#competitive_discussion
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yeah
Did it have an AV Hamurott?
nope but it had scyther and tera flying acro sneasler
prolly last year.
This was coaching fake out Sneasler
Bro you know how little that means
pokemon come n go on usage.
I don't have the exact formats memorized on which pokemon were meta and when.
I don't really know what we're arguing here if I'm being real
I don't know if it was super meta at any point in Reg H though
super meta? No don't think so. I just know some people used it to counter stronger threats. especially in reg I against CSR
too much oil, there was no pan so you just burnt your house congratulations
i'm not feeling slaking
I have swapped the Pult for Dnite
what is the thing you're trying to make work
so i dont just suggest deleting it
slaking?
Well I mean Slaking is just a strong dude
That's a big part of him
He OHKO's no invest Dnite
I'm really not feeling Indeedee though
The idea was for MausApe but man it's not working with the team
how are you using it? do you have any clips/replays of it?
I have played 3 games with the team no I don't have any replays
Mausape is fun, but a lot of people quickly try to get rid of the Maushold so the Ape can't power up it's Rage Fist.
Yeah except I can't get rid of it quickly
oh, you're countering the Mausape?
How am I supposed to use Mausape with the mouse or the ape
your wording of this confuses me. once you said "except I can't get rid of it quickly:
Yeah Indeedee
My plan was Psyspam into MausApe
Especially since they wouldn't have friend guard up with Gweezing being around
I just switch it in turn 2
I guess technically turn 1
so to be clear, you're not using Mausape, your plan is to DEFEAT Mausape, correct?
Yes
Ability shield
okay we cooking with a recipe I never tried before.
Hydrapple blast !
hell yeah
This most likely mattered in me winning
You’re playing Hydrapple?
Trying it out
Nice
The entire team is a bit of a mess as of right now so might as well
That’s valid
Nah cause how did I forgot that Gweezing stopped guts
since kingdra is pretty slow maybe i try tr and set up dragon cheer with hydrapple
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Win:
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Loss again, rip:
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What’s the most underrated pokemon in yalls opinion
I would say don't take slaking into ghost types lol
What’s some sleeper picks
Guys the Farig OHKO was a roll 😔
I just need a special attacker with a spread move that hits Ape before and after tera fire
primarina?
It really needs its ability is the problem
And the whole point of Weezing is that it gets rid of friend guard
So spread moves go back to deal real damage
what happened
2 turn 1 scale shot misses into MausApe
how about blastoise
I was legit thinking him but man he is hot dog water
Screw it
My goat rises once more
Me trying to make something out of Skeledirge.
but there's so many better fire and ghost type users sadly.
tbh. I question why stamping tantrum on the dragonite?
If I have to use Blastoise to prevent my team from looking like this so be it
Hits Gholdengo
out of those, the staples of a rain team for this game consists of the Pelipper, Archaludon, Basculegion, and Amoonguss, the last 2 slots can be swapped for preferences tbh.
you literally said you don't wanna copy the team.
No duh
okay so im saying the sneasler and indeedee can be swapped.
I am not using that team bromaggedon
Or any variant of that team
I was saying that I just don't want my teams to look like every other team this reg
I was really not looking for a response
Blastoise got top 8 at the GC I think lol
GC 🥀
I got white herb muddy water
Tf is that set
Shell smash is on there as well
Does it even have enough speed?
After a smash
Water
Torrent, Rain Dish (Hidden)
79/83/100/85/105/78
530
Blastoise-Mega
Specs might be better
Oh so the same speed as Basculegion
I think my favourite part about Weezing is no weather to deal with
Oh for sure
The problem with shell smash is haze dnite
Dude that Dnite is blowing up
With Weez it has no multiscale
And all these greedy sets with absolutely zero bulk are getting punished
I do think specs is better for me though
I have tailwind Dnite
Also do I run adamant Slaking?
252 Atk Life Orb Slaking Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 164-192 (98.7 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Slaking Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 177-211 (106.6 - 127.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This is the only calc I'm thinking of when I say that
Oh wait I'm lying
252 Atk Life Orb Slaking High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 179-213 (88.6 - 105.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Slaking High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 198-234 (98 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
Also this one
I think the Dnite calc is like uber important
Tbh there's basically no difference between those two incin calcs because no one runs 0 def
Ok so then the Dnite calc
Hmmm try to see how much damage you do into the bulky dnites
Let me search Joey's spread
Dragonite @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 132 HP / 204 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Scale Shot
- Extreme Speed
- Ice Spinner
- Protect
252+ Atk Life Orb Slaking Double-Edge vs. 132 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 177-211 (96.7 - 115.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
btw
Rillaboom used Fake Out!
(The opposing Volcarona lost 19% of its health!)
[The opposing Volcarona's Flame Body]
Rillaboom was burned!
The opposing Volcarona flinched and couldn't move!
Kingambit used Kowtow Cleave!
A critical hit!
(The opposing Volcarona lost 81% of its health!)
[The opposing Volcarona's Flame Body]
Kingambit was burned!
The opposing Volcarona fainted!
Deserved crit
Man how do you stop MausApe from having fun
Like literally if I can figure that out I can make this team work
Your own follow me
But Ape just screws me so badly
Unless they have taunt Maushold you are safe
Follow me isn't bad but like
Also Indeedee Sneasler cooks those two
Expanding force in general
I run a 2-2-2 with Dozo
Espathra!
