#competitive_discussion

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dense latch
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no such thing as a left handed person

stone trellis
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Don't let them have it.

bold geode
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Real

shadow wind
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Just like British people

sudden remnant
shadow wind
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I'm from Canada so I unfortunately know they're real

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We learn fake french in schools

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
shadow wind
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Nah I'm western

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Pretty much as north western that I can get without being in BC or a territory

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Try not to doxx yourself challenge level impossible

sudden remnant
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lmao

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i dont even know what BC means so you’re safe from me

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i never paid attention in geography

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shit was the most boring excuse for school to waste another hour of my day then they already wasted

dense latch
sudden remnant
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ah

sudden remnant
shadow wind
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Literally

shadow wind
dense latch
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i thought abt going to uni there once

sudden remnant
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i forget british columbia exists

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i dont remember most of the canadian provinces

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bro chat my screen is blurring am i cooked

shadow wind
shadow wind
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Some good unis in Canada

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And I didn't go to any of them

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Education shmeducation

sudden remnant
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i left high school

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biggest waste of time in human history

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besides super bowl 2026 ig

shadow wind
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I don't control what my province does 😔

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I don't even know why they wanna leave Canada

craggy dagger
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damn

shadow wind
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Praying on my life it doesn't go through

rain grotto
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Dm me to battle reg I rules

rustic mountain
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bolt balance reigns supreme

molten oasis
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Paul Chua is also just, crazy good

dense latch
rustic mountain
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haha i saw that

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which like, tru paul plays the team extremely different a lot of times

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he played finals so well

molten oasis
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He did

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That crown didn’t get to do anything

rustic mountain
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only a few players i could see winning still after g1 t1 cuz im like he can still win this whereas most other ppl id b like oh its over

molten oasis
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Yeah, crazy strong player

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I watched the finals later cuz I was sleeping, the seniors finals was a really fun watch

rustic mountain
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i caught it in real time which was cool

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top cut had 24/48 unique mons

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23 if u dont count lando i and lando t separately

molten oasis
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Damn

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And bolt balance won over all of it

rustic mountain
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yep lmao

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i guess i should rephrase top 8 since top cut is top 16

molten oasis
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True yes

rustic mountain
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still more variety then i think ppl give credit for in the format

molten oasis
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I think it’s overshadowed by bolt balance’s dominance

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I haven’t quite found what I wanna play the most, but I’m looking into dengo stuff

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For like, real teams

dense latch
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i feel bad for the guy who went x-2 and still bubbled out of cut

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yuto kimura

molten oasis
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That was sad

dense latch
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something's off

molten oasis
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“The stand user could be anyone.”

foggy lodge
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Flutter Mane @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Grass

  • Moonblast
  • Icy Wind
  • Misty Terrain
  • Taunt
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This set made top cut LMAO

shadow wind
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I mean lives Shifu and disables a lot of strats

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Flutter might be one of the most versatile mons of all time

rustic mountain
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also prolly chien pao w/ mega lucario

rustic mountain
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its only won birmingham and euic

molten oasis
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Or can see it like that

rustic mountain
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right but id say thats more a groupthink perception issue vs the reality of it. and its not like the format is super diverse either lol i just think its more then what ppl credit it for

molten oasis
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Yeah fs

dense latch
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i respect the bit

rustic mountain
carmine pilot
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I've been playing it in Showdown and adjusting it based on other ppl's opinions, but thought yall would be able to help as well :)

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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since it outspeeds the tauros naturally

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and idk is rocky helmet sinistcha a thing

carmine pilot
carmine pilot
sudden remnant
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what does beartic have to do with rain

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OH BEARTIC GETS SWIFT SWIM????

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id still rather use froslass here

carmine pilot
carmine pilot
sudden remnant
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well

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beartics base speed is 50

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paldean tauros base speed is 100

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froslass base speed is 110

carmine pilot
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Yeah huge difference

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Also changed Frosslass' Psychic to shadow ball cause I think Frosslass can outspeed Flutter Mane

sudden remnant
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um

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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absolutely not

carmine pilot
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I mean my Frosslass has 178 Speed with the EVs and Nature

sudden remnant
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still not fast enough

carmine pilot
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So should I leave it with Psychic instead of Shadow Ball (?

sudden remnant
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fluttermane speed tier should be 205 i think

sudden remnant
carmine pilot
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Fighting Types

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I only have a way to counter them using Pelipper

sudden remnant
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what fighting type are you scared of with anger point tauros

carmine pilot
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You're right nvm

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I was just trying to think of any scenario, but I think most of them die with the x4 Attack anyways lmao

sudden remnant
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shadow ball is a really good attack to have on your team in general

carmine pilot
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Besides that, other change prob would be Power Herb on Archaludon so it can use Electro Shot without waiting

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Or is it better with Assault Vest?

sudden remnant
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av is better

carmine pilot
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Oh shoot true

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I keep forgetting Rain gets rid of that

sudden remnant
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as a day 1 archaludon fan

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yes it does

carmine pilot
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Lmao

sudden remnant
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what tera type is the tauros

carmine pilot
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Fire

sudden remnant
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mmmmmmm

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remind me what regulation this team is for

carmine pilot
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VGC 2026 Reg F

sudden remnant
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okay so

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your team is raging bolt food

carmine pilot
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Niiice

sudden remnant
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can someone calc for me if a froslass can eat a thunderclap

carmine pilot
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So no change needed for Tauros' Tera?

