competitive_discussion

[stone trellis]

Point being: a blind infant with no limbs can take a kill through Counter/Mirror Coat if it has more than base 10 HP.

[solid frigate]

also we forgot the fact that we can just use the move knock off

[dapper crag]

Stop calling me out

Its meant to be my secret tactic

[solid frigate]

thats like mostly common knowledge

[dapper crag]

No do not aid him

[solid frigate]

what if i want to help my CIR bretheren even tho his team is gonna cook me

[real prairie]

Almost like i was doing counter strats with Rockpon to OHKO CIR in Reg I 👀

[rose kiln]

Hey guys i need a little help

I wanna build a team for duo battle ladder And i wanna build a team around Urshifu water

If someone Just dm me a good team And strategy that would be awesome

[stone trellis]

Torrent, what is Deoxys-Defense's base Attack stat?

And is it a Dark type?

[stone trellis]

Whose team?

[solid frigate]

not dark type

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 386: Deoxys-Defense

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/70/160/70/160/90

Total

600

Base Species

Deoxys

Sableye version 4.28.4

[solid frigate]

70 Atk

[solid frigate]

coaching CIR is like the worst MU for me

[stone trellis]

How come?

[solid frigate]

i'll explain once the team is open to public

[stone trellis]

We could have a Bo3 match when I get back home.

[jade dust]

I wasn’t able to play the last day of grand challenge

But there is another competition coming soon right? What is it about?

Something about Koraidon and Miraidon?

[solid frigate]

Koraidon/Miraidon+Any Reg A to Reg F mon

basically 2v2

[jade dust]

Wait you can only pick 2 mons?

Out of 6?

[solid frigate]

i think its just 2

wait

idfk how thhe format works

[jade dust]

That is a weird ruleset

[solid frigate]

idk how the format even work

[jade dust]

Bro just let me continue using my perish Dozo team

[solid frigate]

its just bring 6 pick 2

wait Miraidon is ass here

you can't reset terrain

[polar canyon]

Try resetting orichalcum pulse without a sunny day whimsicott

Same deal

[solid frigate]

at least its whimsicott which is easily accessible and its good

[real prairie]

https://x.com/RomanVGCMX/status/1974496100141928687?t=1vfhCuaQFAVW9wnuxQV81Q&s=19

AshMX (@RomanVGCMX)

@XavierShidow Godflora

X · Oct 4, 2025, 3:25 PM

Never believe anyone when they say you can't use a Mon, sunflora is viable in Reg H

The team

[solid frigate]

It can do stuff at least

Also it’s GC it’s gonna be very wacky

[real prairie]

Just glad mine didn't come out shiny 👀🤣

[foggy lodge]

Spoiler it isn't

[real prairie]

Tell that to the person who just used it successfully in GC lol

[bold geode]

@hollow fjord plz refrain from commenting in #rental_teams unless you're actually posting a rental

[strange fjord]

This Terastal Crescendo is pretty fun. Quick battles and easy games.

[solid frigate]

if you play Koraidon that is

[strange fjord]

Im playing Miraidon and only lost once

[foggy lodge]

Half of the pokedex works in bo1 cts

[real prairie]

Touche

[empty haven]

finally

[bold geode]

Isn't it a 2 mon thing only?

[strange fjord]

bring at least 4 and choose 2. double battle

must bring Koraidon/Miraidon in battle

[bold geode]

?
The thing says two mon

[solid frigate]

Bring 6 take two

[strange fjord]

yeah, you battle with only 2 Pokemon. you're team has to be at least 4 pokemon

[bold geode]

Yeah
I'm glad I don't gotta play such a dogshit tournament

[solid frigate]

Trust me I hate it already when Miraidon feels unplayable without any support dedicated to keep terrain and Koraidon in check

[strange fjord]

idk, its just for fun. no stakes, or real reward, just silly battles

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-silksong-dance-hornet-dance-hornet-silksong-gif-3654151901745923854

me when i hear pokemon and silly in the same context

[empty haven]

random battles are fun until i get delibird 2 times in a row

[zinc edge]

So close

[rustic mountain]

gl

[fringe dagger]

https://pokepast.es/d775e80bff2c2def
ive been banging my head against a wall tryna figure out what to add next onto this team (this is for terestal crescendo)

[zinc edge]

Yo they need to add a water/electric pokemon with an ability that's the rain version of chlorophyll and call it hydro-electric or hydropower or something feel like it could be that last push rain teams need to be better than sun teams

[rustic mountain]

wouldnt that just be another swift swim ability

🤨

also kinda varies wen one is better then the other, like for reg h rain has been consistently better while reg i sun turned out to be better

[cyan smelt]

Sun you're kinda restricted to trick room or sunny day scarf eruption

[zinc edge]

I completely forgot about swift swim 😂😂😂 @rustic mountain can you believe I'm masterball rank 😂😂😂🤣but yeah there's just so many good fire legends and mythicals and not very many super strong water ones other than Kyogre/ogrepon(but he has fire form too) and walking wake

[cyan smelt]

Has anyone ever tried beat up whims next to wp weak armour armarouge

[zinc edge]

And no sun teams got the biggest buff in sv with proto synthesis

Yeah but you have to tera dark to survive @cyan smelt

[cyan smelt]

Endure

[zinc edge]

That works too but then you die to one sucker punch

[cyan smelt]

That's why indeedee is in the back

[zinc edge]

True would that out speed choice chiyu

[cyan smelt]

No I'm talking reg h

[zinc edge]

I guess really your only problem would be tyranitar then which you don't see very often

Haven't seen a sand team in a while I might try to build one 🤣

[cyan smelt]

Ttar is around a lot

[zinc edge]

Really I haven't seen one in a while

With so many good fighting types available I hardly ever see it anymore

Just like salamence

[cyan smelt]

Just under 10% usage for ttar reg h on munchstats

[zinc edge]

Oh dang then yeah I see that being your only issue but you just would hit beatup in that case I believe

[cyan smelt]

Rock slide hurts and so does knock off

[zinc edge]

Or if you see ttar lead something else probably

Id probably run annihalape in the back because he can also benefit from the beat up strat if I'm not mistaken and tera fighting

[cyan smelt]

Yeah just had that same thought

Idk if that makes it too obvious though

[zinc edge]

Well both strats have been done before I think but either way it's good to have a back up with the opposite weaknesses and strengths

So that'd be your 2 sweepers and utility mon how would you fill it out

[cyan smelt]

No idea

Sneasler maybe but then that's 3 flying weaknesses

[zinc edge]

Hmm instead of sneasler maybe try alolan muk or galarian weezing?

I'd say amoongus but that doesn't fix your flying problem

[cyan smelt]

Nah not muk or weezing

Could go ursaluna for an additional way to activate wp

And it benefits from tw

Maybe sturdy power herb arch?

Or well, stamina arch benefits from beat up too

Dual weather lol, sunny day on whims and peli arch

Arch learns solar beam, funny

[ebon pivot]

what do yall think about the gastrodon team? https://pokepast.es/fcbae04155c53b47

[viscid garnet]

Not sure how i wanna build this team but i could either make pikachu a support or glass cannon

[solid frigate]

At least you got the spirit(even tho the team choice is not the best)

[knotty mirage]

I have question can AV koraidon survive dazzling gleam from miraidon ?

[solid frigate]

Probably not

It’s still 4x weak +Miraidon’s Potential Specs

Lemme do the calcs

[knotty mirage]

The thing is i'm not using spec mirai

It is modest and on electric terrain but no tera

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 28 HP / 28 SpD Assault Vest Koraidon: 200-236 (111.7 - 131.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Koraidon: 136-164 (77.7 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yes but Very uncomfortable For Koraidon for the remaining of the match

[knotty mirage]

Okay that makes sense now

Just surprised how this mofo doesn't get ohkod by dazzling but AV is the answer then

[solid frigate]

164+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Koraidon: 196-232 (112 - 132.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I don’t have to worry about it tho

[solid frigate]

Tbf it’s a spread move

If it’s ST it kills

[knotty mirage]

In my experience it always ohkod that's why i'm confident on clicking it without needing to tera

But i guess AV said otherwise

Oh well thats the risk of playing on cart ladder i guess

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Close Combat vs. 156 HP / 12 Def Miraidon: 179-212 (91.7 - 108.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

I guess it’s safe for me to gamble a 50/50 if I don’t bring Grimmsnarl

[real prairie]

Surely they just tera fairy infront of you

so there is the added gamble of using Flare Blitz or CC

[solid frigate]

Technically it’s safer to not Tera

[short quiver]

to the hsr players i got evernight last night

[dense latch]

real

[waxen dock]

Yeah

I call it the "rng reg"

[solid frigate]

I’m fine with Reg H but like I am just better at Higher level formats

[waxen dock]

But its seriously almost entirely based around rng

[stone trellis]

Same.

