i still don't know how to play vs farig tho
#competitive_discussion
dense latch
cyan smelt
Man I kinda want to use roaring moon as well
cyan smelt
What's Japan balance
dense latch
bolt rilla incin pao ursh lando
cyan smelt
Seems solid
foggy lodge
252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 244 HP / 68 SpD Incineroar in Sun: 89-105 (44.2 - 52.2%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Camerupt-Mega Eruption (150 BP) vs. 244 HP / 68 SpD Incineroar: 57-68 (28.3 - 33.8%) -- 0.7% chance to 3HKO
Mega Camerupt is such a fraud why do people hype this mon
Its only good thing is having earth power
But like you are using it for a eruption bot anyways
cyan smelt
Can't even set sun smh
shadow wind
Mega Camerupt is such a fraud why do people hype this mon
Primal Groudon cope
dense latch
i'm convinced game freak mixed up the flinch and miss chances for icicle crash
cyan smelt
I don't think dragon dance roaring moon is the play with so many scarf mons around
solemn flicker
Im on Reg F scrims if anyone needs them.
cyan smelt
Maybe when I get tilted I should leave the battle like other people do rather than rage at my opponent
next stump
you definitely should lol, raging on showdown is a bad habit to get into
dapper swan
I don't think dragon dance roaring moon is the play with so many scarf mons arou...
I run dd roaring moon too its really good
dapper swan
Anyone down for a reg f set?
cyan smelt
What are you running with roaring moon? I liked the look of the Melbourne regional team from last year, the rm balance
It's gc week so ofc there's gonna be a lot of random teams on ladder
dapper swan
What are you running with roaring moon? I liked the look of the Melbourne region...
Im running knock off, acrobatics, protect and dragon dance
With booster energy
Its really strong
cyan smelt
What about teammates
waxen dock
waxen dock
reg f is just one big guessing game
you need to know whats your opponent moves, mons in the back and what he predicts you will do
cyan smelt
i'm not good at any of that
waxen dock
and i lost a near guarntedd win cuz of heat wave miss
and a low roll
thats why i lose
cuz of luck and bad prediction
and sometimes bad play but most of the time the 2 things i said
i had like 70% to win and 30% to lose
and i got the 30
real prairie
Morning
cyan smelt
looks like a sydney regional got announced for early feb, will that be reg f?
dapper swan
What about teammates
Incin ghold amoongus lando and p2
thorn sierra
i need some help with my team, im looking for a 6th party member what should i add (nat dex doubles)
I used to have porygon 2 with thunderbolt, trickroom and icebeam for coverage and he works well im just too dumb to use him properly
i also usually run psychic on cresselia instead of trickroom but i will need another trickroom user anyways, and crecelia doesnt output that much damage anyways
i considered mega diancie for the 'surprise speedster' kinda thing but Landorus therian works just fine with rockslide,
solid frigate
-> psychium Z on Eggexcutor
-> Trick Room Being the only Psychic Move
thorn sierra
yeah
trickroom psychium z increases accuracy
so i can do 100% sleep powder
in trickroom with a slow pokemon
I dont get why this pokemon was called bad bc its lowkey a degenrate strategy
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-2474701728
tried mega scizor and it did numbers sheesh
solid frigate
in trickroom with a slow pokemon
thorn sierra
but amoongus cant learn trickroom ;-;
solid frigate
-> Works in Trick Room
-> has a 100% Accurate Sleep move
->Better defensive typing
->really doesn’t care if you have TR set up
->redirection
thorn sierra
idk i like my palm tree
waxen dock
https://tenor.com/view/amoonguss-pokemon-fungus-my-beloved-amoongus-my-beloved-g...
oh hell no
thorn sierra
oh hell no
EXACTLY this guy gets it
solid frigate
oh hell no
waxen dock
https://tenor.com/view/amoonguss-shimmy-foongus-dance-pokemon-dance-gif-76503669...
i hate this mon
thorn sierra
;-;
The good thing about exeggutor and psychium z is that it also kinda guarantees a trickroom even through taunt
solid frigate
Mental herb in the corner
bold geode
Wtf am I seeing
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
bold geode
Trick Room has no accuracy and idt sleep powder is affected either by psychium z
thorn sierra
Trick Room has no accuracy and idt sleep powder is affected either by psychium z
z trickroom increses the accuracy stat of the pokemon that uses it
molten oasis
Wtf am I seeing
thorn sierra
I SWEAR ITS SOMETHING respect the tree
bold geode
What is that horseshit
thorn sierra
regular exeggutor is objectively worse though
its fat and short, and has terrible weaknesses
hollow echo
hey
thorn sierra
Alolan exeggutor is 6'7 dl trade
hollow echo
here is example https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-247470...
how can you put steel type in sleep?
thorn sierra
only grass immune to powder moves
thorn sierra
and steel is not immune to sleep only goldhengo
hollow echo
what about gold pokemon
solid frigate
what about gold pokemon
Dengo?
thorn sierra
goldhengo has the ability 'as good a gold' which makes it immune to status
hollow echo
i see
molten oasis
its fat and short, and has terrible weaknesses
Grass dragon is pretty bad too
solid frigate
Also Harvest Strat for regular Eggy works
waxen dock
Grass dragon is pretty bad too
Also that
real prairie
charging $50/hour for coaching, I really need to win an event just so I can rob people 🤣
In saying that, I think that feels like more than it is because of the currency difference
solid frigate
charging $50/hour for coaching, I really need to win an event just so I can rob ...
Tbf they would still be satisfied on actually helping people to reach new peaks
Money,probably robbed
Satisfaction,Reached
bold geode
charging $50/hour for coaching, I really need to win an event just so I can rob ...
Rizzo charges $90
real prairie
Yeah, At that price id expect a top 16 or money back guarantee 🤣
waxen dock
Rizzo charges $90
would people even buy in that amount?
i think reasonable charging is up to 40$
bold geode
would people even buy in that amount?
Bro I hope whoever buys that session wins the amount of fucking titles he has instantly
bold geode
Yeah, At that price id expect a top 16 or money back guarantee 🤣
Not even bro
I want a Worlds title at that rate
waxen dock
yeah
bold geode
Idc if he's a 3 time
That's like two water bills for me dawg
bold geode
Bro's asking for a utility payment for an hour of coaching
real prairie
I was trying to be nice but glad we are on the same boat haha
waxen dock
its just helping people in videogame
real prairie
Bro's asking for a utility payment for an hour of coaching
half a car payment 🤣
waxen dock
is it that hard?
bold geode
I was trying to be nice but glad we are on the same boat haha
Oh nah $90 is outrageous, I'm gonna be harsh
bold geode
is it that hard?