I will become a degen
Yeah that's the problem
Nah 2-2-2 isn't even that popular right now
If they don't have taunt you are fine cuz you just redirect everything and out set up them
If they do you have to pray to get the 50/50s right
So like I'm getting shamed right now
Gross
But at least it's not sneasler !
Slap encore disable A9
What's the body press dozo set?
Like move wise
Order up
Body press
Liquid?
Protect
I don't regret what I've made but I am worried
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Eww
But can we at least admit it is the lesser evil
Cause like
DUG + MausApe is cancer
And at least you aren't seeing Weezing everywhere
Spices it up a little bit
I'm gonna go back to my greninja ape team
What's dug again I keep forgetting
Like Dozo is a boss battle I'll agree there but MausApe is a double boss fight where it heals
Dnite, Blursa, Dengo
Just found out greninja learns blizzard, that gives it better synergy with ninetales
Mausape is kinda the worst that’s fair
And now it's a fire type and can't be burnt
the tools are only as effective as the wielder

also dozo is way more un based then mausape
I mean both are Unbased but at least dozo’s counterplay is easier than Ape’s
its less the counterplay and more braindead omniboost that makes it more unbased
yeah
anyways
kinda didnt do too much playtesting for the format after GC
2 crits is wild
The bees are inside
Same set I was frozen for 9 turns in a row
Whenever I use dozo I swear my luck is worse
Maybe that’s due to more turns in the games though
Karma
Dog I don’t deserve this 😭
With the amount of haze Dnite around I’m actually at a disadvantage
You gotta believe me man
And hey, at least it’s not Sneasler Indeedee or MausApe
Those are the 2 plagues of Reg H that I will not touch
so how badly we thinking they gonna fuck up mega delphox’s stats
Mega Gengar part 2
Reg a was similar with murkrow
It didn’t change that people hated dozo, including myself
I’d rather play a Dozo than MausApe any day
MausApe honestly feels so unbeatable sometimes
I can understand the Dozo being unbeatable sometimes too but so many mons learn haze
And he can be faked out and resisted
Ape can’t be faked out or resisted, it’s pretty stupid
Like my whole team needs to be worked around MausApe
Dozo just gets shafted by a lot more
Not saying he’s not also stupid and broken but at least you can damage him
Let’s see what did reg a bring that the community generally hates, dozo, mausape, and arma psyspam
Thx gen 9 reg a
Ok Drago I need your opinion
You’re going to help the evil for a second here
I’m running body press Dozo and I can’t think of a last move
Order up
Body press
Protect
Can’t decide on the last move
There’s a lot of good ones
Yawn maybe
Could always just run liquidation
Dragon/fighting gets beat by a lot
Like just body press order up
Why no wave crash?
I feel like I’m more going for a pseudo stall
And wave crash loses me a lot of health
See that’s where the pseudo stall part comes in
I still need to hit Dengo
Cause he’s a huge nuisance
But I think there’s too many grassy seed guys running around for EQ to be any good
Liquidation then ig
And I feel like Tera fighting might be greedy
you should go covert cloak dozo so you don't have to worry about fake out or stat drops from moves
lefties can be a bit passive, forces you to rely on protect a bit more, and that can be encored
It’s true
But also Dozo is a fat fish
That boy loves protecting and stalling stuff
true
If I went with a cloak variant I’d probably run a more offensive set
Which might be the play but he’s also my Ape answer so who knows
Actually wait
If I just run EQ he can blow through a Tera fire ape
I’ll work on it tomorrow I guess
Fissure Yawn Liquidation Protect 
Nah I got another tiny fish helping him
Does Tera steel specs Dengo 2HKO other Dengo?
With make it rain I mean
The answer is that it can
If they are no invest
Might need to run modest
I almost always put power over speed.
I mean I’m using Murkrow anyway so it’s not like I’m not going to be under tailwind
I also can’t decide what to run on GWeezing
I really liked sludge bomb but taunt has been very useful for trick room
isn't it usually fairy move, will o wisp, utility move and protect
toxic spikes wouldn't be too useful because of all the sneaslers and amoongusses around
Yeah nah I ain’t doing real stall
But yeah sludge bomb is really nice for stuff like Whimsicott and Tera fairy Dnite
But when thinking about those mons it’s like
Taunt them or wisp them
Now they don’t do anything
I’m also rethinking my Tera type cause Tera dark just doesn’t cook as hard as I wanted it to
tera flying? if you're running EQ on dozo it might be nice to be immune to it
I don’t think I would ever click naked Dozo EQ
Tera flying is a common one though I’ll agree on that
Was thinking more something for Gholdengo cause that MU is a bit rough
So just something for steel I guess
Nothing resists steel and flying besides the electric huh
Wait why do I care about flying
steel resists steel too
Yeah but then I’m still weak to ground which I might just have to deal with
Water doesn’t seem horrible
Especially since Rillaboom is less of a threat without terrain
This is another case to be adamant slaking
More consistent Rilla kills
I think this team might have potential
Water resists steel I was about to say
Or I’m just coping cause I’m using Weezing Slaking
The only type that resists steel and isn’t weak to ground
Fun fact
I also might look into giving Weezing some speed invest
I’m not exactly sure how much though
Might steal an old Reg G Maya Weezing set
It’ll be like uncovering ancient history
chat i got lauma and her mirror
oh yeah conner if you're using weezing you should definitely try and fit pawmot in there somewhere
Ah yes, Garchomp food.
it can revive dozo
Unless it switches into a double up and dies before it can use Revival Blessing.