[molten oasis]

[gloomy gull]

Is there a good place to find a locals Discord or find some folks local to me? Or just to network in the VGC community. I just started over this summer, but feel a little lost and don't have any friends that do VGC so it's just me and the YouTubers I subscribe to.

[waxen dock]

ok

maybe this gc wasnt so bad

i got points again

but i think it is still bad overall

[next stump]

What state do you live in? Or country if not the U.S.

I can try to find their discord

[exotic grotto]

You did really great in the Grand Challenge II!

[waxen dock]

25-20 isnt that good

but i mean i did get 75 points

so no complaining

[exotic grotto]

25-20 is amazing! All players in the tournament were really skilled, and you managed to win most of the battles! Congratulations!

[gloomy gull]

I am in Louisville, KY

[waxen dock]

25-20 isnt good and it is in seniors so not really that many good players

[next stump]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bfK2V-a7Y2hhrohH7f4qy_OaQkzm7VoyfC9EDvkdwck/edit?gid=50775044#gid=50775044

I’m asking around for if there’s an updated version of this sheet because it’s a little older

[solid frigate]

Just get used to it

ATP idk if that’s sarcastic or not

[waxen dock]

I think there were 3 reasons why i did 25-20

[solid frigate]

Go on

[waxen dock]

1. I got bad luck

2. My team wasnt very good in the gc

3. There werent a lot of playera so like 60% of the players are good instead of like 40%

[solid frigate]

1.That happens
2.Its really subjective really
3.we don’t know for sure if the statistics are truly correct in your perspective

[dense latch]

isn't that the max
that's really good

[real prairie]

I should probably check if i did

i got 4 points

top 85% globally 👀 🤣

[zinc edge]

Who all is masterball tier in here I just want to ask what ranking I should shoot for before thinking about signing up for irl tournaments

[real prairie]

theres not really a direct correlation

if you can, try to sign up for a local tournament before a regional to give you tournament experience

[next stump]

Are you talking locals or regional level events?

[zinc edge]

Either one honestly

I just want to go ahead and start as it something I've always been interested in doing

[real prairie]

just sign up to one and practice plenty beforehand

either way you'll get the experience

[next stump]

like jack said, the correlation is pretty hard

I’d say if you can get like top 300-500 on master ball tier, you’re probably good enough to go at least even at a regional

but right now it’s weird because the in game format is NOT the format played at regionals

[zinc edge]

What is the format at regionals

[next stump]

Regulation H

[real prairie]

ah good shit, this helps the imposter syndrome a lot, cheers

[gentle crag]

averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[ebon pivot]

you mean so peak 😹😹✌

[polar canyon]

Hey chat how's the pokemon

[stone trellis]

AV Gouging Fire sounds like fun.

[next stump]

did anyone see the pokemon tweet about the different regulations today? lol

[stone trellis]

No, I'm not a Twitter user.

[molten oasis]

Well

I did, maybe we’re doing another reg lol

[stone trellis]

Post the tweet here.

[molten oasis]

I want reg f I cannot do reg I again

[polar canyon]

Bring back f fr

[stone trellis]

Was F that good?

[molten oasis]

https://x.com/playpokemon/status/1975592045214638208?s=46

Play! Pokémon (@playpokemon)

Hey, Trainers! We're curious to know: What has been your favorite #PokemonVGC Regulation Set in Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet so far? 👀

X · Oct 7, 2025, 4:00 PM

It’s better than I, if it’s C that’s perfectly fine

[polar canyon]

We didn't know we had it good and by we I mean I because idk how everyone feels

[stone trellis]

I liked Reg G and Reg I.

[molten oasis]

If they pick I im gonna cry I hate Calyrex

[stone trellis]

I'm a high power format kind of guy, I guess.

[polar canyon]

I'm fine with I but if I could go back to f I would with no hesitation

I embraced the calyrex, it's fine I guess

Gotta play it to know how to beat it by being beaten while using it

[stone trellis]

"Guys i hate Calyrex and Miraidon so much im gonna go back to the format where Flutter Mane had 85% usage"

[molten oasis]

I’m sorry I’d rather fight fluttermane over Calyrex any day of the week

[polar canyon]

Real

[stone trellis]

I couldn't give two shits about Shadow Rider.

[molten oasis]

I also want F which was a format where nothing was super super oppressive except like raging bolt

[polar canyon]

It takes a choice scarf and a tera water surging strikes to disable flutter mane

[stone trellis]

Most CSR teams are brimstone anyway, that thing relies too much on Zamazenta's Wide Guard 99% of the time.

[polar canyon]

I be relying on redirection instead

Csr korai ftw

[dense latch]

idk man i think the 120 BP spread ghost move just might be a bit stronger than the 80 bp one

[stone trellis]

It's super clear what they want to do almost all of the time and they almost always die to either Feint/Wide Guard + Glacial Lance or just Whimsicott + Miraidon as a concept.

[molten oasis]

You can actually resist flutter’s spread move fairly well

[dense latch]

wide guard + fake out + follow me + grim neigh + 150 speed

[molten oasis]

The horse just has such high special attack and snowballs so easily

[dense latch]

if a csr team is relying solely on wide guard from zama then it's not a good csr team

[molten oasis]

And I don’t think that’s fun to play into at all

[polar canyon]

Fair enough

For me it depends

[stone trellis]

To be honest, my peak rating is 1569, so I'm not the most reliable source on Fraud Rider teams' capabilities.

[polar canyon]

I like capitalizing on flame charge to get speed before csr switches in or for a 2hko

[bold geode]

Low-key Zam CSR teams heavily play on the Shadow Rider

[stone trellis]

I just nuke it with Whimsicott + Miraidon.

[molten oasis]

I’m also just sick of Calyrex, I like miraidon (I play zacian) but Calyrex is a headache I just don’t wanna deal with

Raging bolts annoying too but unlike CSR I like the Mon lol

[bold geode]

Like basically Zam CSR you're just playing a Calyrex Shadow Rider team with a really good bodyguard

[stone trellis]

That combination actually likes both Calyrex forms.

[dense latch]

yea i saw no change in gameplans from reg g to reg i except that there was another thing for my ice rider to worry about

[stone trellis]

Any Ice Rider who isn't Tera Grass or Tera Ground will die to Helping Hand Tera Electric EDrift.

Also, Discharge is still the GOAT move on Mirai.

[stone trellis]

Use my team, bro.

[polar canyon]

Kinda hated the one time I fought mirai + ground plate arceus

[stone trellis]

Ah yes, Icy with redirection fodder.

[bold geode]

Yeah like deadass if you didn't notice
Zamazenta on these comps is literally a better Mienshao

[polar canyon]

Maybe I just need to put ground tera on something

[stone trellis]

What's your team?

[polar canyon]

I forgot it's been a while

Korai csr flutter chi yu and something else

Electabuzz and something

[stone trellis]

Brute Bonnet?

[polar canyon]

Yes

[stone trellis]

I'm him.

[polar canyon]

The goat

My cir answer

[dense latch]

if i played reg j sure but i'd rather not play that format

[stone trellis]

It works for both formats, you know.

[polar canyon]

I mean does it

[stone trellis]

Oh yeah, there's no Reg I ladder on Showdown anymore.

[polar canyon]

I wouldn't have electabuzz if darkrai wasn't a looming minor threat

[stone trellis]

My team does.

