competitive_discussion

[stone trellis]

Why would you need to sign up two whole months before the event?

[primal saddle]

is reg f bo3 or bo1

[stone trellis]

?

There's never a Bo3 ladder in-game.

Offline tournaments will most likely be Bo3 as they have been for years.

[molten oasis]

So they can get a count on who’s showing up probably

[cyan smelt]

Hearthflame seems fun to use

[molten oasis]

Among other things

[solid frigate]

Hoo boi

Have to decide EUIC or Rerun

[next stump]

signups are refundable which is nice

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2484453896-vlrwhrfdr9rv4pmp86vw970mnngbbw4pw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2484462581

[solid frigate]

Yeah just dunno which I wanna choose this time

Kinda want to go to EUIC cuz I haven’t been to London

[next stump]

EUIC is soooo much cooler

[solid frigate]

Agreed and probably give me a better challenge

Cuz most of my misplays can be avoided in bham and potentially get day 2

Would be cool if I can get there before going back to Hong Kong in March

[real prairie]

FFS was hoping it would be first week of December, I dont have the money yet

[timber yarrow]

is there any reason why my opponent disconnect from the battle when i bring out an Ursaluna with normal typing with facade

[real prairie]

do they re-connect or just leave?

[next stump]

🙁 hopefully they don’t sell out

[real prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EiAOY-lIzTk

[timber yarrow]

ends up leaving

[real prairie]

rage quit

[timber yarrow]

do they really hate ursaluna that badly

[real prairie]

depends on the position of the game, if they know they can't win, yeah.

[timber yarrow]

the team i use is ursaluna,dragonite,hisuian samurott but it's enough to make someone rage quit

[real prairie]

unusual team comp, singles or doubles?

[timber yarrow]

double

[real prairie]

very interesting

[timber yarrow]

usually they are my single team battle

full team comp of hisuian

[real prairie]

some people also just quit against teams they feel are not worth adding to their PASRS

[next stump]

are you attending EUIC jack?

[real prairie]

Assuming I can get a place yeah

sold out in 10 minutes last year

[timber yarrow]

should i use diffrent pokemon team that doesn't make someone rage quit

[next stump]

yeah it’s ridiculous

[real prairie]

nah just carry on

[rustic mountain]

wen is euic

[real prairie]

Feb

[rustic mountain]

oh so reg f

[real prairie]

valentines i think 🤣

[rustic mountain]

damn lol

[real prairie]

yeah

[real prairie]

If it were reg G id bring Luvdisc for the lols

[timber yarrow]

how about hisuian braviary,sneasel,growlithe,zorua,goodra,wyrdeer?

[rustic mountain]

i think its fine to use w/e if they ragequit its on them

[timber yarrow]

are all hisuian really that op if used in single battle

[next stump]

valentines weekend pog

[real prairie]

Good weekend to reclaim my title

[rustic mountain]

no ursa is like the best hisuan mon

some others like sneasler and harc have done well but not every hisuan form is good

[real prairie]

If i can day 2 B'ham, ill do EUIC in miror B cosplay lol

[timber yarrow]

how about hisuian avalugg or Decidueye

[real prairie]

avalugg bad, Decidueye has its use cases

where exactly are you playing btw, on Showdown?

[timber yarrow]

no

is hisuian avalugg really that bad in rank match

[molten oasis]

Yes

Avalugg is pretty bad

[rustic mountain]

very bad id say

[timber yarrow]

oh i see, i'm going to take that pokemon off of my team build

i'll just focus on working on other hisuian variant such as samurott and braviary

[next stump]

you might be the first person in this chat to ever want to make their team consciously worse

[timber yarrow]

how so?

are they really that bad in competitive?

[next stump]

most people here enjoy winning

[timber yarrow]

trying to build a team that can make someone instant rage quit

[solid frigate]

Fuck no please

Don’t hurt yourself

[solid frigate]

Unless that’s a playthrough team then yes they are horrible

[molten oasis]

Muk smeargle your welcome

[lofty tartan]

People aren't gonna do that. No strategy is unbeatable, and if there was a full "instant rage quit" team, players better than us would be using it.

So people usually just prefer to play it out with their stat blocks.

[next stump]

back on top 😎

[foggy lodge]

Holy shit

[rigid crane]

After 2 weeks, I made it out of rank 10

[molten oasis]

The goat, congrats man

[real prairie]

Swift swim entrainment with specs kyogre 👀

[shadow wind]

Forgot how good Hades 2 was, I will be taking a prolonged break from the ladder

I've been set free from VGC for now

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-send-you-to-jesus-gif-25078050

[stone trellis]

One singular Miraidon with Discharge:

[real prairie]

Always lead Chien-Pao into Miradon teams

[cyan smelt]

And have rilla in the back

[real prairie]

i dont like the Gorilla

[cyan smelt]

I do

I like monke

[real prairie]

although its still funny Rillaboom is based on Phil Collins Cadbury commercial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAOZ14Tjg7A

[cyan smelt]

Ok that might be my favourite pokemon creation backstory

Ok I want to use rilla + hearthflame now, double grassy glide sounds super fun

[bold geode]

Damn you found videos of my early band days
Crazy

[stone trellis]

Trust me, it's great.

I've been using it for a total of one day and I love that shit.

[real prairie]

Ill take the free points https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2484887336-t8gnuixlvdrmmdkkhhklr2258gm7pb0pw

[stone trellis]

This team is fine, but I really need to work on improving it.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2484916464

[rare pumice]

did palkia see any play in the latest official format it was allowed in?

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2484918189-pnd77gl6yu5mpmhxq8jdhk4n8lif9unpw

[stone trellis]

And normal Palkia's latest available results are from 2022, despite the fact that it was legal in 2024 and 2025.

So that should tell you enough about its viability nowadays.

[rare pumice]

yea i guess i'm not surprised

i'm looking to get started more seriously in competitive, and i think i'd like to stick to try out smogon rulesets for the time being, does anybody recommend any specific formats in gen 8 or 9? i'm looking for one that i think is less centralized i think

[stone trellis]

Centralisation is kind of inevitable.

Even in formats like SV OU, there's very clearly some Pokemon which just do their job better than others.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2484928764-edqd6w88p39dwojrnmjkvjvms76i4hwpw

[next stump]

if you’re looking for support from this chat, i’d stick to VGC (the official in person competitive format). Not many people here play or can help with alternative formats

[rare pumice]

oh, i thought that kind of stuff was common here, sorry

[stone trellis]

It's fine, it's the owners' fault for not changing this chat's name to "VGC discussion".

[rare pumice]

is vgc just the same ruleset as what ever the current format available is?

[stone trellis]

It's kind of weird right now.

[rare pumice]

is that because z-a just came out?

[stone trellis]

There are two formats in VGC at this moment.

[foggy lodge]

In game ladder uses regulation J which is kind of a burger of nothing format cuz it allows mythicals and nobody likes mythicals

And more importantly because official tournaments do not use this regulation and instead use reg H

Which is becoming reg F in like two weeks

[stone trellis]

"Boo hoo, I hate restricteds because muh overcentralisation. Anyway, let me play with my super creative A9 balance team in Reg H"

(This is not a shot at you, I'm mocking everyone who thinks Reg H is some God-given miracle compared to I/J)

[foggy lodge]

I didn't use A9 I used Smeargle

[rare pumice]

is reg f a non restricted format?

