#competitive_discussion

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cyan smelt
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get rid of 2 fairy types

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supple latch
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But the question is, what should I replace them with?

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Actually no, instead of Prima, I’ll get rid of Whimsicott, I have a better idea for a tailwind Setter

zinc edge
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What's the best way to kill milotic

pearl wind
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physical moves work better since it's naturally more specially defensive

cyan smelt
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and do not send incin in against it

hasty cloud
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who is good teammate for Hydraple in champions, with strong low accuracy moves?

cyan smelt
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should i run bright powder gliscor but not on sand lol

hasty cloud
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maybe as an sand teams counter

supple latch
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What’s the best EV spreads for Farigiraf?

cyan smelt
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i already have low kick kang for ttar but i guess bright powder couldn't hurt

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i run hyper cutter though

pearl wind
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i like mine a little bit offensive with modest so that im not just sitting around tho

brave phoenix
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can someone explain why floette + delphox is so strong?

supple latch
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Alright, I believe this should be better. I even built Aero to be one point faster than Sneasler. Even in Tailwind, bro should still be exactly one point faster than Unberden Sneasler

vocal plume
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How are you guys doing on champions?

supple latch
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I just hit Great Ball

vocal plume
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I'm kinda hard stuck in Great Ball Rank 2 right now

pearl wind
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yours is def bulkier than mine

supple latch
pearl wind
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ye

supple latch
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Yeah I want it to at least survive some hits.

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While at the same time, hit decently well into some Pokémon

pearl wind
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i think i went modest 20spatk? the second bump

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didnt bother w black glasses gambit since you need almost max max for that or colbur berry

supple latch
rare drift
supple latch
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This was actually my first time really looking at the nitty gritty specific stats

vocal plume
rare drift
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Its def a personal skill issue tho because theres alot im still learning about competive

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Like predictions etc

pearl wind
rare drift
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Although I added belibolt to my trickroom team and its been fun😭

vocal plume
pearl wind
vocal plume
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That said this is one of a select few games that I dont rage at when I lose lol

pearl wind
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but those are all minor things

rare drift
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Nah I don't rage until its a EQ Garchomp and a Eartheater Worm dude

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It actually pisses me off

pearl wind
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i lost my head a little yesterday when i went from reaching 2k back to 1978 😖

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but it happens shrug also learned something, still stinks

supple latch
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And since I’m not going to click Perish Song, I’m going to replace it for Taunt

pearl wind
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i ran perish song so i needed all the bulk i could get oopsie

supple latch
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That makes sense. Con Perish all the way!

vocal plume
rare drift
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Yup

vocal plume
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Fair

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I'm running starmie, sneasler, dnite, pelipper, archaludon and basc rn

cerulean nacelle
vocal plume
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Absolute unit

cerulean nacelle
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He is that dude.

vocal plume
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Been using starmie, arch, pelipper, sneasler and my days it's fun

cerulean nacelle
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That's fair. I'm still using my bulky froslass veil team. It's been pretty good. I'm a little over 1850 ELO in master rank.

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It does make me laugh how bad some people play though.

Went against zard venu leading froslass milotic.

I delayed the mega to win the weather war and used icy wind with milotic.

Even with venu and zard using solar beam into milotic, it lived. Got off the icy wind.

I then proceeded to mega evolve with froslass, use blizzard to kill the venu and put the zard in range of a milotic scald killing it. He didn't protect either.

vocal plume
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Fair. I just got into Ultra now but gonna take a break and play some Smash Bros

cerulean nacelle
vocal plume
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Thanks ♥️. Don't want to get too immersed. I've got work in a few hours so.

cerulean nacelle
vocal plume
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Exactly

cerulean nacelle
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I will say, even with the fact that milotic can live the solar beam combo, i might still strap a grass resist berry on milotic. I've had lefties on it but ima be honest, it's not been needed whatsoever.

cyan smelt
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how long will it be until there are usage stats on showdown

cerulean nacelle
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And I'd assume thered be very similar stats

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Only maybe a bit different for singles since you have 6v6 singles.

cyan smelt
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i need to know what blastoise usage is

cyan smelt
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and if sinistchas are running shadow ball

real prairie
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Shadowball is 19% usage

cyan smelt
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so trick room, rage powder, matcha gotcha and what else?

real prairie
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life dew

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blastoise is #32 for usage

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water spout, protect, aura sphere and dark pulse as top 4 moves

cyan smelt
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hmmm idk whether to be worried about it yet or not

cyan smelt
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also idk why i'm afraid of laddering i should just ladder

shadow wind
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Yo these guys are fire

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W Australia

cyan smelt
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kangaroos will fuck your shit up

strong anchor
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I thought blastoise would still go for fake out

cyan smelt
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ig it doesn't need it if it has sinistcha

indigo coral
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This is definitely unintended behavior

cerulean nacelle
cerulean nacelle
cyan smelt
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well i'm up to nearly 1400 on showdown, 64.3% gxe with this team, the team might be ok?

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i feel like playing randbats has helped me be more instinctual with switching

waxen dock
red willow
weak lichen
cyan smelt
weak lichen
red willow
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Are you trying to rick roll me sir

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Or whatever the kids do these days

tawdry urchin
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I want to get my friend into competetive Pokémon more and he likes the Pokémon absol. Is there a doubles team I can build around mega absol?

ripe grail
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@cerulean nacelle hard stuck at 1900s haha

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Am thinking of putting in rotom wash for whimsicott

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Cause the only team I struggle against are aerodacytl and delphox

Rotom wash gives important coverage there

supple latch
brave phoenix
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can you derank from master ball tier to ultra ball once you reach it? matter of fact can you derank from any tier to a different ball division? in champions

chrome knot
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no

cyan smelt
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emma have u settled on a team yet

chrome knot
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currently yes

cyan smelt
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awesome sauce

chrome knot
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its just garde but i sat down and looked at the calculator for like 2 hours

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so my headcalcs aren’t garbage bad anymore lmao

cyan smelt
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what were you struggling with

chrome knot
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rain bc i didn’t know garde into arch

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and then general speedtiers, did the whole multicalc for my team

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just prepped like i would anything bc im tired of being in ultra lmao

cyan smelt
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ultra is tough to get out of

chrome knot
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so im here now wnd its whatever this is the team only change ive made recent was moonblast > tr

cerulean nacelle
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But then beat a mega aggron team so that's fun.

