competitive_discussion

[shadow wind]

Specs Mirai is that nuke

And everyone is bulking up

[stone trellis]

Yeah, the burst damage is really useful.

[shadow wind]

I think my last Reg I team utilized Specs Mirai

https://pokepast.es/cce7a0e946fc0244

It did indeed

[stone trellis]

I also have an Urshifu player's worst nightmare.

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/529518a5c3a8da54

[stone trellis]

Tera Grass Rage Powder Giga Drain Rocky Helmet Volc.

[shadow wind]

This is still my favourite team I made all Reg I

[shadow wind]

Gross

But if it works it works

Do NOT look at that Groudon's spdef stat

[stone trellis]

I calced it in a way that forces Shifu to need all three hits for an OHKO.

[stone trellis]

Why is it so high?

[shadow wind]

Need that boy living

[stone trellis]

Which means it loses 3/8 of its HP and potentially gets crippled midway because of burn.

[shadow wind]

He honestly lived way more than he should've

[stone trellis]

I used to run AV Groudon, he also lived a lot.

[shadow wind]

I was going back and forth on Groudon's item all Reg

[stone trellis]

And I still can't forget how hard Crunch made me laugh.

[shadow wind]

AV or Clam was usually the debate

[stone trellis]

Lunala players never expected it.

[shadow wind]

I bet the Lunala took like 55

[stone trellis]

It was 236 Adamant Groudon, it probably took at least 60%.

[shadow wind]

156+ Atk Groudon Crunch vs. 220 HP / 76 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 204-240 (43.4 - 51%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

🥀

[stone trellis]

Calc for 236.

[shadow wind]

236+ Atk Groudon Crunch vs. 220 HP / 76 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 214-254 (45.5 - 54%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Somehow I overshot my estimation

Wait

They're level 100, maybe that changes something

236+ Atk Groudon Crunch vs. 220 HP / 76 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 112-134 (46.6 - 55.8%) -- 16% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[stone trellis]

You were right.

[shadow wind]

Head calcing is a skill I guess

Nah usually I can't head calc for my life

[stone trellis]

How much does Tera Dark Knock Off from max Attack Iron Valiant do to that same Lunala?

[shadow wind]

Adamant?

252+ Atk Iron Valiant Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 220 HP / 76 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 124-146 (51.6 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[real prairie]

That's without tera

[shadow wind]

252+ Atk Tera Dark Iron Valiant Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 220 HP / 76 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 186-218 (77.5 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[stone trellis]

No, Jolly.

But still, goddamn.

[shadow wind]

So many rules 😔

Jolly does 70 - 83

[stone trellis]

Iron Valiant is the king of "WHY DID THAT DO 85%?!"

[shadow wind]

I wonder if the people that have showdown names like "x-3 drop" actually attend tours

[real prairie]

Sharpness sash gallade has been kicking my arse in reg H, that asshole does SOO much damage

[shadow wind]

I'm just wondering cause I just played a guy with the name "x-5 drop" and he was top 10 on ladder so they have to be decent

Although he really didn't make an gnarly plays so who knows

[stone trellis]

The voices in my head are telling me to use Adamant Iron Valiant.

[shadow wind]

Attack booster moment

[stone trellis]

Miraidon players are not ready for the Spirit Break calcs.

[shadow wind]

Use adamant scarf attack booster

[stone trellis]

Why not Band Speed boost?

[shadow wind]

Cause then you can't be adamant !

[stone trellis]

Fair.

But I'm definitely using Sash.

[shadow wind]

Aw man

[stone trellis]

The fact it OHKOs Lunala through Shadow Shield is the funniest to me.

[craggy dagger]

i just get a random range lol

[stone trellis]

I just know that living Modest Specs Mirai EDrift/Draco needs you to have 207 HP and 175 Special Defense.

[craggy dagger]

head calcs are really hard to do
unless you’re given two sets and know how to calc that
it’ll be rough cuz on the go, you end up with maybe like 10-15 different EV spreads for your opponent .-.

[craggy dagger]

neutral or resisted?

[stone trellis]

And you're also guaranteed to live super effective Tera Ghost Astral Barrage from frail CSR.

[stone trellis]

Neutral.

[craggy dagger]

dang

[stone trellis]

That's the sacred Icy calc.

[craggy dagger]

[shadow wind]

This attack will do anywhere from 0% to 100% I can tell you that

[stone trellis]

I want to calc for Adamant Valiant now, to be entirely honest.

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Quark Drive Tera Dark Iron Valiant Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Calyrex-Ice: 168-198 (81.1 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Quark Drive Tera Dark Iron Valiant Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 12 Def Shadow Shield Lunala: 254-302 (104 - 123.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Oh yeah, this is the shit.

[shadow wind]

Ain't nobody letting you get that off

[stone trellis]

Focus Sash is the GOAT for that.

[craggy dagger]

hi

[chrome knot]

novaaaaaaaaaa

[stone trellis]

Plus, as my grandpa Paul (yes, I got my name from him) used to say: "Nobody targets Valiant until it's already done 83% to Miraidon or gotten off at least three Coachings".

[craggy dagger]

emmmaaaaaaaaaaaa

[shadow wind]

Why is the ladder dead today

Downpaired almost 300 elo 🥀

We love that +5/-29 opportunity

[next stump]

people hiding their tech for regionals maybe

we’ve got a couple this weeks

weekend*

[shadow wind]

Yeah that's fair

But this is not epic

+7 hurts

I ain't even that high on the ladder

[chrome knot]

haaaiiiii

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Quark Drive Iron Valiant Spirit Break vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 186-218 (105.6 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Bald Zoro is going to shit on so many people, I can't lie.

I kind of want to replace Iron Hands, but I also kind of don't want to.

[shadow wind]

I think I'm happy here

[short quiver]

hell yeah

[timber falcon]

very nice

[bold geode]

@craggy dagger you

[chrome knot]

nickname theme for a regional, went kinda hard asf

[short quiver]

🗣️🗣️

my tagline in video games that allow me to have one is BTD

[bold geode]

@chrome knot Nova ignored me
Very stimky behavior

[chrome knot]

okaayyy?

[bold geode]

Idk I'm just saying shi

[short quiver]

chat im crying i accidentally knocked a can over and some of it got on my pc 😭

i got a lot off but i think some got in a spot i cant reach what do i do 😭

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-rock-anxiety-panic-panic-attack-gif-27018980

[craggy dagger]

me!!

[craggy dagger]

i was busy leave me alone

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

How doing

[craggy dagger]

doing okay

[bold geode]

Good

[craggy dagger]

hbu

oh
i found sauce for bramble in reg H

[bold geode]

Lol

I'm good

[short quiver]

is this a brambleghast reference

[craggy dagger]

awww

[bold geode]

Wym aww

[short quiver]

@chrome knot 🫡

[chrome knot]

do u also listen to jane?

