competitive_discussion

[cyan smelt]

pick a rental and practice on showdown, use pasrs, save your replays, make adjustments, take notes of what you struggle with

woah covert cloak incin

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2477877865-8ntq3cs36ea3b8sfcpvpme7b4kmbiwbpw

Sneasler is the ultimate speed control sometimes.

God, I love dynamic Speed.

[cyan smelt]

got a crit on gholdengo to lose to tera dragon gholdengo

should always lead ursa smeargle into peli rain

god i hate trick room

now i'm losing to the jumpluff team

[stone trellis]

Marco Silva LAIC sun?

The one with Specs Charizard?

[cyan smelt]

yeah

hate these tryhard losers on ladder

[stone trellis]

Indeedee-Armarouge hard TR and Arch rain is just aura farming for me.

[cyan smelt]

i'm losing to everything, i may as well call it quits

[stone trellis]

No loser's mentality.

Look at what makes you lose and try to adapt.

[cyan smelt]

i can't adapt to these teams

there's too much variety

i can't compete with my disabilities

one wrong tera and i'm done

i'm tired of losing i can't handle vgc

i'm getting my ass whooped every game

[stone trellis]

Try another format.

[cyan smelt]

nah no matter the format i suck

i can't teambuild, i can't battle

and now i'm losing to fucking taunt annihilape

i can't handle this shit man

i'm officially done after tonight

[real prairie]

Not a good day 3 (fake shock)

I really struggle into the fake tears teams

[cyan smelt]

i've had enough of this shit

every single team has answers to my team

i'm never playing balance again and i'm never playing vgc again

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2477889453

[cyan smelt]

vgc is too difficult for me with my disabilities

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2477890485

I'm thriving with this team, man.

[cyan smelt]

well at least someone is doing well

[stone trellis]

I hope you find something you enjoy.

Remember that Pecharunt-Dondozo team we made?

[cyan smelt]

no

how does glaceon outspeed gholdengo?

what the actual fuck

fuck vgc

fuck this gc

[stone trellis]

Scarf.

[solid frigate]

thats a fucking nightmare to deal lol

[stone trellis]

It was your first Reg J team.

[cyan smelt]

it was garbage

[stone trellis]

It was fun to make though.

[cyan smelt]

everything i touch is garbage

[stone trellis]

Shut the fuck up, Kalos.

[solid frigate]

the process is argubly as important as the result

[stone trellis]

We're all bad, that's exactly why we play.

[solid frigate]

if not more important

[stone trellis]

You're not worse than anybody in here.

It's just that you let every little loss snowball.

Get it to your head: Losing in a VGC game means nothing in the long term.

[cyan smelt]

i won't ever be good at this game

[stone trellis]

No matter how much you lose, you will eventually win a game.

[stone trellis]

Guess what: None of us will ever be good either!

[solid frigate]

hell i also have mental health issues recently and already am Autistic since 3 years old

And yet that doesn't stop me being right now,its how you face the situation

Like moxieboosted said,VGC is fun,but don't take it too seriously

we are just all players who trying to find footing over something

this is also why i made the blog about the progress over a year,to reflect and learn from mistakes i made in the past year

[cyan smelt]

i may as well quit, i haven't improved in however long i've played

[solid frigate]

Reg H is a hard format and it will stump a lot of people

Myself included,i was better in restricted formats than Regional dex formats,but i don't want to give up,cuz my concisence don't let me do so

and i am trying to relearn everything in Reg F rn

[stone trellis]

Speaking of restricted formats, wanna play a Reg J game?

[cyan smelt]

i don't enjoy vgc

[stone trellis]

You have my full team paste, I have your full team paste, we're on equal footing here.

[solid frigate]

doing Halogenation revision,maybe later

basically chemistry stuff

[stone trellis]

Sure.

[cyan smelt]

aaaand i lost again

[solid frigate]

for the sake of Archaludon

Just don't play for the day

[stone trellis]

Why do you play if you don't enjoy it?

[cyan smelt]

i need to play out my 45 matches

[stone trellis]

Said who?

[solid frigate]

you technically don't need to lol

[cyan smelt]

how come i can do decently at a regional then struggle at gvc

[solid frigate]

i legit quitted during my 41st match cuz of bullshit and i am still proud over the wonky rain team nova made lol

[cyan smelt]

i'm giving up on vgc entirely

[solid frigate]

preperations+The overall size of your regional is smaller than GC

since GC is worldwide and your regional is mostly oceania

[cyan smelt]

well i'm not participating in future gcs or regionals

[solid frigate]

i was in britain and you know how mentally defeated i am when i lost to Lefties Calm Mind Kyogre

[cyan smelt]

i'm mentally ill and autistic this shit is too hard for me to compete

[solid frigate]

@real prairie and Calydow with Dozogiri stuff if you remember lol

[cyan smelt]

i cannot compete in competitive games

i'm already at a disadvantage before any mons are selected

[solid frigate]

same thing here,but being competitive is hard and it takes varied time to understand

Some are maybe prodigies,some might be regulars,some maybe trash/new to the game

yet nothing stop them to find a footing

i know i did not get stopped since i got 4-4 in a regional as well

[cyan smelt]

i've been trash the whole time i've played and haven't shown any signs of improvement

[solid frigate]

but despite no one ever saw my achievements,i still keep going,not because of validation,but how to view myself in the scene

[solid frigate]

you aren't trash during the time i was playing for reg F 1- G 1

not everyone can stay consistent

[cyan smelt]

reg h has been a struggle for me

[solid frigate]

same as me,it was a hard format

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2477898877

[solid frigate]

but i still think its a reflection to learn that

I have to improve myself in regional dex formats no matter what obstacles there is

[stone trellis]

You know how many times I had to rethink my team before I came up with this?

There's probably around 9 different versions of a team that revolves around the exact same Pokemon.

[solid frigate]

Another case is my Miraidon Teams(Regional One)

I have like 5 versions of the team before settled down into Arubega again

And I did the last minute decision to swap Fari with Flutter cuz I don’t click with Fari

[stone trellis]

Don't even get me started on PTFK.

[solid frigate]

The process is what makes Pokémon competitive fun

[cyan smelt]

idk what to use for reg f but it won't be balance

if i even play anymore

[stone trellis]

This RNG is disgusting, man.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2477901904

Corviknight is so GOATed.

I should build this team in-game and upload it to #rental_teams.

[cyan smelt]

ok i'm officially done, covert cloak blursa

fuck this format and fuck vgc

sick of these tryhard losers in the gc

and tera electric dnite wtf

i give up

why are there so many sweats this time around

this is not fun for me anymore

[stone trellis]

Stop playing then.

[cyan smelt]

vgc sucks

[stone trellis]

THEN STOP FUCKING PLAYING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

"I'm gonna go slap my balls for half an hour"
"Ow slapping my balls for half an hour sucks I hate it"

[upper zealot]

😭 😂 ✌️ this is lowkey true

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2477919553-o0jpegvn1in9ykrdimqst2vxlnfxo8tpw

TPSD (Total Psyspam Death) has been achieved.

[cyan smelt]

idk why i bother with competitive games

[stone trellis]

Don't.

Nobody's forcing you to.

I won't be disappointed if you don't win Worlds, Sydney and Melbourne.

[cyan smelt]

my brain is fucking broken

[bold geode]

You need to chill out

[stone trellis]

Guess what? So is mine.

I'm sorry, but he's been talking about how much he hates VGC for the last week and yet he keeps on playing.