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Seems like my team doesn't fair too well against delphox + sneasler ngl.

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Half my team is weak to that shit.

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My team does pretty well into a lot. But delphox is a real struggle for my team as I have... 3 pokemon weak to fire and kommo-o is weak to psychic/fairy.

clever root
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Thoughts on swapping out kommo-o for iron def body press goodra hisui

cyan smelt
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Goodra has all my friends are dead syndrome

ripe grail
clever root
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He will sit there and eat every hit

cyan smelt
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And do nothing to ghost types

clever root
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Flash his cannon

cyan smelt
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Basc resists

clever root
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Still tryna really think what I need instead of kommo-o

cerulean nacelle
clever root
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Could just go gambit

ripe grail
cyan smelt
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Having mega camerupt is like having landorus back

red willow
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Rotom frost outspeeding sneasler? Or did it have to be scarfed up for that? Lol

clever root
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Scarf

red willow
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We got there with just sneasler left at 3% but damn I was not expecting tanking tbolt to the dome haha

clever root
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My funniest calc is triple axel from weavile kills sneasler from full

red willow
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I feel like Weavile is kinda slept on just cause its one of the fastest knock offs in the format

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(And the knock off actually hurts)

clever root
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I did 90% to a shielded aegislash

cyan smelt
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Fastest fake out in the west

spark siren
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Two VGC tigers having a standoff

waxen dock
real prairie
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I think ive had 3 Gambit mirrors today lol

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still not enough to make me give it lowkick 🤣

cerulean nacelle
dry nexus
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I just hit master rank with the shoddiest team I built

cerulean nacelle
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Congrats dude, that's impressive.

dry nexus
cerulean nacelle
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Ok I officially have made it to 1900 ELO!

I am master rank 2 babyyyy

jade dust
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I got a 9 win streak with this team

cerulean nacelle
# jade dust

Yeah I've seen this team about. Very strong. Aero + floette is an insanely annoying match up.

jade dust
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I have used the mega more than I thought

chrome knot
real prairie
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think i played you earlier

jade dust
real prairie
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no then lol

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must have been a similar team

chrome knot
dry nexus
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I'm shocked how many people don't know Farigiraf's ability, is it that underused in SV?

jade dust
dry nexus
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I really didn't like SV meta so I didn't even bother playing comp there

jade dust
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How much bulk should aerodactyl have

chrome knot
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farig always had very good usage in sv

real prairie
real prairie
dry nexus
chrome knot
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yes

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new players match into new players and its just a midoff

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rinse and repeat and you have many players who are now in masters but stuck 1400-1700

dry nexus
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that'll be me in doubles since I refuse to use the meta picks

chrome knot
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i can tell

jade dust
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I know there are some mega aerodactyl teams

chrome knot
real prairie
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Champ tier currently at 2200

dry nexus
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yikes

bronze quarry
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Every single game I’ve brought in my snow team I go against TTAR IM GONNA LOSE IT 😭

pearl wind
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@spiral zealot i think its time for me to drop decidueye 😔

dry nexus
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this is not you wanna see bringing in a full physical team

jade dust
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But you’re old to it

real prairie
real prairie
jade dust
real prairie
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She's done regionals for at least a few years

jade dust
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Ah I thought she got into it in SV

real prairie
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And when I got into it TBF 4 years ago

jade dust
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Near the end of SV I mean

real prairie
jade dust
novel fjord
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What legendaries should I get for future VGC

dry nexus
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I'm not a pro but Kyogre and / or Shadow Rider Calyrex is my go to

novel fjord
pearl wind
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lunala

novel fjord
dry nexus
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those two hard carried me in gen 8

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along with prankster tornadus

novel fjord
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I have tornadus incarnate

dry nexus
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yeah that's the one

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idk how well they'll perform once they are allowed in but I miss using those three

spark siren
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Is this a good singles moveset for Aegislash?

chrome knot
real prairie
jade dust
chrome knot
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yeah i dont have tr

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im hyper voice moonblast psychic

indigo coral
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Just had the most brutal RNG in a single turn. Was doing some Singles and had my Serperior with full HP against their Tyranitar on 20%. I went for Leaf Storm, outsped, and missed. They went for Fire Punch that I don't know how they fit it on the moveset, critically hit, and got the burn. Because of the burn, I ended up dying to Sandstorm chip despite Leftovers keeping me alive without the burn.

indigo coral
# jade dust She’s too fast to be used in trick room imo

The heck you mean Gardevoir is too fast for Trick Room? It literally ran Trick Room at Worlds as it's most common set the last time Megas were legal. Speed Creep has gotten so much worse since then with 100 being considered slow, Gardevoir is absolutely Trick Room viable

jade dust
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Which is too fast for trick room

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Good trick room speed is 60 and below tbh

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70-90 is terrible speed to have

polar canyon
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I wonder how revival blessing is gonna work with megas

jade dust
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Like you don’t recover your tera

polar canyon
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Though tera visually shatters when they faint and megas just play their faint animations and get pulled back

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So it's a matter of do they make it work based on concept or practicality

jade dust
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And revival blessing works the same than using the revive item

polar canyon
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In what playthrough? Both have not been available at the same time in mainline

indigo coral
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Clearly it's not too fast for Trick Room 🤷

polar canyon
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It doesn't not make sense to use trick room

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A lot of the mons that threaten it don't run 0 speed sets anyways

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And when you already outspeed what's in front of you you can just not click trick room

foggy lodge
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if you have the right partners it can be fine if you something like incin gambit you can enable them a bit more with it

polar canyon
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Yeah mixed team

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Maybe I'll try it

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Doesn't have to be a team fully reliant on tr does it

foggy lodge
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It also depends on the speed tier of the meta anyways but its just something you click depending on the match and the boardstate

left bobcat
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Mega emboar is so BROKEN poliwhirlkek

polar canyon
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I've always enjoyed teams that have trick room as an option more than ones that have it as a needed win condition

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Hard tr isn't very fun to play because it feels stiff

jade dust
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The problem is you’re setting trick room for your enemies’ slower mons

indigo coral
cerulean nacelle
bold geode
cerulean nacelle
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I've seen TR on gardes but they've been using TR imprison on non mega gardevoir sets.