[short quiver]

ermmmm dont believe so

[chrome knot]

https://open.spotify.com/album/21b4cDNse2AMpj94ykfuON?si=cDtwnAk5QFifCbGY-54BCA

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-woman-anime-drink-drinking-tea-gif-10743290

[short quiver]

the first 3 songs are already no for me 😭

[chrome knot]

fake into hyperpop😔🤘

[short quiver]

i listen to glaive, ericdoa, 100 gecs, brakence, saturn, funeral, braden ross, cybertrash,

and more im just not typing allat

hey this ones good

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1024: Terapagos-Terastal

Type

Normal

Abilities

Tera Shell

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/95/110/105/110/85

Total

600

Base Species

Terapagos

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

why is its physical attack so high

mixed attack rappa 🥀

[pulsar cloak]

Holy aoty

[short quiver]

aoty?

[pulsar cloak]

Album of the year

[short quiver]

ah

[pulsar cloak]

Love Jane's stuff, even nicknamed my Dnite after one of her songs for the GC

[short quiver]

this aoty has only given me 2 good songs so far so

[chrome knot]

u listen to popular stuffsies tbf

[short quiver]

in middle school i was literally gay for Glaive

[chrome knot]

lmfao

[short quiver]

true 🤷‍♂️

[short quiver]

what can i say i was obsessed with his music

[polar canyon]

That huge stab rapid spin for the singles players ofc

[short quiver]

interesting

[cyan smelt]

my team isn't working out

[short quiver]

im sorry to hear that

whats the team and whats going wrong

[cyan smelt]

made barraskewda jolly hopefully that helps

[short quiver]

what outspeeds barraskewda? 😭😭😭

[shadow wind]

Lots of stuff if it’s adamant

[left bobcat]

A lot of things 🐡

[cyan smelt]

this team is not good against fast psyspam or kommo-o set up

[short quiver]

how 😭

[short quiver]

ah that makes more sense

[shadow wind]

Kommo set up is very niche I wouldn’t worry about that but psyspam yeah that’s an issue

[cyan smelt]

it's bad against gambit stuff too

i think i need to bring amoonguss to that

[shadow wind]

Gambit is hard for a lot of teams

I really hate the black glasses sd set

[short quiver]

my first thought was the move final gambit then i realized you meant Cringegambit

[cyan smelt]

i think i'll give up on this team and go back to greninja annihilape

this format is super hard for me

[left bobcat]

Cuz there’s just faster options

[short quiver]

feesh

[chrome knot]

fire my naic team was milwaukee team was Revengeseekerz themed

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/furret-pokemon-cute-gif-17963577

[shadow wind]

Non restricted formats are honestly harder than restricted ones

[left bobcat]

Propeller tail

[short quiver]

that’s somehow faster than a spectral steed

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Shadow

Types

Psychic/Ghost

Abilities

As One (Spectrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/80/165/100/150

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

150 right

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 897: Spectrier

Type

Ghost

Abilities

Grim Neigh

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/65/60/145/80/130

Total

580

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

130 right? 😭

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 847: Barraskewda

Type

Water

Abilities

Swift Swim, Propeller Tail (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

61/123/60/60/50/136

Total

490

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

136 you mean to tell me. a fucking fish. is faster than a spectral horse 😐

[shadow wind]

It has a propeller tail

[chrome knot]

its got a propeller

fish with zoomies

[short quiver]

and it outspeeds an undead horse 😐

[chrome knot]

yes

fish with zoomies!

[tiny karma]

Ability: Propeller Tail

This Pokemon's moves cannot be redirected to a different target by any effect.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

so its stalwart

[left bobcat]

Stalwart and mold breaker combined

[short quiver]

so it works on water absorb too?

[chrome knot]

no its jus stalwart

[left bobcat]

Oh wait nvm I misread

[left bobcat]

No but it ignores storm drain

[shadow wind]

To be fair most normal dead horses have a speed of 0

[short quiver]

so its just stalwart

[left bobcat]

Yeah basically

[short quiver]

not basically thats exactly what it is 😭

[left bobcat]

Yeah basically

[short quiver]

those dead horses arent undead now are they

[chrome knot]

LMFAOOOO

[shadow wind]

That’s why I said most normal dead horses

So on average it’s not unexpected

[short quiver]

i want to use the base form
horses very badly

[left bobcat]

Well swift swim Barraskewda it is

[short quiver]

finding out they arent restricted is eye opening information for me

[short quiver]

i think propellor tail should have had something to do with tailwind. like wind power or wind rider, yk?

wind rider would be perfect

[left bobcat]

Oh yeah

BUFF PROPELLER TAILLLLLLLLL

[short quiver]

make it wind rider but better TPCI

[left bobcat]

and also make it FLYYY

[short quiver]

i mean it does have the propeller 🤔

[tiny karma]

Spectrier's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Payback, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Psycho Cut, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash

Special Moves

Dark Pulse, Draining Kiss, Hex, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Night Shade, Psychic, Round, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Curse, Disable, Endure, Haze, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Protect, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Tail Whip, Taunt, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Spectrier.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

it only learns 5 special attacks?

and only one of them is even a ghost move

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 897: Spectrier

Type

Ghost

Abilities

Grim Neigh

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/65/60/145/80/130

Total

580

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

and why would you use a physical attack at all

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah this guy was a meta in Reg D

[short quiver]

with what moves? 😭

it doesnt even get shadow ball

[solid frigate]

are you fucking blind

[short quiver]

i see hex

[short quiver]

i dont see a shadow ball

[solid frigate]

How the fuck you missed that

[short quiver]

BECAUSE ITS NOT FUCKING THERE

[left bobcat]

Spectrier can learn rest? But it’s always resting

[solid frigate]

It’s your device’s problem

Look at mud shot didn’t even get registered fully

[short quiver]

what phone you got i see the iphone bar at the bottom

[dense latch]

my favorite special move

mud

[short quiver]

mud

[solid frigate]

iPhone 11

[cyan smelt]

think i'll go back to indeedee sneasler ttar excadrill and idk who else

[short quiver]

ah….

there we go

it wasnt my phone it was discord

[cyan smelt]

wait i liked annihilape greninja team

[solid frigate]

Why did you not bother check Bulbapedia and Pokémon Wiki

[short quiver]

why do that when we have a bot right here i can ask for the same information

[solid frigate]

Sometimes the bot does not show what is that Pokémon’s Egg Move and stuff

[short quiver]

which isnt important since the horses dont have any

[solid frigate]

But other Pokémon do so the bot is not 100% Reliable

[short quiver]

noted

[solid frigate]

Like I always forgot Parting shot and Fake Out are Egg moves for Incin

[short quiver]

i think i wanna try hyperbeam terapagos before the end of reg j

i also think i want to make it bulky as fuck

is av turtle a thing 🤔

yes it is but its very uncommon

according to munchstats .6% usage

if i use hyperbeam do i still have tera starstorm?

