competitive_discussion

[next stump]

So if anyone is on the fence depending on champions, that helps

[forest arrow]

I think it’s like 80/85% back

[foggy lodge]

I can't hope for everyone to start hating on tera now that we are near the end of SV and then when we are in megas say again oh but tera was so cool

[forest arrow]

I think Tera was the best

[solid frigate]

Tera was the best in Bo3 environment

[foggy lodge]

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[upper zealot]

in 🔥

[forest arrow]

Gl!

[upper zealot]

ty

im really hoping itll be champs

[next stump]

pokemon lovessss keeping their fans in the dark hahaha

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2533165568-6oyjnq4jmoxph6mwxodkw5945fjk6b5pw
wen u dunno wat tf is goin on

[solid frigate]

The fuck are they cooking lmfao

[dense latch]

my only guess is they were tanking elo or something with a weird team instead of just forfeiting

i saw someone doing it in bo3 on twitter and their team still got exposed lol

[foggy lodge]

The pincurchin one?

[dense latch]

yea

[foggy lodge]

They are using Pincurchin for an amazing reason

[rustic mountain]

just one of the more wild teams ive seen and it seemed kinda ok w/ ditto chi yu flutter smeargle really just the grumpig sableye that were strange

[shadow wind]

VGC has been calling my name

I have 18 missed calls from Weezing

It might be time to pick up

[leaden fox]

If anyone can run a successful Weezing team in a Regional, I'll be happy to see it 😂

[leaden fox]

Oh, just remembered the time when they nerfed/balanced the Paradox mons because of Weezing 😂

[waxen dock]

https://pokepast.es/16151b8f6a1670cb they will probably run something like this

[leaden fox]

Yeah, could imagine that

[waxen dock]

why dont you run it yourself?

[leaden fox]

I'll try to do so xP

[waxen dock]

in what regional?

[leaden fox]

I mean, I'd have to go to a regional first xD

Unfortunately, new PC comes first

[rigid bridge]

2 quick questions, what are my options if i wanna play reg F on my switch and not on Showdown and does it make sense to run a reg F team in Reg I or would i put myself in a disadvantage?

[waxen dock]

just participate in limitless or vr tours or just ladder tours or gcs

[leaden fox]

I honestly still believe it sucks we are on two different formats and not the same shared one 🙁
Hopefully will never be the case once in Champions format

[waxen dock]

nooo

well no champions announcment today

[leaden fox]

Well it was a Partner Showcase, Pokémon is first party 😅

Plus don't expect any info until 27th Feb

[solid frigate]

Nintendo fans can’t beat the I can’t read allegations

[leaden fox]

It is why when I see the cases of games having "Basic reading ability required" these days xD

[solid frigate]

LMFAO TRUE

[waxen dock]

Guys

I used my reg f gc team to win a reg i battle on master rank

(It was a good mu and my flutter survived at 7 hp and chien pao 8 but still i won)

[leaden fox]

nice nice

[leaden fox]

Well then 😅 @waxen dock
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2533605284

[waxen dock]

Dont use offensive dozo

Use the red tatsu instead

It gives defense boost which is a good combination along with lefties and poison

But nice

[left bobcat]

I think mega heatran’s ability should be earth eater

[leaden fox]

I swear, if it does get Earth Eater, it'll be "Urshifu" levels of good xD

[stone trellis]

It won't.

[leaden fox]

Would be surprising if it did; but I suppose some people will run skill swap to benefit it if so

Shame there isn't many Skill Swap + Levitate that is "fast"

[left bobcat]

Sad no mega Urshifu 😔

[warm estuary]

Luckily no mega urshifu

[waxen dock]

Next gc when

[warm estuary]

I dunno

Guys what spread do you reccomend for chien pao

[solid frigate]

4 Defense 252 Attack 252 Jolly Speed

[warm estuary]

Aight thanks

[gentle crag]

oio_314 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[foggy lodge]

@waxen dock gg

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge wtf is that pfp

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/politoed-pokemon-pokemon-battle-revolution-poliwhirl-poliwag-gif-6500990106512660018

[red willow]

Looking at a high placing teams from events for reg I

What yall think of CSR Zama Rilla Incin SS Urshifu and Amoonguss?

[whole ocean]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8923ano/

I wanna know the best move sets for the other mons in this video

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-dismay-disappointed-stressed-bruh-gif-15749402

not another tiktok VGC team victim

[foggy lodge]

What is ss urshifu

[solid frigate]

single strike?

Cuz Surging strikes is also SS lol

even then doesn't Water Shifu work better

FWG core if anything

[red willow]

Wasnt real sure why they ran single over water either but ig Im not a top placing player lol

Maybe a meta call?

It was also holding black glasses so maybe they just needed a beefy dark stab move

[foggy lodge]

What tournament are you seeing

[bold geode]

Best advice
Don't

If it's in a Tiktok like that, then it's bait
Never thought I'd have to say that tbh

[solid frigate]

literally tiktok or some shorts like temp(well he's a bit normal compare to the usual ones) usually is engagement bait for people who has zero clue over comp pokemon

Singles and doubles there is no exemption

[waxen dock]

whats the team there?

[dense latch]

it's some doubles ou scale shot kyurem team

[waxen dock]

if its dou then it makes sense

[dense latch]

apparently even there kyurem just opts for av blizzard spam with a9

obviously not as bad as it would be in vgc though

[solid frigate]

@molten oasis

[molten oasis]

[dense latch]

at least that's what munchstats says lol

[thick talon]

guys how does cetitan, liligant, ribombee, araquanid, froslass and archaludon

sound

I might add a legendary or 2

[next stump]

for what kind of battles

[thick talon]

that would be zygarde or xurkitree

[thick talon]

competitive :)

ngl I love pokerogue so I just use what I like

so same thing goes in the main games I guess

[solid frigate]

the only one make sense here is archaludon and legendaries (Besides Restricteds like Kyogre are allowed)

once again

you shouldn't limit yourself to only use normal pokemon

if they want to use Archaludon i'll do something about it

[waxen dock]

half of those mons are so frail that without sash they probably die to any strong move from mon like okidogi

and the other half just have 1 good defense and solid spa and the other defense is bad

[solid frigate]

just... one by one

i want to know what they want to use after the natural selection

[next stump]

single or double battles?

[next stump]

https://standings.limitlessvgc.com/

Insanely cool new feature on limitless

live standings for regionals

[waxen dock]

why arent sydney teams released yet?

[next stump]

sometimes they release them in the morning before day 2

[red willow]

Why chople berry on incin over goggles like ever? Is there a specific fighting mon that can ohko through intimidate still?

[next stump]

Who is running chople berry?

[stone trellis]

CB Darkshifu.

Probably Annihilape too.

Might also be Tera Stellar Focus Sash Urshifu (Rapid Strike).

[bold geode]

You found maybe the one guy that used that

[foggy lodge]

Body pressers

[red willow]

Does zama ohko after def boost

Prolly still going with goggles tho

[stone trellis]

Of course it does.

It's using an 80 BP super effective move with an effective Attack stat of 313.

[bold geode]

I think you CAN survive it if you literally go 252/252 Impish but that leaves no investment for anything else and it's still a roll that is probably in their favor

[stone trellis]

+1 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 182-216 (90 - 106.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

It's not in their favor, but they still roll for an OHKO.

[tawdry urchin]

Is there a good Lugia team? I really want to use lugia

[stone trellis]

Nah, Lugia fucking sucks.

It's very weak to the three best restricteds in this format and its damage output is far too pitiful to make up for that.

[tawdry urchin]

How is it weak? It has calm mind and access to tera 😭

[stone trellis]

Good for it, 90 Special Attack is still pitiful.

And Tera only gets you so far.

And I'm 90% sure it has zero ways of dealing with any team that has both Ice Rider and Miraidon in it.

Ground types deal with Miraidon, sure, but those get fucked over by Ice Rider.

