#competitive_discussion
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I’ll get rid of Prima and A-nine. Tailwind is just too good, I can’t not have it
But the question is, what should I replace them with?
Actually no, instead of Prima, I’ll get rid of Whimsicott, I have a better idea for a tailwind Setter
What's the best way to kill milotic
physical moves work better since it's naturally more specially defensive
and do not send incin in against it
who is good teammate for Hydraple in champions, with strong low accuracy moves?
should i run bright powder gliscor but not on sand lol
maybe as an sand teams counter
What’s the best EV spreads for Farigiraf?
i already have low kick kang for ttar but i guess bright powder couldn't hurt
i run hyper cutter though
theres no best EV spread for farigiraf, defensively you can look at what attacks you wanna survive and see how the calc looks for it, otherwise you can just go max max
i like mine a little bit offensive with modest so that im not just sitting around tho
can someone explain why floette + delphox is so strong?
Alright, I believe this should be better. I even built Aero to be one point faster than Sneasler. Even in Tailwind, bro should still be exactly one point faster than Unberden Sneasler
How are you guys doing on champions?
I just hit Great Ball
Nice
I'm kinda hard stuck in Great Ball Rank 2 right now
sorry that i couldnt send mine rn, dont have it on showdown
yours is def bulkier than mine
My giraffe?
ye
Yeah I want it to at least survive some hits.
While at the same time, hit decently well into some Pokémon
ye it'll do that
i think i went modest 20spatk? the second bump
didnt bother w black glasses gambit since you need almost max max for that or colbur berry
Hey it’s fine. I just tried to see what would be enough bulk while at the same time, good offence
This but for me its Ultra 3
This was actually my first time really looking at the nitty gritty specific stats
I'm trying lol
Its def a personal skill issue tho because theres alot im still learning about competive
Like predictions etc
Me too
because they cover one another extremely well, really helps in the team selection
Although I added belibolt to my trickroom team and its been fun😭
I don't think I take enough time to consider what my opponent could do
when i used gengar i dropped just a little bit of speed since i didnt care about a speedtie with other gengar/aerodactyl/jolteon (?), i think i did timid 29 to hit 196, just enough for adamant scarf basc at 195
That said this is one of a select few games that I dont rage at when I lose lol
but those are all minor things
Nah I don't rage until its a EQ Garchomp and a Eartheater Worm dude
It actually pisses me off
i lost my head a little yesterday when i went from reaching 2k back to 1978 😖
but it happens
also learned something, still stinks
I guess I could drop some speed because I will have Tailwind up most of the time
And since I’m not going to click Perish Song, I’m going to replace it for Taunt
i ran perish song so i needed all the bulk i could get 
That makes sense. Con Perish all the way!
Garchomp and Orthworm?
Yup
DID SOMEONE SAY STARMIE?
The goofy goober of death
He is that dude.
Been using starmie, arch, pelipper, sneasler and my days it's fun
That's fair. I'm still using my bulky froslass veil team. It's been pretty good. I'm a little over 1850 ELO in master rank.
It does make me laugh how bad some people play though.
Went against zard venu leading froslass milotic.
I delayed the mega to win the weather war and used icy wind with milotic.
Even with venu and zard using solar beam into milotic, it lived. Got off the icy wind.
I then proceeded to mega evolve with froslass, use blizzard to kill the venu and put the zard in range of a milotic scald killing it. He didn't protect either.
Fair. I just got into Ultra now but gonna take a break and play some Smash Bros
Makes sense. Best of luck!
Thanks ♥️. Don't want to get too immersed. I've got work in a few hours so.
That's fair. It's also easy to get burnt out overthinking, then go on a losing streak because you're just making bad plays.
It's good to step back sometimes.
Exactly
I will say, even with the fact that milotic can live the solar beam combo, i might still strap a grass resist berry on milotic. I've had lefties on it but ima be honest, it's not been needed whatsoever.
how long will it be until there are usage stats on showdown
Not a clue. But there are usage stats on champions so its probably not a priority for them.
And I'd assume thered be very similar stats
Only maybe a bit different for singles since you have 6v6 singles.
i need to know what blastoise usage is
and if sinistchas are running shadow ball
Shadowball is 19% usage
so trick room, rage powder, matcha gotcha and what else?
life dew
blastoise is #32 for usage
water spout, protect, aura sphere and dark pulse as top 4 moves
hmmm idk whether to be worried about it yet or not
also idk why i'm afraid of laddering i should just ladder
kangaroos will fuck your shit up
I thought blastoise would still go for fake out
ig it doesn't need it if it has sinistcha
Is that a scam link, or did you accidentally remove the x from fixupx
If you encore a Prankster Pokemon into a the previous move and that move was an attacking move but this turn they went for a Status move, then it will get the Prankster priority. But now that also means that it won’t hit dark-type Pokemon that turn.
This is definitely unintended behavior
In doubles shadow ball is pretty low usage.
That's cool. It's like how people used to use it on zacian.
You'd click quick attack after using behemoth blade, whimsicott would encore the zacian and then suddenly it's a +1 priority behemoth blade.
well i'm up to nearly 1400 on showdown, 64.3% gxe with this team, the team might be ok?
i feel like playing randbats has helped me be more instinctual with switching
it makes sense
Nawwww not on the spout cheese variants at least
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2586427160-6v9gkkg4apm1280j1eyma7636cmjoxbpw idk why a) this guy was using mega greninja, and b) why he didn't bring ttar
Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between Crvstal_K!tty and Alexander 365! Format: [Gen 9 Champions] VGC 2026 Reg M-A; Date: Apr 17, 2026
I want to get my friend into competetive Pokémon more and he likes the Pokémon absol. Is there a doubles team I can build around mega absol?