$40 is like decently reasonable in a sense if they have like actual accolades right
waxen dock
$40 is like decently reasonable in a sense if they have like actual accolades ri...
but ita a lot of money
bold geode
Personally if I was offering it after some great results I'd do like idk
20?
waxen dock
Personally if I was offering it after some great results I'd do like idk
20?
seems reasonable
real prairie
$40 is like decently reasonable in a sense if they have like actual accolades ri...
I could win worlds Tomorrow, Id coach people for free for content and post it online or stream it lol
bold geode
but ita a lot of money
Yeah but it's also an investment you don't just
Chuck out there
bold geode
I could win worlds Tomorrow, Id coach people for free for content and post it on...
Oh that too
Or I'd do like Wolfe if anything
Make a Patreon but still like give free advice
Like "hey I'd help you out for free but like if you want a lil more, this screen gonna ask you a couple questions"
real prairie
Oh that too
Or I'd do like Wolfe if anything
Make a Patreon but still like give...
Much more money to be made in content then there ever will be on 1on1 coaching
bold geode
Idk if you're well known that's a good bit
real prairie
ive seen some people charging and its group lessons too
real prairie
Idk if you're well known that's a good bit
Winning something is a good place to start in getting views
waxen dock
ive seen some people charging and its group lessons too
if it groups im not pying more than 5$
bold geode
I think coaching anyways is just more of like a side job/hustle if anything
real prairie
"Reacting to my Regional final win"
bold geode
Like people do it for the extra cash on the side
waxen dock
I think coaching anyways is just more of like a side job/hustle if anything
yeah
so why do people charge that much
for some people its double their salary
bold geode
so why do people charge that much
Well if you have accolades like
In a sense you can charge that much
The people charge how much they feel it's worth in a way
waxen dock
Well if you have accolades like
In a sense you can charge that much
but its not that with coaching you become the next like justin tang or joeux9
bold geode
Like if you got 3 regional wins then like 40 bucks is like
It's still a lot but with the accolades and depending on the advice you can get y'know
waxen dock
you at best, do top 8 in regional
real prairie
Its seen as a lot because its Pokemon and a video game, but like in reality its getting a lesson from the best in their field.
How much would private golf lessons from Rory Mcllroy cost 🤷♂️
waxen dock
and even that is a pretty low chance
bold geode
but its not that with coaching you become the next like justin tang or joeux9
Yeah but that's the thing
That comes with practice and other factors anyways
Like you want my best advice? Play the game
waxen dock
its just giving advice on team and how to handle specific mu
bold geode
Yeah idk it's weird like
I can't really trash on it but like
It's just not for me
Also I think as well that if for example Justin Tang offered shit for like $5 he'd have way too many folks tryna come in
Like I feel like with the prices there's also a sense of tryna limit how many people do it which like
It sounds shitty cuz it's less accessible in a sense but at the same time the more people there are asking for coaching the more people you'd have to cram into your life schedule
real prairie
again why things like Patreons make more sense to me personally, but oh well
Id be stuborn and tell them im never dropping Ludi anyway
🤣
bold geode
again why things like Patreons make more sense to me personally, but oh well
See the main reason why I prefer Patreon in this sense is cuz of the fact that the posts and stuff stay there
waxen dock
I think the priblem with patreon is that its lesa personal
bold geode
Like so I have Wolfe's for example right
Yeah sure some might be like "oh you're doing it cuz it's Wolfe or whatever" like no bitch
It's cuz I can look back on something that was posted 3 months ago and watch it again
bold geode
I think the priblem with patreon is that its lesa personal
Yeah I see that
Idk my other thing like
Yeah sure coaching CAN help, but like
Most of the work no matter what anyways is gonna come down to you playing the game
waxen dock
Idk my other thing like
Yeah sure coaching CAN help, but like
Most of the work n...
Exactly
Thats why i think coaching shouldnt be that expensivr
bold geode
Yeah idk
It's odd cuz like
Honestly I feel like that argument also will just be around
Like even if everyone did like 15-20, there'd be someone like "why ain't it 10"
It's not a perfect system but hey people get paid from it so
Anyways God
Tonight I need to start grinding for my GC team LOL
I've put it off so much
Brain been working in Reg F
waxen dock
Anyways God
Tonight I need to start grinding for my GC team LOL
O think i registered
I just changed 1 mon
waxen dock
Anyways God
Tonight I need to start grinding for my GC team LOL
Dont you have enough materials already?
dapper swan
Anyone down for some reg f scrims?
bold geode
Dont you have enough materials already?
Probably not but it won't take long
waxen dock
Idk yet what i want to run in reg f
Im not familiar with this format enough
But i need those wins in reg f
chrome knot
Anyways God
Tonight I need to start grinding for my GC team LOL
lolz hf
bold geode
lolz hf
Thankfully it's not much
Building one from scratch that isn't too complicated
Redoing my Incineroar and then some minor EV changes and a Tera change
Not much but like I'd rather the finished team just be on my desk already lol
gentle cragBOT
Thankfully it's not much
Building one from scratch that isn't too complicated
R...
dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi
shadow wind
So did I cook or did I burn the kitchen down
stone trellis
What is this supposed to be?
shadow wind
My goats
dense latch
favorite pokemon for each type
shadow wind
You see the Loudred
dense latch
doubt loudred would be there if it was competitive
stone trellis
Fair.
dense latch
first time i see someone have a liking for loudred i thought that mon had 0 fans
molten oasis
So did I cook or did I burn the kitchen down
Send link
shadow wind
I realized I don't like that many normal types
And I don't like the bears very much
molten oasis
Ty
shadow wind
Big fan of Buzzwole
molten oasis
dense latch
competitive has made me love some mons i dont think i would otherwise
shadow wind
Yveltal mentioned
stone trellis
Glad we both agree on Rayquaza being the best Flying type.