[dense latch]

terapagos without tera starstorm is useless

[short quiver]

but its even more useless with it 😭

[dense latch]

hyper beam was only really used for specs sets as your last move in case you really needed to ohko something

[solid frigate]

Starstorm Hyper Beam Earth Power Dark Pulse

Thats it

Its that simple

[short quiver]

i was gonna like 252 hp some def and SpD investment 4SpA and AV

i want it to stay on the field

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-16754969172304048067

[dense latch]

av is not a good idea

lefties or specs are the only items you should realistically use on pagos imo

[solid frigate]

like the only items pagos would run is just
Lefties,Specs,Cloak

[dense latch]

ig seeds and cloak work too sometimes but those two are the standard

[solid frigate]

and you don't have to think anything else

[dense latch]

there were some reg i pagos seed teams iirc

[solid frigate]

which is Mirai exclusive

[short quiver]

i saw an electric seed with a mirai

[short quiver]

rillaboom and indeedee crying in a corner:

[solid frigate]

you use lefties for Rilla teams

also Psychic Seed boost SpD

which PAGOS HAS A MOVE THAT BOOST IT

[short quiver]

so specs with starstorm hyperbeam EP and DP

[shadow wind]

Hyperbeam 🥀

[short quiver]

and like fully invested bulk

[short quiver]

yes. hyperbeam.

[solid frigate]

4 HP 252 SpA 252 Spe
Timid

Your track record does not prove you can make specfic spread for Bulky specs Pagos-

[shadow wind]

Shots fired

[short quiver]

that spread doesnt look very bulky

[dense latch]

if you want bulky pagos go leftovers
if you want fast pagos go specs

[shadow wind]

Those who rock polish with meteor beam

[solid frigate]

run fast Pagos that still

[dense latch]

bulky specs is basically worthless when you could just use that bulk to get a calm mind easily

[solid frigate]

tf do you want for 150 HP

[shadow wind]

I thought the Mbeam and Rock polish sets were sick

Too bad they were pretty mid

Cause you get walled by wide guard

[solid frigate]

i tried it before

I kinda hate wide guard that way but it feels better in Reg I

[shadow wind]

Also Erik, the more I play with my current team the more I realize how useful Indeedee Sneasler would be 😔

[solid frigate]

the lead is fucking stupid

[shadow wind]

MausApe fries my normal leads

I gotta get freaky with my leads

Volcarona Buzz !!

But Indeedee Sneasler would be so much better

But I will remain strong and not use em

Also this is maybe the least interesting team I've ever seen

They said Reg H was interesting but it's just the same 10 mons in different configs 😔

[solid frigate]

thanks legendary haters-

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[shadow wind]

I miss Regs G and I

I was talking to someone earlier and they called sand brain dead and rng carried 💀

At least I don't have dire claw ‼️

[dense latch]

anytime i was thinking how to round off your team i was always trying to avoid indeedee sneasler lmaoo bc i knew how little you wanted to use those

[shadow wind]

Yeah it's hard

I remember in Reg H1 I used Indeedee Delphox instead

Which is just worse

But it did get the job done for the most part

But now I'm just praying to god every MausApe game

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-shotaro-hidari-hidari-shotaro-shotaro-gif-5675892

my reaction to Reg H rerunning and somehow people hate it

[shadow wind]

I never liked Reg H

I have Stockholm syndrome from it

No Groudon = No fun

[solid frigate]

no like i understand why you don't like it

I just find it ironic that some legendary haters also hate this format

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah that part's funny

It really is just a 10 mon format though

The most team synergy that exists right now is coaching stuff

[solid frigate]

bring me back to national dex format and i am satisfied

[shadow wind]

Real

I see Reg H as a challenge though

How well can I do in a format that I don't like

Cause if I can pop off in a format I hate I can do well in any kind of format

[solid frigate]

i just treat this format for fun

outside of that dreadful GC experience but otherwise Reg H isn't too bad

Props to Bo3 tho

[shadow wind]

I only really enjoy Bo3 in VGC

Bo1 feels so cancerous

[foggy lodge]

Remember when you were puro bo1 player

[shadow wind]

Yup

And I would throw the same team at ladder for 1000 games

Expecting anything to change

[dense latch]

same

i can’t find something i like but i keep playing

[foggy lodge]

Play P2!!!

[dense latch]

that’s why im playing the tcg some more until champions drops or i find a good team

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/shover-its-shover-shotaro-hidari-over-gif-16061864704528859433

[dense latch]

i’m still so bummed about missing out on my local

i need a team for next weekened

[solid frigate]

sorry i was in my 2nd Kamen rider phase thats why i am not using game based GIFs

[shadow wind]

What happened?

[dense latch]

had some commitments and didnt get there in time

[shadow wind]

Ah shucks

That blows

Man, I'm so close to the next milestone on the ladder

[solid frigate]

i already commited too much on Reg I

Its nice to take a break from VGC

[shadow wind]

Both 1600 and top 50 are 1 win away

[solid frigate]

and in that time finding my nostalgia stuff

[shadow wind]

But I refuse

I got so lucky in my games today I won't push it

Somehow I'm sitting at a 72 GXE as well

GXE is so dumb and inconsistent

If you're like top 100 and then go win-lose-win-lose repeat you're GXE will usually go up until like 75

[foggy lodge]

Frankfurt and Monterrey this weekend

I can't wait for the most horrible teams to win the tournaments

[forest arrow]

Mausape lol

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/shover-its-shover-shotaro-hidari-over-gif-16061864704528859433

[cyan smelt]

I don't think sniper kingdra is it, it needs to be fast to get the crits in and without tailwind it's base 85

[shadow wind]

I just got +9 and then +8 elo

This is not the life I want to live

[waxen dock]

cause you got paired up against lower elo players

[shadow wind]

Wait what??

I had no clue that's how that worked thank you so much

Like dog I know 😭

[waxen dock]

in showdown

ad probably in online comps too

[shadow wind]

Dog what are we doing right now

There's no way you're explaining elo gain to me

[cyan smelt]

What's your team

[waxen dock]

reg h or reg j?

[shadow wind]

Reg H

I don't mess with Reg J

[sharp cobalt]

Someone won a tournament with only bug types???

[waxen dock]

was it james baek?

[sharp cobalt]

I just came across a Wolfe video detailing the team

With an EVIOLITE VENONAT?

[sharp cobalt]

I want to know honestly

[waxen dock]

idk

[sharp cobalt]

My time as a grass type trainer has come

Twas a team of Venonat, Lokix, Ribombee, Araquanid, Kleavor and Volcarona

[cyan smelt]

I watched some games earlier with a ghost type monoteam

[sharp cobalt]

Based

[short quiver]

im watching a cybertron video from back in reg H and what was his opponents team cooking 😭

Tsareena Rilla Meow Florges Inteleon Delphox

what the fuck is this 😭

[sharp cobalt]

Starters and queens

[short quiver]

well yeah, but what do they do together 😭

[sharp cobalt]

Slay

[short quiver]

if thats the case they failed cuz they lost miserably

[sharp cobalt]

Not that slay

[short quiver]

the characters slayed iconically yeah

but they didnt slay in there functionalities

delphox was putting in work for sure though

[rustic mountain]

The Elo system wasn’t born in the world of video games. It actually comes from chess! Arpad Elo, a Hungarian-American physics professor, created the system for the World Chess Federation back in the 1960s.

The genius of Elo’s system was that it could accurately rank players even if they hadn’t played against everyone else. This made it perfect for big tournaments and leagues where not everyone could face off against each other.

