competitive_discussion

[short quiver]

so surf and weather ball for sure and then what else

[stone trellis]

Helping Hand or some other support move, maybe?

[short quiver]

sure HH is good

[stone trellis]

So you plan to use that team for which format?

[short quiver]

makes poni arch and tsareena even more threatening

[stone trellis]

And Chien-Pao.

[short quiver]

chipao is threatening regardless

[timber schooner]

Probably j

[short quiver]

OH GOD NO

[stone trellis]

You're cooked in J.

[short quiver]

PLEASE KEEP IT TO REG F

[stone trellis]

Keep it to H, actually.

[timber schooner]

Its beaten couple teams with restricteds

[short quiver]

iron bundle

[stone trellis]

Congrats.

What's your rank?

[timber schooner]

Anyone got any suggestions to make it more successful

[short quiver]

yeah use it in reg F

where it can actually achieve something

[stone trellis]

1. Add restricteds
2. Use better Pokemon

If you want to actually succeed in Reg J, you don't have to stick to occasionally beating some restricted teams.

[short quiver]

copperajah is um

interesting

[timber schooner]

I know

[short quiver]

cringes

[stone trellis]

And this "I don't want to use restricteds" stuff is hella forced.

Just go with the format.

[short quiver]

if you dont want to just play regF WHERE YOU HAVE A CHANCE AT LIFE

[molten oasis]

[stone trellis]

If you don't like restricteds, Reg F and H are very popular right now.

[timber schooner]

Ill probably do f

With is more popular

[short quiver]

in F you can keep this exact team

[stone trellis]

F is becoming more popular and it allows you to use this team.

[short quiver]

in H torn and bundle have to go

[stone trellis]

Anyway...

@short quiver You got a paste for the team so far?

[short quiver]

no ive been taking screenshots of your pastes

[stone trellis]

Ah.

[timber schooner]

I don't have my actually restricted team

[short quiver]

im at work im trying to balance talking and still working

[timber schooner]

Im working on it

[short quiver]

for tsareena i think just 4hp 252 atk 252speed jolly wide lens triple axel power whip high jump kick protect

[stone trellis]

How fast is it?

Base 72?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 763: Tsareena

Type

Grass

Abilities

Leaf Guard, Queenly Majesty, Sweet Veil (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

72/120/98/50/98/72

Total

510

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

slow

at least to my standard its slow

[stone trellis]

So it hits what, 136 Speed?

[short quiver]

probably

[stone trellis]

We were so fucking close, man.

[short quiver]

its stats are quite good though

[stone trellis]

Literally ONE more point and it'd be usable due to Icy Wind.

Due to rounding fuckery, all base 135s get their Speed knocked down to 136 after Icy Wind.

So many Pokemon like to hang around the 137 camp.

But Tsareena's 136.

[short quiver]

hm

just have to keep an eye on my tailwind turns

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[short quiver]

back to poli surf weather ball hh protect

sitrus

[stone trellis]

You can just aim to outspeed max Speed Jolly Shifu when Tsareena is under TW.

So you'll only need to hit 123 instead of 136.

[short quiver]

which gives me what 100 points for another stat?

[next stump]

one thing to think about is what your leads are going to be with this team

because rn it doesn't seem super clear what you lead into meta stuff

[short quiver]

poni politoed?

hm maybe a little too aggressive?

for having chipao tsareena poni arch as offense this team still seems quite defensive

[stone trellis]

Tsareena @ Wide Lens
Level: 50
Jolly Nature
Tera Type: Ice
Ability: Queenly Majesty
EVs: 60 HP / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe

• Power Whip
• Triple Axel
• Knock Off
• Protect

It kills 108 HP / 4 Def Shifu with Power Whip and outspeeds max Speed Timid Scarf Lando in Tailwind.

[short quiver]

cool

does it live surging strikes off of resist?

and not terrible defense stats

[stone trellis]

3HKO.

[short quiver]

72 hp 98 def 98 spd is quite good

unfortunately its mono grass so it still suffers

[stone trellis]

Yeah, it's hardly in Rillaboom tier.

[short quiver]

for poli what we thinking spread wise

and is chipao just standard 4 252 252

<@&663761167176433665>

[stone trellis]

236 HP / 164 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe with a Bolt nature.

[stone trellis]

It's Sash, no shit.

[short quiver]

aye man idk you could be cooking something

you know i like to be eccentric

[wild depot]

they talked in no talky

lets go

[short quiver]

what happened?

[wild depot]

they got banned for it

#aaa-no-talky

[short quiver]

oh

[solid frigate]

Smart move there

[dense latch]

i wonder how many people have actually tried to be funny and talked in there lmao

i imagine someone’s impulsive thoughts might’ve got them

[stone trellis]

I have to resist the urges every day.

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2485884510-xrfkjmp10dsqg1lsq64iysfx6uw9mhrpw

@next stump lmfao bro complain about urshifu while not bringing rillaboom

[short quiver]

i didnt even know that channel existed

[stone trellis]

I did.

[short quiver]

so im safe

how do we think this team is gonna shake up

obviously revisions are gonna be made by january

[molten oasis]

To follow up on this

Always 4 in defense to live surging strikes

[dense latch]

“i brought no counters to a good pokemon and let it stay on the field despite having the chance to remove it, so i’m gonna complain about it to my opponent because it’s their fault >:(((((”

huge team issue there ngl

[solid frigate]

They could lead Rilla+Dozo to wall Urshifu and Yawn Peli then force me to reposition

Cuz my lead is with Ting Lu in mind

[dense latch]

thing is basically all ting dozo players only know how to lead ting lu dozo

[short quiver]

ill remember that

[solid frigate]

yeah i am not expecting them to do that but like its just a thought you can do that to caught their guard

i have Archaludon at the back for Gambit and Rilla

since i want Pure Offense there knowing i can kill Ting Lu within 2 turns

so defense is not the play

[molten oasis]

I’ve been lucky with ting dozo lol

I’ve barely seen any, it’s quite nice

[solid frigate]

my experience on it is just

Lead Urshifu and Pelipper,and expect them to cry

[timber schooner]

Anyone want to battle

I have made my new restricted team

[solid frigate]

Reg J? Show me (idk if the ladder will stay as Reg J for December onwards

[stone trellis]

Send a paste.

[timber schooner]

K

https://pokepast.es/44d02480a6ff9469

[stone trellis]

What changed?

[solid frigate]

W h a t

T h e

F u c k

[timber schooner]

What

[solid frigate]

Where’s the Restricteds

[timber schooner]

Zamazenta and giratina are restricted

[molten oasis]

This will not work for a restricted team

[solid frigate]

There’s none here and why Giratina-

[stone trellis]

Uhhh... Where do you see Zamazenta and Giratina?

[molten oasis]

Giratina is also not good

[timber schooner]

Battle me and find out

[molten oasis]

[stone trellis]

Bet.

Will you be up in roughly eight hours from now?

[timber schooner]

Probably

[stone trellis]

Great.