[bold geode]

Ok
Still don't have to be like that

[stone trellis]

He isn't listening either way, it doesn't matter.

[bold geode]

Anyways
@cyan smelt I understand how you feel
Rn just put the game down
For a good while
Actually take a break and re-evaluate why you actually play this game
Saying you're gonna take a break and fix your mental and doing it are two different things, and we need to do something about it alright

Until you actually stop, you're only gonna continue to torture yourself

[cyan smelt]

ok i need to fix my mental and react to losses better

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dondozo-דונדוזו-slap-slapping-דינדוז-gif-27676514

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2477986882

[fallen dove]

ive been running endeavour whimsicott for so long i forgor the basic set is encore 😂😭

[waxen dock]

32-7

number 2

[waxen dock]

33-7 number 1

[stone trellis]

GG.

If you win this, how many Championship Points do you get?

@waxen dock

[waxen dock]

75

[stone trellis]

Is that good?

[waxen dock]

Idk

I got 75 points from both last gcs too

[stone trellis]

So you'll have 225 in total?

[waxen dock]

Ye

[fallen dove]

when do euic tickets come out?

[waxen dock]

but its not about getting cp

[stone trellis]

That would put you in the top 50 for Masters, I think it's pretty good for Seniors.

[waxen dock]

yeah but dont forget that masters are also better

[stone trellis]

Exactly.

I figured that out today.

Placing 189th or whatever in the last GC and placing outside top 2048 now made the difference obvious.

[dense latch]

there are some stacked seniors players getting #1 is no joke good shit

[upper zealot]

nice

[waxen dock]

but what i said is that its not about gewtting cp, cuz last gc i did 25-20 and still got cp , its about getting to number 1

[stone trellis]

I'd love to see you at Worlds.

[upper zealot]

i thought it was over turn 1 when bax died

[waxen dock]

i still dont know for sure if ill go to worlds this year

[stone trellis]

If you do end up going, I wish you the best.

[waxen dock]

thanks

[gentle crag]

ido1500 has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607

[stone trellis]

Getting to Master Ball every month is like passive income, that shit's easy with my team.

And since I'll be updating it to match the Showdown version, it'll probably get even easier.

[waxen dock]

nice

i dont play rank battles anymore

[stone trellis]

I do because of the cracked rewards and for the flex.

[dense latch]

best of luck during the rest of the season ido

are you going to any irl events or just gcs

[stone trellis]

Are there any events announced for MESA?

[foggy lodge]

why was the reg f ladder taking so much time to find an opponent

[waxen dock]

id rather that there wont be events in the region

[foggy lodge]

Is vgc finally dead (i wish)

[waxen dock]

cuz they will be in south africa

[stone trellis]

Because nobody's playing Reg F right now.

[dense latch]

bo3 or bo1?

[foggy lodge]

i hate this community son much remember when y'all pretended to like reg f

[foggy lodge]

bo2

lmfao bo3*

[dense latch]

that's my favorite ladder sucks that bo2 is kinda dead

[stone trellis]

I never did, I wasn't even there for that shit.

[stone trellis]

I remember cooking people in Bo2 matches.

[dense latch]

i like reg f

[foggy lodge]

bo2 is when you find the same person twice on ladder

[stone trellis]

What's a good Tera for Cloak A9?

I've been using Water for the Fire and Steel resistances, but I don't know if it's the best.

[foggy lodge]

Ice for damage boost

But water is also fine

[stone trellis]

I'd use Ice, but I'm not Sash.

[waxen dock]

have you seen what happend in the south african regionals?

[stone trellis]

No.

What happened?

[waxen dock]

there was a player that went 1-4 in european event and he got 2nd place in both south african regionals which gave him enough points for worlds

[foggy lodge]

They were almost locals

9 people played on one and they had to make a seniors player play on masters lmao

[stone trellis]

Sweet.

Hey Mak, which region are you from?

NA, LA or EU?

[waxen dock]

also i dont want a south african senior to just sudennly win some swiss which means he get like 300 cp and pass me in the cp leaderboard

[foggy lodge]

LA

[stone trellis]

Guessed so.

[waxen dock]

i think there should be a kicker for regionals

[dense latch]

damn bo1 reg f ladder #1 is already at 1655

[waxen dock]

or at least some modification to cp results from south african regionals

[dense latch]

it was at 1525 last time i checked some ppl are grinding like crazy lol

[waxen dock]

for example 160 cp to winner instead of 300

and things like that

and even then it wouldnt be very good

tbh idk what did tpci expect when they made the mesa region

[foggy lodge]

It was for people to steal invites

[waxen dock]

they obviously wanted to enable players to participate and get invites to worlds but they did it in a bad way

[foggy lodge]

Did the people that won the south africa "regionals" even go to worlds lol

[waxen dock]

only 1

the other one didnt go iirc

[foggy lodge]

lmfao

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2478036015

Some guy has this team which really troubles mine.

We've faced off twice and he won both matches.

He uses Origin Forme Magearna, CIR, Annihilape, Indeedee, Bolt and Hearthflame.

For whatever reason, it's like he's the one ClankerApe player who actually knows the team's weaknesses and knows exactly how to deal with the standard plan.

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2478049526

[fallen dove]

CLANKERAPE HELPPPPP

[bold geode]

Don't tell me you hatin bitch

[foggy lodge]

I'm always hating

I'm a generational hater

[bold geode]

Be happy challenge impossible

[foggy lodge]

There are no reasons to be happy in Scarlet Violet VGC

[dense latch]

yoo dillon is casting the world cup on vr's twitch

[stone trellis]

It's the most apt name.

[stone trellis]

This man clearly hasn't experienced the joy that is Discharge AV Miraidon.

Truly a shame.

You nuke things, you make Spore/Dark Void users eat shit AND you have a 30% (might as well be 70%) chance of activating the best Speed control.

[waxen dock]

Im now going to sleep, tommorow morning before i go to school ill see what place i get

[bold geode]

Ew Reg J

[jaunty tangle]

does anyone know how to use jolteon? my brother wants me to use it in tournaments

[next stump]

what tournaments would you be playing?

[real prairie]

Just played a TR tyranitar assurance team partnered with Dusclops

[craggy dagger]

that sounds interesting

[jaunty tangle]

competive

[next stump]

that doesn’t help a ton, single or double battles?

official real life tournaments?

[jaunty tangle]

online double

[next stump]

like the ranked ladder or the global challenge?

[jaunty tangle]

both i guess

[next stump]

The format/ruleset is about to switch from regulation H to regulation F very soon, so if you’re looking to play online tournaments I’d start preparing for regulation F

[jaunty tangle]

yea i was wondering if you can make a team

[next stump]

I’d start by using it as a form of speed control, look what teams are good in Regulation F and see if you can slot in Jolteon

[tiny karma]

Jolteon's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Bite, Body Slam, Covet, Dig, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, False Swipe, Flail, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Iron Tail, Last Resort, Natural Gift, Pay Day, Pin Missile, Quick Attack, Rage, Retaliate, Return, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Skull Bash, Strength, Tackle, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Trailblaze, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Discharge, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Mud-Slap, Rising Voltage, Round, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Stored Power, Swift, Synchronoise, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Trump Card, Volt Switch, Weather Ball, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charge, Charm, Confide, Copycat, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Focus Energy, Growl, Heal Bell, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Metal Sound, Mimic, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Sand Attack, Sing, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tail Whip, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Wish, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Jolteon.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[jaunty tangle]

@next stump i have a team idk if he fits

[next stump]

Share the paste here

[jaunty tangle]

yep one sec

[jaunty tangle]

can't find it I think i deleted it

[upper zealot]

fuck i really just shouldve stopped

i was t32 now im t69

11 games left

[jaunty tangle]

found it https://pokepast.es/7afd3aac9fe47c58

[real prairie]

So how long has whims + inner focus choice band Outrage Dnite bean a thing?