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I think as a surprise way to bear hard TR

foggy lodge
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I think Wolfey used imprison Garde

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Does Mega Floette get imprison

bold geode
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Also like maybe you can run it a bit bulkier and slower for it?

bold geode
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cerulean nacelle
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I've seen thatsaplusone use TR imprison

foggy lodge
bold geode
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I know I saw Imprison in Floette's movepool in Champions

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Then again like

foggy lodge
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mods get rid of his comp helper role

tiny karmaBOT
bold geode
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Does Incineroar have Knock Off or U Turn or Snatch

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According to this yes

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I saw it in Champs and I also know Delphox has it

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Also Max I was accidentally running Mystic on Milotic over Leftovers LMAO

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cerulean nacelle
foggy lodge
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no it doesn't get imprison

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I just checked the movepool on champions

cerulean nacelle
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I've checked. It doesn't.

bold geode
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I'm checking Floette's moves tonight

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Anyways imma try Lefties Milo but real talk I may keep the Mystic KEKW

foggy lodge
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imprison is funny the thing is that outside of like Floette Charizard and maybe Gengar none of the megas are that common to really be using imprison for the mirror

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And two of them doesn't get imprison

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Idk if Gengar gets it

cerulean nacelle
pallid hare
bold geode
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I might also give D Kiss Floette a go

foggy lodge
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Yeah Gengar gets it

cerulean nacelle
bold geode
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I fought a mirror yesterday and they had Floette Incin Sini and they had CM D Kiss and the Floette just never fucking died

cerulean nacelle
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I went against a floette team and ngl almost lost because of quick guard talonflame setting me up poorly with my incin lead.

I didn't expect quick guard.

bold geode
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Also I think I click Gleam more than Moonblast

foggy lodge
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i don't think d kiss is bad but i think it asks you to do a totally different team

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Or well not different but Floette needs way more support

cerulean nacelle
bold geode
cerulean nacelle
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I'm probably gonna build a mega aero team next anyway. Enough speed EVs to outspeed mega delphox and then fuck it, we ball

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I'll probably go sneasler, chomp and washtom.

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That way I've got 2 mons for chomp to just spam EQ with.

grand spire
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if i do my team is weak to sun now

cerulean nacelle
grand spire
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slowking can get flinched

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but not taunted

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slowking pribably fits better on my team though

cerulean nacelle
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The main benefit of a slowking is the snow it can set for crab. I'm not saying you have to run it. Farigiraf is very good.

grand spire
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is galar or kanto slowking better atm

cerulean nacelle
# grand spire is galar or kanto slowking better atm

Tbh that's for you to decide and what your team needs. Glowking has more resistances and technically a better defensive profile but is weak to ground which is awkward.

However besides fake out which you can accommodate for, sneasler can't really touch galarian slowking.

grand spire
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i already got aegislash and sinistcha tho so i dont really need a counter for sneasler

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im also not sure if i should replace aegislash with kingambit only reason. i have aegislash is bc of floette

cerulean nacelle
dull ibex
winter fox
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Sucker Punch being counted as priority by Armor Tail needs to be studied

chrome knot
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??

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it is a +1 priority move

pearl wind
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study complete

noble hatch
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WOOOO!

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won my last match to get into masterball

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had to not get flinched by rockslide to win

wheat rapids
bold geode
chrome knot
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ooh goodbye

bold geode
pearl wind
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damn rock slide flinches a lot today

keen quiver
keen quiver
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both good typings

bold geode
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Nah

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I mean you can but like
Team probably lacks more damage then

torn parrot
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weewoooo in the finals

stuck perch
torn parrot
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wish me luck!

stuck perch
torn parrot
ripe grail
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@cerulean nacelle rotom Wash is actually a crazy good fit it seems

stuck perch
ripe grail
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I can now sash the venus
And wash is great into dactyl and pelipper

chrome knot
torn parrot
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thanks! ^^

chrome knot
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lop yay
rain nay

ripe grail
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<@&663761167176433665> I can't post pictures guys
May I know the reason?

dense latch
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not leveled up enough i think

chrome knot
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rejoined server

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so you still have lvl1 role

torn parrot
chrome knot
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rain stibks…..

thick current
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I removed the lvl1 role, you should be able to post pictures now

chrome knot
bold geode
bold geode
chrome knot
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won a game to get into ultra 1 bc my garde traced multiscale lmaoooo

atomic portal
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@torn parrot congrats on winning and dropping 0 games in tc

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its like ur some sort of…

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…pokemon champion

torn parrot
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i won hehhhh

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lopunnyyy hehe

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9-0 lopunny

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2-0 through top cut lopunny

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broughtg lopunny every single game

indigo coral
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Oh, someone else discovered Rain Dance Lopunny. Neat

torn parrot
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THE TECHHH

torn parrot
indigo coral
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Was holding onto that for a tournament myself, need to brew some new spice now

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molten oasis
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Why does it get that lmao

indigo coral
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Gen 4 and before learnsets get dummy coverage for no reason

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Same reason Nidoking gets Bubblebeam

molten oasis
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Ah, anyway

pearl wind
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had to use the decidueye team again to go back to 2k 😤

tranquil kraken
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good job

wheat rapids
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i was literally thinking about a glimmora team last night 'cause i was like, i feel like setting toxic spikes before megaing would be cool, but then i was like nah im too singles brained lol

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then wolfey releases a vid of mega glimmora with the same reasoning, + 5 of my all time fav mons 💀

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nice lol

pearl wind
real prairie
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Yay @torn parrot is back and killing it

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If anyone wants to have a go with a mega Camerupt team:

real prairie
winter fox
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I have a team if anybody wants to use it

molten oasis
chrome knot
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placed 1822

pearl wind
real prairie
chrome knot
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took longer than i wanted