When competitive video gaming started to take off, game developers realized they needed a fair way to rank players. They looked at what worked in other competitive fields, and boom – Elo made the jump from chess boards to gaming consoles and PCs.

[shadow wind]

I feel so much smarter

Also guess what elo I am now

[rustic mountain]

idk

1625

[shadow wind]

1375 !!

[rustic mountain]

damn

[shadow wind]

Titled against endless 1300s players

Currently taking a break

[rustic mountain]

did u play the gc

[shadow wind]

I need a better MausApe answer

Nah

I've only ever done one GC

And I was with Mamoswine

[rustic mountain]

"its not bo3"

[shadow wind]

Nah I can do bo1 when I'm using a bo1 team

[cyan smelt]

Indeedee sneasler is your mausape answer

[shadow wind]

But when I'm using a fair team I have a disadvantage

[shadow wind]

I'm trying to not use Indeedee sneasler

[cyan smelt]

Then dozo

[shadow wind]

I had dozo in my builder

[rustic mountain]

then u realized dozo is not based

[rustic mountain]

this is not a good thing

[shadow wind]

The whole point of Bo1 is to surprise your opponent

And if I'm using a standard team it's working against me

[rustic mountain]

no it isnt lmao

because its bo1 some ppl rely on the surprise factor to win or gain advantage but its not inherent to bo1 play

[cyan smelt]

I wasn't using mausape I was using greninja ape

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkejPsxU4vs&t=2729s
u should watch this conner, actually perfect timing for wat ur thinking is the case for bo1 wen it really isnt. toler got #1 in na using an insanely standard team and even speaks to the misconception of having to rely on surprise or jank to win consistently in bo1

[shadow wind]

It's pretty hard to deny that surprise factor is a huge part though

[rustic mountain]

its not

it can be a factor tho

its not as big of a part of the bo1 experience as u may believe is my point

[shadow wind]

Most likely true

The tilt still lingers in my head from earlier

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

I love finding excuses !

[rustic mountain]

excuses are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink

[cyan smelt]

I'll watch that video later ty tree

[rustic mountain]

🫡

[cyan smelt]

I'm not going to try wacky ideas anymore, should have known that sniper kingdra is too slow without tailwind

[shadow wind]

I will probably watch it

[rustic mountain]

u should

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt just stop trying out off the wall stuff, u never know wat might work but id say the intention behind wat ur choosing and why ur choosing it matters outside of hey this idea is cool

[shadow wind]

"I like how Groudon looks !"

[cyan smelt]

Yeah the only intention I had with it was hey, powered up crit draco meteors seem cool, I forgot to check kingdra's base stats

[rustic mountain]

yea thats wat i mean tho

[stray badger]

Hii

[shadow wind]

Hello

[rustic mountain]

is zurby like kirbys long lost 5th cousin or something

[shadow wind]

No that's Keebee

Kibi?

[cyan smelt]

Zurby is like a foreign Arby's

[shadow wind]

Not sure how it's spelt, anyway it's yellow Kirby

I miss old dragonite sets 😔

[cyan smelt]

Non scale shot sets?

[shadow wind]

Choice band tera normal espeed

That's the Dnite I wanna fight and use

Not scale shot + 3 non attacking moves 😔

[stray badger]

No one’s stopping you

[rustic mountain]

no thats bizarro kirby

[stray badger]

You can do it I believe in you

[cyan smelt]

Was watching a game on showdown and saw a room service dragonite, wtf

[rustic mountain]

gotta be sub 1200

[cyan smelt]

I forget what elo

[shadow wind]

I might have to use...

Weezing...

[cyan smelt]

Just don't use slaking

[shadow wind]

But he's lowkey the best partner

[rustic mountain]

weezing is ight

[shadow wind]

I'm thinking in my head about what annoys me

[cyan smelt]

Use hisuian typhlosion with it

[shadow wind]

And it's a lot of abilities

[rustic mountain]

https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/get-shiny-koraidon-or-shiny-miraidon-at-gamestop-and-eb-games

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah I saw that

Is it really only in Canada and AUS?

[rustic mountain]

u.s, canada and aus yea

[cyan smelt]

USA, Japan and nz too

[rustic mountain]

there u go

[shadow wind]

Oh I didn't see USA

[rustic mountain]

gamestop is in the u.s

[shadow wind]

That's good

Canada also has Gamestop

[rustic mountain]

yea

[cyan smelt]

How long does GameStop have left realistically

[shadow wind]

Although it used to not be gamestop

[rustic mountain]

as long as ppl keep buying funko pops

[shadow wind]

Y'all know of EB games?

[rustic mountain]

rip eb games

atleast in the u.s

[shadow wind]

I miss it 😔

My local one got bought out by Gamestope

[rustic mountain]

r u canada or u.s

[shadow wind]

Canada

Western to be more specific

[rustic mountain]

ahh gotcha

yea atleast in the u.s i think eb games is all but gone

it still exists in aus

[short quiver]

what if i have both games can i get both dragons

[rustic mountain]

u can claim both yea

[short quiver]

epiccc

and it would be gamestop for me i assume

[rustic mountain]

if ur u.s or canada, yea

[shadow wind]

Can you not claim both if you have only 1 of the games?

[short quiver]

‘Murica

[rustic mountain]

u can only claim the restricted opposite of the game u own

[shadow wind]

So I get Miraidon, interesting

[short quiver]

so people like me with both games eatin’ good

[rustic mountain]

i mean, im gna get both codes, ill just have some1 w/ scarlet claim it on an alt

[shadow wind]

True

[short quiver]

i assume its single use code? so i cant get it on multiple accounts on the same system?

[rustic mountain]

ud assume correct

[shadow wind]

Ok wait tree

What if we both got 2 codes and then traded

[short quiver]

oh well i only care about one of my accounts anyways. my vgc Scalet account

[rustic mountain]

some places give out multiple codes tho or if u want multiple and they dont just go to 2-3 gamestops

[shadow wind]

Epic trade deal amiright

[short quiver]

chat should i start an actual VGC account 😃

[rustic mountain]

id definitely claim the code for u conner, but i had someone else that was gna claim it for me

[shadow wind]

Dude that'd be so fire

Tree my goat 🙏

[short quiver]

we get the shiny treasures and rhe shiny dragons in the same month we so winning rn

now when we gonna get the shiny horses and the shiny rabbit

[rustic mountain]

gen 10

[short quiver]

probably

[rustic mountain]

who tf is the shiny rabbit

[short quiver]

calyrex

[rustic mountain]

urshifu is not a rabbit

[shadow wind]

😭

[rustic mountain]

is calyrex a rabbit

🤨

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani/calyrex.gif

[short quiver]

yes

[shadow wind]

Yeah it is

[stray badger]

I think he’s a broccoli

[short quiver]

broccoli rabbit

fuckin carrot muncher

[shadow wind]

That sounded derogatory

[rustic mountain]

google says its a hare not a rabbit

[short quiver]

is that racist 🥀

[short quiver]

a hare is a species of rabbit

[shadow wind]

Yeah it looks like it's kinda furry

[short quiver]

🤓☝️

[shadow wind]

Has a couple of "hairs"

[short quiver]

id get shamed for mentioning genshin impact or id call you Cyno rn

[rustic mountain]

different physical attributes and its a separate species

they are under the same family tho

[short quiver]

still a carrot muncher 🥀

[woven pelican]

we have hoyo gamers in the server, no one's shaming anyone for playing genshin

[short quiver]

cool 😃

[shadow wind]

At least all the Gen 8 dlc shinies that aren't released suck

Actually the spectrier one is pretty good

[short quiver]

shiny spectrier would like a word

[rustic mountain]

was gna say spectriers is fire

too bad once it fuses w/ calyrex it loses its shiny color

[short quiver]

yo when we getting shiny ogerpon and shiny rappa 😃

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/spectrier.gif

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/gen5-shiny/ogerpon-hearthflame.png

[rustic mountain]

shiny rappa?