Tera Water helps Lugia resist Ice Rider's moves, but keeps it weak to Miraidon.

[tawdry urchin]

Earth power???

[tawdry urchin]

Tera steel???

[stone trellis]

Relying on setup is only justified if you can actually pull off outrageous damage after one (or two at best) turns of setting up.

[dense latch]

please don’t use lugia

[stone trellis]

Again, far too pitiful for it to matter and if it tries to use Calm Mind, it will still be damaged enough by Miraidon that it will be endangered next turn.

[dense latch]

horrid stat spread, terrible special attack

[tawdry urchin]

I've allready won 5/4 game using it lmfao

[stone trellis]

Also again, its damage output isn't half worth the process of setting up.

[dense latch]

it needs like 3 calm minds to even come close to what the rest of the special attacking restricted mons can do

[stone trellis]

On cart ladder?

[tawdry urchin]

huh?

[stone trellis]

Did you use the in-game ranked ladder to win 5 games and lose 4?

[tawdry urchin]

I'm using showdown, I've played 5 games with it and won 4 games

[stone trellis]

What rating did you start at and where are you at now?

[tawdry urchin]

Rating? 😭

[stone trellis]

Every time you win or lose a game, there's a number that goes up or down at the end of the game.

That's your rating.

[tawdry urchin]

1076

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that says a lot.

It doesn't really mean much if you win games at that level.

Not to insult you, but it's literally easy as hell to win games at that point.

[tawdry urchin]

Ok 😐 Not everyone is wasting their lives playing a simulated pokemon game

[stone trellis]

You asked if there's a good team that uses Lugia, I explained why there isn't one.

[tawdry urchin]

Literally not a single game I've played i've seen miraidon and ice rider. Lugia easily beats them btw

[dense latch]

5 games is not a big sample size

no one is trying to downplay your wins but it is objectively easier to win at lower elos with weaker restricteds

if you want to use lugia that’s fine, but there’s no good lugia teams because hardly any players choose it

[tawdry urchin]

Because everyone wants to use the new gen box and dlc legendays, Lugia has so much to offer

[solid frigate]

No it doesn’t

Bro is worse Pagos lol

And Pagos is already a fraud in Reg I

[bold geode]

Brother imma be honest

Lugia is mid

SURE you're bulky with Multiscale but like
You're a sitting duck

The only way it's ever really worked is with the Smeargle Muk CTS stuff

You just don't do enough consistently to warrant the set up and there's just other stuff like Miraidon and Ice Rider that provide way more value way faster than Lugia ever will

[shadow wind]

When does Reg F end?

[dense latch]

mid is honestly a compliment for lugia

[bold geode]

Not to mention with your hold on

[dense latch]

march 31st

[shadow wind]

Still so long

[bold geode]

Had to look up it's typing, that typing is God awful btw

[dense latch]

unfortunately yea

[shadow wind]

But that means I do have time to make a come back

I've been missing a competitive aspect in my life

[bold geode]

You're weak to Ice Rider, Shadow Rider, Miraidon, Zacian, Lunala and a bunch of non restricted like Chien Pao, Chi Yu, Incineroar, Raging Bolt, and many others if I wanted to mention em

Also no Lugia does not beat Miraidon or Ice Rider
That is unless the player just plays with their feet

[shadow wind]

Pray they play with their non dominant hand 🙏

[bold geode]

Nah gotta be their feet, we need to handicap them

[tawdry urchin]

Are miraidon and ice rider very bulky? No, Do that have a powerfull stab move with a high crit chance? No, Do they benfit from tera steel (Best type in the game btw) as much as or more than lugia? No

[shadow wind]

Twin I could play pokemon with my feet and have nothing go differently, it's buttons to click not a surgery

[bold geode]

You concern me you know that

[shadow wind]

I mean it's just buttons

People play way more precise games like smo with their feet

[bold geode]

Honestly imma be a bit of an asshole here
My best advice is you shouldn't use Lugia cuz you're kinda misguided with those takes and you're gonna expect way too much out of a Pokemon that can't get you the results you expect and then it's just gonna burn you out or frustrate you more

[shadow wind]

Needed to be said

[bold geode]

Take it from a guy who literally made that mistake

[tawdry urchin]

? All I need to do is set up 2 calm minds and I'm sweeping whats the issue?

[bold geode]

Ok so you need 2 turns to set up to do something that Miraidon or Ice Rider can potentially do the second turn if not the first

[shadow wind]

+2 252+ SpA Choice Specs Lugia Aeroblast vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 151-178 (72.9 - 85.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

I even gave it specs

[bold geode]

That makes me sad low-key

[shadow wind]

Yeah me too

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Even fraud ass Groudon does more damage holy shit

[tawdry urchin]

No crit?

[shadow wind]

😭

So true

[bold geode]

Ok so now you're relying on the fact that you get lucky

[shadow wind]

252+ SpA Groudon Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Sun: 162-192 (78.2 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[bold geode]

Cuz heightened isn't guaranteed

[shadow wind]

Wow it literally does more

[bold geode]

That's fucking foul

[shadow wind]

I mean Groudon does have a higher spatk stat than Lugia

To be fair

[solid frigate]

And that’s without stab as well

Just Sun boost

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[tawdry urchin]

You know it's doubles right? You can use 2 pokekemon to ko 1

[bold geode]

Brother that's literally what I do
That's what this whole chat does LMAO

[dense latch]

if this isn't ragebait then just continue using lugia and you'll eventually realize how weak it is compared to the rest of the pool

[shadow wind]

Now wait till this guy hears about triple battles...

[dense latch]

if you don't then great i guess

[solid frigate]

Again

If you try to use Lugia

[bold geode]

Now it's "oh I can double up" when you can use a restricted that doesn't require you to double up

[shadow wind]

Groudon is probably the worst restricted that is still usable

Maybe Ho oh actually

[bold geode]

Have you never heard of the saying "think smarter not harder"
Lugia is thinking harder

[solid frigate]

Nah that’s technically Ho-Oh

Pagos is like bare minimum

[shadow wind]

That's what I just said 😔

[solid frigate]

Ho-Oh is better than Pagos

And Pagos is literally just Lugia Pro Max

[bold geode]

Ho-Oh MU fished its way to top 16 of Worlds
Lugia could never

[solid frigate]

Man that was so fucking hype

[shadow wind]

I don't know about that one

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-alert-ho-oh-ho-oh-bird-pokemon-bird-gif-10790323810094488443

[solid frigate]

It’s still better in Double res

Single res Pagos is way better

[bold geode]

No no
Let em cook

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah so what's your point? Just because Lugia can't guarantee a 1 hit KO on something like ice rider doesn't make it "mid"

[bold geode]

Terapagos is kinda ass

[shadow wind]

Because it can't OHKO after 2 turns of set up with a stab signature move yes

[solid frigate]

First time Monke let me cook in this knowing I play Pagos and it’s always the fact Pagos fucking sucks in Double Res

If Pagos sucks at double res

So does Lugia

[shadow wind]

Quite literally might be the definition

[solid frigate]

They are literally the same

[shadow wind]

Except Pagos has 18 more tools than Lugia

[bold geode]

Yeah but you got all these other restricted that can and even other restricted like say Lunala for example that can't get the one hit KOs still give value via something else
If you're using Lugia especially as a set up sweeper
All the value you wanna get is coming out of getting those KOs quick, which Lugia cannot do

Hell it's struggling even after two turns to KO Ice Rider
That's literally a Trick Room and two High Horsepowers or Glacial Lances before you even attack it

[solid frigate]

Lugia is literally bad against the main 3 Restricteds lmfao

[tawdry urchin]

I run you first clefairy, trick room is nothing to me

[bold geode]

They can literally force you into a 4v1 if they even played it right and you'd just be cooked

[shadow wind]

"you first" 😔

[bold geode]

Oh but you still need two Calm Minds

[bold geode]

