competitive_discussion

[noble hatch]

i also like using raichu with primarina

[indigo coral]

Unironically, Feint on Raichu is not bad

[polar canyon]

Feint is a nice move

[noble hatch]

i like fake tears

lets primarina ohko archaludon

which is funny

[polar canyon]

Haven't used it in champions yet but I like fake out feint tinkaton

Because mold breaker lets it ignore armor tail

It's just fake out feint twave and damaging move

Play rough is more consistently useful but gigaton hammer is just cool to use

And ohkos flutter mane

[red willow]

I ran into manectric once it died to a neutral flip turn from basc lmao

From full

Also why are people not running h typlosion eruption cheese on sun with very little wide guard users in the format

[noble hatch]

maybe its because of how many rain teams there are?

and then a decent number of sand teams as well

[red willow]

I guess it doesnt really have any benefit from things you are weak to already

But like

Killing 2 mons at once is p good

If I wasnt already trying m blastoise spout cheese Id def try it out

[polar canyon]

Rain and it also just kinda is forced to switch against most resists so it doesn't get hit by a neutral move and lose all eruption power while locked into it with scarf

Wyd when the garchomp takes 60% and hits your torkoal and typhlosion with eq

[red willow]

Why not zard y?

It at least mitigates a lil ground weakness lol

[polar canyon]

Then maybe it's just that you don't need a second sun nuke on the team

It's gonna get walled by whatever walls zard

[red willow]

Thats true as well

Idk the fact it cant be faked outed was what my main consideration for it was lol

[polar canyon]

But nothing against just running what feels more fun to you if you're enjoying it

I'm still having a blast playing manual rain and no peli

Nor politoed

[red willow]

Lol Im playing scarf peli to do a terrible tornadus impression

And hopefully cheese some kos off m blastoise from spout

[polar canyon]

Hey I almost lost to scarf peli at a small tourney

I'm not gonna shut up about this tournament for a while it's the first in person event I've been to

Fortunately I had prankster disable

[red willow]

Lol the lgs not too far from me is considering starting vgc

I need to bug the owner now that champions dropped actually lmao

[polar canyon]

Even if I go on to play in any official locals or regionals I'll still think about this first small victory of mine

First time people praised me irl for playing a videogame

[red willow]

Now that Im old I enjoy strategy games way more than fighters/shooters and the like haha used to go to tourneys for that type of stuff but my reaction time isnt what it used to be

[polar canyon]

The guy who ended in third has been top cut at an international which made it kinda a big deal for me

[red willow]

Nice!

[polar canyon]

Then I went on to get utterly destroyed by him when we were both 3-0 on swiss rounds

Then his controller desynced on his semifinals game against someone else and he rage quit

So I never actually beat the guy lol

It wasn't an official tournament so I was surprised to see it was full tournament rules with team sheets and bo3

Made me feel like it was the real deal

When these 4 other dudes were watching the newbie fight last years winner and all cheered when I won

Big moment for me

[red willow]

I feel like whoever mentioned I need a follow me user with m blastoise as my main sweeper might be onto something

[polar canyon]

Rage powder could work too

[red willow]

Sinistcha aint stopping a solar beam with rage powder

[polar canyon]

The funnier part was the day after when they put me in their group chat and some of them were inspired by me to start using sableye

[red willow]

Sinsitcha works so much better on the team than clefable or maushold would tho lol

[chrome knot]

all irl events will follow regional rulesets bc they have to lol

[polar canyon]

Pretty sure it wasn't official though

Dillon said something about official events not being on champions yet as of now?

One guy at the event had an official pokemon trainer something judge shirt

But I think it was for the tcg tournament at the other table

[chrome knot]

“official” events for champs can’t be held until next season

but indy is the first champs regional so practice for it is still good

[polar canyon]

He also cheered for me when I won it was funny

[chrome knot]

even unsanctioned events unless specified otherwise will be using the format + ots

[polar canyon]

You're pretty knowledgeable aren't you

It is interesting playing with a sheet of info next to you

[chrome knot]

yeah its not just a guessing game anymore

[polar canyon]

I lost my surprise factor but would have lost many times if I hadn't also checked their info

[chrome knot]

and you get a real feel for how practiced match ups pan out

[polar canyon]

Some master players still mega evolved their charizard in front of prankster rain dance

Even the finalist

In all 3 games

[chrome knot]

atp its just using zard y for the extra stats

[polar canyon]

Tbf he was actually using weather ball and almost kod my sableye

His game plan was probably getting rid of it so I can't override sun again

Which is very reasonable

Third place also had a mega meganium which did a lot more work than I thought it did

Mega meganium is like actually good

I won with a crit

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/0cb44c6716420958 trying this out next

[red willow]

I mean I guess they can throw out klefki screens then proceed to not touch blastoise for 3 turns letting me ko 2.5 mons with just spout cheese lol

[sharp prism]

@dull ibex Can i get the stats for the team you gave me?

[dull ibex]

one second

[sharp prism]

Ok

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/4b4d1ef06ee9f0cc

there ya go

feel free to switch the gengar for something else

[red willow]

Where is our HERO

Smeargle

[polar canyon]

Hope it never comes back

[mighty stump]

1900s lesgo

[polar canyon]

I lowkey kinda wanna try mega heracross

[mighty stump]

Uou can switch Pulse for Draco and run ESpeed for consistent chip into faster mons

[red willow]

I found a random shiny pink female one in my sv box lol

[dull ibex]

I am running pulse on my dnite

[mighty stump]

I’m

Aware

[dull ibex]

espeed over what ?

[mighty stump]

Thunder

[dull ibex]

Im considering it

[polar canyon]

I need to hit up my little brother for his shalpha heracross

[mighty stump]

Just means the -2 isn’t gonna hurt as much

[polar canyon]

Still one of the craziest things I've seen in pokemon

[dull ibex]

someone skull emoji'd me in r/vgc for running pulse lmao

[polar canyon]

Full odds shiny alpha jumping from shaking berry tree in lza

[dull ibex]

I swapped icy wind for perish song on gengar

[molten oasis]

Going off on ladder with phox corv chomp rn

This feels strong

[red willow]

Lmfaooooo double burn off matcha gacha what are the odds

[polar canyon]

Like under 1% if factoring in accuracy

[red willow]

That is absolute insanity

[polar canyon]

It's a 10% chance right

[dull ibex]

@mighty stump how does dnite do special attack wise unmega'd?

[red willow]

20 oh not as crazy but still

[polar canyon]

Ok it's actually around 3 to 4%

[mighty stump]

Pog

[mighty stump]

shit

[dull ibex]

is there ever a situation i bring both gengar and dnite and don't mega dnite?

[mighty stump]

Probably

Its judgement

[molten oasis]

I think corv is crazy good

[red willow]

Doesnt the mf get body press

[polar canyon]

I think corv is kinda mid

[molten oasis]

Ran through 3 games with just it and sneasler it was wild

[dull ibex]

drago or tofu either of you wanna do a set?