carmine pilot
sudden remnant
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showdown calculator

carmine pilot
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Seems like it survives

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Thought Draco Meteor kills it

sudden remnant
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and then froslass cant do jackshit back to it

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how much does tauros CC do

tiny karmaBOT
solid frigate
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Honestly just wait for the Mega

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Those stats aren’t helping

carmine pilot
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Hm there arent any other good alternatives for Frosslass in the team?

solid frigate
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Also Gambit is a weird choice knowing that you could just run Pao Shifu Flutter Peli Archa Amogus

leaden fox
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I just remembered, I need to alter my EVs on my Pokemon for the upcoming GC and then register them 😅

carmine pilot
leaden fox
solid frigate
solid frigate
carmine pilot
leaden fox
carmine pilot
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Already had some matches with Galarian Wheezing where I had to improvise and use Rain

solid frigate
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And with Urshifu Pao Flutter it’s a lot more manageable for some matchups as well

carmine pilot
tiny karmaBOT
solid frigate
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Yikes-

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Outside of speed ig is better but it’s still not a big difference

And Urshifu runs Scarf anyways

carmine pilot
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The x4 Attack after Anger Point is not worth the Trade Off tho?

solid frigate
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Also Urshifu Bypass Protect is already broken enough lol

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So either you play that lead and expect people to lead something against your lead forcing you to reposition (usually not a bad thing,but if you dedicate your team to anger point then it’s quite bad)

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And Rain is not a sure fire way for a plan B

carmine pilot
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Hm I see

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I used to have a Team that Lead with a Flame Orb Luxray and Frosslass when SV started, I would Tera Normal it and use Facade as a Plan B in case my Tauros wasnt able to use Anger Point

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Thought Rain could replicate something like that

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But the current Meta is too broken for that

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Unless I find a way to incoorporate some unexpected set up to activate Anger Point, its prob too late to use it (?

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Hm, would it be too stupid to try to make a Team using both Urshifu, Tauros and Rain? (Bare with me, its like 5am here, I'm prob spilling nonesense atp lmao)

solid frigate
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Tbf Rain is in a Weird spot but it’s still good

So I think you can just focus over rain instead of Anger point since even in GC you can mostly expect they bring Counterplay (Raging Bolt and Flutter Mane most likely)

Then again it’s up to you to decide

carmine pilot
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Hm I think I'll test different Gimmick combinations in that case, something outside the usual has to work

leaden fox
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Just realised that the next GC will likely be the last one in "ScarVio" 😅

carmine pilot
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Making weird teams like that keep the game fun! But experimenting with them is sooo time consuming

carmine pilot
leaden fox
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But unlikely, Champions is next xP

solid frigate
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Oh yeah Froslass would most likely have Mega so you could play that in Champions

And Mega Froslass is not bad per say

carmine pilot
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Yeah gotta practice them more, just gets tiring after playing the same teams eith the same few mons after a while yk

carmine pilot
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Been Shiny Hunting a Frosslass in ZA just for that >:)

leaden fox
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One thing that makes you wonder; will they have the size differences to show if we have an Alpha in Champions? 🤔

carmine pilot
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If they're using 3D Models I don't see why they wouldnt

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Like Pumkaboo 100% will have that programmed, Alphas and stuff should too

leaden fox
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Though hard to say until we get new info

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But should have that info in 11 days time

next stump
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If we don't get either a release date or an extensive trailer, I'm going to be super sad

forest arrow
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If nothing about champs on Pokémon day I’ll be sad too, we’ve been in the dark since April GengarSad

real prairie
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Hola

warm estuary
real prairie
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Hows it kicking people?

waxen dock
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gc in 4 days

real prairie
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Yeah im debating coming back for it

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but I dont have a team lol

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whats the Go-to rain team atm?

sudden remnant
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bro i just ordered mcdonalds and now im sad

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first i had to get it refunded cuz some prick took my food, then i ordered it from a different store and these hashbrowns are completely inedible and WHERE IS MY STRAW

real prairie
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PAIN

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McD breakfast slaps though

warm estuary
sudden remnant
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these hashbrowns are fucking frisbees

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throw them and theyd hurt more than captain americas shield

real prairie
warm estuary
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There aren’t much rain mons tbh but I may be wrong

sudden remnant
real prairie
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Seems like all the top cores atm are balance again

sudden remnant
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fork found in kitchen 🫩

real prairie
sudden remnant
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no fork found in kitchen is a saying for something that should feel incredibly obvious

sudden remnant
next stump
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yeah balance is everywhere

warm estuary
sudden remnant
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has anyone created the anti-balance yet

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i am not using raging bolt cuz i dont HAVE a raging bolt

real prairie
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well yeah its obvious to anyone apart from the guy who took 4 months off lol

real prairie
sudden remnant
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havent played vgc in quite a bit idk how i feel about rejoining in a reg f format

real prairie
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Although looks like a prime time for Tsareena return

sudden remnant
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really they should rename it Reg Bolt

sudden remnant
real prairie
sudden remnant
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so i should pull out the tsareena hypercarry

warm estuary
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I just played against a tsareena

sudden remnant
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based player

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tsareena is so goated and i never get to use it

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same with my mascot pokemon meowscarada 😑

real prairie
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Id imagine Sun is quite popular atm?

sudden remnant
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unfortunately frail grass types do not fare well

warm estuary
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@sudden remnant you playing hsr absolute peak

real prairie
# sudden remnant same with my mascot pokemon meowscarada 😑

Meowscarada was in my first ever VGC team, copying this team to be specific: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3-jgID4Tag

What if getting hit by a crit was a good thing in Pokémon? Well, I made a team that does just that! By intentionally using Meowscarada to guarantee a critical hit onto your own Pokémon, you can turn it into a powerhouse that can potentially win a competitive VGC match in just two turns!