Great minds think alike.
shadow wind
Naganadel, didn't realize you were chill like that
dense latch
i totally skipped past naganadel as my poison type
dense latch
I realized I don't like that many normal types
also same
dense latch
cyndaquil gliscor and dragapult are my top three
shadow wind
Goated top 3
You can tell a lot about a person based on which poison type they picked
stone trellis
My top 3 are Mega Ray, Swampert (the whole Mudkip line really) and Ultra Necrozma.
stone trellis
You can tell a lot about a person based on which poison type they picked
What does my pick say about me?
shadow wind
This is like reading palms let me think real quick
dense latch
peak ultra beast
shadow wind
Clodsire means you have a preference for the newer games and their mechanics but deep down you would like to go back to gen 2
stone trellis
3, but aight.
shadow wind
Wooper is from gen 2 give me a break
stone trellis
I have never touched anything related to Gen 2.
shadow wind
Wasn't Naganadel ubers in Gen 7?
I feel like I heard something about that but I'm not familiar with those gens
molten oasis
There’s a bunch of competitive bias in there but meh
chrome knot
yay
molten oasis
Guys I think everyone likes Hearthflame and chien pao
molten oasis
Zacian!
shadow wind
Not picking Pao was hard for me
molten oasis
I love chien pao
chrome knot
chien pao is just cool
chrome knot
stone trellis
Never try to abbreviate Chien-Pao
Worst mistake of my life
molten oasis
Maybe I'll play some Reg F
Reg f is fun
Unlike the past 3 regs, for the most part. G is okay
short quiver
chat its a miracle my lgs has pokemon cards I can buy
shadow wind
Well I mean I liked G and I
stone trellis
Same here.
shadow wind
Hated H though
stone trellis
The hate towards restricted formats is so fucking forced sometimes.
shadow wind
Real
short quiver
i liked reg C
shadow wind
My first ever format was F I think
short quiver
i liked reg C
it promoted creativity 😔
stone trellis
Mine was G round 2.
shadow wind
Unlike now when I use Groudon
stone trellis
I started playing basically right after San Antonio.
shadow wind
Wait maybe it was F
Cause I remember I used Sinistcha on my first team
I can only remember like 3 mons from my first team and I wish I could see it again
Iron hands
Grimmsnarl
Sinistcha
forest arrow
shadow wind
Not a single serious looking normal type was picked 🥀
stone trellis
This man plays HO.
forest arrow
Don’t diss Koraidon or chi Yu
stone trellis
Nah, I fuck with both of them.
shadow wind
Escavalier is top tier
molten oasis
Nice
shadow wind
Alolan Marowak might be in my top 3 mons
forest arrow
Such a goat
shadow wind
Bro would've packed up CIR
stone trellis
How?
molten oasis
Yeah how?
stone trellis
Physical attacker, right?
shadow wind
Yup
stone trellis
Yeah, he ain't doing shit.
shadow wind
290 max attack with thick club
stone trellis
Icy lives super effective Shifu Surging Strikes with less than max HP and no Defense investment.
shadow wind
252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Calyrex-Ice: 194-230 (94.1 - 111.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
stone trellis
All that work just to be redirected to Hearthflame.
solid frigate
That grovyle is 100% Mystery dungeon lol
forest arrow
Shhhh lol
shadow wind
252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Flare Blitz vs. 188 HP / 52 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 177-208 (98.8 - 116.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
forest arrow
sceptile is truly my fav grass starter but I specifically put grovyle for that reason so you aren’t wrong lol
shadow wind
That Ogerpon is exploding
stone trellis
Also, that 45 base Speed works against Marowak in any scenario where Icy is fine with staying outside of Trick Room.
stone trellis
Same goes for my side too.
solid frigate
252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Flare Blitz vs. 188 HP / 52 Def Ogerpon-Hearth...
A bone of Discipline
shadow wind
Yeah but you can't slow your own CIR down
The slower mon typically has the advantage in these types of arguments
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
molten oasis
shadow wind
I love you Marowak
molten oasis
You suck into incin
short quiver
ALOLAN MAROWAK GET LIGHTNING ROD?
shadow wind
Kantonian Marowak gets it so yeah
Rock head is usually better though
Cause Flare blitz
forest arrow
Damn I didn’t know it actually had something to it
shadow wind
Dude it won worlds
forest arrow
I’ve only played comp since S/V
shadow wind
Although that one had lightning rod
stone trellis
Was Primal Groudon legal in that format?
shadow wind
Nah
stone trellis
Didn't think so.
forest arrow
Dude it won worlds
That’s cool tho
stone trellis
Pdon is the much bigger threat for Icy, let's be honest.
molten oasis
Marrowak has potential but getting through incin sucks
shadow wind
Dude just compared a sub 500 bst mon to Primal Groudon
Like that is ever going to be a fair comparison
molten oasis
lol
forest arrow
lol
molten oasis
Need to cook up a team for the format
shadow wind
425 bst to be exact
molten oasis
I wanna use paoshifu
shadow wind
In F?
shadow wind
I can't remember anything that I used in F so I have to start from zero
Wait why are all the formats back
?
Or am I dumb
stone trellis
They never left.
shadow wind
I don't remember seeing these in the team builder before
It's been a while I guess
Regigigas, return to me
stone trellis
Regigigas, return to me
Reminds me of that clip from Ice Age 5 where the buff sloth is saying "come to me, Granny".
shadow wind
😭
shadow wind
shadow wind
I just hit a quad protect
shadow wind
Yeah cause all the ones before
stone trellis
So the odds for hitting n Protects come out as 1/3^(n-1), right?
shadow wind
For that single protect yeah
stone trellis
So the odds for hitting n Protects come out as 1/3^(n-1), right?
A theoretical sextuple Protect would be like, 1/43000000.
stone trellis
Definitely.
252+ SpA Draco Plate Dragon's Maw Regidrago Draco Meteor vs. 244 HP / 68 SpD Incineroar: 186-219 (92.5 - 108.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Draco Plate Dragon's Maw Regidrago Draco Meteor vs. 236 HP / 36 SpD Amoonguss: 210-247 (95.8 - 112.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
shadow wind
Draco meteor is not a spread move twin
cyan smelt
Dragon energy is just funny
lofty tartan
Regidrago, my goat
cyan smelt
They nerfed eleki so Drago could shine
lofty tartan
Probably just gonna mess around with DeeDee/Crown/Drago nonsense 👀
lofty tartan
It's fun because speed boosting Crown can threaten Flutter/Pao so much
Tachyon Cutter is 🔥
lofty tartan
Yeah Crown is just super neat. But it's a funny button team 
cyan smelt
I like funny button moves, make it rain, blood moon
Man I need to practice my mus more with the smeargle balance
lofty tartan
Specifically with Hearthflame, really. I mean more like really stupid spread moves. Dragon Energy/Expanding Force/Water Spout, etc.