And hey, only Dondozo can be revived.
if tatsu is still alive you're golden
252 Atk Life Orb Tera Ground Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tatsugiri: 166-198 (115.2 - 137.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Alive how?
Oh yeah, Sash.
But then Pawmot dies to EQ anyway.
isn't sash usually on pawmot in those dozo pawmot teams
So yeah, Tatsugiri has no way to survive once Dondozo's out.
scarf draco?
Dozo dittos are funny when one person has Weezing
Tatsu on tatsu crime
Their dozo was also on the field
oh yeah with weezing on the field commander doesn't activate right
Yup
It honestly is
You get to play your own little game and every one has to adjust to it
just need to watch out for the sturdy power herb archs
they can protect while peli sets up tw
252+ SpA Tatsugiri Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Ground Garchomp: 130-154 (71 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
It's only a roll after two turns of Lorb recoil.
So if the Garchomp just entered the field, Tatsu's fucked.
well the dozo pawmot teams i've seen also have corviknight i think and garchomp can't do anything to corv
Every day, I wake up and I praise the Lord for giving me the idea to add Chomp to my Typhlosion sun team.
Holy ladder is toxic at night
This is before I started yapping back so I'll leave it at this point
why didn't you protect and wait for the sp atk drop
It was game 3 there was some good mind games happening
cuz i dont know really what happend ib battle
Why? It's just a salty ladder player
I got lucky they got lucky but I prevailed
cuz i dont understand what happend ib the battle
i should play bo3 again but i don't have a good team, maybe i should just use the mamoswine team
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I won't defend my actions in there I acted immaturely and I know it
eh at least you don't get repeatedly locked like i do
i think you would have still won without all hose luck parts
They tilted I pushed them and I think it's funny
he got a few crits
And that does mean I'm a bad person but I can live with that
geez even with that feather dance that high horsepower did a frightening amount of damage
cuz his ghold is probably fast thather than bulky
bulky tera water gholdengo is prolly better than fast gholdengo
Well just lost to double muddy water miss + freeze so I guess every thing is balanced in the world again
Oh my days
Crazy end game just happened
Tatsu vs. Amoonguss
The only move they can click is clear smog 😭
Attacking move that is
Ok the fact that adamant Slaking still outspeeds things like Ghold, Incin, Rilla, Bascu is enough for me
what do you do against chomp
is swagger own tempo mudsdale good ina trickroom team
What is the best Tera type for Walking Wake?
wasn't it just water
probably water or fire
Water makes sense.
water offensively fire defensively
usually you're pairing it with enough rillaboom deterrents
Ice Rider + Walking Wake makes Rilla sweat.
I might start using weezing just because I can't think of any good team ideas
But it makes koraidon smile
yes
thanks x
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How?
Just out speed with flare blitz
The defensive Tera on my Ice Rider:
The Speed-boosted Walking Wake about to rip a fat-ass Draco:
Even with a defensive tera ice rider is bro really surviving a neutral damage flare blitz from koraidon
Yes, it is.
Damn
It's goddamn Calyrex Ice Rider, the thing has more base Defense than Groudon or Zamazenta.
Psychic/Ice
As One (Glastrier)
100/165/150/85/130/50
680
Calyrex
oh
WOAH
That’s insane
You people didn't know...?
Why do you think Life Orb Korai was considered so strong?
I already knew just wanted to add the WOAH
Yeah.
Icy is likely the bulkiest restricted legendary, Zamazenta only beats it via Dauntless Shield and a better typing.
I still one shot it with caly S
Do you run Tera Ghost Modest with Life Orb?
Is that even possible
Tera ghost plus indeedee helping hand
I always thought ice rider survives 1 astral barrage
252 SpA Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 176 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 172-204 (83 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
It does.
Helping hand tho
Indeedee my goat
36+ Atk Tera Ice Calyrex-Ice Helping Hand Glacial Lance vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow: 212-250 (120.4 - 142%) -- guaranteed OHKO
This game can be played both ways.
Indeedee follow me
Fair.
Guess Mirai's gotta bully it with Sna-
HOW THE FUCK DID YOU MISS ON THE ONE TURN WHERE THE TERA WAS OFF THE TABLE YOU STUPID FUCKING LIZARD
Indeedee is so stupid and I love it
Bros just built different
I had a 1/11520 chance of just losing the game in two turns.
Guess what happened?
Snarl missed, I got crit twice.
Otherwise, that CSR was getting fried by Tera Dark Snarl.
But no, it just had to fucking miss.
On the one turn where they had no reason to pop a Tera, it just had to fucking miss.
How in the world could I have adapted to that?
Hacking my opponent's device and making them forfeit?
But yeah I had no idea ice rider was so tanky cause I always one shot it if it doesn’t tera 😭
You're using a Helping Hand-boosted super effective move from a Pokemon with base 165 Special Attack who's also popped a Tera on top of its normal Tera, thus also boosting the move by another 33%.