[solid frigate]

Is it just the way to confuse enemies of thinking this is a real team

Cuz I’m pretty sure Zamazenta+Giratina ain’t beating Miraidon+Ho-Oh

[stone trellis]

Good luck, you're going to need it.

[molten oasis]

Drayagedrag0 search that

[stone trellis]

I will provide you with my team paste so you can be ready.

[timber schooner]

Ive made couple people rage quite with this

[short quiver]

hooh mirai sounds scary

https://tenor.com/view/maomao-disgusted-apothecary-maomao-anime-disgust-the-apothecary-diaries-apothecary-diaries-gif-277569285267881835

[molten oasis]

Send a battle inv

[short quiver]

you didnt update the paste genius 😭

[timber schooner]

What's the user

[short quiver]

he just told you

[timber schooner]

Damb it

[stone trellis]

https://pokepast.es/59b03963fd7f0f4e

Be prepared.

[molten oasis]

.

[timber schooner]

What's the user

[stone trellis]

I don't like to punch down, but I also despise Giratina for how utterly mid it is.

[molten oasis]

I sent it

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/aba2244fe35c0932

i'll join in if you want another beating

[short quiver]

its such a shame 😔

its design is so good

[solid frigate]

it was ok in debut gen but just outside of that its mid

[stone trellis]

No, I meant its design.

[solid frigate]

like not mid its horrible

[stone trellis]

It bores me to tears, holy shit.

[molten oasis]

K I can’t do this now

[short quiver]

lowkey you should lemme steal this team ill suffer the lando for the rest

[molten oasis]

Bug me in 30 minutes

[stone trellis]

And I despise how everyone acts like this thing is cooler than Rayquaza.

[solid frigate]

i uploaded on #rental_teams

[short quiver]

i want it for showdown not cart but good to know

[stone trellis]

He has a fucking Showdown paste.

[short quiver]

i know bro

chill out

[stone trellis]

@solid frigate Hit me up when you're ready for that battle, by the way.

[short quiver]

i love how as soon as i type S into google the first thing it recommends me is showdown

[stone trellis]

I'm 99% certain that I will find a way to bottle this.

[solid frigate]

probably not gonna focus on that team for like ever since reg F stuff and the team is more like a memoir that can still fight

[stone trellis]

We could do one last fight as a sendoff for our teams.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-ooo-kamen-rider-ooo-henshin-hino-eiji-gif-11952162703215148107

literally me with this team

[stone trellis]

?

[solid frigate]

look at the emblem on the chest and look at ho-oh

[stone trellis]

Ah.

Thank God Ho-oh's Tera Water.

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoblade-pyra-pyra-xenoblade-absolute-cinema-xenoblade-2-gif-12163805695941499382

[solid frigate]

you think its tera grass?

[stone trellis]

No, I know what its Tera is.

I literally just said it.

I have seen the paste.

[solid frigate]

the fire Phoenix becomes a soaked birb

[stone trellis]

And it's about to feel the full wrath of Hasan "Shocker" Miraidon.

Oh nevermind, Ho-oh isn't a dog.

[solid frigate]

i mean bro already is weak to Miraidon

It just here to help deal stuff Miraidon can't clear comfortably

Aka Shadow and Ice Honse, Groudon

[short quiver]

discord gifs will never disappoint

[stone trellis]

Every day, I wake up and I praise the Lord for making me make this team.

[solid frigate]

well Koraidon as well but both kinda just bully Koraidon

[stone trellis]

I have an answer to basically 90% of the things this team can do.

But I'm shit enough that I expect to lose anyway.

What's your peak rating in Reg J?

[short quiver]

would it be wrong of me to say it would be funny if you lost

[stone trellis]

It's the expected outcome.

I always lose when I have a good MU.

I get too cocky, my opponent reads my entire team and I've suddenly lost.

It's against teams where I have a bad MU that the narrative shifts.

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/manga-rascal-does-not-dream-of-bunny-girl-senpai-bunny-girl-senpai-anime-blush-gif-14746181

[short quiver]

probably just that you play more carefully

i just click whatever button my instinct tells me to

works out about 48% of the time

i usually perform quite well when i actually think about what im doing

clicking buttons about 48% success rate and probably closer to 60% when i actually think

[timber schooner]

What are some things to look out for with a choice band

[short quiver]

can you be more specific with the question

[timber schooner]

Like what are the risks besides the one move lock in

[short quiver]

um

being locked to a move that might be completely useless against another mon on the enemy team

always be mindful on what you click where and whether you can switch out of it or not

[timber schooner]

Thoughts on this giratina set

https://pokepast.es/36a223fed2020884

[molten oasis]

Why

[timber schooner]

It does a absurd amount of damage

[short quiver]

what the fuck is this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399818028623069275/1433695024532553829/image0.gif

[timber schooner]

Don't know

[short quiver]

also um

just dont use outrage

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 487: Giratina

Types

Ghost/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/100/120/100/120/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Giratina-Origin

Sableye version 4.29.0

[timber schooner]

What should it be then

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 487: Giratina-Origin

Types

Ghost/Dragon

Abilities

Levitate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/120/100/120/100/90

Total

680

Base Species

Giratina

Sableye version 4.29.0

Giratina's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Aqua Tail, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Cut, Dragon Claw, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, Fly, Frustration, Fury Cutter, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Natural Gift, Outrage, Payback, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Shadow Claw, Shadow Force, Shadow Sneak, Skitter Smack, Slash, Steel Wing, Stone Edge, Strength, Take Down

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Ancient Power, Aura Sphere, Charge Beam, Dark Pulse, Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Dream Eater, Earth Power, Echoed Voice, Energy Ball, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Ominous Wind, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Silver Wind, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Twister

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Confide, Confuse Ray, Curse, Defog, Destiny Bond, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Heal Block, Hone Claws, Magic Coat, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Spite, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Giratina.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

ig dragon claw would be fine if you insist on being physical choice band

[timber schooner]

Could this set work with the right team

[short quiver]

just please for your sanity dont use outrage

especially not banded outrage

that no bueno

[short quiver]

if you’re, in the wise words of 21 Pilots, “sipping on straight chlorine”

[solid frigate]

In the short words,no

And that’s not even a good Giratina Set

[short quiver]

yeah i didnt feel like being the one to say it

[solid frigate]

The Best Giratina set is Calm Mind and that wasn’t a good user still

[short quiver]

giratina is unfortunately just not good which is a shame its got good stats

[solid frigate]

It’s got a mixed attacker issue

[short quiver]

yeah

its bulk is phenomenal tho

[timber schooner]

What about this https://pokepast.es/657ecb55ed42c907

[short quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399818028623069275/1433695024532553829/image0.gif

how did he make it worse….

