#competitive_discussion

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shadow wind
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The scyther one?

cyan smelt
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yeah

shadow wind
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Did it have an AV Hamurott?

cyan smelt
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nope but it had scyther and tera flying acro sneasler

austere iron
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prolly last year.

shadow wind
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This was coaching fake out Sneasler

shadow wind
austere iron
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pokemon come n go on usage.

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I don't have the exact formats memorized on which pokemon were meta and when.

shadow wind
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I don't really know what we're arguing here if I'm being real

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I don't know if it was super meta at any point in Reg H though

austere iron
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super meta? No don't think so. I just know some people used it to counter stronger threats. especially in reg I against CSR

dense latch
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too much oil, there was no pan so you just burnt your house congratulations

shadow wind
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Weezing against CSR?

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The pan was not big enough 😔

dense latch
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i'm not feeling slaking

shadow wind
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I have swapped the Pult for Dnite

dense latch
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what is the thing you're trying to make work

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so i dont just suggest deleting it

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slaking?

shadow wind
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Well I mean Slaking is just a strong dude

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That's a big part of him

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He OHKO's no invest Dnite

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I'm really not feeling Indeedee though

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The idea was for MausApe but man it's not working with the team

austere iron
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how are you using it? do you have any clips/replays of it?

shadow wind
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I have played 3 games with the team no I don't have any replays

austere iron
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Mausape is fun, but a lot of people quickly try to get rid of the Maushold so the Ape can't power up it's Rage Fist.

shadow wind
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Yeah except I can't get rid of it quickly

austere iron
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oh, you're countering the Mausape?

shadow wind
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How am I supposed to use Mausape with the mouse or the ape

austere iron
shadow wind
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Yeah Indeedee

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My plan was Psyspam into MausApe

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Especially since they wouldn't have friend guard up with Gweezing being around

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I just switch it in turn 2

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I guess technically turn 1

austere iron
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so to be clear, you're not using Mausape, your plan is to DEFEAT Mausape, correct?

shadow wind
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Yes

austere iron
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I see, let me think.

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can you send the paste of this?

shadow wind
austere iron
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Ability shield huhh okay we cooking with a recipe I never tried before.

shadow wind
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Hydrapple blast !

short quiver
shadow wind
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This most likely mattered in me winning

molten oasis
shadow wind
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Trying it out

molten oasis
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Nice

shadow wind
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The entire team is a bit of a mess as of right now so might as well

molten oasis
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That’s valid

shadow wind
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Nah cause how did I forgot that Gweezing stopped guts

cyan smelt
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since kingdra is pretty slow maybe i try tr and set up dragon cheer with hydrapple

shadow wind
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I love this mon

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Holy smokes

austere iron
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boreal creek
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What’s the most underrated pokemon in yalls opinion

austere iron
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I would say don't take slaking into ghost types lol

boreal creek
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What’s some sleeper picks

shadow wind
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Guys the Farig OHKO was a roll 😔

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I just need a special attacker with a spread move that hits Ape before and after tera fire

cyan smelt
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primarina?

austere iron
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hmm

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that's a good one.

shadow wind
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It really needs its ability is the problem

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And the whole point of Weezing is that it gets rid of friend guard

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So spread moves go back to deal real damage

austere iron
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do you have this team on cart?

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I have a Mausape on cart I can utilize.

shadow wind
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God no

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I made this team 20 minutes ago

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Alright screw Dnite so much bro

austere iron
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what happened

shadow wind
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2 turn 1 scale shot misses into MausApe

cyan smelt
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how about blastoise

shadow wind
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I was legit thinking him but man he is hot dog water

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Screw it

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My goat rises once more

austere iron
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Me trying to make something out of Skeledirge.

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but there's so many better fire and ghost type users sadly.

shadow wind
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But like actually screw Dnite man

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This guy loves throwing

austere iron
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tbh. I question why stamping tantrum on the dragonite?

shadow wind
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If I have to use Blastoise to prevent my team from looking like this so be it

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Hits Gholdengo

austere iron
shadow wind
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Bro why are you legit mansplaining 😭

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Like I'm a dude and I'm not digging this

austere iron
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you literally said you don't wanna copy the team.

shadow wind
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No duh

austere iron
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okay so im saying the sneasler and indeedee can be swapped.

shadow wind
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I am not using that team bromaggedon

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Or any variant of that team

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I was saying that I just don't want my teams to look like every other team this reg

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I was really not looking for a response

foggy lodge
shadow wind
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GC 🥀

foggy lodge
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Specs water spout

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Budget Kyogre

shadow wind
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I got white herb muddy water

foggy lodge
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Tf is that set

shadow wind
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Shell smash is on there as well

foggy lodge
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Does it even have enough speed?

shadow wind
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After a smash

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 9: Blastoise
Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Rain Dish (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

79/83/100/85/105/78

Total

530

Other Formes

Blastoise-Mega

shadow wind
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Specs might be better

foggy lodge
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Oh so the same speed as Basculegion

shadow wind
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I think my favourite part about Weezing is no weather to deal with

foggy lodge
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btw I think sash Basculegion is real

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And I don't want to deal with it

shadow wind
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Oh for sure

cyan smelt
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The problem with shell smash is haze dnite

shadow wind
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Dude that Dnite is blowing up

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With Weez it has no multiscale

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And all these greedy sets with absolutely zero bulk are getting punished

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I do think specs is better for me though

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I have tailwind Dnite

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Also do I run adamant Slaking?

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252 Atk Life Orb Slaking Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 164-192 (98.7 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Slaking Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 177-211 (106.6 - 127.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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This is the only calc I'm thinking of when I say that

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Oh wait I'm lying

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252 Atk Life Orb Slaking High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 179-213 (88.6 - 105.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Slaking High Horsepower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 198-234 (98 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

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Also this one

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I think the Dnite calc is like uber important

foggy lodge
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Tbh there's basically no difference between those two incin calcs because no one runs 0 def

shadow wind
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Ok so then the Dnite calc

foggy lodge
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Hmmm try to see how much damage you do into the bulky dnites

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Let me search Joey's spread

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Dragonite @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 132 HP / 204 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Scale Shot
  • Extreme Speed
  • Ice Spinner
  • Protect
shadow wind
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252+ Atk Life Orb Slaking Double-Edge vs. 132 HP / 4 Def Dragonite: 177-211 (96.7 - 115.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

foggy lodge
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btw
Rillaboom used Fake Out!
(The opposing Volcarona lost 19% of its health!)
[The opposing Volcarona's Flame Body]
Rillaboom was burned!