@cerulean nacelle hard stuck at 1900s haha
Am thinking of putting in rotom wash for whimsicott
Cause the only team I struggle against are aerodacytl and delphox
Rotom wash gives important coverage there
We love ‘em
can you derank from master ball tier to ultra ball once you reach it? matter of fact can you derank from any tier to a different ball division? in champions
no
emma have u settled on a team yet
currently yes
awesome sauce
its just garde but i sat down and looked at the calculator for like 2 hours
so my headcalcs aren’t garbage bad anymore lmao
what were you struggling with
rain bc i didn’t know garde into arch
and then general speedtiers, did the whole multicalc for my team
just prepped like i would anything bc im tired of being in ultra lmao
ultra is tough to get out of
so im here now wnd its whatever this is the team only change ive made recent was moonblast > tr
Ironically did just lose to delphox aerodactyl lol.
But then beat a mega aggron team so that's fun.
Seems like my team doesn't fair too well against delphox + sneasler ngl.
Half my team is weak to that shit.
My team does pretty well into a lot. But delphox is a real struggle for my team as I have... 3 pokemon weak to fire and kommo-o is weak to psychic/fairy.
Thoughts on swapping out kommo-o for iron def body press goodra hisui
Goodra has all my friends are dead syndrome
Yeah + the flinch with aero is fuckall
The mega camerupt one?
Goodra has fat ass syndrome
He will sit there and eat every hit
And do nothing to ghost types
Flash his cannon
Basc resists
Still tryna really think what I need instead of kommo-o
No the froslass team I have
Could just go gambit
Oooh what elo did you reach
Having mega camerupt is like having landorus back
Rotom frost outspeeding sneasler? Or did it have to be scarfed up for that? Lol
Scarf
We got there with just sneasler left at 3% but damn I was not expecting tanking tbolt to the dome haha
My funniest calc is triple axel from weavile kills sneasler from full
I feel like Weavile is kinda slept on just cause its one of the fastest knock offs in the format
(And the knock off actually hurts)
I did 90% to a shielded aegislash
Fastest fake out in the west
Two VGC tigers having a standoff
incin mirror
I think ive had 3 Gambit mirrors today lol
still not enough to make me give it lowkick 🤣
I'm closing in on 1900s. Pretty content with that ngl.
I just hit master rank with the shoddiest team I built
THE WALL!!!
Congrats dude, that's impressive.
it's so fun thinking how I can counter all the common meta picks, then I ended up with this team built out of duct tape and prayers 😭
Stuff happens haha
Ok I officially have made it to 1900 ELO!
I am master rank 2 babyyyy
Yeah I've seen this team about. Very strong. Aero + floette is an insanely annoying match up.
I was debating what my 2nd mega should be and decided to make aerodactyl
I have used the mega more than I thought
good lord
me when near top 6 usage
I'm shocked how many people don't know Farigiraf's ability, is it that underused in SV?
Trick room is to reverse it or to punish tailwind
I really didn't like SV meta so I didn't even bother playing comp there
How much bulk should aerodactyl have
no theres just an influx of new players who have 0 experience lmao
farig always had very good usage in sv
yeah, someone tried to run slow bulky floette on me, murdered it with iron head and weather ball
usually none, its a sash mon
ain't no way people reaching Ultra Rank 1 without even knowing that or try to search the pokemon on a different screen
yes
new players match into new players and its just a midoff
rinse and repeat and you have many players who are now in masters but stuck 1400-1700
that'll be me in doubles since I refuse to use the meta picks
i can tell
But for mega
I know there are some mega aerodactyl teams
jack once i win against ladder anxiety im shooting for champ tier lmao
What’s your team?
You and me both, I am stuck at 1900 its pissing me off
Champ tier currently at 2200
yikes
Every single game I’ve brought in my snow team I go against TTAR IM GONNA LOSE IT 😭
@spiral zealot i think its time for me to drop decidueye 😔
this is not you wanna see bringing in a full physical team
yayy
I thought she had anxiety cuz she’s new to competitive play
But you’re old to it
I think this is genuinely a match matching thing. When I was playing balance all I fought was balance, when I play rain all I face is weather teams
Emma is an OG
She’s been playing since when then?
She's done regionals for at least a few years
Ah I thought she got into it in SV
That is a few years 🤣
And when I got into it TBF 4 years ago
Near the end of SV I mean
Oh nah, Emma is just smart and takes mental health breaks
She’s very smart for doing that
What legendaries should I get for future VGC
I'm not a pro but Kyogre and / or Shadow Rider Calyrex is my go to
I have both of them
lunala
I already have lunala
I have tornadus incarnate
yeah that's the one
idk how well they'll perform once they are allowed in but I miss using those three
Is this a good singles moveset for Aegislash?
garde tw
Cuties for cutie obvs
She’s too fast to be used in trick room imo
Just had the most brutal RNG in a single turn. Was doing some Singles and had my Serperior with full HP against their Tyranitar on 20%. I went for Leaf Storm, outsped, and missed. They went for Fire Punch that I don't know how they fit it on the moveset, critically hit, and got the burn. Because of the burn, I ended up dying to Sandstorm chip despite Leftovers keeping me alive without the burn.