[solid frigate]

Eternatus in my eyes is one of the best Stats but ruined by the ability

[short quiver]

my FIRST QUESTION

is WHY THE HELL are you using both WILLOWISP and TWAVE on the SAME POKEMON

[solid frigate]

Yeah no i see this set in Singles and it’s the wrong form to use this Moveset

And the Moveset is also wrong

[solid frigate]

Hex damage

[short quiver]

i get that

but not both 😭

[solid frigate]

I mean for Ground types

Which btw this form Giratina doesn’t care about it

[short quiver]

yeah

[solid frigate]

And you still lose to Everything

[timber schooner]

Giratina is actually good with curse

[short quiver]

so if you’re gonna go like this you dont need willo

[timber schooner]

Ignore that

[short quiver]

for one

[solid frigate]

It’s still bad

Like did you know what Curse does

[timber schooner]

I forgot it was ghost

[short quiver]

for two, its unsaveably bad regardless

[solid frigate]

Are you fucking serious

[short quiver]

PAHAHAHA

[solid frigate]

Trust me no matter how you slice it Giratina is just Shadow Rider but A LOT WORSE

Hell i can say Mewtwo is better and it’s not a compliment on Mewtwo’s part cuz it’s still bad

[short quiver]

im glad mewtwo is bad tbh

[solid frigate]

Mewtwo is bad mostly because there are better psychic Types in Gen 7-9,Lunala,Ultra Necrozma and Shadow Rider

Gen 6 is mostly Xerneas and the Hoenn Trio

[short quiver]

was mega mewtwo used at all in any of its yesrs of being legal?

i imagine not very much if at all

considering the aforementioned hoenn trio

[solid frigate]

Yes but it’s worse than more basically 60% of the mega list

[timber schooner]

https://pokepast.es/a2ce86e7c83c375f

[short quiver]

now its just straight up a mixed attacker?

[solid frigate]

Stick to one Attacking stat dear GOD

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-anya-forger-spy-x-family-brain-fried-gif-245623370932004073

making a bad pokemon worse

somehow

[molten oasis]

Actually I think someone used that in a regional lol

[short quiver]

i imagine it didnt go very well?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-ooo-ooo-仮面ライダーooo-eiji-hino-火野映司-gif-19432600

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoblade-pyra-pyra-xenoblade-absolute-cinema-xenoblade-2-gif-12163805695941499382

[solid frigate]

Yeah that’s Calm Mind Variant

It’s literally the best set but it’s still bad

[molten oasis]

It did okay actually

[solid frigate]

Mostly because the player actually has the knowledge and skill to use+a bit of Matchup fishing

[short quiver]

i think his best bet is twave hex draco calm mind 😑

[timber schooner]

https://pokepast.es/58758c1a6c35ec7e

[short quiver]

DRAGON BREATH???

[solid frigate]

I feel like he did this on purpose now

[short quiver]

im being ragebaited

and dammit its working

[solid frigate]

Sigh

[short quiver]

whatcha think @solid frigate

[solid frigate]

That’s still bad

[short quiver]

i know but he seems adamant on using giratina

and we cant do much with a bad mon 😭

and like lefties or sm shit

[timber schooner]

https://pokepast.es/53e7d3429e0d8988

[short quiver]

at least abuse the bulk right?

[solid frigate]

Literally just lefties Calm Mind+Duo Stab and Protect

[short quiver]

is this ragebait

[solid frigate]

It’s that simple

[short quiver]

this has to be ragebait

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-decade-aurora-curtain-kamen-rider-zi-o-kamen-rider-gif-10820404953270006748

[short quiver]

alright @timber schooner calm mind draco hex/shadow ball protect

if you want hex just use grimmsnarl or smthn that can apply a status

and use leftovers on gira

fucking dragon breath 😭

[timber schooner]

https://pokepast.es/d354430eb4b43fc4

[short quiver]

WHY THE FUCK

DO YOU HAVE HYPERBEAM

WITH A CHOICE BAND

[timber schooner]

This one is a joke

[short quiver]

its not even funny anymore

it stopped being funny after specs dragon breath

[solid frigate]

Honestly all are jokes

Just not good jokes

[short quiver]

i literally gave him a set 😑

that will at least like

function, i guess?

[cyan smelt]

At least giratina is better than Palkia and Dialga

[short quiver]

small comfort when hes trying to run specs dragon breath

[solid frigate]

Well ummm

Bro is better in Aura farming than them

But Dialga is always like the better of the 3

Cuz Dialga

ACTUALLY HAS A NICHE WITH URSALUNA

[short quiver]

im so sad lugia is a forgotten shadow

forever hidden in hoohs shadow

[solid frigate]

No that’s completely opposite in the anime

[short quiver]

im referring to vgc 😔

i wish i could use lugia

i did try it to uh okay results

i can say having a signature flying move is a plus

[solid frigate]

It’s fair that Lugia is ass in VGC because bro is more popular (even tho someone day 2 with it in Reg G’s first Regional)

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

it learns Psycho Boost

[short quiver]

it

WHAT

[solid frigate]

I think it wasnt a thing now

[tiny karma]

Lugia's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Avalanche, Body Slam, Brave Bird, Double-Edge, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, Fly, Giga Impact, Iron Head, Liquidation, Scale Shot, Sky Attack, Take Down, Waterfall, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aeroblast, Air Cutter, Air Slash, Ancient Power, Blizzard, Charge Beam, Chilling Water, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Extrasensory, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Gust, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Curse, Endure, Helping Hand, Imprison, Light Screen, Mist, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Trick, Whirlwind

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Lugia.

Sableye version 4.29.0

Lugia's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Avalanche, Body Slam, Brave Bird, Double-Edge, Dragon Rush, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Earthquake, Facade, Fly, Giga Impact, Iron Head, Liquidation, Scale Shot, Sky Attack, Take Down, Waterfall, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aeroblast, Air Cutter, Air Slash, Ancient Power, Blizzard, Charge Beam, Chilling Water, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Extrasensory, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Gust, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Shadow Ball, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Curse, Endure, Helping Hand, Imprison, Light Screen, Mist, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Trick, Whirlwind

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Lugia.

Sableye version 4.29.0

Lugia's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Body Slam, Dive, Double-Edge, Dragon Rush, Earthquake, Facade, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Natural Gift, Punishment, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Sky Attack, Steel Wing, Strength, Waterfall, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aeroblast, Air Cutter, Ancient Power, Blizzard, Brine, Charge Beam, Dragon Pulse, Dream Eater, Earth Power, Extrasensory, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Gust, Hidden Power, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mud-Slap, Ominous Wind, Psychic, Psycho Boost, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Twister, Water Pulse, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Calm Mind, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Feather Dance, Flash, Hail, Light Screen, Mimic, Nightmare, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Recover, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Roost, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick, Whirlwind

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Lugia.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[solid frigate]

Yeah in Gen 2 remake it learnt that

[short quiver]

welp

if it gets it back i can use it

[solid frigate]

For some reason other than Event

[short quiver]

i dont even like lugia cuz its popular i like it cuz its less colorful than hooh

my reasoning is that simple

also im bias to gen 2

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-ooo-tajador-combo-transform-power-gif-16339659

[timber schooner]

https://pokepast.es/ea7769d6ba9d9b5e

[short quiver]

and back to mixed attacking again

[solid frigate]

My only reason why i am on team Ho-Oh

[short quiver]

like i didnt literally give you a set

[timber schooner]

This is a support set

[short quiver]

NO

[solid frigate]

Why are you using Support set with a Restricted that already has support capability

[short quiver]

even if your set was “support” wouldnt you be using shadow ball for the stat drop 🥀

but why the fuck are you using a RESTRICTED POKEMON as a SUPPORT 😭

this guy is making me look like a pro this is not a good thing

[short quiver]

and another question wouldnt willowisp and rocky helmet be counterintuitive

[solid frigate]

Sigh….