[polar canyon]

Vital spirit is just cool like that

[stone trellis]

Wide Guard and Electric terrain are just hella useful in general.

Feint is like taking the chessboard and beating your opponent upside the head with it.

[polar canyon]

I probably could use electabuzz in reg i but I can find better options for what it does without deliberately also being a darkrai counter

Redirection with ewebs

[stone trellis]

I'm pretty sure it's the only one who gets both aside from like, Pachirisu.

[polar canyon]

/icy wind

[stone trellis]

So Clefairy/Clefable?

[polar canyon]

Sure

Maybe I'd use rage powder tailwind volc

Struggle bug wisp is such a funny combo

Or one of those + overheat for a single use nuke on the sun team

[stone trellis]

I wonder if I should forgo most bulk on Ogerpon and make it fast enough to be 1 point faster than 228 Speed Adamant Arceus.

So it can redirect Extreme Speed and let Ice Rider rip everyone apart.

I guess I already have enough anti-Arceus tools.

[polar canyon]

Next time I play I'm compelled to use brick break/defog just because of how annoying the screens arceus/mirai archetype is to fight

Just plain unfun

[stone trellis]

That's a thing?

[polar canyon]

Screens arceus?

Very much so

[stone trellis]

All I know is Cosmic Power StallCeus.

[polar canyon]

120 hp 120 defenses with screens simply doesn't die and gets to swords dance

[stone trellis]

NEVER ABBREVIATE COSMIC POWER

[stone trellis]

Go Tera Water.

Otherwise, Shifu will put it on a T-shirt.

[dense latch]

we abbreviate championship points i think we're too far gone in that regard

[polar canyon]

What does that have to do with arceus espeed

[stone trellis]

^

[polar canyon]

They're tera ghost usually for obvious reasons

Or normal

[stone trellis]

If that junk can kill Ice Rider, Arceus is hanging out with Pac and Biggie.

[polar canyon]

Shifu won't put on no show if it's one shot by +2 stab espeed

[stone trellis]

Good luck getting to +2.

[polar canyon]

One swords dance behind screens

[stone trellis]

You can't Protect.

Screens is negated by crits.

[polar canyon]

Good luck one shotting arceus with surging strikes anyways

They also like bringing miraidon anyways

[left bobcat]

Arceus will be aight

Arceus never gets one shot

[polar canyon]

Half the time they lead miraidon and assess the situation for wether or not to volt switch while grimm sets screens

[stone trellis]

236+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Helping Hand Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 204 HP / 0 Def Arceus in Rain on a critical hit: 276-330 (124.8 - 149.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[polar canyon]

Getting a good positioning with watershifu is gonna a challenge in itself

Right tera rain helping hand

Realistic common scenario

[left bobcat]

Yeah I was about how tf do you even get into that position

It’s not that simple

[stone trellis]

I forgot to remove rain.

I was using it to calc AV Gouging Fire.

[polar canyon]

Tho even if it was an easy ohko the positioning is gonna be tough

If they lead with volt switch mirai + grimmsnarl

You don't know where the volt switch is going or even if it's switching

So getting urshifu to be there safely before arceus swords dances is gonna be a massive gamble

[stone trellis]

Scarf removes that gamble unless Mirai is also Scarf.

Or if Grimmsnarl has Fake Out.

[left bobcat]

Does ursh even 1 shot grim

[polar canyon]

I don't think so

[stone trellis]

It can OHKO Ice Rider with rain even if it isn't Adamant.

Compare and contrast the two's stats and tell me if you think Grimmsnarl will live Tera Water SS even without rain.

[polar canyon]

So in this scenario you see a miraidon on team preview and decide to lead peli/kyogre + water urshifu

[bold geode]

Plz don't make that joke here

[stone trellis]

Again, I forgot to turn rain off.

I was using it for an entirely different calc.

[polar canyon]

252+ Atk Tera-Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Grimmsnarl on a critical hit: 168-204 (83.1 - 100.9%) -- 0.17% chance to OHKO

[stone trellis]

Oh yeah, I was using Helping Hand for the calcs.

[polar canyon]

I feel like the topic is shifting from getting urshifu to kill arceus to wether or not urshifu is good into mirai arceus

[stone trellis]

I may be an idiot.

[left bobcat]

I mean- it’s eh

If you can get miraidon to Tera electric/fairy and it’s not scarf then you got a chance

[stone trellis]

Or if you have Speed control on your side.

(And they don't)

[left bobcat]

Bullshit

[stone trellis]

Calm down, buckaroo.

[left bobcat]

Huh

[stone trellis]

I didn't shoot your dog with a shotgun.

[polar canyon]

What

[left bobcat]

Anyways ursh can win the mu

[stone trellis]

I said something, he replied with "Bullshit" as if he was offended by what I said.

[polar canyon]

That's just a way of saying that's not true

[stone trellis]

I know, Campfire.

[polar canyon]

Doesn't seem like it

[left bobcat]

I’m not offended it’s just well… bullshit

[polar canyon]

Alright moving on it's gonna be tough to get the right position with ursh

[stone trellis]

What, assuming that Shifu has Speed control?

[left bobcat]

If I use all caps or some exclamation marks then ok yeah I might be offended but nah chief anyways

[polar canyon]

I think assuming speed control is all it takes

[left bobcat]

Not to mention the tail room shenanigans

[stone trellis]

I just realised something.

[left bobcat]

I would’ve said indeedee is there but uh-

[stone trellis]

I play Coaching CIR, I don't have to give a flying fuck about Arceus doing anything!

(+2 Tera Normal Life Orb Sword of Ruin max Attack Adamant E-Speed barely does more than 85% to neutral Ice Rider, they're fucked if I manage to get a single Coaching off)

Should I give Iron Valiant the Covert Cloak?

[left bobcat]

Mmmmmm nah

It’s normally sash or booster energy

[stone trellis]

I just need to be certain that I can click Coaching without caring about Fake Out plays on turn 1 and preserving my Tera.

[polar canyon]

Give it tera ghost if the issue is fake out

I think sash is more valuable for it

[stone trellis]

I'd much rather waste the Tera on the good shit, to be honest.

[polar canyon]

Good is whatever wins you the game

[stone trellis]

I get that.

[left bobcat]

So Tera ghost sash/booster energy

[stone trellis]

I'm still so GOATed that I've only lost a Fake Out mindgame twice, I should be fine with keeping Sash.

[left bobcat]

Well keeping sash isn’t hard

[stone trellis]

Keeping Sash as the item on Valiant.

[left bobcat]

Then again the amount times someone else’s sash got broken off a simple play has taken me by a surprise

[stone trellis]

I don't lose turn 1 Fake Out plays.

[left bobcat]

That’s why sometimes I just save my sash mons in the back depending on the mu

[stone trellis]

Here's a little quiz: If a Pokemon with a base Special Defense of 130 has invested 172 EVs into that stat and has a neutral nature, what will the actual stat be at level 50?

[polar canyon]

Why would I know that off the top of my head

[stone trellis]

(The answer is 172 and it annoys me to no end)

[left bobcat]

[polar canyon]

How's that annoying

If anything it's satisfying

[stone trellis]

Maybe.

It's 1:30 AM, the border between annoyance and satisfaction is very blurred.

But yeah, 236 HP / 172 SpD is the bare minimum to live Tera Ghost CSR Astral Barrage.

(If you're using CIR)

[stone trellis]

It also lives every single Specs Miraidon roll except for the highest possible one.

[real prairie]

Think there is anything to Play Pokémon asking us our fave reg?

Maybe champions is behind and theyll need another one.

