competitive_discussion

[summer shore]

Clearly you've not seen the special water move samu-h

[bold geode]

Honestly real, that move in general is stupid

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[lofty tartan]

It removed most agency in how their comp is setup right now. Honestly, Heavy-Duty Boots isn't even in-game yet, so there's a lot of balance issues

They've done some serious bannings.

[bold geode]

Oof no Boots? That actually is scary

[lofty tartan]

Yeah, no Boots in singles comp is honestly problematic.

[bold geode]

Man Chris Han is getting a bit unlucky here

[summer shore]

Its ok if removal wasnt gutted this gen

[lofty tartan]

We feel that a 50% chance of inflicting a random status effect is uncompetitive on Sneasler: a fast, threatening attacker with a limited pool of checks.```

This is what they said about it, @bold geode

[bold geode]

That honestly

[lofty tartan]

They broke down all of the reasonable checks for him, and explained why most of them don't even work if Dire Claw is a factor.

There's practically no safe switches into it

Steel mons protect you from DC, but they just get pushed aside by CC

[bold geode]

Is Cloak good in singles?

[lofty tartan]

Honestly, I don't even think Cloak is in their game yet, since it's a newer item.

And I don't play regular singles

[bold geode]

Yikes, really nothing then huh

[summer shore]

Its in and out

[lofty tartan]

But with FO not being as meaningful in Singles, I bet it has shaky use.

[summer shore]

It was a bit more popular back then when garg was a lot more common

[lofty tartan]

Makes sense.

[bold geode]

Did it shut off Salt Cure chip?

[lofty tartan]

It should.

Right?

[summer shore]

Yyeah it lets ghold check garg

[lofty tartan]

nodnod

[bold geode]

[summer shore]

This was back when there was not much offensive pressure on garg tho

[lofty tartan]

Right.

Garg has a lot of meaningful checks now, probs.

[summer shore]

Sometimes you'll build a team that loses the moment garg clicks liek curse once

[bold geode]

DAMN

[summer shore]

Wogre does a lot of heavy lifting

[bold geode]

See this is why AV makes me sad

[lofty tartan]

I could see salt boy being good in singles

[bold geode]

Water Ogerpon?

[summer shore]

Ye

[lofty tartan]

Makes sense.

[bold geode]

You're telling me Ogerpon skated by bans?

[summer shore]

Fire is banned

[lofty tartan]

Ogerpon is a really good mon that hasn't really seemed broken to me

[bold geode]

Ok I was finna say if Fire ain't banned that's crazy

[lofty tartan]

Probably due to a combined factor of Mold Breaker and insane damage with Tera

[summer shore]

Theres been discussions on water

But its alive

[bold geode]

Wild

Does Corner exist?

[summer shore]

Corner?

[lofty tartan]

Cornerstone

[bold geode]

Rock

[summer shore]

Oh it often comes down to

Would i use it over water

And like most of the time its a no

[lofty tartan]

Also makes sense.

[bold geode]

Damn

[summer shore]

Sometimes tho

Sometimes

[bold geode]

I like Rock a lot personally

[lofty tartan]

I've always been a Cornerstone enjoyer.

Sturdy is not irrelevant

[bold geode]

IT HAS FULLY ACCURATE STONE EDGE BRO LIKE

[lofty tartan]

100 BP fully accurate rock move is huge

[summer shore]

120

[lofty tartan]

Sorry, 120

[foggy lodge]

Its 100

[bold geode]

Doesn't the mask boost only activate on tera?

[foggy lodge]

Wait no because of the mask yeah

Mb

[lofty tartan]

Yeah mask bonus

[summer shore]

Always on

[lofty tartan]

Shiro is correct.

[bold geode]

Like you need to tera or no ter

[lofty tartan]

The masks give a base bonus without Tera

[bold geode]

Oh shit

[summer shore]

Held item effect

[bold geode]

I thought it only went with tera

That's gas

[summer shore]

Thats why the mon is strong

It just has a free life orb

[lofty tartan]

If an Ogerpon is holding a Mask, it changes to its Mask form. It increases the power of its moves by 20%```

That's all moves.

[bold geode]

But yeah hits strong
And Sturdy on a redirector is fucking crazy

[summer shore]

Wogre u turns hurt like different

[lofty tartan]

Yeah and Ogerpon has a deep move pool

[foggy lodge]

Omg i forgot that thing has u turn

[summer shore]

See you guys can get value from sturdy

[foggy lodge]

It also gets spikes no

[summer shore]

We see sturdy on a mon that cant take boots

[bold geode]

Yeah you don't usually see U Turn

[summer shore]

Yeah but often not worth fitting on

[lofty tartan]

VGC doesn't do Ogerpon enough justice. It uses the typical moves and doesn't really explore the massive amounts of options it has.

[summer shore]

I think it gets spikes at least

Havent seen it with spikes in ages tho

[bold geode]

Also I forgot speaking of Sturdy
Didn't Archaludon get smacked with the hammer

[summer shore]

Its been gone for a while

[bold geode]

LOL

[summer shore]

Meteor beam with no drawbacks will do that

[lofty tartan]

💯

[bold geode]

Yeah not surprising at all

Like yeah Meteor Beam and all you have to do is use Rain to spam it

[lofty tartan]

With how power creep has ramped up in the last few gens, I feel Gen 10 is gonna be some whacky and wild stuff.

[bold geode]

That's what I'm saying

[summer shore]

Stamina is overlooked too

That mon on a vest is stupid

[lofty tartan]

We use Stamina a ton in VGC

[bold geode]

I see some people very early making Champions teams and I'm like bro you don't think they might creep the old megas

[bold geode]

Very popular set on our side

[lofty tartan]

Champions is gonna happen before Gen 10 so it's viable.

[summer shore]

People can skim over how broken stamina is

Mon doesnt die

[bold geode]

One funny thing that we actually do in doubles is we actually use partner Pokemon to self proc it LOL

[lofty tartan]

Stamina is the most used ability on Archa in VGC. But we do use Sturdy sometimes if you're going without rain.

Sometimes Sturdy on Rain

Max SpA, max Spe, just blast stuff

[bold geode]

Like Game 2 of the 2025 Baltimore regionals the crowd was counting the number of Pop Bomb hits going into Archaludon

[lofty tartan]

Yeah that's a nightmare.

Just absolutely a horrible scenario.

Max Defense, just cruising.

[bold geode]

Yeah
+6 Def Archaludon is frightening

[lofty tartan]

Incredibly.

Body Press from the other side.

[bold geode]

Give it like Bug Tera in some cases too or Grass? Oh God

[lofty tartan]

KOs your whole family.