Make it Rain probably counts
dense latch
tera fire ivy cudgel does stupid damage
lofty tartan
^
cyan smelt
But we have zacian at home lol
lofty tartan
But yeah, funny buttons are something I consider really just without nuance. Hit the button, laugh as things accidentally fall over
Unexpected KOs
cyan smelt
Helping hand dragon energy sounds hilarious
lofty tartan
It's a bit stupid yeah
dense latch
im probably gonna try out espeed from dnite as my funny button this reg
lofty tartan
It loses pretty rough to priority but that's why you want P.Terrain
molten oasis
But we have zacian at home lol
It’s lowkey better zacian
At least you can reset boost
Zac can’t anymore
cyan smelt
Yeah BC you can switch out to get the boost back
stone trellis
Imagine if Hearthflame had a BST of 660 and was a restricted.
cyan smelt
What attack does it reach with the +1
stone trellis
246, I think?
cyan smelt
Crazy
stone trellis
Max Attack Adamant goes up to 283.
molten oasis
And it’s double stab
lofty tartan
It's partly offensive stats, part bulk, part the fact that it's a grass-type with Follow Me
Which is really bananas
molten oasis
I love Hearthflame
molten oasis
It ain’t incin but yeah
stone trellis
It ain’t incin but yeah
No shit.
short quiver
goatflame is better
stone trellis
Incin has three Worlds wins and countlessly more regional/IC wins.
stone trellis
I love GOATflame, but it is objectively not better.
lofty tartan
Just a bunch of people saying things we all already know 
Hearthflame bonks, Incin good. 🙄
short quiver
hearthflame the bonking queen
molten oasis
Hmm
Yeah, but also intimidate Parting shot fake out is just strong lol
And incin keeps things in check which is good
short quiver
Yeah, but also intimidate Parting shot fake out is just strong lol
why bother when you can just bonk
molten oasis
Calyrex would be a nightmare without incin
lofty tartan
They have different roles.
You're comparing an apple to an orange on how good of a pie it'll be.
short quiver
You're comparing an apple to an orange on how good of a pie it'll be.
orange pie sounds yummy
molten oasis
Hearth is redirect/nuke button while incin is support
stone trellis
Calyrex would be a nightmare without incin
Imagine if Icy didn't need to hold Clam if it wanted to be offensive.
molten oasis
The best support but support
molten oasis
Imagine if Icy didn't need to hold Clam if it wanted to be offensive.
Uhm yeah this lmfao
lofty tartan
Lemon or key lime. Unless you can give me an orange pie worthy of my time.
molten oasis
I might try Regidrago a bit this format
stone trellis
Imagine if Icy didn't need to hold Clam if it wanted to be offensive.
AV would just be able to take any special attack in the game, Never Melt Ice would kill on neutral, etc.
stone trellis
I might try Regidrago a bit this format
I kind of want to try Galarian Moltres, but I also like Regidrago.
short quiver
I might try Regidrago a bit this format
im using gmoltres latios
stone trellis
I have to choose.
lofty tartan
I might try Regidrago a bit this format
It's fun. Not too gimmicky because it can put up results. I wish I had run it in Pittsburgh in 2024
molten oasis
I do have my prima gapdos team
lofty tartan
2024 or 2023 
2023
molten oasis
But I think hearth Drago sounds fun
stone trellis
Galarian Zapdos?
lofty tartan
Anyway. Yeah it's fun.
molten oasis
Galarian Zapdos?
Yep.
lofty tartan
+1 196+ Atk Tera-Flying Zapdos-Galar Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 196+ Def Incineroar: 254-302 (126.3 - 150.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
molten oasis
So I played gapdos and Prima like, most of reg f
stone trellis
+1 196+ Atk Tera-Flying Zapdos-Galar Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 196+ Def Inciner...
Tera Flying wasn't needed here.
molten oasis
It’s good into incin rilla shifu and ogerpon which all suck for Prima
lofty tartan
It was a carryover from a previous calc where I clicked Tera
molten oasis
Not as much shifu
lofty tartan
+1 196+ Atk Tera-Ghost Zapdos-Galar Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 196+ Def Incineroar: 254-302 (126.3 - 150.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
stone trellis
Aren't they both weak to Bolt though?
lofty tartan
Tera Ghost for FO
molten oasis
Aren't they both weak to Bolt though?
This is what hearth is for
stone trellis
Fair.
molten oasis
Redirect, and I run lando for that mu
stone trellis
So who completes the FWG?
stone trellis
You have two Fire types?
lofty tartan
You can have two fire types. They don't share the same weaknesses
molten oasis
You have two Fire types?
You can FWG core with overlap
They only share rock and that isn’t common
stone trellis
Somehow it feels weirder when it's two Fire types instead of two Grass types.
molten oasis
I hate 2 grass types lmao
lofty tartan
You can have 2 of any type, really. lol
stone trellis
I can't argue with two Grass types, that shit helped Luca Ceribelli win Worlds.
I've had overlap too.
lofty tartan
Double Dragon isn't uncommon either
molten oasis
Or steel in h for example
lofty tartan
💯
molten oasis
Double psychic for psyspam
stone trellis
So what is the item on Zapdos after all?
molten oasis
Scarf.
stone trellis
Adamant?
molten oasis
You don’t not go scarf on gapdos lol, yes
I speed creep shifu since chi hi isn’t scary to me
With Prima and incin and snarl bolt I’m fine
stone trellis
I wanna run this now.
lofty tartan
Gapdos is a fun pick.
stone trellis
Please DM me a paste.
molten oasis
It’s a very fun pick
lofty tartan
I just get to run Crown again and Regidrago is back to relevant so why not
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/86c1d51a42b44e4d @stone trellis
I posted this team as a rental here idc about sharing it publicly
lofty tartan
That's a torkoal/hatt team
molten oasis
Oh shit
lofty tartan
I click the pastes I see 👀
molten oasis
There we go. It had dengo but I need lando for a CM bolt mu
And I had some vendetta against it a couple years ago for whatever reason
lofty tartan
Needs more max speed Incin 
molten oasis
Max speed incin here?
lofty tartan
I'm just messing with you lol
molten oasis
lol
lofty tartan
I like max speed Jolly Incin in H, but I'm not so positive about F. Maybe?
molten oasis
Max speed incin popped off h and g I think
lofty tartan
The speed tiers are really ratcheted up a notch in F
molten oasis
I need the bulk here to support Prima
lofty tartan
I mean I didn't play a ton of G but if it was good in G, then it's probably good in F
molten oasis
Yeah it’s worth considering
lofty tartan
But overall I was just pulling your leg.