The fact he is not ragebaiting makes it more concerning

[short quiver]

im actually about to cry bro

and more frustrating is i gave him the best set he can do and he ignored me

[cyan smelt]

Some people don't want to be helped

[short quiver]

so why is he sending these sets here 😭

we arent telling him to use a different pokemon just use the set we gave you

[cyan smelt]

Idk some people like when their ideas are reinforced ig

[short quiver]

well we aren’t reinforcing scarf dragon breath and band hyperbeam

[cyan smelt]

What format is it for anyway, J?

[short quiver]

no clue

im gonna assume so tho

i cant be sure with this guy with what ive seen so far

[solid frigate]

J

[cyan smelt]

Why would you even use giratina in reg j

[short quiver]

THATS WHAT WE WANTED TO KNOW

when i use bad pokemon at least i know what i want that pokemon to do

this guy has no clue 😭

[cyan smelt]

Yeah you're right the only viable set is cm lefties

[short quiver]

and hes sent us literally everything else

i lost my patience after specs dragon breath 😑

[cyan smelt]

The only ghost types that should run specs are gholdengo and flutter

[foggy lodge]

Support restricteds aren't really bad

The problem is bein Giratina with rocky helmet will o wisp breaking swipe aljwkdkdkd

[cyan smelt]

Calyrex maybe but it's better with lorb

[short quiver]

the issue is this guy has no idea what hes doing anyways

[foggy lodge]

Budget Incin and taking up a restricted slot

[solid frigate]

I seen funny stuff with Specs Shadow Rider

[cyan smelt]

I can see that, specs ab would be a nuke

[foggy lodge]

Specs csr my beloved

Specs tera ghost❤️

[short quiver]

how about band cir

[foggy lodge]

no❤️

[short quiver]

i tried it it was really funny

[cyan smelt]

Speaking of cir is glastrier at all viable in reg f

[solid frigate]

No

[short quiver]

doubtful

[foggy lodge]

not really

[cyan smelt]

What about garticuno

[foggy lodge]

its not good enough to justify as a tr sweeper and not good enough without tr

[short quiver]

its best ice move is what icicle crash?

[foggy lodge]

If you half close your eyes you can pretend its decent

[short quiver]

hey i used garticuno it wasnt that bad

[cyan smelt]

Damn why do so many mons with competitive have to be ass

[foggy lodge]

The only one that you could use is Milotic

[short quiver]

milotic my favorite legendary bird

[foggy lodge]

But Milotic doesn't survive on a format where Raging Bolt balance is the #1 archetype

[cyan smelt]

Milotic wasn't even really used in h because of archaludon

[short quiver]

i think he means moltres

[foggy lodge]

You don't really pick it into rain

[dense latch]

i loved using milotic in like 2021 in the few set swsh formats i did play

[foggy lodge]

Alex missed day 2 at LAIC💔

[dense latch]

yea 4-0 to 4-3 is rough

[foggy lodge]

Btw why did everyone switched to Shiliang's team

[solid frigate]

What is that team btw i forgot

[dense latch]

it’s the arch volc dengo dnite tesm

[foggy lodge]

ngl I hope they don't show that team again tomorrow LMAO

[dense latch]

always found it kinda weird

[foggy lodge]

We saw it like 6 times on stream today

[dense latch]

it was everywhere lmao

main stream side stream

[foggy lodge]

And its a team that just extends the game with all the damage control tools

[short quiver]

what all legendsries are actually good in reg F beaides poni the bear the genies and the treasures of ruin

[foggy lodge]

What poni

[dense latch]

the paradox legendaries

[foggy lodge]

Who is poni

[short quiver]

ogerpon

[dense latch]

ogerpon?

[foggy lodge]

Ahhh

Heatran is good

[solid frigate]

If i have a nickel of the Tang Gang’s Teams have extended games Team then i have two nickels

Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that happened twice

[dense latch]

the paradox legends i guess

[foggy lodge]

Pretty sure Cresselia had a small niche

[short quiver]

well yeah i knew that ive heard nothing but “raging bolt” since reg F was announced

[dense latch]

yea cress ursa is alright

[foggy lodge]

Entei is good

Choice band extreme speed + inner focus and fife coverage

[dense latch]

regidrago

[short quiver]

naturally my favorite wouldnt be good

[dense latch]

i wish eleki was good

[foggy lodge]

Registeel also had a niche

Body press iron defense

[short quiver]

(im talking sbout suicune btw)

[foggy lodge]

Sadly

Raging Bolt Ogerpon Rilla

[dense latch]

i remember it was actually good in sword and shield

[solid frigate]

I didn’t even bother using my favourites at all,i done that twice and that’s it I’m done

[timber schooner]

https://pokepast.es/84a1c0b7ad8ae56e

[short quiver]

the only good thing i can say is it gets scald still

[foggy lodge]

And the water type slot is just better filled by other mons

[short quiver]

why the fuck donyou have destiny bond on a bulky lefties mon

[foggy lodge]

Waterpon mainly cuz its also a bulky water type with support

[dense latch]

i just let the mons i use the most become my favorites

so i can win while also using my favs

[short quiver]

i cant even do that cuz koraidon isnt legal and everytime i ask about walking wake Paul yells at me

[solid frigate]

I guess that’s one way to do that

[foggy lodge]

I used to think firepon was the ugliest form and now i like it a lot

[dense latch]

i love firepon

[foggy lodge]

Not my favourite cuz my favourite is waterpon but its close

[short quiver]

firepon more like goatflame

can we all agree ogerpon is a cracked legendary

[cyan smelt]

Does hoodra have a niche

[foggy lodge]

Registeel better

[solid frigate]

Kinda

[cyan smelt]

I do love registeel

[dense latch]

maybe as an idbp user

but landorus

it gets walled by tera fairy bolt too

[short quiver]

i was about to ask what idbp was and the realized its obviously iron defense body press

i wish mudsdale was faster

[foggy lodge]

Latias had a small niche in early reg H

Bulky tailwind with dragon type

[solid frigate]

Uhhh H?