[summer shore]

Change the 6 into a 1

[summer shore]

Ih right even more foul

[lofty tartan]

+1 into +2 Archa getting pelted is honestly doable

+6 is outrageous

[summer shore]

Sorry had to kill a bug in the room

[lofty tartan]

I'm angry at Duraludon right now anyay. I did 60 max battles for his debut in Pokemon Go and still never found a shiny. 😐

[bold geode]

Damn

[summer shore]

Zama is a restricted for you guys right

[bold geode]

Yeah

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[bold geode]

And he was
Not too broken but he was pretty good this time around

[lofty tartan]

Release my boy. Remove Restricted status from Zama, 2026

[summer shore]

Surprising actually

[lofty tartan]

Caly-S, Zama was a boogeyman of Reg I

[bold geode]

Body Press access put in the fucking work

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it was a straight buff to him.

[foggy lodge]

Singles uses the base form right

Zama got 0 world championships

💔

[bold geode]

Like even with the ability nerf, not being affected by Intimidate and having WG access in a meta with both Calyrex was valuable

[lofty tartan]

Yeah being dramatically hated on will do that to a man

[bold geode]

Zacian though
Yikes

[foggy lodge]

And both times it fell on top 4

[lofty tartan]

Yup.

[bold geode]

https://x.com/2230yt/status/1976552469791449267?t=X8ve4OcbLPz4yoFKfl_FWQ&s=19

Bombug Lover (COMMS OPEN) (@2230yt)

How Zacian looks now that it’s reign of terror in TCG and VGC is long over

X · Oct 10, 2025, 7:36 AM

[lofty tartan]

Just too many tools being utilized against it.

[bold geode]

@summer shore that's Zacian now

[lofty tartan]

Basically.

[summer shore]

Crown was a little bit too strong

[foggy lodge]

I remember one team that used tickle whimsicott for zama lmao

[summer shore]

No way

[lofty tartan]

Yeah

The nerf to Intrepid Sword did a number.

But honestly it needed the nerf.

[summer shore]

Anyhow powercreep IS coming so not too surprised esp with the nerfs

[viscid garnet]

I know alolan raichu sucks in comparison to kanto raichu but does anyone have an idea of what pokemon I should build around these two?

[summer shore]

Liek they're giving my favourite volcano a mega

That mon does not need a mega

[bold geode]

Yeah
The ability nerf really fucked it over
Not to mention the facts that things you SHOULD be able to beat like Ice Rider and Koraidon can just Tera to Fire and straight bend you over

[bold geode]

WHY DO THEY DO THAT

[lofty tartan]

It just sucks, not in comparison. It's got no offensive pressure and its gimmick is just subpar

Like it's got Fake Out but there are better things with Fake Out

[summer shore]

Its ok it cant hold lefties now so unless it gets earth eater or something it shouldnt be tooo demonic

[lofty tartan]

What's your favorite volcano?

[bold geode]

Yeah don't give it Earth Eater or Levitate, don't do it Game Freak
Don't let the demons win

[bold geode]

For spoilers

[summer shore]

Fire Steel

[bold geode]

|| Heatran ||

[viscid garnet]

I just wanted to try to use the pika line, specifically either Pika or Alola raichu, just since i’ve used kanto raichu with a lot of success

[lofty tartan]

Ohhhhh I heard about that. I'm hype as hell.

[summer shore]

Earth eater would be decently fitting tho funnily enough

[foggy lodge]

Idk if we can talk about those leaks

[lofty tartan]

My boy has been done dirty by power creep. He needs a helping hand to get back up.

[solid frigate]

No pun intended

[foggy lodge]

But holy shit that mon was a menace and it could even keep up to this gen in VGC idk what it can do with a 100 stats buff

[lofty tartan]

PUN INTENDED

[bold geode]

Better to talk about it in the leaks chat in the server but like
As I done said, this channel isn't gonna be 100% safe from leaks

Especially from stuff like

Well that LOL

[solid frigate]

I just don’t care too much until they brought into Champions

Without their abilities I can’t say how would they do

[bold geode]

I'm personally waiting for confirmation on abilities

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss dissapeared from this meta holy shit

It really only exists on rain

[bold geode]

As a user of Amoonguss, it's not bad buuuuutttttt

It does feel a bit worse

[foggy lodge]

Because of dengo incin rilla

Like the top 3 mons of day 1 are inmune to spore

[bold geode]

Yeah like Cloak Amoonguss doesn't even work there cuz you still lose against Gholdengo

[foggy lodge]

Well only 2 but Incin runs goggles like 50% of the time

[summer shore]

Spore being out of my format is so nice

[foggy lodge]

And now it doesn't even run it because of Amoonguss it runs it because of Jumpluff

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[bold geode]

Is the audio cutting out for anyone

[upper zealot]

yeah

[bold geode]

Still a Rillaboom fan personally

[foggy lodge]

Shiliang is such a big fan of Grimmsnarl

[bold geode]

@summer shore what other funny Pokemon are good in OU

I'm a big fan of the dolphin

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-symphony-meme-dolphin-finizen-palafin-gif-16822796191411879837

ROSE IS NEMONA

Based

Sunflora?

[mental mason]

Metagross, my beloved.

[foggy lodge]

Metagross Meowscarada on stream

All the mons do 0 damage here what

[solid frigate]

I mean if it can potentially one shot a flutter mane then ig-

But it’s still bad

[bold geode]

Y'know
I did say before
That your best teams come when you're bored

How fucking bored is Zhang

[foggy lodge]

He must hate this reg as much as I do

[knotty mirage]

I have question does psyshock ignore assault vest or is it affected by it ?

[foggy lodge]

That's actually a very interesting question

I think it does ignore it because it also ignores sp. Def buff

[tiny karma]

Move: Psyshock

Deals damage to the target based on its Defense instead of Special Defense.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[solid frigate]

It should ignore

[knotty mirage]

Ah alright i will use it on caly S then

[foggy lodge]

Yes it ignores it

Its an interesting move if you run Chien-Pao with CSR too

But its also good for the cm mons MU

[craggy dagger]

psyshock is unaffected by assault vest
it takes your physical defense into account so any speed buffs that you get via moves or items are irrelevant

[knotty mirage]

Okay good too know i'm starting to get annoyed with double screen calm mind mirai or assault vest mirai

[solid frigate]

Let Michael Zhang cook atp

[craggy dagger]

ummmmm

but i do think that it gets affected by light screen and aurora veil

since those reduce damage from special moves
and psyshock is still considered a special move

[knotty mirage]

I mean that one is expected at least it will still do damage unlike astral barrage who will do fuck all because it got affected by both spdef buff and screen

[craggy dagger]

not if you crit

[knotty mirage]