[foggy lodge]

More respect please

[stone trellis]

Yeah, everything except for restricteds is allowed.

And mythicals are obviously not allowed either.

[stone trellis]

^

[rare pumice]

but this is just for tournaments right? the in game ladder is staying reg j?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[stone trellis]

Yeah, as far as I'm aware.

[foggy lodge]

I don't really know how much people play in game ladder atp tbh so

[stone trellis]

You'll have to use Showdown if you want to test your Reg F teams.

[foggy lodge]

I can't tell you if you'll even find matches there

[stone trellis]

It seems like a super fun regulation so far.

I just need to figure out what's good and what isn't and get used to the meta.

[rare pumice]

idk i still find raid battle partners in sw/sh so i guess it's worth trying at least

[molten oasis]

It’s better than reg I and J doesn’t mean any of those formats are good lol

[stone trellis]

That's a null point.

[molten oasis]

F is a good format

[stone trellis]

I literally said the same thing as you.

But yeah, F seems great.

[rare pumice]

wasn't reg h the sneasler reg?

[molten oasis]

It’s a much more fun format imo

[stone trellis]

I really wanna get good, but it feels like none of the popular teams click with me.

[molten oasis]

Yes

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[stone trellis]

Yeah, H was the Sneasler-Dragonite-UBM-Gholdengo format.

[rare pumice]

i think i remember a handful of archaludon/pelipper teams too back then

[stone trellis]

Dragonite's the only one who's still good in both H and F, quite frankly.

[foggy lodge]

Reminder that Incin has won every single tournament of reg H

Incin + 5 mons is the call

[stone trellis]

Anyway, I really feel like my team's missing something and I just can't figure out what that is.

[molten oasis]

Bloodmoon and Dengo are still good mons

[rare pumice]

i'm really bad at teambuilding since i've never been super seriously committed in the past, i dislike just basing my teams off other teams, but i'm also bad at reading meta games

[molten oasis]

They’re not insane like they were in h but they have usage. Blursa’s good with Fari and Dengo’s still a good pick for balance

[stone trellis]

We'll be great partners, you and I.

I know the teams, you know how to play.

[molten oasis]

Gotta play the meta to learn the meta

[rare pumice]

i remember having a gliscor that was the bane of all sneasler at the very least

[stone trellis]

Yeah, Gliscor's biggest problem is that Sneasler loves A9.

And a bunch of other things which can tank Gliscor and potentially KO it before it KOs them.

[rare pumice]

sneasler is sort of just the upgraded hawlucha set isn't it?

[stone trellis]

It actually has a few viable sets.

[rare pumice]

i think the one i came across most often was unburden + seed

[stone trellis]

There are also Focus Sash sets.

[rare pumice]

that's what dual wingbeat was for on my gliscor i think

unless it terastalized i guess but i have a habit of forgetting to take gimmicks into account until i'm in front of them

[stone trellis]

Anyway, do you want to build for Reg H or Reg F?

[rare pumice]

i think i'd prefer reg h, i dislike having to build around ice rider

[stone trellis]

Reg F has no Ice Rider.

[rare pumice]

or wait i got confused, sorry

i thought reg i for a second for some reason

[stone trellis]

It's fine, I've made worse mistakes.

Let's take this to DMs so we don't flood chat or whatever.

[rare pumice]

ok

[foggy lodge]

You just have to look at tournament results

[rare pumice]

what was the website for that again? it was hall of fame or something wasn't it

[foggy lodge]

Use top cut explorer

[real prairie]

anyone wanna help me build for reg F?

only 1 obvious requirement

[vernal shadow]

Is that the upcoming one ?

I'm trying that too. Getting my last ribbon on my Pokémon is rough in J with the power level of some teams

[real prairie]

yeah

[vernal shadow]

I'm super excited. Gonna try ttar and chomp. Problem is, I like to shiny when putting effort into a comp set. Problem being theyre both so subtle

Gibble is worse ofc but still

[real prairie]

Not the best idea for reg F with Fluttermane causing chaos

[vernal shadow]

Nah, it's fine. Team is fine with flutter. The shinies and the zard are what I've got. Heavy wip theory team atm

[upper zealot]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/6913ca9bb11d3f5498bbc1ef/details if you guys are free december 6th, you should join this. $1500 prizepool for a limitless is insane and its gonna be amazing practice probably

[stone trellis]

We have to pay to join, don't we?

It's either that or we have to be adults/have a bank account in order to play.

Either way, I'm cooked.

[next stump]

99% sure it’s free

[stone trellis]

OH MY GOD I LOVE YOU PELIPPER
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2485009087

THAT'S MY FUCKING GOAT

LANDS A 50% ACC MOVE AND OHKOs IN THE WORST ENDGAME POSSIBLE YES SIRRRRR

[molten oasis]

If only I wasn’t working

[upper zealot]

free

i assume youd need cashapp or paypal or something to get the money though

[stone trellis]

Fuck me then.

[bold geode]

You gonna run it?

[next stump]

I think so, if I can

[upper zealot]

i mean if you win money surely you can ask a parent/guardian to redeem it for you no?

[bold geode]

I literally put in time off for it

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[fallen dove]

imma get absolutely destroyed but hey we hope

[bold geode]

Hey
Go in, give it your best and remember that the big names in there are people just like me and you

[fallen dove]

fss
j gotta remember: when theres a raging bolt, theres a way

[bold geode]

Real

[fallen dove]

simply get to +3 CM

[bold geode]

Simply set up 4 Calm Minds and we're Golden

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/pietrofieroVGC/status/1991183673970864613?s=20

what

[next stump]

insane playmate

playmats*

[shadow wind]

Holy those are sick

[molten oasis]

That’s sick

[shadow wind]

Drago you played silk song right?

[molten oasis]

80 hours yes

90 actually

[shadow wind]

Gamer

You think it's game of the year?

[molten oasis]

Personally? Yes

Realistically? No its E33

[shadow wind]

Yeah that ones definitely going to win

[molten oasis]

I played both

[shadow wind]

Oh nice

I never played E33

[molten oasis]

I had much more fun with Silksong but E33 did so much right

[shadow wind]

But I did play Hades 2

[molten oasis]

I haven’t gotten there yet but I wanna play it

It looks awesome

[shadow wind]

Oh man it's so good

Did you ever play the first game?