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ladder anxiety sucks lmao winning wasn’t even the hard part

real prairie
real prairie
chrome knot
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no bc then im not fully focused on my decision making

real prairie
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Ironically I work better with a distraction lol ADHD things 🤣

chrome knot
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too much noise makes me freak out

real prairie
chrome knot
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yeah im an indoor cat oops

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i always get added to all the popular player twitter groupchats for post day 1 hangouts but i

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never go😭

chrome knot
real prairie
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Haha I know was teasing

chrome knot
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was gonna say you’re like a dad but

real prairie
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Hahaha valid

austere pilot
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im stuck in champions ultra ball 2 and I cant escape

chrome knot
winter fox
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I'm uninstalling this game

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All I needed was to hit one more Throat Chop to kill this Mega Froslass and of course Blizzard freezes me. I'm done for today, I can't lmao.

chrome knot
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i was stuck in ultra until this

cerulean nacelle
winter fox
cerulean nacelle
dense latch
winter fox
dense latch
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unless you're running perish trap that's not really worth it

dry nexus
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I get why upper hand don't work vs priority status moves but it still sucks they did that

dense latch
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incin doesnt need it

cerulean nacelle
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Incin doesn't need protect unless it's working under perish trap, I agree.

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Main moveset is flare blitz, darkest lariat/throat chop, parting shot and fake out.

haughty latch
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Does anyone think mega bax could get sharpness?

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Cause why would dragon claw become a slicing move? Who does that benefit?

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I don’t think a single sharpness mon gets dragon claw

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I mean ig maybe they’d give it to one of them when they come to champions but idk

dense latch
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there's a pretty big number of sharpness boosted moves that no sharpness mon gets

dense latch
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almost the same as the number of boosted moves sharpness mons do get actually

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would be cool but wouldnt think that much of it

haughty latch
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Ok that makes sense

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But it would also make sense if it got that ability tho

dense latch
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yea big ass sword and all

haughty latch
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Maybe they could even give it like one or two more because all it has is dragon claw and aerial

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If it does get sharpness though that would render flavor rush obsolete

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Glaive*

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Lmaoo flavor rush

chrome knot
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now that im out of the gimmick tier and will be in real matches, would returning to floette > gardevoir be stronger overall

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@real prairie

real prairie
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But then you are just running the same balance as everyone else, uniqueness can give you an edge in bo1

stuck perch
noble hatch
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yup big advantage of playing off-meta mons is that other players wont be able to predict your leads/most likely moves as easily

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its why ive been having fun occasionally being able to do double clangorous soul kommo-o then psych up with mega froslass

chrome knot
noble hatch
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for double omni boosts on both my mons

real prairie
chrome knot
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I got got by cc aegislash and came back from it rly grossly lmao

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was like 5 turns all correct in a row

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bc like sure the team is telegraphed but

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im not the same person as anyone else running the same team

real prairie
dry nexus
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a crit prevented me from outstalling the wall

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😭

chrome knot
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i get lot of praise from friends who are in champ tier and it inspires me to always improve on the critical thinking aspect of the game

real prairie
subtle saffron
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Dude is champions a gacha game

subtle saffron
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And what mons can i transfer in

chrome knot
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master 4, reconfiguring team before grinding higher with floette

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1822 atm

noble hatch
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nice

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i also just hit masterball today

chrome knot
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placed there ngl lol

noble hatch
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wdym placed?

chrome knot
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like my win from ultra 1 to master 4

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put me at 1822 elo in master

noble hatch
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ah ok

chrome knot
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bc i came in with an 8 win streak

noble hatch
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im at 1500 cause i kept fking around with gimmick teams trying to make em work

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so i lost a lot XD

real prairie
winter fox
subtle saffron
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Uhhh, is completing my first pvp match with just one Pokemon good

subtle saffron
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Yes

chrome knot
real prairie
chrome knot
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narr she don’t play vgcAAE_giggle

real prairie
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Same gf? 🤔 Could have sworn you both played

chrome knot
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ohh if you’re thinking of kat we broke up in febFukingDies

real prairie
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Whoops

chrome knot
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oops

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no it okienyangiggle

noble hatch
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fuuuuu- just thought of another gimmick i can try, which means im probably going to lose alot again XD

spiral zealot
bold geode
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I was put at either 1800 or 1790

chrome knot
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lol noob

real prairie
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That'll do for the night, big push for champions tier tomorrow

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Camerupt actually goated lol

cerulean nacelle
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I went into a ranked match accidentally with mega camerupt TR. Still won the game.

real prairie
#

Lost 1 to a taunt maus, lost another to a dark pulse flinch

winter fox
#

This game wants me to lose. Everything that shouldn't happen happens when I'm close to winning.

chrome knot
#

you needa get off till tmrw

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ur just playing tilted wnd its handing you of course moments

dry nexus
real prairie
#

Anyone have any context?

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Always seems to be some drama in VGC lol

chrome knot
#

someone made a website for vgc stuff and it was all ai generated

winter fox
supple latch
chrome knot
#

that was all wrong lmfao

real prairie
#

Then yeah I understand the hate lol. If you are gonna use AI use it constructively and accurately, don't use it to spread false bollocks

chrome knot
#

any generative ai is garbage

jade dust
chrome knot
#

i mean shes interested

jade dust
#

She can learn from you a lot

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You play in regionals right?

chrome knot
#

mhm

jade dust
#

Do you go by Emma as well?

chrome knot
#

mhm

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my results areeee garbage !

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im very good at starting 3-0 and fumbling

jade dust
#

Ah

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So you haven’t played on stream?

chrome knot
#

no im bad

jade dust
#

I remember seeing someone named Emma years ago on stream but then was someone else

dense latch
#

ai generated mon images and gambit was apparently a rock type

torn parrot
#

They were like “this team won worlds!”