[mighty stump]

Looking at the team you kinda just wanna chip stuff inti range

[molten oasis]

Yea

[polar canyon]

All it takes is a special attacker

[mighty stump]

Nah, in general I can’t do much VC and stuff since I live in a studio with my gf and i din’t have my setup

[molten oasis]

Okay by that logic everything would suck

[dull ibex]

fair enough

[mighty stump]

Drago send paste, you can DM

I kinda wanna run the concept

I thinn Corvi is literally the solution to the metagame

There are only so many specific threats you need to care about and they generally get cleared quickly

endgame security is crazy

[molten oasis]

Yeah definitely

[polar canyon]

Maybe I just haven't fought the right corviknights

Didn't think about endgame corv

[red willow]

When oppo locks in 2 pshychic mons seeing my sneasler but I leave it on bench and bring gambit and sinistcha lmao

[polar canyon]

They all just lead with it or bring it before clearing all threats to it

[dull ibex]

i also have another rain

which is Dnite, Peli, Incin, Clefable, Basc, and Gengar

[red willow]

First time playing with a defiant mon ability is kinda cracked

[polar canyon]

Gambit?

[red willow]

Yee

[polar canyon]

I mean what else gets it in champions ig

[red willow]

Hopefully next reg my boy annihalape lmao

[polar canyon]

Strong sucker punch just helps a lot with cleanup

[polar canyon]

I get the feeling it won't be as good without tera

[red willow]

Idk the dual stab is kinda cracked

And it can ohko alot of things from neutral after +2 as well

[polar canyon]

Where's that +2 coming from

I wouldn't bet on getting 2 bulk ups without tera

[mighty stump]

I can’t wait to introduce newbies to BUBU Annihilape

[polar canyon]

Wonder if we're still gonna have many newbies by the time next season comes

Or whichever season ape even comes back

[dull ibex]

Alot still I imagine

[red willow]

I mean when mobile drops I expect plenty of newbz

[polar canyon]

True that

[mighty stump]

Well we have 400k

new players

[polar canyon]

Can't wait for mobile so I can play ranked during class

[mighty stump]

Prevously Mbalk stuff would sit ard 100k to 200k players

Warm Up Chall had 600k

[polar canyon]

I still haven't done warm up is it over yet

[mighty stump]

Over

[red willow]

Holy hell

M blastoise after one shell smash in the rain just shreds with spout lol

As a tornadus kyogre degenerate enjoyer scarf peli and m blastoise are as close as Im getting this format ig lol

[brisk crater]

Fake out

Basc should lowk be mystic water and incin or sneasler would slot so well here

[red willow]

Lol led m blastoise sinistcha against sneasler froslass and instead of clicking blizzard they tried to tbolt blastoise

Rage powder moment

So I get off shell smash with full health and proceed to switch in peli for sinistcha and just click the big spout button lmao

[minor geyser]

Isn't speedy mega dragonite the optimal build??

[mighty stump]

Why SpA Basc

[mighty stump]

ehh

I mean

I tried max max modest

I just think Dnite’s damage output is depressing

[minor geyser]

I am sort of annoyed because I keep running into bulky mega dragonite.

It just makes trick room worse for me

Ok I think the game is just trolling me at this point

[mighty stump]

I think most Dnites would be bulky

[dull ibex]

isnt dnite naturally bulky?

[mighty stump]

Yeah but its playing in a crowded speed tier so you either be faster or be fatter

[dull ibex]

I might try bulk

[dusky falcon]

im just dropping this here cause im enjoying not having to face indeedee armarouge, thank u

https://x.com/flashterrr/status/2044139425928536238?s=46&t=Gsoul3R9LcIje7gy9gZsag

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/vgcdata/status/2043338043365412924?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

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X · Apr 12, 2026, 2:38 PM

[red willow]

I like how all 5 of my other mons are on top use stats

Then theres a fat water turtle

I was gonna say wtf am I supposed to do against rotom wash tho but I guess sinistcha walls and chomp kills lol

[minor geyser]

I kinda wish we had more pokemon since incineroar is everywhere

[red willow]

Im considering low kick on gambit solely for incin

Does it 1 shot after defiant buff?

[minor geyser]

And now I don't mean "need counter" as in team variations is mostly tgat top 5

[red willow]

Yeah idk oddly nothing Ive played against felt unbeatable to the point of needing bans/nerfs imo

So thats a rare tpc w lol

[dull ibex]

Mega Floette might need some nerfs

[minor geyser]

+1 252+ Atk Kingambit Low Kick (80 BP) vs. 228 HP / 92 Def Incineroar: 152-180 (76.3 - 90.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

If you run into any with some bulk, low kick isn't enough

[red willow]

Idk why im tripping when Im playing water spout m blastoise as my main threat lmao

And have w ball pelipper as well lol

Prolly dont need to tech low kick

Why does any content with blastoise get a million comments saying BIG MAN BLASTOISE in all caps

Is it one of those memees?

[dull ibex]

Which do yall prefer

[minor geyser]

Bss or doubles? After being decimated by bulk DNite, I have to say for doubles that speed isn't the best anymore.

[dull ibex]

what kinda bulk should i be running

also this is for vgc

[minor geyser]

Just as an observation perspective, SpDef bulk

In Ultra tier where I am at right now, I am seeing alot of farigiraf, mimikyu or sinistcha using trick room

[pearl wind]

😓

[red willow]

Lmaooooo rolled sleep on oppos sinistcha with sneasler ggs

[pearl wind]

opponent was at 1900, please expect something other than flip turn T1

[split stone]

I somehow reached master ball tier

Once I tried with an actual competition team no fun at all

Fuuuuuuuuuuck there is a champion tier

I will definitely not reach the champion tier

[dull ibex]

Maybe 1UK3 was right about espeed on dnite

[split stone]

If I don't get to champion tier before the ranks reset I will never get there when I will just stay in pokeball tier just so I can have fun battling

[dull ibex]

How high up in masterball are you?

[split stone]

I just got to master ball tier

Rank 4

[dull ibex]

What's your elo in curious

I'm doing pretty dogshit myself

[earnest rapids]

Rude

[bold geode]

@split stone your rental was deleted cuz you did not follow the format of #rental_teams
Appreciate you sharing stuff but plz in the future follow the guidelines

[dull ibex]

Why is that rude? I asked his elo not what's in his bank account

[pearl wind]

[split stone]

IDK

[earnest rapids]

Not everyone wants to share elo

[dull ibex]

That's up to him not you lmao

[earnest rapids]

It's a privacy thing

[bold geode]

I don't think that's really rude

[dull ibex]

Fair enough

[bold geode]

What's your ELO

[dull ibex]

Monke I'm hovering 1700 which I think isn't God awful

[bold geode]

On the Champs ladder?

[dull ibex]

My goal is to peak at 1900 if that's even for me

[bold geode]

Don't that start off at like 1800

[dull ibex]

I lost alot at first

[bold geode]

Lol

[earnest rapids]

My game is gitching

It hasn't progressed in 5 minutes

[bold geode]

I'm 1800 something
My peak was like
1884

[dull ibex]

I'll catch up to you eventually

I mess with this rain team

[split stone]

I don't know where you would beable to find it anyway

[bold geode]

So where you go to start matchmaking where it says master ball it should tell you

It's the numbers

[pearl wind]

this screen

[bold geode]

Yeah
The ELO is the rating for context

[pearl wind]

i hope we can buy her clothes soon or at least get like her haircut or something

[split stone]

1,489.475

[earnest rapids]

Nobody has over 1m

[chrome knot]

she is so chopped gamg

[bold geode]

It's probably 1,489.475

Which is a bit low
I thought it started at 1800

[dull ibex]

Not bad keep trying!

