you know, its crazy how that works
#competitive_discussion
plush lark
strange fjord
literally bc stab
short quiver
i mean being a normal restricted it gets stab hyperbeam
shadow wind
Terapagos not getting stab on tera starstorm after tera is so criminal
short quiver
is that why starstorm feels so weak π
shadow wind
Yes
strange fjord
spread + non-stab
stone trellis
20% difference at that level is quite big.
So the difference is 30%.
shadow wind
spread + non-stab
From 135
stone trellis
spread + non-stab
Hits everything for neutral with barely any multiplier stacking.
Also, 130.
shadow wind
135 isn't bad by any means but it's not restricted level
stone trellis
Pagos is 130, not 135.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
shadow wind
Oh my god he's terrible π
short quiver
fine ill snarl
strange fjord
fake pagos hater. doesnt even know the special stat
short quiver
Oh my god he's terrible π
but bulky
stone trellis
CC victim.
shadow wind
fake pagos hater. doesnt even know the special stat
Sorry too many 135 stats in Gen 9 I wasn't sure
Also my boy is a restricted
stone trellis
Stellar Terapagos' Special Attack and Icy's Special Defense are the same.
shadow wind
From Gen 9
stone trellis
Koraidon and Miraidon are 135s, but yeah.
short quiver
yk @stone trellis i learned a very interesting piece of info this morning
stone trellis
Which is?
short quiver
i can use base spectrier. its not restricted
stone trellis
No fucking shit.
shadow wind
π
short quiver
i didnt know that π
shadow wind
Absolutely zero sugar on that coat
short quiver
i had absolutely 0 idea the horses werent restricted
stone trellis
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, y'all are trash.
short quiver
its the fucking carrot muncher thats restricted
shadow wind
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, y'all are trash.
Wow
stone trellis
@shadow wind uses Groudon and Groudon-CIR was the first time I got to Master Ball, so he's spared.
shadow wind
Yippee !
stone trellis
But Vex, you are trash.
short quiver
im using scale shot korai and max speed icy
im cooking something and i havent burned the kitchen yet
stone trellis
I'm offering you a Bo3 match just so you can have a chance at recovering.
strange fjord
im trash 
stone trellis
So am I.
short quiver
I'm offering you a Bo3 match just so you can have a chance at recovering.
well yk who my taunt mon is so you can play around that
stone trellis
You know my entire team's EVs and moves.
shadow wind
im trash <a:nooovanish:1038440020207489054>
You use trash mons, I don't think that's your fault
short quiver
You know my entire team's EVs and moves.
so do you
shadow wind
Pikachu π©
stone trellis
You can form a game plan around it.
strange fjord
Pikachu moment
stone trellis
I can't be fucked to do the same, school starts tomorrow.
short quiver
Pikachu π©
PIKACHU IS GOATED YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH
strange fjord
i still have that replay lol
short quiver
how much does 4 hits of scale shot do to mirai π«
shadow wind
In the sun?
short quiver
mhm
short quiver
im jolly not adamant
shadow wind
Could always calc it
strange fjord
it does 0 damage if its tera fairy
short quiver
Could always calc it
i would if i wasnt working rn
shadow wind
My head calc says that a 252 jolly Koraidon in the sun using a 100 BP move will kill a Miraidon if no tera
shadow wind
it does 0 damage if its tera fairy
Jokes on you I tricked a ring target on and now I do 60% π€
strange fjord
stone trellis
Jesus Christ, can you people not just open up a tab on the damage calculator?
strange fjord
forbidden pikachu moment
short quiver
Jesus Christ, can you people not just open up a tab on the damage calculator?
well you know im at work so i have an excuse
strange fjord
all pikachu did was take down ttar
shadow wind
No proof that that's me
strange fjord
or did 99% damage to it
bold geode
||https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2249396080-vtipj9dgd2mbd9yu...
Blud really put a spoiler mark on his replay
shadow wind
For my safety
strange fjord
^^
bold geode
Are you the Pikachu?
short quiver
turn 1 endeavor is crazy
shadow wind
I wish
bold geode
So you lost to the Pikachu
short quiver
yes
shadow wind
The Pikachu is Pizza
bold geode
I'm taking away your street cred, hand it over
strange fjord
turn 1 endeavor is crazy
ez eq against two pokemon who are weak to it. Endeavor is good play. even if he used High Horsepower on Arch, Min HP Pikachu chunks TTar
bold geode
I feel like you got read like a book that game, I can't even say shit
shadow wind
With Groudon guys, come on that's at least going x-4 at a regional
shadow wind
I think that GXE was bad
bold geode
shadow wind
We don't need to show that
bold geode
Bro knows he's cooked
stone trellis
Unrelated, but I love how the moment I switched from Riolu to Iron Valiant I immediately won three games because of it.
bold geode
Gee I wonder why
short quiver
My head calc says that a 252 jolly Koraidon in the sun using a 100 BP move will ...
it does indeed kill
shadow wind
Thank goodness
stone trellis
I wanted to be able to use Coaching BEFORE Glacial Lance in TR.
shadow wind
The goat !
strange fjord
scraggy moment
bold geode
Scraggy low-key went hard
shadow wind
Give me mega scrafty
short quiver
Thank goodness
252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Scale Shot (4 hits) vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 240-288 (134.8 - 161.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lean ridge
I wanted to be able to use Coaching BEFORE Glacial Lance in TR.