[short quiver]

my pookie latias mentioned

[solid frigate]

You mean F right

[foggy lodge]

Fell off after the first month but its there

[cyan smelt]

And tera steel Latias walls lando

[short quiver]

im using this now thank you

[gentle crag]

naganohara_akira has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[short quiver]

tera steel tailwind latias

[foggy lodge]

Tera steel Latios on reg G❤️

[short quiver]

Latias, and Reg F

[solid frigate]

Keanu the GOAT

[foggy lodge]

I think Latias used poison on reg F cuz

It still resists sludge bomb and it resists fairy and fighting

[cyan smelt]

Interesting

[short quiver]

and is still immune to ground

[cyan smelt]

Same reason hydreigon uses fire ig

Well fire is for heat wave

[short quiver]

would tera steel latios use tera blast to smack fairy types with

[foggy lodge]

Nah

Double stab tailwind protect

[short quiver]

booooo

[foggy lodge]

Or icy wind over tailwind

[cyan smelt]

Would be fun to smack flutter around

[short quiver]

arent the lati twins base 101 speed or sm shit

[foggy lodge]

The problem is

That it doesn't kill cuz flutter has too much special defense aowudowjdkdjrk

[cyan smelt]

Hang on, maybe I could replace goltres with Latias on my team

[short quiver]

you do know latias is the bulky defensive twin right

[cyan smelt]

But with hands, Latias and regidrago that's 3 flutter weaknesses

[foggy lodge]

What is your team

[cyan smelt]

I was using goltres, regidrago, incin, hands, flutter and amoonguss but was losing horribly so I stopped using it

[foggy lodge]

why regidrago there

regidrago needs ho comps

tailwind anti prio stuff like that

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I realised that the rest of the team was more balance and regidrago doesn't fit there

But I really like AV hands, incredibly tanky

[foggy lodge]

I miss when Iron Hands Miraidon was good

By the end of reg I Hands was completely out of the format

[molten oasis]

Incin supremacy

I feel incins a big part of it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Kinda hated Lunala

[foggy lodge]

And the teams just prefered to use other mons

[molten oasis]

Didn’t really like CSR

[foggy lodge]

Like on MiraiLunala the TR abuser was Ursaluna

[molten oasis]

got kinda rolled by Ursa

And replaced by it too

[foggy lodge]

And on CIR Mirai which seems like the perfect team for Hands

The late meta teams just used other mons

[molten oasis]

Shifu incin mostly I think

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Incin shifu lando I + something

Between Farigiraf and Amoonguss

[molten oasis]

Grimmsnarl or whimsi

[foggy lodge]

Remember when Amoonguss Miraidon won worlds

[molten oasis]

Oh people played Fari?

[molten oasis]

In, seniors?

[foggy lodge]

Yea

[molten oasis]

Masters was the korai mirror

Yeah ok, can’t believe it

Amoonguss isn’t really a miraidon Mon and it won anyway

[foggy lodge]

Actually what was the highest amoonguss miraidon at worlds

[molten oasis]

Idk

Worlds was pretty hype to

[short quiver]

what format was worlds 2024

[foggy lodge]

22nd place

None of them made top cut💔

[foggy lodge]

Reg G

[molten oasis]

Zacogre failed top cut sadly

He tried his best that format was just not friendly to Zac at all

[short quiver]

try zac white kyurem trust

[molten oasis]

Or kyogre

[molten oasis]

Hell nah

[foggy lodge]

Incin was the best mon of the format

[molten oasis]

Which ruins Zac so

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it didn't win worlds but it was still the best mon

[short quiver]

its what i use for cart ladder its my favorite team ever

[foggy lodge]

Kyurem is funnh

The only funny restricted

[short quiver]

why is it funny

[molten oasis]

The funny guy

The potential Mon lmao

[foggy lodge]

Blizzard soam

Is really the wahoo buttons mon

[short quiver]

it has the potential to be great it just hasnt reached it yet

and tbh i dont even click blizzard that much

i like tera fire fusion flare

unfortunately my favorite restricted is uh not good

(reshiram)

[foggy lodge]

Didn't Reshiram did decently in sword and shield

[short quiver]

i wasnt in the competitive scene in swsh era

😔🥀

[foggy lodge]

I wasn't either but I think I saw something about it

[short quiver]

maybe when dynamax comes back in champions ill get my chance

[foggy lodge]

Now its just the worse Koraidon in every way

[molten oasis]

Yep

Imagine if we had Xerneas

[short quiver]

korai mirai dont have a trio

[molten oasis]

Fckn monster

[molten oasis]

It’s kinda terapagos

[foggy lodge]

Roar stocks📈

[molten oasis]

But they’re mostly a duo

[short quiver]

pagos is more a duo with ogerpon in my opinion

[foggy lodge]

I think it'll be funny to see the new mons play in a Xerneas format

[molten oasis]

Haze stonks

[molten oasis]

Shifu would explode

[foggy lodge]

Really gen 8 and gen 9

[molten oasis]

Honestly rilla might do fine into it

[foggy lodge]

Xerneas didn't play at all in gen 8 cuz dynamax

[molten oasis]

Xern was bad in 8

Had to do with both Zacian and Dynamax

[short quiver]

i imagine xerneas had to fear prime Zacian?

[molten oasis]

And it’ll probably remain that way honestly with any Dynamax format

[foggy lodge]

Yeah Zac was like the 2nd best mon of the format

[molten oasis]

Xerneas fears Zacian anyway

[foggy lodge]

And it struggled into dinamax

[short quiver]

not the first?

[foggy lodge]

Cuz dinamax threatened too much damage on turns where Xerneas wanted to set up

[molten oasis]

Incin

[foggy lodge]

And didn't really benefit from dynamax

[molten oasis]

If incin is legal and it isn’t a primal format incin is the best Mon

[foggy lodge]

Reg G👆

[short quiver]

incin needs a nerf bro 🥀😔

[foggy lodge]

On reg G Urshifu water was the best

Incin was the second anyways lol

[molten oasis]

Yeah but in double res it’s always incin

[short quiver]

its gonna get another buff in champions watch

some bullshit new move or sm shit

[foggy lodge]

I like Incin how it is

[short quiver]

it needs a nerf a random cat dhould not be the most dominant pokemin in almost every format since it gained its hidden ability

that’s rediculous

[foggy lodge]

Its a necessary evil

[short quiver]

its not tho

[foggy lodge]

HO would otherwise be just the best archetype of the game

Prankster mons would really just terrorize the whole meta that's something Incin helps a lot into

[short quiver]

it needs a nerf and i stand in that opinion

its the fucking starbucks of pokemon

everywhere you turn, there it is

[foggy lodge]

as it should❤️

[short quiver]

NO GET THAT BITCH ASS FURRY CAT THE FUCK OUT OF MY FACE 😭

and i intentionally refuse to use it

[foggy lodge]

Be grateful that you are playing the gen that actually doesn't force you to play Incin

[short quiver]

id cry

[foggy lodge]

Cuz gen 8 and gen 7 ohhhh incin had like a 80% usage soemthing like that

And the 20% are the people who didn't make day 2

[short quiver]

i think if i joined vgc in gen 7 my competitive journey would have been very short

i hate that stupid cat id rather use its unevolved form just to spite it

but i dont even use torracat cuz scrafty is right there for me

[foggy lodge]

Its mega can give it a niche if the conditions are the correct

[short quiver]

and za gave it parting shot didnt it

[foggy lodge]

If Incin is banned and fairy is not the most prominent type on a meta like reg H

It can do something

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[short quiver]

ill never have to use incinicringe

https://tenor.com/view/silk-song-hollow-knight-hornet-gif-2304813690984408828

i hope mawile keeps the elemental punches going into champions

[foggy lodge]

Does it really matter?