[foggy lodge]

wdym eviolite murkrow doesn't even take a moonblast from primarina

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 198: Murkrow

Types

Dark/Flying

Abilities

Insomnia, Super Luck, Prankster (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/85/42/85/42/91

Total

405

Sableye version 4.28.4

[solid frigate]

Yeah even with Eviolite idk

[upper zealot]

42 is horrible

[foggy lodge]

We are in round 3 of VGC and apparently TCG doesn't even start the stream yet

[foggy lodge]

Joseph with his Torkoal Jumpluff Typhlosion team again

TERA ELECTRIC JUMPLUFF

[solid frigate]

not the tera electric again

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

dengo is not living it

why did they think it would live it

[rustic mountain]

hope for the best ig

not like protecting or swapping in that board state wouldve been more beneficial

especially since specs dengo

love seeing dozo get crit

[bold geode]

I think Joe probably wins this set

[solid frigate]

the inputs dear lord

[rustic mountain]

yo joe clicks so fast lmao

[bold geode]

At least the stones weakened Eruption a bit

[solid frigate]

he's locked in

[waxen dock]

Can senior players get travel award?

[solid frigate]

he clicked overheat

[rustic mountain]

would be something on the website if anything

[waxen dock]

Or travel award is only for masters

[bold geode]

Yikes
The 1 turn sleep

[solid frigate]

thats still fine

on Joe's side

[bold geode]

Yeah Encore goes crazy

But there is a swap yeah

[solid frigate]

Dozogiri time

raid boss time

sleep powder is very free here

[rustic mountain]

its gta hit tho

[bold geode]

Rough

Is Dozo Grass tera?

Eh that's still rough

[solid frigate]

he's getting pinned yeah

[bold geode]

Kind of pinned yeah
Need a miss

And even then, you still get chunked by Overheat

[rustic mountain]

wow that was some damage lmao

[solid frigate]

Thats almost half yeah

[bold geode]

Yeah that

[foggy lodge]

Half HP what

[bold geode]

Like it's still very rough

[solid frigate]

and thats +2 SpD with a resist

[rustic mountain]

wen unaware works against u

[solid frigate]

wait its unaware?

[bold geode]

Yeah the Dozo

[solid frigate]

Yeah its cooked

[bold geode]

See like
Idt as many people were prepping for Sun and like
It's Joe you're going up against

[rustic mountain]

i think ppl are more lookin out for marco sun

only joe really runs this version of it

[bold geode]

For sure but I feel like even that team fell off a bit

[solid frigate]

yikes

[rustic mountain]

oh this is joever

[bold geode]

Jesus

[solid frigate]

truly joever

[bold geode]

Garchomp strong

I been saying this

[solid frigate]

it is strong i just can't prove it

yeah its cooked

the crit hurts

[rustic mountain]

crit didnt matter

[solid frigate]

hurts mentally

[rustic mountain]

joe bming lmao

[solid frigate]

he knows lol

4-0 game 2 damn

[rustic mountain]

yea that was clean, got some lucky sleep turns and stuff but he was in control the whole game

[solid frigate]

exactly

[bold geode]

Bet Joe feels good about that one

Those wins always feel good

[solid frigate]

I’d say it’s also a strong MU for Joe

Kinda because of Jumpluff

[bold geode]

Those games feel good where like
Either you win with all your mons still alive or it's a situation where your opponent couldn't get rid of your mons and you lost one due to like recoil or something

[stone trellis]

What's your favorite play from a VGC match?

No Pachirisu Draco or Worlds 2016 Rayquaza SD.

[solid frigate]

Probably Gio vs James in 2025 worlds

Especially game 2

[stone trellis]

One play.

Not a whole game/match.

[solid frigate]

That play in Game 2 lol

[stone trellis]

I haven't watched the finals since the morning of August 18th.

[solid frigate]

Like the whole sequence

[stone trellis]

One second.

One of my favorites has to be the turn 1 of Gavin Michaels VS Zhe Zhang.

Game 1.

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge you see this shit rn

Brother has Tera Fighting Low Kick Dnite LMAO

[foggy lodge]

The fake out follow me from Shiliang vs Torviv in worlds 2024

[bold geode]

The Plot is interesting?

This is rough now

LMAO WOLFE ALMOST FORFEITED

[mental mason]

Lol.

[rustic mountain]

that was well played

[real prairie]

Wolfe with no perish is sadj

[bold geode]

Sand on stream

[real prairie]

I'm genuinely sick of these balance archetypes, I actively want all of them to lose on stream 🤣

[rustic mountain]

psysand

genius

[real prairie]

That's fine lol

[rustic mountain]

?

repeating evan labeling the 1 team as psysand

[real prairie]

Ah thought you were responding to me, sorry

[rustic mountain]

ur good

[foggy lodge]

What was Leonard doing

That bulk up was too greedy

No dnite in the back its over

Expanding force spam wins

[real prairie]

They messed up the graphics lol

Just the 2 excadrills lol

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

It's vacuum now

Click vacuum please

Does expanding + HHP kill ape

Its at +1

[rustic mountain]

ape raid boss mode too strong

[real prairie]

Ape is unkillable wtf

[bold geode]

Kinda choked there ngl
I think that second to last turn you always double the Ape

[real prairie]

I'd have focused the ape early in both games

Taking Turns tera blasting the Rilla game 1

[bold geode]

I feel like in Game 2 Noah did fine until that second to last turn

[rustic mountain]

even cc double target eforce doesnt get there after sitrus recovery

he jus left ape untouched for too long over the course of the game

[bold geode]

Yeah true but like maybe you crit into the Ape or something idk
Feel like it was a bit better

[rustic mountain]

maybe

i feel like taking ur chances w/ single target e force in terrain is worth but yea turned out it wasnt

[bold geode]

I mean he could've focused down Ape earlier too but like
At that point when you're in that board state you kind of got to go for it lol

Like Indeedee Male is weaker than you think bro, get some chip on it

[rustic mountain]

yea he had a few chances of chunking it in earlier turns and he opted outta it, i feel like as soon as maus goes down u gta focus the ape otherwise it can just steamroll u

he was choosing to clear out everything else first but it turned out not effective enough in the long haul

[molten oasis]

Ape being broken again? Fun

[rustic mountain]

https://i.imgflip.com/a8tkbf.jpg

(also dont think ape is that bad but wanted to do this image)

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Nah it’s not that bad but can definitely feel that way

[rustic mountain]

its super strong

[molten oasis]

Letting it get set up is terrifying

[rustic mountain]

i just feel broken is reserved for the urshifus and horses and stuff

[molten oasis]

Rage fist.

