competitive_discussion

[stone trellis]

I love PTFK for that very reason.

It just shits on so many annoying niche Pokemon that would otherwise be total demons in Bo1 CTS.

[left bobcat]

New fettuccine

[graceful flare]

How can I beat Miraidon with this team? I almost always lose to Miraidon

[shadow wind]

Replace Ogerpon with Rillaboom and switch Raging bolt's item?

[stone trellis]

What about Life Orb Koraidon?

Also put AV on Incin so it can sit there and annoy Mirai.

[forest arrow]

@rustic mountain

[solid frigate]

you are not beating Miraidon with this team

[graceful flare]

So how do I beat it?

I will try AV Incin

[bold geode]

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X · Dec 15, 2025, 5:07 PM

[stone trellis]

Three-day regionals? God damn.

[bold geode]

Nah they're just two day

They show as 3 day though
Was the same with other regionals

[solid frigate]

different time zones stuff

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[rustic mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-18069003738146878767

[steep wadi]

If alcreamie got follow me would it have a competitive niche? I think it would help as a setup mon for your attacker especially something like garchomp Z when champions releases if you can play it as a mixed attacker

[rustic mountain]

decorate gave it a niche somewhat in swsh for a brief period. then smeargle got access to it in sv and that was it

[real prairie]

Focus Sash Flutter + LORB CSR

[thorny widget]

Fairy or electric? I want to think it's the fairy one, since this team is an instant win against the electric variant

Also, unpolar opinion, but any Koraidon team with good past paradox > any Miraidon team idc anything

Amoongus is a good option for both Miraidon variants btw

[next stump]

EUIC signups tomorrow, don’t forget!

[solid frigate]

Probably not gonna sign in due to money constraints in my end

[bold geode]

@summer shore it's finally time

For dollarmOUnke

[molten oasis]

What?

[summer shore]

ZAOU?

[bold geode]

SV OU
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2500491991-kmoybo392kgd6hkv4i7fsheq5fbvwrkpw
My first game here, did I do alright

[summer shore]

You kinda fumbled momentum a bit mid to late but early was good

[foggy lodge]

Comp helper do you have ZA OU sample teams

[summer shore]

I haven't played dlc zaou yet

And the meta has changed

So dont have any teams

[foggy lodge]

I saw some replays from like 1500 ladder and apparently Genesect is broken?

I saw like 10 teams and 8 had Genesect so

Download is a pretty crazy ability for it

[summer shore]

Therr are like

100 brokens in the tier rn

Its great if you wanna have fun with the brokens before they get banned

Bad if you wanna see how the format will unravel

Z megas are kinda getting fraud checked tho

[foggy lodge]

Even in singles?

I thought they were going to be crazy in singles

[bold geode]

I see
Yeah I honestly like throughout the game had like 2 different end games and I couldn't tell which one was the right one to plan out and I also was figuring out how certain things worked but yeah
Early game though like deadass I just forgot things like I forgot regular Zamazenta wasn't Steel type LOL

[molten oasis]

Why are you playing OU?

[bold geode]

I was told singles can help with learning to manage resources for the long game

[molten oasis]

I see

[bold geode]

And that is a skill I sorely lack

[molten oasis]

Smart

[bold geode]

I feel like I'm good at getting current turns right but bad at managing stuff to make sure I can traverse mid games and close out endgames

[summer shore]

Absol migjt be broke not broken 😞

[bold geode]

What DLC megas are busted

Does Five Turns in Trick Room work for the crab

[summer shore]

Crab is lowkey fire

I havent played any DLC so I cant really say with full confidence

[summer shore]

You need to start actually planning mid to end from champ select

[bold geode]

Champ select?

[summer shore]

Lead

[bold geode]

Ah

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode this was sad to watch dude lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2500545189-jk0j3tf4u3vfa9ku1risgj395f3snjjpw

[summer shore]

How well you actually can plan when u pick your lead is really important

[foggy lodge]

I got lucky with that dual wingbeat miss but it gave too much momentum

[bold geode]

I see

Yeah that makes sense

I feel like that applies a lot to VGC as well but I'm just not good at putting it into effect

[summer shore]

You should be able to identify your wincons from lead

And play accordingly to both preserve and facilitate the win

[bold geode]

Like lately for example I felt like I'd get mostly every turn correct but still lose cuz I didn't have enough resources to close out

That is fair

[summer shore]

People autopilot their team's wincon based off archetype a lot

But it should always be a game by game thing

Not a this every game thing

[summer shore]

Yeah getting things right aren't always important if they're on the wrong things

If that makes sense

Micro vs macro

[bold geode]

Yeah for sure

I think I'm very good at micro but horrible at macro, which is what I want to work on

[foggy lodge]

The biggest way to show is team preview

You can play every turn perfectly but if you picked the wrong mons from team preview then there's not much to do in the endgame

[bold geode]

Like I feel like I can read my opponent like a fucking bedtime story but like for example in one tournament I played recently I was struggling to really identify all of what I needed to do to win

[summer shore]

It shouldnt be that steep a learning curve if you just have good format knowledge

Like im always buns when i come back from break/not actively playing much

Because i just dont have a good enough meta read to play well

I'll still read your soul

But what good is that

[bold geode]

True

But yeah that's my struggle and tbh idk how I even went this long without working on that aspect

[summer shore]

You can get away with a LOT with good micro

It's just hard to break past a certain level with only micro

Because you'll just lose games too early and not be able to recover

Biggest thing to always do is just take time at lead

And always think about if your lead was optimal

Not whether you won the lead or not

[bold geode]

Yeah I think I hit the point recently with VGC where I hit that ceiling

Where I can't get away with just having good micro

That lead thing does make sense

1987 Horse Mode vs. HRjydie - Showdown! https://share.google/hbqQmgxWZeZc5ZbmX
Playing another game now if ya wanna watch

[summer shore]

@bold geode try play more balance teams

Am outside so can't watch

But offense leaning teams are a bit easier on micro

[bold geode]

I'm using a bulky offense rn but I did think about using balance

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2500555003
Here was the second game

My gameplan didn't work out the way I wanted to cuz I was actually tryna use Gholdengo after getting rid of the Landorus but I won and I adjusted probably decently hopefully

Also note to self: timer gets shorter if you take longer

[foggy lodge]

It's rough not having fake out calm mind turn 1 as usual💔

What I find hard of singles is actually the positioning

Well I think its the hardest thing about competitive Pokémon in general lol

But like getting into a bad position sometimes feels like it can snowball a lot

[mighty stump]

nerd

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[summer shore]

Wofu dofu

[rose stump]

yall still talk in here?

[solid frigate]

Hey Yotam

[bold geode]

Bro just popped in outta nowhere LOL

[waxen dock]

when you think about it

the south african regionals were just a bad idea

they were only good to south african players since they were far from the other countries and also south africa are the only ones that have locals so why did they need regionals now?

[solid frigate]

Because people can get free Championship points

[waxen dock]

yeah

they were free points for people from south africa and people that wanted easy 300 points

[lofty tartan]

Well free only if you're not considering entry fee, travel costs, or actually having to play the event.

[next stump]

What do you mean you don’t want to pay $3000 for a chance at points

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKh1Lh54Sk8

[molten oasis]

Yep

[foggy lodge]

Tree what do you think of Mega Chimecho

[rustic mountain]

stat wise it seems ok

issue is u have to use base chimecho b4 mega evolving

i think its ability will be a big difference maker if it becomes niche vs nonexistent

[rustic mountain]

as in u agree w/ the picks?