The heck you mean Gardevoir is too fast for Trick Room? It literally ran Trick Room at Worlds as it's most common set the last time Megas were legal. Speed Creep has gotten so much worse since then with 100 being considered slow, Gardevoir is absolutely Trick Room viable
Mega Gardevoir is 100 speed
Which is too fast for trick room
Good trick room speed is 60 and below tbh
70-90 is terrible speed to have
I wonder how revival blessing is gonna work with megas
Probably revived them in base form
Like you don’t recover your tera
Though tera visually shatters when they faint and megas just play their faint animations and get pulled back
So it's a matter of do they make it work based on concept or practicality
Well in a playthrough, if you use a revive on your mega they return to base
And revival blessing works the same than using the revive item
In what playthrough? Both have not been available at the same time in mainline
Trick Room as primary set in VGC18
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/gardevoir/vgc18/
Jamie Boyt saying Trick Room is the best set on Mega in Champions
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Clearly it's not too fast for Trick Room 🤷
It doesn't not make sense to use trick room
A lot of the mons that threaten it don't run 0 speed sets anyways
And when you already outspeed what's in front of you you can just not click trick room
if you have the right partners it can be fine if you something like incin gambit you can enable them a bit more with it
Yeah mixed team
Maybe I'll try it
Doesn't have to be a team fully reliant on tr does it
It also depends on the speed tier of the meta anyways but its just something you click depending on the match and the boardstate
Mega emboar is so BROKEN 
I've always enjoyed teams that have trick room as an option more than ones that have it as a needed win condition
Hard tr isn't very fun to play because it feels stiff
Yeah 2018
The problem is you’re setting trick room for your enemies’ slower mons
See above, others already explained it well
I uh... kinda doubt that.
It IS a bit quick for it but helps considering like if your opponent has TW up/how fast your opponents mons are/what partners you have
I've seen TR on gardes but they've been using TR imprison on non mega gardevoir sets.
I think as a surprise way to bear hard TR
Also like maybe you can run it a bit bulkier and slower for it?
Yes
I've seen thatsaplusone use TR imprison
It doesn't you fucking dirty liar
mods get rid of his comp helper role
Does Incineroar have Knock Off or U Turn or Snatch
According to this yes
I saw it in Champs and I also know Delphox has it
Also Max I was accidentally running Mystic on Milotic over Leftovers LMAO
Spicy tech wdym.
That scald/muddy water gonna OHKO tyranitar now for real 
I've checked. It doesn't.
I'm checking Floette's moves tonight
Anyways imma try Lefties Milo but real talk I may keep the Mystic 
imprison is funny the thing is that outside of like Floette Charizard and maybe Gengar none of the megas are that common to really be using imprison for the mirror
And two of them doesn't get imprison
Idk if Gengar gets it
I've got lefties on my milotic but ima be real I'm considering using the grass resist berry to help against venu in the sun.
It does
I might also give D Kiss Floette a go
Yeah Gengar gets it
That's the floette variant I haven't run into yet.
I fought a mirror yesterday and they had Floette Incin Sini and they had CM D Kiss and the Floette just never fucking died
I went against a floette team and ngl almost lost because of quick guard talonflame setting me up poorly with my incin lead.
I didn't expect quick guard.
Also I think I click Gleam more than Moonblast
i don't think d kiss is bad but i think it asks you to do a totally different team
Or well not different but Floette needs way more support
I agree. The set up into longevity can be more powerful but moon blast has more immediate power behind it.
Tbh I think it wants a fuckton of support anyways
I'm probably gonna build a mega aero team next anyway. Enough speed EVs to outspeed mega delphox and then fuck it, we ball
I'll probably go sneasler, chomp and washtom.
That way I've got 2 mons for chomp to just spam EQ with.
With mega crab teams I'd always say that glowking is better because you can also set up snow for your own crab.
But honestly farigiraf is just the best TR setter atm.
slowking can get flinched
but not taunted
slowking pribably fits better on my team though
The main benefit of a slowking is the snow it can set for crab. I'm not saying you have to run it. Farigiraf is very good.
is galar or kanto slowking better atm
Tbh that's for you to decide and what your team needs. Glowking has more resistances and technically a better defensive profile but is weak to ground which is awkward.
However besides fake out which you can accommodate for, sneasler can't really touch galarian slowking.
i already got aegislash and sinistcha tho so i dont really need a counter for sneasler
im also not sure if i should replace aegislash with kingambit only reason. i have aegislash is bc of floette
That's once again up to you. Kingambit is more like a soft check to floette anyway because it's actually neutral to fairy. Meaning that if you take some chip, a moon blast can potentially kill you.
Sucker Punch being counted as priority by Armor Tail needs to be studied
study complete
WOOOO!
won my last match to get into masterball
had to not get flinched by rockslide to win
think you might need to be studied 🤣
Helloing
ooh goodbye
Ive seen people do that
I prefer the giraffe personally but well
It can work
damn rock slide flinches a lot today
the move itself was always a priority
Just do both lmao
both good typings
weewoooo in the finals
hopping on pokemon champions like "boy i cant wait to play against sneasler and incineroar for the next few hours"
wish me luck!
Who the undefeated guy?
me
@cerulean nacelle rotom Wash is actually a crazy good fit it seems
Oh shyt
I can now sash the venus
And wash is great into dactyl and pelipper
waow
thanks! ^^
lop yay
rain nay
<@&663761167176433665> I can't post pictures guys
May I know the reason?
not leveled up enough i think
my lopunny has RAIN DANCE
rain stibks…..
I removed the lvl1 role, you should be able to post pictures now
stinky…….