molten oasis
Fair enough
lofty tartan
molten oasis
I’m just happy it’s a format I like
Not that I don’t still need a break but at least it’s smth to look more forward to
solid frigate
Yeah sure TPCI
foggy lodge
Deserved
cyan smelt
plza dlc adds urshifu lol
bold geode
@next stump are you playing Rockpon?
next stump
yeah hahaha did we play
bold geode
Did you just fight a Gholdengo?
next stump
ye
bold geode
Yeah GGs lol
next stump
gg 😄
bold geode
I love Rockpon, just wasn't exactly working for me there
Your team is like damn near what I started with LMAO
dense latch
<@&663761167176433665>
timber schooner
I have made a broken team for the next competition
left bobcat
Yo how is everyone doing SCHYEAH
left bobcat
No FWÆH
dapper swan
Anyone down for some reg f scrims?
waxen dock
I have made a broken team for the next competition
What is your team?
prime ledge
yall i live in vegas and a beginner competitive player, should i join the regional? (senior division)
stone trellis
I have made a broken team for the next competition
I might not participate. Wanna show me the team?
solid frigate
yall i live in vegas and a beginner competitive player, should i join the region...
@bold geode
I’ll let you help them lol
prime ledge
<@817628066020065280>
highkey ominous
undone sage
Does anyone know if locals follow the reg that is currently used in regionals? (I don't follow comp at all)
cyan smelt
Locals should follow the current format I think
When is the local? The regulation is changing next month I think
undone sage
When is the local? The regulation is changing next month I think
First one next Wed
cyan smelt
I need to start going to locals
undone sage
There are ones in Kedron, Tanah Merah, Spring Hill, Sumner
cyan smelt
Oooh spring hill
undone sage
That one is on the 30th
cyan smelt
Might go to Kedron
undone sage
That is next Wed
cyan smelt
I've never heard of Tanah Merah before lol
undone sage
Basically where the Hyperdome is, south side
cyan smelt
Ohhhh gotcha
waxen dock
yall i live in vegas and a beginner competitive player, should i join the region...
Yes
thorn sierra
bold geode
Yo when is the gc?
Reg H
dapper swan
Yeah i dont even have time to make a team that sucks
cyan smelt
Oh I need to register for gc
real prairie
yeah i need to build mausape for my team, not sure ill get time
cyan smelt
I'm still not sure what to do into mausape
real prairie
stop the maus usually
cyan smelt
Yeah but then ape bulks up
I'm just gonna lead rilla sneasler into it and acro wood hammer into it
Are they usually sash on mausape
real prairie
i run a pop bomb variant of Maus for that reason, Protect and pop bomb haha
cyan smelt
That's the thing with bo1, impossible to tell if it's sash, goggles or wide lens
real prairie
X
waxen dock
Well crap its tmrw.. is it reg f?
Its in 2 days not timmorow
You have today(wendsday)and tomirow(thursday) to vuild team
Build
waxen dock
Yeah theres just sadly not enough time i completely forgot
So use yoyr team from last gcs
dapper swan
I traded away my archaludon and grimm to my friend who needed it after millwakee
waxen dock
I traded away my archaludon and grimm to my friend who needed it after millwakee
So ask him to give them to you or just build new ones
dapper swan
That takes time tho like i have no mochi's, pokemon money and msterials to item printer farm it is what it is tho i did really well in the first two gc's so ill be fine i think
waxen dock
That takes time tho like i have no mochi's, pokemon money and msterials to item ...
So maybe ask your friend to give them back
dapper swan
Yeah i can but theres no guarantee he can get on in time so that i can fresh stsrt mochi and retrain
Just shitty timing on my part
I been too busy grinding reg f and j
cyan smelt
Do you want me to build an arch and Grimm for you? Got plenty of resources
real prairie
Do you want me to build an arch and Grimm for you? Got plenty of resources
Would you mind doing a Mausape for me too? lol
gentle cragBOT
Legend, thank you!
We have like 36 hours if you want to do it tomorrow
averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed
real prairie
Maushold @ Wide Lens
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Beat Up
- Population Bomb
- Follow Me
- Rain Dance
Annihilape @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 180 HP / 36 Atk / 76 Def / 140 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Protect
- Rage Fist
cyan smelt
you know if i lost to that i wouldn't even be mad because that's genius
real prairie
also i can lead into whims + Typhlosion with Maus + Politoed
they try to set the sun, I reverse in to the rain
assuming they aren't scarf, but most with Whims aren't scarf
cyan smelt
i really hate weezing teams
real prairie
X
cyan smelt
man i've had some good times with SV, PLZA hasn't grabbed me in the same way
real prairie
Id love to see a game where the wild pokemon are like PLZA but the trainer battles are traditional turn based combat with high level strategy / difficulty
cyan smelt
alpha pokemon but traditional turn based combat
idk man just give me a meta without incin
you know, i think i figured out why i tilt so much, it's because i made my life all about pokemon, but the best players do other stuff with their life, having other interests will help i think
i've probably thought this before but it really makes sense now
real prairie
Yeah it does, My weekend is ruined by Pokemon and football LOL
cyan smelt
i went shopping for a costume for a comic book convention this weekend and it felt good to get away from pokemon for a while
real prairie
Good shit! enjoy the convention
cyan smelt
ty i'm trying to expand my interests
real prairie
Ive got hell on earth going on outside of Pokemon atm so im quite enjoying using it as a distraction. Hoping a good GC this weekend can pick up my mood
dapper swan
Yeah i wish i had time to make a team for the gc what a bummer
cyan smelt
i can help you
real prairie
i can help you
New side hustle unlocked 🔓
cyan smelt
i need to get more hp vitamins
it feels good to give back though
teaching spore to smeargle is so awkward
but teaching follow me is even more awkward
waxen dock
Yeah i wish i had time to make a team for the gc what a bummer
I can build your team
Just send paste
dapper swan
Sounds good ill dm you the paste asap
waxen dock
Sounds good ill dm you the paste asap
Where is paste?
real prairie
teaching spore to smeargle is so awkward
Not really, use amoonguss Vs ditto, switch to Smeargle with goggles
Make sure the only move Amoonguss knows is spore
foggy lodge
You can also use the BBQ battles
thorn sierra
How do we feel about this team? i used to have a more stally team but i've recovered
https://pokepast.es/41fc68a8b9d1005b
waxen dock
need more protects
thorn sierra
i feel you
thorn sierra
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9nationaldexdoubles-2475403773 its kinda gas actually
waxen dock
10 elo is nothing
next stump
top 25 🙂 https://pokepast.es/f3e82a3f095ecfe9
thorn sierra
10 elo is nothing
idc about elo this is my first time in the 1500s bc im a noob ;-;
bold geode
top 25 🙂 https://pokepast.es/f3e82a3f095ecfe9
Oh did you run thru people with this?
waxen dock
top 25 🙂 https://pokepast.es/f3e82a3f095ecfe9
fake 2-2-2
bold geode
Nah
Gouging Ting Dozo is based
stone trellis
Hearthflame is so good, man.