[molten oasis]

Yep

[rustic mountain]

r u just only saying yep

[molten oasis]

Yep

[rustic mountain]

zacian sucks

[molten oasis]

Nice try

[rustic mountain]

lmao

got u to stop saying yep

[molten oasis]

anyway yeah his picks are right

Heatran is, nuts

I think crab gonna go crazy on tr, Delphox will be good if it doesn’t get levitate

[rustic mountain]

heatran seems like itll b very good

[molten oasis]

Uhm, what else, oh excadrill just seems crazy

[rustic mountain]

exca i think is the biggest winner

[molten oasis]

Yea

[rustic mountain]

barring it getting a terrible ability

[molten oasis]

What would hinder it?

[rustic mountain]

idk

[molten oasis]

Guy will likely be fine

[rustic mountain]

sand rush is good

[molten oasis]

Unless it gets like, truant lol

[rustic mountain]

if ur gna mega u want ur ability to not be bad

[molten oasis]

True

[rustic mountain]

thatd b such a troll

[molten oasis]

True

[rustic mountain]

but i think thats 1 it wont get luckily

[molten oasis]

It would be so mean

[rustic mountain]

he also had mega lucario z on the list

which like, idk that 1 i am a bit reluctant on overall tho it did get a buff

[molten oasis]

Hmmmm

Yeah, like, maybe I think it’s the best of the 3 personally

[foggy lodge]

I hope it gets something useful outside of sand rush

[molten oasis]

But I think bax looks cool

[foggy lodge]

I want it to be playable on another archetype that isn't sand

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Absol will have the “outspeed ohko calyrex” niche

[rustic mountain]

even then it wont be good

[molten oasis]

Yuh

[rustic mountain]

too frail

[foggy lodge]

Just use a Chien-Pao

[molten oasis]

65/60/60 is so bad

[rustic mountain]

i just swap in incin then ko u and ur megas gone and i still have csr

[molten oasis]

And it sucks into incin yea

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Unless crazy ability its also vulnerable to intimidate

[molten oasis]

Garchomp imo is the worst of the three

[foggy lodge]

And weak to incin and frail

[molten oasis]

I just don’t understand why they made it pure dragon

[foggy lodge]

And gets walled by Incin

Am I just describing Chien Pao

[rustic mountain]

oh u mean new z megas im like tf is talkin bout best and worst of the 3

[molten oasis]

Yes lmfao

[molten oasis]

Oh not all of them just the z’s

[foggy lodge]

Well tbh Chien-Pao has a way better ability and coverage

And can run another item like sash

[rustic mountain]

yeh i said z mega

[molten oasis]

Ice coverage is just kinda broken

And it gets sacred sword too

[rustic mountain]

yep

sucks too cuz i do like absol

its been on my lza playthru team

[foggy lodge]

Oh shit Absol doesn't live a surging strikes LMAO

[rustic mountain]

hell no

[molten oasis]

I’m hopeful for the Lucario mega but

[rustic mountain]

at what cost

[molten oasis]

I’m eyeing bax, Delphox and heatran mostly

[rustic mountain]

chomp and absol z megas suck asscheeks

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

You’re right

Lucario has arguably the most potential

[rustic mountain]

yeh

[molten oasis]

Like it’s not bulky but it’s typing is good defensively

[rustic mountain]

its the only one w/ potential

[molten oasis]

So it might take a hit or two

I’m not sure how I feel about the other megas tho

[rustic mountain]

lemme run special chomp z mega ok now lemme mega and lose stab on my earth power

[molten oasis]

Chimecho and uh

[rustic mountain]

golisopod

[foggy lodge]

And it doesn't even have spread

[molten oasis]

Uhm, the cat, the one that evolves from espurr

[rustic mountain]

golurk

staraptor

[foggy lodge]

Old mega chomp could atleast relatively strong EQ

[rustic mountain]

raichus

[molten oasis]

I feel like they’re just, worse off cuz Delphox exists

[foggy lodge]

Tf is mega chomp z doing dragon pulse?

[molten oasis]

One Draco, dies, gg shake my hand

[rustic mountain]

mega meowstic sucks

[molten oasis]

Meowstic yeah

[foggy lodge]

Yeah Delphox just better

[molten oasis]

Well like, they made Delphox

[foggy lodge]

Pure psychic is not it

[molten oasis]

Neither are gonna do better than Delphox

[rustic mountain]

delphox might not even be good

[molten oasis]

If they decide to give it levitate

[foggy lodge]

xd

[rustic mountain]

ew

cool mega design tho

[molten oasis]

Alakazam is trash

But it’s cool

Isn’t its physical defense like 50/40

[foggy lodge]

Delphox is atleast viable as long as you don't give it levitate

The only thing it needs

[rustic mountain]

even boyt ran xerndon wat a shit format

[molten oasis]

True

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

Fr

[molten oasis]

Uhm, hm

Golispod is such an interesting case

[foggy lodge]

Also apparently

Mega Starmie doesn't OHKO Incin at -1 lmao

[molten oasis]

Cuz it loses water but MAYBE it doesn’t keep emergency exit

And franky those stats are pretty crazy

[molten oasis]

It’s incin what did you expect

[foggy lodge]

But it's a huge power mon with stab💔

Mega Starmie needs wave crash asap

[molten oasis]

L+Ratio+intimidate

Hm

Mythicals won’t get played so idc about them

[real prairie]

I cant afford it now, so im taking the whole year off unless i manage a late European regional 😭

[graceful flare]

How do I fix my team?

It's bad I can't win

I remember someone said to use AV Incin but then what will Raging Bolt use or will I swap it?

[rustic mountain]

these were the 2 best performing csr korai teams at worlds las szn, #2 and #8
https://pokepast.es/9991bf183cd2abe1
https://pokepast.es/0b7c567d8239cea0

outside that its understanding how the team works in the meta how each piece is designated to serve a specific function and then utilizing those resources effectively. u can have the tools but if u lack understanding of game mechanics or general gist of micro and marco ur not gna be able to convert to wins

micro being more immediate plays (ones that resolve within a turn) vs macro which is thinking 2+ turns ahead on how u get to the board states where u gain momentum nd eventually put urself in a position to either capitalize or win

[foggy lodge]

I remember when I was good at macro and then I just forgot LOL

[forest arrow]

God I love James's Team

[dense latch]

reg f destroyed whatever skill i had at this game

macro feels so much harder to me too

[rustic mountain]

its a cool team

[foggy lodge]

Fr

Also I was talking in the VGC room in showdown

And lowkey I feel like going from a tera game to a non tera game can completely change how you play and make it harder to learn

[dense latch]

for me it was the other way around

i remembered some stuff from when i played vgc in swsh but tera was pretty hard to get used to

[bold geode]

You were good at that? Damn can't relate

[foggy lodge]

I think I was decent

Also to adapt between games

In reg G for the arubega mirai MU I would like switch between 4 mons and sometimes play around tera electric tclap raging to clean up the whole game and pull it consistently

[dense latch]

can’t relate

if my gameplan worked im keeping it
if it didn’t i’ll just make it work

[rustic mountain]

[summer shore]

Mongy

[bold geode]

Shirgo

[summer shore]

How be the ou adventures

[graceful flare]

What to take out? Or add?

[bold geode]

Done 4 games so far, went 3-1 and I actually lost to micro in that loss but I'm enjoying it

[hollow echo]

yo

https://pokepast.es/18577752b38b942b

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2502136520

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/4EvB7diQ5Xg?si=4wGvtXOf4txTXPV0

[summer shore]

Not long til you convert full time now

[bold geode]

Banger

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/call-me-carson-carson-crying-carson-crying-minecraft-gif-15042578

[stone trellis]

I've fallen off really hard recently.

I lost to CSR-Arceus (the third biggest asswipe of an MU) and they didn't even have to bring CSR.

That Tera Fire Flare Blitz burning my Ice Rider probably made the game 20 times harder to win.