I was running hitmontop with an iron ball for a bit to do the same thing but thatβs definitely more of a gimmick than anything π
I wanted the scraggy but with wide guard
stone trellis
252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Scale Shot (4 hits) vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Miraidon...
That should even OHKO AV variants.
short quiver
That should even OHKO AV variants.
and i dont even need the fifth scale
shadow wind
Just don't miss !
short quiver
Just don't miss !
loaded dice π
stone trellis
I was running hitmontop with an iron ball for a bit to do the same thing but tha...
Hold on, what was he cooking?
shadow wind
Loaded dice doesn't make scale shot 100% accurate
stone trellis
loaded dice π
90% accuracy.
short quiver
Loaded dice doesn't make scale shot 100% accurate
scale shot can miss?
shadow wind
π§
lean ridge
It was pretty fun and hitmontop has similar bulk to scraggy
stone trellis
It can and has.
short quiver
ive never had that problem lmao
lean ridge
Just gets nuked by psychic types
stone trellis
Tera Dark saves me yet again.
lean ridge
Yea I used it too, Iβd just spam wide guard and glacial lance so CSR was just walled
Unless it was running shadow ball
shadow wind
Nah
That mon don't need anything else
Actually matter of fact, take away that guys signature move
lean ridge
Bulky CIR with leech seed and grass coverage that also heals would be game breaking for sure
shadow wind
Leech seed + grass coverage is asking to get beaten by a fire type
short quiver
Leech seed + grass coverage is asking to get beaten by a fire type
the humble high horsepower:
shadow wind
Bro's not running glacial lance π
short quiver
but he is
lean ridge
Could be some good tech for Kyogre CIR I thought those teams usually run seed bomb Tera grass
shadow wind
We hate protect
lean ridge
we are giving CIR a new ability as well called As Two that lets it run a 5th move
strange fjord
Obv you're running 5 moves on Ice Rider
lean ridge
pizza gets it
short quiver
Obv you're running 5 moves on Ice Rider
no im just not running TR
solid frigate
Removing TR from Caly Ice is basically just makes it less Self Sufficient
short quiver
Removing TR from Caly Ice is basically just makes it less Self Sufficient
my max speed jolly icy in tailwind would like a word
solid frigate
Do I have to explain Tang Gang CIR Team again
lean ridge
Anyone have any suggestions on how to round out this Reg J team, not really a pro team builder just looking for smthn to push the leaderboard on cart ladder
short quiver
@solid frigate
real prairie
Anyone have any suggestions on how to round out this Reg J team, not really a pr...
probably just whimms, TW setter
lean ridge
makes sense ty
short quiver
bro brought up his tang gang cir and didnt even care to look at mine π
real prairie
Any suggestions for final 2? https://pokepast.es/b37c38f6f08f61d0
cyan smelt
maushold for redirection, beat up?
cyan smelt
yeah true
solid frigate
surely pop bomb > beat up?
If you are not running Ape you usually run Pop bomb yeah
If you run both ape and Archa then Beat up and make it supportive
real prairie
dont see myself running ape, im thinking life orb Talonflame
solid frigate
Attacker Talonflame in Rain huh
real prairie
4 Atk Life Orb Gale Wings Talonflame Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sneasler: 156-188 (100.6 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
short quiver
torrent did you see my icy π
rustic mountain
π€¨
real prairie
4 Atk Life Orb Gale Wings Talonflame Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Sne...
Run it with Defog to get rid of psychic terrain too
rustic mountain
another mega that keeps its original typing (malamar)
real prairie
Run it with Defog to get rid of psychic terrain too
this or misty terrain Whims
short quiver
another mega that keeps its original typing (malamar)
mega furret when π
lean ridge
No swords dance boosts just lorb and sword of ruin and it Ohkos miraidon I see why mythicals are always banned π
solid frigate
No swords dance boosts just lorb and sword of ruin and it Ohkos miraidon I see w...
Miraidon is less Physicaly bulky and your Arceus is effectively+2 with the multipliers
lean ridge
True, the STAB +2 prio move is smthn only arceus can do tho isnβt it
Idk calcs too well but would Tera normal dnite get that KO too
foggy lodge
No
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Sword of Ruin Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 153-181 (86.9 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
short quiver
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Sword of Ruin Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP ...
well it COULD its just unlikely
18.8% is 1 in 6 chance right?
real prairie
considering im going into battles with just a 4 mon team, im clearly cooking something...
cyan smelt
What's your 4 mon squad, talonflame, politoed, arch, ludicolo?
short quiver
i wish showdown had a match history menu
craggy dagger
@bold geode
you 
rustic mountain
reg j more like reg joke
shadow wind
What's Reg J?
rustic mountain
idk y ud act like u dont know wat it is given groudon is playable innit
shadow wind
No Victini π
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
yea that wouldve been funny
shadow wind
I was thinking about Groudon + Fire Arceus but my mind is so out of mons
rustic mountain
I was thinking about Groudon + Fire Arceus but my mind is so out of mons
watchu been playing
shadow wind
Silk Song !!!
shadow wind
short quiver
Silk Song !!!