I fought a Mega Lopunny yesterday in Champions
Like you...
won a game to get into ultra 1 bc my garde traced multiscale lmaoooo
woo gl gl
@torn parrot congrats on winning and dropping 0 games in tc
its like ur some sort of…
…pokemon champion
i won hehhhh
lopunnyyy hehe
9-0 lopunny
2-0 through top cut lopunny
broughtg lopunny every single game
Oh, someone else discovered Rain Dance Lopunny. Neat
THE TECHHH
damn right i did
Was holding onto that for a tournament myself, need to brew some new spice now
Why does it get that lmao
Gen 4 and before learnsets get dummy coverage for no reason
Same reason Nidoking gets Bubblebeam
Ah, anyway
had to use the decidueye team again to go back to 2k 😤
good job
i was literally thinking about a glimmora team last night 'cause i was like, i feel like setting toxic spikes before megaing would be cool, but then i was like nah im too singles brained lol
then wolfey releases a vid of mega glimmora with the same reasoning, + 5 of my all time fav mons 💀
nice lol
who are YOU 
Yay @torn parrot is back and killing it
If anyone wants to have a go with a mega Camerupt team:
Why wouldn't sneasler just use fake out lol
I have a team if anybody wants to use it
That’s not the point lol

Welcome to the climb!
took longer than i wanted
ladder anxiety sucks lmao winning wasn’t even the hard part
This team is unironically actually really good 🤣
Here if you ever need to just shoot the shit with someone whilst you play as a distraction
no bc then im not fully focused on my decision making
This is valid
Ironically I work better with a distraction lol ADHD things 🤣
too much noise makes me freak out
I'll scratch off "go clubbing with Emma after EUIC next year" from the to do list then
yeah im an indoor cat oops
i always get added to all the popular player twitter groupchats for post day 1 hangouts but i
never go😭
i also meant too much noise while i trying to think abt vgc not in general
Haha I know was teasing
Hahaha valid
im stuck in champions ultra ball 2 and I cant escape
play for yourself predicting is useless bc u can’t predict stupid
I'm uninstalling this game
All I needed was to hit one more Throat Chop to kill this Mega Froslass and of course Blizzard freezes me. I'm done for today, I can't lmao.
Facts
i was stuck in ultra until this
I might take some inspiration. I've got an idea to do mega aero + chomp, sneasler and washtom.
It's working so far in Ultra surprisingly
I'm just stuck on the last mons ngl. I don't doubt the power of mega aero + chomp lol.
Main thing for me is I gotta vibe with a team to play well. Otherwise I'll just play terribly.
what are you running over flare blitz?
Protect
unless you're running perish trap that's not really worth it
I get why upper hand don't work vs priority status moves but it still sucks they did that
incin doesnt need it
Incin doesn't need protect unless it's working under perish trap, I agree.
Main moveset is flare blitz, darkest lariat/throat chop, parting shot and fake out.
Does anyone think mega bax could get sharpness?
Cause why would dragon claw become a slicing move? Who does that benefit?
I don’t think a single sharpness mon gets dragon claw
I mean ig maybe they’d give it to one of them when they come to champions but idk
there's a pretty big number of sharpness boosted moves that no sharpness mon gets
Mega Garchomp Z?
almost the same as the number of boosted moves sharpness mons do get actually
would be cool but wouldnt think that much of it
yea big ass sword and all
Maybe they could even give it like one or two more because all it has is dragon claw and aerial
If it does get sharpness though that would render flavor rush obsolete
Glaive*
Lmaoo flavor rush
now that im out of the gimmick tier and will be in real matches, would returning to floette > gardevoir be stronger overall
@real prairie
Probably tbh
But then you are just running the same balance as everyone else, uniqueness can give you an edge in bo1
yup big advantage of playing off-meta mons is that other players wont be able to predict your leads/most likely moves as easily
its why ive been having fun occasionally being able to do double clangorous soul kommo-o then psych up with mega froslass
the difference is ill just outplay them lmao
for double omni boosts on both my mons
Valid
I got got by cc aegislash and came back from it rly grossly lmao
was like 5 turns all correct in a row
bc like sure the team is telegraphed but
im not the same person as anyone else running the same team
Love the self confidence
i get lot of praise from friends who are in champ tier and it inspires me to always improve on the critical thinking aspect of the game
Serious like why is this winning games, I made it as a joke
Dude is champions a gacha game
what tier u at rn?
And what mons can i transfer in
placed there ngl lol
wdym placed?
ah ok
bc i came in with an 8 win streak
im at 1500 cause i kept fking around with gimmick teams trying to make em work
so i lost a lot XD
Can't wait for you to overtake me by the morning lol
Well I mean with the team I currently have it on, it's more lenient towards support than hyper offense.
Uhhh, is completing my first pvp match with just one Pokemon good
Did you win?
Yes
youre safe until tuesday, gf is visiting tmrw
No Pokémon champions n chill?
narr she don’t play vgc
Same gf? 🤔 Could have sworn you both played
ohh if you’re thinking of kat we broke up in feb
Whoops
fuuuuu- just thought of another gimmick i can try, which means im probably going to lose alot again XD
yeah im thinking about switching teams 😔 yesterday was really rough
Flower time
I was put at either 1800 or 1790
lol noob
That'll do for the night, big push for champions tier tomorrow
Camerupt actually goated lol
Mega camerupt is goated. Just isn't realised yet.
I went into a ranked match accidentally with mega camerupt TR. Still won the game.