The opposing Volcarona flinched and couldn't move!

Kingambit used Kowtow Cleave!
A critical hit!
(The opposing Volcarona lost 81% of its health!)
[The opposing Volcarona's Flame Body]
Kingambit was burned!

The opposing Volcarona fainted!

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Deserved crit

shadow wind
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Man how do you stop MausApe from having fun

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Like literally if I can figure that out I can make this team work

foggy lodge
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Your own follow me

shadow wind
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But Ape just screws me so badly

foggy lodge
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Unless they have taunt Maushold you are safe

shadow wind
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Follow me isn't bad but like

foggy lodge
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Also Indeedee Sneasler cooks those two

shadow wind
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Taunt bulk up and I'm ratio'd

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Wait

foggy lodge
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Expanding force in general

shadow wind
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I run a 2-2-2 with Dozo

foggy lodge
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Espathra!

shadow wind
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I will become a degen

foggy lodge
shadow wind
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Nah 2-2-2 isn't even that popular right now

foggy lodge
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If they don't have taunt you are fine cuz you just redirect everything and out set up them

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If they do you have to pray to get the 50/50s right

shadow wind
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So like I'm getting shamed right now

foggy lodge
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Gross

shadow wind
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But at least it's not sneasler !

foggy lodge
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Slap encore disable A9

shadow wind
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What's the body press dozo set?

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Like move wise

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Order up
Body press
Liquid?
Protect

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I don't regret what I've made but I am worried

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😭

molten oasis
shadow wind
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But can we at least admit it is the lesser evil

molten oasis
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How is it the lesser evil

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Dozo is immediately evil

shadow wind
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Cause like

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DUG + MausApe is cancer

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And at least you aren't seeing Weezing everywhere

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Spices it up a little bit

cyan smelt
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I'm gonna go back to my greninja ape team

molten oasis
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I guess

cyan smelt
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What's dug again I keep forgetting

shadow wind
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Like Dozo is a boss battle I'll agree there but MausApe is a double boss fight where it heals

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Dnite, Blursa, Dengo

cyan smelt
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Just found out greninja learns blizzard, that gives it better synergy with ninetales

molten oasis
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Mausape is kinda the worst that’s fair

shadow wind
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Like that dude doesn't die

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Then also has a 300 bp move 😔

cyan smelt
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And can buff itself

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And can't be faked out

shadow wind
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And now it's a fire type and can't be burnt

cyan smelt
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Or it's a grass type and can't be spored

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Oh and it has defiant

rustic mountain
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the tools are only as effective as the wielder

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also dozo is way more un based then mausape

solid frigate
rustic mountain
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its less the counterplay and more braindead omniboost that makes it more unbased

solid frigate
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anyways

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kinda didnt do too much playtesting for the format after GC

shadow wind
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My bad

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Should've played better

cyan smelt
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yknow what's worse than mausape?

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mausape with sinistcha

molten oasis
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2 crits is wild

dapper crag
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The bees are inside

shadow wind
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Same set I was frozen for 9 turns in a row

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Whenever I use dozo I swear my luck is worse

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Maybe that’s due to more turns in the games though

molten oasis
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Karma

shadow wind
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Dog I don’t deserve this 😭

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With the amount of haze Dnite around I’m actually at a disadvantage

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You gotta believe me man

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And hey, at least it’s not Sneasler Indeedee or MausApe

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Those are the 2 plagues of Reg H that I will not touch

short quiver
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so how badly we thinking they gonna fuck up mega delphox’s stats

shadow wind
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Mega Gengar part 2

molten oasis
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It didn’t change that people hated dozo, including myself

shadow wind
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I’d rather play a Dozo than MausApe any day

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MausApe honestly feels so unbeatable sometimes

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I can understand the Dozo being unbeatable sometimes too but so many mons learn haze

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And he can be faked out and resisted

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Ape can’t be faked out or resisted, it’s pretty stupid

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Like my whole team needs to be worked around MausApe

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Dozo just gets shafted by a lot more

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Not saying he’s not also stupid and broken but at least you can damage him

molten oasis
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Let’s see what did reg a bring that the community generally hates, dozo, mausape, and arma psyspam

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Thx gen 9 reg a

shadow wind
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Ok Drago I need your opinion

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You’re going to help the evil for a second here

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I’m running body press Dozo and I can’t think of a last move

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Order up
Body press
Protect

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Can’t decide on the last move

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There’s a lot of good ones

molten oasis
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Yawn maybe

shadow wind
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Yawn is funny

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I’m a little scared of the Dengo wall

molten oasis
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Chesto berry rest is funny

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Sub

shadow wind
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Could always just run liquidation

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Dragon/fighting gets beat by a lot

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Like just body press order up

molten oasis
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Why no wave crash?

shadow wind
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I feel like I’m more going for a pseudo stall

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And wave crash loses me a lot of health

molten oasis
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I see

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Sub then if that’s the goal

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Or rest chesto

shadow wind
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See that’s where the pseudo stall part comes in

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I still need to hit Dengo

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Cause he’s a huge nuisance

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But I think there’s too many grassy seed guys running around for EQ to be any good

molten oasis
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Liquidation then ig

shadow wind
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And I feel like Tera fighting might be greedy

cyan smelt
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you should go covert cloak dozo so you don't have to worry about fake out or stat drops from moves

shadow wind
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I might try that

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It was an idea I had but lefties just seemed way too good for him

cyan smelt
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lefties can be a bit passive, forces you to rely on protect a bit more, and that can be encored

shadow wind
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It’s true

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But also Dozo is a fat fish

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That boy loves protecting and stalling stuff

cyan smelt
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true

shadow wind
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If I went with a cloak variant I’d probably run a more offensive set

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Which might be the play but he’s also my Ape answer so who knows

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Actually wait

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If I just run EQ he can blow through a Tera fire ape

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I’ll work on it tomorrow I guess

lofty tartan
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Fissure Yawn Liquidation Protect arkeknine

shadow wind
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Nah I got another tiny fish helping him

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Does Tera steel specs Dengo 2HKO other Dengo?