hell yeah
shadow wind
Like a full time job at this point
Anyway since I was only playing Silk song I decided to come back to the Reg H Bo3 ladder
short quiver
i just played a guy who apparently doesnt know grassy terrain nerfs eq
shadow wind
Just for a teensy break
rustic mountain
they boutta nerf some of the bosses i saw
shadow wind
they boutta nerf some of the bosses i saw
So many whiners nowadays
short quiver
i made it to 1207 and then lost 4 games in a row π«
shadow wind
If the game is too hard don't play it
People wanna hop on the Silk Song hype train yet never did 112% in HK
Which is fine but don't complain about it
It's a hard game so what
rustic mountain
i think theres certainly a middleground, i always found difficulty adjustment pretty viable
gives both parties wat they want
shadow wind
There's an easy mode mod already
Yeah but difficulty is very hard to balance in metroid vanias
rustic mountain
something intrinsic to the game itself outside of mods
short quiver
what is the typical speed stat found on a Mirai in reg j do any of you know
rustic mountain
nah
rustic mountain
conner just has moss mother strats replaying in his head
shadow wind
It's true π
rustic mountain
shadow wind
I did a speedrun for an achievement and it took me 3 ish hours
rustic mountain
is that good?
shadow wind
The achievement is under 5 so it's alright
The only problem I have with people complaining is that usually they complain about the wrong things
short quiver
what is the typical speed stat found on a Mirai in reg j do any of you know
im asking cuz i wanna see if i can change my jolly nature to adamant
rustic mountain
The only problem I have with people complaining is that usually they complain ab...
u saw the copypasta?
rustic mountain
lemme see if i can find it
shadow wind
The whole point of the game is to explore, if you can't go a certain way because of a skill issue then go a different path and come back later
rustic mountain
shadow wind
Hollow Knight had such a quick way to become overpowered that people forgot how to play
short quiver
The whole point of the game is to explore, if you can't go a certain way because...
me with the mantis lords in HK
shadow wind
Mantis Lords is meant to be fought later but if you can beat it on the first visit that's awesome, but if you can't you just come back later
It's a big part of the game
rustic mountain
yea idk i cant find it
shadow wind
Unfortunate
rustic mountain
saw it earlier
short quiver
Mantis Lords is meant to be fought later but if you can beat it on the first vis...
i beat it earlier than i should have then
short quiver
entered the city of tears, upgraded my nail and then came back and crushed them
shadow wind
A lot of the draw is beating something earlier than you're supposed to
At least for me
short quiver
im in deepnest rn. im scared.
shadow wind
If I can fight a boss with the base kit and win I feel so goated
Do you have lantern?
short quiver
the only ability i dont have rn is the double jump
short quiver
Do you have lantern?
yeah
shadow wind
I remember when I did speedruns you had to memorize the rooms cause you don't buy lantern
The ones in deepnest anyway
shadow wind
"Do you ever get collector's anxiety?"
It plays in my head nonstop
Nah you're supposed to sell em, why else would they give you money for em
short quiver
i went to the area of city of tears where you fight the frog looking guy
beat him, went to the area below him with my new slam ability
and got merked by the flying guppy-balloon thingies
shadow wind
In Silk Song they go into a sort of museum so that's cool
No more collector's anxiety
short quiver
and got merked by the flying guppy-balloon thingies
so i lost 1k coins
shadow wind
That sucks
shadow wind
Fair
short quiver
now i need to escape deepnest and get the double jump
and the acid swimming tear thing
short quiver
But yeah you should go for em I guess
me want
im really good at pogoing
im so proud of myself for that
shadow wind
Well get ready for it to be completely different in silk song !
Why did they decide to name things like that
Silk Song - SS
Steel Soul - SS
So you could have a SSSS file
short quiver
theres a moveset thing i can get that allows me to have the downslash thing that the knight has
short quiver
so i can keep pogoing
shadow wind
But also you can't get it for a while
short quiver
i know π
shadow wind
So you will have to pogo with the diagonal for a bit
short quiver
i didnβt need to practice pogoing i just got it immediately
its not hard but still something to be proud of
shadow wind
Are you going for 112%?
short quiver
prolly not
im not a completionist
i just plan to get the sealed siblings ending if i can
shadow wind
Not a completionist π
short quiver
iont even complete the pokedex in pokemon games
short quiver
iont even complete the pokedex in pokemon games
and the pokemon are usually just thrown in your face nowadays
shadow wind
I think HK is my second most played game?
Oh wait it's definitely third
- Minecraft
- SSBU
- Hollow Knight
Now thinking it might be 4th after BotW
short quiver
i love that game
shadow wind
When IST got discovered I probably logged more hours on BotW than sleeping
short quiver
IST?
short quiver
immediately after starting a new file the first thing i do is run to korok forest and unlock the shrine next to the master sword
shadow wind
Or this?
short quiver
so i cna just teleport to it when i get the required hearts to get the sword
shadow wind
The glitched one hit obliterator is my favourite
short quiver
i didnt do the trial for the master bike
i had horses for a reason
im not ditching them for some wack ass bike
shadow wind
I did find all 900 koroks legit though so it is a 100% file
It's turbo maxed
I find those kinds of glitches really fun to do
I even made tutorials for some of them
I like getting a true understanding of how the game functions
Like now I know how BotW menus work to a tee
shadow wind
I wish I could play Regulation G again π
Or even Reg I
Reg G I had my ladder peak and Reg I I had my GXE peak
Can't wait to have an ego death
shadow wind
Why not play Reg H?
short quiver
because i dont want to
shadow wind
That's fair enough
short quiver
im using max speed jolly ice rider calyrex and scale shot koraidon
5 of my 6 teammembers are illegal in reg h π
korai, ice rider, walking wake, iron valiant, and goatpon
and then whimsicott the ever faithful
shadow wind
Whims is the goat
shadow wind
And that would be?
short quiver
And that would be?
grassy terrain
manual terrain
lets just say psychic terrain is very annoying
shadow wind
Why not just have Rillaboom?
short quiver
Why not just have Rillaboom?
yuck
cerulean nacelle
I'm a little pissed lmao. I entered a lower tier draft league and this guy who already had an electric type decided to draft pawmot who I wanted.