Masterball is fun imo

[pearl wind]

i got placed at 1750 i believe

[bold geode]

Does the rating scale based off your WL getting into master ball?

[earnest rapids]

This is sensitive info btw

[dull ibex]

Funny enough ultra ball was easy for me

[bold geode]

What's your ELO

[earnest rapids]

Don't spam messages

[bold geode]

[dull ibex]

What's your ELO

[bold geode]

What's your ELO and what's your mother's maiden name

[dull ibex]

her maiden is nonya

[gentle crag]

redstonejesus has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[dull ibex]

WHAT

[pearl wind]

gimme this

[bold geode]

Red y'know why it did that

[split stone]

But I just want to have fun with my battles. But I have to use the meta to even get wins which isn't fun at all

[bold geode]

Nya

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to redstonejesus

[dull ibex]

oh lmao

btw chat im closing in on 55 hours in champions

[chrome knot]

i have less than 20

[dull ibex]

what are you using rn

[dull ibex]

what do you want ot use?

[bold geode]

I have a friend that's kinda stimky

[split stone]

Everything

[dull ibex]

well to be fair you are playing ranked in a competitive focused game

you could try casuals and see if you can win there

I need to get an aerodactyl

[split stone]

That why when the ranks reset I'm gonna stay in pokeball tier. So I can have some fun with a bunch of different pokemon

And Casual isn't any better when its still competitive there

[dull ibex]

fair enough

[real prairie]

Hit 1900

[pearl wind]

[craggy dagger]

niceeee

[chrome knot]

stimky lol

[craggy dagger]

nuh uh

[chrome knot]

yuh huh

[craggy dagger]

nope

[chrome knot]

awesome sauce bruh

[spiral zealot]

bro doesn't know about levitate 😭

[atomic mural]

https://giphy.com/gifs/slovakia-communism-socialist-XFaeLrHJGjtcmEmzcn

[chrome knot]

definitely did they put chomp next to hydreigon idk

also revealed scarf lmao

[spiral zealot]

would yall believe i won this one

[pearl wind]

yes

glimm is way too big btw

[spiral zealot]

how else would they fit all the nutritious vitamins inside

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[cyan smelt]

0 iq play

[rare drift]

Question, if I use trickroom then the opponent uses trickroom does that reverse it and just make the field regular again?

[craggy dagger]

yes

[earnest rapids]

You seriously had to ask that

[rare drift]

?

[earnest rapids]

Obviously it cancels out

[rare drift]

You frl gonna act that way about asking a simple question? Its my first time using a trick room team and I had that interaction earlier. It surprised me. God forbid we learn something😭

[cyan smelt]

Yeah it's common if you want to avoid tr going up to use tr yourself, also if you have two mons with tr, you can reset it by both using tr on the last turn

[bold geode]

Yes it does

[bold geode]

Also some people don't know these things so please don't be rude

[craggy dagger]

i’ve spotted a Stimky

[bold geode]

Quit looking in the mirror

[rare drift]

That interesting. I thought it would be like tailwind where its like "oh they have this now"

[craggy dagger]

so you’re implying we’re the same person then

[bold geode]

No
YOU'RE STINKY

[cyan smelt]

Yeah if you can predict mons protecting on the last turn you can reset tr

[rare drift]

I'll keep this in mind going forward

[dull ibex]

if i swap out an uburden mon

will it keep the speed doubling when it comes back out?

[red willow]

Man this mega blastoise team is tearing it up lol

[cyan smelt]

Yep as long as it's lost its item

[red willow]

6-0 so far

[bold geode]

Loses it

[red willow]

Clicking water spout at full health after shell smash makes me wanna pukey

In the best way possible

[cyan smelt]

Oh ignore me

[bold geode]

The Unburden boost only stays active as long as you stay on the field

[red willow]

Bonus points if rain is up lol

[cyan smelt]

Budget kyogre

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/cae1a4ed857a545b what do you think of my team btw

[craggy dagger]

i am not

[craggy dagger]

no
it loses it…
treat it kind of like +2 speed

on a setup move

[bold geode]

It's alright

[bold geode]

I can smell you thru my phone

[dull ibex]

should i ditch the dnite and patch a match up?

[bold geode]

Do you have bad MUs?

[dull ibex]

maybe floette?

[craggy dagger]

that’s a nice team :o

[earnest rapids]

What's the team?

[craggy dagger]

click the link
it’s right there

[earnest rapids]

^

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/cae1a4ed857a545b what do you think of my team btw

[craggy dagger]

well if you have them blocked then i guess you can’t lol

[bold geode]

Why are you interacting with someone you blocked LOL

[craggy dagger]

that’s on you

[foggy lodge]

i say we should all block @dull ibex because of being a #nerd

jk red you are cool

[bold geode]

I can get behind that

No he's not cool, fuck red

[dull ibex]

I should block monke honestly

[craggy dagger]

we should all block monke cuz he stinky

[bold geode]

Yeah honestly fuck him

[foggy lodge]

#BANMONKE

[bold geode]

On God

Mods, ban Monke

[dull ibex]

now this is a ban I could get behind

[chrome knot]

@bold geode everyone on scarf adapt basc on rain & scarf rotom is enjoying it

[bold geode]

Scarf Rotom is baller

[foggy lodge]

91😨

[bold geode]

I also don't know about Scarf on Rain

[foggy lodge]

what else does it outspeed?

[bold geode]

Like sure I guess?

[foggy lodge]

does it putspeed aerodactyl

[chrome knot]

bc no tera makes basc hit like meh

[foggy lodge]

I feel like it should right

[chrome knot]

adapt scarf is very good im just better into it lmao

[craggy dagger]

scarf rotom…?

[bold geode]

What is Aerod final speed

[foggy lodge]

200

[chrome knot]

scarf washing machine !

[craggy dagger]

are you on max speed i assume

[foggy lodge]

Like Mega Gengar

[bold geode]

Oh yeah it can

[foggy lodge]

my scarf pelipper is slower than aerodactyl🫠

[craggy dagger]

just barely, no?

i made a stupid team what do we think

https://pokepast.es/af639eadc9722f62

[bold geode]

Modest should hit 138 at max speed

Which hits like

[craggy dagger]

207

[bold geode]

Yeah 207

[craggy dagger]

that’s faster than i thought

pokemon rounds down right?

[dull ibex]

monke wanna do a set on showdown? or busy at work?

[chrome knot]

this what i using

might cut tr for moonblast

[noble hatch]

have been trying to make a mega alakazam team but damn if it isnt hard without indeedee

[craggy dagger]

is dark move on incin better than like
protect or smth cuz it’s a weird no item situation?

[bold geode]

I'm sitting at Modest 131 so I'm just creeping Scarf Adamant Basc

[chrome knot]

i just like rhe coverage

[craggy dagger]

thas fair

[bold geode]

Also no Trick?