Or maybe it's simply for cart ladder 🤔

[solid frigate]

i'm just gonna choose Reg F

[finite citrus]

Meoww

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-kamen-rider-ooo-bored-boredom-boredom-dance-gif-23773880

[rustic mountain]

p sure the winner will be the next reg, otherwise why r u even asking us

nov-feb and then yea prolly champions release

[foggy lodge]

I think its just a post for fun

Because pre reg F you would have to ban all the DLC moves

Or they just let the mons run the dlc moves again idk

Roaring Moon on reg C with knock off goes kinda crazy

[rustic mountain]

they have the community in an uproar it better not just be funny engagement post

[foggy lodge]

If it isn't that means we have SV for roughly another 3 months and we'll just have a rerun of a format

I feel like its a lose lose situation lol

[rustic mountain]

i think thats happening regardless

just a matter of what that next format turns out to be

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Cool to let the community pick the next format

[rustic mountain]

id like that but u might b right and thats not wat it is

[foggy lodge]

On twitter reg C is winning but on instagram is reg F

I also feel like

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

Ugh if they really let the community pick idk if they would just do a random post on social media

[rustic mountain]

yea

might just be sv recap question for engagement

[waxen dock]

so now here are 2 polls

[polar canyon]

You know they wouldn't care

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/SanvyVGC/status/1975681682184274160

Sanvy (@SanvyVGC)

the most important thing at the end of day is that we all hate reg h this format is buns

X · Oct 7, 2025, 9:56 PM

[waxen dock]

If i reach my bfl and get 1st place in the gc does 2nd place get 65 points or 75 points(1st place amount of cp)?

Amd also in all other gc i get first place

[solemn flicker]

Im looking for a solid Miraidon team with a mythical partner. Who would yall recommend? I heard of a Ground arceus where Miraidon spams Parabolic Charge with Choice Specs Tera Electric. Or Meloetta being a solid partner for Miraidon. Any of them good?

[waxen dock]

Use cir

Even tho he isnt a mythical

[solid frigate]

Miraidon doesn’t have a good mythical Partner

[knotty mirage]

I wonder does electric seed miraidon viable or is it just a gimmicky build ?

[solemn flicker]

I tried it and it was whatevs. I rather want the damage than the defense boost

[knotty mirage]

I mean i see some people using on it on cart ladder with grimmnsarl and also using calm mind on the miraidon

[solemn flicker]

Oh Calm Mind Miraidon! Thats cool.

[solid frigate]

I love Melloetta but She sucks so badly

Like sure it beats Shadow Rider but that’s it

[solemn flicker]

Yea thats true. Miraidon picks her up instead of her making Mirai better lol

[cyan smelt]

I've learnt that pecharunt is no good

[solid frigate]

Almost all Mythicals are not good compare to what we have now

[knotty mirage]

I mean isn't the only mythical that's worth using currently is arceus or magearna

[real prairie]

feel like not benefiting much from Serene Grace

[real prairie]

Darkrai has a use case, but basically building the whole team around it

[knotty mirage]

Darkrai whole stick is pretty much just trying too makes dark void have 100% accuracy

But even then it can be hard countered by electric terrain most of time

[real prairie]

yeah it just puts Miraidon in an even better power position

[solid frigate]

Think about the opportunity cost on that

[knotty mirage]

Oh well i will try out miraidon zamazenta team later hopefully it will work for my ladder push

[cyan smelt]

That's why Darkrai teams have rillaboom

[solid frigate]

Even then I almost have no issue dealing with them (Thank you Ho-Oh)

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[knotty mirage]

Still it's pretty much makes the one who use darkrai on disadvantage

Yeah it's possible to win with darkrai agains't mirai but it's not going to be painless

[solid frigate]

It’s still like 40-60

[knotty mirage]

And don't forget the one who use miraidon can run taunt on some of the mon too

Making the odd more stacked agains't you

Speaking from experience that is

[solid frigate]

That’s why it’s better to run reg I teams

[knotty mirage]

Welp that's why i run mirai zamazenta

I want to use caly ice but my bss team need the caly s more

[solid frigate]

I run Miraidon Ho-Oh as my potential final Team of Scarlet and Violet

[real prairie]

or Indeedee

gravity pairs quite well with TR

[real prairie]

my new team is very funny:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2457628729

[viscid garnet]

Anyone wanna help me build a vgc team around pikachu? Whether it be support pika or glass cannon pika?

[solid frigate]

Who the fuck Ping me

[waxen dock]

pikachu is bad dont use it its not zu here cuz there are no tiers

[viscid garnet]

I accidentally did and deleted it my b

[viscid garnet]

I dont care about rank or being good bruh, just wanna use my favorite mon

[waxen dock]

So play smogon zu pikachu is good there pikachu is bad in vgc

[viscid garnet]

Bro did not in fact read what i just said

[solid frigate]

Not really

Pikachu works as a support

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 25: Pikachu

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Lightning Rod (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

35/55/40/50/50/90

Total

320

Other Formes

Pikachu-Cosplay, Pikachu-Rock-Star, Pikachu-Belle, Pikachu-Pop-Star, Pikachu-PhD, Pikachu-Libre, Pikachu-Original, Pikachu-Hoenn, Pikachu-Sinnoh, Pikachu-Unova, Pikachu-Kalos, Pikachu-Alola, Pikachu-Partner, Pikachu-Starter, Pikachu-World

Sableye version 4.28.4

Pokémon No. 812: Rillaboom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Grassy Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/90/60/70/85

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.4

[solid frigate]

Faster Fake out than Rillaboom

[tiny karma]

Pikachu's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Brick Break, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double Kick, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Extreme Speed, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Flail, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Headbutt, Heart Stamp, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Nuzzle, Pay Day, Play Rough, Present, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Slam, Spark, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Upper Hand, Volt Tackle, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Disarming Voice, Discharge, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Mud-Slap, Rising Voltage, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Bestow, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charge, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Detect, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Follow Me, Growl, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hold Hands, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magnet Rise, Mimic, Nasty Plot, Play Nice, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Sing, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Tail Whip, Teeter Dance, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Wish, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Pikachu.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[solid frigate]

Like it’s not meta by any means but as a support it can enable stuff and redirect electro shots

Free para that can break sash which basically invalidate two Sneasler sets at once in terms of speed

[waxen dock]

Then raichu is better

[solid frigate]

If he keeps saying Pikachu I can’t really stop him

especially it isnt half bad like most other mid evos

[viscid garnet]

I was gonna say i use raichu alot already

I just wanted to try it out with pika

[viscid garnet]

Thank you for this knowledge

[gentle crag]

sirtails12 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[knotty mirage]

I wonder will reg i makes comes back on official tournament or will it be just reg H untill champion comes out

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

honestly despite i would be ready on that

Fuck no-

[rustic mountain]

?

[solid frigate]

i don't want the meta of reg i to continue development

we see reg G did it,not a good idea

[rustic mountain]

reg g sucked cuz its 1 restricted, skews it more towards mu roulette when you have all ur eggs in 1 basket so to speak

[knotty mirage]

I'm just bored seeing dire claw casino

[rustic mountain]

so thats bound to happen w/ a format like that, reg i while not great def isnt reg g bad in terms of having that be the case

[solid frigate]

at least i got to play Tang Gang CIR

[rustic mountain]

i sucked w/ tang gang cir, idk if its cuz by the time it won it had so much respect but like i had to get off that team quick

[solid frigate]

i guess its more because not too familiar on faster CIRs

[rustic mountain]

prolly was more a me thing, idt cuz of that but just how the team functioned overall. usually tang gang teams are a lot easier for me to vibe with

loved that quadruple dark team w/ kyogre

[solid frigate]

oh that team is unique yeah

[rustic mountain]

but usually w/ their teams theres something thats extremely exploitable that i dont seem to be able to get that they obviously are understanding on how to play it like x4 dark or tera fairy cir

[solid frigate]

i kinda just accidentally encountered Yotam while i used that team but with Greninja

Not my best showing tho

[rustic mountain]

yea cuz u put greninja on the team

[solid frigate]

it actually did shit in that match lmao

curse that chi yu

[rustic mountain]

prolly cuz yotam was like tf is greninja doing here haha

[foggy lodge]

Remember when Lunala won with the Tang core

[solid frigate]

i highly respect tang's teambuilding

like man

They ffucking cooked

EVERY single time

[solid frigate]

by itself as well

[foggy lodge]

Shiliang Tang is one of the greatest teambuilders ever

He always comes up with something new

[solid frigate]

both Tangs are like vvery good at teambuilding

High respect on them

[foggy lodge]

He is the one who built the Wo-Chien Kyogre team, the CIR Roaring team, the AV Mirai Lunala

[solid frigate]

yeah

don't underestimate East Asian Players

[stone trellis]

Shiliang probably studies the works of Chinese philosophers every time he wants to build a team.