Bruh.
shadow wind
Part of draft is sniping
short quiver
hey chat yes or no
also does eviolite boost interact with Body Press damage
i would think it does i still wanna ask
shadow wind
It does not as far as I know
short quiver
thats some bullshit π
short quiver
183+183 x .5=274.5
which is significantly higher than 200
it does not
THATS SO GAY π
im on the showdown calc eviolite does not add any damage
timber falcon
im currently working towards a team for regulation J, would appreciate any comments to the line up
moves/evs arent locked in yet
timber falcon
hitmontop was supposed to be there for wide guard, but looking at it now youre right
pehaps ill go with iron valiant in place?
timber falcon
true
shadow wind
I know he's the goat and all but sometimes he can be removed
short quiver
so who was gonna tell me blastoise gets fake out btw
shadow wind
A Wolfey video from like 2018 when he used Wartortle
timber falcon
I know he's the goat and all but sometimes he can be removed
i cant really think of another fire type thatd have the same impact in trick room though, except maybe torkoal
short quiver
A Wolfey video from like 2018 when he used Wartortle
give me this video please and thanks π«
gentle cragBOT
give me this video please and thanks π«
naganohara_akira has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep
shadow wind
short quiver
im hatching duraludon eggs rn
shadow wind
2020 my bad
shadow wind
i cant really think of another fire type thatd have the same impact in trick roo...
That's valid
It's quite hard to find good fire types
short quiver
i cant really think of another fire type thatd have the same impact in trick roo...
camerupt π¨βπ¦―
timber falcon
my 5 potential picks i lined up were torkoal, arcanine, incin, entei, or tauros
timber falcon
camerupt π¨βπ¦―
forgot abt him, but atp id just run torkoal#
shadow wind
Could always use Ogerpon
short quiver
Could always use Ogerpon
firepon in trickroom? π
timber falcon
yeah wouldnt line up i thought
shadow wind
Ogerpon is the goat
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
timber falcon
i have seen slow ogerpon sets tho
short quiver
110 base speed in tr
shadow wind
Not every mon has to be below 100 speed guys
It's not hard TR, it's a screens team
A screens team with trick room as speed control
short quiver
me using max speed jolly calyrex ice in tailwind
shadow wind
Also
Just having a mon with kill power like Ogerpon is extremely nice
And if you're running coaching on Hitmontop which is a possibility Ogerpon does benefit
timber falcon
A screens team with trick room as speed control
ill honestly conmsider it, after checking how the typings would work in marriland and the tools it can provide (including how hard itd hit in sun) it seems to br a decent idea
solid frigate
i have seen slow ogerpon sets tho
just run 188 Spe EVs in non CIR Teams and you are fine
shadow wind
I just found an old team of mine from Reg G and it had Hisiuan Qwilfish with dbond
short quiver
nice
shadow wind
What were we cooking
short quiver
is there a fighting type that learns haze
timber falcon
I just found an old team of mine from Reg G and it had Hisiuan Qwilfish with dbo...
lmao what
cyan smelt
i like monke's idea of palafin with eject pack, would it go well on a rain team?
timber falcon
i like monke's idea of palafin with eject pack, would it go well on a rain team?
kyogre perhaps?
shadow wind
Yeah I got no clue man
cyan smelt
i'm thinking reg h
timber falcon
i'm thinking reg h
is that no restricteds
cyan smelt
yes
timber falcon
when i was running palafin i just used pelliper, could also go archaludon
cyan smelt
i think the biggest problem with running rain for me is sun psyspam
short quiver
when i was running palafin i just used pelliper, could also go archaludon
my beloved pipebomb drawbridge mentioned?
timber falcon
i think the biggest problem with running rain for me is sun psyspam
could be solved with wide guard on peli no? And some smart game control weather culd be in your favour
but yeah you might want some extra method of maintaining rain
cyan smelt
i remember losing to an exeggutor and they always run sleep powder
i had an idea of eject button sableye with rain dance
timber falcon
wb taunt
cyan smelt
need non prankster taunt
timber falcon
ah so then you need rain to be on at that point
timber falcon
i had an idea of eject button sableye with rain dance
not a horrible shout, but what other tools could it provide for your team
cyan smelt
t-wave, fake out
cyan smelt
the team i'm thinking is sniper kingdra, dragon cheer salamence, sableye then i need something for the fairy weaknesses because all 3 are weak to primarina so i'm thinking toxtricity
because it takes neutral damage from throat chop from sneasler basically
timber falcon
the team i'm thinking is sniper kingdra, dragon cheer salamence, sableye then i ...
toxitricity or rillaboon should work fine
cyan smelt
i'm thinking both to change the terrain
short quiver
for fighting types with haze my only options are poliwrath and hisuian decidueye??????
timber falcon
i'm thinking both to change the terrain
wait so whats your team rn?
cyan smelt
the team i'm thinking is mence, kingdra, toxtricity, sableye
kingdra will have flash cannon
timber falcon
alright, so have you thought of a drizzle mon? or will you be setting it up manually
cyan smelt
yeah it's either peli or politoed
probably peli so i can set tw too
i had the idea to give sableye gravity too to give kingdra 100% accurate crit dracos
timber falcon
type chart looking fairly positive
timber falcon
i had the idea to give sableye gravity too to give kingdra 100% accurate crit dr...