Funniest shit to me is that CSR without Helping Hand does less to Ice Rider than Specs Miraidon can.
Sucks to be you.
Figure out a different way to balance an item which gives you a 50% boost to either your power or Speed that isn't just "Life Orb but with 20% recoil".
Life orb with 25% recoil
How lucky is it to have both your Pokemon wake up turn 1?
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Won me a game the other day
so i entered a reg h with megas limitless tour
I used to be at the high end of the 1400s.
I even had games where I'd enter the 1500s.
Why the fuck am I back to the 1200s again?
a few days ago i was 1670 then next day 1450 now im 1680
Difference is that you're a good player.
I just wanted to play for fun today.
And I lost so many fucking games off of sheer bad luck.
nah ,you're good too
By what definition of the word am I good?
you got good record on gc
Paying hard attention to results never leads to improvement


just sat down, waiting for prof to get here
I can't improve if I never get the chance to do so since my opponent always seems to get a double crit, a 3-turn sleep on one of my Pokemon or a miss of a move right when it was about to guarantee an OHKO.
I somehow managed to drop by 260 points in two days.
Bad luck just happens
It sucks but like usually either there was a play you could've made earlier to avoid having it come down to luck or it's just something that happened
Good rule of thumb I follow is to never blame luck unless every other reason doesn't fit, and if you did lose to luck, oh well
Nothing you can do
It sucks I know, I don't like it either myself, but there's nothing you can do about it so why fixate on it
Also dropping 260 points implies you went on a massive loss streak which means you didn't have any self control and likely tilt queued which is just dumb too
Like if you're losing enough to drop 260 points then either something on your team needs to be reworked or your pacing is just off
I just lost a game to a 10% ice punch freeze and I didn’t thaw out turn 2
I think Volcarona's the weak link.
ice punch from who
Gigas
OH
Yeah.
i bet that hurt even before the freeze 🥶
Normal
Slow Start
110/160/110/80/110/100
670
Has a 10% chance to freeze the target.
Ice
Physical
75
100
15 (24)
Copied by Mirror Move.
Makes contact.
Boosted by Iron Fist.
and its not like ice punch is weak or anything
75 bp isnt crazy or anything but from 160 base attack it should at least do something, right?
Covet, Cut, Facade, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Power-Up Punch, Return, Scratch, Secret Power, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt
Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Ember, Expanding Force, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Heat Wave, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Night Shade, Overheat, Psybeam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Round, Scorching Sands, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast
Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Calm Mind, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Copycat, Double Team, Embargo, Encore, Endure, Helping Hand, Howl, Hypnosis, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Switcheroo, Tail Whip, Telekinesis, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Wish, Wonder Room, Work Up
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yeah :/ it’s getting quite expensive
Yeah it was that cost for Pitt too.
and thats the regional
Whats Internationals are gonna be
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Think of those poor executives
Does wide guard block dark void?
yes

CB Basculegion without rain is pretty weird
I know it has been used in balance comps with scarf or sash but idk I think that still having Whimsicott isn't enough to really let it shine
And makes it very dependant of Whimsicott's tailwind to really work
Not sure tera ghost ursa is the best either
r u just speedrunning the most unbased combos for reg h
the ironic part is as unbased as those guys are they still arent as unbased as dozogiri or weezing/slaking
And that's your opinion
braindead omniboost or braindead ability turn off
I'm just personally extremely bored with Reg H as a whole
I feel like you've told me off for saying these exact things
Cause there's no free wins in mons
i mean two things can still be true, it can lead to wins but also be pretty braindead in what ur doing. specifically for dozo i feel like ive only seen like chuppa and 1 other player seemingly push it to its limits outside just lets see how long i take to switch into the dozo strat and have fun opting into 50/50 mind games before that. the same supposed 50/50s u said u hated facing vs mausape
MausApe isn't a 50/50
like ur right it is my opinion for sure but yea i just dont get the approach i guess
Chuppa just loves being the villain for VGC
Somehow this format feels more rock paper scissory than Reg G did
Didn't he run like the Chansey minimize with Shuckle in sun and moon era
Because there are a lot of archetypes you may have to prep into and you cant really prep for all
I mean you can prep and makes plans for those archetypes
But its impossible to have a 50/50 or near balances MU into most things
i find mausape p easy to beat generally
u basically just cant let maushold stack ape up freely and u dont feed ape rage fists boosts until u can properly handle it
Depends on the tools you have rain is good into it, indeedee sneasler, dengo + redirection
well yea i have rain
Sneasler Rilla is also good into it
How does Dengo beat it
I’m using the Acro set atm
They just tera fire
u gta give urself good tools otherwise common stuff is gna b tough to beat. thats why reg h isnt a true low power format, its too consolidated at the top with what the strong mons are
or do the pengy route and use that scyther team haha
Cause wave crash just kos it and then you leave ape without its redirection and if you force the usual tera fire you just KO them
Man what do you think I've been trying to do 😭
Or also saving Basc for endgame where you have last respects
I'm not making garbage teams on purpose
weezing/slaking just seems meh tbh
ngl I find Dozo to be pretty awkward rn
Every tool but those
Too much Dnite and Amoonguss w clear smog
That team is wild
yea lol
Nah but Dozo is a free win into everything I heard
Mfers really using Weezing?