[molten oasis]

https://x.com/andybakesyt/status/1990983170569707902?s=46

SlowHomie (@AndyBakesYT)

VGC hot take of the day: I would rather gouge my eyes out with a dull spoon than play Calm Mind Tera Fairy Raging Bolt

X · Nov 19, 2025, 3:19 AM

[molten oasis]

Yeah I beat, Hades(?) a few times

[shadow wind]

Nice

[foggy lodge]

This but replace calm mind tera fairy raging bolt with scarlet violet as a whole

[shadow wind]

Hades 2 goes off that and makes everything better

So true

[molten oasis]

Okay but, at least it’s Reg F

[foggy lodge]

Okay but

[molten oasis]

We could be back in Reg I

[foggy lodge]

Its still scarlet violet

[molten oasis]

Fair I’m sick of Tera

I wanna surging strikes the lando and incin without worrying about Tera

[foggy lodge]

I want megas

[molten oasis]

I also wanna play megas

[foggy lodge]

SV will die and we never had a no tera format lmfaooo

[shadow wind]

I want to NEVER SEE TERA AGAIN

[foggy lodge]

They just hated us

[molten oasis]

They’ll bring it back

Probably not for a while

[shadow wind]

An unfortunate truth

[molten oasis]

We’re probably gonna be in megas for a couple years at least

[foggy lodge]

Dinamax is also gonna come back at some point

We have to swallow that pill

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/call-me-carson-carson-crying-carson-crying-minecraft-gif-15042578

Idc if that’s where Zac will be best I hated Dynamax

The 2 weeks I played it it was miserable

[foggy lodge]

What is worse for cts

[shadow wind]

Primal Groudon 🙏

[molten oasis]

Tera

[foggy lodge]

Tera or z moves

[molten oasis]

Tera

[shadow wind]

Z moves 🤪

[molten oasis]

Playing 2018 I don’t feel like CTS was that bad

Tera CTS fucking sucks

[shadow wind]

I'd rather play Z moves CTS than Tera CTS

[foggy lodge]

Fair

[molten oasis]

Like “the shifu is Tera fire HAHA!”

That sucks

[shadow wind]

The Raging Bolt is Tera fairy

[molten oasis]

It’s a guessing game of 19 types

[shadow wind]

Gun to my head

[molten oasis]

Zmoves usually played on their typings

[foggy lodge]

I can't wait for tera to be gone and the ingame ladder and gcs finally be real battles❤️

[shadow wind]

Yeah like Z moves can be dumb but also they make sense

[shadow wind]

What you don't like gambling?

[molten oasis]

I wish ingame ladder wasn’t reg j man

[foggy lodge]

Its crazy that tournaments used to be cts

Imagine being on worlds and losing because the whimsicott had a z move

[molten oasis]

I’ll enjoy reg f but

I’m very ready to move on

[shadow wind]

Even thinking about tera is making me die inside

Back to hades 2

[molten oasis]

lol

[foggy lodge]

No one really wants to play sv tbh

How many years since the vgc moved to sv?

[molten oasis]

I would have stopped if it was restricted again

[wild knot]

https://twitter.com/moggyoh/status/1991526826834030899

Moggy VGC ➡️PAX East 2026 (@MoggyOh)

Since it's almost Raging Bolt season again, here's a reminder...

X · Nov 20, 2025, 3:19 PM

[molten oasis]

4

[foggy lodge]

💔💔💔💔💔

[molten oasis]

Yep.

[foggy lodge]

Atleast we had different formats

VGC used to be one format for the whole year

[molten oasis]

Oh yeah formats used to last a year

That would have sucked so much this game

[next stump]

I think it’s been 3 years of SV right? 2022 fall?

[molten oasis]

I’m like 90% sure it was 2021 lemme double check. It has felt longer than 3 years

[foggy lodge]

It was 2022

[molten oasis]

Nah I’m dumb

Has only been 3 years but it feels like 4 🥀

[foggy lodge]

Fs

Why couldn't they release champions on january man

[molten oasis]

Probably isn’t ready

[next stump]

I know :/ and it’s not shaping up to be ready in February either

[molten oasis]

March most likely which is, so close yet so far

[next stump]

Like it has to be ready for Spring because no way Worlds is the first tournament on it

[molten oasis]

That would be wild

[foggy lodge]

NAIC at minimum

[molten oasis]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

It was confirmed that reg F was the last regulation in SV

[molten oasis]

Which ends in march

I think

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

So far away

[next stump]

so much is still unknown about the game, i wonder when we get another trailer

[upper zealot]

cant save its teammates though

[next stump]

Also - LAIC stream in a little over 12 hours!

Can marcofiero complete the 3 peat

[bold geode]

Doesn't he already have 3 ICs or am I crazy?

[dense latch]

yeah but one is OCIC

he has two LAIC wins

[bold geode]

Gavin Michaels won OCIC no?

[dense latch]

marco won OCIC in 2020 iirc

[bold geode]

I see

[timber schooner]

Could someone help me with my team please

[next stump]

yeah, send the paste here

[timber schooner]

I suck at team buildings

https://pokepast.es/5790eb75b912bd5e

[next stump]

what format are you aiming to play?

[timber schooner]

J

[next stump]

ooo sorry, I haven't played any of that format. From what I know, you're not going to have a competitive team at all without filling your two restricted slots

With either restricted legendaries or mythicals

[molten oasis]

I wouldn’t use any of these mons honestly

I’d suggest looking for rentals from Cybertron or checking #rental_teams

[timber schooner]

This team is just for fun really

[molten oasis]

Are you sure you’re gonna have fun with mons that just, struggle into everything?

If you’re really gonna commit to that add CSR and probably Zama

[solid frigate]

Copperajah is kinda just Zama but worse

A lot worse than Kommo-o

[next stump]

I love IC stream days because we get a whole extra day of swiss

it’s beautiful

I can blow off my work tomorrow and just watch pokemon

[cyan smelt]

I feel like I've been focused solely on pokemon for a long time so I've had tunnel vision, been making an effort to do other stuff and it's refreshing

[dense latch]

getting some ic action on a friday always feels great

finals are more hype too with all the build up

[foggy lodge]

Does Marco do it again or not

My bet is that he doesn't

[real prairie]

Annoyingly due to the time difference it all kicks off after I finish work 😭

[real prairie]

2 of my 3 work projects just got cancelled so I literally get to spend the whole day doing fuck all now, time for some more team building

[cyan smelt]

More ludicolo, epic

[stone trellis]

I genuinely don't know what to build around in Reg F.

[real prairie]

this!

[solid frigate]

Don’t worry

It took me 20 days to find my best matched team

[cyan smelt]

I'd use sandy shocks were it not for the prevalence of rilla and urshifu

[next stump]

round 1 starting

[stone trellis]

They got Mr. Lima's item icons mixed up with those of Justin Tang.

[foggy lodge]

lmfao

[stone trellis]

FUCK WHY DID YOU POST IT BEFORE ME

[foggy lodge]

I'm faster

🔥

[solid frigate]

Ice Type Moonblast lmfao

[foggy lodge]

Why was there no sunny day??

[fallen dove]

i j played out of my mind against priority spam

i won with incin rilla firepon and urshifuwater against dnite pao entei rilla

j targeted down the entei and rilla until i had a full hp urshifu and low hp rilla against entei and pao

won with grassy glide surging double into entei

and then close combat into pao after ursh lived two icicle crashes

[stone trellis]

We should work together to make a team or something.

I like rain, you like rain too.

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Ice Spinner vs. 236 HP / 164+ Def Tera Grass Politoed: 164-194 (84.1 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This seems interesting enough.