[chrome knot]

nah ive been liking all rhe moves here

being locked into wisp isn’t bad when u can go right to incin after

and never have to trade off ur scarf

[tired echo]

what do you guys think about this? Lucario is supposed to have justified but it wasnt an option on pikalytics...Strategy is to lead maushold and someone else, then either use a move to switch out the partner or just hard switch to Lucario, trigger justified then mega evolve it

IVs I was just messing with to see what I could get to outspeed maushold

[red willow]

Why on earth would someone think I would fakeout on sneasler if they lead hawlucha excadrill

Clearly we are unga bunga ccing the excadrill lol

And rocksliding on chomp to ko

If it is sash

(It was)

[bold geode]

I see
Best I got for that is Sinistcha but I guess that's not too bad

[chrome knot]

FLARE BLITZ

[bold geode]

NUH UH

[chrome knot]

KABOOM

[real prairie]

Run it with meowstics prankster psychic terrain no?

[dull ibex]

is mega garde a decent substitute for floette?

I don't have za and Can't see myself buying it now

[noble hatch]

thats what ive been doing the problem though is that fake out has higher priority than prankster

and there are.... alot of fake out users rn

[real prairie]

Sadj

[cyan smelt]

That's good to know, if i ever see meowstic i am double targeting it

Fake out + kowtow

[real prairie]

Scarf Farig?

[noble hatch]

hmmm havent considered scarf farig

normally i have scarf on weavile so he can outspeed scarf garchomp

[dull ibex]

thoughts on this before i ladder?

[chrome knot]

ur gardevoir

[dull ibex]

what about it

[atomic portal]

maybe chople or sitrus on maus

with that set everything would just go into everything but attack, so if ur investing bulk how often is ur sash gonna pop

[chrome knot]

u dont rly have the mons to support cm

[dull ibex]

its a stand in for floette

[chrome knot]

u dont rly have the mons to support cm floette

[dull ibex]

I have follow me lmao

[chrome knot]

no stat reduction, fake out, status

[dull ibex]

meh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7GRgCMSpSk

maybe I Should max spa and hp

[bold geode]

I got one of those LMAO

[strange fjord]

Testing out some random team ideas and got this funny out of context screenshot

[lost sun]

do u have a Mimikyu named sylveon

[strange fjord]

No i do not

[dull ibex]

Im 1-2 with this team

Lmao

[winter fox]

Quick Claw Lucario into Extreme Speed?!

Where am I?

[polar canyon]

If I were a pokemon I would lowkey have unaware as my ability

[polar canyon]

I would assume one sylveon is a zoroark

[earnest rapids]

Zoroark is not immune to dragon claw smh

[strange fjord]

interesting

Then what exactly happened in the battle?

[cyan smelt]

I was watching a game on showdown with noivern and it frisked a whimsicott and it said it was holding a mental herb?????

[shadow wind]

I’d have drought

Just saying

[cyan smelt]

I'd have simple

Or moody

[earnest rapids]

Victory star

[knotty mirage]

Wait master ball rank 1 exist all this time ?

[spiral zealot]

it does now
the first week of each season is going to have MB4 as the highest rank

[knotty mirage]

I see damn i thought the master ball rank tier is just for the visual

[tired echo]

Did they release the higher ranks already? do we know the conditions?

[earnest rapids]

^master ball 4 is the highest

No higher ranks were released

[tired echo]

wolfe is currently streaming in rank 1 masterball

[knotty mirage]

Yeah that's why i'm asking here

I seen the stream and it have master ball tier rank 1 now

[earnest rapids]

@spiral zealot you just lied

You told everyone master ball 4 was highest but others have master ball 1

[knotty mirage]

Oh huh champions tier also already exist now wolfie just got into that tier

[tired echo]

is he top 250?

[knotty mirage]

Yeah seem's to be the case he's pushing for top 1 that is

[chrome knot]

rain players are a cancer

drool and press buttons archetype

[cyan smelt]

Have u come across rain perish yet

[chrome knot]

no thats alot more favourable

than cancer arch dnite where rock slide magically misses dnite twice and sneasler dies bc of it

[cyan smelt]

Pain

[chrome knot]

i love low power vgc

means garbage players can win by spamming buttons bc i have to rely on inconsistencies

ts is so tiring i hate that it keeps crawling back as an addiction bc for some reason the back of my mind wants to attend another regional

for the inevitable disappointment lmao

[noble hatch]

considering the low power in current format, you guys think itd be possible to make clangorous soul kommo-o work?

[rare drift]

Honestly with the right set-up? Probably

[lost sun]

ye

[knotty mirage]

It probably still little bit harder too pull off

Due too something like mega froslass and mega floette

[rare drift]

But the amount of fairies ran rn would probably make it difficult

[noble hatch]

i mean could probably just pair it with mega lucario?

[rare drift]

Oh and ofc the zar and other flyers

[lost sun]

isn't there just 2 fairies being used

[lost sun]

air slash is kinda rare on zard

[rare drift]

Frl?

Then they deserve to be Clanged

[lost sun]

not the most common move on it but I think it's probably the 5th

[noble hatch]

its more likely to get air slashed from mega dragonite right?

[lost sun]

hurricane but ye

[noble hatch]

or hurricane yeah

[rare drift]

I did say other flyers not just zar but it could just be a fun strategy to try

[noble hatch]

but what moves would you use on kommo-o? clang, drain punch, protect and what else?

[lost sun]

pretty sure most people use it as a special attacker

[knotty mirage]

Just becareful with surprise fairy coverage

[noble hatch]

only real fairies i see are mimikyu and floette

[lost sun]

cus it's signature move is a special attack and intimidate

[winter fox]

Just wait until demon deer becomes legal

[knotty mirage]

I mean isn't like the big reason komo uses alot on SV is because of tera

[rare drift]

Noone is running Sylveon?

[noble hatch]

i think ive seen like 2?

[rare drift]

I do with hyper voice pixelete

[knotty mirage]

Sylveon is kinda niche

[rare drift]

Item fairy feather and its come in clutch so many times

[noble hatch]

but mega lucario outspeeds all the fairies in the format rn right?

[knotty mirage]

There's just better option that's prolly the reason not many people uses it

[rare drift]

I run it on a trickroom team

[zinc edge]

Have y'all seen exploding starmie 🤣

[rare drift]

So no

[lost sun]

someone did that to me and lost cus of it

pretty sure they would've won if they didn't

[winter fox]

Serious question tho, when restricted mons come into Champions do you think they will be recruitable or do you think it will be only be transferable via the main series games?

[rare drift]

Most likley main series

[zinc edge]

Everything is recruitable yeah ?

[rare drift]

Like with what we have seen with floette

[noble hatch]

wait no whimsicott outspeeds mega lucario

but thats the only one

[rare drift]

I'll be more then happy to be wrong tho

[knotty mirage]

I presume they just gonna add something like vip recruit who need more ticket to actually pull

[rare drift]

Love this idea actually

[winter fox]

Because like I think there was gameplay where Urshifu was recruitable.