It worked so well tho, got to watch the championship match and Pengy was piloting it so good
where was that streamed?
Have you not heard how Dozo is the best mon in the entire game you should be shamed for using it?
One sec
I think Garganacl and Sylveon are actually not bad
They seem good
Sylveon cooks Electabuzz Kingambit
I'm sorry but how?
Why feel shame? Imma be better than my opponent so
Go diving bbgirl
Hyper voice spread w throat spray
most unbased doesnt mean cuz its good, its more just a lazy approach to the game to me
And his Sylveon had yawn
What
u werent here for the convo
And the Gambits from those comps just don't run the steel move so Sylveon is not threatened by Gambit
Nah I'm also confused
Catch me up gang
I understand how dozo can be lazy but it's also like
It an opinion its fine
Every team can be lazy if make it seem that way
I find the fissure Dozo or Ting-Lu to also be a lazy approach
No, everyone's opinion is wrong except for mine
Like I understand they can work just that I don't see them in the same view and personally not a correct approach
Ok define lazy here
Rely on the 30% move to fix a MU

swap in for +2 in all notable stats is lazy, thats not an every team approach
VGC players when someone uses the mon designed for double battles 😡
To me that's an easy 1-2 team combo
atleast other boost strats require some sort of set up outside of just pulling the trigger like that
And things like rage fist can't be stopped as easily as dozo
The reason people use Fissure Dozo is cuz it's bulky so it usually gets to click it more than once, idk how that's lazy
Beat up Ape is lazy to me then
And that's why I don't find it correct personally
Just sitting on the field with 0 attack invest?
I just feel like if I used the dice wouldn't roll in my benefit
Are we basically saying "oh hey a strat worked or I have bad luck, it's lazy"
Yes
At this point 100%
Gran final del torneo regional Pokémon de Monterrey VGC Masters!
Alexander Canseco vs Stefan Mott
Found it
-15 credit for comp chat
I'm just defending my team man
I'm taking points off, you're not gonna pass this class with these scores man
I'll admit it's a cancer team but that doesn't mean it's lazy
I don't think a team can truly be "lazy"
Or "brain dead" for that matter
I will say Dozogiri is way more complex than people give it credit for
I understand what Tree is saying, but Fissure Dozo is a different strategy.
Conner, Tree isn't attacking you for your team, he's stating how he views DozoGiri combos.
You don't win games by accident(usually)
yea im not talking about fissure dozo
I am a DozoGiri defender
I've used it, but I agree that DozoGiri is sorta lazy.
I did feel pretty attacked for my team
Man that's a pretty innocuous statement. It's up to you how you feel about it.
Dozogiri broken dozogiri wins dozogiri cool
By the way I am like 90% joking I don't actually care how you guys view me for my teams
I like good stuff
Well I will say this
There are times like when your opponent doesn't have a DozoGiri MU or when people aren't prepping for it that it can be seen that way cuz like
Oh yeah I switch in I get boost I win GG shake my hand
Just thought I should make that clear before anything moves forward
The same can be said about almost everything. Auto-losses exist outside of DozoGiri.
Literally Kingambit in singles
If you don't have an answer for Kingambit, he'll roll over you. Etc etc
But like
Especially RN if you're not considering Dozogiri in your MU spread, you're kinda fuckin stupid imo so like
Especially RN it can be difficult
Which yeah can be said for everything but like
Hell it does take some brainpower sometimes to literally choose to put yourself in a 1v2 situation
also i do think a team can be lazy, if u just throw 6 mons together how is that not lazy? obviously an extreme example but yea my take on dozo/giri is more by design of the mon itself. getting the omniboost is just lame imo i dont respect it and its not like i even lose to it much i just think its boring, uninspired and a terrible way to approach the game
Y'know what guys I agree
Sneasler is lazy
I feel like I just stumbled onto a circlejerk reddit, here. 
Annihilape is beautiful
PELIPPER AND ARCHALUDON TOO, LAZY MFERS
Take that back
It does feel like that
Yeah tbf I'm just not getting this, I think this convo is kind of dumb as hell
Anyways Tree the vid is up there if you wanna watch Monterrey finals
I think you came in late, are making some assumptions and throwing around people being stupid a lot, frankly lol. Tone it down some 
Like hell at this point it damn near seems like we're not saying something is lazy but more like "guys I can't beat this, so it's lazy"
im gna watch inna bit ty
treeco. has given 1 Gen Rep to throwdatahh
What did I walk in on
Is this chaos tho
Idk bro, it's not that I'm calling anyone dumb, I just think this convo is dumb like
Unless I'm just missing the point by miles

It’s been worse
it’s not I’m joking
Like early sv discussions in here were chaotic at times
Dozos approach for the Omni boost is inherently lazy that’s all that’s being said
literally
Yeah
Pretty much we were discussing with a little bit of salt thrown into every message what a "lazy" team is
I don’t exactly disagree with that
I think a mon getting a double omniboost is annoying
ok but tree to get your point more
do you think like throwing 6 balance mons like lets say csr incin rilla blablabla is lazy too
To just put an example
Guys Shadow Rider balance is lazy
🙄
See that's where it gets hazy cause I just don't think a team CAN be lazy
You can play a team lazily
Nah fr idt slapping 6 mons on like that is really lazy
Oh there are definitely lazy approaches to teambuilding, and it usually comes from the inexperienced players just slapping six things onto a team and going full tilt
or just don't build a team and use someone's team
But thats just throw everything out of the question
Cuz like
Sure you can just slap on good stuffs but like
It actually takes some brainpower to pilot those good mons
Is using someone elses team the peak of laziness then?
