competitive_discussion

[stone trellis]

Anything besides CSR and duos that are hyper offensive, really.

Are you going to compete in IRL tournaments?

[timber schooner]

Possiblely

[dense latch]

regulation f (no restricted legendaries, everything else allowed): look up regulation f vgc on youtube, you can probably find tons of teams and starting points there -- munchstats.com is pretty good too

reg i is the one used on the ranked cart ladder, just two restricteds per team, it was the worlds format so have a look at the standings if you want inspiration

that will be used starting in january*

[timber schooner]

Ok

[stone trellis]

The big threats in Reg F are Raging Bolt, Flutter Mane, Incineroar, Rapid Strike Urshifu, Tornadus, Wellspring and Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon and maybe a few others.

[stone trellis]

I just loathe how CSR is the antithesis to my entire playstyle.

[dense latch]

mirai/korai lunala could be nice

they tend to have some good tools against csr

[dense latch]

These five are probably the best of the bunch

Top Cut Explorer: https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2024
LabMaus: https://labmaus.net/home
Munchstats: https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2026regf/1760/Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
Statcrusher: https://statcrusher.com/
Limitless: https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournam...

[stone trellis]

KoraiNala's nice.

But I'm definitely not using Lorb Korai, that shit is HO brimstone.

[dense latch]

if it was csr korai i'd get it but i think korai lunala can really use the improved burst offense, otherwise it's just chi yu

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[dense latch]

but at the end of the day it's up to you

[stone trellis]

I can also use things like Helping Hand to boost my damage output.

Helping Hand Tera Fire Clear Amulet Koraidon's Flare Blitz should be around 15% stronger than Lorb Tera Fire Flare Blitz if both have the same Attack stat.

Closer to 12% if we assume that the Lorb Korai is 196 Adamant and mine is 156 Adamant.

[dense latch]

with lorb you def go 252 jolly

also keep in mind that's half of your turn you'd be sacrificing for a single target move

most of the time it's gonna put you in somewhat vulnerable positions

[stone trellis]

Again, it's just a possibility.

I don't have to do it.

And I was never one to be super concerned about maximising burst damage.

[stone trellis]

So 18%.

[bold geode]

Ew restricted formats

[stone trellis]

Boo-hoo.

[bold geode]

6 7

[stone trellis]

How old are you?

That shit died two months ago, let it go.

[bold geode]

6 7

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[bold geode]

Also 6 7 did not die yet
NOT YET at least

Wait for 2026
As soon as the clock strikes 12 and everyone says happy new year that shit gonna get Thanos snapped

[stone trellis]

Could this be a reference to the fact that 196+ Attack Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat deals 140 hit points of damage to 252 HP / 36 Def Calyrex-Ice, which equates to 67,6% of its health?

(I calced it, that's the fourth lowest roll CC can have)

[bold geode]

I also just don't care about the 6 7 jokes like
Years ago people were laughing at Markiplier saying the letter E
Get a grip, the rot has always been there

[stone trellis]

I love damage calcs.

They're so assuring.

Until that Rillaboom crits my +3 Defense Tera Water Ice Rider and Wood Hammer kills it, leaving my team wide open to just annihilate it and Groudon anyway because Groudon-Darkrai is freelo.

[stone trellis]

How fast does Lunala want to be in a TailRoom team?

118 makes it outspeed Scarf Annihilape when Tailwind is up, so is that good enough?

[solid frigate]

you literally

Said that to me 37 minutes ago

[bold geode]

Yeah just cuz I don't care about em don't mean I can't say em bro

I'm just not someone who flips out about em

[stone trellis]

Do I need to go faster?

[foggy lodge]

Ngl that's the only reason I don't really worry a lot about defensive calcs lol

Unless is a bulky support mon I usually just focus on offensive calcs because I know that I will get critted or something

[foggy lodge]

Btw yeah seems alright

[stone trellis]

I started using this team on an alt.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2507770899-07ux27tsh8v12f9bi7lj0vbul38ak4dpw

[waxen dock]

why on alt?

[stone trellis]

To start fresh.

Because it's better if I start from the bottom again and work my way up.

[stone trellis]

ALWAYS the CSR players...
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2507786256-quc15lc2yrb1406p8l71duxa78rjsc7pw

[dense latch]

they just didn't have any other attacking move on zama and maus is never beating lunala one on one

[stone trellis]

Then why did they even try?

[dense latch]

it’s low ladder

[stone trellis]

Just forfeit as soon as there aren't any options left.

[stone trellis]

Fair, I saw some guy using Tera Electric Specs Mirai.

Four months into Reg J and people are still using that coal 💔

[stone trellis]

Your GXE counts your win to loss ratio, correct?

How can I have 15 wins and 3 losses and have my GXE registered as 69% on a brand new alt?

[waxen dock]

Not exactly

But w/l ratio ia related to gxe

[stone trellis]

Shouldn't it be 83.3%?

[stone trellis]

It's so beautiful to see myself finally beating CSR players up and stealing their lunch money.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2507863250-f17yty4dp8nvhci4l3mi3metjbg5824pw

[dense latch]

yea like ido said w/l and gxe are two different things

gxe is the probability of you beating the average player

no idea what they define the average player to be but for a high gxe you can’t afford to lose in low ladder much if at all, then also climb higher up in the ladder

[stone trellis]

I have five losses out of 26 games with this team.

I'm already back to the low 1400s because of a crazy 9-game win streak I had.

[thorny widget]

f CSR players. They are to blame for global warming, the price of gasoline, wars, world hunger, and LZA PS1 textures

[foggy lodge]

One day I was in the street eating a sandwich and a CSR player came and kicked my food and did a backflip and said "no one is going to believe you"

[stone trellis]

I know this shit is fake because no CSR player is cool enough to know how to do a backflip.

[timber falcon]

is reg F the current format???

[dense latch]

yes

[stone trellis]

Reg F sucks, man.

This y'all GOAT?

None of the teams are good.

All of them have glaring fucking weaknesses that you're guaranteed to encounter in about 1/3 of the games you'll play on ladder.

[molten oasis]

?

[stone trellis]

I just hate Reg F, man.

I can't get used to it.

[bold geode]

Idt the conversion is exact
Idk how it works but I know it's not exactly off your WL at least starting out

You play more games and maybe it gets closer but yeah

[bold geode]

S tier mons, B+ tier teams
Reg F is a skill check

Balanced format that acts as a skill check
Arguably great format

[stone trellis]

Feels less like B+ and more like C.

[bold geode]

Nah I wouldn't say C

But yeah Reg F arguably relies more on skill

You can't just use a Pokemon or a team and be like "oh yeah I win cuz I'm using this"

[stone trellis]

My strongest aspect is teambuilding though.

I'm team carried to Hell and back.

This format is not for me.

[bold geode]

You're doomed to failure then my friend

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I know.

[bold geode]

Not tryna be that guy
Not tryna be a dick but

[stone trellis]

It's fine, I never claimed to be a skilled player.

[bold geode]

I think fundamentals and your play is far more important

[stone trellis]

I'm a thoroughly mediocre player at best who just builds good teams.

[bold geode]

Yeah
But don't you wanna be more

[stone trellis]

I want to, but I have far more important things to dedicate my time to.

[bold geode]

I mean fair, I wouldn't dedicate all of life to Pokemon but y'know

Life's short
If you're gonna do something, why half ass it

[stone trellis]

Because I have no time to dedicate any sort of effort towards full assing it.