(Please tell me he's Chinese and I'm not tripping)

[foggy lodge]

Yeah he is chinese

[polar nest]

We did it boys. Reg F won

[stone trellis]

Guess I'll get to see how good it actually was.

[upper zealot]

knowing tpc the poll probably isn’t gonna amount to anything

[solid frigate]

He is Mainland Chinese shown in stream Preview and Victory road

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/unironicpanda/status/1975990812455374967

justin tang (@unironicpanda)

@AzazeL_the_God Votes are in and we are just playing reg i again

X · Oct 8, 2025, 6:24 PM

How did reg I get more votes than reg C bruh

[molten oasis]

How is that possible lmao

We really wanna go back to Calyrex and bike spam?

[foggy lodge]

Still

I think this really is just an engagement post

Cuz like think about this

Why out of all regs did they make it reg I vs reg F vs reg C???

[solid frigate]

probably because the are completed format for thhe 3 category

Regional National Restricted

[foggy lodge]

ngl i didn't get anything of what you said

[solid frigate]

Reg C:Final Official Regional Dex Format SV
Reg F:Final Official National Dex Format SV
Reg I:Final Official Restricted Format for SV

[molten oasis]

Nah it’ll be reg J watch

[solid frigate]

generational crashout time

[knotty mirage]

Tbh i prefer too watch restricted spam than seeing sneasler use dire claw for the thousand times

[steep charm]

peak

[molten oasis]

But over reg f or reg c?

[knotty mirage]

Well i don't remember much about those two reg

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2457944991-0j6yqg75xx9dr3q75f29bcu0dxq7ff6pw
one of the better comebacks ive had recently

[gentle island]

Rate My Team https://pokepast.es/0c36710c3ab9dc10

[bold geode]

So honestly
Had some promise on first glance, but there's some kinks in there that kind of mess it up

For example, a Sneasler of the Grassy Seed set probably wants some bulk and like
Dark Tera is fine too, I honestly don't think it needs Fake Out here, you could do something like Coaching or even Tera Flying Acrobatics there

Rillaboom probably wants like U Turn or High Horsepower over Knock Off and wants a defensive tera here imo like Fire

Also in doubles at lvl 50 having 8 EVs is a waste cuz technically it works to have 4 EVs for a stat point then every 8 so the Magmar is wasting points in speed, you can literally just dump 4 from there into the Spatk and be fine, also instead of Wisp and Smog I'd either choose attacking move + Wisp or attacking move + Smog

Dragapult is like basically right except that you actually want Tera Ghost Blast over Tera Stellar so you have a very spammable Ghost type option + Tera Stellar Blast lowers attacking stats
Other than that I'd honestly like to see something replace Greninja here so you could slap the Sash on Mamo

[gentle island]

Thanks for the feedback

[bold geode]

No problem
Also a question if you don't mind, is this your first team by chance or are you new?

[real prairie]

Howdy, what have I missed?

[solid frigate]

Not much

[rustic mountain]

back to 1600s yeesh

[visual flume]

What game will VGC move to next? Is it going to be champions or ZA?

[lofty tartan]

It's going to be Champions, I'm sure. ZA is staged around 4-man battle royales, presumably.

It's just not even remotely similar to VGC at all.

[ebon pivot]

because

[next stump]

yeah ZA will only be relevant for VGC through adding additional pokemon to Champions

like the regional forms and megas

[rustic mountain]

imagine at peak popularity they just completely change the battle style and vgc as we know it dies

[spiral ridge]

Disables protect

[waxen dock]

Champions cuz za doesnt have normal battles

[cyan smelt]

also ZA most likely won't have abilities

[waxen dock]

Tbh

I think they need to release champions in november

So we will have enough time to get the vp and finish the game

[rustic mountain]

champions will not be released in november

[waxen dock]

Ik

But i think it should have been released in november

[rustic mountain]

feb-march 2026 id say is most realistic might even be spring

[rustic mountain]

nah, gta give lza a chance to breathe

[cyan smelt]

yeah maybe i'm wrong but i feel like they didn't do that with PLA

[violet cove]

I just had an online ranked battle with someone who used scarfed smeargal and put all of my team to sleep at once, minimise alolan muk, and an amoongus who also tried to sleep my whole team as well as a koraidon. I've never felt more angry, nor vidicated when I beat him with follow me saftey goggles indeedee, and blizzard cant miss in snow alolan ninetails.

[solid frigate]

Don’t get that into your head

Minimise Muk is cheese strat anyways it would not do well

[shadow wind]

Man both of the OMs these month are wack

Somehow both have devolved into stall

Not a fan

[cyan smelt]

Randbats is actually kinda fun

[knotty mirage]

How likely it is do you guys think that miraidon getting nerfed on champions

[solid frigate]

Tera would still be available and I think it only competes with Xerneas for the Special Attacking Restricteds slot

But actual nerfs? Not likely imo

[knotty mirage]

Hopefully that could be the case then

I just don't want miraidon to become zacian 2.0

[cyan smelt]

I hope crobat comes back to deal with this sneasler crap

[solid frigate]

With Primals and Mega Ray return

I don’t think Miraidon needs a nerf

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough

[real prairie]

Realistically, its only got 4 months before hype moves to generation 10 with the 30th aniversary pokemon day

[knotty mirage]

Please to not release gen 10 too early because i presume it will be only available on switch 2 and i need to get that console first

Or at least i'm hoping they would release switch 2 lite before gen 10 release

[cyan smelt]

I've learnt from doing a few randbats that I get tilted really easily

[solid frigate]

Always expect the worst

That’s how I deal with bullshit

[real prairie]

itll be November next year

[knotty mirage]

Source

[real prairie]

the release date of all the previous man series titles lol

they keep to a pretty tight schedule

[knotty mirage]

It could be different because i mean come mon do they really want plza too only have 1 year lifespan

[waxen dock]

Didnt you do 25-20 too?

[cyan smelt]

Randbats is good actually, it teaches me the importance of strategic teras, switches and dealing with randomness

[waxen dock]

I hate ranbats

[cyan smelt]

Teaches me to be more adaptable and flexible too which I need because I tend to be rigid and inflexible

I'm hoping playing it helps me deal with tilt better

[solid frigate]

For me it’s more like I always have to anticipate

[cyan smelt]

Maybe it'll help me anticipate teras that my pokemon might be weak to

[real prairie]

PLA only had a year

less than in fact

its always going to be a game though where you finish the story and won't be much more to do, like PLA

[knotty mirage]

Nah plza literally have comp

Which have a chance to be added on regional or word championship

[dapper crag]

I have been summoned

[real prairie]

Absolutely won't be

[knotty mirage]

Why not we literaly got spam click simulator in there why the new plza comp cannot be added

Like what's your reason to believe it will not be added

[real prairie]

because its a long term game, its a mid series that will be used to test new mechanics

[solid frigate]

I am not gonna improve my hand eye coordination because of that

[real prairie]

Mine has long been dead

[knotty mirage]

So youre telling me that the new mainline games will not use turn based anymore and will just use the PLZA mechanic

[woven pelican]

It's possible
ZA is still just a test of new mechanics, however
They're using ZA as a feedback center for the mechanic

[molten oasis]

I hope not I like turn based

[bold geode]

[real prairie]

There is a feasible chance it takes elements from the new game mechanics especially with Champions on its way for Competitive

[real prairie]

Exactly, same way Ubisoft used Watch Dogs as a testing ground for new features for Assassins Creed

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2458399351-344vgw11ikl4fmxhxnn7fltdw0s74hupw

[waxen dock]

Bro insulted you then lost then left without giving you an answer

[stone trellis]

To be entirely fair, I am sick and I haven't slept well.

I definitely wasn't playing at peak form.