[lost sun]

do we know what the next reg is

[next stump]

Regulation F until March 31st

after which, probably Pokemon Champions

[lost sun]

thx

[rustic mountain]

nah well get champions 2 weeks b4 worlds

players thought a month was shit for reg d, try 14 days

[molten oasis]

Oh right

Man that format was ass lmao

[molten oasis]

Don’t do it monke

[foggy lodge]

70% of players regretting the mega evolution they chose

Mega Kangaskhan will win worlds 2026

[molten oasis]

Yea cuz it’s Kang

[bold geode]

Did it really only have a month?

Felt longer

[molten oasis]

It only had a month

But that format sucked so it probably felt longer.

[bold geode]

I liked that format, but I do agree the timing was awful

Crazy that right before Worlds they switch it to a natdex format

[molten oasis]

Tornshifu domination

Idk it wasn’t great

[bold geode]

Yeah it really did dominate
Not the best format but it wasn't the worst at least imo

Worst for people competing in Worlds tho

[molten oasis]

100%

What’s the worst for you then?

[bold geode]

Cuz switching to a natdex like that is absurd

[rustic mountain]

eh for early format, players adapted by worlds

[molten oasis]

I swear tornshifu dominated most of that format

[rustic mountain]

it wasnt as bad a format as ppl remember

[bold geode]

Also I will say
I wouldn't be surprised if in the future in Champions we had more formats like Reg H

[molten oasis]

You really had like, what hands for counterplay?

And rilla somewhat

Amoonguss

[bold geode]

Rilla wasn't good that format imo

[molten oasis]

Your own torn

[bold geode]

Like people used it but you just had better picks

[molten oasis]

Or playing cress Ursa or PayPal

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Psyspam*

[bold geode]

Rillaboom without Grassy Glide felt naked

Brother how tf did you even

[molten oasis]

Idfk

[bold geode]

Ah yes
I hate it when I have to fight Hard TR PayPal

[rustic mountain]

https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2023/worlds
mainly cuz it still had presence. it existed in top cut but nowhere near level of domination

[bold geode]

Then they pull out the secret tech and I find out it's Weak Armor Weakness Policy PayPal

[molten oasis]

Oh

That was a big paonite format

Heatran was a real Mon, lando t too

Flutter ofc

[rustic mountain]

wouldnt say a big paonite format it wasnt that good

[bold geode]

Yeah the Home mons dominated

[bold geode]

Nah it was very good for a big chunk of it

[molten oasis]

I remember like, paonite, tornshifu, and cress Ursa

[rustic mountain]

show me wen it was good

[bold geode]

Mainly cuz people just for some reason took way too long to figure out how to deal with prio spam

[rustic mountain]

for a long duration

[molten oasis]

Oh monke maybe that was reg c

Reg c was its birth lol

[rustic mountain]

reg c sure not reg d

[bold geode]

Reg D-F was the formats where like no matter what, at the start of the format people just forgot how to play against prio spam

[rustic mountain]

even reg c it was short lived

[molten oasis]

Yk the formats mid when you don’t remember half of what was good lol

[bold geode]

Paonite Ursh Torn Hands Flutter

That was the team that you saw fucking everywhere up until Worlds

[molten oasis]

Oh true

Oh yk what I was in Japan during that format

And then like barely played said format

Idk reg d being gone is good

Tho, what’s the worst SV format then

E was pretty forgettable but idt it was bad

[rustic mountain]

i think we are just misremembering formats but w/e lol

[bold geode]

I remember the team very well cuz for some reason every motherfucker on the SD ladder for some reason could not comprehend how to play around a Farigiraf

[rustic mountain]

and by we i mean i think u guys are

[molten oasis]

Ig

[bold geode]

I know the team

[molten oasis]

I and H 2 sucked

[bold geode]

Hold on lemme

[molten oasis]

Reg g 2 was pretty meh

[bold geode]

Where the hell is the repository

[molten oasis]

B was fine, I personally didn’t like A

[rustic mountain]

i agree ppl forgot to play vs prio spam but u said it was good for a very chunk of the format to whereas it really was just like the first cppl weeks of the format

[molten oasis]

Fair

[rustic mountain]

and sure it stuck around u saw it on 2-2-2 but like it wasnt consistent performing super well

[molten oasis]

2-2-2 is not popular at all

[rustic mountain]

i think it had more of a moment in reg c vs reg d

[molten oasis]

I thought it would be but it’s not (which is good I hate that shit)

[rustic mountain]

and maybe im wrong too but i really dont remember it having much of a place outside a few times here and there

[molten oasis]

Maybe maybe not

[rustic mountain]

u been playin lza at all?

[molten oasis]

I haven’t played the dlc no

[rustic mountain]

ahh

[molten oasis]

Or online but I played the normal game

[rustic mountain]

its pretty fun

[molten oasis]

I need to get around to it I’ve just been busy

[rustic mountain]

onlines ok, ive been doin ranked moreso wen lza first dropped but ive been hitting rank a every season

[molten oasis]

Nice, I’ve been tempted but

As cool as the new megas are they’ll make the megas accessible for vgc

[rustic mountain]

no legends rn

[molten oasis]

So I haven’t bothered

[rustic mountain]

cool to play mons in a different way

have others that wont b good in vgc have shine in lza comp

[molten oasis]

And I have shinies of what I want so I’ll probably just play it when it get around to it

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/3e9f093035d07e12
@rustic mountain This team right here
Wolfe even has a video up using it

[molten oasis]

The battle style’s cool don’t get me wrong I’m just not that interested

[rustic mountain]

im goin for shiny alphas on comp mons, just got lampent and haunter before

gotten quite a few others, still have a decent amount left

[molten oasis]

Aww I could get shaplhas I didn’t think about that

[bold geode]

Also I forgot people tried to use Articuno and Abomasnow

[molten oasis]

Shaplha Delphox or dnite could go crazy

[rustic mountain]

dlc shiny alphas are a lot easier

same w/ apris, a lot easier to get

[molten oasis]

Huge

Yo shaplha bax

[bold geode]

Honestly when the fuck did

[molten oasis]

Aww but then i have to grind battles that sounds annoying

[rustic mountain]

yea i remember the team, idt it had much consistency w/ results tho

[rustic mountain]

wdym

if u get dlc u dont need 1000 battles for charm

i did however do the 1000 battles cuz i did not know that nor wanted to wait 2 months

[solid frigate]

I’m probably not getting DLC for now but I like the Concept of this DLC

[rustic mountain]

its solid

[solid frigate]

It reminds me a lot of like Gen 7 Ultra Wormhole but more refined

[rustic mountain]

i didnt play gen 7 but from wat ive seen, yea

[molten oasis]

REALLY?!

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[molten oasis]

Battles are fun but, 1000’s so much

[rustic mountain]

yea i agree but i did it anyway

[molten oasis]

Based, but I also wasn’t super into it

[bold geode]

Ok so Reg D on the SD ladder was in June but the format started in ranked on July
Okay I see

[molten oasis]

Like I completed dex and went “fun experience, time to move on”

[solid frigate]

Yeah 1000 is like

If you average out 25-30 battles per night in lumiose

That’s still too many lol

[bold geode]

You saw it a lot though which is where I was getting at
Idr all the results it got but

Hell it was at like every point of the SD ladder at least

[molten oasis]

Idt I was watching regionals during reg d

[bold geode]

There was Worlds and Pittsburgh really

Unless there was an EU regional for the format

[molten oasis]

Oh right cuz they stop for a while

Or it’s like, they have 3 total for July- early September

[bold geode]

It was just a bad timed format
I think the format would've been fine if not for that

[molten oasis]

We’re almost free from urshifu and incin (maybe) tho

Just a few months away

Tho I like shifu its a fun Mon

[bold geode]

I like Incineroar

[molten oasis]

I want a break from incin lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-incineroar-pokemon-gif-15005636

Giving you the break

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/incinpkmn/status/2001764857767506256?s=46

Incineroar (@IncinPkmn)

X · Dec 18, 2025, 9:21 PM

Where is the Helping Hand

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Well it would have been SV but

Helping hand wasn’t nearly as impactful as parting shot

[rustic mountain]

for me seeing it a bunch vs it actual doin well are a bit different

[rustic mountain]

not that this would ever happen but ud make it even worse for wat moves ud wanna fit onnit, its hard enough as is

[dense latch]

i'm pretty sure incin lost access to knock off in gen 8 then they gave it back to it in SV which is kinda crazy

[molten oasis]

They’ve nerfed incin so much and it’s still the #1 pokemon

[rustic mountain]

cant nerf the goat

greatness always shines thru

[molten oasis]

Fr

[rustic mountain]

been a bit since ive played reg f realized i was out of the top 500, boot up some games, 2 of the first 3 were vs donbozo

[molten oasis]

That sucks

[rustic mountain]

won all 3 im back up there but i was like bruh

[molten oasis]

Was it dozo weezing or 2-2-2 stuff?