It lived an Astral Barrage from CSR at 1 HP and KOed it instantly, winning me the game.
waxen dock
https://youtu.be/yEBFxETRkho?si=Lvn6w0RJrcFueQz0
spd firepon?
stone trellis
252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Psychic vs. 188 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 94-112 (52.5 - 62.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
I lived a high roll too.
Even though it was still in my favor, I've lost games off of far more improbable shit.
chrome knot
@bold geode dnite pao is so fun in this reg
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> dnite pao is so fun in this reg
Yeah still pretty low ladder but I don't see much counterplay to that LMAO
molten oasis
Yeah still pretty low ladder but I don't see much counterplay to that LMAO
There’s not really very much Fari
rustic mountain
early ladder life and paonite name a better duo
molten oasis
ive been playin vs it a decent amount
I’ve seen like 4 out of 50 games
rustic mountain
molten oasis
What? lol
dense latch
I’ve seen like 4 out of 50 games
i wish this was me 😭
i play it every other game
dense latch
so annoying to play against with my team too unless i'm missing something
molten oasis
They all ohko my ogerpon lol
molten oasis
so annoying to play against with my team too unless i'm missing something
Yeah it sucks
I’m debating some mons on my team atm
But I’m having fun anyway
molten oasis
I love Hearthflame, goated Mon
dense latch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2475754449-ydrkljanujaaoiclnbwkvn09k2va8mcpw 3/4 KOs i love this mon
bold geode
early ladder life and paonite name a better duo
Bro it's so dumb I knew people would forget about prio spam
Makes me feel dumb for not running it
What you runnin Tree
rustic mountain
i wish this was me 😭
i play it every other game
same lol
i mean idc that i play it but it is just about every other game
rustic mountain
What you runnin Tree
japan balance
dense latch
i will say having firepon to one shot it with ivy cudgel has made my life much easier
forest arrow
Love the good ol snarl button tho
dense latch
i've played that guy like two or three times already
prepared twice for the ape armarouge bs and didnt bring it :(
still won because terrakion sucks ass
rustic mountain
me knowing he had to switch and would be faster thus giving me terrain control and keeping sucker punch pressure online
https://tenor.com/view/antonio-banderas-gif-8511641805782175953
dense latch
if ape armarouge indeedee already telegraphs exactly what you're trying to do imagine whimsicott terrakion which has existed since like 2011 😭
molten oasis
lol
rustic mountain
if ape armarouge indeedee already telegraphs exactly what you're trying to do im...
ahhaha yea some ppl cant let go
bold geode
japan balance
You basic lil
molten oasis
But you hate shifu
bold geode
Crazy
bold geode
u give me urshifu rilla incin i accept
Wanna play a set?
bold geode
Damn
I needed practice into Japan balance
Have the thing that breaks it 
dense latch
i've been feeling conflicted after a friend pointed out that using japan balance or similar cm bolt teams is basically playing reg g pagos in a different font
i hated pagos and playing against it so not sure what to do
rustic mountain
im down tho some other time
molten oasis
i've been feeling conflicted after a friend pointed out that using japan balance...
Real
rustic mountain
i mean that was like an every game thing tho, i bring bolt like every 1/3 games generally
its similar in a way but not really at the same time
forest arrow
i mean that was like an every game thing tho, i bring bolt like every 1/3 games ...
yeah? i felt the same way when playing that 6
molten oasis
Boring asf team
dense latch
yea i feel like it's different enough
it's not as protect the king as pagos games
rustic mountain
exactly
rustic mountain
like it is wen u bring it and set it up but couldnt u say that for any fake out set up mon? like is it just that its calm mind too and rilla incin are typical partners? like i get the sentiment but idt its a 1:1
dense latch
i do feel like i lean into bolt a lot
like when i first started the reg 20 out 22 games on my pasrs had bolt
then through the pasrs i just realized that i almost never brought my other 2 mons hence the usage
rustic mountain
i think one of the strengths of japan balance is that u dont need bolt every game
forest arrow
I feel like I bring lando more than I bring bolt
dense latch
like it is wen u bring it and set it up but couldnt u say that for any fake out ...
it might be a combination of the similarities both have + him knowing how much i hated pagos and just wanting to piss me off lmao
https://pokepast.es/9b6ea8cd5d469c90 im running this rn
so just japan balance but firepon
bold geode
I think CM Bolt stuff has ways to be broken thru vs the other components
Hell honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the CM Bolt stuff uses the break thru mons to beat the mirrors better
dense latch
i still don't know what i want from my ursh and lando spreads
rustic mountain
I think CM Bolt stuff has ways to be broken thru vs the other components
Hell ho...
yea i mean im not gna opt into cm wars generally haha
rustic mountain
it might be a combination of the similarities both have + him knowing how much i...
id say its the latter moreso lol
but yea ur team def leans more into the protect cm bolt mode
forest arrow
calm mind thunderclap tera fairy wars lol
bold geode
yea i mean im not gna opt into cm wars generally haha
Oh no
Me and someone else have found out there's other things that just give it immense shit
Wouldn't be surprised if others caught on too
rustic mountain
tho i guess u have sd firepon too
bold geode
Don't even have to opt into the mindgames
Also I think dropping Pao on Japan balance is kind of a throw
bold geode
Ursh Pao does so much for that team though
molten oasis
The format where ogerpon wasn’t forced to play follow me
rustic mountain
Ursh Pao does so much for that team though
oh i misunderstood idk y i thought u meant japan balance needed dnite
yea chien pao is essential imo
bold geode
Yeah
From the original variant you always tinker with the Lando slot
dense latch
i might go the euic runner up route and do flutter firepon instead of lando pao
bold geode
Did Tim use Flutter?
dense latch
yea booster icy wind taunt
bold geode
Makes sense
dense latch
i saw pao's strengths for sure but i never felt all too comfortable with it
rustic mountain
how
dense latch
it's more so me just not knowing how rather than an issue with the mon
next stump
snuck into top 10 
rustic mountain
nice
forest arrow
Nice bro
bold geode
snuck into top 10 <:sobpog:1029467411788873738>
Paonite still or the other?
rustic mountain
we running secret stuff?
next stump
https://pokepast.es/44157c97592f3b65
nope not secret, I am using an EUIC team
changed a couple sets though
rustic mountain
left bobcat
No way FWÆH
forest arrow
Oh Ting Dozo neat
dense latch
jus throw a sash onnit and ball out
thanks for making me realize my mistake pao is so much better wow
i finally hit the 1400s
upper zealot
thoughts?
stone trellis
thoughts?