I'm using it in ranked ATM, doing well apart from when they deny me TR
Lost 1 to a taunt maus, lost another to a dark pulse flinch
This game wants me to lose. Everything that shouldn't happen happens when I'm close to winning.
you needa get off till tmrw
ur just playing tilted wnd its handing you of course moments
me when I miss triple axel twice in a row
someone made a website for vgc stuff and it was all ai generated
Getting frozen for one match and then getting my whole team will-o-wisped the next,and then missing a Matcha Gatcha the next causing me to lose momentum and then lose the match. This game hates me.
Was it factual?
Well that’s rough
Then yeah I understand the hate lol. If you are gonna use AI use it constructively and accurately, don't use it to spread false bollocks
any generative ai is garbage
Invite her to play vgc 
i mean shes interested
mhm
Do you go by Emma as well?
no im bad
I remember seeing someone named Emma years ago on stream but then was someone else
yea there were some very blatant errors
ai generated mon images and gambit was apparently a rock type
It was all complete and utter lies 😔
They were like “this team won worlds!”
Meanwhile worlds wasn’t even the same format as the made up team they showed
All the teams were lies and ai generated
Did you break your loss streak?
And what was your team?
ive been using the agniVGC mega glimm/decidueye-h team
and i lost all 5 games i played yesterday
i did win one today with farig imprison shenanigans tho
Tyranitar was a dragon type apparently too
lmfao
Hey, was just wondering what fun + strong single battle strats anyone might be using.
Dw bro I have that, fun was in the request
Ohhh
Not just sneasler slop
Also, doesn't anyone who has champions at this point have the free dragonite?
I dont see anyone using it
Why not?
No clue, idk why they dont use it
What’s the whole team? I haven’t seen it before
https://vxtwitter.com/agnivgc/status/2042079838346080562
https://pokepast.es/fbef06931d2e689b
Replica Code: 2MEP9XXRGM
its been fun to use but glimmora and decidueye just aren't as amazing as they would need to be for this team to go truly crazy style
when they're good they're really good though
What did lum berry do?
And I’m assuming deci is a trick room attacker here
Never thought this channel would be so lively
Lum berry can heal a Pokemon who cosume it once.
It's about Pokemon Champion rank battle for climb up to Master Rank 1. Should I run a Fire-type team or a mixed of type for offensive and hazard team?
Heals status or HP?
Status
Status
Heal status.
Status
Also if you need heal berry, then go for Stirus Berry. Do not go for Oran Berry because it only heals 10 HP. That's not worth.
How to increase box space?
Pokemon Champions? Level up your Pokeball tier to Great tier then Ultra tier and go on. Just rank up hard.
Oh, I haven't been grinding so I only have 40
Thanks tho!
Anyone have a FUN single battles team?
I get its a comp game but still
Run trick room on a bad attack and slow speed mon
Alright
Someone screwed me over with it
I think Dragon Steel Fairy is at the strongest rn
Though you can never go wrong with FWG
Dark Psychic Fighting is meh
people like to burn garchomp which is why it has a lum berry (or if they have sleep powder i guess)
also no on decidueye, the team doesn't use trick room
if you have tailwind up, everything on the team is faster than anything your opponent can have (unless they also get tailwind)
32 speed decidueye inside tailwind is 224 speed which is 2 points higher than 32 speed timid mega alakazam (which is the fastest pokemon in the game currently)
the trick room on farig is only to deny or reverse enemy trick room
whats the like worst team though, like all anti-synergy and stuff lol
Hello if I transfer a pokemon with pokerus in champions and back to its original game does the pokerus disappear?
Ah interesting, burn with mega Scovillan?
Lol
Actually let me tell you of a funny play I did today since you mentioned imprison Farig @spiral zealot
So I was against a trick room team and I let Floette and Sinistcha. They lead sneasler and farig. I protect Floette and trick room. They attacked with both into my protect. Next turn I expected them to switch sneasler out so I calm mind and reverse trick room
They swap both into torkoal and golurk in as I calm mind and trick room
They got mega baited

mark my words
when kyogre is legal meganium will be a world champion
Actually tweaking
I’ve been in limbo hell on ladder. I have 1986 points rn and I keep getting 1999 then go back to 1986
Hey so how do I check my win lost ratio
who thought it was a good idea that matches ends in draw even if you have more pokemon than the opponent
That’s terrifying
Tinkaton stonks rising
Lol someone tried that team earlier for a while and said it's the most Mickey Mouse team to get the Champions rank
Is it really time for the Tinkaton rebellion?
ye
weather ball god tier any disagreements?
What do you mean victreebel doesn't learn leech seed
Does it learn rage powder
Nope
It's hard to justify using it
Leech seed could make it interesting with it being able to constantly fight to keep hp high to keep a threatening innards out
Gastro acid might be fun since so many mons rely on their abilities
How to win in Pokémon champions without legends za
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i tried something with meganium but that didnt really work for me
what are you thinking of switching decidueye for?
i was wondering if the glimm team might honestly do well with a second mega
since glimmora does have those bad matchups you wouldn't wanna bring it to
i just ditched the entire team LOL
like maybe swap Decidueye out for Hawlucha or Emboar or Gallade or something, and have that backup Mega
I coulda sworn there was a new chat for rental codes for champions
what are you running now? or are you still shopping around
something with meganium but that didnt work for me at all so i went back to deci/glimm and went 3-0 to 2k elo again
so im kinda stuck like yesterday
matchup wise froslass sounds good, you get the ground fellas out of the way + the psychic weakness if you had trouble with that
i was thinking about trying mega delphox personally
like as a whole new team setup
just cuz i like the design and it seems strong
i mean yeah go for it
do you wanna keep anything from the team that you like?