Meanwhile worlds wasn’t even the same format as the made up team they showed

All the teams were lies and ai generated

jade dust
#

And what was your team?

spiral zealot
#

ive been using the agniVGC mega glimm/decidueye-h team

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and i lost all 5 games i played yesterday

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i did win one today with farig imprison shenanigans tho

foggy lodge
subtle saffron
foggy lodge
#

lmfao

willow gulch
#

Hey, was just wondering what fun + strong single battle strats anyone might be using.

subtle saffron
#

Get a dragonite

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Get a mega stone

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Sweep the floor

willow gulch
#

Dw bro I have that, fun was in the request

subtle saffron
#

Ohhh

willow gulch
#

Not just sneasler slop

subtle saffron
#

Nvm shuckle isnt in the game

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Was gonna say trick room shuckle

willow gulch
#

Also, doesn't anyone who has champions at this point have the free dragonite?

subtle saffron
#

I dont see anyone using it

willow gulch
#

Why not?

subtle saffron
#

No clue, idk why they dont use it

jade dust
spiral zealot
#

its been fun to use but glimmora and decidueye just aren't as amazing as they would need to be for this team to go truly crazy style

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when they're good they're really good though

jade dust
#

And I’m assuming deci is a trick room attacker here

willow gulch
#

Never thought this channel would be so lively

smoky quail
#

It's about Pokemon Champion rank battle for climb up to Master Rank 1. Should I run a Fire-type team or a mixed of type for offensive and hazard team?

stuck perch
jade dust
cyan smelt
#

Status

willow gulch
#

Status

smoky quail
willow gulch
#

Status

smoky quail
# jade dust Heals status or HP?

Also if you need heal berry, then go for Stirus Berry. Do not go for Oran Berry because it only heals 10 HP. That's not worth.

willow gulch
#

How to increase box space?

smoky quail
willow gulch
#

Oh, I haven't been grinding so I only have 40

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Thanks tho!

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Anyone have a FUN single battles team?

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I get its a comp game but stillBrowtWTF

subtle saffron
#

Run trick room on a bad attack and slow speed mon

willow gulch
#

Alright

dull ibex
#

Tr is bad in singles

#

AFAIK atleast

subtle saffron
dull ibex
#

Alright

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What spread do I want on kommo o

bold geode
#

Though you can never go wrong with FWG

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Dark Psychic Fighting is meh

spiral zealot
# jade dust What did lum berry do?

people like to burn garchomp which is why it has a lum berry (or if they have sleep powder i guess)
also no on decidueye, the team doesn't use trick room
if you have tailwind up, everything on the team is faster than anything your opponent can have (unless they also get tailwind)

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32 speed decidueye inside tailwind is 224 speed which is 2 points higher than 32 speed timid mega alakazam (which is the fastest pokemon in the game currently)

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the trick room on farig is only to deny or reverse enemy trick room

graceful scaffold
#

whats the like worst team though, like all anti-synergy and stuff lol

wanton stirrup
#

Took Mega Crabominable and Mega Camerupt all the way to the top.

dawn bridge
#

Hello if I transfer a pokemon with pokerus in champions and back to its original game does the pokerus disappear?

jade dust
#

Lol

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Actually let me tell you of a funny play I did today since you mentioned imprison Farig @spiral zealot

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So I was against a trick room team and I let Floette and Sinistcha. They lead sneasler and farig. I protect Floette and trick room. They attacked with both into my protect. Next turn I expected them to switch sneasler out so I calm mind and reverse trick room

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They swap both into torkoal and golurk in as I calm mind and trick room

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They got mega baited

stuck perch
unkempt flax
#

Actually tweaking

#

I’ve been in limbo hell on ladder. I have 1986 points rn and I keep getting 1999 then go back to 1986

whole ibex
#

Hey so how do I check my win lost ratio

dry nexus
#

who thought it was a good idea that matches ends in draw even if you have more pokemon than the opponent

stuck perch
cyan smelt
#

Tinkaton stonks rising

noble hatch
#

ikr

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just had someone rage quit cause i one shot his mega-gengar with tinkaton

stuck perch
supple latch
noble hatch
#

ye

wary sleet
#

weather ball god tier any disagreements?

polar canyon
#

What do you mean victreebel doesn't learn leech seed

cyan smelt
#

Does it learn rage powder

polar canyon
#

Nope

#

It's hard to justify using it

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Leech seed could make it interesting with it being able to constantly fight to keep hp high to keep a threatening innards out

cyan smelt
#

Gastro acid might be fun since so many mons rely on their abilities

vocal plume
#

Finally getting somewhere again in ranked

#

6 wins in a row now. In Ultra rank 2 now

novel fjord
#

How to win in Pokémon champions without legends za

pearl wind
#

i tried something with meganium but that didnt really work for me

spiral zealot
#

what are you thinking of switching decidueye for?

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i was wondering if the glimm team might honestly do well with a second mega

#

since glimmora does have those bad matchups you wouldn't wanna bring it to

pearl wind
spiral zealot
#

like maybe swap Decidueye out for Hawlucha or Emboar or Gallade or something, and have that backup Mega

graceful scaffold
#

I coulda sworn there was a new chat for rental codes for champions

spiral zealot
pearl wind
#

something with meganium but that didnt work for me at all so i went back to deci/glimm and went 3-0 to 2k elo again

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so im kinda stuck like yesterday

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matchup wise froslass sounds good, you get the ground fellas out of the way + the psychic weakness if you had trouble with that

spiral zealot
#

i was thinking about trying mega delphox personally
like as a whole new team setup
just cuz i like the design and it seems strong

pearl wind
#

i mean yeah go for it nyaaThumbsup do you wanna keep anything from the team that you like?

spiral zealot
#

honestly i really liked how the talonflame played

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like having the option of priority between tailwind or brave bird

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and i might try to find something else that runs high crit rate because triple arrows felt like a crazy good move just being held back by being on decidueye

pearl wind
#

hahaha poor decidueye

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i do like talon a lot, i probably need to go for brave bird > dual wingbeat cuz i never hit that move