I love you first Lillikoal

[shadow wind]

Me too

[solid frigate]

Glacial Lance go brrrrr

[tawdry urchin]

That's not an issue, I have multi and my 2nd Mon can either go offence or support (follow me)

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576

[bold geode]

Like if you wanna really ride the Lugia train that hard go ahead, I'm very clearly not gonna change your mind but I'm just telling you straight up how it is
Your goat is washed and there is probably a lot of people who are also more qualified than I am who would tell you the exact same thing

[solid frigate]

Nah Lugia was never good in first place (in VGC)

[shadow wind]

I remember using Lugia in Reg G just to see if it was usable

It was the restricted that made me quit the "challenge"

[solid frigate]

Yeah

Before Miraidon beat the fraud allegations

[shadow wind]

Reg G2

[forest arrow]

My goat

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576

[forest arrow]

I will not tolerate Ice Rider slander

[solid frigate]

Honestly same

Ice rider grew up on me

[forest arrow]

Used it heavily in G before I made the swap to Koraidon

[tawdry urchin]

HOW!?!? I've given valid reasons as to why lugia is great 😭😭😭
Pokémon vgc players when a Pokémon doesn't do 1,000,000 in 1 turn and 1 shots everything 💔

[shadow wind]

Then show us

[solid frigate]

Get top 1 in the ladder with it

With 70%GXE

[shadow wind]

Bro who cares about gxe

Genuinely you could have a 50 gxe and be #5 on ladder and I'm mad impressed

[solid frigate]

Also like

[dull ibex]

hello party people

[bold geode]

Brother idk if you've ever looked at a meta game for VGC

But like half the good Pokemon kinda do that

[solid frigate]

Lugia is already like bad in many ways

• Shitass typing for the meta
• Have literally no Offenses besides Calm Mind
• teammates have to hard Carry Lugia than Opposite
• Ho-Oh>Lugia
• Awkward Speed Tier
• Victim of Powercreep
• Can’t get you a girlfriend
• Anime Nostalgia bullshit

[bold geode]

Like if you need more proof
Look at Lugia results
And look at Miraidon and Ice Rider results
You'll see a difference I bet

[bold geode]

Also

[solid frigate]

Ok awkward speed tier is a stretch but like in that meta where it’s almost either 135 or above or fuck ass snail

[bold geode]

I think 100/150/130 fyi is pretty fuckin bulky

[forest arrow]

Basically the same defense but swapped

Not bulky

[solid frigate]

It’s literally the same thing lol

[forest arrow]

Haha

[tawdry urchin]

??? What does everyone run 2 set up moves now 😭💔

Calm mind and a recovery move is more than enough

[solid frigate]

Literally none of them rn Set up moves

And still do better than Lugia can ever dreamt of

[shadow wind]

90 spatk just makes me sad

[bold geode]

Me when I've set up 5 Calm Minds for the +2 CSR to outspeed me and crit

[forest arrow]

You hit like a wet noodle

[shadow wind]

To be fair you would live with mscale

Maybe

[tawdry urchin]

Miraidon gets ko'ed by landious earth power btw 🥹

[bold geode]

Don't doubt Astral Barrage

[forest arrow]

Lando life orb earth power is nothing to scoff at

[solid frigate]

Miraidon? specs and Terrain
Calyrex? Grim Neigh and Chilling Neigh
Kyogre,Koraidon,Groudon? Weather
Zamazenta and Zacian? They already have self boost

That’s already over half of them

[forest arrow]

One of the Best Mons in the format rn

[bold geode]

Ok but does Lugia KO Miraidon before setting up for 5 turns

[shadow wind]

+2 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Multiscale Lugia on a critical hit: 160-190 (75.1 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[bold geode]

We're talking about coughing baby and you bring up hydrogen bomb, stay on topic

[shadow wind]

This is my very optimal Lugia ev spread

[bold geode]

Multiscale is fucking stupid

[forest arrow]

One Plot and it’s over

[tawdry urchin]

"miraidon watch out there's a little fluff ball with moon blast"

[shadow wind]

Lowkey makes Lugia the best restricted

[bold geode]

Literally Multiscale exists on that Mon and the Astral still puts you in a stretcher

[shadow wind]

Uh

+2 and a crit + stab + super effective and it lives, lowkey I'd be happy

[bold geode]

Yeah
@grok Lugia is goated

[forest arrow]

Lmao grok

[shadow wind]

grok would say yes

[tawdry urchin]

Point proven 💔 #competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

1uk919 (ID 817056763429257236)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
HOW!?!? I've given valid reasons as to why lugia is great 😭😭😭
Pokémon vgc players when a Pokémon doesn't do 1,000,000 in 1 turn and 1 shots everything 💔

Command triggered by 1uk919. Message from · Feb 8, 2026, 12:12 AM

[shadow wind]

Lugia is legendary imo

[bold geode]

C'mon give Grok a lil more credit

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 156 HP / 4 SpD Miraidon through Light Screen: 117-138 (60 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

idfc about this lol

I played Miraidon too much to actually care about Lando now

[bold geode]

Yeah but I just asked you if it does that after 5-6 turns essentially

[forest arrow]

Lando is a monster tho

[shadow wind]

This is singles screens but it still lives

[forest arrow]

Sheer force life orb is nothing to scoff at.

[bold geode]

And last I checked cuz math is pretty hard
5-6 is not 1

[solid frigate]

And it was not AV I still a specs Believer

[dense latch]

how is "not doing enough damage" an invalid reason to consider one of your main attacking options bad

[shadow wind]

What does AV have to do with this?

I was just saying you put the calc in wrong

[solid frigate]

Hold up

[tawdry urchin]

"light screen" ok now you're just taking the piss 🫩

[dense latch]

i really don't think there's any point in feeding this argument more

[shadow wind]

It gets hurricane 🔥

[bold geode]

Give Tornadus Aeroblast

[shadow wind]

I'd rather die

[dense latch]

use lugia if you think it's good

[shadow wind]

Wait give Lando Aeroblast

[forest arrow]

No

[dense latch]

just don't expect good results for an extended period of time

[bold geode]

Common defensive move in that format btw

[bold geode]

As in any period

[molten oasis]

Huh?

[tawdry urchin]

2 turns* you're treating lugia like fraudgigas without gas 🥀

[shadow wind]

Leave my goat out of this

[solid frigate]

36+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lugia: 108-128 (50.7 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Honestly without that big of a attack invest bro still does more than it needs lmfao

[bold geode]

Is reading hard for you

[shadow wind]

Regifather slander won't be tolerated

[solid frigate]

thats without multiscale

[bold geode]

I've literally watched you fail reading comprehension multiple times in this conversation

[shadow wind]

Without multiscale I'm pretty impressed

[bold geode]

I mean VGC players notoriously can't read so I can't blame anyone but

[solid frigate]

That’s more than enough to cripple Lugia tbh

Recover can’t heal enough from it

[shadow wind]

Me when my kingambit has iron defense instead of iron head

True

[tawdry urchin]

Again... Lugia only needs 2 turns to set up, it doesn't need 3 earth powers after that to KO miraidon 🥀

[solid frigate]

Say the Line

[shadow wind]

To set up to do what though

[bold geode]

You make that joke
Deadass I'm pretty sure Pain Split Flutter Mane was a thing this Reg cuz of a mistake like that

[bold geode]

Alright imma say it real slow for you

I asked

If your Lugia

After 5 turns

Can KO Miraidon

And you responded with

[solid frigate]

@shadow wind it would be funny if Groudon could just OHKO Lugia with one Stone Edge

[shadow wind]

I just know I've does "iro" into tab to save approximately a second and then didn't notice and the first game with the team gets sold

[bold geode]

"Oh it can't KO in one turn so it's bad"

[shadow wind]

My goat would miss even if it did ohko

[tawdry urchin]

I can't tell if you're just stupid or rage baiting... Ofc it can...