116+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sludge Bomb vs. 236 HP / 4 SpD Tera Grass Politoed: 159-187 (81.5 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[real prairie]

Im down

yeah politoed is goated for surviving a hit, i tend to just run specs Toed but interested to see what else we can cook up

[stone trellis]

Since I've already given it so much bulk, we might as well grant it a Sitrus Berry or the Leftovers.

I feel like it has a good enough move pool to be really capable as an offensive support who also just takes hits really well.

[real prairie]

I was considering something like this: https://pokepast.es/c5fc7526a436cedb

[stone trellis]

The three Water types + two Water-Grass types is what concerns me.

Are Ludicolo and Wellspring both required?

[bold geode]

I think you'd do better with Eject Pack honestly
Also you can probably do Incin Amoonguss Archaludon Landorus here low-key

[stone trellis]

Cooking.

Would Arch be Stamina or Sturdy?

[bold geode]

Stamina

@foggy lodge why is Marco bald

[foggy lodge]

An evil witch took all his hair

[bold geode]

Real

[foggy lodge]

He went from the mullet to bald💔

[dense latch]

bald season took over eu vgc

[stone trellis]

Arch's one problem is living Modest Lorb EP from Lando.

116+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 204 HP / 180+ SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 159-190 (83.2 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(Bare minimum if you want to even think of surviving that shit btw)

[bold geode]

Why you tera or have Landorus
You never reasonably live that

[stone trellis]

Fair.

But AV is kind of a problem since it disables Protect.

[foggy lodge]

I don't like this Sneasler set

[stone trellis]

And I can't really think of any other good items Stamina Arch can hold.

[foggy lodge]

Is useless against intimidate

[bold geode]

Don't need it
You carry Protect on Poli
Amoonguss
Honestly I think I'd want Ludi to run like Loaded Dice and have Protect maybe? Eh probably can't afford Protect meaning you'd need Protect on Landorus

[stone trellis]

What other attack should I even calc Arch for?

+3 100+ SpA Raging Bolt Dragon Pulse vs. 236 HP / 52 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 162-192 (83 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Found it.

What moves should it have?

[bold geode]

Shot/Flash/Dragon move/Body Press really

[stone trellis]

Yeah, fair.

Should I go with DPulse to prevent drops?

[bold geode]

Sure

[stone trellis]

The problem with adding all of the things you suggested is that it only leaves me with one physical attacker.

[foggy lodge]

Why no CC into the Ribombee

With CC you cover the Incin switch

[bold geode]

Yeah CC into Dnite made no sense

[real prairie]

they go well with each other due to water absorb

can spam surfs

its very BO1 though

[stone trellis]

The idea of Politoed, Lando and Arch seems solid to me.

The rest is very iffy.

[bold geode]

Idt you want Wellspring there
Honestly probably want a supportive Ludi set here or whatever
Bullet/Fake Out/Icy/Water move?

[stone trellis]

So now I have to decide what the rest of the team will have.

I need two more physical attackers if we count Arch as one, since he's mixed.

[bold geode]

Actually low-key you probably don't need Incin or Amoonguss
Idea maybe

[real prairie]

If you are doing that, Just go back to this:

https://pokepast.es/c5fc7526a436cedb

[bold geode]

Rockpon for Amoonguss

Supportive Ludi
The Poli with Eject Pack
Landorus
Arch
Rockpon

• 1

[stone trellis]

That seems somewhat solid.

[real prairie]

the wellspring idea was purely for surf spam ludicolo

which tbf probably works better with Kingra

[bold geode]

Yeah I think you might want something supportive cuz like
Especially with Poli over Peli you probably want some speed control there

[real prairie]

thus this idea instead:

[bold geode]

And Fake Out/Icy/Bullet Seed if you have Arch kind of just
Packages shit

[foggy lodge]

Wait why Politoed and not Peli

[stone trellis]

Can Pelipper tank a super effective Ice Spinner from Chien-Pao?

[bold geode]

That's the Specs variant Jack

[foggy lodge]

Its not super effective

[real prairie]

probably, it has higher base DEF

[stone trellis]

Yeah, fair.

70/100 is better than 90/70 for physical hits.

[bold geode]

That's showing me Specs Ludi LOL

[real prairie]

what lol

one sec

[stone trellis]

Generally, having higher Defense/Sp. Def is like 10% better than having higher HP for individual calcs.

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/6d2f233cb71d8a2a

[waxen dock]

mons like blursa and basc are realy just clicking buttons

[foggy lodge]

Fs

[bold geode]

Yeah something like that
Though does Ludi have Icy?

[stone trellis]

Think it does.

It does.

[real prairie]

it does, ive always prefered encore

[bold geode]

Ah
Rockpon
Tornadus
Arch
Poli
Ludi
Lando
There's something

Actually you know what you can do

One other path/option is you can take the Specs off Poli and go Scarf Landorus so you can just swap in Poli and Sandsear

Though Specs might work
Probably want 3 Protects on this team

[real prairie]

i enjoyed specs, but that was reg H, reg F probably want to go protective

[stone trellis]

You always want 3-4 Protects.

[real prairie]

but then you end up with 2 supports next to each other with Ludi+Poli

unless you are committing to always turn 1 switch into Arch for the stamina proct

[bold geode]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm
6 7

[real prairie]

im too old for that shit Monke

[stone trellis]

So we just don't use Ludicolo...

[real prairie]

You don't have to, yeah

[stone trellis]

There is a better Swift Swim abuser...

[bold geode]

Ok Unc it's time for nap time

[real prairie]

Ooo yay

love nap time

[bold geode]

Take your pills now
Your melatonin

[stone trellis]

One who just so happens to have the highest Speed of all Water types, on top of a great offensive movepool.

[real prairie]

I really don't need any help sleeping, can sleep in 10 mins at any location

nodded off in a nightclub once next to the speaker

[bold geode]

Bro nah

It's just blaring The Hills just bass thru the fucking roof and you're just snoring

[stone trellis]

He is so fast that even while completely uninvested, he outspeeds Booster 252 Timid Flutter as long as rain is up.

By five whole points.

And he's a Galar native.

[real prairie]

CORRECT

assume if you are dropping ludicolo you just go Urshifu

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I was just trying to shill Barraskewda.

So we currently have Arch, Politoed, Landorus and Urshifu.

Do I go Lorb Lando + Scarf Shifu or Scarf Lando + Sash Shifu?

[real prairie]

ScarfShifu i think, with helping hand politoed it could do bits

[rustic mountain]

dude wtf happened to pokemons broadcast, rewatching round 1 why am i hearing all the arena noise?

[stone trellis]

And we can go with Tera Grass to avoid Amoonguss' fuckery.

[real prairie]

LAIC is done through a 3rd party, always more budget

[rustic mountain]

or not round 1 its like more into the stream actually

[rustic mountain]

dude this is really bad

[real prairie]

Infrastructure issues

[rustic mountain]

oof

dont remember it ever being like this

[stone trellis]

All we need now is someone that can either redirect or support the team in some other way.

https://tenor.com/view/amoonguss-pokemon-fungus-my-beloved-amoongus-my-beloved-gif-12480269779708604969

Pollen Puff + Arch would be cracked in certain cases.