And I am demonstrably a horrendous player using a bad team.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2458404450

[waxen dock]

maybe try to play in the smogon circuit this season

since you said you cant play in the official circuit

this time ill play in both circuits

cuz last season i played in neither of them

[stone trellis]

What's that?

[waxen dock]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/other-circuits.473/?prefix_id=708

[stone trellis]

I am NOT playing Reg H.

I don't even play well in the formats I enjoy, now imagine how badly I'd play in a format I despise.

[waxen dock]

i would guess only 1.5 months of the circuit will be reg h

[knotty mirage]

Still tho i will not believe that next gen would release on november next year

After SV fiasco i think i'm confident they would at least let gen 10 to be on the oven a little longer

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2458480919

I finally broke that horrendous losing streak.

[bold geode]

This guy

[versed geyser]

Hello everyone, how are you? Does anyone have Archaludon to exchange?

[stone trellis]

I'm being honest about the fact that I cannot play Reg H without half-assing it.

[jade dust]

Anyone wanna play a few matches?

[solid frigate]

Not in a mood on playing games cuz I am doing my blog rn

[real prairie]

#trading_sv

[real prairie]

Its not competitive but fuck it, I did a thing...

[acoustic ferry]

hey guys. I am just getting back to sv. finished the game earlier this year want to get into competitive. any tips? last comp i played was in bdsp

[next stump]

Hello 🙂 are you interesting in playing single or double battles?

[ebon pivot]

this is stupid but what if I ran a grass pelt gogoat and paired it with rillaboom in reg H?

an assault vest gogoat

[tiny karma]

Ability: Grass Pelt

If Grassy Terrain is active, this Pokemon's Defense is multiplied by 1.5.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[next stump]

does it get body press

[ebon pivot]

no

[tiny karma]

Gogoat's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Bounce, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Dig, Double-Edge, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Frustration, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, High Horsepower, Horn Leech, Iron Tail, Leaf Blade, Payback, Play Rough, Razor Leaf, Retaliate, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rollout, Secret Power, Seed Bomb, Stomping Tantrum, Strength, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, Vine Whip, Wild Charge, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Round, Snore, Solar Beam, Surf, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Bulk Up, Confide, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Growth, Helping Hand, Leech Seed, Milk Drink, Nature Power, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Synthesis, Tail Whip, Toxic, Work Up, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Gogoat.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[ebon pivot]

I dont think

it gets horn leech tho

[next stump]

It could be a funny idea to try but I doubt it will work at all

one single Gholdengo and your day is ruined

[ebon pivot]

earthquake could save me

[next stump]

you’re weakening it with terrain

[bold geode]

Earthquake gets weakened in terrain

[ebon pivot]

it does?

[bold geode]

Yes

[tiny karma]

Move: Grassy Terrain

For 5 turns, the terrain becomes Grassy Terrain. During the effect, the power of Grass-type attacks used by grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 1.3, the power of Bulldoze, Earthquake, and Magnitude used against grounded Pokemon is multiplied by 0.5, and grounded Pokemon have 1/16 of their maximum HP, rounded down, restored at the end of each turn, including the last turn. Camouflage transforms the user into a Grass type, Nature Power becomes Energy Ball, and Secret Power has a 30% chance to cause sleep. Fails if the current terrain is Grassy Terrain.

Type

Grass

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[ebon pivot]

does that happen to all ground type moves

[bold geode]

Earthquake and Bulldoze get weakened by I believe 50% in Grassy Terrain

Stomping Tantrum is fine though

[ebon pivot]

oh alr

I dont have any moves that could fail so ima run high horsepower

should I run rock slide or something else

my current set has brick break, horn leech, high horsepower, and rockslide

[knotty briar]

Damn, the Terastal Crescendo matches really don't last more than 2 turns

[zinc edge]

So whats everyones rating for terrastal crescendo rn

[rustic mountain]

not playing so nothing

[zinc edge]

I'm currently no.107

[waxen dock]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2458821645-xobui4vhxqgmbk281gq7i3wu9168f4lpw

[stone trellis]

I know they're currently 300 points above me, but they misused the GOAT so hard.

Also, I could just smell it was AV Mirai from a mile away.

[cyan smelt]

Man it's much easier to sweep in randbats

[stone trellis]

I love hopping on random battles once in a while.

I somehow always lose when I have a restricted on my team.

[cyan smelt]

It was fun, just before I swept with ogerpon and then dodrio

[stone trellis]

GYARADOS SWEEP LET'S FUCKING GO
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randombattle-2458865114

I thought Floatzel would either outspeed or use Aqua Jet.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randombattle-2458868213

[solid frigate]

Yeah randbats are just stuff that you can learn from it

[waxen dock]

I dont like ranbats

[stone trellis]

Do people like to run Modest or Timid for Miraidon right now?

[solid frigate]

Depends on the item

[strange juniper]

https://x.com/gaminggen/status/1976447582902820987?s=46&t=Bs6BphUX-X58lv64rCVvMQ

GG @ Milwaukee Pokémon Regional Championships (@GamingGen)

Hey Trainers! Due to logistical errors beyond our control
Competitor playmats for this event will be players choice from our available options. We will have limited quantities so these playmats are first come first serve.

We apologize for any inconvenience!

X · Oct 10, 2025, 12:39 AM

[empty saddle]

anyone able to see randbats ladders?

none loading for me

[stone trellis]

69.4% for Modest
29.98% for Timid
Yeah, I think Modest is more common overall.

That sucks.

[waxen dock]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smogon-vgc-circuit-2025-2026.3772280/ that is the smogon circuit for the person who asked

[hoary storm]

How does a max speed koraidon not go first over an annihilape’s final gambit?

[steady vigil]

probably choice scarfed

[real prairie]

^^^

It's the most common final gambit ape set

[hoary storm]

I forgot that did a speed increase

[stone trellis]

@solid frigate So that's why Coaching CIR's an auto loss.

[solid frigate]

well not auto loss

its more like with Kyogre its a auto Loss cuz i can't bring Ho-Oh safely without burn my tera

[upper zealot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reghbo3-2458484565 i got shit on by mdb, but on the bright side, this is great material for me to review

[solid frigate]

probably not MDB i think

[upper zealot]

he has a custom avatar and mdb in his name

[solid frigate]

the player left before the Bo3 Ending is so not MDB

[upper zealot]

and this was g1 only

[solid frigate]

also a lot of VGC players use other nicknames to hide their games

[upper zealot]

i mean there’s no point in hiding your name with a ca

cause its either from a teamtour or its personal which makes it even easier to find

[solid frigate]

then whats your elo?

usually these players had high elos

[upper zealot]

like 1200 range at that time

he was on a new acc i checked his games

[solid frigate]

i am confused on why is he using Kommo-o

[foggy lodge]

Its MDB

That avatar is the same one he uses on his other account

[solid frigate]

got confirmed by other server

[dense latch]

he is

i've been on his stream, that's the alt name he used

sorry didnt see the other messages lmao

[solid frigate]

i don't need another confirmation but thanks

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[upper zealot]

he’s cooking

[dense latch]

he's doing a vgc nuzlocke of sorts and he's lost a few mons already, kommo-o worked with the stuff he had

[solid frigate]

heard my friend is also doing this

[upper zealot]

sounds pretty fun, rip clefairy and rilla

[dense latch]

it's a bit different than if you a mon faints you lose it

[stone trellis]

What is a VGC nuzlocke?

[dense latch]

if he loses a set he loses one or two random mons i cant remember exactly

[dense latch]

i could pull up the rules he's using if u wanna know

[stone trellis]

Sure.

[dense latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15llyIc2H3z1sCyj0LE-8ulvc8EcnVgqa-4pmZF39ARo/edit?tab=t.0

[stone trellis]

I'd do that if I could participate in regionals.

[foggy lodge]

Oh lmao

[dense latch]

the regionals are only there to decide usage/catch rates you can do everything on showdown

[foggy lodge]

I made a Kommo-O team a month ago and had 5/6 mons of his team on mine

I felt like I was onto something LMAO

[dense latch]

what was different

clef?