Team explanation - 0:00
Game 1 - 1:30
Two turn win with ...

▶ Play video
sudden remnant
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she might as well be healing the enemy

real prairie
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would be funny to bring it back in GC

warm estuary
sudden remnant
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wow a whopping 17k with a premium team 😭

warm estuary
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💀

sudden remnant
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jingliu sparkle e6 rmc and hyacine

warm estuary
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I haven’t playied in so long

warm estuary
sudden remnant
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jingliu has mydeimos’ lightcone

sudden remnant
warm estuary
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Oh ok

sudden remnant
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WHY IS SHE DOING NO FUCKING DAMAGE

warm estuary
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Skill issue /j

next stump
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@real prairie

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this got top 32 at EUIC

sudden remnant
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7k hp 94/529 and shes NOT DOING ANY DAMAGE

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yes she has 530 crit damage

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and is STILL doing no damage

warm estuary
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How

real prairie
sudden remnant
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this genuinely might be a skill issue on my part i cant lie

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how the fuck is this bods not dead

warm estuary
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Lmao

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Like i lost my old acc

sudden remnant
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HEY SHE DID 300K WE’RE GETTING SOMEWHERE

warm estuary
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On the new one I haven’t played much

warm estuary
sudden remnant
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530 crit damage and she still does no damage

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she scales full hp now btw 😭

warm estuary
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😭

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The way you don’t do damage

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It’s crazy

sudden remnant
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so 7k hp and 530 crit damage and she does no damage 😑

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please explain 😭

warm estuary
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I don’t know

sudden remnant
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and her crit rate is actually 104 cuz rmc e1 gives 10%

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so its not missing crits

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if i leave this domain and this boss has ice res im gonna fucking tweak

warm estuary
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💀

sudden remnant
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cuz both of my dps’ are ice

warm estuary
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Delete the game

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If it’s ice res

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Joking

sudden remnant
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no ice res

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so WHY IS JINGLIU DOING NO DAMAGE

warm estuary
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Or artifact

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For no reason and you forgot

real prairie
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Did i miss a whole pokemon gen or something? WTH are you on about lol

warm estuary
real prairie
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I guessed lol I was taking the piss

warm estuary
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Ok

warm estuary
real prairie
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will run some team builds and practice games on ladder Today and Tomorrow before i decide

warm estuary
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You should if you have the team

sudden remnant
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my hot blindfolded assassin baddie wasnt killing a dragon and i was crashing out

real prairie
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maybe remove the blindfold, might help

sudden remnant
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she wears them for a reason

warm estuary
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Ok so @real prairie what team are you thinking to run

sudden remnant
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although in the story if you see her remove them you’re probably already dead

real prairie
sudden remnant
warm estuary
tiny karmaBOT
real prairie
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Fake out and encore are my primary uses for it

tiny karmaBOT
warm estuary
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Ok swift swim much better

sudden remnant
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swift swim encore 🥀 basically prankster atp

warm estuary
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Same ability as basculigieon

sudden remnant
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and chlorophyll for rain

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its the same thing

stone trellis
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I have submitted my team for the GC 5.

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@sudden remnant Wanna do a game of Reg I?

warm estuary
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@real prairie got an idea of the team

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Of like who you wanna run

real prairie
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Oh thought you were offering me an idea haah

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no, i have no plans yet. Might just build off my reg I team and look for workable replacements

sudden remnant
stone trellis
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Oh no, Cloudflare shat itself again.

warm estuary
stone trellis
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Nevermind.

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@tawdry urchin Ready to fight whenever you are.

warm estuary
real prairie
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not my first rodeo haha

warm estuary
real prairie
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Once WBLP after all lol

stone trellis
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Do you think it'll take 1UK3 more than 5 matches to beat me for the first time?

warm estuary
real prairie
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Danke

warm estuary
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Jokin

stone trellis
warm estuary
real prairie
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I struggle with Pelli, but not mad at the other 2

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can go back to running bullet seed dice Ludi and self proc stamina

warm estuary
real prairie
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always ended up running toed instead

warm estuary
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You should run that /j

warm estuary
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I dunno pelliper feels better

sudden remnant
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🫩

warm estuary
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Who where you pulling

sudden remnant
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Yao Guang

warm estuary
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Man💔

sudden remnant
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guess who i lost to 🫩

warm estuary
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I’ll download hsr back now

warm estuary
sudden remnant
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worse…. unfortunately

warm estuary
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Uhm

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Clara (i like Clara)

sudden remnant
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i also like clara (but no, worse)

warm estuary
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Uhm then

sudden remnant
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wait whens the last time you played

warm estuary
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You lost to the one ice guy