[rustic mountain]

first was dozo weezing

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2502434306-j2pyt21ofvlscs0667y3yjdwqotylj5pw

then this

then some torn giraffe hybrid team 3rd

specs flutter lando bolt shifu

[molten oasis]

Why’d he forfeit? Lmao

[rustic mountain]

had to rely on a flinch that game

idk but better off they did i was boutta put them in a fake out vortex

[molten oasis]

Yeah, it’s dozo that’s what you do lol

[molten oasis]

Wack

[rustic mountain]

that 1 i couldve played better

but eh w/e went for my wincon and got it

[molten oasis]

That’s good

I haven’t played much recently

Last thing I noticed was that the HO flutter fish Glimmora team is, really annoying

[rustic mountain]

ive mostly been doin lza wen ive done anything pokemon so me either

but like mixing it back in

[molten oasis]

Nice

[rustic mountain]

that team is a double edged sword

chi yu flutter glimm

[molten oasis]

How so?

[rustic mountain]

so many inaccurate moves

[molten oasis]

Oh, yeah fs

Thx chi yu lol

Glimm too

[rustic mountain]

bleakwind on torn, heat wave overheat chi yu meteor beam glimm

if u run icy wind on flutter that too

[molten oasis]

Snarl as well

[rustic mountain]

right

[molten oasis]

My Draco’s have a 50% hit rate this format

Bolt hits it when it feels like it it drives me nuts

[rustic mountain]

its good but its risky, its a team u have to really know where ur spots are and knowing ur gna have those games slip outta ur hands cuz of rng

[molten oasis]

Fs

I saw a flamethrower chi yu the other day that was funny

He lost cuz he needed spread

And clicked flamethrower

[rustic mountain]

me running pulse:

[molten oasis]

And moonblast or smth

[molten oasis]

You’re on cm tho, I’m on av

[rustic mountain]

yea avs cool but cm is

[molten oasis]

Currently doing uh

Shifu hearth pao bolt incin and lando

[rustic mountain]

eh pretty similar mons to me

[molten oasis]

Just offense with incin hearth and bolt being more ‘supportive’

[rustic mountain]

basically just have rilla over hearthflame

[molten oasis]

Differing sets but yeah

Well, it’s probably just bolt

[rustic mountain]

mine are better

jkin lmao

[molten oasis]

Bruh lmao

I don’t like calm mind bolt but I know why it’s so strong

Fckn raid boss ah Mon

[foggy lodge]

I used Zachary Weed's team and then I stopped playing SV

[molten oasis]

Max is so done with sv vgc

[foggy lodge]

Fr

I'm just stalling till champions comes

[molten oasis]

Valid

[dense latch]

im using what yuta ishigaki played in the big limitless tour

im still not having fun with reg f though

[bold geode]

I have fought like 2 in the past 3 weeks

Maybe 3

[foggy lodge]

What is it

[dense latch]

i swear it's always no dozos for like 30 games then you get 3 in a row

[foggy lodge]

Regidrago gaming?

[bold geode]

I rarely get that MU and honestly I wish I got the Dozo MU more

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/7e8e5cd0473da304

[dense latch]

that's naoto i think the no speed control regidrago team
mdb used it today

[foggy lodge]

Prio spam huh

[foggy lodge]

Did he like it

I think I saw like 5 minutes from him and just from his stare I felt a "this team is terrible" energy

[dense latch]

he hated it

i doubt he actually said that i dont quite remember but he was not having fun lol

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I also don't really like it

[dense latch]

yea i dont get it at all

[foggy lodge]

I feel like you need prio tw idk

I get basically the 5 mons except Drago

[rustic mountain]

lmao lucky me

[rustic mountain]

p much

donbozo generally freelo anyway so idc its just annoying

[hollow echo]

yo

https://pokepast.es/89e3ae622f75c4c0

[solemn flicker]

Damn, I suck at this lol

[next stump]

congrats 🙂

[leaden comet]

does tatsugiri form matter? i read that it increases a stat based on the form but whenever i watch vgc i see dondozo getting boost to several stats

maybe im tripping

[real prairie]

it doesn't effect commander, it effects "Order Up"

[foggy lodge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/jzJos72uCYM?si=NRU4iwrX_017cotK

[bold geode]

So the multiple stats you see is from the ability Commander which gives Dondozo +2 to all its stats when they merge
The move Order Up though changes depending on what Tatsugiri is in Dondozo's mouth

I forget what all the forms are called but there's one for attack, defense and speed

[foggy lodge]

Curly is attack, droopy is defense and stretchy is speed

[bold geode]

Ok see I couldn't match the names with the colors

[foggy lodge]

Orange = attack
Pink = defense
Yellow = speed

[bold geode]

I always went off the colors when knowing the boosts

[solemn flicker]

Thank you man. Im probably not on par with other tournament-caliber players but I try.

[gentle crag]

lugiahunter7 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/MKP_WXWa_0Q?si=_lsfO8m-LZSgIFoC

[stone trellis]

If you ever want help with laddering in Reg J, I'm here.

[solemn flicker]

Thanks man.

[gentle crag]

lugiahunter7 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[dense latch]

i seriously can’t wait any longer for champions I need to see the new mega abilities and if these changes actually stick

[next stump]

a new trailer would hit so hard

[foggy lodge]

The new trailer is going to be in the Pokémon Day and I hate that so much

We still don't really know too much about it

[hollow echo]

yo

[solid frigate]

Bro’s gone

[lost sun]

ttar would be good for reg f right

[next stump]

Not really, Urshifu-R is everywhere

It’s useable but not good

[stone trellis]

Like Dozo if it was good

[molten oasis]

lol

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2503375833-kjilgyufyf498grd28eeex7wo4a57kapw

[vernal shadow]

Does a max speed korroidon with +1 speed lose to a max speed koroidon with a speend nature ? Thats what just happened to me

On a lose streak today and it feels terrible XD

First was to a miss on meteor beam and a 3 turn freeze

[next stump]

No but they could be choice scarf

[vernal shadow]

I thouth they had used multiple moves but u could be right. Did use a lot of u-turn

Endeavor sash whimsi is so funny to use and nobody expects it. So many bulky restricteds taken out by it bc people think whisi isnt a threat

[nocturne holly]

Do u guys remember Palafin balance and reg c and d

[stone trellis]

That's what you get for using that piece of shit move.

[vernal shadow]

Lunala with herb and also you dont expect to miss that and also get frozen same turn with the only ice move that hit you

[stone trellis]

Use the chad bulky Tera Fairy Lunala instead of the virgin "Oh no MB missed the Ice Rider now he launched a Glacial Lance and took out Miraidon" Lunala.

[vernal shadow]

Ice rider isnt an issue at all

[stone trellis]

I always expect to miss everything that lacks an accuracy of 100.

I've missed High Horsepower twice in a row, you don't know the depths of bullshit RNG.

[vernal shadow]

I didnt realise it wasnt. I rarely missed. The miss wouldnt have mattered either if i didnt have the 3 turn freeze

Just both together kinda crippled me considering what i was fighting

[stone trellis]

You play Reg J, right?