[bold geode]

Bro Eric Rios on stream
Can't wait to see him throw

(He lost this match apparently)

[real prairie]

you really are a generational hater

[stone trellis]

Like wow, you've done all this work to get me down to 40%? Eat shit, motherfucker.

[bold geode]

Bro watching Eric Rios play genuinely pisses me off

[stone trellis]

Why?

[bold geode]

He plays

EXTREMELY passive

[real prairie]

same as life dew Macha pot

[bold geode]

I've watched him throw so many games cuz he didn't go on the offensive

[stone trellis]

So the opposite of me.

I lose games because I'm too offensively minded.

[bold geode]

See the thing that makes me so mad is that he's been in the scene for so long

Like some of the mistakes I see him make like
You should know better

[stone trellis]

Now I just neeed to figure out who the final physical attacker will be.

It'd be really fucking funny if I gave Landorus access to Sludge Wave so it could spam that shit next to Arch...

[bold geode]

@real prairie here it comes
Get ready for the wipe LOL

[real prairie]

I'm not watching lol

[bold geode]

Oh to basically sum it up
He led Rilla Kommo-O into Incin Dnite and had to double switch immediately

[foggy lodge]

Double weather

[real prairie]

Inner focus Dnite?

[bold geode]

Nah
Just kinda can't do much of shit there

[real prairie]

Exchange fake outs and switch out Komoo at least

[bold geode]

Can't set up without taking damage or getting Faked Out
Rilla can't do shit

[foggy lodge]

And eat a flare blitz

[real prairie]

Tera fire then?

[foggy lodge]

You can't tera rilla

[real prairie]

But yeah shit position to be in

[foggy lodge]

If you force the tera on the rilla on that match up you insta win

[bold geode]

That was kinda cute and funny ngl
Just fucking up and translating to not translate

[steady cove]

Commissioning someone to make me a ranked 3v3 or casual 6v6 team that can defeat Miraidon and other overpowered pokemon consistently.
The team must include Charizard, Zoroark, and Serperior.
If the other 3 members of the team that you choose do not look cool to me, I will reject them, and you will have to choose something else to fill that role.

[twin falcon]

Real currency cannot be used anywhere on the server, please keep our #rules in mind.
You can ask someone to make you a ranked team but you'll have to place your request in the #1112832566261731328 and then offer pokemon/items in exchange.

[steady cove]

That's why I didn't mention real currency.

[twin falcon]

Good to know, but my second point still applies

[steady cove]

I'm not trying to trade tho. I will train the pokemon myself. I just want a pokepaste or ideas on what to build. Lol

[twin falcon]

Oh I see

[steady cove]

I never use this competitive channel. Now I have a reason.

[fallen dove]

charizard and zoroark you COULD make work. serperior…is a little harder ahahah

[foggy lodge]

LORCY 4-0

Wait this Politoed is the normal type berry

[tiny karma]

Item: Chilan Berry

Halves damage taken from a Normal-type attack. Single use.

Natural Gift

80 Power Normal-type.

Fling

10 Power

Introduced

Generation 4

Sableye version 4.29.0

[foggy lodge]

How do you plan this

[forest arrow]

LETS GO LORCY 🗣️

[foggy lodge]

Another lead of 50/50s

You can do Rilla Volca but the Maushold is taunt and they can do Mausape

Ugh idk

I don't like dengo into Mausape

Dnite Ursa is fine too I think

Yeah Dnite Ursa

[forest arrow]

Idt crit mattered

It’s a Bloodmoon from Ursaluna

[foggy lodge]

+2 make it rain + bloodmoon into Dusclops and it wasn't even close to killing💔💔💔

Its over

Sinistcha wins

[forest arrow]

All up to dire claw hax

para bro

Dragonite pls lock in

let’s go Dragonite

[foggy lodge]

NOOO ITS MAUSAPE NOW

[forest arrow]

Js Mausape eats his team up

[steady cove]

Yeah... lol

[stone trellis]

Mr. Lorcy is starting to become one of my favorite players.

That game 3 was really well played on both sides.

I really need to get one final Pokemon on my team.

[foggy lodge]

Fr

[stone trellis]

What's a physical attacker who destroys Flutter Mane and Whimsicott while also not caring about Prankster?

[foggy lodge]

He almost got a round 1 loss because the uber arrived at the wrong venue lol

[stone trellis]

Crazy.

[foggy lodge]

Incin tbh

[stone trellis]

Incin in a rain team?

[foggy lodge]

Flare blitz kill Whimsicott and does a ton against Flutter

[stone trellis]

Fair, but in a rain team?

[foggy lodge]

You could do taunt over blitz

[stone trellis]

Works.

[foggy lodge]

Its good

Like yeah you no longer really take water attacks due to the rain

But outside of that its not that big of an anti sinergy

[stone trellis]

Tera Bug?

[foggy lodge]

Almost anything tbh depends on the problems of the team

I was running tera poison Incin for a bit lol

Tera poison is underrated

[forest arrow]

Ttar mentioned 🗣️

[foggy lodge]

Maushold is going up in usage

Was Maushold is the call for this tournament?

[forest arrow]

Juan is goated tho, this’ll be a good match

[foggy lodge]

tera water bloodmoon????

Ik av uses it but on lefties?

[forest arrow]

You resist make it rain and your water weakness

[foggy lodge]

Yeah ig its better into rain

[forest arrow]

Mausape will be tough tho

[foggy lodge]

Wait no it isn't that better cuz you get eshotted

Idk he probably has a reason I just don't get it rn

Blursa Dnite vs Mausape

[forest arrow]

I personally like electric

[foggy lodge]

Blursa is actually so good into mausape

TERA FAIRY MAUSAPE

[forest arrow]

Fairy wasn’t common but it was used

[foggy lodge]

Idk I don't like it

You get clapped by dengo now btw

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2485711478-7v2uegcadn7yp02cxgpj84j9tkvoiogpw

[forest arrow]

You outspeed Dengo

[stone trellis]

Did my message just get deleted?

[forest arrow]

Really doesn’t matter all that much unless it’s scarf

[stone trellis]

The fuck?

[forest arrow]

?

[dense latch]

it’s there

[stone trellis]

My Chromebook is dumb.

[forest arrow]

We see the game just not the text

[stone trellis]

I wish it the worst in the world.

This team is just staying alive when it has no fucking reason to do so.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2485715784

[stone trellis]

My luck, man.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2485742100

[dense latch]

it's a 1/3 chance to wake up first turn

[stone trellis]

So that's only 1/27...

Really felt like there was way more luck behind this.

[next stump]

how has LAIC been today? I'm catching up on the last few rounds now

[solid frigate]

The stream Team Preview is hilarious

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2485794527

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2485803179

[next stump]

what is this politoed set on stream lol

whirpool perish

[solid frigate]

Who the fuck is playing Perish-

[short quiver]

hi chat how we all been

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-decade-aurora-curtain-kamen-rider-zi-o-kamen-rider-gif-10820404953270006748

[short quiver]

hi torrent

hi jack

[real prairie]

i like that they were casting players that were 5-2

lot more jeopardy

hi Sky

[short quiver]

my name is in reference to light that burns the sky

Vex would be preferable

[real prairie]

Sorry

[short quiver]

you’re good you wouldnt have known that

[real prairie]

Why can't i find this politoed team in the stream lol

[dense latch]

side stream

[real prairie]

OOoo have a link?