But fair

Well ig it’s like sneasler

Broken move strong Mon

[bold geode]

Yeah
Though I guess his logic was tryna keep the Rage Fist stacks down? Which like eehhh?

[stone trellis]

No need to keep the stacks down if the Pokemon's dead.

[bold geode]

Real

Or especially when your Pokemon aren't necessarily tanky

[rustic mountain]

its trade offs, rage fist can be good, depends if u choose to feed it and or allow ur opponent to. i think stuff like that gets exacerbated in a tera format whereas outside of it, ape cant necessarily function the same way

[rustic mountain]

i kinda get it but also u dont wanna just let it potentially bulk up or just hit ur guys for decent chunks of dmg otherwise

[molten oasis]

Yeah, I still think rage fist is a dumb move

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Yeah like all your mons are kinda frail at least out of what you're bringing too so like
+1 Drain Punch still puts in work

[upper zealot]

did the mishlord win?

[stone trellis]

Who?

[dense latch]

yea dawob won

[solid frigate]

at least make the move stack reset would be a lot more managable

they have to nerf it next gen

[stone trellis]

They won't.

[upper zealot]

nice

[stone trellis]

My uncle works with James Freak, he told me Rage Fist's boosts will now be 2^x instead of x+50.

[foggy lodge]

It was dire claw expanding force and pray the ape doesn't protect

cuz w dire claw damage it doesn't eats the sitrus and expanding maybe picks up the ko there

[rustic mountain]

still double target e force

dont think it gets there, ud just hope for sleep or para into full para off dire claw at that point

[bold geode]

Eh maybe it does

[rustic mountain]

off wat it was taking from single target e force, id be beyond shocked if it took like 55-60% from double target which is around watd need to be at to not proc sitrus

i think u guys think there was an out where there really wasnt outside insane rng pulls which they already got t1 off that iron head flinch

[foggy lodge]

252+ SpA Indeedee Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 180 HP / 0 SpD Tera Fire Annihilape in Psychic Terrain: 103-123 (49.5 - 59.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Dire claw did like 30%

And I would say the ape was on like 90%

It was a roll

Why am I seeing an Oricorio and Golduck on stream

[bold geode]

There is no God

Brother

Deleting that, that is insanely disrespectful

[solid frigate]

what the fuck.

at least pls tell me its the ghost form

[foggy lodge]

Yes its the ghost one

This is the way I discovered its called Sensu

[real prairie]

Simple beam golduck goated

[foggy lodge]

That name goes kinda hard

[solid frigate]

ok that one is at least workable on a team-

other idk

[stone trellis]

How?

[bold geode]

The fuck you mean how?

You're literally making a mean comment on a girls weight

[solid frigate]

ok yeah its all comming together

simple beam on Oricorio and set up

[real prairie]

Whoa what did I miss wtf

[bold geode]

Dw bout it

[real prairie]

Good, thanks for sorting it.

[gentle crag]

averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to dollarmonke

[bold geode]

Anyways @foggy lodge I lost to that Dancer duo in the GC

[fringe dagger]

oricorio is diabolical lmao

[foggy lodge]

when are we getting the eject people of the chat option

[bold geode]

I don't get that option

[solid frigate]

in this team i can see that option being workable

Simple beam+Set up

[bold geode]

Or I'd Eject myself
End this suffering

[fringe dagger]

yeah

[stone trellis]

I was asking how Ghost Oricorio works on a team.

[bold geode]

Ok
In that case
It's basically
So have you never seen the Dancer gimmick?

[fringe dagger]

honestly i thought dozo giri would make a comeback

[stone trellis]

I have.

[real prairie]

Ghost avoids fake outs basically

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[bold geode]

That
Basically the Ghost form works cuz it can't be Faked Out

[solid frigate]

you technically get a Geomancy Boost from Simple Volcarona and you pivot into Oricorio and then instant +2

[real prairie]

Minimum 1 dance

[solid frigate]

like double Geomancy

[stone trellis]

Sounds fun.

So Grimm is there for the pivoting into Oricorio, right?

[real prairie]

It can also do damage and set up on the same turn if it copies an attacking dance

[bold geode]

Nah you just get +1 I believe
Unless you simple Beam something
But then I think only one gets the +2

[real prairie]

Give the dancers some bulk

[stone trellis]

That much is obvious.

[solid frigate]

Tho Primarina is the key factor of the strat go south

if primarina is taken down not too much stops it

[fringe dagger]

t wave into dragonite?

[solid frigate]

speed control

and technically safety check

[fringe dagger]

volc is kinda just there rn

[dense latch]

it's giving oricorio extra boosts fwiw

[solid frigate]

the shiny looks so fucking good

[fringe dagger]

i wanna shiny hunt it now

[foggy lodge]

How many boosts does

Everything have I'm lost lol

[fringe dagger]

+2 special 0 speed for oricorio

[solid frigate]

+2 besides speed

[foggy lodge]

How many boosts do the volc and dnite have

[tiny karma]

Move: Revelation Dance

This move's type depends on the user's primary type. If the user's primary type is typeless, this move's type is the user's secondary type if it has one, otherwise the added type from Forest's Curse or Trick-or-Treat. This move is typeless if the user's type is typeless alone.

Type

Normal

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Dance

Triggers Dancer.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[dense latch]

revelation dance is a sick move

[solid frigate]

yeah its one of the more interesting moves

[fringe dagger]

if primarina goes first that might be game

idk if it will tho

[solid frigate]

volcarona moves first

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 741: Oricorio-Sensu

Types

Ghost/Flying

Abilities

Dancer

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/70/70/98/70/93

Total

476

Base Species

Oricorio

Sableye version 4.28.4

[foggy lodge]

how did it not kill it's at +3 or +4😭

If rilla lives this Sierra wins

Glide acrobatics

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 741: Oricorio-Sensu

Types

Ghost/Flying

Abilities

Dancer

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/70/70/98/70/93

Total

476

Base Species

Oricorio

Sableye version 4.28.4

[foggy lodge]

Oh and reflect ends

brother drum beating was so clutch LMAO

[dense latch]

i dont know how i didnt realize this was already there

[solid frigate]

wait the incin

[foggy lodge]

nah gh

[dense latch]

i need the dancer team in day 2 so bad

[foggy lodge]

Maybe sierra needs a crit

[foggy lodge]

Its already in day 2

She is 6-1

[solid frigate]

quiver dance again and make sure you are faster than sneasler and pray sneasler protects

[bold geode]

Tuned out for a sec
How is Dancer doing

[dense latch]

o yea

im so used to round 8 being win and ins

i hope we see it on day 2 stream then

[bold geode]

Should be that but

[solid frigate]

you can't ko incin here yeah

or that

Prim could technically haze rn but like idk man

Volcarona walls it now

[foggy lodge]

3 minutes left and its just game 1😭

[bold geode]

LOL

[foggy lodge]

i have a party now bye gang

[bold geode]

Imagine having a life

[foggy lodge]

What does the Golduck do on this team

[solid frigate]

sierra has to deal with Volcarona like in early game to stop the boost

[stone trellis]

The Alyse lady made some soggy cake plays, but that Thunder Wave from Grimmsnarl was a massive clutch. Either way, good for her.