I kinda want to practice my KoraiNala MU, not gonna lie.

[vernal shadow]

2 turn freeze wouldve been playable bc the opponent underestimated whimsi but i lost bc it was 3 turns sadly

[stone trellis]

It's a relevant enough duo that I need a strong plan against.

[vernal shadow]

I didnt push last season and have been dumped back to pokeball and have been unlucky. I was steam rolling up to ultra last i played but meh

[stone trellis]

Don't you play on Showdown at all?

[vernal shadow]

I did a bit. There i was last on like an 8 win streak with the same team up to i think 1230 or something

Then i played in game and bowled my way up. Took a brake due to work and uni. New season and i cant do jack XD

[stone trellis]

I'll help you learn.

[vernal shadow]

Ive done a bit more singles due to a minecraft server where ive been doing fairly well despite my unconventional team. There are some proper sweaty players there

[stone trellis]

I'm a sweat and a half, trust me.

[solid frigate]

We don’t have Reg C and D rn

It’s reg F and Reg I-J

[vernal shadow]

Wish we could just play what they are using for official tourneys. Be so much easier to masterball the pokemon i want to use

Is it F ?

[stone trellis]

Showdown has F.

[vernal shadow]

Yes but that doesnt let me masterball though does it

[stone trellis]

In-game ladder has J and will soon switch to I.

[vernal shadow]

Isnt I literally just J but without mythics ?

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it's just J but without all the Arceus-Mirai and ClankerApe freelo.

Anyway, what you could do is trade me the Pokemon and have me make a team with each so I can win in Master Ball with them and then trade them back to you.

[vernal shadow]

Ill have the same issue but i wouldnt have to play around E speed arceus i guess. I hate restricted formats. I just dont like using restricteds. My favourite is probably palkia but it kinda struggles

[vernal shadow]

I kinda want to do it. The achievement for each ribbon so far has been so rewarding. Battle tower and the shows in bdsp were the top ones so far

[solid frigate]

Honestly Both F and I is easier to use niche picks if you really care of bad Pokémon doing good

[vernal shadow]

F is what id like to play.

[solid frigate]

Good luck building around Bolt Balance Crown Psyspam and Wolfe’s Orlando Team

[vernal shadow]

Specs Gardi has been great tho bc everyone expects scarf and generally focus bigger threats, only to be hit stupid hard. Its just not the most helful when im not great at vgc and theres restricteds everywhere 😂 . Endeavor whimsi has been nice just for cheasing stuff like kyogre and zamazenta

But im determined and i did get better when i played a lot.

One thing i am having issue with is that i could probably win a lot in heinsight but i often just bring the wrong pokemon

[stone trellis]

Wanna play a game on Showdown?

I swear I won't beat your ass, I'm washed after the 2-week break I took.

[vernal shadow]

Im kinda not wanting to play anymore rn. Just got off.

[vernal shadow]

You will im well over a month washed. Hence my issues rn

Like all my learning gone while trying to hand in projects and stuff

[stone trellis]

Listen, you could try using a different team.

What's your username on Showdown?

[vernal shadow]

Training is a pain. Ive been using a tw,tr team like u saw before. Im just crap at picking what i need

Biggest issues rn is double fake out with rilla and incin and then some redirection pokemon support. Ive started getting good at one shotting some but often ill lose a pokemon and usually its koroidon dealing with it. Caly S is the worst one and kyogre is also a problem. Any fakeout setups with mirraidon is probably the worst bit tho. Vgc feels insanely heavy on prediction, at least online. Like you have to guess what the opponent brings first off since you dont bring 6 and then you can lose off a random terra or a protect. I get its learning but it does feel bad losing in such a way sometimes😅

Arceus has kinda disappeared for me. Just nobody using it which is nice

Well at least recently in queues. When did it reset anyway and when is next reset ?

[stone trellis]

Next reset is on January 5th, I think.

And also, you can try using a different team.

@vernal shadow What do you want a team to do when building it?

How do you want to win battles?

[vernal shadow]

I tried gardi psyspam but id need better speed control and incin often kills it. I just want gardi to be usable when coming in for damage and not support but it ofc needs a lot of help. Ive been using the koroidon lunala setup for a while and koroidon and whismi lead with gardi and lunala in back does work fairly often but starts to fall off hire up and struggles agains double fake out even when i predict correctly and also struggles against spead moves since i often lack the power to kill instantly and take way to much damage in that turn. Wide guard is great but i either dont have lunala out and struggle to get it in due to things like caly S or struggle to hit the problem pokemon because of redirection. Its usually just failing to predict. I almost always lose on the spot bringing my back bench probable bc i dont use them enough to undertsnad how to make the most use out of them. Also whimsicott does so much work but indeedee stands on its toes a bit by blocking taunt and things

[stone trellis]

I didn't ask for that, but aight.

I am asking what the goal of your teams are when you make them.

Are they centered around enabling one or two key offensive pieces? Do they aim to always control the pace of the game or maximise annoyance on the other player's end?, etc.

[vernal shadow]

Enable gardevoir to somehow compete with restricted poks like i said. Tw is usually good and the damage with specs is great but it then lacks utility and being frain kinda makes it a sitting duck

[thorny widget]

Literally me

[stone trellis]

The first problem is limiting yourself to using Gardevoir.

As a certifiably cracked restricted format player, I can tell you that the best thing you can do in these formats is trying to use different Pokemon.

Experimenting with things that are outside your comfort zone is great because it often changes how you view and approach the meta.

[vernal shadow]

Literally the entire point of what im aiming for. The only reason im pushing now hence wanting reg F to cycle which ofc it wont. Im going to stay stubborn on that one piece

[stone trellis]

And you might also find some Pokemon that you really like to use.

Different Pokemon from what you normally use, not what the entire rest of the format normally uses.

[vernal shadow]

Youre missing the point.

Im aiming for the ranked ribbon on it. Most of my team is stuff i dont usually use. Its gotta get its own ribbon. Playing top teams i could probably do decent.

4/6 i dont use on any teams out of choice

[stone trellis]

Give me the Gardevoir and your team idea.

I am already placed at Master Ball tier, I will be able to get at least one win.

And don't use any of those stupid "but I want to get it myself" excuses because they aren't going to work.

You want to get a ribbon on a shitty Pokemon, then you might as well use every feasible means to get that ribbon.

[vernal shadow]

I'm going to do it myself. I've played the team on showdown Vs you and I beat you a couple of times. I'm incredibly out of practice, wasn't the best anyways and on a loss streak rn. In fact, most of my team was your suggestion and your EV spreads so it's not like I'm using nothing but useless Pokémon and not taking on board anything

I haven't had the time and when I'm nearing the end the season swaps due to lack of time. It'll probably be easier if I just wait for J to end I think

Lots less to deal with and I'd imagine more narrow team selections ?

Probably not the best either trying to do something that can make you annoyed while dealing with animal loss either. Terrible idea on my part

I'm sorry and imma dip to go eat some stuff and chill out. I'll try picking it back up another time

[thorny widget]

Honestly, cringe

[stone trellis]

You mean SM's rant?

[vernal shadow]

Ye it was pretty cringe.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2503489199-ki0ana9mgsyrc3kt0nkaqh7grtciggxpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2503491646-9mhpdmfikiypklbnh18winw1nshjbnppw

[vernal shadow]

Right I concede. Any good rental teams people recommend?

[stone trellis]

I have one.

Let me fetch the rental code real quick.

Use code TM8569.

It's the code for the old version of a team I made, but since I can't remember the code for the new version, you'll have to do with the old one for a bit.