Very Iron Meteor-esque with the idea of gaining a lot of power and bulk while losing Speed.
rustic mountain
thanks for making me realize my mistake pao is so much better wow
🫡
solid frigate
hollow echo
no i refuse to belive it
waxen dock
It is
hollow echo
how?
waxen dock
Since it has acsess to fake out
And it can hit any move twice
So it technicly make 100 bp moves 125 bp
And if it uses power up punch it has +2 atack
hollow echo
huh?
waxen dock
huh?
What part you didnt understand
Also it has double edge
So gl dealing with 150 bp stab move
And in gen 6 it was a 1.5 boost isntead of 1.25 in gen 7
solid frigate
What part you didnt understand
probably everything /j
and it was the face of CHALK
waxen dock
Im nervous about the gc
real prairie
Morning
real prairie
@cyan smelt we going to be good to go today?
cyan smelt
Yeah I have the mons built
cyan smelt
Can it wait a bit, just want to go out and get ice cream
solid frigate
Im nervous about the gc
you'll be fine
cyan smelt
I know to not bring smeargle into mausape because it just gets taunted and idk what to do into dnite
real prairie
Can it wait a bit, just want to go out and get ice cream
no rush
real prairie
I know to not bring smeargle into mausape because it just gets taunted and idk w...
Smeargle is faster than base Dnite no? should be able to just spore it
cyan smelt
Yeah you're right smeargle should be faster
People leave smeargle alone way too much lol
This gc I'm taking a break if I have a bad run
rare pumice
does mold breaker bypass disguise?
waxen dock
does mold breaker bypass disguise?
Yes
cyan smelt
I need 2 use farigiraf
But then it gets pwned by chien pao and one of dnite's other moves
chrome knot
throat chop button is calling
cyan smelt
And it doesn't feel great to tera out of a weakness
real prairie
But then it gets pwned by chien pao and one of dnite's other moves
Tera Ice Tsareena says "Hi"
cyan smelt
Isn't tsareena only on rain comps
real prairie
Doesn't need to be 🤷♂️
Can outspeed and OHKO Dnite with triple axel without tera
Can OHKO Rilla with Tera
chrome knot
Tera Ice Tsareena says "Hi"
ivy cudgel
real prairie
ivy cudgel<a:FukingDies:694380769615020132>
not an issue when you are talking about Paonite
chrome knot
not an issue when you are talking about Paonite
bad news
there is an ogerpon at the family function
real prairie
there is an ogerpon at the family function
Yeah sound, but there will always be something that will threaten you. just about positioning
if bringing tsareena means they don't lead with Paonite, you already in a good place 🙂
chrome knot
or if paonite makes u commit to tera ice thats fine by me
waxen dock
But then it gets pwned by chien pao and one of dnite's other moves
Teta fairy
Pao nite has hard mu against tera fairy farig
chrome knot
this
tho it wasn’t an extremely popular choice by meta share but i can see it coming back around bc it has decent mu into that + cm bolt
cyan smelt
i want to use farig blursa
next stump
I tried and it feels pretty rough to use
you’d think it’s good into bolt but if they stack calm minds and tera, you don’t do much with ursa
chrome knot
you’d think it’s good into bolt but if they stack calm minds and tera, you don’t...
its like the ON PAPER lock
cyan smelt
even lando doesn't do much into cm bolt
chrome knot
until you flashback to orlando ryan & emily had an hour long set bc emily was stubborn abt pp stalling a farig in a game 3
next stump
LOL
chrome knot
she didn’t make it lmfao the giraffe eventually won
but like idk farig is fake dont use it haha…
@next stump lmk when u got q1 local schedule 
cyan smelt
how many crabominables do you think i'll see in gc tomorrow
chrome knot
0
waxen dock
how many crabominables do you think i'll see in gc tomorrow
2/3
100% usage is wild
Its usually like 99% usage
cyan smelt
Good to see I can still lead incin gholdengo into indeedee sneasler
waxen dock
what is wild abt this
That there isnt some casual.player using the level up moveset
chrome knot
no bc what casual is gonna pick up indeedee male and not piece those together
waxen dock
no bc what casual is gonna pick up indeedee male and not piece those together
Its
casuals
They probably dont know what this ability does
left bobcat
What ability? SCHYEAH
real prairie
or if paonite makes u commit to tera ice thats fine by me
this is also valid
@chrome knot Caught up on Hazbin Hotel yet?
chrome knot
i have never seen that show in my life
bold geode
there is an ogerpon at the family function
The cute lesbian couple vs the intimidating ogre
real prairie
i have never seen that show in my life
Oh my bad, thought we spoke about it during S1
sorry
real prairie
The cute lesbian couple vs the intimidating ogre
are you talking about Paonite or Hazbin Hotel? lol
bold geode
are you talking about Paonite or Hazbin Hotel? lol
Paonite
chrome knot
The cute lesbian couple vs the intimidating ogre
nooo polycule :D
mighty stump
DLC LOOKS INSANE
polar canyon
Dlc looks fine but I like the megas in the trailer a lot
A9 mega bax teams could go crazy
I feel like it's gonna get slower
real prairie
Basically...