[shadow wind]

😭

[bold geode]

Ok so you can comprehend a question

[solid frigate]

Novice VGC players trying not to be a circus show

[tawdry urchin]

"after 5 turns" tf you think Lugia is doing 😭

[solid frigate]

Literally nothing but getting carried

[shadow wind]

Novice VGC players trying not to be a circus show

[bold geode]

Point is
Especially in a restricted format that honestly can get VERY fast paced VERY QUICKLY AND EASILY

Why would I want a Pokemon that needs 2-3 turns AT LEAST to get going

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/fentcord-true-coyote-gif-2599436844608872721

[bold geode]

When I can have one that sprints at the starting line

Not to mention you have to stack your team heavily to survive the onslaught while you set up
Which makes you lack more solid picks as a whole and loses you a lot of endgames cuz you won't have enough to make it thru

[tawdry urchin]

I mean... Lugia is bulky as hell, you have things like shadow rider, miraidon and kyogre which Lugia walls

And after that it can just roost

[forest arrow]

Top cut at Sydney starts in 10 minutes I believe

[solid frigate]

LUGIA WALLS MIRAIDON LMAO

THATS THE WORST THING I EVER HEARD

[bold geode]

You may think that we're ONLY saying "oh hey Pokemon don't explode shit, it bad" but what we're also saying is everyone else uses those mons that explode shit and you're gonna consistently have to take those attacks and still have more in the tank to make it thru to win, which won't work consistently

[bold geode]

Are you saying it walls Kyogre? It runs Ice Beam and Thunder as options all the time

You better not tell me Miraidon

[solid frigate]

164+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Multiscale Lugia in Electric Terrain: 183-216 (85.9 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

if Miraidon can break Pagos's Tera Shell then Lugia fucking died

[tawdry urchin]

Tera steel 🤦 I've said this at least twice now

[bold geode]

Steel doesn't resist Electric or Water

If you Tera Steel for the coverage, you get fucked by the moves Kyogre WANTS to click

[tawdry urchin]

Still better than being a weakness? Don't forget it's setting up a calm mind while taking 1/4 of the damage

[bold geode]

You're giving counterarguments that literally make shit worse

[solid frigate]

164+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 172 HP / 12 SpD Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Electric Terrain: 107-126 (55.7 - 65.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Pagos already tanks it stupidly well compare to Lugia and thats factoring that its less bulkier

[bold geode]

Yeah ok MAYBE that works for Kyogre
Miraidon? That thing gonna hit your ass before you set up one

[tawdry urchin]

No way there's more restricted Pokémon than lugia that have bulk!?!? 😱🤯

[bold geode]

And let's say you have Landorus
You still have to protect Landorus from a fucking Draco Meteor

[solid frigate]

Hell even with you Tera into Tera Ground

Humble Draco Meteor literally deletes Lugia’s Healthbar

[tawdry urchin]

And who is running both miraidon and kyogre at once?

[bold geode]

It is not common but it is a niche pairing
And that also doesn't just pertain to Miraidon Kyogre specifically

[solid frigate]

Miraidon Kyogre referenced

(Then again I already abandoned the duo lol)

[craggy dagger]

[craggy dagger]

as someone who’s tested lugia extraneously

one calm mind doesn’t help

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

:D

[craggy dagger]

OW

[solid frigate]

Hoi Nova

[bold geode]

[tawdry urchin]

Ok? It's still taking hits from sp attackers easily

[craggy dagger]

it’s not :D

[tawdry urchin]

How?

[craggy dagger]

i’ve tested lugia an unhealthy amount

[tawdry urchin]

And what tera did you use?

[craggy dagger]

fairy, ground, steel, fire, grass, water 😭

literally nothing works

[solid frigate]

Honestly given Nova already tested Lugia more than you and regretted it you could stop defending Lugia

[craggy dagger]

don’t get me wrong
it’s bulky but it’s not enough to take certain attacks against other restricted pokemon

[tawdry urchin]

Steel hello??? All its weaknesses either become neutral and resistant

[craggy dagger]

it doesn’t :D

[bold geode]

Low-key guys I think it's better to just
Let them be deluded

[craggy dagger]

you’re better off fairy

[tawdry urchin]

Remind me what lugia is weak to

[craggy dagger]

remind me how much damage a neutral miraidon’s attack does?

[tawdry urchin]

You're forgetting multi

[bold geode]

Its ok king
Lugia is the best Pokemon there is
You do you boo

[forest arrow]

Good luck on ladder

[craggy dagger]

you’re forgetting fake out!
and other chip priority moves :D

a tiny 1% fake out is enough to get rid of multi scale

now if it was something like necrozma’s prism armor that’d be a different story

anyways as a fellow lugia enthusiast, my advices is to not use it

[tawdry urchin]

Who is running miraidon with a fake out user? Retreating into landious is a thing btw

[bold geode]

No Nova it's ok
They can clearly do stuff after 2 Calm Minds, they're right
Lugia is better

[craggy dagger]

but you do you i guess
don’t come crying and coping about how lugia could have done better

[craggy dagger]

um

guys how do we tell them…

[bold geode]

Yeah you're right no one is doing that
How do you have such a perfect read wow you're smart

You know the whole meta better than I do that's wild

[craggy dagger]

i’m gonna go play some lunala shadow rider and get deleted by galarian moltres fiery wrath :D

[tawdry urchin]

What incin? What fake out user pares well with miraidon

[craggy dagger]

also last i checked

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Multiscale Lugia in Electric Terrain: 160-190 (75.1 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

lugia is dying to any follow up damage

[bold geode]

None of them really
You've never seen them
They don't exist, they're not real

Why are we doubting someone who's clearly a fuckin genius

[craggy dagger]

now tell me
are you running max hp and max spdef?

cuz if so then um
it might be a litttleeeee
stupid

[bold geode]

Hold on Nova, let my glorious king speak

[foggy lodge]

@shadow wind what are you running in reg F

[craggy dagger]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 196 HP / 36 SpD Multiscale Lugia in Electric Terrain: 204-241 (99 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

:D

you can’t run bulky without becoming a tickle monster

[solid frigate]

Like the Genius Physicist of Touto Kiryu Sento(Kamen Rider Build) Said

“They are just a Muscle Brained Baka”

[tawdry urchin]

No? Max Spdef and so attack

[bold geode]

Oh thank God Lugia Hunter is here, I NEED YOUR SERVICES

[tawdry urchin]

Notice how you forgot tera steel

[dense latch]

why is tera an argument for lugia and not for miraidon when you talk about how landorus can just one shot it

[forest arrow]

That’s what I’m saying

And we’re acting like Lando is a weak mon

Like??

[bold geode]

HOW DARE YOU GUYS DOUBT THE GENIUS

LeBron could never reach the heights this guy can

[tawdry urchin]

Because they keep yapping about oh miraidon Kos lugia through multi when I've said multiple times I run Lugia with tera steel and that makes electro drift neutral

[bold geode]

LeBron wishes he could be this guy

[forest arrow]

Like fr even thundy is seeing play rn

[bold geode]

Steel doesn't resist Electric btw

It's the other way around

Actually fuck THE MAN SAID IT WHY AM I DOUBTING

[tawdry urchin]

Miss type mb

[foggy lodge]

erik

[craggy dagger]

throwback to this calc

[foggy lodge]

Are you still playing reg F

[solemn flicker]

As a BIG Lugia fan and with my honest opinion, Lugia isn’t good in this gen to compete vs meta stuff. Its typing has trouble vs the likes of Miraidon, Both Calyrexes, Lunala and even Incin with Knock Off gives it trouble. Like sure you can find a solid niche strat kinda like a vid that Cloverbells dropped but it doesn’t help in the current meta. Now if it had like a better Sp.Atk stat where it doesn’t really change its Defenses then maybe it would be better because Calm Mind wouldnt be an option.
It’s current Atk and Sp.Atk stat are at 90 base. I would love it to be a SpAtkr so that way it can compete better. Or maybe have higher speed.