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With make it rain I mean

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The answer is that it can

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If they are no invest

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Might need to run modest

stone trellis
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I almost always put power over speed.

shadow wind
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I mean I’m using Murkrow anyway so it’s not like I’m not going to be under tailwind

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I also can’t decide what to run on GWeezing

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I really liked sludge bomb but taunt has been very useful for trick room

cyan smelt
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isn't it usually fairy move, will o wisp, utility move and protect

shadow wind
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Yeah

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I have

Steam
Wisp
Protect

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So the last move is either sludge bomb or taunt

cyan smelt
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toxic spikes wouldn't be too useful because of all the sneaslers and amoongusses around

shadow wind
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Yeah nah I ain’t doing real stall

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But yeah sludge bomb is really nice for stuff like Whimsicott and Tera fairy Dnite

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But when thinking about those mons it’s like

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Taunt them or wisp them

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Now they don’t do anything

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I’m also rethinking my Tera type cause Tera dark just doesn’t cook as hard as I wanted it to

cyan smelt
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tera flying? if you're running EQ on dozo it might be nice to be immune to it

shadow wind
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I don’t think I would ever click naked Dozo EQ

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Tera flying is a common one though I’ll agree on that

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Was thinking more something for Gholdengo cause that MU is a bit rough

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So just something for steel I guess

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Nothing resists steel and flying besides the electric huh

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Wait why do I care about flying

cyan smelt
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steel resists steel too

shadow wind
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Yeah but then I’m still weak to ground which I might just have to deal with

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Water doesn’t seem horrible

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Especially since Rillaboom is less of a threat without terrain

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This is another case to be adamant slaking

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More consistent Rilla kills

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I think this team might have potential

cyan smelt
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Water resists steel I was about to say

shadow wind
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Or I’m just coping cause I’m using Weezing Slaking

shadow wind
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Fun fact

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I also might look into giving Weezing some speed invest

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I’m not exactly sure how much though

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Might steal an old Reg G Maya Weezing set

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It’ll be like uncovering ancient history

short quiver
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chat i got lauma and her mirror

cyan smelt
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oh yeah conner if you're using weezing you should definitely try and fit pawmot in there somewhere

stone trellis
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Ah yes, Garchomp food.

cyan smelt
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it can revive dozo

stone trellis
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Unless it switches into a double up and dies before it can use Revival Blessing.

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And hey, only Dondozo can be revived.

cyan smelt
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if tatsu is still alive you're golden

stone trellis
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252 Atk Life Orb Tera Ground Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tatsugiri: 166-198 (115.2 - 137.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Alive how?

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Oh yeah, Sash.

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But then Pawmot dies to EQ anyway.

cyan smelt
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isn't sash usually on pawmot in those dozo pawmot teams

stone trellis
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So yeah, Tatsugiri has no way to survive once Dondozo's out.

cyan smelt
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scarf draco?

shadow wind
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Dozo dittos are funny when one person has Weezing

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Tatsu on tatsu crime

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Their dozo was also on the field

cyan smelt
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oh yeah with weezing on the field commander doesn't activate right

shadow wind
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Yup

cyan smelt
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big rip tatsu

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weezing seems fun

shadow wind
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It honestly is

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You get to play your own little game and every one has to adjust to it

cyan smelt
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just need to watch out for the sturdy power herb archs

shadow wind
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Sturdy?

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What's that?

cyan smelt
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they can protect while peli sets up tw

stone trellis
# cyan smelt scarf draco?

252+ SpA Tatsugiri Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera Ground Garchomp: 130-154 (71 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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It's only a roll after two turns of Lorb recoil.

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So if the Garchomp just entered the field, Tatsu's fucked.

cyan smelt
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well the dozo pawmot teams i've seen also have corviknight i think and garchomp can't do anything to corv

stone trellis
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Every day, I wake up and I praise the Lord for giving me the idea to add Chomp to my Typhlosion sun team.

shadow wind
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Holy ladder is toxic at night

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This is before I started yapping back so I'll leave it at this point

cyan smelt
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why didn't you protect and wait for the sp atk drop

waxen dock
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sending it without context is a little weird

shadow wind
waxen dock
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cuz i dont know really what happend ib battle

shadow wind
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I got lucky they got lucky but I prevailed

waxen dock
cyan smelt
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i should play bo3 again but i don't have a good team, maybe i should just use the mamoswine team

shadow wind
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There's the replay

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I won't defend my actions in there I acted immaturely and I know it

cyan smelt
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eh at least you don't get repeatedly locked like i do

shadow wind
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I mean I don't care about that game at all

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I got lucky and that's that

waxen dock
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i think you would have still won without all hose luck parts

shadow wind
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They tilted I pushed them and I think it's funny

cyan smelt
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he got a few crits

shadow wind
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And that does mean I'm a bad person but I can live with that

waxen dock
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both of the luck didnt really matter

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so i think you did desrve to win

cyan smelt
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geez even with that feather dance that high horsepower did a frightening amount of damage

waxen dock
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cuz his ghold is probably fast thather than bulky

cyan smelt
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bulky tera water gholdengo is prolly better than fast gholdengo

waxen dock
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yeah

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but setup ghold feels a little weird with talonflame

shadow wind
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Well just lost to double muddy water miss + freeze so I guess every thing is balanced in the world again

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Oh my days

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Crazy end game just happened

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Tatsu vs. Amoonguss

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The only move they can click is clear smog 😭

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Attacking move that is

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Ok the fact that adamant Slaking still outspeeds things like Ghold, Incin, Rilla, Bascu is enough for me

cyan smelt
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what do you do against chomp

shadow wind
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Depends on the team

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But a lot of the time Dozo can clean up

formal grove
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is swagger own tempo mudsdale good ina trickroom team

stone trellis
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What is the best Tera type for Walking Wake?

cyan smelt
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wasn't it just water

short quiver
stone trellis
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Water makes sense.

short quiver
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water offensively fire defensively

shadow wind
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Or offensively

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It does like to be in the sun

cyan smelt
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usually you're pairing it with enough rillaboom deterrents

stone trellis
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Ice Rider + Walking Wake makes Rilla sweat.

cyan smelt
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I might start using weezing just because I can't think of any good team ideas

boreal creek
real prairie
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does sucker punch work if you target your partner?

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as in oppositions sucker punch

chrome knot
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yes

real prairie
gentle cragBOT
stone trellis
boreal creek
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Just out speed with flare blitz

stone trellis
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The defensive Tera on my Ice Rider:

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The Speed-boosted Walking Wake about to rip a fat-ass Draco:

boreal creek
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Even with a defensive tera ice rider is bro really surviving a neutral damage flare blitz from koraidon

stone trellis
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Yes, it is.

boreal creek
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Damn

stone trellis
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It's goddamn Calyrex Ice Rider, the thing has more base Defense than Groudon or Zamazenta.

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice
Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

boreal creek
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oh

left bobcat
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WOAH

boreal creek
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That’s insane

stone trellis
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You people didn't know...?

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Why do you think Life Orb Korai was considered so strong?

left bobcat
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I already knew just wanted to add the WOAH

stone trellis
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Yeah.