[vernal shadow]

What is the comp ? Not at my switch rn. Gonna drop into notes

[gentle crag]

skywarsveteran1607 (ID 856574176398802986)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: PTFK (Protect the Frozen King)
Format: VGC Regulation J
Code: TM8569
Team paste: https://pokepast.es/6862dcff3cd5cb18
Notes: Landorus and Whimsicott aren't actually 0 Attack on the rental team, but Ice Rider is 0 Speed.
CIR: This set is a bit of a mix between the bulk of Leech Seed Lefties sets and the offense of Clear Amulet sets. Due to its access to Coaching, I chose to give it as much Attack as I had after I made sure to make it bulky enough to live a Tera Ghost-boosted Astral Barrage or an Earth Power from 196 Modest Life Orb Landorus after it's Terastallised to Fire.
Miraidon: Assault Vest helps with the team's more bulky playstyle while also allowing Miraidon to be more flexible with its moves. Snarl weakens special attackers while also doing really good damage to things like CSR and Lunala. Also, Discharge offers a good secondary Electric move that also has the nice secondary effect of potentially paralysing its targets while not forcing me to switch Miraidon out.
Iron Valiant: Focus Sash keeps it alive for as long as it needs. Spirit Break does the same thing as Snarl, Feint helps break Wide Guard or Protect on crucial turns, Coaching makes Ice Rider nearly unbreakable and unwallable and Wide Guard keeps my team safe from spread moves.
Ogerpon: Hearthflame seems to be my signature Pokemon. I used a standard set that allows it to OHKO 236 Impish Zamazenta after Terastallizing, but I replaced Wood Hammer with Horn Leech because I feel like the recovery could clutch a game.
Landorus: Again, a very standard set. This is calced to live -1 Specs Modest Draco Meteor 81,25% of the time while also threatening no bulk Urshifu with an OHKO from Earth Power.
Whimsicott: Again a very standard build, but this one has the difference of lacking 1 HP in exchange for one extra point in its Speed. Helping Hand also helps boost my team's damage output further.

Command triggered by skywarsveteran1607. Message from · Sep 24, 2025, 3:38 PM

[stone trellis]

I also have a half unfinished calc sheet for the team that I need to update.

[vernal shadow]

I haven't used half of them so I'm unsure on how it use it. Weirdly, besides ogerpon, I find this sorta team fairly doable to beat. Calc sheet regardless of how finished would be helpful

[stone trellis]

Calcs in bold are for the damage that the team's own members do, while everything else is the damage that the team's members can take.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cSnFDLH8cWEpWk-ZLy6ijCAiKQihH_Err3feT3Y6TME/edit?usp=sharing

God, this is still using max HP Miraidon...

[bold geode]

The fuck did I walk into

[stone trellis]

The result of 3+ months of an idiot making the most out of a mediocre team.

[vernal shadow]

Thanks for that. No need to be an ass about it

[gentle crag]

seamagician703 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[vernal shadow]

lol

[stone trellis]

I was talking about my own team.

PTFK is utterly mid, I'm just so cracked with it that it seems good.

[bold geode]

Can you not make comments like this plz, I'm reading

[vernal shadow]

Long and short of it is I had a cop out at a loss streak and cried about it like a child with my terrible team 😅

[bold geode]

@vernal shadow imma be real honest here
Gardevoir ain't it
I get that you want to make something you like work, I get it
But the thing is that everything has its limits and especially in a restricted format, if you're gonna use a Pokemon with little to no usage, it has to have a valuable enough niche which Gardevoir doesn't have
Now if you wanna get a ribbon, yeah the best advice I can give you is to slap it on a team with 5 other good mons
I know it sucks, I know it's a cop out but the thing is like
If you're wanting to make that truly work, you're gonna have to accept you will probably more likely lose more than you'll win
Sucks but that's just how it is

Like if you wanna do it
Fine you do you, but there has to be that understanding

[vernal shadow]

Ik. Im just doing worse this time back in due to lack of practice. Im probably gonna either use the team linked up top to bump to masterball where i can relax more since id have to just win once or wait till the next format since id have less stuff to worry about

If only i could mega it

[stone trellis]

I will also teach you the tech for every relevant matchup.

[bold geode]

@stone trellis as for you
I think you need to watch how you word things a bit better. Sometimes on the Internet it's harder to understand tones and sometimes you can come off a bit more dickish than you may intend to
Happens to everyone, just be careful

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[vernal shadow]

My biggest thing that did snap me just before i just left it for a bit was just the gripe with the team when you built it and i was like "WTF" 😂

[stone trellis]

The team is only "bad" because Gardevoir's weighing it down.

[vernal shadow]

As for this im fully aware. It doesnt do enough damage without specs, it doesnt have enough speed without scarf. Its main thing is how many moves it can have but its forced into a choice item which kinda removes that. Its too frail physically. Its special is workable but honestly not great. I fully get it. Shame that reg I is likely the last one. I wish i had caught it when i had my reg G team ready for it. It was usable there and i was doing quite well on showdown with it
Id also like to apologise for my outburst earlier

[vernal shadow]

I think its me not knowing how to use ursaluna and also having 2 mons that actively stop eachother functioning. I have 6 mons but only "know" (I use that lightly) how to use 4 to a decent standard. Ik what ursaluna can take. I have no faith swapping it in or attacking/defending with it as a result

like when u use soemthing new, you dont know what it can do. It took me a while with lunala but its a legendary so i felt a bit more confident launching it into bs.

But either way, just gonna use a carry team and then swap once i cant go back down i think

Probably the least stressful way of doing it. It'll basically be more casual too once in masterball since i dont care about my placement

[stone trellis]

Good luck.

If you ever need any help with any matchup, DM me.

[solid frigate]

@next stump I think I just thought your alt lol

Did you see the flutter named Ankh?

[next stump]

Yes hahaha GG 🙂

[solid frigate]

idk why your Flutter is slower than mine

Mine is like already slower than normal ones lol

[dense latch]

bold flutter has been kinda cooking recently

it lives some stuff it should never be tanking

[solid frigate]

I kinda just run the set I used during Regional run

Although replaced Shadow Ball with Taunt cuz not a lot of Ghost types I have to deal with

[dense latch]

i’ve been running no tect flutter in favor of twave taunt icy wind

it was on the original team i found and i kinda doubted how good it’d be but twave is so good on it

[solid frigate]

It feels so wrong that flutter doesn’t have Moonblast in that set

[dense latch]

o i do lol i forgot to put it there

it’s moonblast + those three moves

[solid frigate]

I kinda just defaulted into Flutter using protect

[dense latch]

i prob should’ve said no protect instead of no tect in the other message

i still don’t know how much i like no protect but the other moves feel so good

[foggy lodge]

No protect flutter is based

[dense latch]

why protect when you just live everything

a flutter mane should not be surviving tera water surging strikes but it does

[foggy lodge]

Tf lmao

[dense latch]

156+ Atk Tera-Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 138-168 (85.1 - 103.7%) -- 3.83% chance to OHKO

116+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 236+ Def Flutter Mane in Grassy Terrain: 135-160 (83.3 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

this one is crazy too

[bold geode]

That is way too much investment

[dense latch]

it’s just a spread i saw mdb using for a few teams in his recreations including the team i’m trying out rn

i’m not saying just because he’s using it, it means it’s the best spread or a great one by any means, but it’s been fun in the context of the team

[bold geode]

Ok so I just looked
I hated cuz I didn't know that you still got the speed boost LOL

[dense latch]

ohhh lmaoo
with 12 speed you still get the jump on max gouging fire iirc

[bold geode]

That's insane

[stone trellis]

No, you tie.

12 Speed EV Flutter Mane hits 157 Speed, the exact same as max Speed Jolly Gouging Fire.

[dense latch]

oh yeah you’re right

[stone trellis]

As per lol

[dense latch]

i hope i do have 20 evs on my builder and just forgot the exact number

yea i did have 20

still not that much invest at all

[stone trellis]

And you get the jump on glass cannon Arch (without sun) as well as Scarf Annihilape when you're inside sun.