Lost to 4 of them today

[next stump]

I was rocking that in Reg H the first time around

but it’s not super great in OTS bo3

[foggy lodge]

Giovanni Costa used it

Ofomezie too

Tho running into 4 of them is crazy lol

[real prairie]

Is what it is, another GC bottled

On the plus side, I kerb stomped every A9 balance team this time round 🤷🏼‍♂️

[cyan smelt]

I need to work on my stubbornness, don't know why I didn't consider taking a break before

[rigid crane]

Anyone have a good singles team? my team isn't doing so well as last month

[cyan smelt]

But I'm still going to attend a local this Wednesday

[next stump]

hell yeah, good luck

locals are the best way I’ve improved

[left bobcat]

FEATHER PREP SHOE TEARS YEA TOO WEY SUITCASE N RAUDUWAY WID MA HA

anyways what I miss

[next stump]

[chrome knot]

i like rhis reg

[cyan smelt]

Paonite looks fun

[molten oasis]

It’s lowkey so depressing that MIR doesn’t ohko a flutter lol

[solid frigate]

[waxen dock]

1st place

[stone trellis]

Is the Raging Bolt counter in the room with us?

[stone trellis]

Congratulations!

[waxen dock]

How was your gc?

[short quiver]

why is weather considered its own archetype

[rare pumice]

is duraludon a decent eviolite user?

[short quiver]

all i got for you is Wolfe made it work

but this is wolfe we’re talking about so that doesnt say much

[rare pumice]

i just figure it might be a decent dragon cheer user maybe

along with body press

[solid frigate]

The bulk is not worth it compared to to Archaludon lmao

[short quiver]

nobody uses dragon cheer

idk why it seems good on paper

[solid frigate]

Iron Jugilus+Kommo-O

[short quiver]

Kommo-O mentioned

[rare pumice]

jugulis gets cheer??

[tiny karma]

Iron Jugulis's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Assurance, Body Slam, Crunch, Double-Edge, Dragon Tail, Dual Wingbeat, Facade, Fire Fang, Fly, Giga Impact, Iron Head, Knock Off, Lash Out, Outrage, Rock Tomb, Take Down, Throat Chop, U-turn, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Charge Beam, Dark Pulse, Dragon Breath, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Snarl, Tera Blast, Tri Attack

Status Moves

Dragon Cheer, Electric Terrain, Endure, Focus Energy, Metal Sound, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tailwind, Taunt, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Jugulis.

Sableye version 4.29.0

[solid frigate]

Yep it does

[short quiver]

every single dragon in the game gets it

along with quite a few non dragons

[rare pumice]

i thought jugulis was a dark flying type though

oh nvm

[tribal vortex]

It's a paradox of Hydreigon. It keeps some moves from it

[short quiver]

its future hydriegon it would still get it

[rare pumice]

i just didn't know that non dragon types can learn it

[short quiver]

a few non dragons get it

i think Salazzle does, no?

[solid frigate]

Yeah but are you using it in Regulation F

[rare pumice]

i'm not really thinking about any regulations right now, i was just curious about duraludon as a whole for some reason

[tiny karma]

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natdex

Transferred Pokémon

Included

Sableye version 4.29.0

[solid frigate]

Even with Eviolite it can’t beat Archaludon overall so yeah

[short quiver]

IM RIGHT SALAZZLE GETS IT

am i goated or what

[solid frigate]

No

[short quiver]

although ig a salamander is kind of draconic

[short quiver]

fuck you too 🥀😔

[rare pumice]

i once got swept by a dragon sheer paired sniper kingdra

[short quiver]

why does LAPRAS get dragon cheer?

[solid frigate]

Although note to self,Dragon Cheer Strats are like pretty niche on itself and widely inconsistent since you lose +2 Crit after Tera into something else that isn’t Dragon

[short quiver]

salazzle is a salamander, which ig is draconic, whats LAPRAS excuse?

[tribal vortex]

Loch Ness monster aka sea serpent kinda

[short quiver]

oh true

[tribal vortex]

Or because it was nearly extinct just like dragons

[short quiver]

that would be intriguing logic

[rare pumice]

it's crazy to me that a gen 9 pokemon is getting a mega evolution in 2025

[short quiver]

i forgot lapras is a loch ness monster

[tribal vortex]

I do love how every pokemon on the dragon cheer list is basically dragons or resemble them somewhat. And then, there's Mew just because it's the origin

[short quiver]

wvery other mon besides mew has some draconic tie

[rare pumice]

well there's also applin, which inspite of being a dragon type, also feels wrong

[short quiver]

salazzle salamander lapras loch ness monster and literally everything else is a dragon

[short quiver]

its still a dragon

actually thats incorrect Applin is a Wyrm

[tribal vortex]

Applin is a wyrm so still counts

[short quiver]

which is yes a type of dragon

[rare pumice]

is applin based off of something specific that made them decide to make it a dragon type? like any stories or concepts

[short quiver]

yeah a Wyrm

[rare pumice]

what do wyrms have to do with apples??

[short quiver]

its not the apple.

the apple is the outside

whats INSIDE the apple is the wyrm

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/applin.gif

[short quiver]

it becomes really noticeable with dipplin and hydrapple

[tribal vortex]

It's essentially a pun. Worm in a apple

So, applin is a wyrm disguised inside an apple

[short quiver]

yes

its a dragon hiding as an apple

[rare pumice]

alright i understand completely now

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/hydrapple.gif

[short quiver]

they make it really noticeable here

[tribal vortex]

Flapple shows it better imo

[short quiver]

true

[tribal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/flapple-pokemon-cute-sword-and-shield-apple-gif-27584023

[rare pumice]

i knew it was something inside the apple, it's just that the wyrm - worm pun never occured to me

[short quiver]

appletun is just kinda funny

[short quiver]

its not a pun

the species of dragon is actually spelt Wyrm

[rare pumice]

yeah but it's a pun on the word worm

[short quiver]

its not a pun 🥀

[rare pumice]

how is that not a pun?

[short quiver]

Wyrm≠worm

[rare pumice]

but it's using the word wyrm in a context that you would expect the word worm, so doesn't that make it a pun?