[knotty mirage]

Or legendary would be available too recruit just super rare too actually see

Like shiny pokemon

[winter fox]

Love this idea. Hopefully it's easy to obtain and not an irl purchase

[zinc edge]

Does anyone have an archaladon I need one desperately and a basulegion male

I don't have s/v dlc so I can't get my own archaladon

[wild knot]

Its a thing but idk legendaries https://vxtwitter.com/luixens/status/2042889867055530241

Luixen (@LuixenS)

Are you looking for a specific Pokemon in Pokemon Champions?

When you recruit new Pokémon you can use Tickets (that can be obtained via achievement and quests) to secure at least 3 Pokémon of that type to appear.

There are tickets for each type! Good luck recruiting 🙏🏻

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 11, 2026, 8:57 AM

[dull ibex]

I've spoken to multiple people about this

I can indeed slot in garde instead of floettee

[knotty mirage]

I'm talking about later on if they actually add restricted mon

[dull ibex]

it just wont be as good

[knotty mirage]

Someone ask if those restricted mon will be available on the ranch or no

[wild knot]

you were mentioning VIP tickets so

[knotty mirage]

I mean something like vip recruit maybe they will add legendary but on seperate recruitment and need more resource too actually pull

[earnest rapids]

I looked at the team and wow, of all 6 slots, only one of them is holding an item that is in the game...

[winter fox]

One thing I'm hoping they do is add a separate ranked ladder for people that want to play with regular mons

[lean storm]

I feel like I'm playing like crap tonoght

I've been on a 4 game losing streak

[red willow]

Super glad I found my niche mega to abuse

[cyan smelt]

Which one

[red willow]

Blastoise on a 10 game winstreak lol

[cyan smelt]

Oh yeah water spout memes sound funny

[red willow]

It is very funny

Especially post shell smash in the rain

[cyan smelt]

Next to sinistcha with life dew

[red willow]

Yee and rage powder more importantly so we dont eat those pesky electric attacks lol

If the coast is clear tho we can lead scarf peli and set up tw and then switch out to sinistch

[cyan smelt]

Aura sphere for arch and dark pulse for basc

[red willow]

Honeslty I think basic is frail enough that +2 spout at full health MIGHT do it in rain

[cyan smelt]

Do you even bother with fake out on stoise

[red willow]

Naw fam

We are absolutely sending it with the toise

[cyan smelt]

Protect, water spout, shell smash, random coverage

[red willow]

I did have protect for a min but hear me out

Post shell smash

And tw

You outspeed almost everything with max investment

[cyan smelt]

Just watch out for mega meganium

Or encore from whims

[red willow]

So my set is currently aura sphere ice beam water spout and d pulse lol

Yeah for sure

I usually dont lead stoise against encore mons in general

Sinistcha has been stupid good with it tho

[cyan smelt]

Redirection always good

[red willow]

And we pack sneasler almost exclusively for m meganium and gambit purposes lol

Does dire claw 1 shot?

Havemt run into one yet but I imagine it would at 4x

[cyan smelt]

Mega meganium?

[red willow]

Yee

[cyan smelt]

Yeah it's got no chance against dire claw

[red willow]

Nice lol

Good to know I have options against it rather than just eating solar beam to the dome

I guess hurricane from peliper in tw outspeeds and is super effective too

[cyan smelt]

I need to see if gambit iron head ohkos because i don't want to be eating a weather ball

[red willow]

But doubt that kos

I feel like the extra point of hp we got "for free" really matters sometimes in calcs some are razor thin lol

[cyan smelt]

Yeah yesterday i had a game where sneasler and mega kang lived on 1hp

[red willow]

Oof those are always wild

[cyan smelt]

I enjoy rock slide sneasler

[red willow]

Had a game where my oppos chomp lived max power last respects at 1 percent lol

Thank god we also have aqua jet

[cyan smelt]

And sucker punch

[lean storm]

I just saw a guy thunder wave his own milotic in trick room so that he could be faster, then proceeds to get paralyzed the next turn. Funniest thing I've seen in a hot minute

[red willow]

Yeah my current rain team unfortunately cant really afford to run basc or I totally would def top 5 mon of the format lol

[cyan smelt]

Parental bond sucker punch has been clutch for clinching some kos

[red willow]

Yeah I kinda wanna try out kang at some point I just havent had a spare mega slot for it yet

Seems real good tho

Damn gambit kinda stronk

[cyan smelt]

I'm barely using double edge but parental bond low kick is goated, first hit gets rid of chople, second hit kos gambit and ttar

[red willow]

Not v effective sucker punch killing m gyra from 35ish percent after defiant lol

[cyan smelt]

Gambit is crazy good

[red willow]

Yeah love thst big blue guy on his chair

[cyan smelt]

He's the king for a reason

[red willow]

Lol I wish I didnt need shiny sneasler to finish out shinies for my team

[zinc edge]

I need a basculegion M and archaladon if anyone can help please dm

[red willow]

I can help with the arch for sure

[cyan smelt]

Try the trading channels

[lean storm]

Dude

[zinc edge]

@red willow please 🙏

[red willow]

Have like 35 metal alloys from item machine in sv lmao

[lean storm]

I don't understand, why is it that I'm playing like buns

[cyan smelt]

Take a break

Don't play through tilt

[zinc edge]

I don't have s/v dlc so literally impossible for me to get an arch

I'm in vc if anyone wants to join btw and talk strat maybe do some practice battles

[lean storm]

I just feel rlly crummy cause I got this rental team that looked cool but it's netted me two wins so far and like 7 losses, I spent all my VP on it

I just wanna get bang for my buck ig

[red willow]

Not home atm out at gfs lemme get back to town and can get you arch

[cyan smelt]

What's the team? Maybe we can help you make improvements

[zinc edge]

Bet I'll be in the VC just join or dm me when your available @red willow

[lean storm]

Mega crab with GKing TR

[cyan smelt]

Do you have a pokepaste or in game screenshot

[zinc edge]

Who's your trick room setter ?

[lean storm]

Look at pokeaims latest vid

[lean storm]

Sinistcha and gkijg

[zinc edge]

The 2 best tr setters in the format are mimikyu and farigaraf because they can protect themselves to guarantee a setup

[lean storm]

Hmm

[red willow]

Ive also seen bulky oranguru get moderate success thing lives hits like a tank

[lean storm]

I've been using GKing for the chilly reception so that crab can get the defense boost, maybe using giraffe is the play since it blocks prio

[red willow]

Farig is crazy good

[zinc edge]

Mimikyu also survives priority and can't get fake flinched by anything that doesn't have scrappy

[red willow]

Oranguru also cannot be fake outed fwiw

[lean storm]

I think I need full prio block on my team

[red willow]

But Id go farig in most cases

[zinc edge]

Yeah farig and mimikyu are my go to for trick room setters atm

[lean storm]

Hear me out

[zinc edge]

They also hit the field together very nicely

[lean storm]

Mental herb, trick room, imprison, helping hand, protect

[steel citrus]

i find using mons that are in the mid speed range which have spread moves useful against the TR meta setter

[cyan smelt]

What are you losing to most?

[lean storm]

Fire moves lowk

[zinc edge]

You should try out the team I've had great success with it destroys sun teams which is probably the most meta atm

[cyan smelt]

Seems like sun tr is a big problem for this team and also mega zard y

[lean storm]

What team?