[stone trellis]

Also, I finally made it to the part after the first dual on Silent Clubstep (in practice mode).

The orb spam is still a major hurdle for me on normal mode.

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/0YHJme4AtQw?si=7ueQov8g1Kiu7Smq

[dense latch]

#itshouldvebeenregc

[foggy lodge]

Tbh

They just gave us really bad options of formats lmao

It was reg C vs reg F vs reg I

Reg I was right after worlds and it's gs cup so no one likes it

Reg C was like okay I guess?

[dense latch]

i would’ve loved to try out pult pao

[foggy lodge]

I would have prefered reg A

It would have been so cool

[dense latch]

then again i was hearing great stuff about reg f too and then it sucked so idk anymore

[foggy lodge]

Small pool of mons and you end the format as you started the game

• reg A was super underdeveloped it only had two majors before switching to reg B

[molten oasis]

Im losing my interested in this format

I hate flutter man

[foggy lodge]

They just lied

[molten oasis]

I remember it being better

[dense latch]

i just started playing more geometry dash and p5r

i havent played a game in a week i think

[foggy lodge]

I played one (1) bo3 in this whole week

[molten oasis]

I don’t wanna play this format lol

[dense latch]

i finally got the hang of the wave parts in deadlocked

[foggy lodge]

I think its just boring

[forest arrow]

I think Reg D would’ve been peak

[foggy lodge]

Like the meta is going around the same cores for most teams

[molten oasis]

I think SV needed to end a while ago

[foggy lodge]

And then you just add some niche pick

[molten oasis]

This sucks lmao

[dense latch]

usually i can enjoy formats for 2-3 months before getting tired of it reg f lasted like 5 days

i thought it was just me getting used to the format but it was just not fun

[molten oasis]

I had 2 weeks of fun

Now I hop on, play the exact same 6 mons

And wanna break something, I’m so done

[foggy lodge]

Oh and

https://x.com/HappyDuckJJ1/status/2005402291797631335?s=20

HappyDuckJJ (@HappyDuckJJ1)

VR leaked teams 🫡 always been a believer in EVs being public

1: https://t.co/H37ahAmIJX
2: https://t.co/sXmpqsrOSV
3: https://t.co/6WhxLGavdj
4: https://t.co/MSyqTzDAqn
5: https://t.co/Rx5dbGn2IT
6: https://t.co/tceopA2BKV
7: https://t.co/wXnd9xmicZ
8: https://t.co/BFc8OoL4jU

X · Dec 28, 2025, 10:15 PM

[dense latch]

lmao i was just about to send that too

crazy oversight from vr

[foggy lodge]

Fs

To me it seems like

It must have been someone that didn't know they had to put the OTS version

Like if it happened with only some of them it could have been just a mistake of forgetting that all had to be OTS

[molten oasis]

Maybe bo1 reg f is just really bad lmao

[dense latch]

i'll get on bo1 and face flutter chi yu and have to guess the items or lose
then get on bo3 and play three consecutive dozo teams

[molten oasis]

Ok fair

Dozo is so annoying

Flutter feels so stupidly strong

[dense latch]

maybe it'll get better once we get some irl tours

big maybe

[molten oasis]

Maybe

[foggy lodge]

https://fixupx.com/SeaWolfMikes/status/2005395497071378444?s=20

SeaWolfMikes (@SeaWolfMikes)

how i feel laddering after vr and speed tying another bold speed booster t wave flutter mane thank you vr leak everyone is speed creeping now

**❤️ 3 👁️ 106 **

FixupX · Dec 28, 2025, 9:48 PM

[dense latch]

bold flutter is so annoying but i love using it

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[dense latch]

i had some fun with it for a bit before i took a break

[molten oasis]

Im taking a break for a few days

I keep trying stuff and just can’t land on anything

And then proceed to crash out so

[dense latch]

shoutout to that great tusk team in top 8

[dense latch]

tweet summoned seawolfmikes apparently

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/935917e8ed2209aa this is what i've been running

i got on one game and it was kinda fun but since ik it's not gonna last im ending on a high note

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2508067219-shu2vr6b1ye41jqc0s5ka95p9cd7g5npw

[molten oasis]

I’ve been trying to get shifu Hearthflame pao to work but it’s too frail I think

[dense latch]

bolt has helped a bit with that

but it's still kind of an issue given my pao is lorb too

very fun to use though tera stellar adamant lorb is some scary shit

[molten oasis]

Yea

Well, I think I need to do bolt and incin

And then prob flutter but I’ve thought about a bulky torn

Or moon

[foggy lodge]

I think the format isn't really terrible

But the format is terrible rn

Its just stale atp, its very likely that people are saving their teams for the next regionals because they just more important than VRs or ladder

A Basculegion balance team got top 1 of bo1 ladder and I haven't seen it at any of the VRs so maybe it is that

[molten oasis]

I don’t think so either but playing ladder rn is rough

Idk what to use I feel like I’m throwing myself at a brick wall

[foggy lodge]

Use a established team

[molten oasis]

Dude every single one of those teams is rilla incin shit no

[foggy lodge]

You are not searching enough then

[molten oasis]

I looked at the be teams those teams are fckn lame

Vr*

[dense latch]

prio spam is cool

my current team and the paonite team i tested brought me the most fun

[molten oasis]

I had the most fun with shifu hearth tw moon stuff

It’s rounding that out that’s kicking my ass

[dense latch]

surely they tried to do iron head but iron defense went first right

right?

[solid frigate]

hopefully

[rustic mountain]

eh with no irls ppl rnt gna b putting their sauce out in the open for ppl to copy

like u mentioned

just unfortunate timing w/ dec having none

we saw reg h undergo a lot of transformation in its return i think reg f will surprise ppl

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

In the end Rilla Incin lefties blursa was a transformation💔

[rustic mountain]

maybe not as much development but something

[foggy lodge]

Tho it atleast changed more in like its last month

Typhlosion being the #1 enemy was interesting

Volcarona and Tyohlosion

[rustic mountain]

dude we talked about this haha top useage doesnt = meta changes. good mons r gna stay good mons generally its whats used around those that shifts and isnt always converted into a top use mon on a graphic it doesnt mean a format is less diverse

centralization is apart of any good format, tho it can be bad too

like big 6 formats

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I think I hated too much into reg H meta LOL

[rustic mountain]

i mean ur allowed to

[foggy lodge]

I still don't like that meta but it did have more innovation that I gave it credit for

[rustic mountain]

i just think the reasons on why its hated matter. saying it wasnt diverse or didnt change much just objectively isnt really true even the first go around different shit was winning every tour and we saw new representation of mons or a certain 6

sure it didnt mean past strong archetypes were completely invalidated and some made a comeback but thats also part of the cyclical nature of meta development

good team gets too good, ppl overprep, said team gets worse new team is the now too good team and it repeats

[foggy lodge]

Yeah basically

[rustic mountain]

also as someone whose played in a format w/o centralization it absolutely sucks. ppl think they want the wild west until they get it and its complete chaos that breeds a new kind of frustration

[foggy lodge]

Yeah some type of centralization is fine

When you have to prepare for idk Victreebel HO you don't want to play anymore

[rustic mountain]

yea it gets really stupid

[foggy lodge]

I think I've never played a super

[rustic mountain]

nd u realize a lot of top mons r checks to keep certain things from going too haywire/out of control

[foggy lodge]

All over the place meta

[rustic mountain]

its cool for a second

[foggy lodge]

Its cool the first week until you realize that by each decision in the teambuilder you lose a tool into another MU

[rustic mountain]

cuz a lot of stuff can shine, but it gets old fast wen ur facing ur 6th team of completely new mons and r like wtf do i even do here

[foggy lodge]

So yeah like a format like 2016 with so much centralization is bad

[rustic mountain]

too much is horrendous too yea

[foggy lodge]

But a format with nothing is as terrible you just need a balance

[rustic mountain]

its tough

most formats will not have that balance

[foggy lodge]

I think Pokémon itself tends to go to the second route

[molten oasis]

What formats do?