[craggy dagger]

+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Helping Hand with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts Blast Burn vs. -6 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0- SpD Dry Skin Magikarp: 46708-51096 (424618.1 - 464509%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[dense latch]

barely
im trying markus hamann's team rn

[solid frigate]

Actually?

I honestly have a new respect on Thundy players despite being annoying

[solemn flicker]

Tera does help it a bit but you waste more time setting up.

[craggy dagger]

amen

[foggy lodge]

Lorb Bolt?

[fierce holly]

lugia is dogwater

[dense latch]

yea

[bold geode]

How have we attracted people LNFAO

[solemn flicker]

Competitively yea, design wise nah

[foggy lodge]

Its a cool team i was running the toronto team but I feel like the MUs are rough

[solid frigate]

THANK YOU

SOMEONE FINALLY HAS COMMON SENSE THAT IS ALSO A LUGIA FAN

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to lugiahunter7

[tawdry urchin]

Remind me what gen 9s gimmick is again?

[foggy lodge]

Mainly balance with the Pao variant

[craggy dagger]

@bold geode
me when i punch you

+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Helping Hand with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts Blast Burn vs. -6 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0- SpD Dry Skin Magikarp: 40-64824 (363.6 - 589309%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

So i switched to balance again LMAO

[solemn flicker]

Calm Mind set up and sweep

[tawdry urchin]

"gimmick"

[forest arrow]

Erik can I interest you in bear?

[dense latch]

it feels like it has a pretty high skill ceiling
i'm really just waiting for champions, i've started to do other stuff to pass the time lmao

[craggy dagger]

tera doesn’t do much for lugia imo

[solemn flicker]

https://youtu.be/3G4RGo6tt30?si=N8avcfChgD21kq7T

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-kamen-rider-decade-kamen-rider-decade-complete-kamen-rider-ohma-zio-kamen-rider-ohma-zi-o-gif-3201985403628190944

[craggy dagger]

tera steel and now you’re weak to ground
tera anything else and you explode to anything else

[solemn flicker]

Idk about broken in this vid lol

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[tawdry urchin]

Someone do me a solid and do the ko % thing with miraidon against tera steel muli lugia PLEASE

[craggy dagger]

keep in mind it’s prankster :D

[foggy lodge]

I need champions

[dense latch]

maxi are you still using the cary team

[forest arrow]

Max you’re pfp kills me lmaoooo

no he’s on balance again lol

[solid frigate]

Polistare lol

[craggy dagger]

burn tera early and um
it’s gonna be detrimental

[bold geode]

Counterargument: I've set up 2 Calm Minds

[tawdry urchin]

Tera dragon and hyper voice over earth power!?!?

[craggy dagger]

ok

+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Helping Hand with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts Blast Burn vs. -4 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0- SpD Dry Skin Magikarp: 40-64824 (363.6 - 589309%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solemn flicker]

Yea man. Idk ppl using this thing any way possible to make it viable but it keeps getting worst 😂

[foggy lodge]

50/50

[solemn flicker]

Main series game run through and in Pogo it is better though

[bold geode]

Counterargument: you're a stimky VGC player that wants things to do 1,000,000 in one turn

[craggy dagger]

i’ve used mewtwo before :D
by ur logic
mewtwo should also be good cuz it’s really fast and hits hard

[foggy lodge]

I like it cuz its also a comfort pick but i feel like the balance MU is rough and i hate losing to balance

Cuz this team is super good into any balance variant that isn't the Pao icy wind one

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[tawdry urchin]

Why? I tank hits from miraidon, kyogre and shadow rider while setting up to sweep. I'd rather that than switch or instantly get ko'ed

[foggy lodge]

My child

[bold geode]

My child is now Incineroar

[solid frigate]

Translation:what am I even doing

[foggy lodge]

My childs are Incineroar Rillaboom Urshifu Raging Bolt Landorus Chien-Pao too

[forest arrow]

My child is perfect

[craggy dagger]

guys guys
he hasn’t heard about coverage moves

[foggy lodge]

I have a lot of childs

[dense latch]

i love fake out calm mind dont ask if i win or not

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon Koraidon Terapagos Calyrex Shadow Calyrex Ice Zamazenta Kyogre Groudon

[forest arrow]

My child’s are Ursh, Torn, Incin, Amoongus, P2, Ursa

[craggy dagger]

imagine tera steeling in front of an ice rider thinking you’ll be fine only to be hit by a high horsepower lol

[solid frigate]

Terapagos thinks he’s part of the group

[bold geode]

But it's ok
I set up 2 Calm Minds

[foggy lodge]

Terapagos IS part of the group always

[forest arrow]

Koraidon laughs in CC

[solemn flicker]

Imagine this if it had access: Body Press Lugia and a Coaching partner or something that bolsters its Defense more? But nah it would be a one trick pony.

[foggy lodge]

Shut up

[forest arrow]

[bold geode]

Terapagos scares the hoes away

[foggy lodge]

That's why Heatran Scream Tail existed

[tawdry urchin]

"Yes miraidon is dominating and yes I want my none restricted legendary that's weak to it to have no super effective move" 😭

[foggy lodge]

!!!

[forest arrow]

Was a good comp

[solid frigate]

Oh you mean reg G

Then that’s fine

[foggy lodge]

I loved that team so much

[craggy dagger]

+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Helping Hand with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts Blast Burn vs. -2 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0- SpD Dry Skin Magikarp: 40-64824 (363.6 - 589309%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon was so fucking free with that team

[craggy dagger]

ok

[forest arrow]

If I could go back I’d play some more CIR birb

[solemn flicker]

Lmao yea I LOVE LUGIA but it is not it’s time right now lol

[tawdry urchin]

Lugia is sp bulker... That wouldn't work

[dense latch]

im glad i never have to play that again ngl

[bold geode]

NO I TAKE THE ATTACKS BETTER, YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID

[foggy lodge]

Lowkey the only Pagos comp that's real in reg I is Miraidon Pagos

Pagos CSR was a bait

[craggy dagger]

i think it’s hopeless…
we’re both lugia fans and the third isn’t listening…

[tawdry urchin]

Gen 9 is the only game where it's usable bruh 😭 it has a shit typing and tera solves that

[dense latch]

tera doesnt solve its other 15 issues

[foggy lodge]

Nooo

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah that exists

Didn’t one of you guys tell me to play that comp lmfao

[tawdry urchin]

Being?

[foggy lodge]

It was cool

[bold geode]

What other 15 issues? It set up 2 Calm Minds

[craggy dagger]

dude i’ve made you quad resist

+6 252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Tera Fire Chi-Yu Helping Hand with 3 Battery boosts with 3 Power Spot boosts Blast Burn vs. +6 Lvl 1 0 HP / 0- SpD Dry Skin Magikarp: 32637-49962 (296700 - 454200%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solid frigate]

I think it’s at least interesting to utilise Electric Seed to avoid most of the physical calcs

Cuz Pagos is a paper in Physical Side (then again it can be prevented)

[solemn flicker]

Yea its playable but not viable. But it could get better in the future depending on new gaming mechanics or if it gets attention by the creators to make it better. I speculate but dont have high hopes for it.