Lazy teambuilding is with zero consideration to you playing the team. It's just assessing the teambuilding process.
I'm the king of laziness damn
DozoGiri usually devolves into "Which 2-mon combos am I cramming onto this?"
I wouldnt say that lazy either
I remember when 2-2-2 teams were all that were on ladder
And you take 2 2-mon combos because DozoGiri is one of those combos.
Cuz people used other teams to improve
Plus there’s always adjusting a paste from someone else to your own liking
Yeah
I will say though like
I think you can make a lot of good teams RN just by picking a duo to start with
ur framing it differently tho, im not saying picking 6 common mons is lazy im saying dozogiri specifically is lazy in relation to how the mon itself is by design. but also yea u could say thats lazy for teambuilding, doesnt mean its lazy in how you approach ur mus/ability to win games
Ah okay
That's not the point here though lol. It's specific to DozoGiri.
Yeah I know I get it now
It's basically how the duo itself works, that whole relation
and again, dozo/giri can be pushed to not just be braindead style approach as i mentioned b4 but it lends itself moreso to that kind of play generally
And Weezing Slaking is brain dead right?
Fair
so i dont like that hence unbased
Yeah but I will say I can't hate on the laziness too much cuz like
There's been a lot of times where that laziness has gotten results
Like you hedge yourself into playing exclusively 2-mon combo picks. Indeedee/Sneasler, Indeedee/Psyspam Guy, Rilla/Sneasler, MausApe, Weezing/Slaking, Weezing/Regigigas, etc ad nauseum
I personally don't agree that dozogiri is braindead I think it takes more skill to really master it
It comes off as braindead
Like sure it's lazy but if it ain't broke why fix it
But yeah that mons harder to use especially now
Tree. I wholeheartedly empathize with you right now 
So how is it brain dead if it's struggling 😭
hahaha ty
I also think in reg a I see it most as brain dead
You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1758159540:R>.
Reg a dozo was kind of a menace
Tree why you rep farming smh
Stop rep farming bro
rotom hates people being grateful :0
u had to commit more to it for sure but it wasnt too bad
What are the reps even for
Rep farming in my #competitive_discussion ? Cringe
nothing i think
nothing really, just internet points
Meaningless points, really
I have tons of meaningless points from hosting Tera Raids 
I have points from helping people here
Yeah it's just a meaningless server thing, though there's probably some sense of engagement that comes with it
where can i see my meaningless points to pretend they are meaning points
bot commands
i did -rep to see mine
can look at someones rep if ur gna do a trade or something and see if they are generally more engaged and subsequently more trustworthy then someone who isnt
stuff like that
Yeah I can see that
Or for giveaways, people with higher rep are more trustworthy and their mons are verified by server staff
I don't trust any of you mfers for trades /j
lol
Except for Mika
Mika is my bank
Mika got me my dengo I believe
lol
I'm like 6 different peoples' banks, not including my child.
Mika has anything I’ll ever need
24 general rep 🥀
a good chunk of mine are probably from someone replying to some message i sent and it accidentally triggering rep
I have withdrawed from the bank of Mika quite a few times
I'm building six teams for Pittsburgh and only two of those are mine. 

We appreciate you 
Do you need help bro LMAO
General rep 159 not bad
Hey man, I'm fortunate in pokemon, so I spread the love
Mika actually grinds Pokemon, couldn't be me
me wen championns drops and i have to use a team of garbage mons to unlock good ones: 
I will say there was a stretch recently where Mika wasn't around with mons as much so I had to get all my own shit and that was hell 
1573/5/51/50. Lots of internet points.
That would suck
? its all but confirmed we have to
I'm just praising God that my Calyrex was 0IV Atk
Got that shit literally first try
At the start yes
Those times have come and gone, my friendo.
I'm gonna grind Champs like I grind shinies cause I got a lot of Home stuff to port in 😐
I'm dreading moving all of my crap from SV to Home.
Cool, I need five different Incineroar by the end of the night
A lot of my stuff is in SV but I’ll be ready to move it over asap
Don't even get me started on Go. I had to buy more storage, again.
dont forget to claim the ruin legends
I'm still scared about the IVs thing for champions
Chi Yu is close
Damn I have to play the game to get better things this SUCKS /jk
But nothing we can do anyways
I think tomorrow
I need to grab ting Lu
Then next week we can get our shiny bikes
I get koraidon!
I've been loving the shiny Ruin distribution. I have doubles of them all 😄
I bet we revisit reg I or G if we don’t get champions in December
i think itll be w/e the ivs are from wat u transfer in or wat u obtain in the game, i just dont think they wanna mess around w/ changing ivs in the game at will and then the implications of the mons either retaining that or the coding required to revert ivs back upon leaving the game
I have a set in Premier, a set in Luxury, and now two sets of shinies in Cherish.