[rustic mountain]

i actually thought reg h did

despite ppls over sensationalized takes

[molten oasis]

Mm

[foggy lodge]

Because its just a game with too much options in the teambuilder

[molten oasis]

I didn’t like reg h but it wasn’t the worst thing ever

[foggy lodge]

Cuz even taking examples from singles, Porygon2 which is a ZU mon just got #1 on ladder

[rustic mountain]

i think reg e actually was pretty balanced

[foggy lodge]

So I think it shows that the game does have a lot of options to make teams viable

[rustic mountain]

like in singles it got #1?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its crazy

[rustic mountain]

i think pokemon (for comp) is a lot about timing

look at dnite this gen

b/w a new mechanic and a new move, it opened up a whole new window for it that otherwise didnt exist

[molten oasis]

E was balanced

It was forgettable as hell, but balanced

[rustic mountain]

yea

[dense latch]

i don't think i ever hear reg e discourse

[molten oasis]

It was kinda just there

It wasn’t bad but it wasn’t anything crazy

[rustic mountain]

its sandwiched b/w 2 pretty hated formats

[dense latch]

feels like a very middle child format

[molten oasis]

Is reg f a hated format now?

Tho I think it’s, rough

[rustic mountain]

i feel like ppl do not like it

even tho it won the poll

[molten oasis]

I think the balance of it is just rough

[rustic mountain]

the top mons are just extremely strong

[molten oasis]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

its tough to not have a team w/ like 4/6 of them

[lost sun]

is there anywhere I can do double battles with the lza megas

[foggy lodge]

Because it was reg D but with Ogerpon

And with Blursa and Sinistcha ig

And Harcanine popped off

[next stump]

E was a lot of Torn Urshifu

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it was crazy

[rustic mountain]

dillon wat formats do u think have been balanced if any

[next stump]

without ogerpon or bolt your best checks were amoonguss and rilla which aren’t super great

I’m not sure, I think Reg F is kinda balanced but not super fun, I also think maybe single restricted? You could build around a decent amount of them and they had clear advantages and disadvantages

[rustic mountain]

i dont remember e having that much tornshifu wasnt that more reg d

[molten oasis]

Honestly reg g was like, solid

[rustic mountain]

reg g was too mu roulette to be balanced for me

[next stump]

Yeah it did feel like facing the wrong restricted was an uphill battle

[rustic mountain]

but a lot of ppl liked it

[rustic mountain]

reg g was solid, reg g 2.0 sucked

[molten oasis]

Ok true

Reg g 2 was bad

[dense latch]

reg g was fine ish for me

[rustic mountain]

for me atleast

i did not enjoy it 2nd go around

[molten oasis]

Nah reg g 2 was miserable

Reg h 2 was miserable imo too, like reg h 1 I gave a lot of shit but it wasn’t as bad

[rustic mountain]

im curious how reg j 2 will b

or i mean reg i

[molten oasis]

Reg I 2?

[rustic mountain]

double restricted returning

[dense latch]

yea for ranked ladder

[molten oasis]

Oh, man idgaf reg f is the vgc format lol

[rustic mountain]

sd only is rough if u arent competing

i love cart

[molten oasis]

I’m so used to Sd

[next stump]

it’s so weird because if you just read twitter it seems like no one plays VGC anymore but tournaments are still insta selling out

[rustic mountain]

right?

i saw the euic numbers its crazy the retention for vgc im glad to see it

i think ppl r just in lza mode for talking rn tho

so its skewed

[molten oasis]

Wish I had money for irl tournaments

Someday I will, just not today

[rustic mountain]

vgc is an expensive hobby

[rustic mountain]

not that im aware, maybe somewhere on sd?

prolly have to make ur own for that id imagine

[lost sun]

only one that shows is lza ou

[rustic mountain]

fuck yea idk then tbh

[lost sun]

guess I'll have to wait

[dense latch]

i'm lucky enough to have my country's special event a half hour drive away

but that's the only irl event i can afford to go to

i hope it's a fun format

[rustic mountain]

reg f?

[dense latch]

it's in may

[rustic mountain]

maybe champions by then

wen is reg f until

[forest arrow]

April?

[rustic mountain]

yea i feel like itd gta b the last format

[dense latch]

yea iirc it ends march 31st

[rustic mountain]

but who knows

like for sv

worlds is supposed to be on champions so

[dense latch]

i REALLY hope we're on champions by then im tired of sv

[next stump]

🙏 hopefully Champions by then

[forest arrow]

Heres to hoping this is our last format on SV

[molten oasis]

Champions needs to happen by then

[rustic mountain]

hahah every1 is so done w/ sv

[molten oasis]

Yes

[forest arrow]

It was fun and tera was amazing.

[lost sun]

real

[forest arrow]

but im ready to see those abilities

[rustic mountain]

i have a feeling a lot of ppl r gna miss tera

wdym i cant bail myself out of this terrible position

[molten oasis]

Tera was fine but I’ll probably miss it

[dense latch]

less 50s

[lost sun]

I'll be glad it's gone but also miss it

[dense latch]

better than dynamax at least

[molten oasis]

Cuz now we go into a mega format and I’ve heard not good things about mega formats

[forest arrow]

Ive never played in a non tera format so im ready to learn

[rustic mountain]

teras the best gimmick weve gotten

[dense latch]

for sure

[lost sun]

for vgc ye

[rustic mountain]

yea for vgc

[dense latch]

i had a brief experience with non gimmick formats 4 years ago

[molten oasis]

Should have played the 2018 format when that was a monthly SD format

[dense latch]

very fun

[molten oasis]

Was really interesting to play

[rustic mountain]

i mean no gimmick is clearly the best

series 10 ill always remember u

[dense latch]

goated format

[rustic mountain]

truly

[molten oasis]

That ain’t ever happening again

[rustic mountain]

im excited for a mega format tho ive never played one

[molten oasis]

I wish that happened in sv instead of rerunning 2 formats

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

same

[forest arrow]

I have a particular mega I want to be good

[molten oasis]

Im being honest

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[molten oasis]

It be a miracle if we got a no gimmick format

[rustic mountain]

?

[forest arrow]

Absol

[rustic mountain]

absol z?

