competitive_discussion

[foggy lodge]

Damn super cool game huh

[solid frigate]

Chapter 5 onwards is good trust me

[shadow wind]

Yeah some of the scenes are straight dreadful but the game is super fire

Honestly if you don't care about lore I'd say just play 3

[foggy lodge]

I also find the character designs a bit ugly but from actual gameplay and story it looks super interesting

So I think if I ignore the other problems

I can enjoy it

[shadow wind]

Skips out on all the weird tension and has a way better combat system

Some of the blades in 2 are definitely bad design

[solid frigate]

I still have trauma

[shadow wind]

From?

[solid frigate]

I mean some of them are not gonna be for everyone

[solid frigate]

Ending.

You know why Conner

[shadow wind]

From 2 or 3?

[foggy lodge]

Bro

This guy

[bold geode]

Max come here we need to perform a seance to make the Horoark lose

[foggy lodge]

This fucking guy

[solid frigate]

TWO

[foggy lodge]

Has three belts

And doesn't even use pants

[shadow wind]

2 ending just makes my head hurt

[foggy lodge]

YOU DONT NEED THREE BELTS

[shadow wind]

But the other design of his is so cool, unfortunately it's spoilers

[bold geode]

You don't fuck with a man that has belts for no reason

[solid frigate]

He’s a salvager so multiple belts if makes sense

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[dense latch]

i feel like we’ve discussed this one before at one point

[shadow wind]

Oh how I love the qte salvager minigames

[solid frigate]

So basically

Power Rangers/Super Sentai

[dense latch]

i feel like there’s not enough support for his boots

[foggy lodge]

Probably I lowkey remember this design every so often and I feel the necessity to hate on him

[shadow wind]

Oh wait I just remembered the entirety of tora's character

[foggy lodge]

Ok fun fact

[shadow wind]

Yeah maybe don't play 2

[foggy lodge]

Rn literally right now

[dense latch]

they seem way too big

like those red boots

[foggy lodge]

I discovered he has like something to shoot arrows on his arms

[solid frigate]

Don’t play 2

Play 1 lol

[solid frigate]

Grappling hook basically

[shadow wind]

This is the game I'm defending 😔

[foggy lodge]

me

[bold geode]

Ain't no way
Plz don't tell me

[foggy lodge]

he is right but yeah you can't defend that LMAO

[bold geode]

Max I don't think Sydney is a real event

[solid frigate]

OH YEAH THAT LMFAO

[foggy lodge]

I think at some point

[shadow wind]

Every xenoblade game has a bathing suit option for like every character and it's terrible

[foggy lodge]

Everyone accepted that reg F was hell in earth

[solid frigate]

Yeah no I am not defending Tora with that suit lol

[foggy lodge]

So why not just have fun while we bear this

[shadow wind]

I think I liked 3 more than 2 but 2 has a special place in my heart

[solid frigate]

I mean i usually don’t use it

Hell Mythra’s Best Suit is the Smash Bros one cuz Crit Rate lol

[shadow wind]

True

Optimal gameplay for 2 never made sense to me

The battles always ended too quickly

[solid frigate]

That kinda only matters in ya know

Challenge rooms

[shadow wind]

Like even the super bosses were mid to fight

I like 3s super bosses way way more

[foggy lodge]

I just found another design

[shadow wind]

Oh no

[foggy lodge]

I don't think I can even send it here

[shadow wind]

What's the characters name

[foggy lodge]

Who tf is Dahlia and why does she look like that.

[solid frigate]

I like some of them but Mythra spam is just too broken

[shadow wind]

My least favourite designed blade ever

It's just weird

[forest arrow]

Zoroark is about to be in finals bro…

Zoroark in finals

It’s over

[bold geode]

Oh my God
We're so cooked

[foggy lodge]

ZOROARK IS IN FINALS DUDE WHY

Monke I don't think you even have enough left in the tank to shit on my porch

[solid frigate]

Yeah blades that are not the main cast are weird

[shadow wind]

Some have really good designs

But then others are straight gooner bait

[foggy lodge]

Mythra is my favourite one

[forest arrow]

Only thing cool about it to me is the kingambit 😭😭

[foggy lodge]

And not because of the reasons you may think I actually like her design

She looks so much better than Pyra imo

[shadow wind]

Pyra > Mythra

[solid frigate]

Smash Bros Mythra feels more complete in design

[foggy lodge]

But if it is from personality its Pyra

[solid frigate]

I really want to say the third option but it’s spoilers so fuck no

[shadow wind]

Coffee and Milk 😔

[foggy lodge]

I think I gog spoiled from SSBU

[solid frigate]

Wait nvm they already spoiled it in SSBU

[forest arrow]

I grew up drinking Coffee milk lol that’s funny

[solid frigate]

AS A XENOBLADE 2 FAN THATS OUT OF CONTEXT

[foggy lodge]

Coffee with milk is good but its not real coffee

Coffe with sugar is fake

[forest arrow]

Yeah no that was my childhood coffee

Now I drink it black

Bit of creamer sometimes

[solid frigate]

Yeah the teal one….

[shadow wind]

Torrent did you hear about the xenoblade leak?

[forest arrow]

Dude that game 2 I was like the Ursh is so free here,

Ursh used shadow ball

I said huh?! Lmao

[solid frigate]

If you see my Twitter you see my reaction on it lol

[shadow wind]

It's like nothing right?

[solid frigate]

I hope it’s something but we don’t know

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Well it can't really be another Xenoblade

Well not the numbered ones anyway

Man I still need to beat X

[solid frigate]

I probably have to draw something to celebrate another Anniversary that also 10th anniversary like Xenoblade 2 next year

Cuz both series I like them a lot

And maybe cosplay that MC with Xenoblade elements

[shadow wind]

I just realized we were doing the spoiler stuff I forgot about your pfp 😭

[solid frigate]

If you want I can switch rn

[shadow wind]

Nah it's funny

[solid frigate]

But that’s pointless anyway

[shadow wind]

Yeah

No one knows unless they know

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah btw what I meant is this show is also 10th anniversary next year like Xenoblade 2

[shadow wind]

Oh cool

[foggy lodge]

I want Yuxiang to win this

[solid frigate]

I have to draw something for these two franchise lol

[foggy lodge]

He deserves it he is such a phenomenal player and we don't see the asian players a lot here

[bold geode]

Where there's Taco Bell there's a way

[forest arrow]

Horoark won the Sydney Regional

[foggy lodge]

Reg F is hell on earth

[shadow wind]

What is even that team

It looks like it's missing like 3 mons

I think that teams shows everything wrong with sv

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/a68905be68eb3558

Found this recreation from a different server

Made topcut

[molten oasis]

I’m sorry WHAT IS THAT???

[solid frigate]

Unununununununun

[bold geode]

I would've loved to see Snowscape here ngl

[shadow wind]

Real actually

[stone trellis]

Did it win?

[forest arrow]

Yes

[stone trellis]

Nice.

[warm estuary]

Weird team

But zoroark winning is peak

[warm estuary]

Bro really likes regis

[waxen dock]

It appeared on stream

[fickle pagoda]

Hey as a returning player into the pokemon series, I used to grind comp mode in Sword and Sheild like crazy, reached masterball tier, its been 5 years looking to return to competitive mode can someone tell me whether ranked has more players in S & V or Z/A? Cuz the queue times in Sword is like 30 mins for a game (ping me pls)

[waxen dock]

We dont really play ranked anymore aince it soeant allign with the current reg anymore

[fickle pagoda]

yeah but now in 2026 which game do y'all play ranked in? Scarlet Violet? or Z/A? Cuz I just want to hop into a doubles battle queue and climb ranked with max 2 min queue time i dont wanna wait 30 mins to find an opponent

[waxen dock]

Za ig

[fickle pagoda]

but if we're talking about pokemon champs like considering the VGC this season I see a new feature called Terestrialise? So I'm guessing pros are playing ranked in S & V? or is that game dead ?