[real prairie]

That's the issue with a slow haze mon

[solid frigate]

simple beam

[foggy lodge]

Out of all the bandaids the team could have why is the bandaid Golduck

[stone trellis]

Tera Grass Volc walls Primarina, right?

[solid frigate]

even without boost its still hard to remove without sneasler

[real prairie]

Yeah and threatens it big time

[dense latch]

simple beam + cloud nine is cool

[stone trellis]

I have to commend Alyse for choosing to use Volcarona.

[foggy lodge]

Simple beam doubles the boosts right

[stone trellis]

It's such a GOATed Pokemon and I will not tolerate slander against it.

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[real prairie]

Do they use copies of your team on stream? Always wondered as there are no nicknames

[solid frigate]

sensu style Oricorio shiny looks so fucking cool

[foggy lodge]

Nah you use your team

[stone trellis]

It makes your ability Simple, which means all boosts/drops the Pokemon receives after the ability change become doubled.

[foggy lodge]

I saw Nicki Nicole and Lamine Yamal nicknames on stream

[solid frigate]

fake out nothing burger

[stone trellis]

Also, my team's nicknames didn't show up in the GC either.

[real prairie]

Shocked I rarely see nicknames

[foggy lodge]

How do the pinch berries work with mints

[dense latch]

i doubt any nicknames will ever top those

[real prairie]

They never do on online games

[dense latch]

og nature iirc

[foggy lodge]

That kinda sucks

[stone trellis]

Aguav confuses you if your original nature lowers Special Defense.

[dense latch]

the nature technically stays the same

[real prairie]

They can't enforce the nickname rules without judges

[foggy lodge]

5 pinch berries team

[stone trellis]

FIWAM YES SIRRRR

Wouldn't Exeggutor make for a really funny FIWAM abuser?

If Wolfey could get it to Worlds finals with the normal berries, surely it works with FIWAM too.

[foggy lodge]

PARA AGAIN

[dense latch]

sitrus is generally more consistent recovery

[stone trellis]

Grimmsnarl and bulky Volcarona are so annoying to deal with.

[stone trellis]

I get that, but the FIWAM berries are objectively funnier.

[foggy lodge]

Grimmsnarl Volcarona Miraidon my besties❤️

[dense latch]

lmao fair point

[stone trellis]

God, I love that Groudon-Icy team ❤️

[dense latch]

i miss cir mirai volc :(

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-dance-toothless-gif-5811329944095029800

[stone trellis]

If only Raging FRAUD wasn't there to do nothing.

Elite ball knowledge: 252 HP / 116 Def Bold Volcarona will always need to be hit by non-Tera Adamant Surging Strikes thrice to be KOed, which maximises the amount of damage Shifu would take from Rocky Helmet and gives you three potential chances to proc Flame Body.

I'm pretty sure I've won at least two games off of that.

[foggy lodge]

I used sitrus to live surging

[stone trellis]

I don't use Sitrus because of a certain ghostly horse.

[dense latch]

i was an eseed volc enjoyer

[stone trellis]

This is completely unrelated, but I need to figure out how to improve my team's matchup into opposing Ice Riders.

[solid frigate]

now just quiver dance?

Does that Electabuzz have taunt

[dense latch]

carried csr zama so long as i didn't get double crit

[foggy lodge]

GAME 3

[stone trellis]

It does.

[foggy lodge]

wait do we get game 3

[stone trellis]

Who won?

[solid frigate]

protect and quiver dance your ass

game 3 maybe

this is just CM Pagos all over again

no wonder why Pagos's Theme is playing

yeah nvm its sealed technically

[real prairie]

Nah this volc is cooking

[bold geode]

That was literally Alysa's one out

[solid frigate]

fiery dance spam now

[dense latch]

i'm glad we got to see this team on stream
worth missing out on a win and in

[real prairie]

These paras are killer

[bold geode]

Alysa needed that wake up to win

[real prairie]

Think it could have survived one more turn as couldn't blood moon

It was +2 spDef

[bold geode]

Maybe? The High Horsepower was doing quite a bit
Probably would've needed a miss from that

[real prairie]

Or a para

But think it survived even with both hits but probably a roll

[solid frigate]

Either a miss or low roll

Or Para

[bold geode]

Yeah if HHP connects you probably go Game 3

[solid frigate]

Idk if glide kills here but yeah

It’s still 4x Resist

Pagos Theme playing at the background give me memories of just play Pagos

[foggy lodge]

Someone who was 7-1 dropped

[summer shore]

Dolphin banned

[solid frigate]

Yeah in Singles Dolphin is considered broken

[molten oasis]

Damn

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-crying-shower-sad-depressed-gif-26676704

[molten oasis]

Holy shit dnite is being consistent today

I thought this day would never come

[rustic mountain]

u know leonards specific spread?

that ape was pretty bulky

[atomic mural]

bro what did i miss 😭

[summer shore]

Clearly you've never been hit by banded Jet Punch

On that tera water joint

Or a +2 jet punch!

[bold geode]

+2?

[bold geode]

The corny man make a good gag tbh

[next stump]

This is the most random post ever but I am getting married this weekend and one of my groomsmen created a video with various people in my life wishing us well, AND HE GOT WOLFEY TO RECORD A VIDEO CLIP

I’ll post the video in here once I have it on my phone

[bold geode]

Holy shit congratulations man, I'm so happy for you

[lofty tartan]

Congrats on the wedding man

[molten oasis]

Congrats man that’s hype

[slim crest]

congrats on your wedding bro, wish you happiness

[rustic mountain]

grats dillon

🫡

[dense latch]

yoo congrats!! wishing you all the best dillon

[summer shore]

Bulking up to the moon

[summer shore]

Major congratulations king

[lofty tartan]

IT'S A WONDERFUL NEW CHAPTER IN YOUR LIFE

[waxen dock]

Congrats

[stone trellis]

May you and your partner have a long, healthy relationship.

[real prairie]

Congrats on the wedding bro

[foggy lodge]

Congrats Dillon so happy for you

[next stump]

thank you all!!

[foggy lodge]

https://www.pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000155/masters/

Teams are up

[real prairie]

I'm impressed with Brian Collins team, really lacking any real offence and still up there

Sunflora 6-3

Why are there so many drops?

