Ok then, what do I add/ change? https://pokepast.es/daacc0d689a0d5e8

[cerulean nacelle]

I wouldn't run ninetales on the team. This team would have 4 fire weaknesses. At that point, zard Y is gonna eat you alive.

I'm also personally not the biggest believer of "double blizzard spam" with fridgetom added on.

[tawdry urchin]

Vail? Zard Y is a fraud I can just thunderbolt with rotom ez

[cerulean nacelle]

If you want veil, run it on mega froslass. But your team is aiming to be more offensive anyway so veil is not gonna come up as often as you think.

And sure, change the weather but zard Y will still do stupid amounts of damage with its what... base 159 special attack heat waves?

And once again, zard Y is not a fraud lol. And you still need to be careful about it.

[tawdry urchin]

Forgot frig. https://pokepast.es/f8e471ccf2633997

[dry nexus]

I think he doesn't like zard y guys idk about you

[cerulean nacelle]

Maybe just... but I'm not sure

[indigo coral]

I prefer Balance teams with Froslass myself. Something along the lines of Mega Froslass, Incineroar, Sinistcha, Basculegion, Sylveon, and your tech option of choice

[tawdry urchin]

Can thunderbolt rotom/ frostlass not KO it?

[cerulean nacelle]

It potentially can but zard Y can also be partnered with whimsicott. Zard Y is also the slower mega so if you both mega at the same time, it'll win the mega war and will have sun up.

And a tailwinded zard Y will outspeed that fridge rotom and most likely murder both it and froslass.

[dry nexus]

also it really pains me but alolan ninetales really just isnt good until light clay comes back to the game

[cerulean nacelle]

You gotta be more careful and considerate than just "this does that, gg ez"

[cerulean nacelle]

^

[cerulean nacelle]

I had balance and I had incin, sinistcha and mega froslass with veil lol.

I also currently have milotic, kingambit and kommo-o.

[tawdry urchin]

Then I'll just lead with whim and rotom/ frostlass?

[kindred current]

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