[waxen dock]

Showdown

[forest arrow]

Santiago is almost done, Juan is going insane this tourney

[bold geode]

If you're wanting to grind an in game VGC ladder, SV would be your best bet or Showdown
Just know that the ranked ladder's format and the format that irl events use do not align

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/9139e9736832f340 What do I change?

[stone trellis]

1. This team has no instance of Protect on any Pokemon, even the ones that desperately need it like Fraud Rider
2. There is only one physical attacker on this team, which is pitiful for any normal team in the big 26
3. Sash Whimsicott uses Tera Ghost
4. A singular Taunt from any non-Prankster user would disable Sableye and Clefairy entirely
5. Life Orb on Shadow Rider is shit, Sash is the only true option if you want it to live for more than half a turn without burning Tera on it every fucking time

Also:
6. Lugia sucks, especially this set. Try using a better setup special attacker that doesn't share a weakness with CSR

[tawdry urchin]

Protect is a waste, 4 attacks is allready not enough

[solid frigate]

just don't care about them

we have gone through this yesterday

[tawdry urchin]

And it got no where 💔

[solid frigate]

i wonder why

[tawdry urchin]

Because you did nothing but slander lugia thats why

[solid frigate]

Yeah,and it’s deserved slander lmfao

[tawdry urchin]

How?

[solid frigate]

Multiple factual sources said it’s bad and yet you chased it like a brick wall

Honestly even anime Lugia stans would be dissapointed on you

Go back to TCGP if you want to play Lugia

[tawdry urchin]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2535414338 mhm mhm shure shure

thats just 1 example

[solid frigate]

1 doesnt show it’s apex tier like Miraidon and Koraidon

[tawdry urchin]

"Apex" and "Koraidon" in the same sentence 🥀

that mf is a FRAUD

[solid frigate]

@bold geode brain rot is back lmfao

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-decade-aurora-curtain-kamen-rider-zi-o-kamen-rider-gif-13121206759975652579

[forest arrow]

Who won worlds last year?

oh thats right not Lugia

[warm estuary]

Lugia not water type is still one of the worst thing pokemon has ever did

[solid frigate]

Honestly after the life orb Koraidon is on the rise

[tawdry urchin]

"Koradion Look out theres a tiny fairy behind you"

[tawdry urchin]

So we want the special bulk legenday to have a x4 weakness to a type thats mainly special attacks...

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[warm estuary]

Uhm who cares

A pokemon that lore wise lives in the water has to be a water type

I wasn’t considering stats

[solid frigate]

Like genuinely doesnt care it’s still garbage in comp scene anyway

[tawdry urchin]

Omg PLEASE stfu 🙏 Seriously you use 0 logic

[solid frigate]

Like trevanant probability of winning worlds is higher than Lugia lol

Trevanant is actually cool lol

And it’s more embarrassing that Ho-Oh at that time actually had a shot on winning worlds lmfao
@forest arrow we saw that in stream

And Lugia’s Theme is so mid that all the music budget went to Ho-Oh

[forest arrow]

Ho oh actually does stuff

[warm estuary]

Ho ho better in everything

[solid frigate]

Honestly that Ho-Oh is peak

[tawdry urchin]

"Ho-oh watch out theres a geodude behind you"

https://giphy.com/gifs/squid-game-im-so-fucking-scared-ali-9uauDJ2xiDIEgBw2Jg

[bold geode]

Don't bring me back here

I don't wanna do my job today

[forest arrow]

Brother the brainrot is still afoot

RUN

[bold geode]

It never left

[dense latch]

what is your record with lugia

[bold geode]

Nyan cat to this guy
It's always been there

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/nyan-cat-rainbow-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-5716621

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[warm estuary]

So what did i Miss

[bold geode]

Actually I have to add on to this
In one server I'm in
Someone did a calc where Choice Band Caterpie OHKOs Mega Malamar

[warm estuary]

What’s all this talking abt lugia

[tawdry urchin]

Not shure but won the magority of my games using it

[solid frigate]

Delusional Lugia Stan that is somehow worse than the anime Lugia Stan

[dense latch]

i can check your record on reg i if you want

or you can just do /rank on any showdown chat

[tawdry urchin]

And game freak had the AUDICITY to give malamar the worst mega aot

[warm estuary]

Tragic

[bold geode]

Tragic Bronson

[solid frigate]

The fact that

Trevanant has higher chance of winning worlds than the false god of the seas

Fuck Lugia,Kyogre the goat

[warm estuary]

The way that’s probably true

[forest arrow]

Oh I love Lugia, doesnt mean its not ass cheeks

[tawdry urchin]

what thing am I looking for? (elo, GXE, W, L, ext)

[bold geode]

Imma be real
I thought Lugia was a Dragon

[dense latch]

W are wins L are losses

[tawdry urchin]

10 wins, 15 losses, the losses MUST be from before yesturday when I used lugia because thats just wrong

[bold geode]

[warm estuary]

HAHAHA

[bold geode]

Bro just admit you ate shit with Lugia, we've done the same with others

[dense latch]

you would be a bit higher on elo if that was the case i think

[tawdry urchin]

stats don't reset btw thats why 💔

[solid frigate]

It’s basically just Kanto eggy

But with a ghost typing and Physical attacker

[forest arrow]

Still negative with lugia

thought it was amazing

[bold geode]

Isn't there a reset button?

[forest arrow]

[forest arrow]

There is

[warm estuary]

Lol I taught it was special attacker

[tawdry urchin]

Pokemon vgc players when you try out different teams and don't stick to the same one for years 😂

[solid frigate]

Yeah it isn’t that’s why it’s kinda worse since you are more vulnerable to Incin than Eggy give him a sitrus and harvest the fuck out of it

[warm estuary]

It really has a bad special attack

[dense latch]

there's ways to use different teams that aren't just objectively throwing

[bold geode]

Trevenant actually isn't like too dogshit tbh

[forest arrow]

Normie players when you lose and ask what to change and dont like hearing what you tell them

[dense latch]

you ask for feedback then don't care about it when it's given

[bold geode]

I can't believe y'all are still doubting my glorious king

[tawdry urchin]

No once has someone seriously gave me feadback without slander

[bold geode]

You're never gonna believe this
Everyone does that

[warm estuary]

Yes eggy is much better also very goofy pokemon

[solid frigate]

Yeah that’s what I meant lol

It has a niche but due to its nature being a physical attacker it’s slightly worse than Eggy

[bold geode]

People always look for the call, they switch teams a lot actually

[forest arrow]

Okay buddy Monke was telling you yesterday that it was bad, Its your fault you take it as slander

[dense latch]

is saying "use protect" slander?