[short quiver]

hi erik

[dense latch]

hi

[short quiver]

how is this show tv14 with this list wtf

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fern-anger-angry-annoyed-gif-5137243747516951410

[dense latch]

https://www.youtube.com/@PlayPokemon/streams it's one of the offstage match streams

[real prairie]

Justin Tang topped day 1

[short quiver]

what does “topped” mean in this context

im still learning these terms

[next stump]

did the best

later on in the tournament it means you made “top cut”, or top 16 players but that’s not until the second day

[real prairie]

He was top ranked player at the end of day 1, unbeaten with the highest win %

[short quiver]

thank you for razor language

[real prairie]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1992000185812332939?t=fDDeX4PE9uJKoQxDpFbs7A&s=19

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad)

Congratulations to the 74 best players at the 🌎 2026 Latin America International Championships (LAIC) that advance to Phase 2! 🥳

The action continues at 12:00 UTC with the next Swiss rounds! 🎮

📲 #PokemonLAIC #PlayPokemon
🟣 https://t.co/km9HsfKoZc
🟣 https://t.co/qBeoQG9h7V

X · Nov 21, 2025, 10:40 PM

[short quiver]

isnt justin tang a very experienced vgc competitor

[real prairie]

He is

[short quiver]

so are we all that surprised

[real prairie]

Not surprised at all, just sharing the news

[short quiver]

im looking for more names i recognize

i see luca ceribelli and thats pretty much it

[real prairie]

Agati too

[short quiver]

who

[real prairie]

Very good Brazilian player

[short quiver]

never heard of them

[real prairie]

Lorcy too is pretty popular ATM

[short quiver]

i only know like 5 vgc competitors

besides you guys obviously

[real prairie]

Marco Silva also went 6-2

[short quiver]

i know him

wolfey, tang (both of them) marco, luca ceribelli and uh

what the hell is his name

https://tenor.com/view/anya-anya-forger-spy-x-family-brain-fried-gif-245623370932004073

[steady cove]

Anyone can send me a pokepaste of a team that consists of charizard, sperior, zoroark, and 3 others of your choosing?

singles

[short quiver]

[next stump]

no one here really plays singles unfortunately

[short quiver]

thats also not a very helpful list to go off of

[real prairie]

We are still petitioning to get the name changed to VGC Discussion

[short quiver]

+1

[stone trellis]

Federico Camporesi?

[short quiver]

hi paul

[short quiver]

who

[stone trellis]

The guy who beat Marco Silva in NAIC finals.

[next stump]

I'm team separate channels but I think I'm the only mod who is and I definitely see the other side

[steady cove]

You just gotta make a team with 6 work with those 3. Lol
It's not helpful. That's why I'm asking for help from someone who is more experienced with the meta.

[real prairie]

Yo Vex, S2 of HH was class

[stone trellis]

The guy whose Whimsicott is being distributed with the code NA1C26TA1LW1ND.

[short quiver]

WHY CANT I THINK OF HIS NAME

[short quiver]

it was so good

[stone trellis]

Eric Rios?

[real prairie]

And I hate musicals lol

[short quiver]

again most of us play vgc not singles

[stone trellis]

Oh, did they finally lock in and decide to write an actual good show?

[short quiver]

his name will come to me eventually

[real prairie]

Maybe start with where you remember watching him

[stone trellis]

Can you describe him or any of the teams he's used?

[short quiver]

hazbin hotel has been peak since the pilot

[short quiver]

youtube and a regional i think

[stone trellis]

Oh, Aaron Zheng?

[short quiver]

YEAH

[real prairie]

It's just a shame it's behind Amazon's shitty pay wall

[stone trellis]

I'm cracked.

[short quiver]

i could NOT think of his name for the life of me

cybertron zheng

[real prairie]

How did you get that from "a regional" 🤣

[stone trellis]

Big VGC YouTuber and often does commentary for regionals.

[short quiver]

probably from youtube

[stone trellis]

Again, I'm cracked like that.

[short quiver]

also paul pretty much knows my vgc experience so far

im sure it wasnt hard

[stone trellis]

Watch Flazefire's video on it.

[real prairie]

Valid

[stone trellis]

Please do it, it's actual peak.

[solid frigate]

What the heck happened when I was left

[short quiver]

i was naming every pro vgc player i knew and couldnt remember aaron zheng

[stone trellis]

I guessed that @short quiver was thinking of Aaron Zheng from this.

Oddly enough, I can name every single Masters division world champion from 2010 onwards.

[solid frigate]

Did you even mentioned MDB

[short quiver]

i only know a handful i need to broaden my horizons a bit

[stone trellis]

The name of the guy from 2009 always evades me.

[short quiver]

hm?

[real prairie]

Do you mean @next stump 👀☺️

[short quiver]

i did say “besides you guys” before i even named any of the pros i knew

that was the first thing i said

[next stump]

he stole my name

i should get royalties

[short quiver]

i wanna try and actually go to a regional

should talk around the michigan vgc server for one around me

[next stump]

most fun gaming experience of my life

and i've been to a few different in person gaming events for diff games

[short quiver]

imagine me of all people at a regional

[next stump]

there is a toronto regional in january, that's probably the closest for you

but it is another country

[real prairie]

Agreed, looking forward to making a day 2

[solid frigate]

I might just go to EUIC only and not bother doing a rerun in Bham

[short quiver]

i could get an upgraded license to attend toronto

thats not a hard process

[real prairie]

I'm still gonna try for both

[stone trellis]

2010-2012 is Ray Rizzo (the Michael Jordan of VGC), 2013 is Arash Ommati (the first European Worlds winner), 2014 is Sejun Park (the Pachirisu and Mega Gyarados one), 2015 is Shoma Honami (the one that overreacts), 2016 is Wolfe Glick (the GOAT), 2017 is Ryota Otsubo (the Krookodile one) 2018 is Paul Ruiz (the guy with the same name as me), 2019 is Naoto Mizobuchi (the one who used Stakataka), 2022 is Eduardo Cunha (I remember him because his name is pronounced like the Greek word for "swing"), 2023 is Shohei Kimura (the one who beat MDB), 2024 is Luca Ceribelli (the Arubega Miraidon one) and 2025 is Giovanni Cishke (the KoraiNala guy).

[short quiver]

toronto is still gonna be reg h isnt it

[next stump]

reg F

[short quiver]

oh thank god

[solid frigate]

I don’t have that much money and I might go back to Hong Kong in March

[stone trellis]

Let's build for Reg F then.

[dense latch]

what am i playing

[real prairie]

Fair

[stone trellis]

@short quiver Got a favorite archetype?

[short quiver]

rain

[real prairie]

What am I looking at

[stone trellis]

Ah, the elusive Landorus player who forgot to change the ability.