Shit you're right
I could get two Chien Poo
December has no tournaments
@molten oasis two Chien Poo
I think decembers just a dead month, but we also don’t know when champions comes out
Still gonna have a format change
I have 3 Chien Poo
pls Reg G i need a redemption arc in next year's runs
Watch them be like "Reg J continues on cart, Reg H continues in tournaments"
istg if we have to play reg g or i again
Bro's trafficking Chien Poo
I should probably make an extra account to claim an extra set of the Legends
PLEASE BE REG G PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
can I do it at the start of the game or do I need to beat the game
Y'know what
Gimme Reg I back
I will be the devil's advocate
I didn't see a reason to get more than two sets of shiny Ruins. I have a Scarlet and Violet save 
u have family nso?
im sick of calyrex
I liked Reg I
I don’t know if it’s family
I'm not 
Probably not actually
You played it shut up lol
I believe you get access to Mystery Gifts pretty early on
as soon as u get access to the mystery gift u can claim so no u dont have to beat the game but yea u need family nso to have online on more then 1 account
Oh @rustic mountain I played my government mandated Reg J cart games for the month last night
4-0 with my Reg I team, the format is wack AF
I guess I only get 1 of each, oh well
Yeah after choosing your starter I think
But there's no progression stipulation regarding the shiny Ruins. I use the same Nintendo profile and two different carts for my shenanigans.
haha yea its just a bullshit format
Or a bit after that cuz I got Wolfey's Incin on a 1 hour of play account
So I don't have to swap Nintendo profiles to access my other crap
Bet thanks yall Ill check if I have family im unsure
I have one account and it’s all I need
Also keeping it on the same Nintendo profile lets you have easier access to Home for transfers between your two games without requiring someone to trade with you
i also played out of curiosity
And even with a niche duo in reg I i still 5-2
The Magearna teams are so fuckin telegraphed bro like I just lead Incin Sash Urshifu into Ape Magearna and go HH Tera Stellar Surging into the Magearna and if they don't Tera just kaboom
hahaa yea idk y ppl think magerana is good
It's ass low-key
Magerena is fine on its own niche
but atp Lunala exists
I don’t think I have the energy nor the balls to go play reg j with my reg I team
I wouldn’t mind revisiting G or I, I got a redemption arc for Koala id like to take if we revisit I and G id really tackle the CSR teams, I was doing it at the tail end of G and it really made me appreciate CSR a little more
I'm gonna try it with Agati's team to see how it goes
not inherently but for this format atm? yea
It wasn’t even that good
I even beat it one game while I was heavily mispositioned in TR
me playing shiny koala 
Maybe I wouldn’t hate reg g again cuz Zac was lowkey better in reg g
oh also throw i got 1600s b4 for reg h
Name a better shiny combo I’ll wait
I really don’t think Zac ended up accomplishing shit in reg I
I saw bro, good stuff you beat someone in 1700s?
i kinda just heads empty and go with Miraidon Kyogre and ummm
I kinda only lose to magerena cuz i never fought them before and game 2 i overthinked too hard
but still 5-2 on something that is niche as fuck is still good
yea man, i made so many misplays and still won lol
Embrace Ditto
No
He forfeited but I think yall both still had outs
I hate ditto
Man why does this Reg suck so much
he forfeited way too early
It’s not that bad
atleast play that 1 turn out
This format isn’t that bad
I'm gonna lead Miraidon Ditto and copy your CSR turn 1 fuck you
i think he was specs and figured w/ dnite at -2 and dengo -1 locked in to make it rain the were gna have a tough time
Reg H isn't bad
We did not need a rerun of it
We didn’t need a rerun at all
Fair
I'd rather play an official Reg J than this
I mean we got a rerun of Reg G and that was way worse than H 
Ok true that was kinda ass
thats gna be a bit harder to get to haha but well see im just going for 1630s rn i think thats top 100
like really i'm having fun rn with Reg H winks at Monke,Drago and Throw
I liked the Reg G rerun a billion times more than the Reg H one
Bro's fruity as hell
I think reruns of formats are bad for the game
reg g 2.0 sucked
You either play Sneasler or play to beat it, while possibly playing your own. I hear Talonflame knocks that guy sideways
I still loved reg G 2

Cloak Amoonguss
u and like 3 other ppl
Still a very good placement, I only dream of hitting 1600s lol I’m always 1 game away then I full tilt to 1300/1400
Could have had reg f rerun
And I was happy that was what mattered
Cloak Amoonguss
Big fuck you to Sneasler
I am all 3
I could be sad in 3 formats of this year I choose to be happy in atleast one of them
i remember some1 giving me shit for running cloak amoongus in reg h 1 lol
I don't participate in these hypothetical chess games anymore because it's nonsense 
No actually it does work for Sneasler
I ran it for my GC lol
You totally misunderstood what I just said to you lol
Funnily enough I played better in Reg G 2 and Reg H 2 so I can’t say the reruns are bad
@rustic mountain i do sayy i miss the power i have in like higher level formats but i'm fine with rn
I say Talonflame to your Sneasler, you say Amoonguss, I say X thing to blow up your Amoonguss, you counter with some hyperbole, it persists, and it's nonsense.