[short quiver]

a worm is a little grub that lives in the earth

a Wyrm is a type of dragon

its not a pun its a literal word

[rare pumice]

idk if this is a constructive thing to be debating in competitive chat

[short quiver]

a Wyrm is a serpentine dragon

[tribal vortex]

Can be a pun to some. But the actual answer is more closer to the serpent and the apple. I'm sure you can connect the dots on that without me getting into it

[rare pumice]

i think i prefer the worm in an apple perspective

[tribal vortex]

Plus, other legends that has to do with wyrms/dragons and apples

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/appletun.gif

[short quiver]

im trying to figure out if this guy is still a Wyrm

[rare pumice]

i also just want to say, i know what a wyrm is and that it's a real word, i was just saying it's a pun because of how puns replace words with similar sounding words-

[short quiver]

“its not a pun” i repeat to myself, seeming to echo pointlessly

[cyan smelt]

ok i'm gonna stop playing randbats because it makes me rage like nothing else

[short quiver]

Hi Kalos

[tribal vortex]

According to some, it's based on Ladon if you want to connect its draconic routes. Otherwise, it's an apple turnover apparently

[short quiver]

bless

[rare pumice]

ok i'll stop with the pun thing, but i just wanna know what your definition of a pun is just so i understand what you're saying

[short quiver]

a pun is a joke using wordplay to sound like something similar, which isnt the case here with the words in question yes, sounding the same, but having no joke between them

one is a grub the other is a huge fucking serpent

[rare pumice]

ok i said i'd stop so i'll stop, no more questions

[short quiver]

can my doordash show up bro 🫠

[tribal vortex]

We can move on from this before a mod steps in. It can be a pun to some based on the old saying of Worm in an apple. To others, it's a literal wyrm. Despite some still thinking it's an actual worm

Send that doordash my way plz

[short quiver]

its just pop and tea

i wanted some refreshments while i rewatch fragrant flower blooms with dignity

[cyan smelt]

i want to play reg h but i also don't want to rage again

[rare pumice]

is reg h the one that has sneasler everywhere

[real prairie]

yes

Im happy to be done with Reg H and start team building for B'ham

[rare pumice]

i think that was the last time i played competitvely

at least in official formats

[short quiver]

true

[cyan smelt]

fucking had enough of randbats

[short quiver]

day 17 of thanking the world you dont play league of legends

[gentle crag]

naganohara_akira has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[waxen dock]

So try a diffrent team

In vgc

[short quiver]

he gets frustrated no matter what he tries

i cant lie its kind of amusing

[waxen dock]

Then move to dou

Its all noobs there it is a easy win

[short quiver]

[solid frigate]

More like

He doesn’t take enough Breaks

[short quiver]

also true

[solid frigate]

Then don’t play for like a week

That helps your current mentality problem

Nobody is forcing you to play it

[short quiver]

i stop playing vgc for months at a time

its refreshing

[cyan smelt]

I'm attending a local on Wednesday

[short quiver]

then dont play for a few days so you dont tilt immediately

being tilted wont help you focus

[cyan smelt]

I don't know why I rage so easily at competitive games

[short quiver]

"competitive"

its competitive you're GOING to tilt

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but any minor setback I start raging

[short quiver]

happens to the best of us gang

i myself am not playing vgc rn cuz im on a rage fit too

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I'll play Pokemon friends for a while to cool off

[short quiver]

im watching anime

ready made tilt relief

12-episode romance anime

[solid frigate]

Fear of Losing

[cyan smelt]

Gotta work on that, I'm gonna play other games tonight and tomorrow

[short quiver]

my man 🤝

ill probably see you before Wednesday but if i dont good luck gangey

[cyan smelt]

I think I will practice on Wednesday before the local but I need a break because I've been raging too much so need to get in a healthier headspace

[short quiver]

yes bro play something calmer for a couple days

like idk minecraft or smthn

[waxen dock]

Go to dou its all noobs there

[solid frigate]

That’s not how you improve

[short quiver]

no he needs to take a break from comp in general

[waxen dock]

Only above 1500 it isnt noobs youre battling

[short quiver]

kalos actually needs a break

[solid frigate]

Again

Using another format to cope yourself you are good is not a good thing to improve

[cyan smelt]

Yes I'm tilted too much and playing more won't help that

Need to refresh my mental

[short quiver]

kalos what do you even play besides pokemon

[solid frigate]

Just try to conquer the fear of being a faliure

[waxen dock]

Take a break today and tommorow

[cyan smelt]

Mario, Kirby, rivals

[short quiver]

aye man word that differently lmao

[solid frigate]

Play Kirby

That helps

[waxen dock]

Also matio games if you have any

[cyan smelt]

I can't play Kirby, I'm at the final tournament in the DLC and can't beat it

[short quiver]

so mario

[cyan smelt]

I might play palworld

[short quiver]

yk for this channel being about competitive we talk about a lot of real important irl stuff sometimes

[solid frigate]

Forgotten land?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[solid frigate]

Just use Morpho Sword and win

And learn how to dodge

[waxen dock]

You can also play minecraft

[cyan smelt]

Tried, but these bosses are on crack

[short quiver]

the perfect antitilt game

until the warden is involved

[solid frigate]

The dodge mechanic and the attack patterns are still Kirby so it’s possible to get away with it

[cyan smelt]

The final final boss is insane

[solid frigate]

At least Star Crossed World OST is good

[short quiver]

dont spoil too much i havent been able to play forgotten land yet

[solid frigate]

I just gonna say the OST is a slap

[short quiver]

id say id leave chat so yall can yap but i got no one else to yap to so 🤷‍♂️

[short quiver]

kirby games usually cook with the music

[solid frigate]

Not cook as hard as Sonic Games

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

or Pokemon as bad as everything else about them may be

the music at least has yet to disappoint

[real prairie]

Play with something completely stupid that you know will lose, get used to losing, then its a pleasant surprise when you win and will give you a better perspective on team building good teams

[real prairie]

Adventure Battle OST is goated

[bold geode]

Ties in a bit
Especially mental health

[chrome knot]

yay.

i love my very controllable mental health

[summer shore]

dollar

[bold geode]

HOLY SHIT IS THAT @summer shore

[stone trellis]

Listen, try playing Soul Melter EX in Star Allies first.

If Ultimate Cup Z is a 10/10 in terms of difficulty, SMEX would be around a 40.

(Without my Void Termina EX cycle that skips the annoying attacks)

[solid frigate]

honestly thats fucking easy if you just play Magolor

[short quiver]

do i spot a brakence reference

[stone trellis]

Marx for life.

And I have the added dificulty of speedrunning it.

[chrome knot]

yus it used to be this long time ago so i put it baack

[short quiver]

epic

[stone trellis]

Goddamnit, why am I so bad nowadays?

It's like the GC took away all my skill at Reg J.

I'm losing to fucking ClankerApe teams!

The only thing that's left now is a loss to fucking Mirai-Arceus.

HOLY SHIT I WON AGAINST A KYOGRE TEAM
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2478677021-v570mat38phlcswtylu1g6j47f39uxypw

[chrome knot]

??

way too comfortable saying that

[solid frigate]

I’m seeing my failure again (without Luvdisc)

Well it’s not my failure it’s just i saw it right after I abandoned it

Also why the fuck they need Testing to know Discharge is a fucking thing

https://tenor.com/view/cyrene-hsr-elysia-achevo-cyrene-slap-gif-9637100078030922222

[bold geode]

People still say clanker?

[chrome knot]

yes

[bold geode]

Haven't really heard that word in like a month

[timber schooner]

Hsr is great

[stone trellis]

It's a robot and an ape.

And the name rolls off the tongue.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[chrome knot]

right yes its fine to use modern day slur attached to robots(?) just because it rolls off the tongue

[stone trellis]

Oh no, the emotionless machines are going to be offended.

[chrome knot]

that isnt the point

[stone trellis]

I'm not using a word that hurts any actual person, so what's the problem here?

I don't get it.

[empty saddle]

first time ive ever lost to a triple protect lmao

[wild depot]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

[chrome knot]

its not !