interesting strat never really thought of smth like that
cyan smelt
i've seen sniper dragon cheer kingdra ohko archaludon
timber falcon
sheesh
short quiver
i've seen sniper dragon cheer kingdra ohko archaludon
π
timber falcon
what set do you have in mind for salamance?
cyan smelt
dragon cheer, dual wingbeat, breaking swipe maybe?
short quiver
What π ?
rip archaludon
waxen dock
Have you look at this thing spd
timber falcon
Have you considered a more supportive set? Such as tailwind, air slash (flinch chance) and Draco for chip
short quiver
Have you look at this thing spd
yeah its like 60
cyan smelt
dual wingbeat is for the sneasler MU
idk maybe i could run a different moveset on pelipper if i run tw
timber falcon
dual wingbeat is for the sneasler MU
Forgot sneasler was so relevant in that reg
short quiver
hey chat yes or no π
cyan smelt
covert cloak + intim helps with sneasler
timber falcon
Have you thought of the last member
cyan smelt
nah no idea yet
timber falcon
Offensively your team looks fine
Wb a tank?
Like archaludon
Or is the 3x dragon not great
cyan smelt
idt 3x dragon is good
short quiver
Or is the 3x dragon not great
steel dragon isnt weak to ice fairy or dragon at all
steel invalidates all of dragons weaknesses
timber falcon
steel dragon isnt weak to ice fairy or dragon at all
True
cyan smelt
maybe barraskewda but then i gotta watch out for rilla
timber falcon
So only ground and fighting would be the repercussions, and sneasler exists
timber falcon
maybe barraskewda but then i gotta watch out for rilla
Why not basculegion
Hits like a truck
cyan smelt
barraskewda is faster than anything in the meta in rain and tera stellar can also ohko arch
timber falcon
That works then
cyan smelt
and ig i got mence and pelipper for those pesky rillabooms
oh and toxtricity
i am worried about tr and psyspam with this team though
rustic mountain
try it out
shadow wind
try it out
Maybe the definitive best advice
dapper crag
Omg I love incineroar 
cyan smelt
my friend malamar is going to be my new showdown nickname but it's probably already taken
lofty tartan
It's pretty likely
cyan smelt
then i'll try our friend malamar
shadow wind
My friend malamar#18273
short quiver
to breed a hisuian sneasel the parent needs to hold an everstone right?
woven pelican
the sneasel needs to, yes
short quiver
*the sneasel needs to, yes*
can i use a hisuian sneasel holding an everstone and a ditto?
woven pelican
yes
short quiver
epiccccc
short quiver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnscY70LVzo
you lied to me
his wartortle doesnt even have protect at all π
short quiver
i meant fake out why did i say protect lmao
shadow wind
I play too many stupid formats apparently to know where I get my info from
Kind of impressed I remembered that video though
short quiver
he has helping hand aqua jet yawn life dew
no fake out π
next im seeing if wolfey has ever use scraggy or scrafty
cyan smelt
Interesting
real prairie
no idea why Incin as 21 SpAtk
side note, how did you take "Malamar" out of your name and just keep the glow haha
cyan smelt
I think you edit your display name
shadow wind
My friend malamar
cyan smelt
Isn't terrible into indeedee sneasler
real prairie
exactly
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
cyan smelt
Surely you want contrary
real prairie
yeah, was just seeing what Infiltrator did
downside to contrary, the only move it really benefits from isnt stab
shadow wind
I bet it takes 80% from a Sneasler CC
real prairie
I bet it takes 80% from a Sneasler CC
Id assume so
252+ Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Malamar: 126-148 (78.2 - 91.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
quite surprised it survives without any bulk
ripe grail
Guys how is this Giovanni ceschke's winning team
Is it viable to be used online ?
Would someone wanna do a link battle
I need some tips for this team
real prairie
ripe grail
Is the team good tho
In the current regulation ?
Am like really new to all this
I just got my nso a week ago
short quiver
timber falcon
is there some sort of guide to optimising EVs? or is it all trial and error
real prairie
is there some sort of guide to optimising EVs? or is it all trial and error
in the pinned π
real prairie
Is the team good tho
whats the team?
timber falcon
in the pinned π
found it ty
gentle cragBOT
found it ty
otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to averagejack_yt
short quiver
whats the team?
they were asking about giovanni ceschkes team
real prairie
and i don't know it haha, thus asking for it
real prairie
Same, don't know the team
ripe grail
whats the team?
Ahh wait
ripe grail
How ?
real prairie
the url
ripe grail
real prairie
Yeah looks like it'd still be strong, not sure if it would need some adjustments for the threats in reg J though
ripe grail
found it ty
Where is it ?
real prairie
it wasn't built with Mythicals in mind
ripe grail
Yeahhh
real prairie
Where is it ?
ripe grail
Ahh i can't find it among the pins
Is it like way down ?
ripe grail
it wasn't built with Mythicals in mind
What can be improved upon in the team
real prairie
^^^
real prairie
What can be improved upon in the team
Not sure, I don't know the Reg J meta atm as not playing it
try the team in SD in Reg J, then make adjustments where you find a needed fix.
ripe grail
Ooh okay
ripe grail
Thank you
real prairie
Any helpers online? might be worth cleaning up the pinned, there some bits we pinned for GC and worlds that now expired
stone trellis
What's the standard EV spread for Rage Powder Rocky Helmet Volc?
real prairie
or promote me, I dont mind π€£
cyan smelt
are there any euro helpers
real prairie
no idea
stone trellis
How did you get the Malamar role?
real prairie
go talk about malamar in general
cyan smelt
say i love malamar in #lza_discussion or #general_chat
real prairie
What's the standard EV spread for Rage Powder Rocky Helmet Volc?