Flutter's stats are great.

But imagine if it had 20 more Defense.

That would be a 26% difference in Defense without any investment and an 18% difference in max Defense.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2503883852-xep6vqq8bntc9l07p342wtmco7b0kn7pw

[stone trellis]

These CSR players, man (for context, this happened after I lost this game: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2503940584-q71xuts277r2ohnm6trihkw0loyg8aepw).

[thorny widget]

Is the most useless scenario I saw in my entire life

[dense latch]

living the strongest attack from one of the best mons in the format?

which then gives my flutter another turn for disruption or moonblast chip

[solid frigate]

i like Tera Grass Flutter but i can see other use cases since FWG core is all physical attackers

[dense latch]

the team does also have tera grass flutter https://pokepast.es/7c22161bd8c81bac here's the recreation of the team i've been running
but tera is usually much more valuable on firepon bolt or even pao

[foggy lodge]

Xurkitree @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 148 HP / 172 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Thunderbolt
• Dazzling Gleam
• Tail Glow
• Protect

Xurkitree having tail glow is crazy dude why can it set up like that

[dense latch]

as if it needs any more spatk lol

[foggy lodge]

I didn't realize Alola had so many strong mons

The SV dexcut probably affected my perception of it

An Alolan Marowak with thick club and 76+ atk has more atk than a max atk CIR

(ignoring the fact that Marowak has to sacrifice its item and can be intimidated)

[solid frigate]

Don’t really count SWSH since most of the alola mons are still good there

[foggy lodge]

I didn't play Sw/Sh idk

But like Incineroar and Lunala are probably the best mons to come out of Alola

[stone trellis]

Oh wow, you're telling me adding a 1.5x multiplier to a stat makes the end stat much higher? What a shock

[foggy lodge]

X2

[solid frigate]

some Ultra Beasts saw some play here

And Tapu koko would've won more if not for Covid

[dense latch]

eh koko wasn’t really used in swsh from what i remember

fini was amazing though

the terrain nerfs didn’t really affect it after all

[solid frigate]

is it? there are like Zero electric types besides Eleki

Unless i remember Gen 7 and i swap them over

[dense latch]

thing is eleki was all you needed

pre nerf eleki was a beast

[dense latch]

gen 7 koko was a great mon yea

the terrain nerf in gen 8 and eleki existing hurt

[foggy lodge]

They nerfed the terrain?

[solid frigate]

gen 7 is 50% boost

Now its 30%

[foggy lodge]

Ah right

Imagine Miraidon with the gen 7 terrain

[dense latch]

double specs 🥀

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2504015661-avgv992a81iu34v46wtofgk4v9ppk1kpw

[solid frigate]

the only good thing is that i don't need to calc for Miraidon CIR damage calcs

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2504019266-2w8veloj6os6li2eg56nnriitf04c3ppw

[stone trellis]

Because you don't use that duo?

Otherwise, you have no excuse.

[solid frigate]

No it’s because Miraidon now could kill CIR more comfortably

[stone trellis]

Oh, I got confused for a second.

But yeah, that makes sense.

It would just kill everyone.

[dense latch]

the japanese players in the vr tour are cooking some heinous stuff

[next stump]

yoooo my buddy won a VGC Trainer School tournament beating MDB in the finals

king of b(oring)alance

[dense latch]

i saw the match live

he cooked

full mirror except mdb had the slower mons lol

[solid frigate]

what is that tornadus doing here with Acro

also the iron crown lmfao

[dense latch]

i saw the iron crown first then torn sent me

[solid frigate]

ah yes my weather summoning genie take yoga classes

[stone trellis]

One more win for a new PB.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2504037449-icj5bhq0w69b1qjr4ver8hi121lj826pw

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT I HATE THIS STUPID GAME I LOST DUE TO BULLSHIT RNG AGAIN AND NOW I HAVE TO DO THREE MORE ROUNDS OF CSR BRIMSTONE TEAMS BEFORE I CAN EVEN THINK OF GETTING A NEW PB

And as if that was not enough, I have to wake up at 7 AM tomorrow because our stupid fucking school refuses to let us enjoy our holidays and just HAS to keep us until the 23rd.

[dense latch]

if only the gems were still in the game

bleakwind would prob still be better it's a busted move

[molten oasis]

Time to take a break

[stone trellis]

Dude, I literally just got back to doing VGC.

I got back to the 1500s a few hours ago.

[molten oasis]

That’s great, but don’t push yourself to the point you’re crashing out

Take a break for the day and come back later

[stone trellis]

The reason I was so angry was that I lost to a dumb team on a game where I would've achieved a new PB had I won.

I know numbers don't really matter, but I just really wanted to get that.

Snarl from Miraidon would've killed Raichu's momentum and I would've probably won the game.

But no, I just had to give them the +1.

[molten oasis]

I see

[dense latch]

i feel so bad for this guy 😭

he had incin rilla on the board and read my double tect only for that to happen

[foggy lodge]

LMFAO

Sword of ruin is so strong

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[solid frigate]

That Crit ruined his plan

[dense latch]

it ended up coming back to me

tera water amoong ursh vs bolt endgame, three turn sleep, lost tclap mindgames and close combat crit

[rustic mountain]

it was not

ppl tried random eleki koko or koko alolan raichu but it was pretty meme

[foggy lodge]

Sadge

it would have had a niche on gen 9 due to future paradox mons

Atleast in formats where restricteds don't exist and therefore Miraidon doesn't

[wild knot]

https://vxtwitter.com/duskullbf/status/2002571363245252638

tbae❄️ (@duskullbf)

what’s good yall here’s 2 and a half minutes of azurill and friends vs dozo giri

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Dec 21, 2025, 2:46 AM

its too funny

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2504352790-jv9qex78745vb91va73ae733vm7fqvopw

[left wyvern]

hey trying to trade kadabra to evolve it

[stone trellis]

#trading_sv

I DID IT HOLY SHIT
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2504355301-m9xasecdeqrofwagt9mo1jka8t05h95pw

1587 BABY

[stone trellis]

(Second time this same player has lost to this exact play btw)
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2504501741-56oo0uwsf3uddflkd0algo9ojwvahk9pw

[waxen dock]

thats dumb to use nasty plot in this case

[stone trellis]

CSR player, by the way.

The ones below 1550 have exactly three modes in their brain:

1. Fake Out + setup
2. Wide Guard + attack
3. Tera in the worst situation imaginable

[nocturne holly]

Yea Ik that’s why I said do you remember

[thorny widget]

Im unique, I use the 4 mode: Helping hand + attack 🐒

[stone trellis]

Nobody asked you.

[frail echo]

anyone wanna battle in za

[bold geode]

Probably better off asking in #lza_competitive or #1418556527421427742

[left bobcat]

Of course how could I forget

[foggy lodge]

Remember when Valiants made it to finals of worlds

Good old times

[stone trellis]

2024?

That team inspired me to make PTFK, not gonna lie.

[waxen dock]

I used to run desteny bond valiant

Good against miraidon that try to ohko it

[waxen dock]

i also used quick guard

against fake out

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2504982393-0qj104skoqgkqf1n5e8jnsw38diay27pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2504984076-mgys73l7eons2jocll5df873rkccm2spw

This guy threw at least twice.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2505009101-wxdw0tnoiguqs27lueu0fqyqx35l8y7pw

[timid mural]

Anyone wanna do synchro vgc quiz(basically we ask questions abt vgc and we synchro into a mon that fits the category)

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[timid mural]

So where does anyone do it?