[bold geode]

I'd say there's more that switch teams than those that stick to one thing

[forest arrow]

Protect is a waste, like what?

dont ask for help then

[dense latch]

it's not slander if it's true, we dont just hate lugia with every ounce with our body it's just been proven that it's one of the worst restricteds

[tawdry urchin]

Thats the bare minimum 😭

[warm estuary]

I think that switching is better and also of you wanna inprove teambuilding switching is better so you can teambuild around different mons

[bold geode]

Eh idt not switching is bad
Like it's good to try out different things but some people just like the comfort and y'know what

That's alright too

[tawdry urchin]

My team needs type coverage and my supports need to be the most consistant they can get, protect ruins all that

[forest arrow]

Brother your csr did nothing in the game you sent us

[bold geode]

You do realize that Protect
Keeps your Pokemon safe for a turn correct

[dense latch]

it sounds like you're overcompensating for a specific pokemon that isn't pulling their weight

[tawdry urchin]

Because it got outspeed? And I still won BECAUSE OF LUGIA LMFAO

[warm estuary]

Yeah it’s alr i don’t really care if people switch up or not

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-banjo-build-clown-cross-z-gif-20834514

[forest arrow]

Terrible gameplay from both parties

[dense latch]

you don't need to stack a lot of coverage options in one pokemon, that's what your other mons are for

just make sure you're actually covering your other restricted's shortcomings

the thing with csr + lugia is that they have like no synergy

[bold geode]

You ever see the meme of the army guy that dressed as a clown that was with the other army dudes

[warm estuary]

Omg i did lmaooo

[dense latch]

if you had zamazenta instead of csr for example that removes the need for tera fighting tera blast

[solid frigate]

Yeah I did lol

[dense latch]

it also has to do with the fact that sableye whim and clefairy offer practically no value offensively

so you'll obviously lack coverage if you're only working with three pokemon

[solid frigate]

And could free up Tera blast for protect

[tawdry urchin]

Thye where using shadow riding the wake doesn't matter who was playing I would still win

[bold geode]

"Guys they're gonna expect army men y'all are dumb"

[solid frigate]

Actually Monke you know what

If they somehow have another GC I’ll play Trevanant for fun lol

[bold geode]

Actually
Y'know what
Can I at least see the team

[dense latch]

if you want honest feedback that's my take

[bold geode]

Please do actually

[dense latch]

it's higher up

[forest arrow]

brother no

[bold geode]

Can someone get it for me
I don't wanna scroll

I have lazy bitch disease

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/9139e9736832f340

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/trevenant-disco-afro-trevenant-disco-gif-27711495

[tawdry urchin]

GREAT! So let me ask my original question again and MAYBE I won't get shit on just because I'm using a pokemon they think is trash, What do I change?

[warm estuary]

Should we all for fun play trevenant at the same time for one day

[dense latch]

also your ev spreads need some work

[solid frigate]

Nah I don’t want anyone to suffer lmfao

[forest arrow]

Min maxing everything

[bold geode]

Man
I'm looking at this

[warm estuary]

Suffering all togheder is funnier

[bold geode]

What the fuck

[solid frigate]

Do it in ZA would be better then lol

[bold geode]

Why do you have Grass tera Whimsicott

[warm estuary]

I don’t have da game

Lol

[solid frigate]

Fair enough

[dense latch]

i'll give a bit more feedback in a sec i just want to say it's not just this specific group of people telling you lugia is trash, go into any server or chat that can offer you some vgc feedback and they'll say the exact same

[warm estuary]

I’ll buy it in the future

[dense latch]

under no circumstances you'd drop lugia right

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah because if you use any restriced that isn't meta you'd probally get shit on redgardless

[tawdry urchin]

Yes

[forest arrow]

Meaning what? its bad right?

wouldnt of thought

[dense latch]

if you go the csr route the team is a few mons away from being decent

if you stay with lugia i think you need to hit the reset button altogether

[bold geode]

My honest opinion

1. If you want a screens setter, Grimmsnarl is like miles better
2. You need Protect on literally something, mainly your two restricted, especially the Shadow Rider. Shadow Rider without Protect is just straight dog ass
3. I think you need some supports that also can do damage, I'd actually suggest Ogerpon Cornerstone as another option
   You need some damage that way if you REALLY wanna make Lugia work, you can at least have one game plan besides just setting up where you can get rid of x and MAYBE win cuz they can't get rid of Lugia

[tawdry urchin]

Just because a pokemon from a glance looks bad comapred to others doesn't mean it will be in an actual game

[bold geode]

My favorites are Incineroar and Urshifu Rapid Strike

[forest arrow]

If you really want to use Lugia, I say you go full balance route. Incin Rilla Ursh clef CsR Lugia

[solid frigate]

Honestly this quote is so outdated that it’s funny

[warm estuary]

Powercreep is real

[forest arrow]

It wasn’t just a glance, it never got anywhere in any regional

[warm estuary]

Wow mine is flutter mane

[forest arrow]

[bold geode]

Sadly I think this has been my most used mon in the generation

[forest arrow]

My favorite support mon

[dense latch]

this is probably the only way to make it work and hope csr carries

kinda treat it like a terapagos

[forest arrow]

That’s what I was thinking

[solid frigate]

Lugia is basically Terapagos but somehow worse

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/b48064e0a544ab29 this was the best pagos team at worlds

[warm estuary]

Lugia has been used once in a regional in all of scarlet and violet

[solid frigate]

Meanwhile Ho-Oh is multiple

[warm estuary]

So not just a glance

[dense latch]

except i'd go for a more offensive csr since lugia doesn't pull its weight as much as terapagos

[tawdry urchin]

Grimsnaul dosen't have ability swap and lugia go crazy with prankster and what other pokemon like clefairy even is there that can do the same support and damage? Ogerpon can't do the same thing

[bold geode]

1. You don't really need Ability Swap unless you're really just playing gimmicky
2. Clefairy doesn't do damage and Ogerpon has both Follow Me and crazy damage output

[forest arrow]

Rockpon would be pretty good there

Are you saying you need friend guard for Lugia to be good?

you need prankster for Lugia to be good?

Then it’s not good

[bold geode]

Honestly the whole team needs a rework even if Lugia was the best Pokemon of all time, like Lugia's mid ness aside this is kinda poor teambuilding

[tawdry urchin]

Not after you and heal puse though, and why wouldn't I want a mon where half it's moves are support to have an ability that uses them before anything else? You can just spam calm mind and recover and csr, miraidon, lunala and heck EVERY special attacker can't do ANYTHING but watch

[warm estuary]

Btw it was in the single restricted format

[bold geode]

The only good thing I can say about the team is that you chose to run Urshifu and CSR with it, cuz with Lugia being not all that great, you at least if you really do believe in it you want to surround it with good Pokemon

Stuff like Sableye which is just objectively worse doesn't really cut it

[tawdry urchin]

#competitive_discussion message Read this

[gentle crag]

1uk919 (ID 817056763429257236)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Not after you and heal puse though, and why wouldn't I want a mon where half it's moves are support to have an ability that uses them before anything else? You can just spam calm mind and recover and csr, miraidon, lunala and heck EVERY special attacker can't do ANYTHING but watch

Command triggered by 1uk919. Message from · Feb 8, 2026, 4:30 PM

[bold geode]

I did
Still kinda bad

[forest arrow]

1 crit and it’s over

[solid frigate]

I think Ho-Oh has both showings before idk

[solid frigate]

Or Go go gadget Chien Pao

[tawdry urchin]

Literally most meta restricted mons are sp attackers and I have a mon thats takes hits like it's nothing while healing it all off and doing crazy damage

[tawdry urchin]

That could be said for every pokemon in existance

[bold geode]

I think the problem of this team too and which is also why I say you need mons like Ogerpon who can do damage
Is because you are kind of putting all the eggs in the Lugia basket and in cases where that doesn't happen to work like let's say it doesn't work

[tawdry urchin]

and I can use follow me btw

[bold geode]

Let's think of a world where Lugia doesn't work for some reason
What now

[tawdry urchin]

I attack with something else?