[wild depot]

there's no way you're defending ai

no-one is that bleeding heart

https://tenor.com/view/slurs-cat-gif-22183074

[chrome knot]

not defending ai

[wild depot]

then what are you defending

clanker refers exclusively to that, and then robots in gaming sometime

[chrome knot]

its not about what is targeted toward its just the readiness to creating a new slur for funsies and being so open and free to saying it😭😭

like even when it was the popular thing it was NAWT funny

[empty saddle]

i dont think its that deep

[wild depot]

yeah

we just hate ai

I think you gotta pick your battles

[chrome knot]

sure i guess😭😭

[wild depot]

just because people are joking around and calling it a slur, it doesnt have historical context. no-one is being harmed by the use of clanker. it's just there to clown on tech bros and shitty ai ruining the creative industry (and the planet)

[stone trellis]

This is like saying "On God I'm not gay" and the Lord himself comes down to prove you right.

[wild depot]

on god im gay

come smite me lord

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[real prairie]

I for one do not condone this language, I respect our future AI overlords 👀

Also absolutely nothing wrong with AI used correctly, it should be used to assist not create.

[wild depot]

i dont

[stone trellis]

Guys, there are these CSR-Zamazenta-Rillaboom teams that have been giving my team a lot of trouble.

How do I deal with them?

[summer shore]

No its orihs

[bold geode]

Oh fuck my bad

Waddup orihs

[bold geode]

Also imma say the controversial thing here
I do agree with this
Using AI as a tool is fine, like for example hell the app I use for working out uses AI to help formulate workouts for me
Tool is fine
IT'S THE ART where it becomes a problem cuz then you're just ripping people off and stealing others work

[stone trellis]

No shit.

[bold geode]

See you say that but there's genuinely people out there who don't know there's a difference there

[stone trellis]

Yeah, and there are people who think CSR is better than Miraidon.

[bold geode]

Cuz it is

[stone trellis]

Stupidity is everywhere.

8 tournaments (including a Worlds win) in Masters alone VS 4 and no Worlds wins.

[bold geode]

CSR literally won worlds in '22

[stone trellis]

Yeah, and Mirai wasn't a thing in 2022.

I'm talking about S/V here.

[bold geode]

Idk also just personal opinions here tbh

[stone trellis]

I believe that having double the tournament wins on top of being more consistently threatening matters more.

[bold geode]

And the game isn't a 1v1
You gotta realize the other mons on the team helped out there too
If not it's like saying "oh hey Iron Hands won 2 Worlds in SV and Incineroar didn't, Iron Hands must be better than Incineroar"

[bold geode]

Ok
So basically you're saying Primal Groudon and Xerneas were ass

[real prairie]

Technology will always be used for art but its about balance, Andy Warhole and Roy Lichtenstein used projectors to paint their work. Da Vinci used mirrors to project his work to upscale it to bigger canvas'. AI can be used to influence art, but shouldn't be the artist.

[stone trellis]

Weren't they both consistent threats with a lot of wins under their belt?

I thought that they won a lot of tournaments in 2016.

[bold geode]

See I just prefer not using it
Especially cuz as things go on, AI for art will lean more and more to the generative stuff it is rn but like
Generative AI bad basically

[bold geode]

Yeah but by your logic, if they didn't get a Worlds win then like eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh

[stone trellis]

Again, you're focusing on the wrong part here.

[bold geode]

I think you're just tryna defend Miraidon here and keep saying it's better
Which is personal opinion and that's fine

[stone trellis]

In the Masters division, Miraidon has twice as many tournament wins as CSR despite both being equally big targets.

[bold geode]

My personal opinion is that CSR is better
We can differ

[stone trellis]

I value consistency and actual results over peaks, I can't lie.

But you do you.

[bold geode]

I'd say Miraidon was better if it had some actual good spread

Like without Tera Fairy D Gleam

[stone trellis]

Snarl exists, Discharge is a thing...

[bold geode]

Snarl is used more for support tbh and Discharge hits your partner when CSR can spam Barrage and not deal with either

[real prairie]

AI can never learn art, because its built on language models, its impossible for it to represent true personality or emotion. everything it creates is data driven, it will always require human input with a vision, but as AI becomes able to create more realism Art will go back to more expression and abstractivness.

(can you tell Im an art student?) lol

[stone trellis]

I can spam Wide Guard and not deal with CSR.

[bold geode]

Holy shit, guess what you can do with Miraidon's spread moves

And don't even say single target
Shadow Rider uses Psychic lol

[bold geode]

But yeah like
Does Miraidon have spread options? Yes
Are they as good or better than Astral? Nah

[stone trellis]

Cool.

[bold geode]

When did you take that pic of me

[stone trellis]

?

I'm a little slow, could you please explain?

[real prairie]

boys boys, breath

[bold geode]

Lmao

I'm chill honestly

[stone trellis]

So am I.

[real prairie]

Good shit.

Will be interesting to see what competitive nerfs + buffs come with Champions

[stone trellis]

I just have trauma from trying to use CSR.

[bold geode]

So skill issue

[cyan smelt]

I like using zama

[next stump]

i really do hope champions has some balance changes

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-the-cowardly-dog-courage-stupid-dog-eustace-bagge-gif-26560154

[stone trellis]

Nerfs: Ice Rider Calyrex will no longer be able to hold any items at all, nor will it be allowed to Tera.
Buffs: CSR will be allowed to hold three items, be immune to Ghost and Dark-type moves and have a dual type Tera. Also, Incineroar learns Wicked Blow.

[bold geode]

buffs Incineroar

[cyan smelt]

Intimidate now lowers attack and sp attack

[latent ember]

i'd imagine we see Miraidon lose access to dazzling gleam

[real prairie]

Can see Astral and Glacial getting accuracy or damage drops

[stone trellis]

Quick, give CSR Competitive + As One!

[real prairie]

Miraidon and Koraidon buffs from abilities mulitplier reduced

[latent ember]

tera fairy miraidon with hadron engine in the place of fairy aura was really just a baby xerneas

[latent ember]

probably 1.3->1.2, i could see it

[stone trellis]

Would Incin even do anything with Wicked Blow?

[cyan smelt]

Imagine xerneas+ tera fairy miraidon dazzling gleam

[stone trellis]

1,33, but yeah.

[bold geode]

One argument I saw a while back that I think like makes sense and doesn't is like
The horses should have to carry the reins

[bold geode]

Nah
Make Precipice and Origin fully accurate

[stone trellis]

Should Necrozma have to carry the N-Lunarizer?

[cyan smelt]

It's no different from necrozma or kyurem

[real prairie]

yeah can see Kyogre and Groudon getting buffs

[stone trellis]

Get this man a job at Game Freak, this is the type of shit we need.

Maybe not Kyogre, he's a special attacker.

[latent ember]

ultra necrozma's transformation condition should mimic rayquaza's mega condition, just having photon geyser learned, this way ultra necrozma can exist outside of Z-Move formats

[strange fjord]

nah make Astral Barrage and Glacial Lance inaccurate

[real prairie]

Still need a decent water move

specifically a single target one

[latent ember]

what do we all think about the removal of IVs in champions now that we've had months to process it?

[real prairie]

and fuck me give the whale flip turn, im begging

[stone trellis]

Make Chien-Pao faster.

Primal Kyogre with a mixed set would be unironically hilarious.

[latent ember]

oh fuck no 😭

[stone trellis]

It's slow enough to where it can run Brave anyway.

[real prairie]

means less diversity in builds outside of EV investment

[stone trellis]

And 150 Attack is serious stuff.

[latent ember]

honestly i still see primal kyogre as less of an issue than primal groudon

groudon only being weak to ground in primordial sunlight is so dumb

[stone trellis]

Pdon will be fun to see.