[bold geode]

Low-key
No fuckin idea

[solid frigate]

G I don’t think anyone done that

[timid mural]

That's why I wanna do it

[nocturne holly]

What teams r u guys running

Does anyone remember when brambleghast was lowkey popular

As a watershifu counter

[next stump]

yeee good times

Reg D I think

[nocturne holly]

Yea wind rider power whip was sick

[foggy lodge]

Pretty sure that Wolfey's video about Brambleghast made me get into VGC lol

[stone trellis]

I cannot recall which of Wolfey's vids got me into VGC.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2505304717-o9wne2q4ooecph7ymblko8stlxvwy98pw

[dense latch]

this and regieleki 💔 ik it placed well in worlds 25 but that team was special

[foggy lodge]

Worlds 2024 was crazy

Valiant made it to finals and Regieleki got top 8 and then both did nothing ever again

[molten oasis]

Yup lmao

Worlds are weird times

Pretty random shit always pops up and does at least okay

[foggy lodge]

Is victory road down

I want to check the last VR teams and it just doesn't let me enter

[solid frigate]

I’m Suprised that team uses Pelipper at first

[bold geode]

Regieleki did something in 2025 Worlds

James Baek used it

[molten oasis]

Regieleki shows up at worlds every year then dies off

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but that was a whole year apart

[solid frigate]

Then again it’s James Baek

So kinda expecting he is using something else

[foggy lodge]

Regieleki was so based

[bold geode]

James Baek doesn't use weird shit like that

[foggy lodge]

I remember saying that Regieleki could be good in a restricteds format and everyone here told me "stop cooking bro"💔

[solid frigate]

It’s not Ben Grissmer at least

[bold geode]

Also I found this while looking at VGC art

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[solid frigate]

I was just checking if it can kill Incin

[bold geode]

Bro has to find a way to make this statistically accurate

[molten oasis]

Now how do we convert this into a sticker

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/仮面ライダービルド-sento-kiryu-kamen-rider-build-kiryu-sento-gif-7510236496758092

[bold geode]

Idk figure it the fuck out my guy

[molten oasis]

Bitch

[bold geode]

Once again

[solid frigate]

Save -> Convert from Webp to PNG -> Save -> Upload to stickers

[bold geode]

Me ragebaiting Drago

[molten oasis]

Good enough

[bold geode]

Dumb ass cat
Get ragebaited

Oh that reminds me
@rustic mountain I'm an asshole bro

Yesterday I literally for the hell of it stalled out a SD game to take a Dragonite from full HP to zero just from burn chip

[rustic mountain]

[onyx charm]

hi guyss i missed you

[solemn flicker]

Scrims?

[solid frigate]

One ice beam

[stone trellis]

One Surging Strikes lmao

[stone trellis]

Guys, where do I go to get 3D models of Pokemon in S/V?

I need a 3D model of Ursaluna and I haven't been able to find one since August 18.

[stone trellis]

I'm back to working on the drawing of the two Worlds finalists' teams.

[foggy lodge]

HAPYP CRHISTSMA

[bold geode]

Merry Christmas to everyone

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-beast-mokey-show-mokey-krima-christmas-gif-3100909091156502187

[stone trellis]

Merry Christmas, everyone.

[stone trellis]

Update on the drawing: I finished drawing James' Koraidon and Raging Bolt.

I only have to draw four more Pokemon now.

[forest arrow]

I know I’m not here alot much anymore but Merry Christmas Comp Chat

[real prairie]

@connertep what are the usual speed tiers for AV Groudon?

Just lost to a heat crash one that outsped my Tsareena 128 speed

[solid frigate]

@shadow wind

[shadow wind]

Uhhh

Let me pull up the builder

126, 113, 112, 138

Those were the numbers I found, 138 was only once but the other 3 were pretty even

Outspeeding a 128 tsareena is some pretty serious speed

Was it with tailwind at all?

Groudon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 116 HP / 76 Atk / 4 Def / 188 SpD / 124 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Precipice Blades
• High Horsepower
• Heat Crash
• Fire Punch

This was what I usually ran when I used av

[real prairie]

Nope, ho-oh, firepon, flutter and Groudon

[shadow wind]

Depends on the team obviously but that one was common

[real prairie]

Ho-oh was OHKO on a switch in

[shadow wind]

Oh funny, most of my av Groudons were with Ho oh

That's a fast Groudon then but it makes sense with non tailwind ho oh

Probably trying to catch non max speed Bolts

[real prairie]

Yeah real bummer, lost on that outspeed

[shadow wind]

Unfortunate

Oh yeah wait

Max speed modest bolt is 127

[real prairie]

Was 7-0 going into 7-1 lol stopping for the night

[shadow wind]

Maybe it was a speed tie then

[real prairie]

That's really painful 🤣 don't do that to me

[shadow wind]

Yeah probably not something you wanted to hear

But if I was using av don and getting outsped by max speed modest bolt I’m going 128

[real prairie]

All good, thanks for answering. merry Christmas bud

[real prairie]

It's also faster than most Rilla

[shadow wind]

Well I feel like if I don’t answer Groudon related questions I’m a fraud

And merry Christmas !

[stone trellis]

And any Incin that tries to go max Speed Jolly for whatever reason.

[slate spindle]

Scovillain keeps getting shafted

[stone trellis]

Add "Follow Me disables only viable strategy" somewhere.

[bold geode]

The mega has a tie cuz it's on its way to an interview for the local McDonald's

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2506832580-tnj8p021xt2541gxarq0fvfc96wngqgpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2506835486-las2i1uoww0d9d1nauvh3srxuuth17fpw

[stone trellis]

I had a funny idea.

[solid frigate]

What

[stone trellis]

You ever heard of Geometry Dash?

[shadow wind]

Screw clubstep

I can't beat any of the base game demons because I'm trash

[stone trellis]

I had this funny idea of cheating on levels but making it super obvious to anyone who knows about spaceUK, posting videos of me winning and then seeing how many people fall for it.

My name should probably be something like CosmosGreece to keep up the tradition.

Also, speaking of Clubstep, the first four clicks of Boobawamba ON PRACTICE MODE are as difficult as the first six clicks of Silent Clubstep without practice mode.

I am convinced that SC is only so high because Paqoe is head of the Demon list.

[dense latch]

i hate clubstep so much

toe2 clears i swear it’s not because it’s my only robtop demon

[molten oasis]

I’ve beaten every demon

[thorny widget]

Congrats

[stone trellis]

Congrats.

Now do a main list demon.

[molten oasis]

Like an extreme? Hell nah

[stone trellis]

I tried Silent Clubstep.

The one part I couldn't get past is the orb part.

I can do the two frame perfect jumps at the beginning, I just can't do the blue orbs.

[molten oasis]

Damn lol

I’ve tried bloodbath before, didn’t get anywhere cuz my ship skills at the time were ass

[stone trellis]

(Never actually finished Stereo Madness and I've only been playing for three days btw)

I wish I could perform a straight fly correctly.

It seems like I get it right, then I mess up one click and everything goes to shit.

I could probably get to the drop on Slaughterhouse, not gonna lie.

[molten oasis]

Straight fly’s are hard

I play on mobile so it’s even harder for me

[stone trellis]

I play on a 12-year-old 60 Hz monitor.

With a bum-ass mouse.

I know they're difficult.

[solid frigate]

Me with a Vertical ahh mouse:

[dense latch]

real

that and the deadlocked fast wave sections are so hard for me on mobile

[molten oasis]

Deadlocked waves suck

Toe2 ended up being the easiest of the 3

Clubstep has a lot of jumping difficulty

(That second to last ship part sucks)

[dense latch]

clubstep has been so unenjoyable for me after how much fun i had beating toe2

[molten oasis]

I hated clubstep

[dense latch]

im just gonna play deadlocked instead

[molten oasis]

I had 97% for a while and was just like

‘I don’t wanna do this anymore’

Toe2 was fun the whole way through

[gentle crag]

Result: 228.150000

[stone trellis]

I want to try out a different team that doesn't include CSR or HO brimstone, do you guys have any suggestions?

[dense latch]

what are you willing to run restricted wise, that should help narrow things down

[timber schooner]

Is there a web site to check the format and top threats easily