honestly i really liked how the talonflame played
like having the option of priority between tailwind or brave bird
and i might try to find something else that runs high crit rate because triple arrows felt like a crazy good move just being held back by being on decidueye
hahaha poor decidueye
i do like talon a lot, i probably need to go for brave bird > dual wingbeat cuz i never hit that move
no way its 90% accurate
yeah i really dont like using non 100% moves
like im 1/5 for hits vs opposing sneasler
what about no item acrobatics
I was just about to mention that
im just a brave bird fan since talonflame isn't sticking around for more than 1-2 turns anyway so why not hit hard
or i just brave bird + self KO if im going tailwind anyway
yeah
i think you can scratch the crit idea if its without decidueye
yeah i think gallade gets a lot of those high crit "blade" moves
oooh aegislash does too
i like dual wingbeat for sash breaking
tbh though i do run both brave bird and DW
theres also h-samurott with aqua cutter/night slash if you wanna keep crittin
could go priority last + protect
i need another coffee
what are your thoughts on this team
its still very offensive and has the priority tailwind but it doesn't have any crazy bad type weaknesses
youve got a bit of an aerodactyl weakness
seeing pokepaste in light mode feels wrong
is triple axel + iron head + blastoise not enough
Big fan of ice beam and/or aura sphere on m stoise personally
if they have any way of blocking blastoise fake out it does end up being a bit of a problem
sorry i am a light mode fan 
The stoise doesnt have fake out afaict
i dont see how aerodactyl is a huge problem when i have prankster tailwind and multiple super effective moves into it
Yeah its not for m stoise at least once you outspeed it
Im on shell smash tho so not sure what the threshhold is
id say it seems good enough to at least go out and test it
Full sp def full hp invested rotom wash legit feels like the only thing that gives my team problems atm whats a good mon into it?
I would guess a physical attacking grass mon?
We meowscarading this mf?
Lmao
whats your team look like?
Archaludon is good into it
sinistcha should be doing decent dmg to it tbh
Helping hand spout at +2 in the rain ohkos still
also how attached are you to sneasler?
could swap him out for lightning rod raichu as your fake out user instead
Interesting idea but Im not sure if its necessarily common enough to warrant getting rid of my main ttar gambit mega meganium floette etc killer lol
sorry was out with merlin
he's nice into other mons (particularly archaludon)
i typically run mine with fake out, electroweb, fake tears and then your choice of either helping hand or protect
how important is your clefable?
or better yet, who were you considering swapping out for meowscarada?
Clefable is honestly flext slot
But the extra redirection has been real good
Its surprisingly bulky with max investments too
are you running rage powder on sinistcha? it should be able to just redirect rotom till you can kill it
since neither water or electric do a ton to him
Big question is why wouldn't you run rage powder on sinistcha
idk thats why im checking
Its already on that fam lol
I seem to have cracked the code on my team thank god
Revisiting my standard rain team instead of my blastoise cheese for a sec
Mega meganium > Dnite if Im on arch already is what Im thinking?
broke 2000k with calm mind heatproof sinistcha and sableye. i love this game so much
**❤️ 2 👁️ 49 **
that looks interesting ngl
I also want to run the matcha with murderous intent
You just got off of champions?
I think I verses you lol
@bold geode i like floette more i just ohko’d gambit with light of ruin
So is mega floette just better mega meganium? Lol
Prolly should just grind it out in za
I assume the dgleam hurts way worse
not a comparison
these are 2 different people
I mean yeah one gets zolarbeem I guess but its slower than dogwater
Can u derank tiers in champions
I hit master ball and im wondering if i have a risk of deranking
Archaludon and Sneasler tear Mega Floette apart
But to answer, both of them are very different
Mega floette is probably closer to a better mega gardevoir no?
good thing every floette teams have answers for both
Not in the teams i've played
Anyway can anyone answer this?
I just played floette, starmie, talonflame and sneasler
Not if the floette has little speed and isnt under something like tailwind or tr
32+ SpA Archaludon Flash Cannon vs. 29 HP / 0 SpD Mega Floette: 104-126 (58.4 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
ur also not gonna be 32 modest
And i also never said it was archaludon who killed floette
Stop jumping to conclusions.
i played majority of games into rain and it is not a threat into floette im gonna be so honest
and its always the same pick 4 lmao
crazy that showdown ladder is up to 1700s
After much deliberation I have come to the conclusion I would rather take a toaster bath than complete 15 infinite za royale battles on plza lol
I am trying to throw people raging bolt and calyrex and arceus and stuff now instead of doing the battles LMAO
I really really REALLY did not enjoy that game if you cant tell
Oh Ive beat the game
Im at heatran or something
In the dlc but I cant be bothered with the game mechanics
I just really do not enjoy any aspect of the game whatsoever and would rather trade a legit rare mon I have aquired for a legit one than aquire it myself
i just won a game and went from rank 3 to 4
then floette is easily obtainable i don’t see the issue
No its not
I refuse to do 15 of those battles
Which require like 10 mini battles a piece
Thats like.... 150 battles?