[molten oasis]

I want Delphox and Bax to be good

[forest arrow]

its so peak

[molten oasis]

I also want Golispod to be good

[rustic mountain]

its gna suck i think sorry dude, i love the design tho

[forest arrow]

yeah

[dense latch]

mega absol z has one of my fav shinies oat

[rustic mountain]

its so frail and no sash

[molten oasis]

I hate that the z megas are all fast and frail attackers

[rustic mountain]

garchomp z is such a disgrace

[molten oasis]

Like, they’re not gonna get usage

[forest arrow]

I know, way to frail and cant use sash

[rustic mountain]

ive been wrong b4 tho just off rip

[forest arrow]

Biggest let down of 2025

[molten oasis]

That was so sad

[dense latch]

how do you fuck up mega garchomp twice

[rustic mountain]

like wat the actual fuck

[molten oasis]

I was like “new garchomp mega?” Then they made it a pure dragon special attacker

[rustic mountain]

its blasphemy

[molten oasis]

Thank but I’ll stick with my clam or lorb eq sets

[rustic mountain]

ngl most new megas dont seem like theyll b good

[forest arrow]

Tree

[rustic mountain]

but im waiting to see abilities maybe set some apart

[forest arrow]

im getting into manga, and beserk is gonna be the 2nd one i read

[dense latch]

i have personal beef w it too bc i kept avoiding spoilers waiting to see its design in game

only for it to not be in the game

[rustic mountain]

excellent choice

[molten oasis]

Abilities are hella important

So we’ll see what happens

Give Delphox psychic surge it’ll be funny!

[rustic mountain]

its an incredible story, but extremely dark so be prepared

[forest arrow]

i fw the guts pfp and just realized it was him lol

[solid frigate]

Garchomp’s Z mega Design is fine but the pure dragon is still ticking me off cuz the stats is really workable

[molten oasis]

It’s been that for ages

[forest arrow]

right up my ally, Im gonna read Vinland as my first

[rustic mountain]

haha ty yea ive had this pfp for so long now

[gentle crag]

treeco. has given 1 Gen Rep to throwdatahh

[dense latch]

i've heard so many good things abt berserk i've had it on my list since like 2021

[forest arrow]

Ik but now that I know who Guts is and where its from lmao

[rustic mountain]

vinland i heard is very good ive yet to check it out

[molten oasis]

Fair lol

[forest arrow]

prob my # 1

[rustic mountain]

only thing w/ berserk is like it isnt done and the original author did pass so its just his close friend + a team essentially finishing it up in his spare time based off like all his notes and storyboards

[forest arrow]

After I finished watching season 2, I refuse to wait 8 years for season 3 lmao

[rustic mountain]

usually what happens wen starting an anime that isnt done

i shifted to the manga for both one piece and jjk

[forest arrow]

Good to know isnt Vagabond in the same boat? thatll be my 3rd i read

[molten oasis]

Can’t wait for one piece season 1 to end

[rustic mountain]

and attack on titan and one punch man

tho i gave up on one punch man too much w/ the web comic and the manga to understand what is happening when

[forest arrow]

I seen that they were gonna continue Aot but didnt know if that was fake or not

[rustic mountain]

sites are not good at organizing them

nah i just meant like aot was an anime i started that wasnt finished so i started the manga

[forest arrow]

ohhhh okay

[rustic mountain]

p sure its also done now (the anime)

[dense latch]

yea

[rustic mountain]

that shit was a mistake tho it ended horribly

the beginning to the middle was peak tho

[forest arrow]

Yeah i fw aot

[rustic mountain]

eh it dropped a lot for me

[dense latch]

i haven't watched much anime since 2021 but i've heard about so many animanga endings being ass

[forest arrow]

Im also kind of new to it all, basically new gen stuff and grew up watching dragon ball, so im a big newbie to it

Im watching bleach now tho, its pretty fire

[molten oasis]

I’m not that into anime but I was for a little bit

[rustic mountain]

after the timeskip it got away from itself too much for me, eren changes way too much w/ very little explanation as to why other then oh yea i found the pathways and manipulated my reality to be who i am which is fake deep. and then like his subsequent motivations lacking anything of weight as a result

[dense latch]

i've had bleach on hold for a bit

[rustic mountain]

we have him destroying a world that we dont even know outside paradisa and marley

[dense latch]

my disney+ shows got reset so i lost where i was on bleach lmao

[rustic mountain]

just terrible character development and worldbuilding

[forest arrow]

did feel rushed in the end

[molten oasis]

Which is so odd

[rustic mountain]

oh mikasa is apart of a royal family of another country that we then learn nothing about and not 1 mention of it again

[molten oasis]

Because season 4 spread out over a few years

Season 4 was rough overall

[rustic mountain]

it was very rushed

[molten oasis]

1-3 was great tho

[rustic mountain]

but the author also just got lazy

[forest arrow]

Im about to finish the first arc i think

[rustic mountain]

he set up such an incredible story w/ characters u felt for only to somehow squander it and alienate any understanding towards the narrative or the characters place within it

jjk ending also was not good

[molten oasis]

Eren was a lot more interesting before season 4

Tbf most of the character were

[rustic mountain]

idk by seasons but if thats the timeskip then yes

[molten oasis]

Season 4 was the skip

[rustic mountain]

then agreed

[forest arrow]

I wanna read so bad but i also dont want to dissapoint myself cause i hear this often

[rustic mountain]

thats my take, a lot of ppl loved it

[molten oasis]

I think jjk is overrated

[rustic mountain]

again i just thought another example of something getting away from itself and sacrificing good storytelling and character development for the sake of plot

[molten oasis]

I wanna sit down and watch/finish MHA I heard that ended

[rustic mountain]

it started off really good imo

but not everything can b hxh

[molten oasis]

Nope

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

this guy knows ball

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

I’ve tried to sit down and watch DBZ, while I was kinda invested I lost interest

[foggy lodge]

People sell it too much as the CSR counter as if CSR couldn't just use speed control or redirection to get around it because they both explode each other

[molten oasis]

I haven’t had an anime hook me in so long it kinda sucks

[rustic mountain]

yea its just not even gna do that well

[forest arrow]

dbz is honestly same shit different day

[rustic mountain]

i can just protect switch in incin or if im sash take the hit and revenge ko

[forest arrow]

not worth imo i just grew up watching it

[rustic mountain]

dbz is like

the foundation

but it has a lot of flaws

[forest arrow]

everything after cell saga is just nah

[rustic mountain]

its worth if u start from dragon ball

it means more

[molten oasis]

I didn’t so that probably affected things, but still I’m not invested

[rustic mountain]

buu saga isnt bad its just not good

super has good moments

[forest arrow]

I do like dragon ball actually but after z is where I stopped truly enjoying it

[molten oasis]

I’d like to get invested in some long term show, watching only yt for the most part gets old

[dense latch]

watching super weekly was pretty hype

[rustic mountain]

its just not what u should b looking for if u want a very deep anime/manga

[forest arrow]

Yeah its a nice comfort anime

[rustic mountain]

exactly

[molten oasis]

Yeah that was what I wanted and not what I got lol

[forest arrow]

for nostalgia

[rustic mountain]

and like recognizing what it set for everything after

[molten oasis]

I got through the first frieza arc and just went “eh I’m done”

[rustic mountain]

we dont get one piece, naruto, bleach etc w/o dragonball

[molten oasis]

Ik cell arc is good tho

[forest arrow]

very true

[forest arrow]

probably my fav arc

[rustic mountain]

cell arc is overrated its very bloated for all the talk of the frieza saga idk y cell saga gets a pass

[dense latch]

i never watched dbz in its entirety only what got broadcasted on tv

[rustic mountain]

i recently rewatched all of it

[molten oasis]

I think that first frieza arc was fire

[forest arrow]

gohan becoming the main character is what i wanted

[molten oasis]

Like seeing super saiyan for the first time was really cool

[dense latch]

they took dbz off the streaming platform i was watching it in :(

[rustic mountain]

shouldve been but toriyama got scared

i think thats why buu saga feels weird

it just becomes everybody trying but ultimately failing just for goku to b the guy again

[dense latch]

i liked the "recent" manga only db super arcs

[molten oasis]