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no way its 90% accurate

spiral zealot
#

yeah i really dont like using non 100% moves

pearl wind
#

like im 1/5 for hits vs opposing sneasler

spiral zealot
#

what about no item acrobatics

cyan smelt
#

I was just about to mention that

pearl wind
#

yeah true thats an option

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i just like having sash cuz i can leave it open for a turn

spiral zealot
#

im just a brave bird fan since talonflame isn't sticking around for more than 1-2 turns anyway so why not hit hard

pearl wind
#

or i just brave bird + self KO if im going tailwind anyway

pearl wind
spiral zealot
#

yeah i think gallade gets a lot of those high crit "blade" moves

#

oooh aegislash does too

noble hatch
#

tbh though i do run both brave bird and DW

pearl wind
#

theres also h-samurott with aqua cutter/night slash if you wanna keep crittin

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could go priority last + protect

#

i need another coffee

spiral zealot
#

what are your thoughts on this team

#

its still very offensive and has the priority tailwind but it doesn't have any crazy bad type weaknesses

noble hatch
#

youve got a bit of an aerodactyl weakness

waxen dock
spiral zealot
red willow
#

Big fan of ice beam and/or aura sphere on m stoise personally

noble hatch
spiral zealot
red willow
#

The stoise doesnt have fake out afaict

noble hatch
#

oh you are right

#

yeah dactyl gonna skree all over that team

red willow
#

I mean its not that bulky

#

2 neutral hits and its dead

spiral zealot
#

i dont see how aerodactyl is a huge problem when i have prankster tailwind and multiple super effective moves into it

red willow
#

Yeah its not for m stoise at least once you outspeed it

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Im on shell smash tho so not sure what the threshhold is

noble hatch
#

id say it seems good enough to at least go out and test it

red willow
#

Full sp def full hp invested rotom wash legit feels like the only thing that gives my team problems atm whats a good mon into it?

#

I would guess a physical attacking grass mon?

#

We meowscarading this mf?

#

Lmao

noble hatch
#

whats your team look like?

cyan smelt
#

Archaludon is good into it

red willow
#

M stoise Sinistcha Clefable Sneasler Gambit Peli

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Although funnily enough

noble hatch
#

sinistcha should be doing decent dmg to it tbh

red willow
#

Helping hand spout at +2 in the rain ohkos still

noble hatch
#

also how attached are you to sneasler?

#

could swap him out for lightning rod raichu as your fake out user instead

red willow
#

Interesting idea but Im not sure if its necessarily common enough to warrant getting rid of my main ttar gambit mega meganium floette etc killer lol

pearl wind
#

sorry was out with merlin

noble hatch
#

he's nice into other mons (particularly archaludon)

#

i typically run mine with fake out, electroweb, fake tears and then your choice of either helping hand or protect

#

how important is your clefable?

#

or better yet, who were you considering swapping out for meowscarada?

red willow
#

Clefable is honestly flext slot

#

But the extra redirection has been real good

#

Its surprisingly bulky with max investments too

noble hatch
#

are you running rage powder on sinistcha? it should be able to just redirect rotom till you can kill it

#

since neither water or electric do a ton to him

vocal plume
noble hatch
#

idk thats why im checking

red willow
#

Its already on that fam lol

vocal plume
#

I seem to have cracked the code on my team thank god

red willow
#

Revisiting my standard rain team instead of my blastoise cheese for a sec

#

Mega meganium > Dnite if Im on arch already is what Im thinking?

chrome knot
austere pilot
#

I also want to run the matcha with murderous intent

unkempt flax
#

I think I verses you lol

chrome knot
#

@bold geode i like floette more i just ohko’d gambit with light of ruin

red willow
#

So is mega floette just better mega meganium? Lol

#

Prolly should just grind it out in za

#

I assume the dgleam hurts way worse

chrome knot
#

these are 2 different people

red willow
#

I mean yeah one gets zolarbeem I guess but its slower than dogwater

brave phoenix
#

Can u derank tiers in champions

#

I hit master ball and im wondering if i have a risk of deranking

vocal plume
#

But to answer, both of them are very different

brave phoenix
#

Mega floette is probably closer to a better mega gardevoir no?

chrome knot
#

good thing every floette teams have answers for both

vocal plume
brave phoenix
chrome knot
#

also arch is not a floette answer

#

you die to moonblast

vocal plume
#

I just played floette, starmie, talonflame and sneasler

vocal plume
chrome knot
#

32+ SpA Archaludon Flash Cannon vs. 29 HP / 0 SpD Mega Floette: 104-126 (58.4 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

vocal plume
#

Never said it needs to ohko

#

I was also helped by rain in this scenario

chrome knot
#

ur also not gonna be 32 modest

vocal plume
#

And i also never said it was archaludon who killed floette

#

Stop jumping to conclusions.

chrome knot
#

i played majority of games into rain and it is not a threat into floette im gonna be so honest

#

and its always the same pick 4 lmao

cyan smelt
#

crazy that showdown ladder is up to 1700s

red willow
#

After much deliberation I have come to the conclusion I would rather take a toaster bath than complete 15 infinite za royale battles on plza lol

red willow
#

I am trying to throw people raging bolt and calyrex and arceus and stuff now instead of doing the battles LMAO

#

I really really REALLY did not enjoy that game if you cant tell

chrome knot
#

missing out

#

story & game was remarkable, getting floette is very easy lmao

red willow
#

Oh Ive beat the game

#

Im at heatran or something

#

In the dlc but I cant be bothered with the game mechanics

#

I just really do not enjoy any aspect of the game whatsoever and would rather trade a legit rare mon I have aquired for a legit one than aquire it myself

lost sun
#

i just won a game and went from rank 3 to 4

chrome knot
red willow
#

No its not

#

I refuse to do 15 of those battles

#

Which require like 10 mini battles a piece

#

Thats like.... 150 battles?