[short quiver]

yes

[foggy lodge]

Eh ig is a fine coverage

[short quiver]

huge power ice punch

[foggy lodge]

Play rough iron head protect and something more

Tho Incin exists so maybe you have to use swords dance LOL

[short quiver]

i plan to use it in rain so

cuz yk mawile no like fire

and if it keeps ice punch i get huge power ice punch to bitchslap ground types

[foggy lodge]

Hmm yeah you can do stuff into Incin with rain

And ice punch for the grass types

[short quiver]

I HOPE WE GET A NEW DRIZZLE MON IN GEN 10

pelipper politoed and kyogre is all we got 🥀

[foggy lodge]

Lowkey the bar to be better than Pelipper isn't even that high

Better than Kyogre I doubt but Kyogre is a restricted

[short quiver]

trust pelipper powercreep gen 10

[foggy lodge]

Like Pelipper doesn't have real stats

[dense latch]

peli's got a deep bag tbf

[foggy lodge]

But it has wide guard and drizzle is crazy good combo

[dense latch]

tailwind wide guard is a hard combo to find

[foggy lodge]

And the water flying coverage is amazing

[short quiver]

for rain tr im gonna have to use peli arent i

isnt politoed like 20 points faster or sm shit

[foggy lodge]

5 i think

Actually Politoed is 7-1 at LAIC somehow LMAO

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 279: Pelipper

Types

Water/Flying

Abilities

Keen Eye, Drizzle, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/50/100/95/70/65

Total

440

Sableye version 4.29.0

[dense latch]

yea 70 vs 65

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 186: Politoed

Type

Water

Abilities

Water Absorb, Damp, Drizzle (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/75/75/90/100/70

Total

500

Sableye version 4.29.0

[foggy lodge]

Dude @dense latch explain me that

[short quiver]

so im forced to use peli

[foggy lodge]

Why is Politoed over Blursa on that team💔💔💔

[dense latch]

agati magic

[dense latch]

lost a bet or something i dont know 😭

[foggy lodge]

Double weather is funny as hell

[short quiver]

why cant we have a really slow drizzle mon

[molten oasis]

Sorry what

[short quiver]

sun has torkoal wheres rain’s love

[foggy lodge]

Pelipper is quite slow

[dense latch]

rain has gotten a LOT of love

[foggy lodge]

Not super slow but

Its not fast either

And its chilan berry politoed dude LMAO

Does it even take a facade from ursa with the berry

I would doubt it

[short quiver]

I hope Champions has the national dex

[dense latch]

yea that too

[short quiver]

so i can make my team the way i want

[foggy lodge]

Eh it has to take it if Agati is running that berry

[dense latch]

HUGE REDUCTION ON FAKE OUT 🔥

[foggy lodge]

But it doesn't seem like a mon that can live it

Wait that's true

[dense latch]

it now does 3.5% instead of 7

[foggy lodge]

That berry gets eaten by a fake out LMAO

[molten oasis]

Bro thinks he’s part of the team

[foggy lodge]

Atleast its perish

[molten oasis]

At least

[foggy lodge]

The only niche of Politoed over Pelipper lol

[short quiver]

conflicting weather? hello?

[foggy lodge]

Its impossible to justify Politoed if its not for the perish

[dense latch]

wtf half of the peruvian players got stopped in 5-3 limbo 😭

[short quiver]

what about just disliking pelipper

[foggy lodge]

Then you go 2-4 drop

[short quiver]

in razor language please?

[foggy lodge]

And why would you dislike Pelipper tbh

Politoed was the og drizzle mon

[dense latch]

who pulled up to naic with this

[short quiver]

cuz its fucking stupid

[short quiver]

this some shit i would pull

[molten oasis]

It does look stupid

[foggy lodge]

Politoed vs Pelipper is a story of power gifted vs power gained by effort

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[dense latch]

were they playing through the game and happened to stumble upon naic

[short quiver]

i like politoed are you telling me i should try perish trap

[foggy lodge]

Can you even gert Rookidee early on SV

Wait it appears next to the Klawf nvm

[dense latch]

i'm surprised at how many 0-1 drops there were

[foggy lodge]

I'm going to break the switchs of all of them💔

[short quiver]

why

whats the matter here

my brain is fried from work

[foggy lodge]

Why would you travel and do all that work to go to LAIC and drop after the first round

[short quiver]

cuz they suck?

[foggy lodge]

Tbh I guess they had good reasons to maybe something more personal

But it reads so bad from the outside lol

[dense latch]

im looking at a chansey team rn

[foggy lodge]

Reg H is actually stale

Nothing new from LAIC

The only new thing is Agati's team and its just balance with Politoed slapped on kt

If you consider the Shiliang team as new maybe

But its just another flavor of DUG and its not really a new team

[short quiver]

game freak is so cruel for not having mawile in the game i start vgc in

[foggy lodge]

What incin + 5 team is going to win LAIC

The Nielsens team is also somewhat new

Tho they have been on this core of Blursa Sinistcha Mausape Incin since the first reg H run

[short quiver]

3 ghost types?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I thought that

This team used Dusclops and not P2 cuz oh it would be 3 normal types then

But with Dusclops is now 3 ghosts LMAO

[short quiver]

so its a lose lose either way

i mean im sure theyre managing their weaknesses just fine

[foggy lodge]

And this team loses so hard against Amoonguss

The only spore inmunities are the Sinistcha and tera grass Incin

[short quiver]

i wish id had a way to go to one of the reg h regionals i wanted to use ribombee

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-ribombee-please-survive-ribombee-please-survive-this-gif-1817000929884114750

[foggy lodge]

Reg H will stay as the only format where Ribombee was good

[short quiver]

im sure

[foggy lodge]

And the proof of why reg H is a fake format

[short quiver]

HEY

dont insult the little bee its not her fault 😔

[foggy lodge]

Its of her of sneasler of dusclops of charizard of a9

[short quiver]

okay bro i get that we still have genwunners glazing charizard

[solid frigate]

I’m just here minding my own business

[foggy lodge]

The only mon i really want to be good is Alcremie

And they gave its only good thing to Smeargle

[short quiver]

smeargle lurking in a corner

what was the point of them giving smeargle technician btw

what is that thing supposed to do with that

[foggy lodge]

Idk

It doesn't even make sense with its artist thing right?