Hell no
10 is generous
Im never lucky at the bonus cards fr
They give me trash
So i do max battles basically
literally an hour at most
is that even possible to do in 1 hour
Naw
It said 3 hours expected and there is absolutely no way I am playing that game for that long
Someome can have a very lovely arceus or bolt lmao
if you’re that against it don’t use floette or plan around it idk
I intend to
people would have to be dumb asf to give a real one away😭
some people do
.....? For a raging bolt or arceus?
usually u got to trade a shiny tho
Like those are two of the rarest mons ever and mine are legit
Oh I have plenty of meta relevant shinies too
no these are really easy to get mons
I think you are overestimating how many people play this stuff to completion lol
alot…?
gugghhhhjj unlocking raging bolt is the same amount of time as 15 za nights
I will just trade for good mons
don't u need to wait for an event for RB and complete la Pokédex for arceus
Yeah like who tf is doin all that
no? raging bolt is dlc2 paradox
how do u get it without the event
Except the person I traded the arceus from with the pic for proof lol
talk to perin…?
shes in dlc2 after u catch ursa bloodmoon lol
the “event” paradox are iron leaves & walking wake lmao
you underestimate how many people play the games to completion and will just do it again lmfao
bc ur lazy doesn’t mean everyone is
I'd happily do it if it was enjoyable
Im not lazy there is just no motivation to "100%" a casual game if my only intent is competetive battling....?
But okay cool lol
getting floette is not a 100% completion
If you have fun collecting all the unviable poopy that fills up boxes and serves no purpose more power to you I just have no sentiment for the games themselves lol they exist as a strategic outlet to jam lol
Well then you prolly get where Im coming from
Except the fact Im not willing to spend 3 hours in za for floette
i find the games fun so i don’t rly get where u come from
i don’t see it as this slogfest of timewaste like i got music on and im talking to friends while i just have stuff to get done
i hunted a 0spe urshifu in a beast ball for a friends naic team
ive strength sap & min iv kirlia hunted both 0atk csr & 0spe cir in love balls lol the games are just fun to get through
See that would be annoying to me to catch a mon in a ball with a low catch rate
right thats where we differ, i had to encounter like 50 kubfu
to either watch it struggle to death or have incorrect stats
And that sounds god awful
But if you can distract yourself thru it more power to you lol
i was watching friends ladder and prep for naic so it was helpful to me still
Im not good at multitasking
i prep weirdly for vgc, the way i learn my matchups is by watching others problem solve
So I cant really hold a convo and play a game at the same time so the gameplay has to be hella engaging
and critique all the actions to find the best option between the both of us
I feel ya
I just have really bad add and cant take meddies for it for reasons haha
So I have to zone in on one thing real good for awhile at a time
right
ohh like unable to get anything prescribed or?
for what i have there is nothing so its a pain in the ass💀
Well uhhhhh not sure I should just throw this out there in a random disco convo but wth lol
I take a monthly injection for schizophrenia and they dont think having me on 2 plus meddies rn is for the best haha
But hey
I dont make hats outta alluminum foil now so we have improved from where we were a few years ago
Lmfaooooo
oooohhhh
I think the craziest part about it all is people assume schizophrenic people are inherently violent
And negative stereotypes like all that
So like I just keep it under wraps and work my 9 to 5 haha
But in all honesty my injection makes me almost function normally albeit the add stuff so thats nice
Needles do indeed suck in general
But if it keeps me outta the looney bin I gotta do what I gotta do lmao
thats fair😭
(The state hospitals around me are nightmare fuel)
I was on a 13 game winstreak with blastoise cheese, switched to standard rain and went on a 4 loss streak fml lol
the lesson is don't change what's working
that thing is jacked
Sharpedo is kinda awkward to use in doubles.
Weak to sneaslers CC. An unburden sneasler is still gonna be quicker than a +1 speed mega sharpedo.
It can be intimidated. Which is never good for a mon that's just about outputting damage.
And you're predictable. Very predictable. You know most likely if you see a sharpedo they're gonna protect turn 1 to allow themselves a +1 speed boost.
Also it's crunch is hella strong but it's water stab by comparison really isn't.
it doesn't seem to hit very hard
and doesn't really have great biting moves either
is mega slowbro any good?
i've seen mega slowbro do a little well on trick room teams
I'm glad the flower works for you
i mastr now
I sure hope Floette feels better in a BO3 environment
probably will idk
Does anyone know how the master ball rank numbers work like your rating is 1500 or so
master 4 is any
master 3 is 1800
master 2 is 1900
master 1 is 2000
champ is top 300
Mkay
Idk if the crit mattered
I haven't seen anyone mention mega chandelure
Is it like not good
I kinda want to use a bulky one next to screens/veil
With speed control and option to trick room it sounds nice
Its pretty slow. My timid gengar one shots 9/10 times
Modest guarantees OHKO with no hp or defense investment.
I haven't seen it survive enough past a shadow ball to see if it does anything
Why does everyone give sneasler white herb instead of focus sash?
Close combat
Or if it runs into intimidate, it automatically gets its attack restored, and now its speed is doubled
Look at these stats bruh 😭😭😭 a def and sp Def drop isn't going to make a difference https://pokemondb.net/pokedex/sneasler
Yeah, im aware. It just depends on what format youre running it in
White herb has the opportunity to proc on turn 0 making it faster than practically everything
Ig? Very situational
Not really. Incineroar is one of the most popular Pokémon ever
Unburden max speed sneasler is only outsped by max speed choice scarf dragapult outside of tailwind
Intimidate is a very popular ability due to the sheer amount of physical attackers in the meta
Alright then, tysm
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Realized I did calc on this wrong, unburden max speed sneasler is faster than max speed scarf pult
I mean it’s no harm, could be under-explored. It’s just typing wise it can also be tough considering how Zard Y is the poster boy for the meta atm and how everything tried to fight Fire.