[short quiver]

turtle. pagos. rappa.

[rustic mountain]

[short quiver]

did i see ninja queen rappa mentioned just now

[woven pelican]

who the fuck just said rappa from hsr

[shadow wind]

Tree you gotta start guessing at this point

[short quiver]

when i say rappa i mean pagos. cuz it says Rappa in Horizons

so thats what i call it

i also usually call Ogerpon Poni

[stray badger]

I have no idea what you’re saying

[short quiver]

im speaking me language ofc you dont

Rappa=Terapagos
Poni=Ogerpon

[stray badger]

Oh

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/urshifu-rapidstrike.gif

[short quiver]

kinda trash actually

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/urshifu.gif

[rustic mountain]

oh i dont watch horizons

seen some clips tho the animation is fire

[short quiver]

its so good gang

but yeah rappa is cute little turtle boi

*tortoise

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/calyrex.gif

[short quiver]

thats so badddd 😭

its yellow instead of white. so cool and creative Nintendo

[tiny karma]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/ani-shiny/glastrier.gif

[short quiver]

and its like a purplish color instead of ice blue. also trash.

back to my question shiny poni and rappa when

[knotty mirage]

We just got shiny lizard this month maybe next year

[shadow wind]

Why can't y'all just say their names 😭

[short quiver]

we’re also getting a shiny fidh, saber tooth tiger, snail???, and moose as well

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-jax-digital-circus-jax-jax-tadc-tadc-jax-gif-12666637074902366997

[rustic mountain]

id say shiny releases after these guys prolly marks it for the end of this gen

id imagine stuff like pagos and the horses ogerpon would b gen 10 or gen 11 da equivalent

[short quiver]

if nintendo even lasts for a gen 11

[rustic mountain]

?

[short quiver]

they been doin some wild shit lately

[rustic mountain]

nintendo is doing extremely well

[shadow wind]

Probably better than ever

[rustic mountain]

yea

[short quiver]

i said wild shit i said nothing about there success

[knotty mirage]

I mean it could end up like swsh as well when they released both shiny dog and shiny bird but no shiny bear and horses

[shadow wind]

There's an extremely loud minority

Just like Silk song 😔

I can't believe they actually make the early game easier

[rustic mountain]

u already beat it

wat do u care

[short quiver]

so he can replay it obviously

[rustic mountain]

u trynna uphold a certain standard of gaming integrity for the community at large?

[shadow wind]

Nah I just think it's kinda dumb

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[shadow wind]

I personally thought the difficulty was fine

[short quiver]

i havent even gotten to silksong yet im still on HK and IM mad they changed stuff in Silksong

[stray badger]

Omg same

[shadow wind]

But in like a week I probably won't even care

[rustic mountain]

seems about right

[short quiver]

thank you genshin for finally giving me Mona

[shadow wind]

I do find a lot of peoples complaints unreasonable but not like I can change their opinions

[short quiver]

its been 3 years without her 🥀

[shadow wind]

I do like how they are listening to the community though

That's really nice to hear

I lowkey wish Nintendo would do that even a little bit but eh

Like the whole mario kart world situation is so tragic

[stray badger]

Does anyone wanna do a double battle??

[real prairie]

#1046572041421197352

[cyan smelt]

Hi jack how's things

[solid frigate]

I honestly prefer Air Riders now

[real prairie]

I still can't decide on a 5th and 6th haha

but then ive had a bit of a hit financially too, so not even sure i can make Lille or Gdansk so it might not matter 🤣

my win rate with my 4 = 86% my win rate any time i add 2 other pokemon = 12% LOL

[boreal mauve]

Shiny Spectrier

Provided by Nexus-Z

[real prairie]

Speaking of Shinies, Good News Shiny Box Legendaries finally being rolled out, bad news its in stores in Japan to start with

[upper zealot]

im pretty sure it's also gonna be in the us and canada in a few weeks

[real prairie]

in store roll outs for a fanbase with nutoriously bad social anxiety is always fun 🤣

[cyan smelt]

I need to find a team and start practising for Brisbane soon

[real prairie]

Apparently 18% of 1700+ players are running max Atk max Speed Adamant Dondozo

surely you would run bulky set?

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I just need to consume more vgc content and I'll learn about what sort of mons and play style suit me that way

[stone trellis]

When's Brisbane?

In early November?

You have a month and a half to prepare yourself.

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2440202950

[real prairie]

252 Atk Sharpness Gallade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Incineroar: 192-228 (95 - 112.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Sharpness Gallade is a monster

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2440216084

THE KING AND HIS MOTORCYCLE CANNOT BE STOPPED!

[red willow]

Leading Pao into Mirai outspeeding and clicking ice spinner feels so good lol

[stone trellis]

This is why Volc is the GOAT.

Breaks Sash, chips it and can potentially proc a burn while walling Ice Spinner anyway.

[red willow]

Naw they just went balls to the wall and lead mirai nala lol

I think the only reason I won was honestly a crit from draco meteor off bolt lmao

[stone trellis]

MiraiNala is so cringe, man.

Out of the big three restricted duos, it's honestly the one with the least amount of creativity.

CSR-Zama constantly reinvents itself and CIR-Miraidon can have six different sets based on the items of the two restricteds alone.

[red willow]

For reg j Im trying ArceuCSR lmao its been not too bad so far

Arceus chonky espeeds hit what astral doesnt typically

Also tera normal espeed plus silk scarf next to pao unironically kills some squishier things before they get to do a damn thing lol

[stone trellis]

Tera Fairy Farig loves this.

That + Incin.

But hey, at least it's a good duo.

Have you ever thought about using Psyshock on CSR?

It can turn into a nuke from Sword of Ruin too.

[red willow]

Naw that might be pretty spicy

Also prolly has some weird calcs where it would kill lower def invested mons lol

[stone trellis]

It definitely does more into Koraidon and Miraidon.

[red willow]

For sure for sure may be worth testing out

Urshifu r hasnt been performing the greatest really think I liked him more on rain

But hitting thru protect is too good sometimes

[stone trellis]

100 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Psychic vs. 28 HP / 28 SpD Koraidon: 213-252 (118.9 - 140.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
100 SpA Life Orb Sword of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Psyshock vs. 28 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 229-273 (127.9 - 152.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So on Tera Fire Korai, that's 59-70% for the first one and 64-76% for the second one.