[real prairie]

im just begging because i run scarf Kyogre lol

would be nice to have an exit option

[latent ember]

at least miraidon can erase primal kyogre

[cyan smelt]

Primal Groudon and chien pao

[stone trellis]

Especially since it just shits on Koraidon.

[latent ember]

groudon? still feels like you need a primal to counter him

[bold geode]

Imma say the controversial thing

[real prairie]

Primal Groudon and Miraidon sounds vicious

[bold geode]

The horses do not need nerfs

[stone trellis]

Zacian, Pdon and the guy whose name you cannot abbreviate.

[stone trellis]

True.

[latent ember]

why's that?

[real prairie]

stat wise they are fine, their moves do

[bold geode]

Sure both Calyrex forms are busted, but we're getting rid of tera probably at least for the first restricted format and THAT'S imo what made them insanely broken in SV

[real prairie]

maybe give CSR a speed nerf, but IDK

[latent ember]

yeah they do have pretty shit typing

honestly i wouldn't hate a small stat nerf

[stone trellis]

Imagine Icy if it was Ice + a better typing.

[latent ember]

i hate inconsistent moves so i don't really want an accuracy change to be the nerf

[bold geode]

Like Calyrex Shadow Rider being able to turn to a Dark type to resist it's weaknesses and be immune to Prankster moves is pretty bullshit LMFAO

[stone trellis]

Yeah, CSR loves Tera.

[latent ember]

what no one is ready for is the rise of base-caylrex meta

[real prairie]

only bullshit because of its busted speed

[bold geode]

Also like
Especially with CSR brother
If it's in a format with megas, it's gotta deal with Mega Kang bro

Sucker Punch beats it's ass thru Sash

[latent ember]

how will shadow rider escape the wrath of fluttermane after losing tera 🤔

[stone trellis]

Or gaining a 33% boost to its strongest spread move with Tera Ghost.

[latent ember]

i hate to admit it but like

yeah we probably need a fluttermane nerf

even though i love the guy

[stone trellis]

And base Kangaskhan can use Fake Out into CSR anyway.

[real prairie]

from my understanding, parental bond the 2nd hit will always be normal type going forward.

But don't think there is confirmation of that

[latent ember]

idk wtf they'd do tho

[real prairie]

and it wont do the additional effects, just the damage

[stone trellis]

So even without Parental Bond, CSR's still screwed.

[latent ember]

so what you're saying is we can bring back power up punch

[stone trellis]

How much would Power-Up Punch even do to Zamazenta?

30%?

[latent ember]

i hate to say it but

i could totally see a world where mega rayquaza is just

like barely top 8 usage

honestly probably less

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2478801536-v0txv75w0d3c6t1e3ix8y5cceal9dr2pw

just a disgusting mirror matchup LOL

[stone trellis]

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhan-Mega in Psychic Terrain: 160-189 (75.4 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[stone trellis]

Remember, it outspeeds Mega Midgarde.

And it + Chien-Pao or even Chi-Yu for special sets would be pretty broken.

Actually, hold on.

Mega Ray + Chi-Yu is kinda fire, why didn't anyone think of this?

[latent ember]

mega zygarde is honestly such a gimmick lmao

[stone trellis]

I know.

I've been saying that it'll only be broken in singles for a while now.

[latent ember]

yeah based

honestly

i think it might similar to hard-trick room

[stone trellis]

And someone was trying to argue that it could stack gimmicks (so Mega + Tera) because they didn't want to admit that Chien-Pao and Zacian wipe their ass with it.

[latent ember]

as in like, it'll stomp newer-intermediate players but it'll rarely be viable in high level gameplay

[foggy lodge]

Mega Zarde probably will be ass

You would have to run like incin grimmsnarl comfey or some shit like that

[stone trellis]

Hard TR won a regional, didn't it?

[foggy lodge]

And just to make it technically work

[latent ember]

yeah but i always saw that as an outlier

[foggy lodge]

hard tr won 2

[latent ember]

i could see m zygarde winning at least a regional or two eventually

[stone trellis]

I still think (Mega) Rayquaza + Chi-Yu is sauced up.

[foggy lodge]

Stockholm by Michael Derbeste and Brisbane by Diego Ferreira

[stone trellis]

Guess who was on both of these.

[foggy lodge]

Hard TR is a fraud without CIR tho

[latent ember]

CIR without tera is gonna be so washed 😭 🙏

[stone trellis]

Yeah, mr. Emma Cheeks is kind of the GOAT of Trick Room.

[stone trellis]

Not as much as CSR, to be honest.

[foggy lodge]

Reg G was the only format where hard TR accomplished stuff

[latent ember]

idk at least he's still a fast frail overpowered focus sash user

[foggy lodge]

Top 8 worlds finals at a regional 2 major wins etc etc

[bold geode]

No shot right

[latent ember]

CSR is turning into a shitty Deoxys-Speed in champions looool

[stone trellis]

Yeah, but now he doesn't have a get out of jail free card against Urshifu or Whimsicott.

[bold geode]

I feel like that's actually might be a bit better for Kang tbh

[latent ember]

attack*

[stone trellis]

Deo-A was already a shittier CSR.

[bold geode]

Cuz like especially if Mega Kang get Power Up Punch again, you boost your Atk once then hit with +1 Normal type PUP and get boosted again

[stone trellis]

Wait, Normal type?

[latent ember]

sure but that was in tera formats, i feel like the script might flip

[bold geode]

@chrome knot hai stimky

[foggy lodge]

Mega Clef is my shayla

[stone trellis]

Will that hit CSR?

[foggy lodge]

Mega Clef please be good

[stone trellis]

I wanna see Dnite with Aerilate.

[bold geode]

I really want Mega Clef to be good

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-ribombee-please-survive-ribombee-please-survive-this-gif-1817000929884114750

[latent ember]

give me freedom
give me fire
give me a broken ability
or i retire

[bold geode]

Give Aerilate to Mega Clef
It has Hyper Voice

[latent ember]

i'm cryin bru unless Ultra Necrozma gets somekind of buff it's so over for it 😭

[foggy lodge]

Mega Clef walls Zygarde tho

[stone trellis]

Necrozma is cooked.

[foggy lodge]

Not Mega Zygarde because nihil light is a funny move

[stone trellis]

Nihil Light.

[foggy lodge]

But it walls base Zygarde

[latent ember]

necrozma having to hold an item makes it so washed

[bold geode]

Also can I just say fuck regular Kangaskhan

Why does it have two abilities to block Intimidate

[foggy lodge]

Regular Kangaskhan❤️

[latent ember]

😔

[foggy lodge]

It will be one of those mons where you can delay the mega too

[bold geode]

Her greed sickens me

[stone trellis]

And it hits through your glorious king's immunity

[foggy lodge]

So you can take advantage from the base abilities and stuff

[latent ember]

at least we know one thing will remain true

[foggy lodge]

Fake out CSR❤️

Sucker punch CSR ❤️

[stone trellis]

Fake Out into Flutter Mane will be so funny.

[chrome knot]

monke dont try to play at work,,, i almkst lost vry easy mu

[latent ember]

urshifu is gonna be just as broken in champions ❤️‍🩹 ||unless it gets nerfed||

[foggy lodge]

Please nerf sifu

[stone trellis]

"You lived Glacial Lance turn 1? Who decided that?"

[foggy lodge]

If it hitted with only 25% of even 50% it would be fine

100% is too much

[bold geode]

What do you think I do everyday

[stone trellis]

Either way, I want its Speed to remain as is.