Those arguments suck
Yes, they suck really hard.
reruns are fine i just wish we got better reruns, so reg h actually on cart and like reg f or series 1 instead of reg g
It goes nowhere
Fair, Reg F was peak, and series 1 was super fun
Oh no I was saying Cloak Amoonguss FOR Sneasler
I wasn't really going to beat your X or whatever
I'm just gonna blow the Sneasler up instead of most other things. I was just noting that Talonflame with Dual Wingbeat sorta wrecks the absolute hell out of Sneasler.
Yeah
I was doing the same here
Guy is built like a sculpture of wet naps
Reg F feels so perfect
You have to just test the stuff
what i would do to have played one of those formats instead of reg g twice reg h twice and reg I
Everything in theory is diferent than in practice
I settled on chomp a9 as my thing and now I’m struggling, maybe chomp ain’t it
Chomp is it
higher power formats are cool i just didnt like them as much in sv as i did in swsh, i think as cool as tera is, it made the really good mons into broken annoyances
Don’t lie to yourself
Actually there's gonna be more Grassy Seed Sneasler so how well will Talon actually work now hmm
I actually don't know the calc LOL
Chomp was low yeah
I think Garchomp struggles on this meta because there is a lot of Dnite and A9 and Incin Rilla
Its still SE into the best mon of the format rn so it has that going for it
Dual Wingbeat is primarily used for Sash Sneaslers.
I’m struggling with it tho
we don't talk about how broken CSR and CIR with Tera
I get the EQ teams I really do
Although comfort is important
But I feel the rock slide set as tons of merit
a9 chomp is still good imo
Comfort+Optimization requires a balance imo
but yea ursa generally feels like a better ground option most times, either of them
I’m also struggling to find the ground where my mu are mostly winnable
A9 Chomp is gas
Its actually SE into the two best mons of the format damn
If Grassy Seed Sneasler spikes you just Brave Bird it.
I liked Ursa in reg h 1 but like
Idk I think Ursa is kinda boring to play at times
I think I kind of prefer that honestly in general
Chomp just hits what I like more I’ve found
I love chomp
252 Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Sneasler: 182-216 (97.3 - 115.5%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO
You have to invest really hard to escape the Brave Bird
i still think bax is underrated rn
Oh that's Sharp Beak. Eh Sharp Beak is fine
Bro I agree wholeheartedly
Talonflame is based
Crazy good mon
Maybe I just need to commit more, like commiting to Zac
have to agree on it
I don't really think Bax is all that
At least idk
Idk if Scale Shot really works as well for Bax as it does for Dnite after using it
Ice + ground coverage and ice shard
100%
ice coverage that actually hits hard goes crazy in reg h
haven't seen it a lot
Dragon* its not ground lol
I sorta wanted to play Bax for Pittsburgh but I couldn't really settle on a team with it.
If Baxtales was good I’d do that
Like when I used both, Bax just felt notably weaker with Scale Shot stuff than Dnite
Probably cuz Bax doesn't get all the good utility moves that Dnite gets
not as a scale shot mon, but icicle spear, glaive rush, ice shard, eq, dragon dance, it has options
P2 is also super low rn
And I hate that the only good mon of reg H is low
also Ability wise Dnite has better ones to set up
The hydrei stuff right
I think Bax ability is fine
4x priority ice move into Dnite
Just idk
I think the fact that Dnite can use Scale Shot sets not just for offense but for utility as well is just kind of yeah
dies instantly
idt bax is meta defining but i think on the right team it can put in some work in the current landscape
Though I wonder how well a good ol Glaive Rush set would do
The EU people were running it
I’ve tried it before it was ok
Michael swapped Dragapult on his team for Baxcalibur
Really? That’s wild
Yeah
MDB loves him some Dragapult
What set
oh interesting he opted into scale shot
He does have coaching Sneasler so it makes sense
Dragapult -> Baxcalibur and Primarina -> Dozo
makes sense I didn’t like dozo on that team
yea those 5 are good adding bax seems solid
No I mean he swapped Primarina for Dozo
Gross
I think solo Dozo has a great spot rn
I miss when Glaive Rush was the norm
I miss too much to rely on it lol
Primarina is kind of mid lol
kind of?
Oh and the tra fairy on Magmar
Deadass was playing this before I picked up Shohei 6
That's super good I think fairy redirections are lacking rn
w/ bax?
Yeah
nice
I wouldn't say it's completely mid but like
It's just so underwhelming
no i mean like, its very mid
I also played the loaded dice version
Also the low Def stat is actually a problem LMAO
You get the atk def boost from Sneasler then scale shot makes you neutral
Yawn is super broken actually yawn mons won Frankfurt and Monterrey
yea same
Idt it's a bad Mon but the meta just
Ain't kind to it
Primarina is like okay
Rilla and sneasler hurt it so much
Gholdengo is prima kypronite
oh its not a bad mon at all, im saying specifically for reg h its mid
Rilla Sneasler
I think also the heavy slam tera steel dozogiri are aroun now so
That also hurts it
Primarina just dies lol
i remember mdb switched to tera water on his prim to help beat that
tera water hyper voices were fun to click
Hm