[zinc edge]

One sec I'll drop a pic

Gotta open champions

[cyan smelt]

I'm destroying mega zard y with rock slide sneasler

[lean storm]

I mean I've been having good success with the cybertron team

[lost sun]

people don't expect it I saw a kang with rockslide once

[steel citrus]

I just got to MB with this team

Just got to MB with this team

[red willow]

For the life of me I cannot figure out why the person that theorycrafted the team Im using from wasnt on shell smash lmao

[lost sun]

y mega garchomp

[cyan smelt]

Depending on how much i use double edge i might replace it

[lean storm]

Kang with rock slide is dangerous

[steel citrus]

good bait i suppose for other during selection phase

[lean storm]

Two chances for flinch

[cyan smelt]

Two chances to hit too

[lost sun]

body slam could be nice since it's 2 30% chances to para

[cyan smelt]

I like this

[lost sun]

they can't see that it's mega tho and other items would just be better

[lean storm]

You got a rental?

[red willow]

What da shell bell doin on peli

[steel citrus]

its pretty easy to guess though cuz other available mega option on my team is delphox and its not as popular

[lost sun]

hardly anyone uses mega chomp cus it's worse than normal chomp with a good item

[steel citrus]

yea i dont usually lead with it

[red willow]

Mega delphox is prolly miles ahead of usage of mega chomp friendo lol

[lost sun]

I promise u no one thinks that's mega chomp

[zinc edge]

The shell bell was on sinis but I swapped their items for a test lol @red willow

[steel citrus]

hmm what? i dont see a single one climbing to masterball lol

[red willow]

A fast sweeper that counters sneasler? Or....? Slower chomp? Lol

[surreal echo]

https://giphy.com/gifs/focusfeatures-pharrell-piece-by-V1U3L8rvZSSVLbHEv7

[steel citrus]

draga psychic fangs , thats what i run

[lost sun]

aerodactyl

[red willow]

I mean like

[cyan smelt]

Scarf chomp is better i promise

[red willow]

Why not just lefties if u want healing

Shell bell requires big dmg

[cyan smelt]

White herb is also a decent option on chomp

[surreal echo]

https://pokepast.es/448478db62cd727b Thoughts on this team? Currently stuck at 1900 elo in master ball

[steel citrus]

well it works for me to climb to mb so i guess ill change when is not working ....

[mighty stump]

Only thoughts would be speed control related

[surreal echo]

i mean I've honestly seen worse in mb, ever seen body press mega dragonite?

[zinc edge]

Because matcha gatcha plus shell bell can heal to almost full if even one of them hits for neutral @red willow

[polar canyon]

What does psyshock ko that psychic doesn't?

[mighty stump]

I think I prefer Sub vs CM cause you can deal with Kingambit a bit better - Bulldoze Chomp with Scarf unless WHerb is working out for you

[dense latch]

imo white herb is more valuable on sneasler than on garchomp

[red willow]

Naw Im not knocking just offering alternative

[mighty stump]

Yeah

[lean storm]

I've flinched a guy three times in a row with garchomp

[dense latch]

gives you an easier way to proc unburden

[red willow]

But yeah ify

[zinc edge]

How do I set it up to be a rental team

[surreal echo]

eh, I find that white herb doesn't really come up a lot so I'll try that. Calm mind has honestly helped me quite a bit though, particularly in the floette and sun matchup

[mighty stump]

Fair enough. I assume Psyshock is for Zard Y and Floette

[surreal echo]

yeah

[red willow]

Help me cook guys

[zinc edge]

@lean storm how do I set it up to be a rental

[red willow]

Espartha getd calm mind speed boost and baton pass

What we doin w dat

[cyan smelt]

singles aahhhh moveset

[polar canyon]

That's 2 idle turns isn't it

[lean storm]

It's in the training section and replica teams I think

[polar canyon]

Pretty hard to pull that off

[surreal echo]

I honestly like sash on sneasler, I feel like this team doesn't struggle into incin at all

[red willow]

Sash sneasler is the truth

[surreal echo]

i mean I guess being faster is nice

[polar canyon]

Doesn't look like it does

[red willow]

So many things that woulda killed my boy

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/cb838252c50565a5

i changed the incin spread

[dense latch]

this is the main thing i feel

[polar canyon]

I usually keep low kick on gambit for mirrors

[dense latch]

because you lack speed control

[zinc edge]

@lean storm there ya go it's only bad matchup really is archaladon rain teams

[lean storm]

Thank u

[gentle crag]

pepsibram has given 1 Gen Rep to darkxchroma

[surreal echo]

true

[red willow]

Tailroom feels real good this format

[surreal echo]

EV spreads also could do with a little refining as well

[cyan smelt]

lmfao i'm watching a game with rotom and garchomp vs torkoal and gardevoir and garde just traced levitate

[red willow]

Like pick your poison type situation lol

[zinc edge]

Yeah the cool thing about the rain team I just shared is that it has both trick room and tailwind and feels good doing both

[red willow]

Yeah I have that on my rain team too im even cheesing with scarf peli for almost priority tw

[polar canyon]

What poison type are you picking

Ill take glimmora

[red willow]

Sneasler duh

[mighty stump]

I think faster Rotom for wisps?

[zinc edge]

If sun team Venusaur every other team sneasler 🤣

[polar canyon]

I like 9 spd rotom

[torn parrot]

Wait what’s going on I got pinged

[surreal echo]

yeah, lowkey copied rotom's spread from wolfey's froslass video cause I was lazy

[polar canyon]

I actually forgot what it outspeeds lol something with tw

Or was it something with -1 speed

[surreal echo]

how much speed would you recommend running?

[polar canyon]

But I do use that same rotom spread

[dull ibex]

tofu did you see the new garde team im using or did it get buried

[torn parrot]

Awwww im sorry that happened

It’s okay you’ll make a funnier account name next time

[red willow]

Now I know what all the hubub about shell smash was about

Move is dumb as hell

[polar canyon]

I've faced shell smash a grand total of twice so far

And both got one shot idk what that's about

[zinc edge]

I've faced it once and got destroyed by their clefable Blastoise lead

[red willow]

Yeah Im gambling and using sinistcha instead of a follow me mon

Its just the healing and tr are too good to give up

[lean storm]

Incineroars never run wisp

Like they run it once a blue moon

[zinc edge]

Does anyone want to hop in vc ?

[red willow]

Im not home or id be down

[cyan smelt]

does spicy spray still burn if i use rock slide

[lean storm]

Ye

[cyan smelt]

annoying

[lean storm]

It burns the attacker no matter what

[cyan smelt]

might have to switch to rock slide kang then

[zinc edge]

I desperately need masculegion and archaladon if anyone has spares

Yes I said masculegion because I need the male one 🤣🙏

[lean storm]

My burned -2 sneasler is putting in WORK

Nvm

[red willow]

Just give it guts as a 3rd ability

For balance

[lean storm]

I need ursaluna back

I need the big guns

[red willow]

Lol I just wanna heavy slam stuff with shiny mega metagross I feel your pain

[cyan smelt]

u have mega aggron and u will like it

[lean storm]

I think I will

Do u have a mega aggron team

[atomic mural]

can still 2 shot kingambits btw

[cyan smelt]

nope

[lean storm]

I would love to use The Wall TM

[red willow]

He slower than dogwater so I might start there lol

[lean storm]

Double dance

[red willow]

I think you just iron defense and body press right?