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The boy

sudden remnant
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worse than yanqing

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yanqing at least does something

warm estuary
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I hate him

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I dunno you tell me

warm estuary
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So I’m like back at beginning

sudden remnant
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do you remember what update

warm estuary
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Like 3.7

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I think

sudden remnant
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oh not long ago

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i lose yao guang to seele

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why couldnt i have lost to fu xuan 🙁

real prairie
warm estuary
sudden remnant
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no yanqing at least does something

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he has a FuA that can almost guarantee to freeze

warm estuary
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Yes but I hate him sooo

sudden remnant
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i wish is lost to fu xuan

warm estuary
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I had seelee e2 in old acc and she was doing decent

warm estuary
sudden remnant
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i watched a yt video of this guys e5 yanqing doing more than my jingliu just did 🫩

warm estuary
warm estuary
sudden remnant
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i can cope by saying my jingliu is e0 but she should still be out dps’ing a yanqing regardless

warm estuary
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Lmao

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Man restarting over sucks

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But I have Clara so

sudden remnant
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its not that bad (i have 10 different accounts btw)

sudden remnant
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im not joking

warm estuary
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I mean starting with archer and Dan heng it’s really easy

warm estuary
sudden remnant
warm estuary
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Selector? What did I miss

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Or maybe I’m just dumb

sudden remnant
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theres an active event for the 4.0 update

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theres a 5* selecter with like dhil kafka acheron jingliu sparkle aventurine and…… im missing someone

real prairie
warm estuary
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I’m at 75% downloading the game

sudden remnant
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oh you wont get the free archer anymore

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so i hope you already claimed it before the event ended

warm estuary
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Already did

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Don’t worry

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I don’t have enough storage to download it💔

sudden remnant
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the grind cannot stop

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find a way gang

real prairie
stone trellis
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Mirror matches and CSR-Zama are so fucking exhausting.

solid frigate
real prairie
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there any plugins for chrome that auto capture replays and then put them into PASRS?

next stump
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I don't think so, that would be awesome

stone trellis
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That would make my job so easy.

real prairie
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Time to get developing I suppose then

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Assume PASRS is indeed the current agreed standard?

stone trellis
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Yeah, 6.2 specifically.

real prairie
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I have ideas.

dense latch
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it doesn't automatically put it in but you can mass copy paste

real prairie
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Oooo

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Yeah thats useful and halfway to what I was thinking, equally im in an ADHD motivation mood, so going to look into maybe building PASRS directly into a website and having it do all the heavy lifting, linking straight to SD.

But I imagine ill burn out in a day or two when I realise how much work its gonna be

shadow wind
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Game just can't give me 1600

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But whatever I stopped my decay and beat one of my harder mus for it so I'm content

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I might be a generational player

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The Lebron of wordle

foggy lodge
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Damn

stone trellis
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I need to figure this out.

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What do you think the word might be?

real prairie
stone trellis
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?

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The word isn't "roast", A isn't available.

real prairie
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Male Chicken

real prairie
stone trellis
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Roost?

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Got it.

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You should've said "Corviknight".

real prairie
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the fact Corviknight would have been a better clue than chicken means we need to touch grass

waxen dock
warm estuary
stone trellis
warm estuary
stone trellis
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Absolutely generational.

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Also, any words that start with "leas-" other than "least" and "lease"?

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What the fuck is the word here?

next stump
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Leash

stone trellis
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Oh, yeah.

warm estuary
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Hello

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People of the vgc chat

bold geode
warm estuary
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Cool

stone trellis
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Are names considered words here?

warm estuary
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Marry

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Trust

stone trellis
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Fuck, you're right.

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You're not right.

warm estuary
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Oh

stone trellis
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So now my options are Harry, Barry and Garry.

shadow wind
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Usually not names

warm estuary
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Try

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Harry you are right

shadow wind
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||Marry|| is what I would guess

stone trellis
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Marry isn't an option, I tried it.

warm estuary
shadow wind
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Oh weird

warm estuary
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I feel it’s harry

stone trellis
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Fortune favors the bold.

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Too bad I always go Calm

warm estuary
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It has to be harry

stone trellis
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Let's see.

warm estuary
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It is

stone trellis
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It was.

warm estuary
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I knew it i used a wordle finder

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💀

stone trellis
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My thought process makes me look like a cheater sometimes.

warm estuary
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I cheat

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So basically I use wordle finder when I’m at the last word

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But I call it a skill

bold geode
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I'm too stupid for Wordle

shadow wind
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Also today I learned that Clefairy doesn't like to take a tera fire helping hand heat crash from Groudon in the sun

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Thing got sploded

warm estuary
shadow wind
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I've been playing the Clef mu so wrong

shadow wind
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It's just a fun challenge

warm estuary
shadow wind
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Hmm

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Don't know bout that one chief

warm estuary
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If I lose i kill the incineroar in my basement

shadow wind
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I would never hold such a nasty creature anywhere near my house

warm estuary
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I have multiple

shadow wind
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Gross

warm estuary
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I also have

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Some landorus

shadow wind
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Even worse lowkey

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Wait which form

warm estuary
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Both

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Bolt was too high so I have him on the balcony chilling with flutter

shadow wind
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Next you're going to say you have a Rillaboom enclosure 😔

warm estuary
shadow wind
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You were so close to bolt balance 😔

warm estuary
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But I have some indeedee