That seems, common

[forest arrow]

Which is pretty much every arc that they dont fuse lol

[rustic mountain]

it is but like

[molten oasis]

I haven’t even watched enough to really know but that seems to be the case which wasn’t that interesting to me

I like seeing everyone actually shine

[rustic mountain]

this was an arc where basically goku is like its up to yall which never happened b4 and then he has to basically bail them out

[molten oasis]

One the reasons I like One Piece

[forest arrow]

gotta admit in the super hero movie them finally giving piccolo something was very nice

[molten oasis]

Is cuz we see everyone shine, yes luffy does the big guy every time but still

[dense latch]

yea like ssj 3 goku coulda handled majin buu but left it to the kids and they fucked it up lol

[rustic mountain]

thats in the manga too

very cool

[dense latch]

then gohan stepped up and didnt get the job done either

[rustic mountain]

i just wish it wasnt during a ||cell fight but bigger repeat arc||

[molten oasis]

Damn bro spoilers

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

i tried man

[molten oasis]

I hope others didn’t see it

[forest arrow]

Agreed

[dense latch]

a few dbz arcs coulda ended much earlier if characters didnt get overconfident

[rustic mountain]

if i spoiled u thats all that matters

jkin lmao

[forest arrow]

saiyans bro gotta be arrogant asf

lmao

[molten oasis]

I don’t care I’m not gonna go back rn

[forest arrow]

I need to revisit One Peice Im still in the Alabasta arc

[molten oasis]

I don’t think Goku is really that deep of a protagonist to watch, tho that might have changed if I watched original dragon ball

[rustic mountain]

well no

[molten oasis]

I’m gonna get flamed for that

[rustic mountain]

hes not a deeper protagonist in db

but like u see more of the journey

things make more sense then just jumpin in wen he has a kid and is married already

[molten oasis]

I want to see a deeper protagonist tbf

[forest arrow]

hmm

[molten oasis]

Tho idt im getting anything compared to One Piece lol

So I should lower my expectations

[forest arrow]

watch vinland

[rustic mountain]

one piece is not a good comparison haha

[forest arrow]

totally not biased

[molten oasis]

It ain’t lol

[foggy lodge]

I haven't watched all the series but I think the first series had Goku as more deeper character

[rustic mountain]

also tbf luffy isnt really a deep protagonist

[molten oasis]

That’s true

[rustic mountain]

he mirrors a lot of goku characteristics

[foggy lodge]

I think after Z it just became like

He was just established

[rustic mountain]

its just hes apart of a world and story that has deeper themes and characters

[molten oasis]

Well, he was somewhat based on Goku

[rustic mountain]

oh 100%

oda has said db is a big inspiration for one piece

[molten oasis]

I still think Luffy and the Strawbats are more interesting before

Ok thanks fat fingers

[rustic mountain]

strawbats r wat we should call the crew that tried impersonating the shs after the timeskip

[molten oasis]

Strawhats, and more interesting to watch

[molten oasis]

Real lmao

[forest arrow]

Ive only gotten has far as chopper

[rustic mountain]

dude

u gta watch/read

[molten oasis]

Watch it

One piece is peak

[forest arrow]

I’ll definitely start watching again, I’m || currently where they are traveling with Ace ||

I’m like way behind lmao

[molten oasis]

Oh, I’ve thought about bleach

[rustic mountain]

yea ik where that is

i mean its not a sprint take ur time

[molten oasis]

Dude you’re in the prehistoric ages lol

[forest arrow]

When I started I kind of bull rushed to that moment in like 3 days?

[molten oasis]

That’s super early in one piece

[forest arrow]

maybe 4 i definitely binged it tho hard

[rustic mountain]

thats great imagine having 900 episodes to watch

[molten oasis]

Yeah I know, he’s has so much enjoyment and pain to see and witness

[rustic mountain]

exactly

[forest arrow]

Well

[rustic mountain]

genuinely the best story ever told

[molten oasis]

The feeling of watching One Piece for the first time man

[rustic mountain]

frfr

[molten oasis]

So many highs

Got me through high school

[forest arrow]

Okay one piece it is, I need to find the episode, I may just start from where they || meet Ace again ||

[dense latch]

i stopped after arlong park lol i should pick it up again

[rustic mountain]

did u start from the beginning?

[molten oasis]

I’d start at the beginning of Alabasta honestly

[rustic mountain]

or is this like i picked up from where i left off from years ago

[molten oasis]

Just get yourself back into the vibes

Aww dude I binged through the last year of one piece

[forest arrow]

Yeah I’ve watched all the way up to || traveling with Ace I just forgot where in the story I got to with traveling ||

[rustic mountain]

damn thats a crazy part to stop at

[molten oasis]

||Kuma’s backstory was so sad||

[rustic mountain]

id take dragos advice just start from beginning of alabasta

theres sites that have which arcs start at which ep

[molten oasis]

Ye

[forest arrow]

Okay bet

[rustic mountain]

cuz like jus jumpin right in, shit might b weirder to pick back up on

[forest arrow]

Oh wait || they met him there? ||

[rustic mountain]

one of the saddest if not the #1

[molten oasis]

Felt that way when you stop watching mid year to binge later

[rustic mountain]

do u care about spoilers?

[dense latch]

yea fuck it i'll just find some recap

[molten oasis]

I did that right before ||g5||, felt jarring but it was fire

[forest arrow]

As long as there not huge, I just may be misremembering some stuff

[rustic mountain]

they ||meet him in alabasta yea||

[molten oasis]

100%

[forest arrow]

|| okay i was thinking they traveled TO it with him ||

|| but they must’ve just been going else where once they met him there ||

[molten oasis]

Wait he gets to experience uhm

[rustic mountain]

nah ur prolly mixing it up that they ||travel a bit w/ him but first they meet up with him there||

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

Yeah ill just restart the alabasta arc lol

[molten oasis]

I don’t remember the fucking name!

[rustic mountain]

oh i thought u were gna say something else

[molten oasis]

Its before ||Brook|| I just don’t remember the fckn name

That arc was crazy to watch for the first time tho

[rustic mountain]

the arc b4 him?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[rustic mountain]

or the arc that introduces him

arc b4 is ||enies lobby/water 7||

[molten oasis]

yeah that’s it

It was on the tip of my tongue, that was, all fire

[rustic mountain]

dude thats like

one of the best arcs in op

[molten oasis]

100%

[bold geode]

Had to get it from Home but

Next GC announced

Ruleset is Regulation F

[rustic mountain]

great another gc i cant play in

wtf dude

[molten oasis]

Another GC I’ll likely skip

[rustic mountain]

they literally pick the specific weekends i cant play

this is actually a joke at this point

[bold geode]

Damn
Tbh too like
I think one weekend this month is Toronto and another weekend has like 3 regionals happening at once too

This January is kinda jank to hold a GC

[rustic mountain]

yea its just like everytime damn near its the 1 weekend out of the 4 that month that i cant play

[bold geode]

Yeah that blows

[molten oasis]

That sucks man

[forest arrow]

I think I start from Ep 92?