[foggy lodge]

THAT'S A CLOSE COMBAT INCIN

[bold geode]

THIS GUY LMAO

@molten oasis they started Wolfe's camera on stream by looking at a plush with the glasses on

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

THE SUPER FANG LMAO

[real prairie]

I got cooked by one of these in GC

[foggy lodge]

wtf that's an hyper slow Whimsicott

Slower than the Gholdenho

[molten oasis]

Is this format just a shitpost now

[foggy lodge]

Its over lmao

Why is Annihilape here I don't get it

Its whimsicott horoark

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-23548728

(Sorry this is just what it looks like lol

[next stump]

how do the casters not realize that annihilape can’t hit zoroark

[foggy lodge]

lmfao really

I didn't listen to them

[real prairie]

Why not encore there? Locked into drain punch and chip at it with bitter malice

[next stump]

yeah they’re talking about that end game being close and a 50/50

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

[next stump]

i don’t think annihilape has any move that can hit it

he could icy wind it to death

[real prairie]

Ah yeah it's immune to both attacks haha

[foggy lodge]

Leonard would need 10 protects in a row to win

[real prairie]

Why did both keep playing 😭

[bold geode]

Wolfe is using Wolfe's Incineroar

[foggy lodge]

Wolfey always stalls the timer

AGAIN THE FANG

[bold geode]

They were probably using the extra time to think of plans for Game 2
Using as much time as you can to figure out what went wrong or right, pretty good thing

[real prairie]

Yeah fair enough

[foggy lodge]

LET'S GO RILLABOOM

[bold geode]

[foggy lodge]

That did a lot

[bold geode]

No Glide is something

YIKES

[real prairie]

Ouch

[bold geode]

I'm surprised there was no Glide there

[real prairie]

Yeah lost a lot there

[bold geode]

Could you just
Fake Tears Rilla here

[real prairie]

Trying to avoid the switch outs and wasting a move

[bold geode]

TW let Ursaluna go down, Incin should take it

Yikes this is actually bad for Leonard

[foggy lodge]

Leonard read the protect

[bold geode]

Actually meh

[foggy lodge]

Its vacuum

[bold geode]

No TW makes this rough

[foggy lodge]

nvm double protect

LEONARD READ IT AGAIN

[bold geode]

Oh?

Game 3

[real prairie]

Gg

[bold geode]

I feel like you TW on that one turn and then Incin Ursaluna just cleans the game up no?

[foggy lodge]

Yes he messed up

[real prairie]

he didn't tailwind knowing whims was going down was a mistake

[bold geode]

Probably was expecting the Vacuum into Ursaluna

[real prairie]

There were a few win cons there for Wolfe that he messed up

[bold geode]

Yeah
Just TW there, Dengo is forced to Protect so you Fake Out Blood Moon the Ursaluna and then the Dengo is naked and you take the set

[foggy lodge]

DRAGONITE

[bold geode]

What is blud cooking

He can't hit this Gholdengo with the Dnite

[foggy lodge]

oops

Nasty plot in front of yhe protect lol

Does incin die here

W fang make it

[bold geode]

Man I think Leonard might take this already

[foggy lodge]

3 URSAS

[bold geode]

Wolfe doesn't clean this up
At least I don't think he do right

OH GOD MY WORST NIGHTMARE

SHIT LOOKS LIKE OPEN SEASON

Chat I think Wolfe is cooked

Icy Wind "Ursaluna" can't hurt you

[foggy lodge]

Its over

Rilla wins

[bold geode]

Yeah

Wolfe kinda choked that one ngl

?

Yeah no

[real prairie]

Yeah absolutely

But he looks really shaky after that, not his usual composed self

[foggy lodge]

Oricorio is 8-2

Mirror on stream😭

I love Lorcy but man sucks to see a mirror on stream

[real prairie]

This would be so cool!

[foggy lodge]

Oh Lorcy is tera electric blursa

He used tera water before

Actually what are we doing

If Lorcy has dengo in the back its over

Now its blizzard EP

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge forgive me
But I'm rooting for someone with Frankfurt 6

[real prairie]

Fast incin

[foggy lodge]

That's a super fast Blursa

[real prairie]

The Incin being faster than both Ursa was wild

[foggy lodge]

No?

The Ursa literally moved before Incin

[real prairie]

Alex Incin

Not joshua

[foggy lodge]

Ah

Yeah that one is jolly i think

Does Arand's Blursa take the +2 shadow ball from dengo

[real prairie]

Probably not

[bold geode]

Swap Dengo Parting Ursa?

Or maybe even just straight up sac the Ursaluna

[foggy lodge]

Because all this Blursas are made to survive +2 shadow ball but when they shadow balled Lorcy's Ursa they seemed to sure about killing

So maybe their Ursa is not even meant to survive it lmao

[real prairie]

That's game

[foggy lodge]

Omfg if Lorcy does wood hammer shadow ball

[real prairie]

Why not protect to try wait out the snow?

Alex winning this just being faster

[foggy lodge]

gg

Incin wins now

Lorcy just has more resources than Arand

[real prairie]

Yeah losing Ursa was killer

[solid frigate]

The double Crit on the Incin lmao

Losing Incin is pain

[tiny karma]

Move: Grassy Glide

If the current terrain is Grassy Terrain and the user is grounded, this move has its priority increased by 1.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

55

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

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[stone trellis]

Is Wolfey out?

[real prairie]

No he's in top 8

[mental mason]

These scale shots.

[upper zealot]

i hope lorcy wins

[real prairie]

Sierra killing it

Although I'm curious as to why you wouldn't lead blursa and Prim and double spread

Oh nvm it doesn't have hypervoice

[stone trellis]

This Sierra lady played well, but Leonard might just be cracked.

Top 8 in her first regional is a really nice performance though, I hope we get to see more of her.

[cloud ibex]

Jolly or Adamanr Feraligatr? I never know wich nature I should pick

[real prairie]

Wolfe having bitter malice over shadow ball feels silly with Being able to illusion Ghould

Guess that shut me up

[bold geode]

That crit is horrible

That might actually be a bit game losing

Cuz now Tera Fire Rillaboom should roll Wolfe

[rustic mountain]

wolfey trynna mix it up and got punished majorly

[solid frigate]

Make it rain feels free here

Ggs to both

[real prairie]

That's gg and Wolfe still yet to win a SV regional without perish?