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Bc they cute

warm estuary
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Like I knew that obviously

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But you know everyone plays it

shadow wind
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Not I

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Bolt balance makes me want to walk the plank

warm estuary
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Like if I actually got a bolt in game I would have played the GC this week

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I think it’s this week

shadow wind
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I play Reg I

warm estuary
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I haven’t played reg i in a lot

shadow wind
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But this is the team I play

warm estuary
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Iron hands brother

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W

shadow wind
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Half the team is full of bums though

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Ogerpon and Wake could be doing like 18x more work than they do

warm estuary
shadow wind
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Fraudpon only puts in work against very specific mus

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Same with walking fraud who is only good into Zama and Lando

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Which all things considered are very good things to be good into

solid frigate
real prairie
warm estuary
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After all this time playing reg f, i forgot that reg i is fun

warm estuary
real prairie
warm estuary
warm estuary
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Bro😭

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I just lost a match

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Bc I missclicked and attacked my own farigiraf

solid frigate
next stump
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I won a set in Day 2 of a regional because my opponent KO'd his own pokemon

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He had joycon drift and killed his own Dragapult that was set up to sweep the game

solid frigate
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Not the self destruct

solid frigate
#

NOT THE JOY CONS

next stump
#

Yeah hahaha I felt bad, he called a judge over as well and wanted the game win

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But the judge was like... I can't do anything to help you

solid frigate
#

(This is why I use Pro Controller for events and leave the joycons at home

stone trellis
#

I just use a Pro controller in general.

solid frigate
#

Honestly pro controller is on par with GameCube controller

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Switch 1 in particular

forest arrow
#

Never had Joycon problems ever

waxen dock
sudden remnant
#

so if i were to open scarlet and play vgc rn id be in reg F

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sorry i mean Reg Bolt

next stump
#

it's only tournaments that are Reg F

sudden remnant
#

reg bolt is like the same 5 pokemon anyways

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bolt, waterfu, fluttermane, incin, and the last is probably ursaluna

stone trellis
#

Which one?

stone trellis
#

(You are NOT avoiding that match btw)

sudden remnant
stone trellis
#

I meant which Ursaluna.

sudden remnant
#

both of them probably

#

i have to wait till next year to enter the official competitive scene

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i missed toronto regionals

sudden remnant
#

are there any other regionals on the east coast?

next stump
#

Orlando

sudden remnant
#

okay when is that?

next stump
#

April 3rd-5th

sudden remnant
#

mmmmmmmm

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theres also one in Indiana? 😀

next stump
#

yep 😄 indianapolis

sudden remnant
#

hey thats not that far

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and its just after my birthday

#

that parts not entirely relevant but its interesting

foggy lodge
#

Everything has to be connected to the switch

sudden remnant
#

There are wired pro controllers

next stump
#

you should go to Indy if you can, regionals are super fun

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and very good chance it’s played on Champions instead of SV

sudden remnant
#

its a week after my birthday

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its calling to me

sudden remnant
#

could you give me that invite i dont have @short quiver anymore so i dont have the server

next stump
#

Yeah give me a minute to find the spreadsheet with all the links

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DM’d you the link to the midwest US VGC discord

sudden remnant
#

and next winter im for sure going yo toronto idk if i wanna go all the way to orlando tho

next stump
#

and from there you can find michigan events and people

sudden remnant
#

bless up

velvet gale
#

There is any channel for searching for competitive combats?

sudden remnant
#

for searching for what?

velvet gale
#

Like practice

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For competitive

sudden remnant
#

i mean there might be people in here up for a match

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toronto is 3 hours away, indy is 4 hours away, orlando is 16 hours away

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yikes

velvet gale
#

So close are they?

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Crazy

sudden remnant
real prairie
#

I am in a really dangerous false sense of security for GC

#

if this continues Tomorrow im going to have to commit

real prairie
tiny karmaBOT
foggy lodge
#

I might have to roll with Bolt balance to the GC

quaint oriole
#

guys how viable is blaze incin :,) just changed its tera, traded for knockoff tm (no dlc gaming), brought it out in ranked and realised what i had done

tiny karmaBOT
quaint oriole
#

any suggestions on what i could sub it for while i look for an ability patch? team is miraidon, zacian c, grimmsnarl, roaring moon, urshifu rs

sudden remnant
next stump
#

do you have in game money? you can buy ability patches if I remember correctly

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they're pretty easy to get

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oh RIP nvm apparently not

sudden remnant
quaint oriole
quaint oriole
foggy lodge
real prairie
#

You could keep breeding and hope for hidden ability

dense latch
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you'd need an incin with its HA to have a chance for it to give intim to its offspring

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i'm sure there's someone willing to trade you a patch

quaint oriole
quaint oriole
#

i get why some vgc players gen their teams, it's so uninteractive compared to what you wanna do with them

forest arrow
solid frigate
#

I’ll just play Rain

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I actually can build Shiny Chien Pao

sudden remnant
#

im sure there are some slug supporters

solid frigate
sudden remnant
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besides him lmao

#

marcos moxieboosted perez is a day 1 wochien stan

solid frigate
#

Well there are some slug players through the past years

Shiliang Tang During AV Kyogre+Wo Chien Days

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With 4 dark types lol

sudden remnant
#

aye he made it work

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to pros type matchups are optional 🗣️🗣️

solid frigate
west raptor
sudden remnant
#

chat is there any important speed tier in reg F (minus fluttermane and its 205 i think it is)

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im trying to calc my waterpon and i wanna know what speed allows me to outspeed what

next stump
#

Landorus

sudden remnant
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which is

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🫩

bold geode
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Now that we're nearly done with SV did tera actually make any "bad mons" more viable or did it literally just make good mons better for all 4 years?