Can yall fact check me

[rustic mountain]

seems right

looks like 93 is filler tho so make sure u have a site telling u which ones to skip

[molten oasis]

Yes 92

[forest arrow]

Okay sounds good

[molten oasis]

Hm, long term anime

I need to look at Vinland Saga

And I’ve had brief thoughts about Bleach

But idk

[forest arrow]

Oh 92 is definitely the filler episode 93 is the one I need to start with

[molten oasis]

Oh ok

[forest arrow]

Yeah I read the description real fast before watching

|| 92 says like before reaching alabasta they found someone yada yada and 93 is finally arriving alabasta yada yada ||

[molten oasis]

Ah lol

[bold geode]

@rustic mountain Did you see that Victory Road accidentally leaked like 30+ teams that did well in the VR tour

[rustic mountain]

nah howd that even happen

[dense latch]

im guessing whoever was in charge accidentally chose the wrong lists to make public

[rustic mountain]

oof

[dense latch]

some guy posted all the day 2 lists on twitter

[bold geode]

They accidentally posted the CTS or the pastes with EVs instead of the OTS somehow

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

And now everyone has them

If you don't know what to play in the GC just grab one of those pastes

I was going to try to play like a gimmick thing but I think I'll just use a standard team

[bold geode]

@jade dust plz leave #rental_teams clear for rentals
If you wanna post SD replays, post em here

[jade dust]

My bad I was sure I posted it in this channel

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2508174260

[stone trellis]

We're having a GC again?

When?

[foggy lodge]

January 9th

[stone trellis]

Reg F?

People in O-Block call me Spongebob, because I'm ready.

(To place really badly lmao)

[knotty briar]

Thoughts on this reg H team?

[foggy lodge]

It's just a reg H team

Seems very outdated for a psyspam team

[knotty briar]

What improvements would you recommend?

[waxen dock]

Yesssssssssssssss

Yes finaly

Im so happy

[stone trellis]

We should lowkey build and use the same team in the GC.

We're both in Seniors, so it'd be 100 times funnier if we got to fight each other.

[waxen dock]

I thought you arent

[stone trellis]

^

[waxen dock]

In seniors

[stone trellis]

We've talked about this multiple times, I am in Seniors.

[waxen dock]

I thought you were born in 2009 or after

[stone trellis]

I was born in 2009, yeah.

[waxen dock]

So you are masters

[stone trellis]

Oh well, I'd still use the same team as you.

[waxen dock]

I dont think you will like it

But i can dm you it

[stone trellis]

Sure.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2508329980-nx8pp9jk0ii3wqak9yj953ct87w1cocpw

[waxen dock]

is this the team you are bringing to the gc?

[stone trellis]

I mean, probably.

I might need to iron some things out.

[waxen dock]

i think crunch cpao is a little weird

people ususally use sacred sword or ice shard

[stone trellis]

I had to reserve a spot for Haze, so...

[waxen dock]

bro

dozo isnt that common

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[waxen dock]

and you have enough counters

[stone trellis]

So I'll probably exchange it for Ice Shard.

[waxen dock]

sacred sword is better

[stone trellis]

Sure.

[waxen dock]

and my tatsu has 30 attack iv

well thats the price of him having a good nature

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2508338540-f1a2ao48e69syfhhg4hje2f2cg2ehn4pw

[waxen dock]

paul you dont have to share a replay everytime you win

[stone trellis]

I'm gonna do whatever I want, these are only half the replays.

(I lose in the other half)

[bold geode]

We ain't in Reg H anymore for starters

[stone trellis]

I need nicknames for my team members.

Chien-Pao is going to be named Felix, that one won't change.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2508403997-t87wg0q9whkpwi0xvavl2m0492v1t3qpw

[bold geode]

On the contrary, I support sending replays for review a lot
Actually Paul I'd like to see some losses too

[waxen dock]

ok

i think i know a lot of things about champions by now

i think it will take exactly 1132 champions money to make a mon

with moves and all

[foggy lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/fNcQjBz424s?si=Bg2YG-1cDxG9D_Hl&t=8h33m20s

I WAS NOT CRAZY

Unless Jamie messed up this is indeed the last format before Champions

[stone trellis]

I'll flood chat if I post losses too.

I'll just DM you the copy of PASRS I have for this team so you can view everything there.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2508542061-75aexo2vgkvaghn0s9s3yo3yacoektkpw

You wanted a loss? Here.

[thorn gyro]

Does anyone know any online tournaments or a place where I can find some? They don't need to be super official ones, I just kinda want to join some but can't find any.

[stone trellis]

There will be an official tournament on January 9th.

[thorn gyro]

Okay thanks

[gentle crag]

ancientyruntlizard has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[thorn gyro]

What is this

[stone trellis]

Every time you thank someone, they get these things called Gen Rep.

No fucking idea what they do, it just sounds cool.

[thorn gyro]

Oh okay

[thorn gyro]

Well thanks. Have another for that

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1767046509:R>.

[thorn gyro]

Nvm lol

[dense latch]

just send losses where you specifically want feedback

[stone trellis]

I'll probably still flood chat.

[foggy lodge]

Limitless

[thorn gyro]

What's dat

[dense latch]

platform to host and play in online tournaments

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/?game=VGC

[thorn gyro]

Oh shoot. Thank you guys

[gentle crag]

ancientyruntlizard has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[waxen dock]

I think they need to change the gc

In a way where there is global ranking and region ranking

Cuz how tf does it makes sense i gwt the same amount of points when i do top 256 and 1st place

[next stump]

It used to be global ranking

The whole system sucks

[waxen dock]

I think it should be both

That you can get up to 100 points(if you win the entire tour)

60 for regional and 40 for global(max points you can get)

[gloomy shard]

Can anybody rate my team

[karmic grove]

Is gholdengo garchomp mega greninja a good team currently?

Finally got image perms

[gloomy shard]

Mega scolipede, feraligatr, goodra, aegislash, gardevoir, krookadile

[solid frigate]

That’s ZA comp

You can go to here #lza_competitive

[solid frigate]

That’s a ZA playthrough team

Not a competitive team sorry

[gloomy shard]

Idk what channel to talk abt it

[solid frigate]

#lza_discussion or #archive_lza_dlc_spoilers if you have any dlc mons

[rustic mountain]

vgc players wen asked about za comp:

[foggy lodge]

Fr

I've had people ask me about their ZA teams for comp like sorry dude I only play the turn based one💔

[rustic mountain]

za comp is kinda cool

[solid frigate]

Is it just me or is my Emboar just have a habit of being a fucking bomb to opponents (Online and Playthrough as well)

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/5f051d9872d7c832 a team im trying to create (centred off focus energy hydreigon)

any advice on potantial last 2 mons or the current team would be much appreciated 🙏

[stone trellis]

Why Clear Amulet over Assault Vest on Rillaboom?

And if Whimsicott's going to have Sunny Day, you might as well include an auto sun setter in there.

[stone trellis]

And why AV on Heatran?

He doesn't live Landorus Earth Power with or without it.

[timber falcon]

Partly because when creating the team, I decided AV heatran would be my tank before I thoguht of rilla, but my reasoning after was because I would like my rilla to be able to consistently deal massive amounts of chip at any given moment

[stone trellis]

So go Choice Band.

[timber falcon]

Admittedly, I haven’t considered landing-I existence

[stone trellis]

And Heatran can be tanky without Assault Vest.

Have you ever considered Sitrus Berry?

[timber falcon]

Fake out assists hydreigon with focus energy more, and u-turn allows for the pivot into heatran in case things get dicey

[stone trellis]

What U-turn?

You don't have U-turn.

[timber falcon]

Does it not say u-turn?

That’s mb, I meant to change that. I’m guessing it currently says high jorse power

[stone trellis]

It says Wood Hammer, Grass Knot (dumb), Fake Out and High Horsepower.