[short quiver]

moody doesnt make sense either its not fucking Hwei from league of legends

[foggy lodge]

Actually yeah why does Smeargle have moody

[short quiver]

now grafaiai having prankster made sense

a graffiti artist pranking stuff. it makes perfect sense

where is smeargles logic at

[foggy lodge]

My pillow is warm im going to kill everyone

[short quiver]

what did i do

my room is hot lemme join you

i like my room ice cold

[solid frigate]

A mood of painting i guess

[short quiver]

that would make sense if different smeargles could have different color tails

which they dont 😔

[foggy lodge]

Remember when the anime gaslit us into thinking smeargles could have different inks

They had no reason to do that why did they do thag

[short quiver]

i mean theyre painters so surely they do

[foggy lodge]

But we only get green and red

And red is the shiny

[short quiver]

and whatever the shiny is

yeah 😔

NINTENDOOOOOO

[molten oasis]

I ain’t ever using smeargle so idc what they do with it

[timber schooner]

Definat used to be broken on smeargle

[foggy lodge]

Minior gets 7 different forms for no reason why doesn't Smeargle have different knks

[molten oasis]

Defiant???

[short quiver]

imagine they give it an evolution 🫠

[molten oasis]

When did smeargle have defiant???

[short quiver]

probably skill swap shenanigans

[molten oasis]

Unfortunately Minior is trash

[timber schooner]

I mean moody

[short quiver]

bro 💀

[molten oasis]

It, kinda can be

Suddenly being a super fast spore Mon is really scary

[foggy lodge]

i will die on the hill that removing evasion and accuracy from moody is a buff

[timber schooner]

Back in 2016 with dark void

[short quiver]

tbh they buffed it by removing evasion and accuracy now its more likely to roll speed or a defensive stat

[molten oasis]

Ok but you could get the evasion and accuracy boost

That’s why that was so crazy

[solid frigate]

I think we can all agree that everybody knows how the atrocities happen with Smeargle and we don’t talk about that

[molten oasis]

They nerfed moody and dark void for a reason

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/war-1000-yard-stare-gif-10147302364842942579

[molten oasis]

It’s much more tame now

[timber schooner]

It actually has a move it cant learn

[short quiver]

he said the forbidden words

[short quiver]

theres a few actually

[foggy lodge]

Accuracy and evasion made it more volatile to rng and funny things but the new moody pretty much secures something good

[tiny karma]

Move: Sketch

This move is permanently replaced by the last move used by the target. The copied move has the maximum PP for that move. Fails if the target has not made a move, if the user has Transformed, or if the move is Blazing Torque, Combat Torque, Dark Void, Hyperspace Fury, Magical Torque, Noxious Torque, Revival Blessing, Sketch, Struggle, Tera Starstorm, Wicked Torque, or any move the user knows.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

1 (1.6)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[solid frigate]

Yeah we don’t talk about the forbidden event

[next stump]

anyone know LAIC start time in EST?

[molten oasis]

It can’t learn revival blessing? Huh

[timber schooner]

I know it cant learn dark void anymore but that is the only one I know

[short quiver]

@timber schooner we do not speak of the horrors that happened 9 years ago

[foggy lodge]

The nerf moody needs is to give it a -1 and a +1 randomly

[molten oasis]

Tea starstorm makes sense

[tiny karma]

Move: Hyperspace Fury

Lowers the user's Defense by 1 stage. This move cannot be used successfully unless the user's current form, while considering Transform, is Hoopa Unbound. If this move is successful, it breaks through the target's Baneful Bunker, Detect, King's Shield, Protect, or Spiky Shield for this turn, allowing other Pokemon to attack the target normally. If the target's side is protected by Crafty Shield, Mat Block, Quick Guard, or Wide Guard, that protection is also broken for this turn and other Pokemon may attack the target's side normally.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

100

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

what would smeargle do with it anyways

[foggy lodge]

The trade of a +2 by a -1 is what makes it strong

[molten oasis]

Oh hoopa move ok

[foggy lodge]

Cuz suddenly Smeargle outspeeds scarf mons with the +2

[timber schooner]

That was hell in 2016

[solid frigate]

That one time i saw Smeragle clicked Glacial Lance on my Miraidon and i laughed so hard because of it lol

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/war-1000-yard-stare-gif-10147302364842942579

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen imprison lance and astral barrage before that was funny

[short quiver]

how much damage did it do i have to know

[solid frigate]

Yeah that set lmao

[foggy lodge]

3 move slots just for wide guard

[molten oasis]

It was still funny

[solid frigate]

Not even 10% iirc

[short quiver]

tbh even thats impressive

smeargles stats are dogshit

[short quiver]

literally 🥀

although ig with imprison you don’t need to spam wide guard

[solid frigate]

Opponents when I just Spam Hyper Voice:

[foggy lodge]

Wide guard is still better cuz it forces them to play a 50/50 of if you wide guard or not

[short quiver]

i love hyper voice

idk why its just funny to click

is there another type that has a move like eruption and water spout

[timber schooner]

Dazzling gleam

[short quiver]

what are you talking about bro

that is not like eruption and water spout

[timber schooner]

Regi Draco signature move is a dragon version

[solid frigate]

Not really besides Dragon Energy

Similar Base power like Blood Moon and Hyper Beam

But they are ST

And have other side effects

[short quiver]

dragon energy does less damage the lower health you have?

[timber schooner]

Yes

[short quiver]

🥀

[timber schooner]

Run smeargle with eruption water spout and dragon energy

[short quiver]

absolutely not

im probably better off running fire blast magby in the rain

i said fire blast specifically cuz it can miss

[solid frigate]

This chat is just WTF

[short quiver]

i asked an educational question and bro is straight trolling

[solid frigate]

Exactly that’s why this chat slowly getting dumber and dumber

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/manga-rascal-does-not-dream-of-bunny-girl-senpai-bunny-girl-senpai-anime-blush-gif-14746181

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-banjo-build-clown-cross-z-gif-20834514

[timber schooner]

What's with the lack of water spout mon

[short quiver]

because its good

[timber schooner]

Eruption has 20

[short quiver]

and like 2 of them are good

😐

[timber schooner]

3

[short quiver]

whos the third

[timber schooner]

Hisuan typlosion

[short quiver]

thats one of the 2 i was thinking of

[timber schooner]

What was the other

[short quiver]

torkoal

[timber schooner]

They should give primarina water spout

[short quiver]

hey @solid frigate do you think kantotales would be better if it had eruption

[short quiver]

they should give Meloetta Boomburst

[timber schooner]

They should give whimsicott dark void

[short quiver]

they should not

[cyan smelt]

Give smeargle back dark void, how bad can it be

[timber schooner]

Very

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-thousand-yard-stare-cat-soldier-cat-war-scared-gif-12439246475771371280

[cyan smelt]

It's funny though, I love smeargle

[short quiver]

i wasnt there…. but ive heard stories

[timber schooner]

I was

[cyan smelt]

Xerneas and smeargle were best buds

[short quiver]

and you still cant make a viable giratina set?