With dmax we got to see mons shine like durant, gigas, palkia etc. but I feel like tera generally just made good mons more broken

next stump
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lando hits 168

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yeah I agree with the post mostly, it's hard to think of bad pokemon besides maybe Koraidon or other 4x weak mons that were made good because of tera

sudden remnant
#

okay and whats the next tier

next stump
#

what do you mean next tier?

bold geode
sudden remnant
#

whats like the next benchmark below lando

bold geode
#

My thoughts are like maybe Dragonite

sudden remnant
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205 (flutter) 168 (lando)

bold geode
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Also if we don't count Gen 7 then you could make a case for Kommo-O

next stump
#

modest landorus, adamant urshifu, timid gholdengo

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that kinda stuff

sudden remnant
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so my waterpon should be fine at about 170

bold geode
#

That's the hard part like
Really like either the Pokemon aren't 100% shit without tera or Tera wasn't the only thing that helped it

bold geode
#

Articuno benefitted from the snow change

sudden remnant
#

yeah which was your second point

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where tera wasnt the only thing that made it good

#

okay so 196 jolly puts waterpon at 170 speed

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but thats a lot of investment

shadow wind
#

It’s going to be weird seeing a raging bolt that’s weak to fairy

sudden remnant
#

what?

shadow wind
#

After tera

sudden remnant
#

what tera is bolt using now?????

shadow wind
#

Nah like after it's gone

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And doesn't exist

sudden remnant
#

and now im even more confused

foggy lodge
#

You should used the Roaring Dengo gaming

shadow wind
#

After tera stops being the gimmick

#

Raging bolt will always be weak to fairy

#

And CSR will no longer be my favourite fairy type

sudden remnant
#

holy predicts on my part

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only one i missed was turn 4 where they went for poni again instead if chien pao

shadow wind
#

Just the amount of aura I exude

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

Without any context yeah

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But the Caly is scarfed and clicking astral barrage

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So unless the Zama hit a quad protect nah I win

shadow wind
#

But it is funny looking at the state of the board

molten oasis
#

“I hate losing the speed tie” fckn bum

#

HE HAS A TORNADUS TOO

foggy lodge
#

CSR mirrors are crazy tbh

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

It's also bo1

foggy lodge
#

CSR effectively wastes 15 ev stats only to speed tie itself xd

shadow wind
#

Bo1 cts means anything and everything will be ran

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Except my extremely honest team

molten oasis
#

Yeah cuz CTS sucks

shadow wind
#

No shenanigans occur in my teambuilder ever

foggy lodge
#

I hope CTS is playable again in champions

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I like OTS and I think its better for bo3 tournament environent

#

But CTS has also some kind of fun and tera kind of erases all that fun for me

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

Dude I had a game where it's Groudon and Miraidon both against Kyogre, they have tera available and I click draco and miss and they get a huge tera water water spout off

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Cause who runs tera water Kyogre anymore

foggy lodge
#

Lmfao

molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

Like that's the thing dude

shadow wind
#

And like if I click edrift and they tera grass I insta lose

foggy lodge
#

You have to cover for common teras in bo1

#

But if they are a weird tera

molten oasis
#

And then they’re the Tera you didn’t cover for

foggy lodge
#

Yeah it adds to much variance to bo1

molten oasis
#

Might be top 10 worst feelings in vgc

forest arrow
#

Tera ground covert cloak urshifu

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That made me quit playing tn

#

Fuck bo1

shadow wind
#

I've seen so many random tera grounds because of Miraidon

#

Very annoying

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

Cause you lowkey just instantly lose

molten oasis
#

Ok I actually think cloak shifu is really funny into incin

#

But ground Tera is smth else

forest arrow
#

Don’t justify for them

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Made me crash out

molten oasis
#

I used it

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I played cloak shifu in reg g lol

foggy lodge
#

What does ground even cover you get clapped by rilla anyways lmao

molten oasis
#

It was a tech for uh

#

CIR incin teams

forest arrow
#

Literally just raging bolt.