[solid frigate]

I’m still running the one team that got 15th in Portland lmao

[stone trellis]

I've done this before on cart ladder and it unironically won me a game because Sandsear got a burn.

[real prairie]

Ah right

[short quiver]

remember we cooked a latios gmoltres team

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that one was pretty shit.

[short quiver]

im not using that team obviously

[stone trellis]

Right, so you want a rain team without Landorus?

[short quiver]

please and thanks

[stone trellis]

And you expect to beat Raging Bolt... how?

[solid frigate]

I mean rain team without Lando is still possible (Chien Pao)

[short quiver]

walking wake

[stone trellis]

Tclap victim.

[short quiver]

its neutral tho

[stone trellis]

Tera Fairy solos.

Now you're Specs locked into Draco and he's about to pop off.

[short quiver]

who said anything about specs

[stone trellis]

You're either running Specs or Scarf, I know what kind of man you are.

[solid frigate]

Pao just beat that thing outright and somewhat synergistic with Body Press Archaludon and Urshifu why not Pao?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1009: Walking Wake

Types

Water/Dragon

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

99/83/91/125/83/109

Total

590

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

you forgot 2 other items

[stone trellis]

Fair.

AV and Lorb are out of the question.

[short quiver]

you missed one

[stone trellis]

Booster?

[short quiver]

a very simple item

yeah

[stone trellis]

Anywho, Chien-Pao + Arch might work.

It's probably going to beat PaoNite too.

[short quiver]

rain booster walking wake

[stone trellis]

Which is a fat fucking W in my books.

[real prairie]

Tsareena 😉🤣

[stone trellis]

So, which rain setter?

[solid frigate]

You can beat Rilla MU if you somehow lost your Pelipper

[stone trellis]

Rilla runs HHP in Reg F?

[short quiver]

ngl i think i want politoed

[stone trellis]

@real prairie YES SIR WE GOT ANOTHER ONE IN THE POLITOED AGENDA

[solid frigate]

Some sets do

But just another way to get rid of Rilla’s Terrain (Trust me not letting Rilla Spam Glides is a good thing)

[real prairie]

We will all win or lose together

[short quiver]

the question then becomes where do i go from walking wake politoed rain

[stone trellis]

Nowhere

[real prairie]

But politoed works a lot better with tailroom too

[stone trellis]

Let's start with the basic trio of Arch, Politoed and the cat.

[short quiver]

do i detect a hint to add my favorite cottonball

[stone trellis]

If Wake fits, we'll use it.

[solid frigate]

How are we making the team worse against Rillaboom and Bolt if Pao is gone

[real prairie]

The overly humanoid tornado Pokémon is a better fit

[short quiver]

yuck

[stone trellis]

He hates Torn.

Does Murkrow learn Rain Dance?

[real prairie]

It does

[short quiver]

i believe so

[stone trellis]

There's your option then.

[short quiver]

sure

wake politoed arch murkrow

[real prairie]

So does illuminise who also gets fake tears

[stone trellis]

GET WAKE OUT OF THERE BRO

[short quiver]

NO

[stone trellis]

THIS IS A CHIEN-PAO NEIGHBORHOOD

[solid frigate]

Torn on Rain is a Throw if it’s not Kyogre Rain

[stone trellis]

If Wake works, we'll use it.

[real prairie]

Tornshifu disagrees

[stone trellis]

Otherwise, keep that shit to the Showdown-only teams.

[short quiver]

although even if i did use wake i cant run a fire move on it

since im in rain

[solid frigate]

Full rain I mean

[stone trellis]

"AND RAGING BOLT LANDS A HALF-COURT THREE POINTER! HOW DOES HE DO IT?"

[short quiver]

fine poli arch murkrow

[stone trellis]

And Chien-Pao.

You need a Bolt answer.

[short quiver]

sure

[real prairie]

Tsareena

[stone trellis]

Chien-Pao + Arch actually pressure Bolt quite a lot in certain scenarios.

[short quiver]

you are speaking my language my friend

[stone trellis]

How does it help against Tera Fairy?

[real prairie]

Whacks it hard with power whips

[short quiver]

triple axel power whip wide lens sillies?

[stone trellis]

Why would you even need Tsareena? It can't kill Rilla.

[real prairie]

Correct

Tera ice

[stone trellis]

Oh, kill me.

[real prairie]

It can with tera ice

[short quiver]

tera ice triple axel

[solid frigate]

Alright

[stone trellis]

So we have:

• Chien-Pao
• Arch
• Politoed
• Murkrow
• Tsareena

[short quiver]

politoed murkrow arch chipao tsareena

[stone trellis]

We need a special attacker now.

[real prairie]

👀

[stone trellis]

No, shut up.

[solid frigate]

No Jack we don’t need it.

[stone trellis]

We already have a Water and a Grass type.

We need someone that can take Shifu calcs and make them look pitiful.

[short quiver]

is there a special attacker with intimidate 🤔

[real prairie]

What! I was gonna say specs Flutter ofc

[stone trellis]

Salamence.

[solid frigate]

Actually scratch that why am I even here

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-decade-aurora-curtain-kamen-rider-zi-o-kamen-rider-gif-10820404953270006748

[tiny karma]

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Results (47)

Ekans, Arbok, Growlithe, Growlithe-Hisui, Arcanine, Arcanine-Hisui, Tauros, Tauros-Paldea-Combat, Tauros-Paldea-Blaze, Tauros-Paldea-Aqua, Gyarados, Snubbull, Granbull, Qwilfish, Qwilfish-Hisui, Stantler, Hitmontop, Mightyena, Masquerain, Mawile, Manectric-Mega, Salamence, Staravia, Staraptor, Shinx, Luxio, Luxray, Herdier, Stoutland, Sandile, Krokorok, Krookodile, Scraggy, Scrafty, Scrafty-Mega, Landorus-Therian, Litten, Torracat, Incineroar, Wyrdeer, Overqwil, Squawkabilly, Squawkabilly-Blue, Squawkabilly-Yellow, Squawkabilly-White, Maschiff, Mabosstiff

Generation

natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.29.0

[scenic oriole]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2485839023

I think im cooking with scarf Gholdengo 😂

[next stump]

scarf special salamence has been used on rain teams before

[solid frigate]

Scarf Dengo with Trick? Yeah that’s not a bad set for Dengo

[solid frigate]

Man I miss Mega Mence

Aerilate is such a fun ability

[short quiver]

so for special attackers with intimidate its just salamence huh

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 899: Wyrdeer

Types

Normal/Psychic

Abilities

Intimidate, Frisk, Sap Sipper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

103/105/72/105/75/65

Total

525

Sableye version 4.29.0

[solid frigate]

If you want to use this garbage then there’s two

[short quiver]

how about i not im already using murkrow in reg F

[stone trellis]

Salamence it is.

It won't exactly destroy Bolt, but I guess it's aight.

Why Intimidate?

@short quiver

[short quiver]

do you think i need it?

if i dont i can scrap it for something else

@stone trellis

[stone trellis]

Yeah, scrap it.

We need someone who can nuke in the rain besides Arch.