[solid frigate]

Probably not

[short quiver]

it would at least give it something to do 😀

[timber schooner]

Xerneas can go burn in hell

[solid frigate]

It would be still bad

[cyan smelt]

Why did they remove encore from kantotales anyway

[short quiver]

they removed encore?????????

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[short quiver]

NOOOOO

[solid frigate]

Anyways time to just

MEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[short quiver]

give my baby encore back

[timber schooner]

They should give it ghost as a secondary type for tails

[short quiver]

encore disable flashfire kanto tales

[short quiver]

they should not they should make it psychic

fire psychic

[timber schooner]

Fairy

[short quiver]

no

[timber schooner]

They should make delphox fire fairly

[cyan smelt]

Make it fire dark and give it parting shot

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-incineroar-pokemon-gif-15005636

[cyan smelt]

I used to hate incin but I love it now

[short quiver]

kantotales with parting shot would go crazy tho

[cyan smelt]

Give it something

[timber schooner]

Incin should get disable and encore

[short quiver]

literally anything 😔

[short quiver]

seems to me like someone is used to not having any friends 🥀

[timber schooner]

Maybe also dark void

[short quiver]

okay buddy

[cyan smelt]

Just let incin learn every move fuck it

[short quiver]

mew part 2

[timber schooner]

And no gaurd sheer cold

[cyan smelt]

Mew can only learn tms

[solid frigate]

That’s Arceus I guess

[short quiver]

oh yeah

anyways

they really should give kantotales SOMETHING

[timber schooner]

Give it a signature fire move that hits 9 times

[short quiver]

actually not a bad idea

[cyan smelt]

I have no idea why they removed encore from its move pool

[short quiver]

thats so rediculous

did it keep disable?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

Now a9 is strictly the better ninetales

[short quiver]

it has encore im looking at it rn

for SV

[cyan smelt]

It doesn't

[timber schooner]

It has healing wish

[short quiver]

right next to energy ball

also holy fuck this things movepool is deeper than rayquaza’s

[cyan smelt]

Oh wait yeah it can

Idk why I thought it lost it

[timber schooner]

Why do all rock types have thunder bolt and thunder

[cyan smelt]

Kantotales still needs something

[short quiver]

what if we got a sun version of aurora veil

[timber schooner]

The only reason that is ice exclusive is to keep it balanced

[cyan smelt]

Sun is already busted

[short quiver]

all the weathers are quite strong in their own ways

[cyan smelt]

The best paradoxes are the scarlet ones though

Specifically flutter and bolt

[short quiver]

with like 3 stragglers from violet

valiant bundle and hands

[cyan smelt]

Moon, flutter and bolt easily clear those

[timber schooner]

Why does rhydon learn fire blast thunder thunder bolt flame thrower surf dragon pulse with 45 special attack

[short quiver]

gen 1 pokemon try not to learn every single move in the game challenge impossible

[cyan smelt]

Same reason Gyarados learns all those moves

It was before the physical special split

[timber schooner]

Why do rock types have all special moves

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://pokemondb.net/pokedex/rampardos&ved=2ahUKEwiD46-MhIWRAxVjKVkFHStHJw8QFnoECEMQAQ&sqi=2&usg=AOvVaw2WzIaETtOc5nhV4fbFE-6q

[short quiver]

rock has the same issue as flying all of the moves are so inaccurate

[timber schooner]

Move pool

[cyan smelt]

Actually do U think iron boulder is viable in reg f

[solid frigate]

I used Iron Boulder in Reg G Lmfao

[short quiver]

i think i was used before wasnt it

[cyan smelt]

I low-key love iron boulder

Mighty cleave seems fun

[short quiver]

i like verizion wireless

[timber schooner]

Agree

[cyan smelt]

laughs in 4x U-turn weak

[solid frigate]

It’s not that good

[short quiver]

somethings are worth sacrificing for

[short quiver]

i didnt say it was good i said it was used

[cyan smelt]

What's it even hitting with psyblade, it can't hit the chien paos and incins and rilla overwrites its boosts unless you use BE

[short quiver]

i need to find my iron leaves

[short quiver]

it can bitchslap chipao with megahorn (assuming it doesnt miss)

[timber schooner]

I have one

[cyan smelt]

Isn't chien pao sash usually

[short quiver]

usually yes

[tiny karma]

Iron Leaves's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Brick Break, Close Combat, Double-Edge, Facade, False Swipe, Giga Impact, Leaf Blade, Megahorn, Night Slash, Psyblade, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Reversal, Sacred Sword, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Take Down, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, Wild Charge, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Air Slash, Energy Ball, Focus Blast, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Calm Mind, Coaching, Electric Terrain, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Leer, Metal Sound, Protect, Psychic Terrain, Quash, Quick Guard, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Leaves.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't it usually have sucker punch

[short quiver]

iron leaves gets quick attack

[cyan smelt]

Isn't chien pao ghost tera

Anyway this is getting too subjective and whatever it is Mika says

[short quiver]

id like to try iron crown psyspam tho

ive heard its quite fun

[cyan smelt]

I want to try iron boulder

But rock is always such a bad typing

Boulder has such a bad typing

[timber schooner]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoHg5SJYRHA0&ved=2ahUKEwiGvvq0hYWRAxWAFmIAHUYhJXAQwqsBegQIERAB&usg=AOvVaw0mZdY4jTnKHqwk07LTTExU

[short quiver]

would iron crown in psy always use booster energy

[cyan smelt]

Yes I think so

You want to be as fast as possible

[short quiver]

[cyan smelt]

Let's see what boulder is weak to, rilla, incin, urshifu, flutter, chi yu, chien pao, ting lu, landorus and I'm sure there's more

[short quiver]

what isnt iron boulder weak to

i cant lie rock psychic is NOT good typing

[cyan smelt]

It's terrible

[timber schooner]

Ice bug

[short quiver]

do NOT insult frosmoth

[rustic mountain]

https://x.com/iGreg7/status/1991525463035113990?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

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X · Nov 20, 2025, 3:14 PM

[cyan smelt]

At least it's not weak to a9

[timber schooner]

Snom is the king

[short quiver]

so why did you say something about ice bug

[timber schooner]

Meme

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fern-anger-angry-annoyed-gif-5137243747516951410

[cyan smelt]

That's what boulder is not weak to

[timber schooner]

Not going actually is worst type in the game bug/ice

[short quiver]

im sure theres worse typing

[cyan smelt]

Also boulder is physical psychic and physical psychic moves suck

[short quiver]

probably something to do with grass

[timber schooner]

Nope it has the most weaknesses

[cyan smelt]

Idk what boulder would run, mighty cleave, close combat and idk what 3rd move

[timber schooner]

Tackle

[short quiver]

it only has 4 2 regular 2 4x

theres a worse typing i’m sure of it

[cyan smelt]

Psycho cut probably

[timber schooner]

It is ranked the worst type

[short quiver]

i vote ice grass as the worst type

7 weaknesses