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Icy is likely the bulkiest restricted legendary, Zamazenta only beats it via Dauntless Shield and a better typing.

boreal creek
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I still one shot it with caly S

stone trellis
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Do you run Tera Ghost Modest with Life Orb?

left bobcat
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Is that even possible

boreal creek
left bobcat
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I always thought ice rider survives 1 astral barrage

stone trellis
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252 SpA Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 176 SpD Calyrex-Ice: 172-204 (83 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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It does.

boreal creek
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Helping hand tho

stone trellis
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No shit.

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You know what's funnier?

boreal creek
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Indeedee my goat

stone trellis
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36+ Atk Tera Ice Calyrex-Ice Helping Hand Glacial Lance vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow: 212-250 (120.4 - 142%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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This game can be played both ways.

boreal creek
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I run sash

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:)

stone trellis
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Ah, so you prefer dying to Urshifu.

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Got it.

boreal creek
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Indeedee follow me

stone trellis
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Fair.

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Guess Mirai's gotta bully it with Sna-

HOW THE FUCK DID YOU MISS ON THE ONE TURN WHERE THE TERA WAS OFF THE TABLE YOU STUPID FUCKING LIZARD

boreal creek
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Indeedee is so stupid and I love it

stone trellis
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OH AND NOW IT CRITS ME TWICE, SO FUCKING LOVELY

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1/11520 game.

boreal creek
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Bros just built different

stone trellis
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I had a 1/11520 chance of just losing the game in two turns.

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Guess what happened?

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Snarl missed, I got crit twice.

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Otherwise, that CSR was getting fried by Tera Dark Snarl.

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But no, it just had to fucking miss.

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On the one turn where they had no reason to pop a Tera, it just had to fucking miss.

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How in the world could I have adapted to that?

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Hacking my opponent's device and making them forfeit?

boreal creek
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But yeah I had no idea ice rider was so tanky cause I always one shot it if it doesn’t tera 😭

stone trellis
#

You're using a Helping Hand-boosted super effective move from a Pokemon with base 165 Special Attack who's also popped a Tera on top of its normal Tera, thus also boosting the move by another 33%.

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Funniest shit to me is that CSR without Helping Hand does less to Ice Rider than Specs Miraidon can.

boreal creek
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Dude I hate the idea of choice items

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I don’t want to be limited to one move

stone trellis
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Sucks to be you.

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Figure out a different way to balance an item which gives you a 50% boost to either your power or Speed that isn't just "Life Orb but with 20% recoil".

stone trellis
waxen dock
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so i entered a reg h with megas limitless tour

stone trellis
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I used to be at the high end of the 1400s.

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I even had games where I'd enter the 1500s.

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Why the fuck am I back to the 1200s again?

waxen dock
stone trellis
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Difference is that you're a good player.

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I just wanted to play for fun today.

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And I lost so many fucking games off of sheer bad luck.

waxen dock
stone trellis
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By what definition of the word am I good?

waxen dock
#

you got good record on gc

bold geode
#

Paying hard attention to results never leads to improvement

bold geode
cobalt tapir
bold geode
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Whatchu doin

cobalt tapir
stone trellis
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I somehow managed to drop by 260 points in two days.

bold geode
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It sucks I know, I don't like it either myself, but there's nothing you can do about it so why fixate on it

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Also dropping 260 points implies you went on a massive loss streak which means you didn't have any self control and likely tilt queued which is just dumb too

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Like if you're losing enough to drop 260 points then either something on your team needs to be reworked or your pacing is just off

boreal creek
#

I just lost a game to a 10% ice punch freeze and I didn’t thaw out turn 2

stone trellis
boreal creek
short quiver
boreal creek
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Yeah.

short quiver
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i bet that hurt even before the freeze 🥶

boreal creek
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No actually it did like no damage

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I was confused

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Took like a third hp off caly S

short quiver
#

maybe it was in slow start?

#

gigas attack stat is really high

tiny karmaBOT
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Pokémon No. 486: Regigigas
Type

Normal

Abilities

Slow Start

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/160/110/80/110/100

Total

670

#
Move: Ice Punch

Has a 10% chance to freeze the target.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

75

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Punch

Boosted by Iron Fist.

short quiver
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and its not like ice punch is weak or anything

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75 bp isnt crazy or anything but from 160 base attack it should at least do something, right?

tiny karmaBOT
#
Delphox's moveset:
Physical Moves

Covet, Cut, Facade, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Power-Up Punch, Return, Scratch, Secret Power, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Ember, Expanding Force, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Heat Wave, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Night Shade, Overheat, Psybeam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Round, Scorching Sands, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Calm Mind, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Copycat, Double Team, Embargo, Encore, Endure, Helping Hand, Howl, Hypnosis, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Switcheroo, Tail Whip, Telekinesis, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Wish, Wonder Room, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Delphox.

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
next stump
molten oasis
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$80? Damn

next stump
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yeah :/ it’s getting quite expensive

lofty tartan
#

Yeah it was that cost for Pitt too.

solid frigate
polar canyon
#

Highest grossing media company needs the help of charitable competitors to keep the tournaments up and coming

#

Think of those poor executives

solid frigate
#

And I have to compete in two tournaments in Jan-Feb

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I need a job quick-

normal trench
#

Does wide guard block dark void?

dense latch
#

yes

rustic mountain
primal saddle
#

im done with the weezing shit, does this team look alright?

foggy lodge
#

CB Basculegion without rain is pretty weird

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I know it has been used in balance comps with scarf or sash but idk I think that still having Whimsicott isn't enough to really let it shine

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And makes it very dependant of Whimsicott's tailwind to really work

cyan smelt
#

Not sure tera ghost ursa is the best either

shadow wind
#

My goat 🙏

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Same turn my Slaking missed a horsepower on it so we did not win

rustic mountain
#

r u just speedrunning the most unbased combos for reg h

shadow wind
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I just don't want to play sneasler or ape

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Like god forbid a guy have a little fun

rustic mountain
#

the ironic part is as unbased as those guys are they still arent as unbased as dozogiri or weezing/slaking

shadow wind
#

And that's your opinion

rustic mountain
#

braindead omniboost or braindead ability turn off

shadow wind
#

I'm just personally extremely bored with Reg H as a whole

shadow wind
#

Cause there's no free wins in mons

rustic mountain
#

i mean two things can still be true, it can lead to wins but also be pretty braindead in what ur doing. specifically for dozo i feel like ive only seen like chuppa and 1 other player seemingly push it to its limits outside just lets see how long i take to switch into the dozo strat and have fun opting into 50/50 mind games before that. the same supposed 50/50s u said u hated facing vs mausape

shadow wind
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MausApe isn't a 50/50

rustic mountain
#

like ur right it is my opinion for sure but yea i just dont get the approach i guess

shadow wind
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It's an always lose to anything except Psyspam