This one?
Volcarona @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
- Protect
- Heat Wave
- Giga Drain
- Rage Powder
stone trellis
This one?
Volcarona @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
Tera Type: Gr...
Thank you, brother.
gentle cragBOT
Thank you, brother.
skywarsveteran1607 has given 1 Gen Rep to averagejack_yt
stone trellis
I might go slower on it, to be honest.
cyan smelt
what are you cooking with it paul
real prairie
ensuring physical attackers have a bad time
cyan smelt
i mean teammates
stone trellis
Aight, I'm not hiding it.
Coaching Valiant.
Go look for any other instance where I've mentioned this and you'll see what I mean.
real prairie
whats the calc for a -1, is it X/1.5?
stone trellis
It is.
real prairie
thanks
stone trellis
I want to make Volcarona Bold so that Urshifu needs to hit it thrice to OHKO it.
real prairie
I want to make Volcarona Bold so that Urshifu needs to hit it thrice to OHKO it.
just tera to grass no?
stone trellis
If the Tera isn't available, I want to torture the bear as much as possible.
real prairie
If the Tera isn't available, I want to torture the bear as much as possible.
Fair.
stone trellis
3 hits means 3 procs of Rocky Helmet and 3 rolls for a burn.
real prairie
Right, lets give this a whack. https://pokepast.es/2f1435d66e6bf5ed
woven pelican
Right, lets give this a whack. https://pokepast.es/2f1435d66e6bf5ed
whacks it with a wodden plank
okay now what
stone trellis
Why Tera Grass Amoonguss?
real prairie
Why Tera Grass Amoonguss?
hadn't changed its tera yet, good spot, thanks
gentle cragBOT
hadn't changed its tera yet, good spot, thanks
averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to skywarsveteran1607
cyan smelt
needs regenerator too
real prairie
needs regenerator too
I like effect spore with Rage powder when there are so many phys attackers in the format
and the idea of rage powdering a dire claw to give Sneasler a status is satisfying AF
cyan smelt
yeah but sometimes it triggers an effect other than sleep and you can't spore
real prairie
yeah but sometimes it triggers an effect other than sleep and you can't spore
this is true.
which is fine as I usually only use Spore in TR, where im the slowest.
thanks to Iron Ball
cyan smelt
and you can superpower ursalunas
ripe grail
@real prairie also this switch of mine keeps showing errors in between battles
I have lost like 8-9 battles cause of this shit
Can't even progress beyond great ball because of this annoying shit
real prairie
Not a lot i can do to help with that haha
real prairie
Maybe I just go to Lille with 4 mons π€£ https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2439453509-pmr4vhco392ugjlxvlw2c87h8s2sdjfpw
stone trellis
196+ Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. +2 76 HP / 12 Def Tera Bug Iron Hands in Sun: 179-213 (74.8 - 89.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Perfect.
And +2 Low Kick is an OHKO by a wide margin.
cyan smelt
bullet seed into arch is so funny
real prairie
bullet seed into arch is so funny
faster than Maus lol
cyan smelt
is it faster even if they set up tw
cyan smelt
i need to figure out a way to cycle salamence
stone trellis
Eject Pack on it + Draco.
cyan smelt
that could work
real prairie
Still faster than dragonite @cyan smelt https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2439457064
real prairie
Eject Pack on it + Draco.
until you get turn 1 intimidated lol
cyan smelt
nice work reading that tera
stone trellis
until you get turn 1 intimidated lol
Still works.
Torkoal getting Intimidated turn 1 has helped me win so many games.
real prairie
nice work reading that tera
i didn't lol just knew +1 draco would kill lol
cyan smelt
why did they tera to dragon in front of an archaludon
real prairie
why did they tera to dragon in front of an archaludon
not clever
cyan smelt
did they expect the electro shot or something
stone trellis
Probably.
real prairie
probably expected Muddy water
cyan smelt
wondering if i should put rain dance on mence as one of its moves
i already have pelipper and rain dance on sableye
cyan smelt
i don't like muddy water because any accuracy drops trigger defiant
and on gambit that's not good
but crit scalds sound good
Hey maybe mirror herb is good on mence for the gambit and ape mus
real prairie
but crit scalds sound good
doesn't get scald anymore
real prairie
Hey maybe mirror herb is good on mence for the gambit and ape mus
That sounds good, but you using Atk or SpAtk Mance?
Maybe i steal that comfey
cyan smelt
I'm thinking physical mence
stone trellis
Dual Wingbeat bitches Sneasler, so it's a good call.
cyan smelt
Brick break and dual wingbeat for gambits, sneaslers and apes
stone trellis
I'll help you build a team with it too.
It could learn Tailwind to support its team.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
cyan smelt
So far I've got peli, mence, sableye, toxtricity and barraskewda
stone trellis
Toxtricity?
cyan smelt
For prim and rilla
stone trellis
Tell me the vision in DMs.
cyan smelt
Oh and kingdra
real prairie
Toxtricity?
electirc type boom bursts go BOOM
stone trellis
Stats, moves items and all that.
stone trellis
electirc type boom bursts go BOOM
It has Galvanize?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
real prairie
Kommo-o with Toxtricity?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
short quiver
Kommo-o with Toxtricity?
do i hear potential boomburst strats
real prairie
do i hear potential boomburst strats
depends, do you have sound proof?
short quiver
depends, do you have sound proof?
nah gang my ability is inner focus
kommo-o has soundproof though
im doing a scarlet playthrough as a gymleader and im considering using sash prankster rain dance riolu
(my ace is tera fighting archaludon with body press)
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
stone trellis
Expanding Force players be like
Feraljak would be more accurate.