#

Hell no

lost sun
#

10 is generous

red willow
#

Im never lucky at the bonus cards fr

#

They give me trash

#

So i do max battles basically

chrome knot
#

literally an hour at most

lost sun
#

is that even possible to do in 1 hour

red willow
#

Naw

#

It said 3 hours expected and there is absolutely no way I am playing that game for that long

#

Someome can have a very lovely arceus or bolt lmao

chrome knot
#

if you’re that against it don’t use floette or plan around it idk

lost sun
#

fr those battles are so boring and repetitive

#

just trade for floette

red willow
#

I intend to

chrome knot
lost sun
#

some people do

red willow
lost sun
#

usually u got to trade a shiny tho

red willow
#

Like those are two of the rarest mons ever and mine are legit

#

Oh I have plenty of meta relevant shinies too

chrome knot
red willow
#

I think you are overestimating how many people play this stuff to completion lol

chrome knot
#

alot…?

red willow
#

No buddy

#

I do not intend

#

On doing the grind

#

Of catxhing every mon in any game

chrome knot
#

gugghhhhjj unlocking raging bolt is the same amount of time as 15 za nights

red willow
#

I will just trade for good mons

lost sun
red willow
#

Yeah like who tf is doin all that

chrome knot
#

no? raging bolt is dlc2 paradox

lost sun
#

how do u get it without the event

red willow
#

Except the person I traded the arceus from with the pic for proof lol

chrome knot
#

talk to perin…?

#

shes in dlc2 after u catch ursa bloodmoon lol

#

the “event” paradox are iron leaves & walking wake lmao

chrome knot
#

bc ur lazy doesn’t mean everyone is

lost sun
#

I'd happily do it if it was enjoyable

red willow
#

Im not lazy there is just no motivation to "100%" a casual game if my only intent is competetive battling....?

#

But okay cool lol

chrome knot
#

getting floette is not a 100% completion

red willow
#

If you have fun collecting all the unviable poopy that fills up boxes and serves no purpose more power to you I just have no sentiment for the games themselves lol they exist as a strategic outlet to jam lol

chrome knot
#

i specifically complete games for vgc mons

#

for myself and my friends

red willow
#

Well then you prolly get where Im coming from

#

Except the fact Im not willing to spend 3 hours in za for floette

chrome knot
#

i find the games fun so i don’t rly get where u come from

red willow
#

Some of them are

#

Some of them are not lol

chrome knot
#

i don’t see it as this slogfest of timewaste like i got music on and im talking to friends while i just have stuff to get done

#

i hunted a 0spe urshifu in a beast ball for a friends naic team

#

ive strength sap & min iv kirlia hunted both 0atk csr & 0spe cir in love balls lol the games are just fun to get through

red willow
#

See that would be annoying to me to catch a mon in a ball with a low catch rate

chrome knot
#

right thats where we differ, i had to encounter like 50 kubfu

#

to either watch it struggle to death or have incorrect stats

red willow
#

And that sounds god awful

#

But if you can distract yourself thru it more power to you lol

chrome knot
#

i was watching friends ladder and prep for naic so it was helpful to me still

red willow
#

Im not good at multitasking

chrome knot
#

i prep weirdly for vgc, the way i learn my matchups is by watching others problem solve

red willow
#

So I cant really hold a convo and play a game at the same time so the gameplay has to be hella engaging

chrome knot
#

and critique all the actions to find the best option between the both of us

red willow
#

I feel ya

#

I just have really bad add and cant take meddies for it for reasons haha

#

So I have to zone in on one thing real good for awhile at a time

chrome knot
#

right

chrome knot
#

for what i have there is nothing so its a pain in the ass💀

red willow
#

Well uhhhhh not sure I should just throw this out there in a random disco convo but wth lol

#

I take a monthly injection for schizophrenia and they dont think having me on 2 plus meddies rn is for the best haha

#

But hey

#

I dont make hats outta alluminum foil now so we have improved from where we were a few years ago

#

Lmfaooooo

chrome knot
#

oooohhhh

red willow
#

I think the craziest part about it all is people assume schizophrenic people are inherently violent

#

And negative stereotypes like all that

#

So like I just keep it under wraps and work my 9 to 5 haha

#

But in all honesty my injection makes me almost function normally albeit the add stuff so thats nice

chrome knot
#

injections super suck lowk

#

mines for hrt but like i hate hate hate doing it

red willow
#

Needles do indeed suck in general

#

But if it keeps me outta the looney bin I gotta do what I gotta do lmao

chrome knot
#

thats fair😭

red willow
#

(The state hospitals around me are nightmare fuel)

#

I was on a 13 game winstreak with blastoise cheese, switched to standard rain and went on a 4 loss streak fml lol

cyan smelt
#

the lesson is don't change what's working

real prairie
#

I have just discovered Ben 10 has it's own incineroar

cyan smelt
#

that thing is jacked

real prairie
cyan smelt
#

lmfao

#

ykw what mon i haven't seen anything of, sharpedo

real prairie
#

Or chimeco

cerulean nacelle
# cyan smelt ykw what mon i haven't seen anything of, sharpedo

Sharpedo is kinda awkward to use in doubles.

Weak to sneaslers CC. An unburden sneasler is still gonna be quicker than a +1 speed mega sharpedo.

It can be intimidated. Which is never good for a mon that's just about outputting damage.

And you're predictable. Very predictable. You know most likely if you see a sharpedo they're gonna protect turn 1 to allow themselves a +1 speed boost.

#

Also it's crunch is hella strong but it's water stab by comparison really isn't.

cyan smelt
#

it doesn't seem to hit very hard

#

and doesn't really have great biting moves either

#

is mega slowbro any good?

rare pumice
#

i've seen mega slowbro do a little well on trick room teams

bold geode
chrome knot
#

i mastr now

bold geode
chrome knot
#

probably will idk

jaunty cargo
#

Does anyone know how the master ball rank numbers work like your rating is 1500 or so

chrome knot
#

master 4 is any
master 3 is 1800
master 2 is 1900
master 1 is 2000
champ is top 300

jaunty cargo
#

Mkay

spark siren
polar canyon
#

I haven't seen anyone mention mega chandelure

#

Is it like not good

#

I kinda want to use a bulky one next to screens/veil

#

With speed control and option to trick room it sounds nice

vapid drum
#

Its pretty slow. My timid gengar one shots 9/10 times

#

Modest guarantees OHKO with no hp or defense investment.