real prairie
it wont be in vgc
my concern is a potential mega lol
waxen dock
my concern is a potential mega lol
i dont think it will get a mega
molten oasis
There’s no way they give annihilape a mega
waxen dock
there are leaks that now all of the new dlc megas were also from the leak
so that makes me think the leaks are real'
molten oasis
Top 10 stupidest ideas of all time
waxen dock
and if they are ape wont be getting a mega
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
real prairie
Top 10 stupidest ideas of all time
this is Pokemon
theyll give it +50 spAtk for no reason and then slightly buff everything else
but nerf rage fist
molten oasis
sigh
We don’t need ape buffs lol
Bax getting a mega is cool since Bax kinda struggled
Chimecho is interesting
real prairie
Bax getting a mega is cool since Bax kinda struggled
Also think it just adds to the set of Psuedo's with other forms
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
real prairie
Chimecho is interesting
even at 555, it would need a pretty good ability to be relevant i think
can see it being another Psychic/Steel type
polar canyon
can see it being another Psychic/Steel type
I think it's confirmed
Serebii says it's steel and psychic
Apparently bax and chimecho having megas matches up with certain leaks and the leaks for base game megas were right
real prairie
I still don't like Bax design even as a mega
molten oasis
I’m a fan of it
polar canyon
Looks like a guy you could hold by the bottom spike as a handle and wield like a sword
real prairie
the "Ima use my back to attack you thing" always ends up animated awfully
polar canyon
It's probably on purpose
polar canyon
the "Ima use my back to attack you thing" always ends up animated awfully
Mawile does it pretty well
real prairie
Mawile does it pretty well
yeah
polar canyon
Really cool animation in za where it does a spin attack
Also that thing has the look of something with at least like 160 base attack
Is leak talk allowed in this channel
gentle cragBOT
woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)
real prairie
However maybe use the built in Spoiler stuff
||So people don't have it ruined for them||
Bax behind the paywall again
stone trellis
I love how every single MU not named CSR-Zamazenta (when they lead Chien-Pao) or Zamazenta-Kyogre is just an 80% win rate for me.
real prairie
Well, guess they are back!
stone trellis
Now I actually have a reason to buy Z-A.
bold geode
I still don't like Bax design even as a mega
I think it's neat
real prairie
the info trailer is interesting, Calories have come to pokemon 🤣
molten oasis
Well, guess they are back!
chrome knot
Well, guess they are back!
ITS TIME WE SPOUT
stone trellis
I wonder if Zacian is taking Primal Kyogre Water Spout...
stone trellis
252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Zacian-Crowned in Heavy Rain: 177-208 (91.7 - 107.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Play Rough lowers Attack.
Zacian's cooked if it isn't hella bulky.
And if the Primals are allowed to Tera, Zacian's just fried.
vale sage
Alpha kyogre origin pulse that just hits the entire stage
stone trellis
?
vale sage
Just a joke
molten oasis
252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Zacian-Crowned i...
No, spout
vale sage
Ahh wrong channel sorry
molten oasis
Spout weakens when damaged
stone trellis
No, spout
252+ SpA Kyogre-Primal Hydro Pump vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Zacian-Crowned in Heavy Rain: 175-207 (90.6 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
That's plan B.
molten oasis
I see
stone trellis
And again, mega bulky Zacian.
A Pokemon who's so focused on offense and has such a great defensive typing already should NOT be wasting this much on bulk.
molten oasis
And again, mega bulky Zacian.
It’s also rain boosted 252+ spa kyogre.
stone trellis
See, the difference here is that one's an outlier.
I really doubt most people will actually be using that much bulk on Zacian, unless if it's to live Pdon P-Blades after Intimidate.
molten oasis
No
I run enough bulk but not that much bulk
Not really sure if Zac will get usage anyway
molten oasis
It depends on if Xerneas is threatening.
Bikes too
stone trellis
Zacian is not beating Korai if Korai can Tera.
Unless it's Tera Ground Tera Blast Zacian.
molten oasis
Zacian is not beating Korai if Korai can Tera.
Tera and megas is likely not happening at first
We will likely just cycle through gimmicks
stone trellis
Megas are most likely going first.
molten oasis
Megas are most likely going first.
Meaning Zac has a niche of beating bikes xerneas Yveltal and maybe Zygarde
stone trellis
Meaning Zac has a niche of beating bikes xerneas Yveltal and maybe Zygarde
I'd hardly call it a niche.
But I guess Miraidon won't be on that much of a generational performance without Tera.
foggy lodge
Meaning Zac has a niche of beating bikes xerneas Yveltal and maybe Zygarde
omg zac pao beats all of them lol
foggy lodge
But I guess Miraidon won't be on that much of a generational performance without...
It does loses a lot
It loses the damage boosts from tera electric and tera fairy and the defensive capability of those same teras
It will still be pretty broken
molten oasis
Koraidon gets hit so much worse tho
molten oasis
Fighting dragon is an awful typing
foggy lodge
But there's no way we have a restricteds formats without tera because
stone trellis
omg zac pao beats all of them lol
This is exactly why I was saying that all the Mega Zygarde glaze is unjustified.
molten oasis
No there will be there’s no way they always force us to deal with Tera because of pagos
That’s bs
foggy lodge
Terapagos also has to play the game
molten oasis
Then pagos will 1, be shit or 2, not be playable
foggy lodge
This is exactly why I was saying that all the Mega Zygarde glaze is unjustified.
I think its a bit overrated
stone trellis
This is exactly why I was saying that all the Mega Zygarde glaze is unjustified.
Some person on YouTube was trying to argue that we will be allowed to stack gimmicks because otherwise, Mega Zygarde just hard loses a 1V1 with Icy if both are at full HP.
foggy lodge
You also need to fill a lot of requirements to get the mega
foggy lodge
And like in the end it depends on your rival unless idk you run ruination to hit your own Zygarde
molten oasis
Wild
foggy lodge
Wait can you do that
foggy lodge
omg ruination smeargle with zygarde
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
foggy lodge
Wait its only 81 spa???
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
foggy lodge
That's the 50% form right
molten oasis
Wait its only 81 spa???
Yes zygarde hits like a wet noodle
foggy lodge
Omg its trash
stone trellis
No, that's 100%.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.29.0
foggy lodge
Because you have to run special moves to use the mega LMAO
molten oasis
zygarde hits like a fucking wet noodle
stone trellis
Good luck doing shit to Icy turn 1 😭
solid frigate
I mean you can use Protect and let Urshifu hit it
molten oasis
I mean you can use Protect and let Urshifu hit it
It might lowkey take the hit well enough
stone trellis
Feint kills that idea, Shifu does nowhere near 50%.
solid frigate
Did I say Water Shifu
molten oasis
Yes
foggy lodge
It doesn't matter
solid frigate
Darkshifu does half
foggy lodge
Both hit neutral
molten oasis
But both shifus would do the same damage
stone trellis
You're giving the opponent a free turn to set up though.