Why Grass Knot?

[timber falcon]

Supposed to be grassy glide that’s also on me lol

[stone trellis]

It's a special move on a physical attacker in a format without many heavy Pokemon.

Aight.

Either way, give Heatran the Sitrus Berry, I promise he'll cook.

[timber falcon]

I’m quite inexperienced with heatran so maybe I underestimated it. I’ll experiment with both

[stone trellis]

Let me put it this way: It survives max Attack Adamant Urshifu Surging Strikes/Close Combat.

Without Sitrus Berry.

[timber falcon]

Oh damn

That’s kinda why I added rilla, to make shifu think twice

[stone trellis]

Adding Sitrus Berry also helps with its tankiness because you have a form of recovery that is always an option regardless of terrain.

[timber falcon]

True, would lead to assault vest slot being open too

Offensively what would heatran run then?

[timber falcon]

Sunny day is mostly a placeholder, i felt as though its a potential lead with heatran as well as a form of control over rain archetypes

[stone trellis]

You mean in terms of EVs or in terms of moves?

[timber falcon]

moves

my problem is magma storm has 75% accuracy, and im not mentally prepared to lose games because of it

[stone trellis]

Heat Wave.

[timber falcon]

you make a compelling argument

[stone trellis]

It's my biggest strength.

[left bobcat]

Wait wdym

[stone trellis]

Making good arguments is my biggest strength.

How do you interpret it as anything but that?

[mighty stump]

Happy New Year comp chat

May you all be healthy and happy

[mighty stump]

I have old Heatran post on the blog I think? maybe that might help

[left bobcat]

Popeyes chicken sandwich

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/33daddca04c76fa0 started off with 252/252 in order to begin a few battles and get a feel with the team, and decided AV heatran came in clutch more than sitrus

but im still lost as to the last 2 pokemon

[foggy lodge]

Why Hydreigon

[timber falcon]

recently replayed pomemon black and just decided i wanna try make him work

the team is supposed to be built around it

[foggy lodge]

Ah

[stone trellis]

Add Incineroar and Urshifu.

You complete the FWG and you get Jungle Bros.

Which also means you have 3 physical attackers and 3 special attackers.

On top of having great positioning.

Give Hydreigon 4 HP EVs and 4 SpA EVs to Whimsicott.

[timber falcon]

originally i was going to use urshifu. However, partly due to already running sunny day and lacking the physical bulk i was looking for, ive ended up with a support milotic

whilst for the last slot im stuck between incineroar or a trick room pokemon such as farig and porygon.

but i really didnt notice my lack of physical attackers, so ill stick with incineroar with maybe wisp if

[stone trellis]

Wisp Incin can also proc Flash Fire.

[timber falcon]

True true, also helps against chien pao + dragonite/firepon match ups

[stone trellis]

Happy new year, guys!

[timber falcon]

I’m still 2 hours behind

[stone trellis]

You're from the UK?

[solid frigate]

i'm just waiting for new year before going to bed

[timber falcon]

mhm

[solid frigate]

Happy new year!

[timber falcon]

Happy near year

[foggy lodge]

HAPPY NEW YEAR GANG I WSH YOU ALL TO CONNECT SLL YOUR ATTACKS AND CRIT A LOT AND DODGE EVERY SLEEP POWDER

[bold geode]

I was gonna wait but idk if imma make it til 12 so Happy New Years y'all, I hope we ball the fuck out in 2026 and hit every goal and beyond

[shadow wind]

Happy new year guys

[molten oasis]

Happy new year

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/late-night-seth-lnsm-seth-meyers-drinking-boxing-gif-9705607

I rang in the New Year manning the confetti cannons for the city's ball drop event.

[bold geode]

Bro I conked out at 10 even though I wasn't tired, got woke up at 11, made it to 11:45, thought "oh imma actually make it".....

And then the next thing I remember is waking up at 4 AM

I did not make it dawg

[foggy lodge]

Baby sleep schedule

[bold geode]

I'm going to put bees in your teeth

[stone trellis]

How fast does Dozo need to be?

Who do I want to outspeed at +2?

[waxen dock]

dont tell me you are using my team

[stone trellis]

Already thanked you in DMs for posting the link.

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to ido1500

[waxen dock]

Well i thought you said you wont use it

[stone trellis]

I tried it and it worked.

I derive little to no enjoyment from Reg F, so I couldn't care less about the kind of team I use.

[bold geode]

I gotta build my team later

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/9a62b253da66fe31 any thoughts on the team? Evs were placeholders for test runs

i also just got destroyed by one amoongus, looking for ways to include a potential hard mushroom counter (it ran sludge bomb)

[polar nest]

Ur missing over 130 evs on heatran

As well as 4 on hydreigon and whimsicott

[timber falcon]

That would explain a lot actually

Ty for pointing that out

[polar nest]

Yw

Im no vgc expert but I think its neat, scope lens hydreigon is cool, but i think some redirection support to help it get setup could be nice. Also the way that whims has its evs tera ghost sash seems way better

[timber falcon]

Seems like cause I uploaded the team to database it changed back items and evs

Hydreigon now runs lorb to OHKO a wider range of mons

[timber falcon]

For some reason I completely neglected the idea of focus sash

It’d help to put more evs into offence, I’ll try it out

[polar nest]

Yea that would probably work better

Ive been locked in on crown for the past month and dont really have any experience with other teams

[timber falcon]

That’s fair, I’ve been off and on for months now so my team building skills are a little clumsy

[polar nest]

Oof

Raging bolt was looking tough, especially av snarl, but then horse came and solved all my problems

[timber falcon]

Ah yes, the restricted pokemon. I’m so happy reg F is available where I can play in peace without 2 turn sweep games around every corner

[polar nest]

No not ice rider, just glastrier

[timber falcon]

Oh wait really?

I’ve seen spectrier but glastrier never really came to mind

What ice STAB does it even have without calyrex?

[polar nest]

Yea, it works with indeedee bcuz deedee has tr swords dance to setup and Icicle Crash and tera poison Tera blast to hit bolt in and out of Tera, after one sd (which is ez to set up with double redirection) it can sweep the board with ice and poison damage, cant hit steel but say hello to ogerpon fire

Poison over steel to not overlap on weaknesses

[timber falcon]

So an anti bolt mechanism lol, what about incin?

[polar nest]

2 fire is kinda redundant and fo doesn't work in psychic terrain

[timber falcon]

True, except for flying pokemon I rediscovered recently

[polar nest]

Yea but still incin just doesn't fit in very well onto my team

[timber falcon]

What’s your team actually? You got a paste?

[polar nest]

Yeah here

https://pokepast.es/e338f7a0eb990ca1

Sorry it took me a minute to get back

[timber falcon]

I’m a big fan of the speed control there, fast and slow mode

[polar nest]

Yea, I got the og paste from Justin carris (who got top 4 at orl 2024 with it), ended up swapping regidrago for glastrier and after switching from LO to never melt to clear amulet it feels really good, and mental herb helps indeedee setup tr

But tbh I've been considering focus sash, I haven't even seen a single non prankster Taunt pokemon on ladder yet but I hear flutter have started running it so I'll stay for now

[timber falcon]

What pokemon is one shotting indeedee anyways?

[polar nest]

Ursh dark...