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Which I am sick of

foggy lodge
#

Chuppa just loves being the villain for VGC

shadow wind
#

Somehow this format feels more rock paper scissory than Reg G did

foggy lodge
#

Didn't he run like the Chansey minimize with Shuckle in sun and moon era

foggy lodge
#

I mean you can prep and makes plans for those archetypes

#

But its impossible to have a 50/50 or near balances MU into most things

rustic mountain
#

i find mausape p easy to beat generally

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u basically just cant let maushold stack ape up freely and u dont feed ape rage fists boosts until u can properly handle it

foggy lodge
#

Depends on the tools you have rain is good into it, indeedee sneasler, dengo + redirection

rustic mountain
#

well yea i have rain

forest arrow
#

Sneasler Rilla is also good into it

shadow wind
#

How does Dengo beat it

forest arrow
#

I’m using the Acro set atm

shadow wind
#

They just tera fire

rustic mountain
#

u gta give urself good tools otherwise common stuff is gna b tough to beat. thats why reg h isnt a true low power format, its too consolidated at the top with what the strong mons are

foggy lodge
#

mhm

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Scarf Basculegion is also good into it when testing

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
#

Cause wave crash just kos it and then you leave ape without its redirection and if you force the usual tera fire you just KO them

shadow wind
foggy lodge
#

Or also saving Basc for endgame where you have last respects

shadow wind
#

I'm not making garbage teams on purpose

rustic mountain
#

weezing/slaking just seems meh tbh

shadow wind
#

I am trying to give myself every single tool available

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Not sneasler or ape

foggy lodge
#

ngl I find Dozo to be pretty awkward rn

shadow wind
#

Every tool but those

foggy lodge
#

Too much Dnite and Amoonguss w clear smog

forest arrow
rustic mountain
#

yea lol

foggy lodge
#

Hot take Dondozo in reg G >>> Dondozo in reg H

#

Solo Dozo is really good tho imo

shadow wind
bold geode
#

Mfers really using Weezing?

forest arrow
#

It worked so well tho, got to watch the championship match and Pengy was piloting it so good

rustic mountain
#

where was that streamed?

shadow wind
#

Have you not heard how Dozo is the best mon in the entire game you should be shamed for using it?

forest arrow
#

One sec

foggy lodge
#

I think Garganacl and Sylveon are actually not bad

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They seem good

#

Sylveon cooks Electabuzz Kingambit

forest arrow
#

@bold geode

#

Before I deep dive you still have that link

shadow wind
bold geode
bold geode
foggy lodge
#

Hyper voice spread w throat spray

rustic mountain
#

most unbased doesnt mean cuz its good, its more just a lazy approach to the game to me

foggy lodge
#

And his Sylveon had yawn

rustic mountain
#

u werent here for the convo

foggy lodge
#

And the Gambits from those comps just don't run the steel move so Sylveon is not threatened by Gambit

shadow wind
#

Nah I'm also confused

bold geode
#

Catch me up gang

shadow wind
#

I understand how dozo can be lazy but it's also like

foggy lodge
#

It an opinion its fine

shadow wind
#

Every team can be lazy if make it seem that way

foggy lodge
#

I find the fissure Dozo or Ting-Lu to also be a lazy approach

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

Like I understand they can work just that I don't see them in the same view and personally not a correct approach

bold geode
#

Ok define lazy here

foggy lodge
#

Rely on the 30% move to fix a MU

lofty tartan
bold geode
#

?

#

Idrk if that's laziness

rustic mountain
shadow wind
#

VGC players when someone uses the mon designed for double battles 😡

#

To me that's an easy 1-2 team combo

rustic mountain
#

atleast other boost strats require some sort of set up outside of just pulling the trigger like that

shadow wind
#

And things like rage fist can't be stopped as easily as dozo

bold geode
#

The reason people use Fissure Dozo is cuz it's bulky so it usually gets to click it more than once, idk how that's lazy

shadow wind
#

Beat up Ape is lazy to me then

foggy lodge
#

And that's why I don't find it correct personally

shadow wind
#

Just sitting on the field with 0 attack invest?

foggy lodge
#

I just feel like if I used the dice wouldn't roll in my benefit

bold geode
#

Are we basically saying "oh hey a strat worked or I have bad luck, it's lazy"

lofty tartan
#

Yes

forest arrow
#

Found it

bold geode
#

-15 credit for comp chat

shadow wind
#

I'm just defending my team man

bold geode
#

I'm taking points off, you're not gonna pass this class with these scores man

shadow wind
#

I'll admit it's a cancer team but that doesn't mean it's lazy

#

I don't think a team can truly be "lazy"

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Or "brain dead" for that matter

bold geode
#

I will say Dozogiri is way more complex than people give it credit for

lofty tartan
#

I understand what Tree is saying, but Fissure Dozo is a different strategy.

Conner, Tree isn't attacking you for your team, he's stating how he views DozoGiri combos.

shadow wind
#

You don't win games by accident(usually)

rustic mountain
#

yea im not talking about fissure dozo

bold geode
#

I am a DozoGiri defender

lofty tartan
#

I've used it, but I agree that DozoGiri is sorta lazy.

shadow wind
#

I did feel pretty attacked for my team

lofty tartan
# shadow wind 😔

Man that's a pretty innocuous statement. It's up to you how you feel about it.

foggy lodge
#

Dozogiri broken dozogiri wins dozogiri cool

shadow wind
#

By the way I am like 90% joking I don't actually care how you guys view me for my teams

foggy lodge
#

I like good stuff

bold geode
#

Well I will say this
There are times like when your opponent doesn't have a DozoGiri MU or when people aren't prepping for it that it can be seen that way cuz like
Oh yeah I switch in I get boost I win GG shake my hand

shadow wind
#

Just thought I should make that clear before anything moves forward

lofty tartan
shadow wind
#

Literally Kingambit in singles

lofty tartan
#

If you don't have an answer for Kingambit, he'll roll over you. Etc etc

bold geode
#

But like
Especially RN if you're not considering Dozogiri in your MU spread, you're kinda fuckin stupid imo so like
Especially RN it can be difficult
Which yeah can be said for everything but like
Hell it does take some brainpower sometimes to literally choose to put yourself in a 1v2 situation

rustic mountain
#

also i do think a team can be lazy, if u just throw 6 mons together how is that not lazy? obviously an extreme example but yea my take on dozo/giri is more by design of the mon itself. getting the omniboost is just lame imo i dont respect it and its not like i even lose to it much i just think its boring, uninspired and a terrible way to approach the game

bold geode
#

Y'know what guys I agree
Sneasler is lazy

shadow wind
#

Annihilape is lazy !