Miraidon's obviously taking more since its base Defense is lower than its Special Defense already.

100 SpA Life Orb Sword of Ruin Calyrex-Shadow Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 130-153 (73.8 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
100 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Miraidon: 99-117 (56.2 - 66.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[red willow]

Yeah seems promising I'll slot it in when I run a few on ladder later and see how it goes

[stone trellis]

Good luck.

[next stump]

man I hope LZA has pokemon in champions soon

I wanna use the new megas

[solid frigate]

i'm happy about what they did for ZA

[real prairie]

I always Ice Spin into the partner incase its faster or a speed tie or a tera, works brilliantly

[real prairie]

No surpises there lol

[solid frigate]

Me when Mega Greninja is officially announced

[real prairie]

*was officially announced 😉

[solid frigate]

now i have no excuse to not bring my trump card into one of the tournaments if EUIC and bham are champions

[real prairie]

Don't think Bham will be champions, too soon

think will be post next worlds

also new mega ||Raichu ||is cool

[stone trellis]

||Which one?||

[dense latch]

||getting 5 megas out of nowhere in the span of like two minutes was crazy, i wasn't expecting any pokemon news ngl||

[real prairie]

both

[atomic mural]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2440284870-a3orn02hreyt241toub6fmk4ntehiwspw first game of reg j

[polar canyon]

||we also had dlc announced before the game even released do you realize how insane that is||

||they literally could have just made it base game at launch but want more money||

Sadly one of the coolest media franchises seems to be owned by the worst gaming company of all time

[rustic mountain]

eh id rather dlc then something like pla where all we get is a daybreak update

also mega raichu

[real prairie]

Be careful before sending your favourite Comp mons to Z-A...

[polar canyon]

Wow why

[solid frigate]

this is a bit stupid

we can do that in PLA so why not here

[polar canyon]

That seems like something they could have easily made possible

More confirmation that the game was still rushed even with delays

[real prairie]

id imagine something about the way it changes them to match the new battle style removing abilities causes drama

[polar canyon]

But if they wanted to they could have kept a hidden value for unused stats just so the game knows what to do when sending back to home

If that's what the issue is than that's all it would take to fix it

[real prairie]

yeah its a bit lazy

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2440330518

Icy might be the GOAT.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2440337581

[rustic mountain]

https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1966524229895012565?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Note: For clarification, Mega Chesnaught, Mega Delphox and Mega Greninja cannot be obtained in normal gameplay.

Their Mega Stones are obtained as rank up rewards in the first 3 Z-A Battle Club Ranked Seasons

https://t.co/NWlAdn57aQ

X · Sep 12, 2025, 3:28 PM

[solid frigate]

man i have to buy the game in like first few days

cuz of Greninja's Mega stone

[rustic mountain]

idt the ranked season would start immediately, prolly beginning of november

but yea weird choice for distribution especially since its 4v4 ranked lmao

[waxen dock]

is it the weird format or some vgc format?

i really hope there will be rentals

[rustic mountain]

weird format its completely different gameplay then vgc turn based its real time fluid based battling

[waxen dock]

ok f this

this anit battles

aint

[rustic mountain]

yeeesh lmao

didnt realize they were jumping like right into it

thats like fuckin day 3 of the games life

[short quiver]

CHAT CHAT

MEGA RAICHU

[rustic mountain]

we know

its hype

[short quiver]

im so happy gang. i get Mega Delhpox and Mega Raichu in the same game

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-bocchi-dance-anime-dance-anime-cute-dance-gif-8640564821222907754

not sure what i plan to do with a mega raichu but ill find something

[solid frigate]

i have the most pressure cuz i want mega Greninja

[short quiver]

why is that pressure

[rustic mountain]

read the chat above

[short quiver]

i did and im still confused

they expect us to perform online battles in that type of game format?

[rustic mountain]

yes

if u want the mega stones for the kalos starters

[short quiver]

WHAT

https://tenor.com/view/sad-angry-cry-upset-anime-gif-24905129

[rustic mountain]

clearly didnt read the chat above haha

[short quiver]

i saw the greninja thing for october 18th

[gentle crag]

https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1966524229895012565?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Note: For clarification, Mega Chesnaught, Mega Delphox and Mega Greninja cannot be obtained in normal gameplay.

Their Mega Stones are obtained as rank up rewards in the first 3 Z-A Battle Club Ranked Seasons

https://t.co/NWlAdn57aQ

X · Sep 12, 2025, 3:28 PM

treeco. (ID 669294124649676800)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Sep 12, 2025, 4:57 PM

[rustic mountain]

^

[short quiver]

DAMN YOU NINTENDO

DAMN YOU

[solid frigate]

i'm not letting my trump card get away

[short quiver]

i cant let my mega delphox escape either

[short quiver]

so idc about the first season i just gotta wait for mega delphox

[rustic mountain]

might as well go for all of em

in case they r good in comp

[solid frigate]

i will bring Greninja in Bham or EUIC if it is good or something and if its champions

Dunno

[short quiver]

BST of 630. they better cook with these stat spreads as well

[rustic mountain]

and if they dont?

[solid frigate]

i'm just happy that greninja got a form that isn't tied to just ash

idc about the stats

[short quiver]

then ill still use delphox anyways, ill just be crying myself to sleep every night

[rustic mountain]

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 655: Delphox

Types

Fire/Psychic

Abilities

Blaze, Magician (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/69/72/114/100/104

Total

534

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

excuse me bst of 634

all she needs is some more SpA and some HP tbh

[dense latch]

megas never boost HP

[short quiver]

then speed cuz they for sure wont stack all 100 points in SpA

214 base special attack is not gonna happen 😭

can it also give her a different ability than magician 😭

i told my friend about mega raichu and they replied to me with “ugh” 😒

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 26: Raichu

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Lightning Rod (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/90/55/90/80/110

Total

485

Other Formes

Raichu-Alola

Sableye version 4.28.4

[rustic mountain]

i did not know that lmao

[red willow]

If I was my oppo Id be malding just hit 2x crits in a row with espeed lmao

[short quiver]

when we go back to Champions for VGC what are the speed tiers gonna be with mega evolutions 😭

[rustic mountain]

well see

[polar canyon]

Info on mega raichu x on the website mentions how it uses its power on its tail to levitate and how it's a more defensive form

Defensive no weakness mega

Mega eelektross in spirit

[short quiver]

so mega raichu X is defensive?? they flipped it from charizard and mewtwo then

levitate raichu?

or maybe electric flying somehow and keeps lightning rod?