[forest arrow]

All bro had to do into you was lead Korai CSR Flare blitz astral, you aren’t living that I’m sorry

[warm estuary]

Yes just one tournament where it was single restricted but it saw decent play in double restricted even top 16 at last year words

[solid frigate]

Basically me rn

[bold geode]

Alright let's say for example I lead Chi Flutter into your Lugia
And I go for Heat Wave and Icy Wind and I crit and Lugia goes down
Just hypothetically speaking it happens right
What happens
It might sound weird

But these are situations that you have to cover in teambuilding and I think the issue here is that you haven't really covered some hypotheticals cuz we're just tryna make Lugia a literal Dark Souls boss

[forest arrow]

EV spreads for example, you’re max max on everything

That’s not good

[bold geode]

My thing is ok so imma be generous
We're gonna be generous and say Lugia is niche okay
The best advice I can give you and this goes for anyone tryna make an off meta Pokemon work

Is to surround it with meta Pokemon that help it out

[tawdry urchin]

I mean It won't? I'm light screen

[bold geode]

Which we haven't done here

[bold geode]

In the hypothetical I said I crit btw, which ignores screens

[tawdry urchin]

and even if it somehow did happen then oh no, anways I'll use my 2nd restricted mon

[forest arrow]

With no protects on it

1 incin with knock off and it’s over

[bold geode]

Chi Yu is Scarf and the Flutter is probably having a speed boost
The CSR especially without Protect is not having a fun time

[forest arrow]

And that’s 50% of teams

If not more than half

[warm estuary]

Protect is a necessary move in vgc

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/lizzo-its-about-damn-time-its-about-time-about-time-time-gif-26332372

[warm estuary]

Haha thanks

[gentle crag]

oio_314 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[tawdry urchin]

Urshifu the chi yu and then follow me flutter's moon blast and ko flutter next turn?

[bold geode]

Ok so we can think of a plan that's a good thinf

[tawdry urchin]

[bold geode]

Anyways that is my honest advice
No slander no nothing
Lugia is not a meta pick and when we use off meta picks, sometimes it's a lil harder to win
Therefore what can make it easier is if we use the meta Pokemon that best benefit it

Especially in a double restricted format cuz especially if you have gimmicks like for example the ability swap Sableye
You're in a format where gimmicks are a lil less consistent and where making mistakes is far less forgiving

[tawdry urchin]

Ok so what meta mon benefit from my using lugia?

[bold geode]

I would see what helps Lugia instead of benefits from it

What Pokemon are Lugia weak to
What do I/Lugia struggle into
What can help me with that

[tawdry urchin]

Honestly I'm not shure... Lugia wins most retstriced 1v1s anyways being a sp wall

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-he-made-a-statement-so-ass-the-dog-left-this-planet-gif-268224778921118459

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/d9c1b348dc9fdb39

Idk what Tera you give Lugia

[tawdry urchin]

and basially every game it survives for the 3/4 or the whole off it

[forest arrow]

But this is my take on it team wise

[tawdry urchin]

#competitive_discussion message Mhm mhm point proven

[gentle crag]

1uk919 (ID 817056763429257236)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
GREAT! So let me ask my original question again and MAYBE I won't get shit on just because I'm using a pokemon they think is trash, What do I change?

Command triggered by 1uk919. Message from · Feb 8, 2026, 4:20 PM

[warm estuary]

You went 10/15 there’s no way you don’t know at least one or 2 weakness to Lugia

[solid frigate]

nah that was towards you lmfao

[tawdry urchin]

Bruh I used diffrent teams before lugia and stats don't auto reset...

[warm estuary]

So you are saying you win always

[bold geode]

Then how about we look at some tools
Actually wait I forgot
I'm missing something LOL

[tawdry urchin]

No sableye? willo wisp pollen puff shadow rider!?

[bold geode]

Actually I think one problem we need to scratch first
Come to think of it
I feel maybe we can have a better pairing restricted wise than CSR

[tawdry urchin]

Out the the magority of the games I've played yesterday and today I've won. I think I've only lost 3/4 games

[warm estuary]

I love pollen puff shadow rider

[bold geode]

Hold on hold on guys be quiet for a min

[forest arrow]

You’re using Lugia and have the audacity to say this to me

[bold geode]

Imma ask you and I want you to answer me this
What do you think restricted wise would help Lugia the most

[tawdry urchin]

Who could pollen puff possibly be for? 😭 Urshifu?

[forest arrow]

Healing your own team

Bug is good into Psychic types

Bug is good into grass types

[tawdry urchin]

Tanking sp attackers, It wins every matchup against them

[solid frigate]

Also fucks Chien Pao

The Tera Bug JP CSR funny

[forest arrow]

Dark types too

[warm estuary]

Pollen puff shadow rider saw competitive play Lugia didn’t

[forest arrow]

I even used leech seed CSR from Agatis team

with the scream tail

[solid frigate]

Yeah it’s a thing in Japan and some players run that

Hell I run that with Kyogre once

[warm estuary]

I used that with pagos lmao

[foggy lodge]

Pollen puff csr is cool

You can hit tera darks or Farigiraf

[forest arrow]

It just makes sense, you’re already planning to make Lugia a boss battle like you would Pagos. Pollen puff just makes sense

[bold geode]

You need to read the question again

[warm estuary]

Throw back to when scyther won a regional

So peak

[forest arrow]

That whole team was crazy lol

But definitely cool

[tawdry urchin]

Like what 2nd restricted can help lugia? idk maybe something to deal with things do that resist flying and ground or a type coverage for lugia?

[warm estuary]

https://pokepast.es/6ebb4a6e6cf36c91

[warm estuary]

You don’t respond to a question with a question

[bold geode]

That's one thought we're thinking
Another thing I'm thinking about here

[bold geode]

Also in this context it's perfectly fine

Anyways
So we usually argue Tera Steel on Lugia
But let's say we can't use it for some odd reason
Especially considering well one weakness Lugia has is the typing

[warm estuary]

If you say so

[bold geode]

What Pokemon in the format would Lugia really be weak to
Restricted and non restricted

[tawdry urchin]

If lugia had no access to tera steel/ tera at all then thats it lugia is gone and never seeing the light of day, tera steel is THE reason why I use it

[warm estuary]

I feel that tera fairy better

[tawdry urchin]

Would rather the type thats resists more than half the types in the game for a mon that soaks damage

[bold geode]

Ok but thing is these are things you have to consider when you're in the builder

Also it helps to just naturally have things that help against the thing Lugia is weak to in or out of tera considering

[tawdry urchin]

Even before I used lugia I allways used tera of urshifu/ csr no matter what. Now it's allways lugia or urshifu in very rare matchups

[tawdry urchin]

I don't think anything pared with lugia is going to stop a csr or miraidon 😭

[bold geode]

Yeah but we will use all the 5 other slots to help out
The other restricted doesn't have to do it all either
What about troublesome non restricted

[tawdry urchin]

I mean theres really none, only whimsacott and amoongus ig

[stone trellis]

I should battle you to derust a little.

[bold geode]

Nah I got a few in mind

[stone trellis]

I'll probably lose badly since I suck against CSR, but whatever.

[bold geode]

Main ones I'm thinking
Are Incineroar, Chi Yu and Chien Pao just to start us off

[tawdry urchin]

Allright then, my ign is RedGyaradosLuke

[bold geode]

Pao threatens with Dark and Ice and Incin and Chi with Dark and if we DO consider the Tera Steel, guess what

[tawdry urchin]

Lugia walls pao and has earth power

[bold geode]

I'm sorry Lugia does not do that unless it teras and even then

Also why no Aero into Pao?

[tawdry urchin]

I mean earth power into incin and chi yu

[tawdry urchin]

I use tera on lugia every game anyways it won't make a difference

[stone trellis]

I'm ready to fight.

[bold geode]

Ok
But still wouldn't it be nice if we had a guy that could help with these mons

Less you gotta deal with them and hey that Earth Power could be another Calm Mind or a Protect or an attack into something else

What I'm thinking
Is Zamazenta

Helps with pesky Dark types that could threaten you and even helps with Ice Rider and just general spread damage

[foggy lodge]

Would Hannah Montana use Gothitelle Scream Tail in VGC

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2535463894-vma5bpeutm6kbb254xvnaw7y13oars2pw

[bold geode]

I'd love to imagine that Perish Song was just Miley Cyrus Wrecking Ball

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2535466495-9ripdw9xa9wfgmsycr3bj2qbnyeslabpw

Derusting done; The team sucks.

Use Protect for once, mate.

You were getting read like a book for the entirety of game 2.

[forest arrow]

They don’t have protect

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's the point.

He should have it.