[forest arrow]

One crit and it’s over

[dense latch]

bad stat spread
underwhleming stab coverage
tera hog
does no damage unless you set up, by then you're already on the backfoot if your opponent knows how to play the game
ability gets nulified by fake out or any chip damage
loses to ice rider
loses to shadow rider
loses to miraidon
loses to koraidon
gets hit super effectively by half of the field and will just get pinned if you do tera
lunala exists (THIS IS A BIG ONE) better multiscale better movepool better stats better synergy with strong restricteds
no synergy with other restricteds
relies on the team revolving entirely around it which just isn't great in a fast paced format
crits will happen
NO GOOD SPREAD MOVES this is a big one too when it doesnt do anything else

[solid frigate]

Add can’t get you a girlfriend or a job lmfao

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon also didn't give me a job

[dense latch]

im not done i accidentally clicked send

[forest arrow]

Can you not just blitz it with Koraidon too lol

[foggy lodge]

I'm gonna pull up to my son's dad career day and go with a Terapagos Rillaboom Rockpon Incineroar showdown replay

[bold geode]

I've been so distracted by this bullshit that I've ignored Sydney

[solid frigate]

Sadly

It would be a good job description but whatever

[tawdry urchin]

Literally there are no other good gimmicks to add they have done everything. It's either gen 9 or never

[forest arrow]

Kingambit is winning

[foggy lodge]

There's a Horoark on stream

[bold geode]

"Wow your dad's unemployed, wallahi"

[solemn flicker]

You never know 🤷🏽‍♂️

[foggy lodge]

No no one is winning because Horoark is winning

[forest arrow]

Lmao

[dense latch]

someone i usually talk to on discord was a win away from cutting sydney

[foggy lodge]

The villain has to lose

[solid frigate]

Horoark exist

Worst day for Max

[forest arrow]

I’d rather see Corviknight win at this point

[bold geode]

If Horoark wins I'm shitting on @foggy lodge 's porch

[foggy lodge]

Most annoying mon ever created

So glad I don't have to deal with it anymore

[tawdry urchin]

Just psychic terrein for fake out ? Areoblast and earth power is all the coverage it needs

[foggy lodge]

Istg if Horoark comes back for champions

[solid frigate]

Did this guy forgot Flying Types still can be fake out unless Tera lol

[dense latch]

there's the 15

[tawdry urchin]

What are you on about?

[dense latch]

btw lugia doesnt get protected by psychic terrain bc it's a flying type

[solid frigate]

Unless you Tera that thing which we already discussed

[tawdry urchin]

Ok I'll tera?

[forest arrow]

Tera psychic Lugia

Oh I’m stupid ignore me

[dense latch]

you underestimate how good tera is and how bad it is to waste it on trivialities

[tawdry urchin]

? I'm using it to get rid off weaknesses what's the issue in that?

[bold geode]

Man why do the Dallas Mavs have to fucking suck

[solid frigate]

I actually still don’t know what I make Ho-Oh Tera water one time but eh I want to make Kyogre Suffer lol

[dense latch]

lunala is almost objectively a direct upgrade to lugia

[dense latch]

you guys have flagg you're fine

[forest arrow]

My beloved

[dense latch]

he's averaging 40 in his last 4 or something

[solid frigate]

Even Pagos is a direct upgrade cuz their play style is THE SAME

[dense latch]

the heat are stuck in nba limbo forever

[bold geode]

Yeah and what else rn

[forest arrow]

Even then you still want to run the Meteor beam set, the Cm set is easy to play around

[bold geode]

Bro we have like one point guard rn LMFAO

[foggy lodge]

Lunala Incin Rilla Rockpon Scream Tail

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-tail-gif-13310002052853447462

[solid frigate]

Max’s CV be like

[dense latch]

ik it's been a year but im sorry you had to go through the luka trade

[forest arrow]

Scream tail is so cute

Goated mon

[dense latch]

it's probably gonna be a few years before they're contending again

[solid frigate]

B A L L

[bold geode]

Bro it's okay, I'm still traumatized by it

[forest arrow]

I actually want one

[tawdry urchin]

What does lunala even do? Is dusk wings not better?

[foggy lodge]

Scream Tail Incin Rilla connoisseur

[bold geode]

Erik we literally traded up for the 2018 draft
We traded Luka for Bagley essentially

[solid frigate]

I kinda want another Pokémon plush but my brain want me to buy Toku toys instead of plushies and fumos

Yes I’m almost 20 and I still play Toys

[bold geode]

Bagley was #2 in the draft literally a pick before Luka

[dense latch]

not in the context of what we're discussing
using tera so your pokemon can take advantage of psychic terrain when you could just skip the process and use lunala who's naturally immune to fake out is a triviality

getting rid of your weaknesses is not but it's not an advantage that only lugia has

[solemn flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-lugia-water-gif-2164530770047048368

[solid frigate]

I still love Ho-Oh Sorry

[tawdry urchin]

Lunala and Luiga and nothing alike what? 😭

[foggy lodge]

Remember that Lugia had a child on the anime and they just dropped that lore and didn't develop any of it

[dense latch]

consistent stab with moongeist
trick room setup
meteor beam to ramp up way faster
wide guard support

[bold geode]

You do realize Shadow Shield is glorified Multiscale right

[solemn flicker]

Imagine my brother that loves Ho-Oh and myself with Lugia how many times we got into arguments cuz of this haha respect tho! Ho-Oh is nice too!

[dense latch]

both psychic type restricteds with a multiscale variant that have access to calm mind and a 100 bp signature stab move

[foggy lodge]

Moldbreaker can't ignore shadow shield fun fact

But it can ignore multiscale

[bold geode]

Thought it could?

[foggy lodge]

For some reason it can't

It does that with multiscale

[dense latch]

it's what makes shadow shield different from multiscale

[solid frigate]

I made this last year on my blog about Miraidon Ho-Oh before

This was in Ho-oh section

[dense latch]

it cant be ignored

[bold geode]

I mean even if it did, idt neutral Ivy was ohkoing Lunala anyways

[foggy lodge]

Idk if there's any different wording on shadow shield that makes that distinction

But it does that

[tawdry urchin]

Lunala watch out there's a sucker punch behind you and trick room is dead, after you solos

[solemn flicker]

Oh yea I seen your info. Good read and fun build!

[bold geode]

Speaking of interactions, you remember the bullshit Snow Cloak Minds Eye interaction

[foggy lodge]

What which one

[bold geode]

The fact that Blursa could miss attacks into Articuno

[foggy lodge]

oh it doesn't ignore the snow cloak evasion boost lmfao

I knew about that cuz I saw a tweet from a guy that missed their win and in to missing a blood moon into a sand veil chomp LMAO

[bold geode]

Yeah cuz technically Snow Cloak isn't a straight evasion boost, it messes with the accuracy of the moves themselves

[foggy lodge]

It must suck to lose that way dude

[dense latch]

im hoping flagg does develop into an mvp caliber player so dallas fans arent just miserable forever

[tawdry urchin]

Don't see moonguist beam having a high crit

[foggy lodge]

Sand veil and snow cloak should get banned I hate those abilities so much

[bold geode]

Bro I've lost so many games cuz I've went for Fake Out into Articuno just for that shit to miss

[foggy lodge]

Me

[solid frigate]

Tru

[foggy lodge]

Competitive Pokémon once they ban snow cloak sand veil and OHKO moves

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge the Horoark won, expect to smell burning shit at your front door tonight

[solid frigate]

Honestly I’m down banning OHKO moves

I don’t want games lose to these bull crap

[foggy lodge]

Fuck you

[dense latch]

there's a team of three regis in top cut of sydney

it eliminated my friend :(

[bold geode]

I will not do that to the old man from Rush Hour

[dense latch]

ice steel drago

[foggy lodge]

Wait three regis????

LMFAO

Registeel I see the vision

But I can't with Regice

[dense latch]

funny

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/regice-regirock-registeel-running-run-gif-16398635

[bold geode]

Big fan of what now?