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CSR is lazy

lofty tartan
#

I feel like I just stumbled onto a circlejerk reddit, here. Facepalm

forest arrow
#

Annihilape is beautiful

bold geode
#

PELIPPER AND ARCHALUDON TOO, LAZY MFERS

forest arrow
#

Take that back

bold geode
forest arrow
#

Anyways Tree the vid is up there if you wanna watch Monterrey finals

lofty tartan
#

I think you came in late, are making some assumptions and throwing around people being stupid a lot, frankly lol. Tone it down some arkeknine

bold geode
#

Like hell at this point it damn near seems like we're not saying something is lazy but more like "guys I can't beat this, so it's lazy"

rustic mountain
gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
#

What did I walk in on

forest arrow
#

Chaos

#

Lol /j

foggy lodge
#

Is this chaos tho

bold geode
lofty tartan
molten oasis
#

It’s been worse

forest arrow
#

it’s not I’m joking

molten oasis
#

Like early sv discussions in here were chaotic at times

forest arrow
#

Dozos approach for the Omni boost is inherently lazy that’s all that’s being said

rustic mountain
#

literally

molten oasis
#

Yeah

shadow wind
#

Pretty much we were discussing with a little bit of salt thrown into every message what a "lazy" team is

molten oasis
#

I don’t exactly disagree with that

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I think a mon getting a double omniboost is annoying

foggy lodge
#

ok but tree to get your point more

#

do you think like throwing 6 balance mons like lets say csr incin rilla blablabla is lazy too

#

To just put an example

bold geode
#

Guys Shadow Rider balance is lazy

lofty tartan
#

🙄

shadow wind
#

See that's where it gets hazy cause I just don't think a team CAN be lazy

#

You can play a team lazily

bold geode
#

Nah fr idt slapping 6 mons on like that is really lazy

lofty tartan
#

Oh there are definitely lazy approaches to teambuilding, and it usually comes from the inexperienced players just slapping six things onto a team and going full tilt

solid frigate
#

or just don't build a team and use someone's team

But thats just throw everything out of the question

bold geode
#

Cuz like
Sure you can just slap on good stuffs but like
It actually takes some brainpower to pilot those good mons

shadow wind
#

Is using someone elses team the peak of laziness then?

lofty tartan
#

Lazy teambuilding is with zero consideration to you playing the team. It's just assessing the teambuilding process.

foggy lodge
#

I'm the king of laziness damn

lofty tartan
#

DozoGiri usually devolves into "Which 2-mon combos am I cramming onto this?"

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

I remember when 2-2-2 teams were all that were on ladder

lofty tartan
#

And you take 2 2-mon combos because DozoGiri is one of those combos.

molten oasis
#

Cuz people used other teams to improve

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Plus there’s always adjusting a paste from someone else to your own liking

bold geode
#

Yeah
I will say though like
I think you can make a lot of good teams RN just by picking a duo to start with

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
#

Ah okay

lofty tartan
bold geode
#

Yeah I know I get it now

#

It's basically how the duo itself works, that whole relation

rustic mountain
#

and again, dozo/giri can be pushed to not just be braindead style approach as i mentioned b4 but it lends itself moreso to that kind of play generally

shadow wind
#

And Weezing Slaking is brain dead right?

foggy lodge
#

Fair

rustic mountain
#

so i dont like that hence unbased

bold geode
#

Yeah but I will say I can't hate on the laziness too much cuz like

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There's been a lot of times where that laziness has gotten results

lofty tartan
#

Like you hedge yourself into playing exclusively 2-mon combo picks. Indeedee/Sneasler, Indeedee/Psyspam Guy, Rilla/Sneasler, MausApe, Weezing/Slaking, Weezing/Regigigas, etc ad nauseum

foggy lodge
#

I personally don't agree that dozogiri is braindead I think it takes more skill to really master it

molten oasis
#

It comes off as braindead

bold geode
#

Like sure it's lazy but if it ain't broke why fix it

molten oasis
#

But yeah that mons harder to use especially now

lofty tartan
#

Tree. I wholeheartedly empathize with you right now arkeknine

shadow wind
#

So how is it brain dead if it's struggling 😭

molten oasis
#

I also think in reg a I see it most as brain dead

gentle cragBOT
molten oasis
#

Reg a dozo was kind of a menace

bold geode
#

Tree why you rep farming smh

molten oasis
#

Stop rep farming bro

dense latch
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
#

What are the reps even for

bold geode
dense latch
rustic mountain
lofty tartan
#

I have tons of meaningless points from hosting Tera Raids arkeknine

molten oasis
#

I have points from helping people here

bold geode
#

Yeah it's just a meaningless server thing, though there's probably some sense of engagement that comes with it

foggy lodge
#

where can i see my meaningless points to pretend they are meaning points

dense latch
#

bot commands

lofty tartan
bold geode
dense latch
#

i did -rep to see mine

rustic mountain
#

can look at someones rep if ur gna do a trade or something and see if they are generally more engaged and subsequently more trustworthy then someone who isnt

#

stuff like that

molten oasis
#

Yeah I can see that

lofty tartan
#

Or for giveaways, people with higher rep are more trustworthy and their mons are verified by server staff

bold geode
#

I don't trust any of you mfers for trades /j

rustic mountain
#

lol

bold geode
#

Except for Mika
Mika is my bank

molten oasis
#

Mika got me my dengo I believe

solid frigate
#

lol

lofty tartan
#

I'm like 6 different peoples' banks, not including my child.

forest arrow
#

Mika has anything I’ll ever need

shadow wind
#

24 general rep 🥀

dense latch
#

a good chunk of mine are probably from someone replying to some message i sent and it accidentally triggering rep

bold geode
#

I have withdrawed from the bank of Mika quite a few times

lofty tartan
#

I'm building six teams for Pittsburgh and only two of those are mine. arkeknine

bold geode
forest arrow
bold geode
#

Do you need help bro LMAO

molten oasis
#

General rep 159 not bad

lofty tartan
#

Hey man, I'm fortunate in pokemon, so I spread the love

bold geode
#

Mika actually grinds Pokemon, couldn't be me

rustic mountain
#

me wen championns drops and i have to use a team of garbage mons to unlock good ones: MaceDeathStare

bold geode
#

I will say there was a stretch recently where Mika wasn't around with mons as much so I had to get all my own shit and that was hell KEKW

lofty tartan
#

1573/5/51/50. Lots of internet points.