[solid frigate]

He did in Reg F

[real prairie]

Ah cool, wasn't sure

[foggy lodge]

He won 2 without perish

[solid frigate]

Honestly reg F Orlando regional is probably my favourite win from Wolfe

And no it wasn’t because of Amoonguss

[foggy lodge]

Crazy to have 4 regionals and an IC in one game lol

[rustic mountain]

p sure he won more w/o perish then w/ for sv . also top 8 for like any1 else is great, its just wolfey so ppl dont care as much

[foggy lodge]

He won uhhh

Orlando 2023 with perish
Orlando 2024 with balance
Another regional that I don't remember with balance
Toronto w perish

And EUIC with perish

[rustic mountain]

ahhh ok

gna see ppl running this stupid h zoroark team after he posts it on his patreon

[solid frigate]

Probably in low ladder I guess

Idk if High ladder would

[bold geode]

The Game 3 crit really fucked him

Also there's a Wolfe glazer in a server I'm in and we're kinda flaming them

[solid frigate]

Lmfao

[foggy lodge]

I hate Horoark so much

Playing flip coins since turn 1

[solid frigate]

Yeah I’m not gonna be happy to see that guy

Time to run Knock Offs

[rustic mountain]

he was trynna cover for fake out nasty plot or no fake out and it just set him too far back

crit was unfortunate but taking that make it rain was gna hurt regardless, mightve given him the room he needed to win tho

[molten oasis]

Is horoark real now of it this just Wolfe shenanigans?

[foggy lodge]

I think its real

He wasn't the only one running it

He was running it with his friend group

NINETALES WINS?

NINETALES WINS

wait no

Thanks god they didn't get the triple

LET'S GO LORCY

[solid frigate]

If Wolfe got it into top 8 you know people will run it because it’s Wolfe and not because it’s actually good

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/call-me-carson-carson-crying-carson-crying-minecraft-gif-15042578

[foggy lodge]

Reg H is just that metagame

I haven't really played in like a month

Watching regionals is fun tho

LFG CRIT

[bold geode]

I think no matter what you just Protect TW there no

[foggy lodge]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO

[real prairie]

That crit is GGs

That was HUGE

[rustic mountain]

yep

he tried to get fancy and push an advantage where it didnt need to be

[foggy lodge]

It was the play for the YT shorts

LORCY IN FINALS

LETS GOOOOOOO

[real prairie]

Lorcy reaction was great haha

Highroll crit

[foggy lodge]

LMAO THE CAM

[rustic mountain]

also freeze into flare blitz hit unthaw lmao

[real prairie]

Meme worthy

[foggy lodge]

Leonard Craft vs Arand

[rustic mountain]

crazy a player as good as lorcy hasnt won a regional

[real prairie]

This means a guaranteed new regional champ?

[rustic mountain]

yep

[real prairie]

Nice

Even if it is all fucking A9 balance

[foggy lodge]

There's a 50/50 chance finals is a mirror

[bold geode]

Yeah like just played risky when there was no need
Cuz even if they Plot you threaten an EP the next turn

And even if they Fake Out MIR you're in an even better spot

Honestly just lost cuz of a play that was never the way to go tbh
And like also imo wouldn't surprise me if he spent some nights after today thinking of that play LOL

[boreal creek]

Just saw some interesting things on Twitter

[bold geode]

Oh no

Nothing good ever comes from that sentence

[foggy lodge]

Freeze didn't matter here

Do you for icy wind here?

Does shadow ball kill damn

Arand wins game 1 its over

[rustic mountain]

he def will hes chasing peak consistency, usually doesnt involve those kinda plays. its kinda the same w/ g1 and him letting ursa bm go down wen he contemplated the switch for dengo into cc and make it rain and ursa just died to the combo

[bold geode]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

not gna play perfect all tourney but yea i think those are types of moments u def gta look at and say hey wat exactly was i doing here

[bold geode]

Right but yeah that one play is one of those turns you think about for a while

[foggy lodge]

Idk what MU its better for Lorcy

[boreal creek]

I like mega evolutions

[molten oasis]

I play here and there

Horoark is just another (hella annoying) mon to deal with

[solid frigate]

I’m not playing ladder cuz i am stuck on what I can do

[rustic mountain]

the call into the crit

[foggy lodge]

Mirror lets gooo

Only difference is

Lorcy's Incin is sitrus berry while Ardan's is goggles

And Lorcy's A9 is tera ground

[bold geode]

Frankfurt 6 takes another yay

[foggy lodge]

That Incin is turbo

If Rilla is faster than the Incin hmmm

WHAT DID ARAND DO

[rustic mountain]

sitrus berry incin >

[foggy lodge]

Maybe Lorcy can go for another swords dance lol

Well the Rilla is faster

Good to know

LMFAOOOOOOOO

[solid frigate]

I was expecting a fake out lmao

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-goofy-ahh-gif-26354343

[solid frigate]

Game 1 Lorcy takes the cake I think

[foggy lodge]

DOES INCIN TAKE THE EARTH POWER

Maybe it doesn't matter its probably glide earth power

[solid frigate]

Terrain is gone

[foggy lodge]

No but it was to not risk the HHP miss and get the wood hammer recoil

Because now it can be a rilla vs rilla and if you have the lower HP you most likely lose

1 HP FUCK

[solid frigate]

BRUH LMAO

[foggy lodge]

fuck

[solid frigate]

The low rolls are pain

[foggy lodge]

ughhh

This turn is super good

Will tera ground A9 carry Lorcy on this match

Is Lorcy gonna lose the finals to his incin and dengo being slow

LETS GOOO

[solid frigate]

Lorcy is on the backseat I think

[foggy lodge]

IT KILLS

LETS FUCKING GO

[solid frigate]

Alright he’s still in the game

[foggy lodge]

THERE'S DENGO IN THE BACK

click blizzard

do it lorcy click it

[solid frigate]

Blizzard and pray Dengo side does not miss

Wood hammer on Ursaluna

[foggy lodge]

LORCY WINS

[solid frigate]

Or that

[foggy lodge]

Game 3 dude please Lorcy do it

[solid frigate]

Protect and ggs technically

Wait no

Attack and you gg

[foggy lodge]

Protect wood hammer

And you win always right

[solid frigate]

Yeah

You want Ursaluna to not kill Dengo

Omfg if that crits

[bold geode]

Yikes

[real prairie]

That's the nerves

[foggy lodge]

Its over

[real prairie]

Protect was the best bet there

[solid frigate]

Yeah it’s over when he go for that play

[foggy lodge]

No it wasn't

[rustic mountain]

so he could get faked out the next turn?