I haven't seen it survive enough past a shadow ball to see if it does anything

tawdry urchin
#

Why does everyone give sneasler white herb instead of focus sash?

vapid drum
#

Close combat

#

Or if it runs into intimidate, it automatically gets its attack restored, and now its speed is doubled

tawdry urchin
vapid drum
#

Yeah, im aware. It just depends on what format youre running it in

#

White herb has the opportunity to proc on turn 0 making it faster than practically everything

vapid drum
#

Not really. Incineroar is one of the most popular Pokémon ever

#

Unburden max speed sneasler is only outsped by max speed choice scarf dragapult outside of tailwind

#

Intimidate is a very popular ability due to the sheer amount of physical attackers in the meta

gentle cragBOT
vapid drum
mighty stump
# polar canyon Is it like not good

I mean it’s no harm, could be under-explored. It’s just typing wise it can also be tough considering how Zard Y is the poster boy for the meta atm and how everything tried to fight Fire.

Incin, Ttar, Kingambit, already make life sorta hell for it

#

and a slower mon is just susceptible to more issues than sth faster

polar canyon
#

Modest vs 0 bulk

polar canyon
#

I see people playing around with stuff like victreebel and scovillain

foggy lodge
#

The ability is also really mid rn

#

Because like the only screens rn is i guess froslass or ninetales

tawdry urchin
#

https://pokepast.es/377651fa4cab2042 What changes should I make and what should the 6th pokemon be? I'm getting my friend into vgc and his favourite pokemon is absol so I want to build a team around it

spark siren
#

Should I teach Mega Gallade Ice Punch or Knock Off?

bold geode
#

The Intimidate one also matters too cuz like
If the Incineroar isn't carrying a Chople berry, the White Herb clearing Intimidate puts Incineroar back in range of CC

grand spire
tawdry urchin
gentle cragBOT
gentle cragBOT
bold geode
#

Ok so uh
I need you to verify
At one moment it was Crabominable Hard TR and now it's Mega Absol, what are we playing

#

Oh the message says it lol

#

Just read dumbass

#

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#

Real talk, how committed are they to Absol KEKW

tawdry urchin
#

abosol X would be so much better to use but ofc it;s not in the game yet

willow gulch
#

Anyone on rn thats down to battle for a mission?

#

Champions

bold geode
#

Um let's see

tiny karmaBOT
bold geode
#

I normally wouldn't recommend going thru with this, but if they're really committed
Aegislash could give Wide Guard and also help more with Floette which is a HUGE issue

#

Also idk if I'd do Whimsicott, kinda fall over to Sun
Maybe Sash Aerodactyl?

tawdry urchin
#

I'll just say what I've built around for it so far, ninetails for vail because absol is frail, sneasler for zard y, mega floette and the team's fake out user, frig to stop trickroom, priority and 1 shot peliper and whim for support and speed control

real prairie
#

WHO THE FUCK RUNS TAUNT ON AERODACTYL

tawdry urchin
willow gulch
#

No one can help me out?GengarSad

real prairie
bold geode
tawdry urchin
bold geode
#

I'd say replace Farig but idk with what so it could stay for now

bold geode
bold geode
tawdry urchin
bold geode
#

Always Jolly
You hit 200 with max speed that way so you're just faster than the things you need to be faster than

willow gulch
tawdry urchin
bold geode
bold geode
#

I guess a Never Melt Ice?

#

D Gleam isn't great on A9 I'd do like Moonblast or Encore
And with Aero and A9 you can probably drop Rock Slide for Protect on Sneasler now

willow gulch
#

Thanks anyways

bold geode
#

Np

#

As for a 6th hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

tawdry urchin
real prairie
#

Seriously the moves and mons I'm losing to today are hilarious

bold geode
#

Possibly
Or actually
Wait

real prairie
#

What do you mean scarf vanilux

tiny karmaBOT
bold geode
#

Ok that idea isn't great

tawdry urchin
bold geode
#

Have U Turn on Absol

#

But it don't got it

#

Could've done like
Primarina as the last that way so you have a decent Tailroom mon

tawdry urchin
#

Why would I use up a move slot to switch out for?

bold geode
#

So you could U Turn and set up speed control on the same turn
Basically how Miraidon Volt Switches for example

bold geode
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I guess an Aegislash

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Could do like Iron Head/Poltergeist/WG/Kings Shield

tawdry urchin
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Real question is do we need a support or offence coverage mon? We allready have 2 offence, 2 supports and aeo is both

bold geode
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With Metal Coat

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Probably need Aegi for another Floette guy

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And WG could block Heat Wave from Zard

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As for EVs I'd just do max HP max Atk with 2 EVs somewhere other than speed and I'd go Brave

tawdry urchin
gentle cragBOT
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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102 cool i cna outspeed it

bold geode
tawdry urchin
polar canyon
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Trying nasty plot sinistcha in casual battles

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Haven't gotten to click nasty plot safely even once

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Maybe this ain't it

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Sinistcha + metal sound klefki tho is kinda heat

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Unkillable green fluid fellow because it heals so much

sudden remnant
polar canyon
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I guess fake tears klefki was too strong for champions

bold geode
sudden remnant
tawdry urchin
dull ibex
tawdry urchin
polar canyon
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Leaving it with metal sound but removing fake tears from it is weird

sudden remnant
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one is accurate one is not

tawdry urchin
sudden remnant
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idk its tpci why do they do anything

bold geode
sudden remnant
polar canyon
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I kinda just wanna use zoom lens klefki just to stop missing twave and metal sound

dull ibex
polar canyon
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Man when are they adding safety goggles back

polar canyon
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I want goggles so bad

sudden remnant
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when are they adding covert cloak back

bold geode
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Oh you said when

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I thought you said why

tawdry urchin
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Ah ok, tysm!

polar canyon
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Why are they adding goggles back

bold geode
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Man I can't read

polar canyon
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I just want to not play a guessing game on which of my pokemon is getting sleep powdered by venu

bold geode
# tawdry urchin Ah ok, tysm!

Anyways
What I also would do is see what other megas they like as well
Cuz like
We made something for them with Absol but keep in mind it's Absol so

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If it doesn't work out for them we may also want other options

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
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what was with gen 3 and mixed attackers