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

Bo1 hurts so much more in restricteds formats imo

molten oasis
#

Yeah

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Cause 1 kinda bad turn and you just lose the entire game

molten oasis
#

Seeing Calyrex Tera ghost is just

shadow wind
#

Lowkey I like seeing it over fairy

molten oasis
#

And then it’s specs

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And you explode

shadow wind
#

And then my Farigoatraf sets up tr and Groudon goes kaboom

molten oasis
#

Ig

shadow wind
#

I love you Farig

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He made the horses beatable

forest arrow
#

Surprised you don’t use bonnet

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Oh miraidon nvm

shadow wind
#

Was going to say

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252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Brute Bonnet: 177-211 (95.1 - 113.4%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

#

Honestly he eats it a lot better than I would've thought

foggy lodge
#

Lando just hits too hard

forest arrow
#

Lando is just that guy

shadow wind
#

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 132 HP / 252 SpD Groudon: 110-133 (57.2 - 69.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

foggy lodge
#

Most Ogerpon don't take a raw sludge bomb rn

forest arrow
#

I really enjoyed bonnet for the horses

shadow wind
#

Trust me, I know

forest arrow
#

Thanks Jirachi

foggy lodge
#

How is the Ogerpon sludge bomb calc actually

shadow wind
#

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 188 HP / 124 SpD Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 161-190 (89.9 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

#

Bad

foggy lodge
#

124+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 164-195 (91.6 - 108.9%) -- 56.25% chance to OHKO

#

And this is a super bulky Ogerpon man

shadow wind
#

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Walking Wake: 153-181 (86.9 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

foggy lodge
#

what

shadow wind
#

How does wake eat that

#

Genuinely

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

I would've thought it was an ohko

#

I guess with lorb it's pretty much 100%

foggy lodge
#

Yeah with lorb you die

#

But that's why specs gaming...

#

Or AV gaming

shadow wind
#

I need protect

#

Very desperately

#

I already only have 3 on the team

#

Making it 2 would explode any form of pace control I have

#

There's like a 0% chance I'll ever change this team anyway

#

It's old and it's working

#

After decay happens tonight I might hit top 30

#

I be praying that all my opps decay

#

I still feel like my gxe should be higher but it's whatever

#

It's bo1 cts who cares

foggy lodge
shadow wind
#

Without Groudon it's impossible

foggy lodge
#

But you'll have primal Groudon

shadow wind
#

Definitely not on release

foggy lodge
#

Yeah but at some point

#

My goal is to win a GC

shadow wind
#

I'll do my best

#

That'd be sick

foggy lodge
#

Idk If I could in a tera format tho LOL

shadow wind
#

I haven't really taken mons seriously in a while so maybe champions will reawaken something

foggy lodge
#

In megas I'll practice bo1 super hard

shadow wind
#

Kinda just clowning around on Reg I ladder right now

foggy lodge
#

No more tera excuses for me

#

Now I'll be number 10 in the GC and get here saying "I lost cuz they were mega Staraptor instead of scarf"

shadow wind
#

Exactly

#

Yknow I've never hit top 5 on any ladder ever

foggy lodge
#

Dragonite is gonna be super problematic in bo1 too I think it has too many sets

shadow wind
#

Best I've done was 7th 😔

foggy lodge
#

Its top 10 its also pretty good

shadow wind
#

Oh for sure

#

But I've never hit #1 which does pain me

foggy lodge
#

My only top 1 was in a format that released like for 1 hour

#

!!!

#

A win is a win we take it

shadow wind
#

I hit 3rd on the ingame ladder once but it was right after refresh

foggy lodge
#

lmao

shadow wind
#

I remember losing the next game as well

#

It's been like a year and a bit and I still remember

#

I hate you Regidrago you killed my Ursaluna

foggy lodge
#

Man Regidrago is so broken

shadow wind
#

Yes !

foggy lodge
#

Someone who left vgc in sw/sh would think I'm crazy by saying that

#

Its actually so oppresive in the meta rn you have to respect it a lot

shadow wind
#

Somehow in the Flutter mane generation

#

Oh I guess I've hit top 10s in random mess around oms before

foggy lodge
#

Fr

shadow wind
#

Full potential my beloved

#

Something something challenge cup or whatever as well

foggy lodge
#

I have to win a local too atleast one time man LOL

shadow wind
#

Locals don't exist for me

#

But that's ok

#

I won a local sized limitless tour so that was good

#

And that was Reg G 1

#

I had been playing for like 2 months at that point

foggy lodge
#

A win is a win

shadow wind
#

Extremely true

#

Won that back in June of 24

#

Oh jeez that's so long ago

foggy lodge
#

A year and a half

#

A year and 8 months

shadow wind
#

😔

foggy lodge
#

But yeah

#

I want to get my first win even if its something small

#

One has to start from somewhere

shadow wind
#

Exactly

#

That limitless tour may have only had 44 people but man I won it !

#

Thank you av kingambit for living a tera Terapagos ep after tanking a fake tears

#

You're my goat for real

#

I'm starting to think my memory is better than I think

#

Also I just want to take a second to say how far I've come as a team builder

foggy lodge
#

And 7-1 swiss too damn

shadow wind
#

And the guy I lost to in pools I got my run back in finals

foggy lodge
#

That Flutter tera is wild

shadow wind
#

Booster energy bolt on a sun team 😔

foggy lodge
#

Not grass by itself but sash + tera grass lol

shadow wind
foggy lodge
#

lmao

shadow wind
#

Nah yeah I think it was mostly for rage powder but it came into play probably once ever