Specifically this variant.
cyan smelt
lots of variants of myfriendmalamar were taken but my friend calamanero wasn't
timber falcon
im having a little trouble for speed tiers in regulation J, is anyone here familiar this reg?
for example, im not sure what i want my groudon to outspeed
waxen dock
for example, im not sure what i want my groudon to outspeed
Rilla and csr in tailwind
And maybe max speed incin
real prairie
Now at 1500 with 4 mons... every time i try to add new ones i lose LOL
ripe grail
Does anyone have any regulation J rental teams?
real prairie
Does anyone have any regulation J rental teams?
None in #rental_teams ?
ripe grail
Nope
real prairie
Checked the paste repository?
ripe grail
What's that ?
real prairie
What's that ?
It's where as a community we paste our teams
For others to use and try
Retaining the same Pokemons IVs for the 50th time instead of catching a new one like:
cerulean nacelle
Part of draft is sniping
I'm aware it isn't my first draft. But bro had electrode and then picked up pawmot even though they had mienshao. Just a bit of an annoying snipe, they're quite a random drafter.
ripe grail
https://t.co/cQUvvIeb4K
Where is the code tho
For the renting thingy
Like I got this team https://pokepast.es/7ff1aad3db26c830
Where is the code
ripe grail
I don't see it though mate
ripe grail
Should be there if there's a rental available
Did you find the code ?
real prairie
I'm out ATM, will look later
timber falcon
Rilla and csr in tailwind
Thanks for the info
gentle cragBOT
Thanks for the info
otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to ido1500
timber falcon
By csr do you mean CIR?
stone trellis
No, he means Shadow Rider.
Groudon's the one in Tailwind.
You need exactly 12 Speed EVs to do that.
timber falcon
oh alr
solid frigate
Love me some Incin jumpscare
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/976ca3dd68a8c167 finally finished my first actual team in months, would appreciat any thoughts
before i start trying out ladder
bold geode
stone trellis
And why make Iron Valiant a special attacker? I know it does slightly more damage to Miraidon due to Moonblast's higher BP, but Spirit Break's just more valuable overall, isn't it?
Yeah, the horse is why Sitrus on Incin is dumb.
Well, the animal riding the horse, but still.
bold geode
And why make Iron Valiant a special attacker? I know it does slightly more damag...
Probably for specific MUs
stone trellis
A few more questions.
Why Amoonguss over Brute Bonnet if you're not using it as a physical attacker?
And why Protect?
There's a better redirector in the sun, its name is Volcarona.
stone trellis
Which ones?
@livid drift What Pokemon did you hyper train and what Speed IVs did they have?
real prairie
Did you find the code ?
Row AC:
livid drift
<@661419643784921108> What Pokemon did you hyper train and what Speed IVs did th...
Idr the original ivs but amoongus and grimmsnarl
stone trellis
Right.
livid drift
Yea im a dumbass lol
ripe grail
Row AC:
Tyy
Also @real prairie in this team
Am really struggling against Calyrex ice and magearna in trick room in ranked battles
Could you help me figure out the ev spread
stone trellis
Koraidon struggling against two Pokemon it has no reason to struggle against, a classic.
ripe grail
Koraidon struggling against two Pokemon it has no reason to struggle against, a ...
Issue is I don't open with don
Once they setup trick room am cooked
Cause for some reason my ursaluna is faster than magearna and Calyrex in TR
real prairie
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2439597451
added Talonflame as a 5th, seems okay
real prairie
wanna see an awesome walking wake set i used in draftπ
Ofc
chrome knot
:3
EVs live specs koko dazzling, pump + jet kos
wakes only job was threaten koko, kill ceruledge & iron treads
stone trellis
Threaten Koko how?
chrome knot
EVs live specs koko dazzling, pump + jet kos
hello?
its singles draft
it ended in a 6-0 win so methinks it worked
stone trellis
Oh.
stone trellis
I need nicknames for Miraidon and Iron Valiant.
Nevermind, I know Mirai's nickname.
real prairie
Nevermind, I know Mirai's nickname.
Kawasaki?
stone trellis
It was going to be "The BVC", but aight.
real prairie
also works
but i always think of it like if i was calling out the name, how would it sound lol
bold geode
it ended in a 6-0 win so methinks it worked
Hai Emma 
stone trellis
Hater.
real prairie
"GO H2R" is a bit meh lol
chrome knot
hi monk e
stone trellis
"Go Hater" is fire though.
stone trellis
If Iron Hands wasn't in here, it'd also be the second strongest in terms of physical Attack.
But The Truck 2 is just the GOAT like that.
stone trellis
I would've nicknamed it something else, but I didn't do so before deleting my old save and transferring it to my new one.
But it is like a truck.
Fat as fuck and hits... well, like itself.
bold geode
I always call my Iron Hands "Tankman"
Big Tubby
stone trellis
Should I hyper train Farig or do I keep it at 0 Speed IVs?
bold geode
Why would you have it min speed
real prairie
Should I hyper train Farig or do I keep it at 0 Speed IVs?