[tawdry urchin]

protect isn't going to do jack shit

you just attack next tunr

[stone trellis]

The option of you having Protect forces me to think if I need to attack on this turn.

It also means you're able to stall out an opponent's Trick Room and Tailwind more efficiently.

Protect is very valuable, you're just too new and too obsessed with this shitty Pokemon to see it yet.

[forest arrow]

We all learn someway

Give it time cause we were all the same way once

[stone trellis]

I know, I'm just harsh because I don't think he'll learn otherwise.

[forest arrow]

Fair

I suggest watching good VGC content

Like Aaron Cybertron Zheng

[stone trellis]

I also suggest experimenting with different restricteds.

Like, my first restricted duo was fucking KoraiNala because I knew it shat on CSR.

[forest arrow]

I also suggest try using protect its not worthless

Koala was a beautiful team

[stone trellis]

Like I said, it forces your opponent to consider what they're actually going to do on each turn.

[bold geode]

You especially want Protect on a Pokemon that's tanky like that or supposed to be

Hell Protect and a Leftovers would do work

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it wouldn't make game 2 such an asswipe.

[tawdry urchin]

I can just after you or use my own tail wind?

[bold geode]

If Clefairy is slower no After You works

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[tawdry urchin]

Because I have jack shit agaist ice rider

[stone trellis]

What if you don't want to bring Clefairy or Whimsicott?

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/out-ghost-disappear-bye-gif-12426892

Have a good day

[stone trellis]

YOU HAVE MOTHERFUCKING CSR BRO

[tawdry urchin]

Thats what I mean, if trick rooms is up

[tawdry urchin]

And you're tera water 🥀

[stone trellis]

Or what if both/either are dead?

[stone trellis]

I've lost to countlessly many CSR players, me having Tera Water never stopped them.

[tawdry urchin]

How?

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-gif-5398255664279746635

[dense latch]

because they have ways to punish ice rider before and after tera

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-pokemon-ogerpon-persona-5-group-chat-gif-2379131978984132260

[tawdry urchin]

Ice rider has 150 defence btw

[forest arrow]

No it’s frail

[stone trellis]

?

[dense latch]

still gets kod by rilla after tera water if it’s slightly chipped

that’s the problem with having three support mons that offer nothing offensively

[stone trellis]

Oh wow, you think that might be because it's Wood Hammer from a Pokemon with 125 base Attack in Grassy terrain?

[dense latch]

you can’t hit half the types in the game

[dense latch]

im talking to the other guy

[forest arrow]

They said this yesterday

116+ Atk Tera-Water Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Tera-Water Calyrex-Ice Rider in Grassy Terrain: 186-218 (90.2 - 105.8%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[dense latch]

i am well aware that ice rider is bulky lmao

[forest arrow]

Btw just gonna leave this here

[foggy lodge]

Still discussing Lugia after a whole night of discussing Lugia💔

[dense latch]

i want to talk about juanfi winning santiago undefeated but idt anyone cares

and reg f sucks

[foggy lodge]

I care because he already had an invite from LAIC

He stole an invite from someone else

[forest arrow]

I said it’s frail cause Lugia guy called it frail yesterday

I don’t literally think CIR is frail it’s one of my babies

[tawdry urchin]

Because it's Lugia ☕

[forest arrow]

Here’s your 150 def btw

[foggy lodge]

I miss leech seed CIR

[dense latch]

just add more offense to the team

[forest arrow]

Nah leech seed CSR

[foggy lodge]

But with champions I will use leech seed Mega Venusaur heheheheheje

[dense latch]

i remember thinking it was a stream error when i saw agati using it

[forest arrow]

Such a good team

[foggy lodge]

I saw Agati tera in front of a darkshifu and still lose 70% HP

[warm estuary]

Worst statement i heard in the past year

Maybe even more

[dense latch]

how do you explain to someone why protect is the most important move in the game

it’s like trying to describe colors to me

[forest arrow]

Lmao

[foggy lodge]

Counterargument

You lost to a mon that didn't do anything for a turn

[stone trellis]

"Current format sucks" has been said for how many years in a row now?

[dense latch]

10

[foggy lodge]

Probably 16 years already

[dense latch]

i wouldn’t have it any other way

[stone trellis]

Why do you people play then?

[dense latch]

we had this conversation earlier

[foggy lodge]

Some people like us need some slight bit of missery every once in a while

[stone trellis]

It's either that you hate yourselves or the format doesn't actually suck.

Ah, so it is self-hatred.

[warm estuary]

Reg f doesn’t suck

[foggy lodge]

A bit

[tawdry urchin]

Because theres mons that NEED 4 moves that aren't protect.

[forest arrow]

Full blown masochists

[dense latch]

csr isn’t one of them

[foggy lodge]

But tbh I think SV as a whole sucks now lmao

[stone trellis]

Okay, but some of them do need it.

[warm estuary]

And there’s some that need protect

[foggy lodge]

But atp I play just because I like VGC and Pokémon anyways like

[stone trellis]

For example: CSR (any version besides Specs).

[foggy lodge]

Even tho reg F is mid I still like Pokémon so

[warm estuary]

Reg A best format

[forest arrow]

I love Pokemon hate the format our community chose

[dense latch]

this is what got me through the other formats

[forest arrow]

I voted for C 😭

[foggy lodge]

I think I also have to learn to bear the formats honestly

[stone trellis]

I don't really play VGC anymore because
A. Reg F sucks di- dies
B. I've been on the GD grind creating two extreme demons as a collab

[foggy lodge]

Because like not every format will be the best but if you still like mons as a whole you like the game and it will get you through the hard times of VGC

[tawdry urchin]

Obviously, it's a glass cannon

[dense latch]

this is the only format i’ve actively disliked from the start

[dense latch]

then give it protect

[stone trellis]

"It will you" 💔

[foggy lodge]

I ate a word

[tawdry urchin]

I have now 😊

[dense latch]

ok good

[stone trellis]

You should've kept it unchanged, now my message looks fucking stupid.

[foggy lodge]

Ok but you deserve it

[forest arrow]

lol

[dense latch]

(edited) saves you

[warm estuary]

Took long enough

[foggy lodge]

Who deserves the humilliation a person who made a genuine mistake and changed to solve it

Or the person who mocks off of that mistake

Top 5 lessons in life

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/meditation-gif-17436395583685247793

[dense latch]

the answer is dozo players

[forest arrow]

How max felt after saying that

[stone trellis]

I've never been kind when it comes to helping others with VGC because that's the way I learned.

[warm estuary]

Dozo is a good mon

[stone trellis]

Sometimes, you just have to be told to your face that your teams suck and you're winning games because no one expects your random shit.

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu can't get nerfed if Dozo is still meta tbh

Sucks to suck in this game LOL

[warm estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-wordle-so-good-he-made-a-statement-wordle-meme-gif-1283427497853712672

Fuck I meant statement not wordle

[foggy lodge]

Actually hot take I think I already said it here

[warm estuary]

Wrong gif

[dense latch]

my brain autocorrected it to statement i didnt even notice the wordle

[stone trellis]

Thanks either way, brother.

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to oio_314

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu having secured crits actually helps in the meta to stop stalling stats to run away with the game

[warm estuary]

Hahah lol

[warm estuary]

No worries

[warm estuary]

Mega urshifu when /joking

[foggy lodge]

If they create mega urshifu VGC officially dies

[tawdry urchin]

? It was using tera blast before why wound't I

[stone trellis]

I wasn't talking to you, mate.

[dense latch]

mega unseen fist - urshifu hits the opponent in between turns

[foggy lodge]

I hope champions has Urshifu Incineroar Rillaboom Flutter Mane Raging Bolt and Chien-Pao available since day 1🥰

[tawdry urchin]

oh mb

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/raging-bolt-pokemon-paradox-raikou-vgc-gif-17137987366850124151

[warm estuary]

Actually megas changes the ability so no more hits threw protect so less useful

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/roaring-moon-beloved-sweet-cute-love-gif-6892025355709398155

[stone trellis]

It doesn't change the ability every time.