rustic mountain
#

? its all but confirmed we have to

bold geode
#

I'm just praising God that my Calyrex was 0IV Atk
Got that shit literally first try

molten oasis
#

Wait that’s actually how that’s gonna work?

forest arrow
#

At the start yes

lofty tartan
rustic mountain
#

yea we cant just transfer in right away

#

they want ppl to play the game

lofty tartan
#

I'm gonna grind Champs like I grind shinies cause I got a lot of Home stuff to port in 😐

#

I'm dreading moving all of my crap from SV to Home.

bold geode
forest arrow
#

A lot of my stuff is in SV but I’ll be ready to move it over asap

lofty tartan
#

Don't even get me started on Go. I had to buy more storage, again.

rustic mountain
#

dont forget to claim the ruin legends

foggy lodge
#

I'm still scared about the IVs thing for champions

forest arrow
#

Chi Yu is close

molten oasis
#

Damn I have to play the game to get better things this SUCKS /jk

foggy lodge
#

But nothing we can do anyways

forest arrow
#

I think tomorrow

molten oasis
#

I need to grab ting Lu

forest arrow
#

Then next week we can get our shiny bikes

molten oasis
#

I get koraidon!

lofty tartan
#

I've been loving the shiny Ruin distribution. I have doubles of them all 😄

forest arrow
#

I bet we revisit reg I or G if we don’t get champions in December

rustic mountain
# foggy lodge I'm still scared about the IVs thing for champions

i think itll be w/e the ivs are from wat u transfer in or wat u obtain in the game, i just dont think they wanna mess around w/ changing ivs in the game at will and then the implications of the mons either retaining that or the coding required to revert ivs back upon leaving the game

lofty tartan
#

I have a set in Premier, a set in Luxury, and now two sets of shinies in Cherish.

bold geode
#

Shit you're right
I could get two Chien Poo

molten oasis
bold geode
#

@molten oasis two Chien Poo

molten oasis
#

I think decembers just a dead month, but we also don’t know when champions comes out

forest arrow
#

Still gonna have a format change

foggy lodge
#

I have 3 Chien Poo

solid frigate
lofty tartan
molten oasis
#

istg if we have to play reg g or i again

bold geode
forest arrow
#

I should probably make an extra account to claim an extra set of the Legends

foggy lodge
#

PLEASE BE REG G PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

forest arrow
#

can I do it at the start of the game or do I need to beat the game

bold geode
lofty tartan
#

I didn't see a reason to get more than two sets of shiny Ruins. I have a Scarlet and Violet save milk_shrug

molten oasis
#

im sick of calyrex

bold geode
#

I liked Reg I

forest arrow
#

I don’t know if it’s family

bold geode
#

I'm not Wolfe_Hello

forest arrow
#

Probably not actually

molten oasis
#

You played it shut up lol

lofty tartan
rustic mountain
#

as soon as u get access to the mystery gift u can claim so no u dont have to beat the game but yea u need family nso to have online on more then 1 account

bold geode
#

Oh @rustic mountain I played my government mandated Reg J cart games for the month last night
4-0 with my Reg I team, the format is wack AF

molten oasis
#

I guess I only get 1 of each, oh well

foggy lodge
#

Yeah after choosing your starter I think

lofty tartan
#

But there's no progression stipulation regarding the shiny Ruins. I use the same Nintendo profile and two different carts for my shenanigans.

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
#

Or a bit after that cuz I got Wolfey's Incin on a 1 hour of play account

lofty tartan
#

So I don't have to swap Nintendo profiles to access my other crap

forest arrow
#

Bet thanks yall Ill check if I have family im unsure

molten oasis
#

I have one account and it’s all I need

lofty tartan
#

Also keeping it on the same Nintendo profile lets you have easier access to Home for transfers between your two games without requiring someone to trade with you

solid frigate
bold geode
rustic mountain
#

hahaa yea idk y ppl think magerana is good

bold geode
#

It's ass low-key

solid frigate
molten oasis
#

I don’t think I have the energy nor the balls to go play reg j with my reg I team

forest arrow
#

I wouldn’t mind revisiting G or I, I got a redemption arc for Koala id like to take if we revisit I and G id really tackle the CSR teams, I was doing it at the tail end of G and it really made me appreciate CSR a little more

foggy lodge
#

I'm gonna try it with Agati's team to see how it goes

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

It wasn’t even that good

bold geode
#

I even beat it one game while I was heavily mispositioned in TR

molten oasis
#

Maybe I wouldn’t hate reg g again cuz Zac was lowkey better in reg g

rustic mountain
#

oh also throw i got 1600s b4 for reg h

forest arrow
#

Name a better shiny combo I’ll wait

molten oasis
#

I really don’t think Zac ended up accomplishing shit in reg I

forest arrow
solid frigate
rustic mountain
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yea man, i made so many misplays and still won lol

molten oasis
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No

forest arrow
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He forfeited but I think yall both still had outs

molten oasis
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I hate ditto

shadow wind
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Man why does this Reg suck so much

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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It’s not that bad

rustic mountain
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atleast play that 1 turn out

molten oasis
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This format isn’t that bad

forest arrow
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Right? Good work tho nonetheless

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Well on your way to 1700

foggy lodge
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I'm gonna lead Miraidon Ditto and copy your CSR turn 1 fuck you

rustic mountain
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i think he was specs and figured w/ dnite at -2 and dengo -1 locked in to make it rain the were gna have a tough time

solid frigate
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Reg H isn't bad

shadow wind
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We did not need a rerun of it

molten oasis
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We didn’t need a rerun at all

shadow wind
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I'd rather play an official Reg J than this

lofty tartan
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I mean we got a rerun of Reg G and that was way worse than H arkeknine

molten oasis
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Ok true that was kinda ass

rustic mountain
solid frigate
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like really i'm having fun rn with Reg H winks at Monke,Drago and Throw

shadow wind
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I liked the Reg G rerun a billion times more than the Reg H one

foggy lodge
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I think reruns of formats are bad for the game

rustic mountain
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reg g 2.0 sucked

lofty tartan
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You either play Sneasler or play to beat it, while possibly playing your own. I hear Talonflame knocks that guy sideways

foggy lodge
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I still loved reg G 2

solid frigate
rustic mountain
forest arrow
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Still a very good placement, I only dream of hitting 1600s lol I’m always 1 game away then I full tilt to 1300/1400

molten oasis
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Could have had reg f rerun

foggy lodge
bold geode
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Cloak Amoonguss
Big fuck you to Sneasler

shadow wind
foggy lodge
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I could be sad in 3 formats of this year I choose to be happy in atleast one of them

rustic mountain
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i remember some1 giving me shit for running cloak amoongus in reg h 1 lol

lofty tartan
bold geode
lofty tartan
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You totally misunderstood what I just said to you lol

forest arrow
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Funnily enough I played better in Reg G 2 and Reg H 2 so I can’t say the reruns are bad

solid frigate
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@rustic mountain i do sayy i miss the power i have in like higher level formats but i'm fine with rn

lofty tartan
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I say Talonflame to your Sneasler, you say Amoonguss, I say X thing to blow up your Amoonguss, you counter with some hyperbole, it persists, and it's nonsense.