[lean storm]

Yeah

[red willow]

Lol

[cyan smelt]

run it with sinistcha for life dew

[lean storm]

Okay what the hell am I running into

I just saw tailwind scale shot dnite

[zinc edge]

I feel like those off meta teams are more terrifying tbh

[lean storm]

I could use some of those lowk

Anti meta and off meta are perfect

I wanna crush the competition with something they don't expect

[bold geode]

True
I just gotta get Nike Air Fryer to #1

[zinc edge]

I ran one team that had trick room/tailwind rain/sandstorm it was fun as hell

[cyan smelt]

mega aggron is so tanky

[lean storm]

Bro the same guy is running TR mega glim

With strength sap sinistcha

That's actually not a bad idea

[sudden remnant]

why would you use ddance Wall

[lean storm]

Idk

[cyan smelt]

it's hard trying to predict what item is on basc, if it's scarf or sash

[red willow]

Mystic water

🤣

[cyan smelt]

who runs that

[zinc edge]

Can anyone trade me that fish 🤣

[red willow]

Try the trade channel maybehaps?

[cyan smelt]

lemme check my home to see if i have it, i'll have lunch first though

[zinc edge]

Can anyone do a union room to help me evolve this finizen for someone

[rustic mountain]

isnt really a trading channel dude id check out #1040555642668199936

[zinc edge]

I did those channels are dead 🤣

[sudden remnant]

ahem

[sudden remnant]

patience is a virtue

[cyan smelt]

I can get around mega scovillian's ability by using skeledirge

[red willow]

I like how m blastoise solved both my teams issues

My mega before (dnite) just could never ko half the meta with a neutral draco so I was like what is the point lol

[dull ibex]

what are my goto leads with sand btw

[red willow]

And I didnt have spread dmg outside matcha gatcha

Lemme tell ya

Water spout is some decent spread dmg

Prolly ttar drill? Or ttar chomp maybe if you are expecting zard y?

Usually*

But I mean any lead can vary dependant on oppos mons IMO

[dull ibex]

im not running chomp

[red willow]

Ah I got ya

[dull ibex]

I've been looking for an aggressive team with some bulk

I think fits that nicely

[cyan smelt]

no item acro talonflame seems interesting

[supple citrus]

I like running a support mon alongside a beneficiary of sand (like Incin and Excadrill). Then, swap out the support mon for the setter in the first two turns

For example, I may fake out one mon while protecting the Excadril. Then, swap to TTar on turn 2

It delays your weather and the sand rush boost from the swap allows you to land a surprise OHKO on a vulnerable offensive mon (like OHKOing Zard when TTar swaps in)

[dull ibex]

gotcha

[spiral zealot]

no item Acrobatics gives you a range to KO mega meganium (0 defense) which is interesting

that is higher damage than Sharp Beak Dual Wingbeat

which is 77.4-92.9%

[cyan smelt]

should i run weather ball on a9 to hit incin in the rain

with a9

icy wind is better right

[molten oasis]

Icy wind is always better

Hold on a9 has weather ball?

[molten oasis]

When did it get weather bal???

[cyan smelt]

No idea must be new

[next dust]

Am I crazy or wasn't aggronite in champions shop like this morning?

[spiral zealot]

all of the mega stones besides Floette, the Kalos starters, and the ones you get from the tutorial should be in the shop

[next dust]

It's not there and I don't own it. Weird

[spiral zealot]

it's one of the ones you get from the Mega Evolution tutorial
so if you go complete that it'll give it to you
(i would have said this to begin with but i had to check first)

[cyan smelt]

It's had weather ball since swsh

[next dust]

Ahhhhh I haven't done those

[spiral zealot]

they literally take like 30 seconds each

[next dust]

Yeah but I didn't need the information so I ignored it

[spiral zealot]

yeah i figured
just letting you know it wont be too annoying to knock it out real quick

[next dust]

I am thanks for the info

[spiral zealot]

are people running Scarf on Kingambit?

cuz this guy i battled was either running Scarf or just could not fathom why Sucker Punch was not hitting my Aqua Jetting Basculegion

[red willow]

I cant put the glue down

Water spout bb

Shell smash blastoise feels like that garbage tier grappler in fighting games but if you execute the perfect combo they are auto dead lol

[cyan smelt]

Mega blastoise the lesser seen mega of the three kanto starters

[red willow]

They sleeping on shell smash trust

Oh no I did a close combat stat drop for a double buff to both actually relevant stats when cheesing an aoe attack

Lol

[cyan smelt]

I was watching showdown earlier and saw something wild, they predicted a double protect so they cced into their venusaur with sneasler to proc white herb

[red willow]

Nice lmao

[next dust]

I am no longer interested in winning.

Now it's all about how much the person regrets playing me

[red willow]

Can someone with a "generically good" rain team que up with me at some point tmmrow?

Like arch bascu peli etc

[cyan smelt]

Who runnin dat toxicroak

[real prairie]

like a private game? Can do

[cyan smelt]

Jack did u ever run toxicroak on rain

[real prairie]

I did not, power format for rain was always too high for Toxicroak

and if i wanted a fighting poison type, its just Sneasler tbh

[cyan smelt]

True

[real prairie]

accidentally brought a singles team into MB rank 1900 game 🙃

[torn parrot]

Awooooo loPUNNY

[lost sun]

does mega meganium ignore the spdef rise for rock types given by sandstorm

[sharp cobalt]

Excellent question, try it out

[cyan smelt]

why do people mega evolve then protect, can't you just protect normally

[ripe grail]

hello

[tranquil kraken]

Hi folks, the Champions discussion and rental teams channels has been archived. Discussion for VGC stays in this channel, and replica teams can now be posted in #replica_teams

[ripe grail]

to setup the weather in my case

[cyan smelt]

yeah but with mega delphox it makes no sense

[ripe grail]

ahh yes that’s true ☠️

am at 1860 rn …10 win streak

hope i dont lose 🙏

[cyan smelt]

woah goated win streak

[waxen dock]

Rentals are still relevant

There are still reg i events

[tranquil kraken]

We'll keep that visible until after the last supported format

[ripe grail]

yeahhh idk how am managing 💀

with the same team i went from 1760 to 1590…and now at 1860 haha

[cyan smelt]

I'm still working on my team in showdown

[stuck perch]

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[cyan smelt]

Sadly, good players will always find a way of getting tr up

[graceful scaffold]

where did champions discussion go

[cyan smelt]

Archived

[graceful scaffold]

damn so i have to hang out here? yuck /j

[cyan smelt]

Sorry if u can smell my sweat meme

[graceful scaffold]

nah its fine i never smell peoples sweat really except when my mum hugs me after a run sometimes or its a hot day on public transport lol

mega vic is awful right lol?