[dense latch]

past paradox mons are so good

[foggy lodge]

Lowkey if the mega doesn't hit through tect base ursh is still better LMAO

[warm estuary]

The only mon where it doesn’t change is blaziken

[dense latch]

ttar

[warm estuary]

I think

[foggy lodge]

Scizor

[warm estuary]

Oh ok

My bad gang

[foggy lodge]

19 days for the Pokémon Day

19 days for the Champions release date

[dense latch]

you’re good it’s not really relevant enough right now to remember anyways lmao

[foggy lodge]

But we have to keep expectations low so #cope #thegameisgonnabeass #pokemonslop #vgcsucks

[stone trellis]

Unrelated, but making Geometry Dash shorts has proven to be a massively successful strategy.

[warm estuary]

First regional of pokemon champions is gonna be won by gardevoir

Trust

[dense latch]

i hate clubstep shit level

[foggy lodge]

First format of champions everyone will discover why megas actually suck

[forest arrow]

Don’t we have a clip to watch during half time Pokémon wise for Super Bowl

[stone trellis]

There's going to be a team that everyone's going to call "invincible" and it won't win a single regional.

[foggy lodge]

A fragment of that already got leaked fun fact lol

[tawdry urchin]

Dark types are an issue? Theres what incin and gambit? Lugia can deal with them

[foggy lodge]

But I won't share it here

[stone trellis]

Does he know?

[warm estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[dense latch]

i would HATE if there was like a quiet version of clubstep

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/8joh-silent-clubstep-geometry-dash-8-jumps-of-hell-gif-15756997176613075980

[dense latch]

silent even

[warm estuary]

Ok so best restricted cosmoem confirmed right?

[stone trellis]

Boy, it would also suck if its unnerfed version was the third oldest extreme demon and it's so difficult that even to this day, it would be a top 1 once verified and rated since the first 25% and 72-76% are just inhuman.

[dense latch]

base calyrex

[warm estuary]

In gd I’m tryna beat can’t let go😭

[dense latch]

you’ll get there

[warm estuary]

True

[stone trellis]

I've already beaten Cycles, currently trying to beat Fingerdash.

[warm estuary]

I hope

[dense latch]

i’m only missing clubstep out of the main levels

[stone trellis]

I also need to decide how much I should buff Ouroboros if it's going to be a list demon.

[dense latch]

i just hate playing that level i think it’s easier than the other main demons

[foggy lodge]

I present y'all the anti Incin Amoonguss Ursaluna Porygon2 duo

https://pokepast.es/2b89b20905bba470

[warm estuary]

Weezing galar is si underrated

[foggy lodge]

Maybe actually cloak Weezing

So you don't get faked out spored

Or faked out trick roomed

[stone trellis]

What's your favorite top 1?

[forest arrow]

Bro don’t drop the sauce in the public

[stone trellis]

(Any answer that isn't Bloodlust is invalid)

[dense latch]

that’s a good question

i dont think i have a clear favorite

[foggy lodge]

We have to get to work

[forest arrow]

Did you see what I came up with yesterday?

[stone trellis]

What are some of your favorites?

[dense latch]

i like TS2’s music the best but bloodlust looks like it has the best gameplay

[stone trellis]

(We're counting future top 1s too)

[dense latch]

i cant remember avernus or acheron all too much

was avernus ever top 1 idek

[stone trellis]

BL (Bloodlust, not boy love) is my ultimate goal in GD.

And yeah, Avernus was top 1 after Acheron.

[warm estuary]

Chat hear me out mewscarada

[dense latch]

o wait

[warm estuary]

Jk

[dense latch]

probably zodiac

[warm estuary]

Imagine if meowscarada got fake out

It would be a grass type incineroar

Jus without intimidate

[foggy lodge]

Imagine if Meowscarada got 100 HP 125 attack 85 speed grassy surge and fake out

[forest arrow]

Max im a juvenile https://pokepast.es/2ba616c7bc1cc5a2

[foggy lodge]

I think sitrus weezing is a meh tbh

[stone trellis]

BRIMSTONE

[warm estuary]

Ew gouging fire

[tawdry urchin]

No wait what if they don't tera? What am I suppoed to do?

[foggy lodge]

I think rocky helmet or cloak are good to break the balance usual cores

[dense latch]

astral barrage

pin them

[forest arrow]

Astral barrage Wood hammer pins

[dense latch]

if they’re tera fire you have an urshifu

[warm estuary]

Rocky helmet better

[forest arrow]

I just slapped this together last night when we talked weezing

[foggy lodge]

I also like cloak cuz I think its better into Incin Amoonguss stuff

[forest arrow]

I like the hands idea could take Gapdos spot

[foggy lodge]

Which are also super common now but rocky is better into Incin Rilla Urshifu stuff

[forest arrow]

Cloak sounds fire can get away with not running ghost

[stone trellis]

I'm not gonna lie, if you guys train Luke to be my ultimate counter, I will hate you all with a burning passion.

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah true

[foggy lodge]

But it also depends on stuff around the meta you know

[forest arrow]

Tera dragon

[stone trellis]

Though if I end up beating his ass, I'll just be cemented as the forever GOAT of VGC.

[warm estuary]

Nah gapdos the goat

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss is shaping the format rn going into EUIC

Because Amoonguss has that characteristic of being a super rotative mon of like

[stone trellis]

Amoonguss is relevant again?

[warm estuary]

Gapdos top 5 best mon in the meta

[tawdry urchin]

I team allready had a good matchup against yours, I almost won game 1 but I had nothing for ice rider

[forest arrow]

[dense latch]

santiago top 4 had 4 ursalunas

[stone trellis]

Color me surprised, I thought he was fraudulent for a second.

[foggy lodge]

In this point is super good, 2 weeks later is lowering in usage and one week later is literally nowhere

[dense latch]

amoong always finds its way back in

[foggy lodge]

Yeah Amoonguss just has

[stone trellis]

"My team already had a good matchup, but it had nothing for the main fucking Pokemon of that team"

[foggy lodge]

Bad moments and good moments it always does that

[forest arrow]

They need to update teams, I want to see Juanfis team

I predicted Corv was going to pick up

[foggy lodge]

Remember when in reg H it also had a fraud moment cuz the balance team used Incin Rilla Gholdengo acrobatics sneasler

And still found a way to come back in the Ursa Incin P2 teams

Amoonguss just always does that

[stone trellis]

The games against Luke have motivated me to return to VGC, not gonna lie.

[warm estuary]

Use trevenant trust

[stone trellis]

Nah, I'm past the era of using ultra niche Pokemon.

[dense latch]

you’d think reg i would be hard for amoong bc of all the miraidons but then it was just used next to it lol

[tawdry urchin]

Bruh your cir had like 15% hp left and I had no super effective moves for it so hows it bad?

[forest arrow]

Well you got I on cart or F on showdown pick your fav

[dense latch]

again

team issue

[warm estuary]

Use incineroar flutter raging bolt rillaboom and urshifu

[stone trellis]

I can fencesit and do both.

[dense latch]

what i’ve been trying to explain for a while already

[forest arrow]

Fair am also doing that atm

[foggy lodge]

When they announced reg G i predicted that was the format where Amoonguss would dissapear because CSR kills it, CIR kills it, Miraidon nullifies spore, Koraidon kills it

And it STILL was used

[tawdry urchin]

Which Is why #competitive_discussion message 🙃

[gentle crag]

1uk919 (ID 817056763429257236)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
https://pokepast.es/9139e9736832f340 What do I change?