[polar canyon]

It was not a very precise description so maybe it's only a little bulkier

It could also not even have levitate

Not every pokemon that physically levitates has the levitate ability

[short quiver]

they should make it electric flying

[polar canyon]

Both pure electric confirmed

[short quiver]

not a single original thought in their minds istg

it has huge ass ears make them wings gang 😭

[polar canyon]

They also took away raichu's paws he's an amputee now

Mega raichu x has no hands

[foggy lodge]

Why does Excadrill has so much HP wtf

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 530: Excadrill

Types

Ground/Steel

Abilities

Sand Rush, Sand Force, Mold Breaker (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

110/135/60/50/65/88

Total

508

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

maybe it will have iron fist 😁

[polar canyon]

For boosting thunder punch and nothing else

[tiny karma]

Raichu's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double Kick, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Extreme Speed, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Flail, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heart Stamp, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Nuzzle, Pay Day, Play Rough, Present, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Slam, Spark, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Upper Hand, Volt Tackle, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Disarming Voice, Discharge, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mud-Slap, Rising Voltage, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Bestow, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charge, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Detect, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Follow Me, Growl, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hold Hands, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magnet Rise, Mimic, Nasty Plot, Play Nice, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Safeguard, Sing, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Tail Whip, Teeter Dance, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Wish, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Raichu.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

new game, new move options

it also boosts focus punch and dynamic punch i believe

they should also make a mega pikachu and have it kinda like rayquaza but instead of knowing its signature move dragon ascent it hold its light ball item

and before anyone says thats not possible gmax pikachu and eevee would like a word

[real prairie]

I think ive got it boys https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2440424051

[real prairie]

What a battle!

[stone trellis]

So 60 Attack and Special Attack?

[short quiver]

what?

[stone trellis]

Which turns into 246 after the Light Ball.

[short quiver]

which is, might i say, quite high

[stone trellis]

I'm asking what Mega Pikachu's attacking stats would be.

[stone trellis]

But it is Pikachu, so it doesn't really matter.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 25: Pikachu

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Lightning Rod (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

35/55/40/50/50/90

Total

320

Other Formes

Pikachu-Cosplay, Pikachu-Rock-Star, Pikachu-Belle, Pikachu-Pop-Star, Pikachu-PhD, Pikachu-Libre, Pikachu-Original, Pikachu-Hoenn, Pikachu-Sinnoh, Pikachu-Unova, Pikachu-Kalos, Pikachu-Alola, Pikachu-Partner, Pikachu-Starter, Pikachu-World

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

they can add more than 10 points in offense

[foggy lodge]

The Mega Raichus are gonna be super meta

[short quiver]

im sure

i wish X could have been electric flying that kept lightning rod

[stone trellis]

Either having Electric Surge would be great.

[polar canyon]

They showed the stones already

Oh pikachu

[stone trellis]

Especially if that variant is also physical to take advantage of Volt Tackle and Fake Out.

[short quiver]

am i cooking

[polar canyon]

Yeah doesn't make sense conceptually because mega evolution is going beyond the limits of regular evolution

But pikachu didn't even hit the normal limit yet

[foggy lodge]

Lightning rod is already good enough

[polar canyon]

Gigantamax is just big mode

[short quiver]

pikachu has a lot of good forms that all can’t evolve

and has its own zmove

[foggy lodge]

I can't wait to see an endgame of Raichus who can't touch each other because of lightning rod

[stone trellis]

Alluring Voice it is.

[short quiver]

💀

[stone trellis]

Tera Fairy Alluring Voice Raichu is in the top 3 funniest anti-Miraidon tools.

Right next to Adamant Iron Valiant.

[forest arrow]

Closest we are getting to gorochu lol

I love Raichu Y

[short quiver]

all they had to do was make raichu X fly with its ears and dual tails

electric flying. come on Nintendo 😭😭

[foggy lodge]

Why would it do that

[short quiver]

cuz those ears are huge

[stone trellis]

I wish Noivern got a Mega.

Just give bro Aerilate or some ability which boosts sound moves.

Imagine Aerilate Boomburst.

[short quiver]

punk rock is right there

[stone trellis]

Perhaps they could make a clone of that ability and rename it.

[short quiver]

they wouldnt reuse aerilate on a dragon flying thats salamence’ thing

[stone trellis]

Pinsir:

Nevermind, I'm dumb.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 127: Pinsir-Mega

Types

Bug/Flying

Abilities

Aerilate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/155/120/65/90/105

Total

600

Base Species

Pinsir

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

that’s not a dragon

it does have aerilate though

[stone trellis]

Aerilate is such a cracked ability.

[short quiver]

it is really good

so is pixilate

[stone trellis]

I kind of want to make a Fire equivalent to those two.

[short quiver]

what if mega delphox gets that ability

a fire type version of pixilate/Aerilate

[stone trellis]

Does it get many good Normal moves?

Or even two?

[short quiver]

i think hypervoice

[tiny karma]

Delphox's moveset:

Physical Moves

Covet, Cut, Facade, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Iron Tail, Low Kick, Power-Up Punch, Return, Scratch, Secret Power, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Dazzling Gleam, Dream Eater, Echoed Voice, Ember, Expanding Force, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Heat Wave, Hex, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Incinerate, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Mystical Fire, Night Shade, Overheat, Psybeam, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Round, Scorching Sands, Shadow Ball, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Calm Mind, Charm, Confide, Confuse Ray, Copycat, Double Team, Embargo, Encore, Endure, Helping Hand, Howl, Hypnosis, Imprison, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Role Play, Safeguard, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Switcheroo, Tail Whip, Telekinesis, Toxic, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Wish, Wonder Room, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Delphox.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

hypervoice

[stone trellis]

Nice.

[short quiver]

and swift but why would you use swift when hypervoice is right there

[stone trellis]

As a single-target move.

[short quiver]

so what hypervoice swift Eforce protect? or like shadow ball with Specs or smthn?

[stone trellis]

Specs how?

It's a Mega.

[short quiver]

lmao its been too long without mega

im losing it gang

so hypervoice swift eforce protect

[stone trellis]

I still remember when I first saw Mega Rayquaza.

It was around 2018.

[short quiver]

or mystical fire instead of swift

[stone trellis]

It was the coolest shit ever.

Maybe a coverage move to deal with Incin walling it.

[foggy lodge]

Fire hyper voice is just a slightly better heat wave

[short quiver]

and cant miss 😃

[foggy lodge]

Is an okay buff but it doesn't change a lot for the mon xd

[short quiver]

well with the buff from mega evo stats it should be fine right?

[stone trellis]

Way better since it has 108 BP and 10% more accuracy.

[short quiver]

sun psyspam would be too complicated to use both sun and psyterrain right?

to boost fire hypervoice and mysticalfire/swift and eforce at the same time

[forest arrow]

No 45mice ran Sun Psyspam in Reg G

[short quiver]

i wonder if hisuian pokemon will be in the game

[foggy lodge]

Koraidon Iron Crown was basically that

[foggy lodge]

There were already confirmed

[short quiver]

so i can use hisuian zoroark 😃

[tiny karma]

Zoroark-Hisui's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Brick Break, Comeuppance, Crunch, Dig, Facade, Fling, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Knock Off, Lash Out, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Phantom Force, Poltergeist, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Skitter Smack, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, U-turn

Special Moves

Bitter Malice, Burning Jealousy, Dark Pulse, Extrasensory, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Icy Wind, Night Shade, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Snarl, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Curse, Detect, Endure, Fake Tears, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Imprison, Leer, Memento, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Protect, Psych Up, Rain Dance, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Spite, Substitute, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Trick, Will-O-Wisp

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zoroark-Hisui.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[foggy lodge]

Zoroark Hisui has to be one of the most horrible Pokémon to fight against in reg H

Forcing flip coins since turn 1

[short quiver]

you dont know if its real or if its a bluff

[foggy lodge]

Exactly

[stone trellis]

Urshifu Rapid Strike, please save us.