[solid frigate]

Lmfao

[shadow wind]

Nothing currently

Still figuring it out

[foggy lodge]

Damn

How open are you to using balanceslop

[forest arrow]

There was a team that had Regiice and Registeel

[shadow wind]

But I have about 13 missed calls from Kommo

[shadow wind]

I'd rather end it all

[foggy lodge]

But its goodslop

[bold geode]

Wait
Horoark is in top 8
That's wild

[forest arrow]

https://x.com/agatiga/status/2020275145764393201?s=46&t=gEcvvuDLBwqjwOC0yfoRYg

Gabriel Agati (@AgatiGa)

NZ metagame is something else

X · Feb 7, 2026, 11:15 PM

[foggy lodge]

Hell nah turn off the stream asap

[foggy lodge]

Bro has a pokeball

[shadow wind]

I refuse to come back and immediately join the hivemind

[dense latch]

it was glimm btw

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-he-made-a-statement-so-ass-the-dog-left-this-planet-gif-268224778921118459

[bold geode]

For each win going forward that Horoark gets is another bag of shit on @foggy lodge 's porch

[forest arrow]

Glimm?

[dense latch]

he always uses glimm when he can

[forest arrow]

Must has been a Wolfe team adaptation

[foggy lodge]

Did they get hackchecked lmfao

[foggy lodge]

Dammit

[solid frigate]

Regirock,Eleki and Gigas are at home watching this lmfao

[foggy lodge]

What do you think of Roaring Moon

[dense latch]

stream just messed up he brought glimm to game 1

[foggy lodge]

Its the other goodslop

[forest arrow]

Is it Darkshifu?

[dense latch]

yea

[forest arrow]

Yeah Wolfe is running Lando T on a similar team to that

or was

[shadow wind]

Roaring moon is really cool

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but Lando T is lowkey a fraud

[dense latch]

o yea that's another error

he told me that's lando therian

[forest arrow]

Was it Lando T?

Lmaooo it’s wolfes team

[solid frigate]

Lando T is just

Why lmfao

[solid frigate]

Orlando one?

[foggy lodge]

No cuz Wolfey's team was waterpon

[solid frigate]

Which one

[dense latch]

the one from the invitational

[solid frigate]

Oh

[dense latch]

but it's a bit different i think

it's just basic HO gamble team

[foggy lodge]

This is like the usual HO team

[forest arrow]

Oh true

[bold geode]

Bro why is anyone using the invitational team
He literally ate shit with it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it just slapped Lando T over

[solid frigate]

I saw you type bs lmfao

Fair enough

[foggy lodge]

Innovations are being made in real time

[dense latch]

i felt bad i didnt feel like hating

[foggy lodge]

LMFAO

[solid frigate]

[foggy lodge]

Its Flutter Chi-Yu is correct to hate

[forest arrow]

Lmao

[dense latch]

i throw bs around to the point where it just dilutes to "stuff"

[solid frigate]

Honestly gambling is bs so it’s fair lol

[dense latch]

yea that was what i was trying to say

[foggy lodge]

Like if you hate Incineroar Rillaboom, Flutter Chi-Yu, Chien-Pao Dragonite, Ursaluna Porygon2, Urshifu Tornadus, Amoonguss Incineroar, Dondozo Tatsugiri

[bold geode]

Nah don't be afraid to hate
Max is the biggest hater, you just gotta match him

YAY THE BOUNCE GAME IS UP

[dense latch]

like subscribe '

[forest arrow]

[foggy lodge]

Just hit all the buttons below the video

[forest arrow]

Sorry can’t hate on the ultimate support MOMS

[solid frigate]

[foggy lodge]

MOMS?

i love this pfp so much dude

[solid frigate]

Nah revert it back it’s more funny

[dense latch]

i just want reg f to go

[foggy lodge]

I saw a Kingdra Politoed animation on instagram and I became a Politoed fan

[dense latch]

i was told it was fun :(

[solid frigate]

Politoed Questioning Throw be like

[shadow wind]

The F stands for Fun !

[forest arrow]

Lmao it’s staring in my soul

[solid frigate]

It was

[foggy lodge]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDsEYBsqGeH/?igsh=MW1hNW1rMW9samoyZg==

matchawoozi

wolfey con perish…
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#pokemon #politoed #kingra #pokemonvgc #art #animation #meme #fyp #artmeme #animationmeme
#artistsoninstagram #digitalart

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[solid frigate]

@forest arrow you ain’t beating the support mom allegations even if it’s reverted

The fact that the Pfp works so well with it

[bold geode]

Real talk why are the Sydney breaks so fucking long

[forest arrow]

lol

[dense latch]

it's ok we get more bounce game

did anyone see gulpin win three times in a row

[forest arrow]

It’s annoyingly long

[solid frigate]

Extend the time?

[bold geode]

Real, idk why I'm complaining

[solid frigate]

GULPIN?

WHAT

[forest arrow]

The bounce game on stream lol

[bold geode]

Little side game on stream rn

[solid frigate]

Ah

[foggy lodge]

The F stands for
Fake
Fraudulent
Faulty
Feeble
Frustrating
Finicky

[dense latch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/true-beedrill

[foggy lodge]

ChatGPT give me negative adjectives that start with F

[shadow wind]

Feebas 😔

[dense latch]

flawed

[foggy lodge]

The F also stands for fucking miserable

[shadow wind]

Word

[dense latch]

fracaso

[foggy lodge]

But we have EUIC in a week to see

[solid frigate]

I think I’m the only one here likes Reg F

[foggy lodge]

The most boring teams in top 32

[solid frigate]

Like wholeheartedly

[dense latch]

i think i lowkey hate vgc

[foggy lodge]

word

[dense latch]

i always ended up hating the format at one point

[solid frigate]

Then why are you playing it /j

[shadow wind]

Might be the realest thing this chat has ever seen

[foggy lodge]

Tbh I think everyone has their crash out at every format at a point but we bounce back

[dense latch]

something something stockholm syndrome

[solid frigate]

The chat United on one ideal finally

[foggy lodge]

The addiction is too real

[shadow wind]

I was free

Still am actually

[dense latch]

i've been on my longest hiatus since i came back in mid 2024

[shadow wind]

I don't have faith in an idea currently

[foggy lodge]

Regulation stands for FreeOfFun

[dense latch]

i played like 5 games last month

[shadow wind]

I don't know if I even booted up showdown in January

Oh wait that's a lie

[foggy lodge]

I didn't play for like 3 weeks and then came back

[shadow wind]

1v1 Factory was straight fire

[foggy lodge]

Atp is a whatever tbh i think i don't hate this format but still being in SV sucks

I also want champions just to actually build interesting stuff

I feel like every time I want to build something I can't even come up with interesting sets for mons cuz everything has been made already

[shadow wind]

Literally

[foggy lodge]

The degeneracy for champions came to the point AV tera poison Pao hitted the builder

[shadow wind]

Haze on dnite set, water found in pond

[foggy lodge]

But yeah the lesson is

Never let the community choose the format ever again

[shadow wind]

Real

[foggy lodge]

Democracy sucks

[dense latch]

i wish it was reg c

i really really really wanted to use pult pao

if they kept home and dlc mons off the format then no ursh no bolt no incin

[shadow wind]

I want to play anything that is either Groudon or before Urshifu

[dense latch]

i can live with flutter dominating it’s not like reg f flutter is any weaker

[foggy lodge]

I think if we don't change to champs after this format atleast make it reg A

[shadow wind]

Hol up, Reg I exists right now

[foggy lodge]

The DLC TMs moves can change a lot the reg A meta

And it also was a format that we only had for 2 majors and people were still messing around with the mechanics

So I think there's room for optimization there

[shadow wind]

It's like seeing an old friend again 🥹

[foggy lodge]

Its like seeing an ex

[shadow wind]

Like seeing a best friend

[foggy lodge]

Groudon is a real friend

Miraidon is the ex

[shadow wind]

🥹

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

[shadow wind]

This is real living

It was -1 by the way

[foggy lodge]

-1 Miraidon??