Command triggered by 1uk919. Message from · Feb 8, 2026, 3:28 PM

[dense latch]

and i’ve given you feedback already

[forest arrow]

Only thing is, Bonnet was discovered

[foggy lodge]

Bonnet is so cool

[warm estuary]

Bonnet better

[dense latch]

drop sableye probably drop clefairy for ogepon

add coverage

[foggy lodge]

Reg G the only format where 2 grass dark types which were considered terrible found usage lmao

[warm estuary]

Bonnet is such an underused mon

[forest arrow]

And it walled both horses lmao

[stone trellis]

I wonder if I should try a different CIR-Miraidon team and if I can even do well with anything that's not PTFK anymore.

[dense latch]

the mdb team is pretty cool

won senior worlds

[stone trellis]

Was it Leech Seed?

[dense latch]

no

[warm estuary]

What’s ptfk?

[foggy lodge]

MDB's team is good but I think the reason Michael dropped it for worlds was because the CSR Zama MU was terrible LMAO

[stone trellis]

Protect the Frozen King, also known as my magnum opus of teams.

[foggy lodge]

Throwback to Michael switching teams the day before worlds

[dense latch]

and still getting top 8

[forest arrow]

Bros a goat

[warm estuary]

Oh yeah I saw your team

[stone trellis]

It sucks, doesn't it?

[warm estuary]

I saw worse

[stone trellis]

That doesn't say much, considering the average CSR player's teambuilding capabilities.

[foggy lodge]

Calyrex-Ice @ Leftovers
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground

• Protect
• Glacial Lance
• Leech Seed
• Trick Room

[stone trellis]

There's always something worse as long as you don't play CSR and you've escaped low ladder.

[foggy lodge]

Share to scare Miraidon

[tawdry urchin]

#competitive_discussion message You ghosted me lmafo

[gentle crag]

eriksp (ID 689848760909561965)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
i'll give a bit more feedback in a sec i just want to say it's not just this specific group of people telling you lugia is trash, go into any server or chat that can offer you some vgc feedback and they'll say the exact same

Command triggered by 1uk919. Message from · Feb 8, 2026, 4:22 PM

[forest arrow]

Bro we tried

[stone trellis]

Also dies to:

• Urshifu
• Rillaboom
• Other Ice Riders
• Kyogre

[warm estuary]

Well I don’t think it sucks I feel very weird assault vest miraidon

[foggy lodge]

Yeah tera ground CIR sucks honestly LMAO but its funny when you catch Miraidon with it

[dense latch]

search for my messages

[stone trellis]

It's worked for so long that I don't really care if it's awkward anymore.

[warm estuary]

CIR you run tera grass no objections

[warm estuary]

Fair

[foggy lodge]

I like tera grass in rain

Bro this fucking mon has so many good teras

Grass water fire dragon poison fairy

[dense latch]

if i didn’t then i can repeat it

[tawdry urchin]

All you've said after that is things linked to shadow rider, nothing about actually making team changes

[dense latch]

sableye does nothing

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/44e57b9e71e3d214

[dense latch]

clef does nothing offensively

[forest arrow]

See example team

We tried

You ignore

Have a good day

[dense latch]

is csr not part of your team?

[warm estuary]

I like tera grass bc spore

[tawdry urchin]

Light creen, reflec and ablity switch? Come on bruh 😭

[forest arrow]

Grimmsnarl is better

[dense latch]

you need offense dude

[warm estuary]

Just play grimmsnarl

[dense latch]

and if you want screens use grimm

[forest arrow]

Screens Twave Spirit break is better

[dense latch]

skill swap sucks

[tawdry urchin]

Doesn't have ability switch

[dense latch]

priority calm mind isn’t as good as you think

[forest arrow]

skill swap is gimmicky and not good

[dense latch]

and then you lose the one thing lugia has going for it

[forest arrow]

Multiscale is the whole point of Lugia

[warm estuary]

You don’t need it

[dense latch]

i’d try something like this

[warm estuary]

Skill swap it’s useless

[tawdry urchin]

Lugia's multi only lasts the 1st or 2nd turn, after that it does nothing. I easily get outspread and my first turns are using calm mind and recover. WHY wouldn't I want to give lugia an ability that sets it up before anything can attack it?

[dense latch]

it’s very hard to give feedback if you’re just gonna ignore it

[rustic mountain]

id try not lugia

[forest arrow]

Tree

[dense latch]

if you think you’re right about your team then stick with it

[forest arrow]

It’s brain rot central rn

[rustic mountain]

haha i see

i feel like ppl think its advice in bad faith like we dont want lugia to be good wen in reality is just subpar unfortunately and ur putting urself at a disadvantage in a competitive sense

if only all the pieces were equally good but itd b too chaotic some things just wont keep up especially w/ power creep

[dense latch]

we’ve all given up on trying to take lugia off the team

it’s just a lost cause

[warm estuary]

If you don’t want to get attacked you could just follow me calm mind

[forest arrow]

That’s why I tried at least making a sample paste to try to help

But yeah lost cause

[warm estuary]

Also a lot of spread attackers so maybe try to take them out before using Lugia

[tawdry urchin]

Lugia is a tank it's suppoed to soak damage. Why would a want a follow me user to take something like an electro drift?

[rustic mountain]

cuz electro drift hurts

[tawdry urchin]

Exactly and Lugia tanks it

[warm estuary]

Cuz then you probably have one turn before dying with Lugia

[rustic mountain]

if ur playing a protect the king gameplan w/ building up lugia dont want it taking unnecessary damage

[dense latch]

not unless you tera

by which point your opponent will just hit it with something that hits steel for super effective

[tawdry urchin]

Which is what I do every game, if it weren't for tera I wouldn't consider using Lugia in the first place

[dense latch]

because good teams have good coverage

[foggy lodge]

My team doesn't have electric or grass coverage am I cooked

[warm estuary]

So they can just destroy u with fire typing also using tera on the same mon every game isn’t very strategic

U might need it later

[stone trellis]

Fire, Fighting or Ground.

[dense latch]

having to waste your tera all the time on the same mon is bad

you have one big tool less than your opponent

[forest arrow]

Shit I don’t neither I’m so cooked

[dense latch]

just for lugia to “work”

[tawdry urchin]

I have reflect and earth power Lugia tanks it

[warm estuary]

As you saw from the game against paul you don’t

[forest arrow]

I feel like a csr urshifu astral CC would do it

[warm estuary]

Also if they taunt you don’t have screens

[tawdry urchin]

Paul did not use a fire type bruh 😭

[forest arrow]

No skill swap either

You let him run away with the game tho

[warm estuary]

Ground still one of yiur weakness,also if they didn’t go for follow me but used ivy cudgel with ogerpon you would have been destroyed

[forest arrow]

by wasting time

[dense latch]

vgc is not solitaire

[tawdry urchin]

You can't prankster taunt a dark type

[dense latch]

your opponent is not going to wait for you to set up like it's dragon ball

[rustic mountain]

u honestly just seem very adamant about wat ur doing and dont really care to hear the opposite not sure why u came somewhere for advice if its all just being argued. like cool u tank this atk then wat? lugia does nothing even at +1 to exert pressure and ur other pieces are too passive for ppl to care much about

[bold geode]

Low-key
Is Reg I ladder still on SD

[forest arrow]

You can taunt a dark type without prankster

Many Pokémon get taunt

[forest arrow]

Yes

[bold geode]

Fuck it we're building Lugia

[tawdry urchin]

Yet I only see it used on whimsacott

[dense latch]

??