[foggy lodge]

Lorcy knew he was going to switch into Rilla

Lorcy was in a bad spot and had to read the turn

[bold geode]

Welp
That's two sets lost to throws

[real prairie]

He hasn't been taking his fake out options

[foggy lodge]

And there's no tera for Sneasler

[rustic mountain]

then ur just open to the glide from rilla, protect was not the play, he just had to call the tera and he called wrong

[bold geode]

Hmmmm
Yeah no there's not really much you can do here

[foggy lodge]

The problem was commiting too much on Dengo

[bold geode]

Alex has to throw

[solid frigate]

Yeah I see why he want to do it but with just Sneasler it’s very hard to do anything

[rustic mountain]

him goin back to the g1 mode was risky

[real prairie]

This is painful

[foggy lodge]

Yeah and there's only Incin Rilla left

[solid frigate]

On the bright Side

2nd place is like awesome

I think you still qualify for worlds no?

[rustic mountain]

no only first is auto for regional

[foggy lodge]

without tera or fakr out or intimidate

[real prairie]

He does with his other 2 top 8 finishes

[foggy lodge]

Lorcy is already qualified for worlds basically

[bold geode]

Protect U Turn and Alex wins easy

[foggy lodge]

Top 8 into top 2 regionals

[solid frigate]

Adding up to other two regionals he does

[foggy lodge]

This rillas don't run u turn

[bold geode]

Yeah even then like
Lorcy is finalist and top 8 unless I'm missing another

Yikes
Lorcy was reading the switch

[foggy lodge]

He got like 600 points from just this two regionals I think lol

[solid frigate]

Yeah he’s guaranteed In worlds this year

[rustic mountain]

the points have to be top 75 by the end of the season

it isnt a bar threshold anymore

where u hit a certain number and ur good

[bold geode]

Yeah but also with a top 8 and a finals appearance you're probably well on your way there

Wait
Nah it don't

[foggy lodge]

Nah its not winnable

Arand just has more resources

[bold geode]

Would've been fucking insane

[real prairie]

Sadj

This A9 balance dominance is so sad

[wet wedge]

EXCUSE ME????

THIS IS NOT VICTOR VIEIRA BRO

THIS IS VICTOR VIEIRA 😭

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

Isn't the one up Bruno Rebello

[wet wedge]

No, he’s the guy who actually won the Seniors Belo Horizonte

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh

[rustic mountain]

[smoky quail]

Hi. Can Ceruledge be used for Double Format as a competitive?

[knotty mirage]

You want to use it on what reg exactly ?

[smoky quail]

Not really. More likely general Double Format. My friends and I are about to playing Double Format.

[knotty mirage]

Yeah i mean what regulation do you want to play in

Because if youre planning on playing on reg H then yes ceruledge is usable there but reg J not so much

[smoky quail]

Alright. Thanks. I'll go use Armarouge as Double Format for fun. xD Because I only have one shiny Charcadet. That's why.

[knotty mirage]

Are you planning on playing on the in game ranked ?

[smoky quail]

None. Playing with my good friends in Facebook chat group.

[knotty mirage]

Oh well then viability doesn't really matter there just use whatever you like

[rustic mountain]

few more days till lza

[cyan smelt]

is tera fighting gholdengo becoming a lot more common or something?

[rustic mountain]

yea, a few players have seen some success w/ it

might even b more after this weekend idt i saw many tera blast fighting dengo tho

[cyan smelt]

good into arch, gambit and incin

[signal glen]

Hey, is Sizcor still good in comp, always loved using him

[cyan smelt]

scyther is better honestly and gambit, gholdengo and arch are the premier steel types

[rustic mountain]

its ok

[signal glen]

God I hate seeing that gold little monster

Hella annoying

[rustic mountain]

yea

[cyan smelt]

well 134 base special attack

[rustic mountain]

honestly id rather a format where something like dengo is the threat instead of the bikes and horses

[signal glen]

Rn I'm using for doubles, Shiny Karidon, Celedurge, Gholdengo, Iron Tyson, DragonPult, and the mouse family

[rustic mountain]

team is kinda all over the place

[signal glen]

Yeah ik, no water types, should probably invest in one

[rustic mountain]

well ur running koraidon who sets sun, bit more limited on wat water types ur running tbh

[cyan smelt]

your team hates flutter mane

[rustic mountain]

and just in general ur team lacks cohesiveness, u want ur team to amplify each other

or the mons within ur team rather

[signal glen]

Well I try and use Close Combat on iron hands and then have my other clear smog, but I'm not too good when it comes to having my pokemon be actual pairs to each other

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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[rustic mountain]

id take a look at these resources if ur trynna get into improving and understanding the game more

id say to hold off on trynna teambuild urself atm tho, get acclimated to vgc first and even then, most really good players are not good teambuilders

[signal glen]

I usually play with whom I usually like, but I don't think using Luxray is gonna get me far LMAO

[rustic mountain]

haha i mean listen u can use luxray but yea its just not gna net u many wins

[signal glen]

Am debating swapping DragonPult for Haxourus but DragonPults speed tho

[rustic mountain]

haxorus sucks unfortunately

and either way neither is going to be really that helpful on a koraidon based team

lza spoiler ||looks like scrafty might be getting parting shot||

[shadow wind]

That's fire

[charred saddle]

walahi no one is playing

[shadow wind]

15-3 is fire

[charred saddle]

15-1 actually i DCed twice

didnt even get to play both games and its a free win

[molten oasis]

Not the dc’s, damn

Great record tho

[knotty mirage]

Just wondering is there any good restricted partner for mirai other than caly ice ?

[molten oasis]

Kyogre

[knotty mirage]

Only kyogre ?

[molten oasis]

Koraidon I guess

That did ok towards the end of reg I

[knotty mirage]

Hmm koraidon what build for the koraidon tho is it the life orb one or the clear amulet one ?

[molten oasis]

Clam I think? Look at the worlds teams I think some day 2’ed or top cut

[charred saddle]

is CSR stellar tera + pollen puff a new thing rn? 😭

walahi i got jumpscared by one

fucking one shot my darkshifu

[solid frigate]

I think he means Miraidon

Not CIR

[molten oasis]

Oh im stupid

[solid frigate]

Yeah no way you say Miraidon Kyogre is good lol

[molten oasis]

Lunala, zamazenta

I read that wrong

[solid frigate]

Ho-Oh was one point decent ig

[knotty mirage]

Oh currently iam using miraidon zamazenta team it just i have problem with ground type now with both of them sharing weakness too it

[knotty mirage]

Hmm ho-oh miraidon i will consider it then

[solid frigate]

You can use my team as reference

[knotty mirage]

Sure i will check it out later on rental team channel

[stone trellis]

Wanna have a match later?

[vernal shadow]

Anyone got a good alternative to ursaluna here ? I almost never bring it. I usually bring gardi, Luna, koroidon and whimsi. Sometimes swap to indeedee but rarely. Never use ursaluna. Any better fits ?