[short quiver]

although there are for sure moves that give it away

[foggy lodge]

THE POKEMON HAS WEAKNESSES WHAT???

[short quiver]

i thought he mentioned reg h. interesting that urshifu water seems to be legal 😐

[foggy lodge]

Rapidshifu would solve this meta

[short quiver]

it has one weakness which is unfortunately a very bad type to be weak to rn

[foggy lodge]

Or maybe not I don't want another buff to Archa rain LMAO

[short quiver]

like why its one weakness gotta be dark

[foggy lodge]

Tapu Fini would solve all of SV metas

[short quiver]

i would love tapu fini rn gang

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 788: Tapu Fini

Types

Water/Fairy

Abilities

Misty Surge, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/75/115/95/130/85

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

😃

tapu koko would also be game breaking

[foggy lodge]

Maybe in other formats like reg F

Its meh when restricteds come

[short quiver]

it enables eterrain without mirai

and isnt restricted as far as im aware

i dont see why it would be stats arent high enough

[foggy lodge]

Exactly

Just use Miraidon for paradox mons

[stone trellis]

Koko would be great for Reg F.

[short quiver]

tapu lele would also be so good for psyspam teams

[stone trellis]

Darkshifu fodder frfr

[short quiver]

they knew what they were doing when they left them outta the game

[short quiver]

i assume the tapus did fold Urshifu in SWSH vgc

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu wasn't used a lot during sw/sh

[dense latch]

i miss fini so much

[foggy lodge]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko in Electric Terrain: 142-168 (97.9 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO ain't no way

[short quiver]

its goatness wasnt recognized yet?

[foggy lodge]

Its not even modest😭

[foggy lodge]

No it was just bad

Dynamax didn't really benefit it and once restricteds came it became harder for it to work

It also was Zacian's generation

[short quiver]

everything feared zacian

even other zacian fr

[stone trellis]

Not everybody can be Iron GOAT.

It defo dies to Tera Fairy DGleam.

[short quiver]

sylveon probably also gave it a hard time

[foggy lodge]

Sylveon was nowhere when Urshifu arrived

[stone trellis]

Scarf Shifu is currently great because it loves digging into CSR.

[short quiver]

i should try pixilate quick attack sylveon

[stone trellis]

Also, can someone calc 252 Adamant Tera Dark Knock Off from Iron Valiant into itemless max HP max Defense Indeedee?

The fucker used Follow Me and it lived at 2%, I'm curious to see if an OHKO was even possible.

[foggy lodge]

What really changed Urshifu's life was dynamax not being a thing anymore

[short quiver]

dynamax doubled mons hp stats right

[foggy lodge]

Tera helps it but it isn't a huge boost unlike Dragonite or other mons

[stone trellis]

The idea of Ice Rider using Dynamax scares me.

[short quiver]

it loses its spread though

[foggy lodge]

When the CSRs used mudshot to get the max earth move lmao

[stone trellis]

33% boost to Glacial Lance, yeah.

Miraidon dies.

[short quiver]

to deal with who

[jade dust]

I fucking hate Chesnaught

But this

[foggy lodge]

Incin

[jade dust]

This looks amazing

[short quiver]

ah

[polar canyon]

Snow cir from max move would have been a neat tech

[short quiver]

im so excited for delphox and raichu

[real prairie]

252 Atk Tera Dark Iron Valiant Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Indeedee-F: 116-138 (65.5 - 77.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[polar canyon]

Peak

God of body press is coming

[jade dust]

Yeah they fixed Chesnaught’s terrible base look

[short quiver]

zamazenta but grass 😭

[jade dust]

This is such a cool mega

[polar canyon]

Imo chesnaught would be loved if it was an old starter, the only "issue" it has is being simple compared to the others but I don't see many people complaining about gen 2 starters for how simple and plain they look

[jade dust]

I like what they did with the X and Y mega tbh. It’s a small change but a cool one

[stone trellis]

After Electric Terrain?

[short quiver]

i wish mega raichu X was electric flying and it flew with its ears and dual tails

[jade dust]

I honestly don’t like the gen 2 starters

And from gen 1 I only like Charizard

Venusaur is ugly

[stone trellis]

I only like Mega Charizard.

[jade dust]

Blastoise is too simple

Tbh I only like a few starters

[polar canyon]

Goat quaquaval

[short quiver]

i just found out 2 days blastoise learns fake out

[polar canyon]

Blastoise doesn't even look like it can clap its hands

[jade dust]

I only like Charizard, Swampert, Sceptile, Empoleon, Serperior, Greninja, and Decidueye

The rest are ugly or boring imo

[polar canyon]

That tells a lot about you

[short quiver]

delphox hate will not be tolerated

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-last-crusade-blasphemy-harrison-ford-sean-connery-gif-1154782776413268761

[jade dust]

Base form is ugly

[real prairie]

leave the obvious furry alone

[short quiver]

It’s a witch. What more do you want from it?

[polar canyon]

I'd argue mega is uglier I think base form is nice

They gave the mega a beard

But not a cool wizard beard

It's awkwardly split in the middle

I do think its cool that the mega strips away from trying to make delphox feminine by giving it a beard

[real prairie]

Whilst having hips like Beyonce

[short quiver]

in that case greninja is just a fucking frog, decidueye is a fucking bird, charizard is a flying lizard, pikachu is a fucking rat. not everyone is a furry because the like an animalistic pokemon 😭

[jade dust]

Ugly and simple I said

[real prairie]

You can't unsee it...

[polar canyon]

Hey all of them are simple but only one of them is ugly

[polar canyon]

No im still seeing that as a robe

[short quiver]

i can and i already have

[polar canyon]

Legs stretched out one foot on each end of the stick

Squatting a bit

[short quiver]

you try flying a broom

[real prairie]

that is not where the hips lie, but lets move on swiftly

[polar canyon]

Bro is riding a broom like a skateboard I think that's badass

[real prairie]

I hear this

[short quiver]

is this a shakira reference

[real prairie]

there was a pun in there, yes

[polar canyon]

Mega delphox is a badass wizard warlock broom skater

[short quiver]

yes

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-curry-gomez-addams-the-addams-family-hear-hear-correct-gif-4706527314515795511

[short quiver]

mega chesnaught is the next mega aggron

[dense latch]

who’s ready for mega delphox psyspam

[short quiver]

me im going to be doing it

[polar canyon]

I think all the new megas so far are really cool even if I don't get the hawlucha hype as much

I think its cool referencing real life classic luchadores

But other than the mask it looks the same but wider

[short quiver]

we got Rey Mysterio in pokemon

[polar canyon]

Looks more like a normal evo than a mega for me

When's mega jumpluff

We do have too many kanto megas but I'd also kill for a mega butterfree

[short quiver]

would it still have chlorophyl?

[polar canyon]

Aerilate

[short quiver]

i really hope delphox gets a fire version if pixilate/aerilate