And you're not going to use a physical attacker because our only option there is Shifu.

[short quiver]

or basculegion

[solid frigate]

If you really don’t want to use Urshifu there is Wellspring

Specifically max speed if your choice is to nuke

[stone trellis]

Oh yeah, the "fuck you" button.

Do I need max Speed if I have TW?

I can go 164 Adamant.

[solid frigate]

Depends on your preference

[short quiver]

i mean i could run my own raging bolt i guess

[stone trellis]

Nah, Wellspring is good.

It's Ogerpon.

[short quiver]

but i need a special attacker

[stone trellis]

Nah, I'm just stupid.

I counted Arch as physical.

[short quiver]

so poni shifu or basculegion

[stone trellis]

The choice is yours.

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon if you hate Urshifu
Basc if you have no sanity

[stone trellis]

The choice is clear.

Lorb Basc it is.

[short quiver]

feesh, bear, or the goat herself

huh i wonder

[stone trellis]

Fine, we'll use Wellspring.

Aight, time for the sets.

What do we want the items on everyone to be?

There's a small conflict of interest with Chien-Pao and Murkrow, as they both love Sash.

[short quiver]

what does politoed even run

[stone trellis]

Depends on how you want to use it.

We have enough nukes that we can focus more on its bulk and survivability.

So Sitrus, Lefties, maybe Cloak...

[short quiver]

sitrus sounds good

[real prairie]

As has hurricane Volc

[stone trellis]

Might as well run this spread.

[short quiver]

and as for murkrow

can it achieve anything whatsoever with an eviolite

i have 3 main damage dealers here tsareena arch poni

[stone trellis]

You tell me with these stats.

[short quiver]

yeah no

okay so what to do with chipao then

[stone trellis]

100+ SpA Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Murkrow: 104-126 (62.2 - 75.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Hold on now, his writing is this fire?

I can actually cook with this.

100+ SpA Raging Bolt Thunderclap vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Murkrow: 138-164 (82.6 - 98.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[short quiver]

yeah the issue is it still dies to even a breath from a physical attack regardless

[short quiver]

hey thats better

so it can do something with an eviolite

cool chipao can have its sash

sash chipao wide lens tsareena sitrus poli eviolite murkrow av arch i assume

and poni wellspring mask

[stone trellis]

Murkrow @ Eviolite
Level: 50
Timid Nature
Tera Type: Ghost
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 76 SpD / 180 Spe

• Hurricane
• Tailwind
• Rain Dance
• Protect

[short quiver]

i imagine it dies if its breathed on by a physical attack

[stone trellis]

Maybe.

236+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Murkrow on a critical hit: 138-165 (82.6 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Nope.

[short quiver]

what the fuck?

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[stone trellis]

(Neutral attack outside of rain btw)

Also, we don't NEED all that Speed.

[short quiver]

oh nvm its not that good considering im giving it rain

[stone trellis]

We could go Bold to tank that shit in rain.

[short quiver]

we might have to cuz my team also wants rain

[stone trellis]

236+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 180+ Def Eviolite Murkrow in Rain on a critical hit: 138-165 (82.6 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Right on the money.

[short quiver]

perfect

and just gonna have to rely on prankster for the other stuff

[stone trellis]

And we don't even need to care about dumb shit like Prankster Taunt.

Should Chien-Pao be a Ghost type?

[short quiver]

are you asking if it should be tera ghost

i say yes

do we go standard av arch rain stuff

[stone trellis]

Tera Ghost, yeah.

I have a build for AV Arch.

I just need to find it.

[short quiver]

odd question but does murkrow get snarl

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Murkrow

Snarl:

• As Murkrow from a TM, HM or TR

Sableye version 4.29.0

[short quiver]

yes

[stone trellis]

The only thing I'm not certain on is Arch's Tera.

Why would we need Snarl on Murkrow and where would it even go?

[short quiver]

i mean im gonna be in tailwind

so the spa drop can do soemthing for me

[stone trellis]

Fair.

[short quiver]

and its stab for just a little bit of damage

and what else is murkrow supposed to do anyways

[stone trellis]

No idea.

[short quiver]

see my logic

[stone trellis]

Guess you're right.

[short quiver]

and it frees a slot on arch

[stone trellis]

Aight, so what Tera on Arch?

[short quiver]

the options are fighting electric and fairy right?

[stone trellis]

Arch was always going to have DPulse, Flash Cannon, BP and Electro Shot.

Don't ask me, I have no fucking idea.

[short quiver]

ill go tera fighting

my usual

[stone trellis]

252 SpA Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 44 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 164-194 (83.2 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This is great.

[short quiver]

now calc the tera fighting

[stone trellis]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Modest Nature
Tera Type: Fighting
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 252 HP / 108 Def / 100 SpA / 44 SpD / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dragon Pulse
• Flash Cannon
• Body Press
• Electro Shot

Just take that number and halve it.

It's literally that simple.

[stone trellis]

I also calced it to take Adamant Shifu CC.

236 Adamant because I wanted to be extra safe.

[short quiver]

so 40-49%

much more survivable

2 down 4 to go

[short quiver]

although 180 def bold with snarl instead of hurricane

but thats stuff i can remember when i translate the team

[stone trellis]

Yep.

Now for Ogerpon.

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[stone trellis]

Horn Leech for the survivability?

[short quiver]

you know me so well

besides i have whip on tsareena anyways

[stone trellis]

-2 124 Atk Wellspring Mask Tera Water Ogerpon-Wellspring-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Landorus in Rain: 196-232 (100 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[short quiver]

checks out

so 124 atk is all we need

which gives us a lot for everything else

ig i really didnt need intimidate lmao

[stone trellis]

Ogerpon-Wellspring @ Wellspring Mask
Level: 50
Careful Nature
Tera Type: Water
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 52 HP / 124 Atk / 36 Def / 100 SpD / 196 Spe

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield

This takes 116 Modest Lorb Lando Sludge Bomb without Tera.

(The only ones that are taking super effective moves from Tera Poison Lorb Lando without AV are CIR, Kyogre and Zama lol)

[short quiver]

i wish there was a spread water move like sparkling aria that another mon could learn

could have poli and poni and just keep healing poni

for tsareena can we run knock off or low kick in the third slot

[stone trellis]

Surf.

Politoed learns Surf.

Also, sure.

[short quiver]

wait i have lens on tsareena i can run high jump kick 😀

[short quiver]

perfect

stab spread water move to heal poni with

[stone trellis]

Sucks that it doesn't have a cracked secondary effect like Muddy Water.

[short quiver]

right

[stone trellis]

What would Politoed's second attack even be?

[short quiver]

im probably gonna need a second water move right

spread and nonspread?

[stone trellis]

That or coverage.

Weather Ball works.

[short quiver]

ep

weather ball

ice beam

what else we got

psychic

hyper voice

focus miss

endeavor could be funny

[stone trellis]

Icy Wind, Whirlpool and Muddy Water.

[timber schooner]

Could someone take a look at my team

[short quiver]

if you give us a paste to look at sure

[timber schooner]

https://pokepast.es/44d02480a6ff9469

Its just something for no restricted legendarys