[latent ember]

we're taking an urshifu nerf over fluttermane nerf ANY DAY OF THE WEEK

[foggy lodge]

fr

[stone trellis]

Nerf Flutter Mane, I don't fuck eith the design.

[latent ember]

#makeprotectgreatagain

[foggy lodge]

My only problem with Flutter Mane is that it gets too many stupid moves actually

[latent ember]

how dare you

[foggy lodge]

tf you mean it gets twave and sunny day LMAO

[bold geode]

No bro
Both abilities are good
Scrappy let's it hit Ghost types and Inner Focus makes you immune to flinching so you can use it against other Kang or Incineroar
The greed sickens me

[stone trellis]

I don't particularly like Shifu either, but I like being able to kill CSR.

[bold geode]

Ok y'know what pissed me off

Why doesn't Scream Tail get Snarl

[foggy lodge]

IT DOESN'T GET IT?

[stone trellis]

Mega Gallade should be one of the best anti-Incin tools, actually.

[latent ember]

you're telling me it DIDN'T need
perish song, twave, trick room (NOT EVEN A PSYCHIC TYPE LOL), sunny day, imprison, taunt, helping hand, pain split, and fake tears???

[foggy lodge]

I think sharpness gallade already hits harder than mega gallade LOL

[bold geode]

NO BRO I CHECKED WHEN I FIRST USED IT

[latent ember]

100%

[foggy lodge]

i forgot it got perish LOL

[bold geode]

I was like "why tf does it not get that"

[latent ember]

screamtail buffs PLEAAAAASE

my 2nd favorite mon OAT

[bold geode]

While fucking Gyarados gets Helping Hand
Bitch the fuck are you using there

[foggy lodge]

i remember that a japan nats flutter with tr won the whole thing

[latent ember]

love that dude

[foggy lodge]

Is so bullshit

[stone trellis]

Let alone Calm Mind, Nasty Plot or Icy Wind.

[foggy lodge]

My man

[latent ember]

HEY!! LEAVE ICY WIND ALONE!! 😭

[foggy lodge]

I've been a Scream Tail main this whole year

[stone trellis]

Nah, I will be on Flutter's ass forever for the fact that it learns Icy Wind.

[foggy lodge]

Terapagos Heatran balance❤️

Koraidon CSR Scream Tail❤️

[stone trellis]

Remove that move from its movepool, what the fuck does it have?

[foggy lodge]

Bolt CM Scream Tail❤️

[stone trellis]

(It's still strong, it just can't do good Speed control)

[foggy lodge]

Having speed control is also a bit too much

[latent ember]

counter argument:

[stone trellis]

I need to start using a new Reg J team, man.

[foggy lodge]

Its like it just does too much

[bold geode]

Honestly one of my favorite moves gotta be Helping Hand

[stone trellis]

I really want to use Rayquaza and actually win a game or two with it before Reg J is over.

Mainly because:

1. I love that guy
2. I have a shiny that I want to flex

[latent ember]

also buff the gen 4 box legendaries

just give the origin forms a new ability or sum bru idk why they thought pressure was the move

theres telepathy too but

[stone trellis]

The Origin Forms with a BST of 700 and a new ability would be viable.

[bold geode]

One of my favorite things to do against the teams that would lead Incineroar Grimmsnarl in Reg I against Shadow Rider was to just Tera Dark Nasty Plot T1 and Fake Out something then to just Helping Hand +2 Astral Barrage and flip off the screens Grimmsnarl set up

[stone trellis]

I truly believe in special Rayquaza + Chi-Yu.

[foggy lodge]

Were the gen 4 legendaries good

[bold geode]

When?

In Gen 6?

[foggy lodge]

Palkia got top 4 at worlds wait

[stone trellis]

Wolfey used Dialga to win a regional in 2016.

[foggy lodge]

Wolfey won something with Dialga too LOL

Yeah a regional

[latent ember]

Palkia Origin introduces: WATER-CALCUM PULSE
SETS UP RAIN AND GIVES IT A 33% BUFF IN THE RAIN

cinema

[bold geode]

Palkia got top 4 at worlds in 22 and yeah Wolfe won a regional with Dialga and apparently then Dialga apparently had a niche of matching up well into a decent amount of restricted

[stone trellis]

Primal Kyogre would still find a way to be better.

[latent ember]

😔

[foggy lodge]

I'm guessing Kyogre and Mega Ray

Cuz I also saw a clip of his Dialga getting sniped by a pblades lol

[stone trellis]

Yes.

[latent ember]

and honestly

[bold geode]

Yeah Kyogre
Mega Ray
If you get TR up you probably do some damage to Xerneas?
And I guess if you use Kyogre with it you do only gotta worry about P Blades from Primal Groudon so

[stone trellis]

Or maybe even mixed.

[latent ember]

give reshiram and zekrom the abilities of koraidon (but for special attack) and miraidon (but for physical attack)

[foggy lodge]

Tera fairy tera blast Chi-Yu + Xerneas

[latent ember]

they wouldn't even be meta, they just wouldn't be ass anymore

[foggy lodge]

It also resists fighting so its not even a bad defensive tera lol

[latent ember]

like holy shit i'd rather run mewtwo over reshiram or zekrom

[bold geode]

Just run Shadow Rider at that point

Shadow Rider is a better Mewtwo

[stone trellis]

Any ideas?

[latent ember]

yeah i know

just stressing how ass reshiram and zekrom are

[latent ember]

ngl i am not a rayquaza believer

as much as i'd love to be proven wrong

same with necrozma

[bold geode]

I think it's funny as hell they literally power crept Mewtwo with Shadow Rider

[latent ember]

giving CSR Unerve +special moxie was the last nail in the coffin 😭

[stone trellis]

I don't believe in it either, I just want to do it for the flex.

Imagine getting dunked on by fucking Rayquaza of all things.

[latent ember]

WHICH IS WHY

WE'RE GIVING MEWTWO

psychic terrain hadron engine

cinema

[stone trellis]

Nah, give it special Intimidate.

[latent ember]

mega mewtwo x gets special intimidate
y gets psychic engine

[bold geode]

Bro was getting power crept enough but they said "nah it's not enough, let's make the same fucking Pokemon but broken"

[latent ember]

x would still be ass LOL

also

give Terrain Pulse to SO many more mons

i love weather ball

[stone trellis]

Terrain Pulse would be fun.

[latent ember]

if weather ball is so good why didn't they make weather ball 2-

[stone trellis]

Is there a Pokemon that punishes Tera Water Ice Rider and isn't named Miraidon?

Oh yeah, Bolt!

[chrome knot]

brah idk i was eating dirt

not rly i slammed my opponent it just felt like i was losing bc i couldnt watch LOL

[latent ember]

oh thats kinda cool, mega blastoise gets mega-launcher buffed terrain pulse

prolly won't be good but

a cool buff

[stone trellis]

I wonder how much Modest Beads of Ruin Tera Stellar Rayquaza Draco does.

[latent ember]

we're giving mega blastoise origin pulse

pokerouge ass buff

would mega blastoise at-all appreciate becoming Water/Steel?

[stone trellis]

252+ SpA Tera Stellar Beads of Ruin Rayquaza Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 166-196 (80.1 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Oh my God, I get it.

[stone trellis]

Being neutral to Grass is certainly nice.

[latent ember]

i was unimpressed until i realized this is base rayquaza

[stone trellis]

(Tera Stellar BoR FT does 60% at most lol)

[stone trellis]

150 Special Attack is 150 Special Attack.

[latent ember]

ay if Mega Char X gets to be neutral to Water then how come blastoise can't be neutral to grass 🤔

[stone trellis]

Stop noticing!