molten oasis
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Those arguments suck

lofty tartan
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Yes, they suck really hard.

rustic mountain
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reruns are fine i just wish we got better reruns, so reg h actually on cart and like reg f or series 1 instead of reg g

molten oasis
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It goes nowhere

forest arrow
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Fair, Reg F was peak, and series 1 was super fun

bold geode
lofty tartan
bold geode
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Yeah
I was doing the same here

lofty tartan
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Guy is built like a sculpture of wet naps

solid frigate
foggy lodge
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You have to just test the stuff

dense latch
foggy lodge
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Everything in theory is diferent than in practice

molten oasis
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I settled on chomp a9 as my thing and now I’m struggling, maybe chomp ain’t it

forest arrow
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Chomp is it

rustic mountain
forest arrow
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Don’t lie to yourself

bold geode
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Actually there's gonna be more Grassy Seed Sneasler so how well will Talon actually work now hmm
I actually don't know the calc LOL

foggy lodge
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Chomp was low yeah

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I think Garchomp struggles on this meta because there is a lot of Dnite and A9 and Incin Rilla

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Its still SE into the best mon of the format rn so it has that going for it

lofty tartan
molten oasis
solid frigate
forest arrow
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I get the EQ teams I really do

molten oasis
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Although comfort is important

forest arrow
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But I feel the rock slide set as tons of merit

rustic mountain
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a9 chomp is still good imo

solid frigate
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Comfort+Optimization requires a balance imo

rustic mountain
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but yea ursa generally feels like a better ground option most times, either of them

molten oasis
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I’m also struggling to find the ground where my mu are mostly winnable

bold geode
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A9 Chomp is gas

foggy lodge
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Its actually SE into the two best mons of the format damn

lofty tartan
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If Grassy Seed Sneasler spikes you just Brave Bird it.

molten oasis
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Idk I think Ursa is kinda boring to play at times

bold geode
molten oasis
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Chomp just hits what I like more I’ve found

foggy lodge
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I love chomp

lofty tartan
rustic mountain
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i still think bax is underrated rn

lofty tartan
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Oh that's Sharp Beak. Eh Sharp Beak is fine

forest arrow
foggy lodge
molten oasis
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Maybe I just need to commit more, like commiting to Zac

solid frigate
bold geode
foggy lodge
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Ice + ground coverage and ice shard

dense latch
solid frigate
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haven't seen it a lot

foggy lodge
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Dragon* its not ground lol

lofty tartan
molten oasis
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If Baxtales was good I’d do that

bold geode
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Like when I used both, Bax just felt notably weaker with Scale Shot stuff than Dnite
Probably cuz Bax doesn't get all the good utility moves that Dnite gets

molten oasis
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However it’s not because of dengo and gambit

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what was I on last hm

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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P2 is also super low rn

molten oasis
foggy lodge
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And I hate that the only good mon of reg H is low

solid frigate
molten oasis
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The hydrei stuff right

bold geode
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I think Bax ability is fine

forest arrow
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4x priority ice move into Dnite

bold geode
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Just idk
I think the fact that Dnite can use Scale Shot sets not just for offense but for utility as well is just kind of yeah

solid frigate
rustic mountain
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idt bax is meta defining but i think on the right team it can put in some work in the current landscape

bold geode
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Though I wonder how well a good ol Glaive Rush set would do

foggy lodge
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The EU people were running it

molten oasis
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I’ve tried it before it was ok

foggy lodge
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Michael swapped Dragapult on his team for Baxcalibur

forest arrow
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Really? That’s wild

foggy lodge
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Yeah

forest arrow
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MDB loves him some Dragapult

rustic mountain
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oh interesting he opted into scale shot

forest arrow
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He does have coaching Sneasler so it makes sense

foggy lodge
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Dragapult -> Baxcalibur and Primarina -> Dozo

foggy lodge
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The usual stuff

forest arrow
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makes sense I didn’t like dozo on that team

rustic mountain
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yea those 5 are good adding bax seems solid

foggy lodge
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No I mean he swapped Primarina for Dozo

forest arrow
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Gross

foggy lodge
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I think solo Dozo has a great spot rn

bold geode
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I miss when Glaive Rush was the norm

rustic mountain
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this is the team

forest arrow
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I miss too much to rely on it lol

bold geode
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Primarina is kind of mid lol

rustic mountain
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kind of?

foggy lodge
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Oh and the tra fairy on Magmar

forest arrow
foggy lodge
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That's super good I think fairy redirections are lacking rn

rustic mountain
forest arrow
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Yeah

rustic mountain
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nice

bold geode
rustic mountain
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no i mean like, its very mid

forest arrow
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I also played the loaded dice version

foggy lodge
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I would use that team it looks good

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I like yawn!

bold geode
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Also the low Def stat is actually a problem LMAO

forest arrow
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You get the atk def boost from Sneasler then scale shot makes you neutral

foggy lodge
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Yawn is super broken actually yawn mons won Frankfurt and Monterrey

molten oasis
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Prima is so mid

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I love Prima and all but it just isn’t it

rustic mountain
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yea same

bold geode
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Idt it's a bad Mon but the meta just
Ain't kind to it

foggy lodge
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Primarina is like okay

molten oasis
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Rilla and sneasler hurt it so much

forest arrow
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Gholdengo is prima kypronite

rustic mountain
forest arrow
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Rilla Sneasler

foggy lodge
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I think also the heavy slam tera steel dozogiri are aroun now so

molten oasis
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That also hurts it

foggy lodge
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Primarina just dies lol

dense latch
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i remember mdb switched to tera water on his prim to help beat that

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tera water hyper voices were fun to click

molten oasis
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Hm