[foggy lodge]

Harc

I had Bloodmoon over Harc

[dense latch]

o ok

honestly based on what i saw from his stream the team looks rly fun

[zinc edge]

Is anyone doing the terrastal thing

[solid frigate]

It fucking sucks

[zinc edge]

I'm doing great lol 😆

I'm top 100 in the world

[lofty tartan]

Not 100% sure for Terastal event but most online events are Region-locked.

And this event's format is hot garbage.

Likely to be much less players, and it's less skill expression, more roulette. Bring 2 mons and get hard countered and auto-lose. Fun

[foggy lodge]

Tomorrow Milwaukee!!!

https://fxtwitter.com/playpokemon/status/1976694770090094866

Play! Pokémon (@playpokemon)

Check out a few players to keep an eye out for who are taking part in the competition this weekend! Who are you rooting for to win it all in Milwaukee? 👀

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FxTwitter · Oct 10, 2025, 5:02 PM

[bold geode]

You see that they're basically answering to Pittsburgh wait times by telling players to start coming in at 6:30 AM

[rustic mountain]

why not make the reward for it shiny mirai and korai instead of doin the insanely stupid and outdated code distribution method with somehow limited codes

but no have minimal participation and a frustrated fanbase, seems like gfs m.o

[lofty tartan]

Stop making sense. They hate it when you make sense.

I know it's a me problem, but code distributions like this are also hell for families. Trying to take my kid, or god forbid my wife, to get codes? Unthinkable. Horrible. No.

Making the rewards shiny bikes would just make sense to get people actually interested in this terrible idea for a format.

[waxen dock]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2459465062 this person was very salty for a crit that didnt matter

[cyan smelt]

They crit you too lol

[waxen dock]

Wait you are right

But that crit actually mattered

Nvm it didnt

[stone trellis]

If a Zamazenta uses a Body Press while at -1 Defense and it crits, will it ignore the Defense drop?

[crystal crypt]

Not too sure if this is the place to ask or not but I’m looking to start battling some Pokémon and ludicolo is one I’m struggling to decide where to allocate its ev’s since it’s swift swim i don’t think it needs speed investment but every yt video and set I see has it fully speed invested, was wondering if going for max hp investment would be better instead of speed ?

[stone trellis]

Is there any specific attack that it could live with max HP and not without?

[crystal crypt]

Not too sure I’m very new to Pokémon battling

[real prairie]

I believe so

[real prairie]

Well hello

What regulation are you playing in, I have LOTS of Ludicolo sets 😊

[crystal crypt]

Sorry to disappoint but I have no idea what regulations are

[real prairie]

Okay so let's start there.

Where are you playing and what format? Singles? Doubles?

[crystal crypt]

Singles

[real prairie]

For a play through? On a ladder?

[crystal crypt]

Ladder

[real prairie]

On the game cart?

[crystal crypt]

Yep

[real prairie]

Okay, well I usually invest 236 timid as that will outspeed a swift swim boosted Basculegion

Not sure what the cart singles ladders biggest speed threats are, I'd assume loaded dice Dnite is still a threat. That will outspeed even after 2x scale shot boosts

[crystal crypt]

Sweet so 236 speed timid I’ll go for that

Then the rest for hp I suppose

[solid valley]

Ive been thinking of making a decent/ fast support pokemon with Dragon cheer and tailwind. However I have no succes finding one.

Anyone any idea who could fit this idea?

[real prairie]

I usually max out SpAtk, but you can calc for things you need to survive and then dump what's left over in SpAtk

[real prairie]

Hydreigon

[cyan smelt]

noivern

[solid valley]

Is there a website that you use to test out ideas?

Like put moves together and see which pokemon have acces to it?

[real prairie]

Play.pokemonshowdown.com

[solid valley]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

drahsin has given 1 Gen Rep to averagejack_yt

[stone trellis]

Well, at least there's a new-ish joke in the Pokemon community, even if it's hella unfunny.

[stone trellis]

Oh well, I think Tickle will probably still be funny to use.

Like oh, you thought Lorb Koraidon was getting an OHKO into Ice Rider?

[real prairie]

i did consider tickle Ludicolo for a little while haha

[stone trellis]

I was asking because of Whimsicott.

[real prairie]

surely fake tears and murder whatever it is in front of you is better? lol

[stone trellis]

That only works if I'm using Miraidon.

But crippling physical attackers AND making everyone more susceptible to Ice Rider is much more useful overall.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2459554042-x1dv54sx8i38x4xvjpekc71n4uyqqy6pw

He wants a rematch.

How can he adapt to my original lead?

And how can I respond?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2459557237-xb2uhpc2kjncppy3mysw2b624wwyfiepw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2459555601-du0t5pvug3xbi3lvdifr6vx1880nu26pw

Did I cook?

[waxen dock]

I think yes

[bold geode]

CHAT IT'S TIME FOR THE MILWAUKEE REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

It's a good day

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man3-tobey-maguire-im-gonna-put-some-dirt-in-your-eye-raimi-symbiote-gif-22229679

[lofty tartan]

I don't recognize the authority of pipe bombs.

[bold geode]

"The authority of pipe bombs"

The pipe bomb is not my dad

[lofty tartan]

Not mine, either.

Who's dad is it?

Good lord. Now my sleep schedule is fully corrected and I'm awake at normal-human hours all the time.

https://tenor.com/view/sun-the-office-shut-up-gif-19330811

Had interviews all week, fixing the payroll issues my predecessors caused, fixing the myriad other issues as well. Been a friggen busy week.

[bold geode]

Brother isn't a night creature anymore

[lofty tartan]

I'm not. It's weird. 😐

But it has uses.

[bold geode]

Wonder who will win this regional

[summer shore]

Monke as a creature of the night call em moonke

[bold geode]

THE MOON

[lofty tartan]

Monke isn't a creature of the night either.

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-rivals-moon-knight-marc-specter-cresent-moon-cape-full-moon-gif-4102617070509549025

[summer shore]

I hope they lean into the new moon concept for the mega

That would be cool

[bold geode]

Which mega

[summer shore]

The new moon

[lofty tartan]

[bold geode]

You have confused me Shiro

[lofty tartan]

Don't worry, it's not just you this time.

[bold geode]

I am confusion

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-monke-monkey-burn-gif-1919998833619020205

[bold geode]

This is not R Kansas

[summer shore]

You know how cresselia is the full moon

Mr dark void is the new moon

[bold geode]

Yes

OH

[summer shore]

Little known fact

[bold geode]

I get it now

[lofty tartan]

I lived in Kansas, and Kansans unironically call Arkansas "AR Kansas"

They claim Arkansas stole the name and they're the only real one.

[bold geode]

Really? That's funny

[lofty tartan]

Yeah not even joking.

[bold geode]

Well Mika
You're not in Kansas anymore

[lofty tartan]

No, I am not. I was in Kansas like 20 years ago. Lol

[bold geode]

Did you murder the good witch

[lofty tartan]

It was part of me traveling the country randomly for awhile. Transient life is kinda cool.

No. I did not. lol

[summer shore]

It was such a shock to find out hatterene was a lil alien

[bold geode]

She's a little alien?

[summer shore]

Pokemon really got some good design teams then just produce goddamn bruxish

[bold geode]

[summer shore]

Yea the dress aint even a dress

[bold geode]

Real

Phone screenshot time

Incineroar and Gholdengo tied for most used

[summer shore]

Is the current format no restricteds

Funky

[foggy lodge]

Yes

No legendaries/paradox

[summer shore]

Oh no paradox is kinda lame

[foggy lodge]

It is

[summer shore]

But also interesting i suppose

[foggy lodge]

Flutter Mane would solve this format

[bold geode]

Went back to Regulation H

[summer shore]

Sneasler usage is kinda crazy to me

What does it do for you guys

[lofty tartan]

Kills stuff.

[bold geode]

One of the few Fighting types we have with a base Atk of Urshifu
Acrobatics with Unburden is nice
But most importantly
Dire Claw gambling goes crazy

[summer shore]

I figured it was the fishing

Surprised its not having issues with bulk

[lofty tartan]

Dire Claw gambling is a side effect, but it's much more potent as a strong Poison move for the fairies in the format.