[shadow wind]

My Miraidon is scarf

[foggy lodge]

Damn wtf

[shadow wind]

Groudon living specs draco

[dense latch]

i played reg i ladder for a bit before i choked 80% gxe again

and i remembered how miserable playing vs csr zama was

[shadow wind]

I would play Reg F if this is how it looked

[foggy lodge]

Remember that scarf Mirai wasn't anywhere before Dillon got 2nd at Milwaukee

@next stump ur the real meta innovator

[dense latch]

that was a fun team

[shadow wind]

Especially bo1

[foggy lodge]

Does your Miraidon outspeed tailwind regidrago

MU check rq

[shadow wind]

But I'd rather play Bo1 Reg I than Bo3 Reg F

[dense latch]

i get it’s supposed to replicate in game ladder but no ots sucks

[shadow wind]

It does not

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

This was the usual CSR Zama you would see

CSR Zama so miserable to play against lol

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/100-yard-stare-1000-yard-stare-stare-staring-staring-meme-gif-18404030142962634873

[foggy lodge]

Incin Rilla Clef CSR is based

[shadow wind]

Speak of the devil

[dense latch]

reg i was fun

[foggy lodge]

But make me battle two restricteds behind screens follow me friend guard and intimidate/terrain heal and I want to destroy the switch

[dense latch]

until a certain point

[foggy lodge]

Two bulky restricteds btw

[dense latch]

i had a close mirror match set vs mdb in that one smogon tour

[foggy lodge]

Damn

The smogon tour was so cool

[dense latch]

i might’ve peaked there i fear

[foggy lodge]

I wish they did more of them

[foggy lodge]

Nah you peak when you play good

[dense latch]

i hated how it was managed though

took an hour per round

[foggy lodge]

Like the balan one

2 hours waiting for round 3 after I lost round 2

I hated that so much lmao

Also

With champions and hopefully tera out for some time

[shadow wind]

No clue why they forfeit

[foggy lodge]

Bo1 can revive cuz

[shadow wind]

My aura

[foggy lodge]

You no longer play the tera gamble

[shadow wind]

I hate tera

"But Groudon benefits from tera" Not when every restricted just becomes a potted plant in the rain 😭

[foggy lodge]

I like tera but it killed bo1 ladder

I can't wait for champions ladder to be playable

[shadow wind]

Real

[foggy lodge]

An in game ladder that actually matches the current tournament format😃

And that is playable without having to cover for 19 different tera options😍

We don't even get the bare minimum anymore dude

We can't even play the current VGC format since half a year ago

[shadow wind]

Hmm

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

How do they KO Incin

[shadow wind]

Zama

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense I hate Zama CSR

[forest arrow]

Korai CSR goated

Is the urshifu scared

Oh it’s gone nvm

[foggy lodge]

I think it is

Well gg

[forest arrow]

Yeah gg

[foggy lodge]

Wait

[shadow wind]

I LOVE YOU GROUDON

[foggy lodge]

Its protect lefties terrain recover now

[shadow wind]

Ok just went 5-0, no more Reg I for now

[foggy lodge]

I don't think they can win

Oh no dude its a tclap 50/50 now

[shadow wind]

Tclap sucks

I hate 50/50s

[foggy lodge]

No dude this actually worse

They are getting more lefties recovery

[shadow wind]

Oh nah

[next stump]

yooo thank you 😄

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[foggy lodge]

If they calm mind on a tect its over

[bold geode]

I think they're cooked
They got +2 Pulse anyways

Even if they lost all their Claps they just Pulse away

[foggy lodge]

Yeah they get enough lefties recovery so

Dpulse is a 2HKO at some point

[bold geode]

They needed to Sandsear when they Earth Powered in the endgame

[foggy lodge]

I think Yuxiang can win this regional

Legendary balance player

They have top 8 at worlds with Incin Rilla Pagos on their curriculum

[bold geode]

He was one of the two?

[foggy lodge]

Which two

[bold geode]

Him and Huang He

[foggy lodge]

Huang He?

[bold geode]

The guy that won Japan Nats with M Beam Pagos

[foggy lodge]

That's Hyuma Hara LMAO

[bold geode]

Omg I'm so cooked

[foggy lodge]

Bro just dropped random words that sounded japanese

[bold geode]

Cancel Monke 2026

[foggy lodge]

But tbh most people know them by their tags

Hyuma Hara is Anya

And Yuxiang Wang is Kyogre_SG

[forest arrow]

Zoroark in top 4 what is life

[bold geode]

WHAT

That's another bag of shit on Max's porch

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/SwampVGC/status/2020277856560116184?s=20

Swamp (@SwampVGC)

they've solved the format in australia

X · Feb 7, 2026, 11:25 PM

[shadow wind]

Regi team !!

[foggy lodge]

That's the real reg I team

[foggy lodge]

Btw Conner what is your pfp from

Is it from paper mario

[shadow wind]

Super paper mario ending yeah

[foggy lodge]

Elite ball knowledge

[shadow wind]

Or credits scene I guess

[dense latch]

it’s a great pfp

[dense latch]

i never would’ve guessed super paper mario tho

[foggy lodge]

If Horoark wins a regional istg

[shadow wind]

Super paper mario is like top 5 game for me

Honestly my top 5 list is so interchangeable

[foggy lodge]

What is it

[bold geode]

Your front porch is gonna look like a dinosaur's toilet when I'm done with it

[foggy lodge]

I'm going to get a Horoark plush to burn it

Top 1 most annoying mon ever created

[bold geode]

Real
Burn it with my shit bags

[foggy lodge]

Playing fucking flip coins since turn 1

[bold geode]

Which sucks cuz it's so pretty

[dense latch]

did i miss a bet or something

[shadow wind]

Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Super Paper Mario
Mario and Luigi: Bowsers Inside Story
Hollow Knight
Breath of the Wild

[bold geode]

Horoark is doing good so I'm putting shit on Max's porch, wanna join

[foggy lodge]

I love you Wolfey but using Horoark is on my blacklist

[dense latch]

idk im kinda on maxi’s side here

[foggy lodge]

Its a good list

[shadow wind]

Honourable mentions are Risk of Rain 2 and Minecraft cause they're simply so goated but I don't think I could say they're my favourite

[solid frigate]

SPM THE GOAT

[shadow wind]

Actually Minecraft might be higher than I think

[dense latch]

i really need to play bowsers inside story again

[shadow wind]

I play so much Minecraft

[foggy lodge]

XC 2 caught my attention but I saw one scene from that game and I lowkey didn't want to play anymore LOL

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pyra-this-is-fine-tea-gif-26494210

[bold geode]

Suica lost to Horoark
Not my goat

[foggy lodge]

SUICA LOST TO WHAT????

[solid frigate]

Which one.

W h I c h. O n e

[shadow wind]

I did a playthrough with only stache/horn and the challenge medal as soon as you get it, honestly was super hard but really enjoyable

[dense latch]

botw and totk i wish i could play you for the first time again

[foggy lodge]

No dude I think I can't share it here LMAO

[shadow wind]

Unfortunately it might be slightly gooner bait 😔

[solid frigate]

Just send it in dms

[solid frigate]

It’s slight goo we bait but the story is genuinely good

[dense latch]

im so bad at picking favorites

[foggy lodge]

The thing is that I remember what the scene was but not how to search it

[shadow wind]

Story is very very good

[bold geode]

Max the Horoark player beat Suica in top 4

Oh God the Horoark could be Urshifu

[foggy lodge]

I think they were on a sauna or something you can see where it leads lmao

[dense latch]

idk what my favorite game is i love too many

idk what my favorite album is i love too many

[shadow wind]

I can only think of like 3 super sus scenes

[solid frigate]

CHAPTER 4.

[shadow wind]

Mor ardain bath tub

I think

[foggy lodge]

Something like that can be

[solid frigate]

Yeah that one

[shadow wind]

My memory is so awesome

[bold geode]

Big Shadow Ball

[solid frigate]

Chapter 4 is a low point for Xenoblade 2 tbh so it makes sense

[foggy lodge]

I remember cuz a friend played it and they were super excited to show me how good the game was and that scene came in and i was like