[cyan smelt]

I didn't know perth had public transport

Yeah mega vic is bad

[graceful scaffold]

its not the best coz our city is way too long (thats what she said)

but better than america at least

[cyan smelt]

What do u do if u want to hang out in freo

[graceful scaffold]

normally i drive lol but i would catch bus when i worked in freo

[cerulean nacelle]

"They're gonna use eruption torkoal under trickroom, FATHERRRRRR!!!"

[cerulean nacelle]

Also damn 10 win streak is very good. I think the most I reached was 8.

[lilac summit]

what do you think? i am new at this

[cerulean nacelle]

I think venusaur would probably prefer a weakness reducing berry perhaps.

Typically venusaurs use sash but since you're using sash whimsicott, maybe the flying resist berry I'd say.

[stuck perch]

😂🤣

[zinc edge]

I think I found my new team

It's OP AF

[daring jungle]

does wide guard have the same chance of failing as protect?

[leaden fox]

Nope

It can be spammed turn after turn, though I wish they did that to Wide Guard like Protect xD

[daring jungle]

damn, so encoring it does nothing

[daring jungle]

they should

[leaden fox]

I suspect Wide Guard won't be crazy seen atm; but once Restricted mons come about; then that'll see more play#

[daring jungle]

yeah, probably

[leaden fox]

Not looking forward to seeing Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon 🤣

[lost sun]

it would work to stop the Pokémon doing other stuff

[daring jungle]

true, but when you have an erupting torkoal and they have an encored wide guard gallade, theres a bit of a problem

[lost sun]

ye but rn the only choice item is scarf and Ur not using that on Torkoal

just focus the other Mon with weather ball

[daring jungle]

this slowking has got the burn off scald twice in one game

[lost sun]

happens

[daring jungle]

it was on my venu and whims

[leaden fox]

Just be glad that Pelipper no longer gets Scald 🤣

Thankfully burn on Special Attackers isn't overly bad

[daring jungle]

it definately feels like game freak have done some move balancing with this game at least

[lost sun]

special attackers are op rn u can't slow them down with stuff like av

[daring jungle]

yeah, i feel that

[cerulean nacelle]

Gotta love a dbz reference 🤣

[daring jungle]

just wait till the clear amulet and av are back in, then things will be different

[leaden fox]

Honestly still wish that instead of "Frozen" status, it was replaced with "Frostbite" status 😅 (Frostbite is the same effect as Burned status, but for Special Attackers)

[daring jungle]

from legends arceus right

[leaden fox]

correct

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah same. Having a special version of burn wouldve been cool. Arceus had it right.

[daring jungle]

definately prefer that over being frozen

[lost sun]

special moves tend to be weaker than physical moves
other than the signature moves like astral barrage ofc

[earnest rapids]

Wait until they add wq to the game

[leaden fox]

Some yeah, not all though 😅

[lost sun]

most are

[daring jungle]

wq?

[cerulean nacelle]

And now astral barrage is only the same BP as blizzard.

[earnest rapids]

I tried to sound smart by saying a random acronym that I don't know what means

[daring jungle]

lol fair

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh took me a while to know what afaik means

[leaden fox]

Why do I suspect once "Throat Spray" is back in the game, we'll see a lot of Hyper Voice plays 😂

[daring jungle]

cause we probably will

[leaden fox]

Though I somehow suspect we'll not get any more mons, etc until Season 3 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Kommo-o stonks will also rise.

[leaden fox]

Indeed so

[daring jungle]

id give it season 2, most of the missing megas will return

[cerulean nacelle]

Though tbh running lum berry with soundproof has worked well for me.

Can wake up from sleep powder and can block parting shot and sylveon hyper voice.

[supple latch]

Wait what, did Astral Barrage get nerfed?

[cerulean nacelle]

Down to 110 BP now.

[supple latch]

Oof

[leaden fox]

Only reason I say Season 3 is because the "Rent Pokémon" option is there until mid-June

[supple latch]

Was it 120 originally?

[cerulean nacelle]

A lot of moves got slight buffs or merfs.

Like good as gold is now 95% accurate.

Fishious rend is now 80BP.

[lost sun]

ye

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah.

[daring jungle]

so, i have mega zard in snow with weatherball and theres a chomp on the other side

[earnest rapids]

Due to every pokemon being set at level 50 and no evolved forms... is it possible to use the age-old strat of focus sash, endeavor, and priority attacking move?

[supple latch]

You mean Make it Rain for Good as Gold?

[cerulean nacelle]

Are you under tailwind? If not, that chomp outspeed you.

[cerulean nacelle]

Make it rain lol. My bad

[daring jungle]

nope, i outsped it somehow

[supple latch]

It’s all good.

[cerulean nacelle]

My favourite is that BM ursalunas blood moon went from 140 to 130

So it's now been nerfed to draco meteor levels.

[supple latch]

I though Fishious rend was originally 80bp

[cerulean nacelle]

85*

[supple latch]

Thank goodness. It’s still gonna be hard to get around, but at least I can try and rain my Pokémon to survive it

[gentle crag]

lightly.friendly has given 1 Gen Rep to diobrando8256

[earnest rapids]

I mean... BM still hits ghosts

[supple latch]

Not that big of a change, but learning from Pokémon, small changes are usually the biggest changes

[supple latch]

Yeah, u ain’t wrong

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah but that's not blood moon specifically, that's the stupidly good ability they also decided to give BM ursaluna.

[earnest rapids]

BM= bloodmoon ursaluna and not Bloodmoon move

[cerulean nacelle]

Dropping it down to 130 does make it hit less hard, especially if it's not in a terastal format where it used to abuse tera normal hyper voices or blood moon.

I'm aware.

[stuck perch]

Finally I made it out the trenches

https://tenor.com/view/ash-ketchum-hold-tear-gif-14652156978181679014

[supple latch]

I probs need to start grinding to get out myself

[daring jungle]

im still struggling to hit master4

[cerulean nacelle]

There's been some good buffs though.

First impression is 100BP now.

Trop kick got buffed (I don't remember by how much).

And other niche moves too.

[supple latch]

I gotta check some of those videos about it

[stuck perch]

Bruh I felt like I was in hell constantly getting bad match ups 😭. Then I had to pivot and make a trick room Mon for my sandstorm team

[cerulean nacelle]

Dudunsparce hyper drill is now 120 BP. Doesn't make the mon good but makes his attack stat more serviceable for like... draft.

[supple latch]

100BP First Impression means Mega Goli could hit insanely hard, as well as those with Tinted Lens

[leaden fox]

Now the next hard grind is Great into Ultra 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah lokix is gonna hit harder and if mega golisopod gets touch claws, it'll have a base 130 bug priority move.

[daring jungle]

yeah, i feel that

[earnest rapids]

First impression still seems kinda low for a move that can only be used on the first turn and wastes a moveslot afterwards... it doesn't even flinch like fake out

[red willow]

When will people stop trying to click a single target electric move into blastoise on a blastoise sinistcha lead lmaooooooo

[leaden fox]

Though do not know how; but I managed to hit Ultra from low tier on my "No HOME/Paid run" of Champions with only 4 losses overall 😅

[indigo coral]

I think First Impression is a move geared more towards BSS than VGC, and that's okay