400 billion buffs to Charizard.

[latent ember]

worst part is

mega charizard isn't even his strongest form by a long shot

all hail gigantamax zard

a universe where gen 8 zaican didn't have to worry about gigantamax zard sounds like hell

[stone trellis]

Don't worry, now it'll have prime Groudon to worry about as well.

Imagine Rinya sun with Pdon.

[latent ember]

oh boy

dmax formats with primals are gonna be interesting

if that even happens

[stone trellis]

I could go Draco, EP, Tailwind and Protect.

EP kills Incin anyway.

(So does Draco before Tera, that shit is cracked)

[latent ember]

i see the vision

with the right team could be decent

[stone trellis]

Now I need to figure out everybody else around the two.

[latent ember]

what 2nd restricted are you thinking abt?

[stone trellis]

No idea.

I need someone who doesn't depend on weather.

[latent ember]

hmm

[stone trellis]

So Koraidon and Groudon are out.

[cyan smelt]

Lunala

[stone trellis]

For what purpose?

[cyan smelt]

Wide guard

[latent ember]

lunala and zama are kinda the "make shitty restricteds decent" restricteds

[stone trellis]

Holy shit, Indeedee.

[latent ember]

my favorite restricted

[stone trellis]

I could make the most disgusting HO team of all time.

[cyan smelt]

Nah since it's flying type it can still get faked out

[stone trellis]

Shit.

[cyan smelt]

Farig

[stone trellis]

Farig is kinda buns without Miraidon, but there is another option.

[latent ember]

yh

you could run miraidon

although no-wide guard is scary

[stone trellis]

Lunala is better here.

[latent ember]

prolly

[stone trellis]

It and Rayquaza are just middling enough that they can work both in Tailwind and in TR (at least Lunala).

[latent ember]

well if you're not running indeedee

then it's probably worth using rillaboom

[stone trellis]

Rilla would be fun if it wasn't weak to CIR, but I can just run Impish.

And it enables Farigiraf.

We already have the F and the G, all we need now is the W.

[latent ember]

so

rayray
luna
farig
rilla

[stone trellis]

And Chi-Yu.

[latent ember]

right

fuck it

urshifu rapid, gg

might as well go for the best W type :P

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2478823409-cbnq3uqraohp1akvtnr422r5emd5jdhpw

Playing scream tail is a puzzle

[stone trellis]

WaterPon is objectively better in this scenario if we use Scarf Chi-Yu.

Sash is taken and I do NOT trust Mystic Water.

[latent ember]

howl
scale shot
"we have dragon dance at home"

[latent ember]

what's ur scream tail set?

[latent ember]

welp you've got the general idea of the mons, odds are it won't work of the first try but i'd be interested to know how it goes if you'd tell me once you've tried it

very cool team

[foggy lodge]

Scream Tail @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Encore
• Disable
• Dazzling Gleam

I just maxed out speed to outspeed Ogerpon without the proto boost

You could lower it anyways

Tera ghost has been pretty huge lol

[latent ember]

atp why even run the booster energy? who else are you trying to outspeed?

[foggy lodge]

Avoid fake out stuff into balance which is the tech for

[latent ember]

genuinely asking, i haven't kept up with reg f great lol

[foggy lodge]

Chien Pao, non booster flutter like specs, scarf shifu, tornadus, landorus

For the occasional lando scarf

It also outspeeds some stuff even with tailwind with max speed

[dense latch]

outspeeding scarf ursh and specs flutter is especially important so you can directly disable them into struggling or switching out

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

I went ghost for fake out and like the ghost weakness wasn't a great problem rn

Tera grass is also good for amoonguss

[latent ember]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2478838220-10ta631rewfln2hx9whcrfx3gkb3ljopw

SCREAM IF YOU LOVE GRASSY GLIDE!!

pls don't judge my low elo gameplay

[bold geode]

LOL
Yeah I have that too or I've developed a real bad habit of hitting the skip turn button in games

And just not checking what happened LMAO

[chrome knot]

no i was jus

making 4 mcdoubles and couldnt watch lmfao

wentntt oooaaah i won ok coolio

[bold geode]

"So I clicked E Speed and then put the fries in the bag"

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2478803902-6ox831giyo1mp8ltja79hgctgm3x8hrpw

[bold geode]

You know
That's the first Sneasler I've seen on a Psychic terrain team this format and I'm honestly still wondering why there aren't more

[cyan smelt]

Hehehe I like when ivy cudgel goes bonk

[latent ember]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2478851944

god i love screamtail

this reg f thing aint so bad ❤️‍🩹

[next stump]

are there any LAIC players here

[chrome knot]

nope but i am a toronto player yay

[latent ember]

im not that good nor have i signed up but i coooould maybe go, it'd be my first vgc event but i am brazilian lol

[next stump]

yoooo same

[chrome knot]

ive been on the reg f grind

[next stump]

i’m having a lot more fun than H

archaludon my worst nemesis

and ursa BM

[cyan smelt]

Need to look at some reg f teams

[chrome knot]

yeah fr

i be clickin espeed and shit dies its fun

[upper zealot]

oh cool i made it onto team of the week in the vgc chatroom on showdown

[forest arrow]

Dogi is hilarious

https://tenor.com/view/okidogi-pokemon-heart-retweet-cute-gif-27646147

Funny lil guy

[short quiver]

i like fezendipiti

i just like fairy types tbh

dark fairy and electric

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2478957693-k8aq3esmkvhijfcpf4079twusbcg7dwpw

is there any faster wincons to make this win less sloppy feeling

[solid frigate]

Chill out dogi lol

[rustic mountain]

sucks the only 1 thats decent outta those 3 is a fringe meta pick

i remember thinking munkidori had potential, then i tested it

[dense latch]

at least fez and munkidori got their redemption in the tcg

[rustic mountain]

haha i guess

[forest arrow]

Fr lol Munkidori seemed good especially before the ability drop, wasn’t it shadow tag that was presumed to be

I guess it’s so frail what’s it even gonna do with that ability anyways lol

[molten oasis]

It’s kinda annoying, Okidogi that is

[forest arrow]

But I’m using dogi rn, and it gives the Bolt balance team trouble

[molten oasis]

I’ve thought about bax, may do bax later since I’m still working with Prima

[rustic mountain]

yea i just assumed fast fake out + parting shot was good but munkidori is very much not

[molten oasis]

Could be the lake trio but they’re pretty bad

[rustic mountain]

?

[molten oasis]

Except Dogi hes ok

[molten oasis]

It’s like, the second worst legendary trio

[rustic mountain]

ahhh

[molten oasis]

Pretty sure the lake trio is ass lol

[rustic mountain]

honestly, might be

im blanking on other trios

[molten oasis]

Oh there’s the swords of justice

[rustic mountain]

lake trio is def the worst

[dense latch]

yea i honestly think okidogi alone does more than the lake trio which goes to show how bad that trio is

[molten oasis]

The kanto birds, johto dogs, Regis, lake trio, swords of justice and genies

[forest arrow]

Isn’t like the only thing the lake trio does is explode

[dense latch]

like unless your favorite mon is one of them like why

[forest arrow]

Or azelf at least lol

[molten oasis]

Yes lmao

Can’t even use expanding force

[rustic mountain]

can we really consider the regis and genies a trio still?

[molten oasis]

Oh, right they got new guys