[forest arrow]

Already got one for you

[warm estuary]

U use skill swap so you lose prankster after one turn

[warm estuary]

Pls don’t

[forest arrow]

?? Whims usually uses encore light screen tailwind in reg I

[warm estuary]

Or they taunt you before and can’t calm mind Lugia

[tawdry urchin]

Ok? By the time I do screens would've allready been set up and I sab would either be dead or I can just switch

[tawdry urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/usdd-to-pray-used-6eAbNaPng9nIbQ1XTN

[forest arrow]

Hes literally gonna give you something similar to what i made

[rustic mountain]

monke just resends ur paste

[warm estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[rustic mountain]

honestly tho if ur so confident go ladder, id love to see some replays of u winning even mid ladder games w/ that strat

[forest arrow]

I’ll find the replay

[warm estuary]

Mid ladders not low ladder

[tawdry urchin]

Do you think sab is sitting duck or? 😭

[tawdry urchin]

Sorry I don't like yours

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

@rustic mountain

[foggy lodge]

tree how is reg f going

[forest arrow]

I bet bolt balance is bolt balancing lol

[warm estuary]

Too much Lugia content

I’ll go away

Bbye

[rustic mountain]

they played that so bad and it was 1100s

[rustic mountain]

havent been playin it a ton but its been solid

honestly just ready for champions

[warm estuary]

So excited for champions

[tawdry urchin]

Theres no such thing as "Too much Lugia content"

[warm estuary]

There absolutely is

[tawdry urchin]

Yet I still won?

[rustic mountain]

keep going then

[dense latch]

that is a horrible mentality lmao

[rustic mountain]

see how far it doesnt get u

[warm estuary]

Worst mentality ever never play like that

Like you deserve to lose just for that

[tawdry urchin]

Oh no I made some missplays in a pokemon battle simulator boo hoo, anyways 💔

[foggy lodge]

ok so thing about champions

[forest arrow]

I’m ready for it

Sv is bleh now

[foggy lodge]

TPCi apparently was sending some emails to the japanese players I think

[forest arrow]

Too long

[foggy lodge]

And it apparently said something about japan nats possibly being played in champions

The translation was rough but that's what I understood

[warm estuary]

Wow

[rustic mountain]

damn thats hype if tru

[warm estuary]

You really like improving don’t u

[forest arrow]

Hopefully it is true

[rustic mountain]

too long cuz they did the format spacing horribly

[forest arrow]

Did you see Horoark won Sydney

[warm estuary]

Reg J best reg ever

Jokin

[warm estuary]

Peak

[rustic mountain]

no reason we should be getting multiple repeats and like 2 regionals for reg a

they rushed the dlc formats

[tawdry urchin]

Whats that supposed to mean?

[forest arrow]

Honestly

[rustic mountain]

well its sydney so

[forest arrow]

Revisiting A would’ve been cool as hell

[warm estuary]

It’s too late

[warm estuary]

Just forget it

[rustic mountain]

or just having it be longer initially

[forest arrow]

True

[tawdry urchin]

Improving takes more than 1 game btw

[rustic mountain]

nah but on a serious note idk hzoroark feels fake i dont see that team having staying power

[warm estuary]

Yeah I know

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/LexiconVGC/status/2019953109431419358?s=20

Alex Underhill (@LexiconVGC)

What do you guys have on your Pokemon Champions wishlist? I'll start:
-Proper replay functionality
-Battle Box locking
-Pokemon I'd like in the game on launch: Urshifu, Tornadus, Raging Bolt, Rillaboom, Incineroar, Flutter Mane
-Real Trainer customization!

X · Feb 7, 2026, 1:55 AM

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[foggy lodge]

The thing is "possibly" is also super scary LOL

[rustic mountain]

y

[forest arrow]

Me and max immediately starting cooking Geezing cause it’s on a regi Drago team and does mind games with urshifu

[foggy lodge]

Its also the chance of it not being released for japan nats

[warm estuary]

At launch i hope to see mega drampa

[foggy lodge]

But I hope it gets released at that point

[rustic mountain]

oh dude thats hilarious its disguise never activates w/ weezing right

[foggy lodge]

I think it doesn't lmao

But yeah is also strong I think cuz

Incin Amoonguss Ursaluna P2 is like the archetype to beat rn

[warm estuary]

So who supportes mega drampa?

[foggy lodge]

And I think Weezing Iron Hands can be strong into it

[rustic mountain]

tru

[foggy lodge]

Weezing blocks intimidate guts and download boosts

[forest arrow]

Im not sure haven’t seen the interaction, but you break the Ursh mind games and don’t take a dragon energy to the face off rip

[foggy lodge]

And Hands hits 3 of them for super effective

[waxen dock]

Nerf spore

[forest arrow]

Turn off whims prankster too

[foggy lodge]

And Weezing has taunt to shut down Amoonguss

[waxen dock]

Make it 1-2 turns of sleep instead of 1-3

[rustic mountain]

yea thats not bad at all

[waxen dock]

Who agrees?

[rustic mountain]

nah

[warm estuary]

Imagine if they remove spore from all of champions

[rustic mountain]

theres so many ways to deal w/ spore

[foggy lodge]

Getting 3 turn slept sucks tbh but eh i don't find a need to nerf it

[forest arrow]

I like the iron hands thought may adapt that into the team I cooked up

[warm estuary]

Imagine if darkrai move was legal on smeargle still

[tawdry urchin]

Just don't have it be 100% accurate

[waxen dock]

Then it loses its only uniquness

[rustic mountain]

iron hands is cool idk y its fallen off so much

[forest arrow]

Incin bolt

[rustic mountain]

i think ursa and lando being so prevelant dissuade it

[waxen dock]

Saefty googlea and grass type

Saefty googles can be knocked off

And grass is weak to amonguss sludge bomb

[rustic mountain]

it can and u can also taunt amoongus

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but them the goggles counterplay is on knock off only

[forest arrow]

Lando and Ursa for sure dissuade it

It needs vest

[tawdry urchin]

Good, that shit is broken and annoying as hell

[foggy lodge]

Like this game has counterplay for basically everything

[rustic mountain]

yep

[waxen dock]

Just make it 1-2 turns

[forest arrow]

Then you succumb to intim cycling

[rustic mountain]

except urshifu unseen fist

that needs to be nerfed

[foggy lodge]

Trick punching glove🧠

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[forest arrow]

Lmfao

[foggy lodge]

Fun fact close combat doesn't get affected by punching glove

Because its not considered a punching move

[rustic mountain]

i forgot that item existed

[warm estuary]

To counter spore just use sap sipper farigiraf

[foggy lodge]

So Urshifu can still hit through protect with it

[waxen dock]

No

[warm estuary]

Yes

[waxen dock]

Just nerd this damn move

[forest arrow]

You always want armor tail

Just give it goggles

[foggy lodge]

I think its fine considering how spore was in gen 5 dude LOL

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

Goggles didn't exist and it affected grass types

[warm estuary]

Goggles on farigiraf? Nah

[rustic mountain]

ppl have done it

[foggy lodge]

Nah goggles Farig is cool

[warm estuary]

Mental Herb

[foggy lodge]

You also have psychic so you have a built in anti Amoonguss

Farig just runs a lot of ítems

[warm estuary]

Mental herb best item

[foggy lodge]

Its a super flexible mon

[warm estuary]

It is

[foggy lodge]

Throat spray gaming

[dense latch]

this is what makes me feel grateful for the state in which spore is rn

it could be SO much worse

[foggy lodge]

One time they made a gen 5 format ladder on showdown and I got paraflinched and an Amoonguss slept my Amoonguss

[rustic mountain]

it used to be

[warm estuary]

I jus happy that with champions we’ll see conpletely different mons

[foggy lodge]

Yeah dude gen 5 VGC was peak absolutely

[warm estuary]

I hope there aren’t super good mons at realese

[foggy lodge]

Word

[rustic mountain]

amoongus somehow used to b way better

[warm estuary]

Conkelldur best pokemon of gen 5 vgc

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss being so good in VGC has made its plushies much more popular dude lmao

[warm estuary]

It did

[rustic mountain]

just did a quick lookup 11/18 world championship mons in sv era are from gen 9 , i wonder if any other gen had the same dominance or more from mons introduced in the same gen

[warm estuary]

Also i like your pfp @foggy lodge

[foggy lodge]

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