I did lose once bcuz of that

[timber falcon]

Oh yeah lol, did lose a couple games to a choice banded variant

[polar nest]

Same, did not respect that insane damage

[timber falcon]

Almost found myself changing my entire team after watching my supposedly bulky heatran get OHKOd so easily

[polar nest]

Oh lmao

[timber falcon]

Found out that attempting to tank Close combats from urshifu without knowing the item first is a no go

[polar nest]

Fair

The grand super plan of greatness
Part 1 play gc as test run
Part 2 go win 1st major the weekend after bcuz l + ratio + Icicle Crash

[timber falcon]

Wait when is there a gc???

7 days huh, if my team turns out fine I’ll have to join, been forever since I actually played scarlet

[polar nest]

Real, just booted up violet to do some in game team-building, had a hard time adjusting back to the controls from z-a, now im just missing a glastrier (in violet its only group quests 😭 ) and need some tera changes done

Also fun fact: indeeedee learns Fake Out but like never uses it

[molten oasis]

I think I’m done until champions lol

[dense latch]

same

[thorny widget]

Last reg with Ogerpon legal in a while I sure

[rustic mountain]

idk they didnt wait that long for sv to bring in legends

[solid frigate]

its just 3-4 month difference its not that long

[stone trellis]

Yep, it's a vantablack.

[polar nest]

What does that even mean-

[stone trellis]

There's this scale people used to classify the quality of some images.

It goes:

1. Gemerald (highest quality)
2. Gem (good-really good)
3. Iron (Basic)
4. Coal (Bad)
5. Brimstone (really bad)
6. Vantablack (absolute dogshit)

[timber schooner]

Im going to be competing in the Orlando reginol in April

[next stump]

Awesome, good luck!

[polar nest]

so ur saying my team is dogshit then?

ok fair nuff i suck at this game

[solid frigate]

It’s more like the foundations of a VGC team feels

Flawed

Also the horses sucks without Calyrex

[polar nest]

eh I just added bcuz i was struggling into raging bolt and its actually been quite good

the rest of the paste I just kept the same from the one I got from justin carris

I did come up with what I think are justified reasons
Makes TR on deedee alot better
Beats Raging Bolt in and out of tera (annoying guy)
is really tanky and has a higher physical attack than koraidon, after 1 SD it can snowball games and thats ez to get up with double redirection
has moxie to get even stronger

[solid frigate]

You have Chien Pao and Landorus as Bolt Detergent

You could choose either if not both

[polar nest]

lando is worse imo bcuz bolt can boost spdef but not def

and during coaching w/ justin he said that ogerpon ursh torn crown deedee needed to be there for the team to work

Chien is also wayyy frailer

[solid frigate]

You still chunk it

I actually have that discussion with others about it and Lando is still one of the better ones doing that job

Chien Pao Focus sash+TW should at least Take care of Bolt

[polar nest]

Hmmm ok

Well I alr locked glast for the gc, if its bad I'll swap to chien pao

[waxen dock]

if you are in masters you need to be ready on time cuz the sign ups get sold out quickly

[stone trellis]

I don't think it's dogshit, I just dislike it a lot.

Me saying a team is HO brimstone or CSR coal doesn't mean the team isn't good, it just means I personally don't like it.

[near mountain]

hey can somoneh help me build a causal team for swsh doubles

i just want to have some fun

[timber falcon]

What’s HO brimstone mean?

[stone trellis]

Hyper offense team that I really dislike.

So just hyper offense in general.

[bold geode]

Brother just say you don't like something

[stone trellis]

Nah, it's better if I call it funny names.

You can't tell me that "CSR vantablack" isn't infinitely better than "CSR team I don't like".

[bold geode]

Bro's treating teams like they're lip gloss

[stone trellis]

I stole the term from soyjaks, not from lip gloss.

[next stump]

Rank 2 Bo3 team

[molten oasis]

Heatran real again

[bold geode]

Tera Bug Heatran based

[foggy lodge]

The number 1 of ladder is running pain split Flutter

[molten oasis]

Wild

[dense latch]

i wonder how much it takes away from bolt

[foggy lodge]

It leaves Flutter with more HP than it can have

Actually what the hell are the pain split interactions

[foggy lodge]

That didn't tell me anything

[dense latch]

how do you even ev pain split flutter

bc you still want it to be somewhat bulky and idk if 252 def is enough

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Actually this pain split shit is a tech for Pao sucker punch xd

Break Pao's sash and avoid sucker punch

It still has other uses but a main thing is for that

[dense latch]

tclap bolt too to a certain extent

damn flutter is really suffering from 4 move slot syndrome now lmao

[foggy lodge]

Moonblast, shadow ball, dazzling gleam, icy wind, taunt, twave, pain split

You can even run sunny day

This is actually my biggest problem with Flutter it just learns too much shit

Weather control, anti support, speed control and damage moves all in one mon

[timber falcon]

What role would heatran act here? I can see the flutter deletion, but is that all it can be used as? Just searching for a little insight

[stone trellis]

If it were something like Safety Goggles, it would also be able to enact Total Amoonguss Death.

Amoonguss can't damage it at all, all of Heatran's moves can hit it for neutral or super effective pre and post-Tera and Spore is just out of the question entirely.

[stone trellis]

I KNEW LANDO-T AND HEATRAN WERE NOT WASHED

[hollow echo]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldex-2511221234

[timber falcon]

I’m having a lot of trouble with urshifu and lando-I lately, mons that consistently cause me trouble. Any reliable counters?

[rose oriole]

Gus is good for rapid strike, decent against single. Decent mu into Lando if you Tera him. Articuno teams are good vs Lando

[timber falcon]

Ended up running waterpon for now, but if things don’t go as planned I’ll run some moongus test runs, definitely helps with the resistances

[hollow echo]

yo

[next stump]

yo

[waxen dock]

so fun to lose 2 times game 3 to luck

in a 100 euro tour

which is more than 100$

i just dont want to miss 3 overheats when i go to a regional

[polar canyon]

Wide lens chi yu

[stone trellis]

It's 117 bucks, yeah.

[stone trellis]

It's on you for prioritising power over consistency.

If you want Chi-Yu to land its moves and not miss four Heat Waves in a row (I've had that happen in one game), either use a more accurate set of moves or find a way to increase the accuracy of the already existing ones.

[timber falcon]

I’m dealing with a similar problem on my heatran, magma storm is amazing when it hits, but 75% accuracy is hellll

[bold geode]

You were in that too?

[lofty tartan]

It's risk vs reward. You're often using it to trap. When it hits it's an absolute windfall of advantage.

Big believer of Magma Storm over here.

[molten oasis]

Zoom lense ez

[wet wedge]

Is there anyone named Adrian on the cart ladder running Mirai Lunala Chi-Yu Sash-Ursh Hands Whimsi

Just had an insane match w this guy and I feel the urge to say gg (im not gonna find him lmao!)

[solid frigate]

I don’t think we have a guy called Adrian

[wet wedge]

Lmao fair

It was a shot in the dark LOL

But that game was insane I got completely owned at the end

How does one lead Specs Miraidon against a team with back Wide Guard Lunala, click Dazzling Gleam turn 1, never switch it out and win with only Miraidon left

Either the guy’s the goat or I’m just bad

[solid frigate]

Mostly based off of prediction or Just like to click buttons

[wet wedge]

The former lmao, he got every Wide Guard turn right but 😭

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2512227359-kg591b4ja9gcscabjrlvm35xawdlqs9pw

Yes die fucking Smeargle worthless piece of shit

I got every play right here

[bold geode]

Blud you need to calm down

[jade dust]

Smeargle deserves it