[bold geode]

I mean it hits hard so like

[summer shore]

Grassy seed?

[lofty tartan]

Grassy/Psychic/Focus Sash

[bold geode]

Yeah
Grassy
Psychic
Sash

[summer shore]

Mm yeah larping as prime ou sneasler

[bold geode]

But yeah it hits hard and you get the fishing as a neat bonus

[lofty tartan]

Yeah, it's mostly the combination of Poison/Fighting/Dark or Flying moves. Great coverage, outspeeds most everything with Unburden.

[bold geode]

Oh
Also I forgot about Coaching sets with Dragonite

[lofty tartan]

That too

[summer shore]

Dragonite might really be one of the ones tho no hazards must make it so easy

[lofty tartan]

Coaching sets with most of the big physical bad boys. I like Coaching with Bax too

[bold geode]

Scale Shot Dnite with utility goes hard

[lofty tartan]

Even Coaching next to Rilla can be really dangerous

[summer shore]

Dice?

[bold geode]

Like people will literally run like
Scale Shot/TW/Haze/Protect

Ye Dice

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Dnite uses Dice now.

[summer shore]

Oh thats foul stay away

Wait thats tailwind right

[bold geode]

Yeah
Uses Multiscale too

[lofty tartan]

Scale Shot/Haze/TW is a meaty set.

[bold geode]

Ye Tailwind

[summer shore]

Ok not bad then

Thoguht twave for a sec

[bold geode]

LMAO

[summer shore]

Then remembered its not larping as a clef

[bold geode]

That might be disgusting LOL

[lofty tartan]

I Twaved Monke's mom.

It was unfortunate.

[bold geode]

Wow ok

[summer shore]

Hm inner focus fell off? I would assume its solid in vgc

[lofty tartan]

She's now half speed and randomly can't move.

[summer shore]

It gets inner focus right

[foggy lodge]

This format is not so offensive so multiscale is usually more valuable

[lofty tartan]

Inner Focus is solid, yeah, but the Multiscale set has been pushing harder.

[summer shore]

Multiscale is the only relevant ability for ou so i forgot its other abilities

[lofty tartan]

You fear Intimidate far less with Haze.

[summer shore]

I see less need for immediate tempo

[bold geode]

Ye but extra survivability

[foggy lodge]

Do we think Wolfey wins

Someone on Pokealex's stream said they found a really high account on ladder with perish sun

[bold geode]

Oh no

[foggy lodge]

I don't even know how you can make it work with sun lol

[lofty tartan]

There's a lot of teams that do go for immediate tempo. But it's also easier to slow down the games without Paradoxes/Legends running around.

No Urshifu to play around.

[summer shore]

I was just curious with fake out relevant in the format

[foggy lodge]

I think Volcarona has to pop off now

[lofty tartan]

Yeah you just protect the FO

Volc is the unsung hero we all need.

[foggy lodge]

Volcarona cooks the Frankfurt team

[bold geode]

Yeah you just Protect

I mean a select few still run Inner Focus Choice Band but like
Yeah

[summer shore]

Right i forgot that move is on mons not named gliscor

[bold geode]

Yup

[lofty tartan]

Gliscor, my beloved.

Honestly has somewhat of a place in a niche way.

Sneasler hates this one simple trick.

[bold geode]

Meh

[foggy lodge]

Remember when they tried to make Gliscor work because it checks Sneasler

[lofty tartan]

Remember when I was playing Gliscor seriously because it checks Sneasler?

[summer shore]

Is sneasler not on sd for you guys

[lofty tartan]

Not always.

Honestly Sneasler is infrequently SD

[summer shore]

Fair fair

[lofty tartan]

But it does happen.

[foggy lodge]

The most popular team rn runs swords dance sneasler

Its acrobatics close combat swords dance

ARCHALUDON WITHOUT ELECTRO SHOT

[lofty tartan]

Swords Dance is still 7.636% usage on Sneasler.

[summer shore]

Like i feel sneasler can just click tera ghost or fly and dump on glisc

[bold geode]

Most popular is SD Acro set but the common one before that and probably decently common is Dire Claw CC + 2

[bold geode]

No way

[foggy lodge]

Paul Chua's team is Shiliang's team

[bold geode]

Is this the Churchaludon

[lofty tartan]

These, with SD after Acro.

[foggy lodge]

Who is the one not running close combat on sneasler

Huh

[lofty tartan]

At Pittsburgh I saw a grand total of 0 SD Sneasler sets.

[bold geode]

?

[lofty tartan]

But I saw Sneasler in about 90% of games.

[bold geode]

It was on stream quite a bit

[foggy lodge]

Christopher is playing Zeen's team

W tera fire blursa

[lofty tartan]

Yeah stream games show you a snippet, but not a large scale picture of things.

[summer shore]

Oh protect again i see

[lofty tartan]

The majority of players are not running SD Sneasler. But some are absolutely running it.

I just have honestly played against none of them.

[summer shore]

I forgot half of vgc mons have 3 moveslots

[bold geode]

Protect way better here

[lofty tartan]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

Oh its lorb ursa

[lofty tartan]

I don't really groove with no Protect Sneas.

[summer shore]

Protect is so lame bro

[lofty tartan]

Too much of a glass cannon

[summer shore]

Hate that move even in ou

[bold geode]

The one based set

[lofty tartan]

I do like AV Blursa

[summer shore]

Also what is the blood moon check for vgc

[bold geode]

AV Blursa damage makes me sad

[lofty tartan]

Sneasler hurts it in the right spot

[summer shore]

2 pokemon being out?

[lofty tartan]

Basculegion tears Ursa in half

Most special attackers will shut him down if he's not AV

[bold geode]

AV mons, things that can hit it hard before it moves like Basc or Sneasler
Corviknight is a thorn but that's not too common

[lofty tartan]

OH YEAH Corviknight really rains on Blursa's day

[foggy lodge]

Crit lol

[summer shore]

Shorter game length prolly the worst for it i suppose

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Now some Blursas run leftovers lol

[lofty tartan]

Hyper Voice helps Ursa climb out of the 2-mon hole.

[bold geode]

Actually especially for the Life Orb sets, BM Ursa kinda just wants to sweep

[lofty tartan]

Yeah just Blood Moon the poor Amoonguss

[summer shore]

We had cm ursa be a little bit of a problem

[lofty tartan]

That's funny

[bold geode]

But yeah unless you're running the Yawn Lefties set, you just go like BM/Hyper Voice/Earth Power and like depending on what set you're either running Protect or Vacuum Wave

[bold geode]

Justin Tang lost twice in the GC to Substitute Ursaluna Blood Moon

[lofty tartan]

Yeah and Vacuum Wave is more for the priority and coverage and less for the damage. Just a way to KO something that held on.

[bold geode]

Nah Mika y'know what's funny

[lofty tartan]

Hm?

[summer shore]

Has anyone tried making hisui samu work

[bold geode]

Justin Tang was like
12 shots deep into a drinking game when it happened

[summer shore]

I swear spikes will have good value

[lofty tartan]

Yes. It did not go well.

[summer shore]

Aw man

[lofty tartan]

Spikes just never work out in VGC

[bold geode]

Yeah, it was still kinda mid sadly

[foggy lodge]

Edu Cunha used it in early meta

[summer shore]

No but like its spikes with a bonus

[bold geode]

Was a good partner to resist Dengo but like
The stats and stuff are just too awkward

[foggy lodge]

Made top 8 at a regional and then it dissapeared

[lofty tartan]

252+ Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 236 HP / 12 Def Samurott-Hisui: 266-314 (136.4 - 161%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This doesn't help HSamurott

[foggy lodge]

It has some interesting tools but

Idk it ends up being kinda mid

[summer shore]

Thank god for bans we dont have that demonspawn running around anymore

[bold geode]

Oh Shiro don't forget
Incineroar good in VGC

[lofty tartan]

I play this pokemon mmo sometimes called Pokemon Revolution Online -- they just banned Dire Claw in competitive, and they're evaluating whether Sneasler himself needs a ban.

It's all singles play in their comp, so Sneasler is a menace