#

I bet that the Ogerpons evs are max max min too

#

Wait I could actually find this team

#

Maybe

foggy lodge
#

Search brick break on your builder

shadow wind
#

Sad to say I found it

#

I knew it 😔

#

Thank you me from almost 2 years ago for being extremely predictable

#

What is even that Groudon set

#

I really liked my offensive evs

#

Didn't have a clue what def or sp def evs even did

foggy lodge
#

Lmao

#

Everything is spiritually 252/252/4

#

Except the Grimmsnarl

shadow wind
#

The grimmsnarl set was 100% stolen

#

Or at least was just a jump point

#

And it's cause it's a Grimmsnarl

#

I love my 252 modest raging bolt in the sun

foggy lodge
#

You are booster too

shadow wind
#

The worst part

foggy lodge
#

Did you play without sun too much

shadow wind
#

Groudon came to 100% of the games

foggy lodge
#

LMAO

shadow wind
#

There's at least 3 better items that the Bolt could've had

#

And 252 jolly Ogerpon solves the Kyoge mu pretty well

foggy lodge
#

Maybe magnet was the play

shadow wind
#

There's no way Kyogre was screwing me that badly

shadow wind
#

I like that I now make 100% of my sets

#

I don't really enjoy taking sets from other teams

#

Sometimes I enjoy making teams more than I actually enjoy playing games

foggy lodge
#

Yeah most teams need to survive or KO different stuff

shadow wind
#

I also learnt how to make my own teams because of Groudon

#

Lowkey was a good place to learn

#

Cause there was almost no teams to even base my ideas off of

foggy lodge
#

Yeah its more of a niche mon but still viable so

shadow wind
#

Exactly

#

So the ideas just got to be mine

#

I doubt I came up with scarf Miraidon + Groudon but man it's by far my favourite version

#

I wish I had an archetype that I liked to play

foggy lodge
#

It feels so good when you make a functional team

shadow wind
#

Hate how I only perform when I like the team

#

If I deep down don't like a team I can't play it well

shadow wind
#

Cause like Groudon is sick and all but he's still Groudon

foggy lodge
#

That's fine too comfort is a big part

shadow wind
#

Functional but not regional winning

foggy lodge
#

The thing is also figuring out how to make that confort zone bigger too you know

shadow wind
#

Like I know this is going to sound super ego heavy but I don't know why or how I do well

#

Like I use Groudon and get somewhat decent results on the ladder

#

I don't think I'm a top player by any means

foggy lodge
#

Nah it's fine to have ego

#

Everyone needs it in some way you have to believe in yourself to play this game too

shadow wind
#

But I don't mean for it to even be ego

#

And like I do downplay myself but it's cause I don't see it when I look at my results

#

But it's stupid to say I'm bad because I do see what I do and it's not 100% luck

foggy lodge
#

Yeah that's common too

shadow wind
#

It is weird though cause I don't think I've been playing Reg I seriously at all but I'm doing better than I've ever done

foggy lodge
#

Hmmm

#

Maybe it's also playing with less pressure

shadow wind
#

That's probably at least part of it

rustic mountain
#

conner talking groudon, wat a surprise

shadow wind
#

Maybe it's cause no ones really playing Reg I

foggy lodge
#

Groudon is too good

#

I also like Groudon

shadow wind
#

Unless you're counting me talking about me as talking about Groudon

foggy lodge
#

Groudon biggest fan + Groudon enjoyer Groudon has to be a topic at one point or another

shadow wind
#

I am Groudon's weakest soldier

gentle cragBOT
shadow wind
#

😔

rustic mountain
#

the groudon self insert, classic

shadow wind
#

But it's true

rustic mountain
#

hahahah ik its just funny u worked it into the convo

shadow wind
#

Well of course

rustic mountain
shadow wind
#

I was comparing my past teams(garbage) to my current teams(leftovers in the fridge)

foggy lodge
#

tree see his limitless team

shadow wind
#

You might not want to

#

Lowkey ashamed of it

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

Go look at it Kek

shadow wind
#

I mean I've made worse

rustic mountain
#

howd it do

shadow wind
#

But that ones so close to being good that it hurts

#

It won !

rustic mountain
#

u won a limitless tour? nice

#

huh

shadow wind
#

But it was a small tour so bad example imo

#

But whatever! A win is a win !

rustic mountain
#

eh still cool

#

show the team

shadow wind
#

Went 7-1 so it worked well but I think I got good mus

#

I guess I could find it

rustic mountain
#

ahh reg g

shadow wind
#

Absolute horse slayer

foggy lodge
#

3 CSR man lol

shadow wind
#

And then I lose to the turtle

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

He cooked the horses alright

molten oasis
#

I guess

shadow wind
#

Honestly the kingambit should be the least concerning thing there

#

Fire punch Groudon, booster Bolt, Max max min Oger with follow me, Tera grass flutter with taunt and sash

foggy lodge
#

The booster bolt hurts so bad man LMAO

shadow wind
#

I know 😔

molten oasis
#

Oh it is booster

shadow wind
#

Why is there a 164 Groudons in my teams document

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

There's like 290 teams in total

#

Over 70% of my teams ever have had Groudon

foggy lodge
#

Will you ever clean your teambuilder

molten oasis
#

I’ve probably made roughly 200 teams with Zac

#

But my cookies get wiped monthly for some reason so

shadow wind
#

Team document has 290 teams in it

#

Current builder has 314

molten oasis
#

I need to save my evs for champions!

foggy lodge
#

Holy shit

foggy lodge
shadow wind
#

Found my first Groudon team ever

foggy lodge
#

I need to save my Pao spread

#

I need to survive tera water surging strikes

molten oasis
#

Dude I need to make sure I have my sash shifu spread, man I’d be so sad if I lost that