Incin, Ttar, Kingambit, already make life sorta hell for it
and a slower mon is just susceptible to more issues than sth faster
That sounds like a pretty biased calc
Modest vs 0 bulk
Seems underexplored even for a mega that struggles
I see people playing around with stuff like victreebel and scovillain
The ability is also really mid rn
Because like the only screens rn is i guess froslass or ninetales
https://pokepast.es/377651fa4cab2042 What changes should I make and what should the 6th pokemon be? I'm getting my friend into vgc and his favourite pokemon is absol so I want to build a team around it
Should I teach Mega Gallade Ice Punch or Knock Off?
- It can clear Intimidate once from Incineroar which is actually very useful
- Negates the CC drops once
- Which is honestly most important, both of these consume the item which activates Unburden making Sneasler twice as fast
The Intimidate one also matters too cuz like
If the Incineroar isn't carrying a Chople berry, the White Herb clearing Intimidate puts Incineroar back in range of CC
i think i fixed my tr team can anyone take a look
Ah allright tysm, are you able to help me with this please? #competitive_discussion message
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https://pokepast.es/377651fa4cab2042 What changes should I make and what should the 6th pokemon be? I'm getting my friend into vgc and his favourite pokemon is absol so I want to build a team around it
1uk919 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke
Ok so uh
I need you to verify
At one moment it was Crabominable Hard TR and now it's Mega Absol, what are we playing
Oh the message says it lol
Just read dumbass
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Real talk, how committed are they to Absol 
I mean they don't know a whole lot about meta teams and what offence mon are meta rn so I'd say committed
abosol X would be so much better to use but ofc it;s not in the game yet
I mean
Idk we're not working with much here LOL
Um let's see
I normally wouldn't recommend going thru with this, but if they're really committed
Aegislash could give Wide Guard and also help more with Floette which is a HUGE issue
Also idk if I'd do Whimsicott, kinda fall over to Sun
Maybe Sash Aerodactyl?
I'll just say what I've built around for it so far, ninetails for vail because absol is frail, sneasler for zard y, mega floette and the team's fake out user, frig to stop trickroom, priority and 1 shot peliper and whim for support and speed control
WE all you, including YOU
No one can help me out?
Ey?
Yeah I think Aero could do the Whims thing and the Farig thing all except stop Trick Room
That could work, anything else like items and movesets?
I'd say replace Farig but idk with what so it could stay for now
Aero is always Protect TW Rock Slide Dual Wingbeat
What you need
Jolly or adamant?
Jolly for Aero
Always Jolly
You hit 200 with max speed that way so you're just faster than the things you need to be faster than
Private battle for the mission
Allright, what should the 6th mon be, what item do I give ninetails because soft clay isn't in the game yet and is there any moves I should change? https://pokepast.es/823fa29ab38da74e
Better asking at #1046572041421197352
Uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I guess a Never Melt Ice?
D Gleam isn't great on A9 I'd do like Moonblast or Encore
And with Aero and A9 you can probably drop Rock Slide for Protect on Sneasler now
Trying both, just wanted to see if ever
Thanks anyways
Basculegion maybe? Idk if we need an offence or defence mon
Seriously the moves and mons I'm losing to today are hilarious
Possibly
Or actually
Wait
What do you mean scarf vanilux
Ok that idea isn't great
What was it?
Have U Turn on Absol
But it don't got it
Could've done like
Primarina as the last that way so you have a decent Tailroom mon
U turn for what?
Why would I use up a move slot to switch out for?
So you could U Turn and set up speed control on the same turn
Basically how Miraidon Volt Switches for example
Ah allright
Real question is do we need a support or offence coverage mon? We allready have 2 offence, 2 supports and aeo is both
With Metal Coat
Probably need Aegi for another Floette guy
And WG could block Heat Wave from Zard
As for EVs I'd just do max HP max Atk with 2 EVs somewhere other than speed and I'd go Brave
Allright, tysm for the help!
1uk919 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke
Um
102 cool i cna outspeed it
What format are you building under
nat dex doubles
Trying nasty plot sinistcha in casual battles
Haven't gotten to click nasty plot safely even once
Maybe this ain't it
Sinistcha + metal sound klefki tho is kinda heat
Unkillable green fluid fellow because it heals so much
fake tears 
They took away fake tears and left us with the 85 accuracy option for some reason
I guess fake tears klefki was too strong for champions
And you're building this to be used in Champions?
possibly they didnt want a mega floette to havr a fake tears mon with it
Yes, just using showdown to make and send him the team link
Showdown has reg ma why are you using nat dex
https://pokemondb.net/pokedex/aegislash Unless it learns it now in shampions it normally can't
There's still other options
Leaving it with metal sound but removing fake tears from it is weird
one is accurate one is not
reg what?
idk its tpci why do they do anything
There is an option for Champions Reg M-A
Switch to that
M-A
I kinda just wanna use zoom lens klefki just to stop missing twave and metal sound
M-A
Man when are they adding safety goggles back
What
I want goggles so bad
when are they adding covert cloak back
Ah ok, tysm!
Why are they adding goggles back
Man I can't read
I just want to not play a guessing game on which of my pokemon is getting sleep powdered by venu
Anyways
What I also would do is see what other megas they like as well
Cuz like
We made something for them with Absol but keep in mind it's Absol so
If it doesn't work out for them we may also want other options
Allright I'll ask
hopefully absol z saves it cuz man they fucked up its og megas stats
Meh
what was with gen 3 and mixed attackers