You kind of want it with 0atk
stone trellis
I caught it like that and I never bothered to change it.
real prairie
If you have a min speed one, keep it and catch another one if you want to hyper train
gives you the option of not ruining your 0speed
stone trellis
Can't be fucked to waste more money and time EV training and leveling up another one, so I can just hyper train this one.
real prairie
fuck it, ill do it for you
stone trellis
And hey, breeding passes on the natural IVs anyway if I use the Power items.
real prairie
true
stone trellis
So if I want to, I'll do it.
real prairie
fair enough
stone trellis
Now I just need to get marks for them.
What TM is Trick Room?
161, got it.
Same as max Speed Jolly Rayquaza.
Should Iron Valiant be Tera Dark or Tera Ghost?
real prairie
are you using indeedee or any other anti priority?
@chrome knot who would you put as 5th and 6th? https://pokepast.es/33604c2c88fb2898
stone trellis
I am using Farigiraf.
real prairie
I am using Farigiraf.
then you don't really need ghosty
stone trellis
Fair.
Tera Dark also makes the CSR MU great.
I kind of want to give it Knock Off over Feint.
252 Atk Tera Dark Iron Valiant Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 108 HP / 44 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 376-448 (198.9 - 237%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ZAMNNN
real prairie
pretty good without the tera too 252 Atk Iron Valiant Knock Off vs. 108 HP / 44 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 172-204 (91 - 107.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
shame you can't run LORB
252 Atk Life Orb Iron Valiant Knock Off vs. 108 HP / 44 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 224-265 (118.5 - 140.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ripe grail
Didn't you make it 0 Speed Brave?
Yaa did it now
real prairie
im getting fucked off with SD going down only when im winning π€£
bold geode
<@224303371564220418> who would you put as 5th and 6th? https://pokepast.es/3360...
Thoughts and prayers
That or my good friend Malamar
real prairie
That or my good friend Malamar
Unironically I did try him
craggy dagger
Tera Dark also makes the CSR MU great.
doesnβt wide guard just do that tho
waxen dock
doesnβt wide guard just do that tho
Csr has psychic as move so not necceserily
But in my i val set i have destiny bond against mons that want easy ko on my i val
craggy dagger
dbond .-.
i just use booster ghost with wide guard
koraidon hurts if they click cc into you as a tera dark
though iβm also pretty sure youβre not living a cc without tera
waxen dock
dbond .-.
I also use q guard cause i dont have farig
I use it with miraidon so i dont need booster
stone trellis
doesnβt wide guard just do that tho
Wide Guard covers for Astral Barrage, Tera Dark covers for Psychic and ensures that Knock Off will OHKO by a margin as wide as the Amazon River.
timber falcon
https://pokepast.es/ba6fabe57ea74367
252 attack incineroar?
stone trellis
That and Protect.
Jesus Christ, only one mon on this team can even use Protect.
Nevermind, UBM's also there.
Why do people put Protect as their first move?
real prairie
i copied it from Munchstats
stone trellis
Why is it 21 SpA?
real prairie
i might swap fakeout on Ludicolo for protect too
real prairie
Why is it 21 SpA?
just happens to be the one i have on cart
stone trellis
Aight.
real prairie
no particular reason, but i set it so when I adjust stats on cart i know it matches
stone trellis
I need to get 54 Grass Tera Shards so I can change the Tera types on Volc and Farig.
How do I farm them without the Item Printer?
real prairie
grass raids
stone trellis
There are none.
real prairie
change date on your device
stone trellis
I spawn an average of two on all three maps combined every time I reset.
My grandchildren will be married by the time I've done 28.
real prairie
16 turns of nonsense lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2439750285
stone trellis
magearna <:cursedcat:1115637271480242208>
Not if you play that cringe GearApe shit.
Otherwise, I'm open.
stone trellis
Some people decided that running Magearna next to Scarf Annihilape with Final Gambit was not the cringiest shit of all time.
dapper crag
ew
stone trellis
I ran a really funny CIR-Magearna team with Farig and Jungle Bros.
Farigiraf had the Chesto Berry to prevent sleep from Darkrai, Magearna had Thunderbolt to cover for Tera Water and Leftovers to make the Grassy Terrain recovery matter even more.
I'd probably run Leech Seed CIR too if I didn't respect myself.
stone trellis
Ah, so CSR but even frailer and even less capable of supporting its team.
stone trellis
I never really liked psyspam, I've always considered it an activity that only the Feraljak types enjoy, but I'd like to see where you'll take this.
Especially because of this calc:
236+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tera Water Deoxys-Attack on a critical hit: 153-183 (122.4 - 146.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
dapper crag
I never really liked psyspam, I've always considered it an activity that only th...
I never use psyspam
Never did never will
stone trellis
So you're using Deo-A without psyspam?
dapper crag
Ye
stone trellis
So it actually is worse CSR then.
dapper crag
As I said, basically yeah
stone trellis
Good luck.
If you need any help figuring out how to make the team work, don't be afraid to message me.
dapper crag
I'll try to come up with something
stone trellis
I'll try to come up with something
HO's kind of your only option anyway.
cyan smelt
I kinda want to use galvantula in reg h
stone trellis
?
dapper crag
electro web spam go brr
cyan smelt
Sticky web
solid frigate
you can technically run thunder safely
stone trellis
91% accuracy isn't the safest, but yeah.
stone trellis
I'll try to come up with something
Physical or special?
dapper crag
Initially I was thinking of going all out from turn 1
Since its stats allow it to nuke under certain conditions
stone trellis
So mixed?
dapper crag
So I was thinking of having a moveset that leans more towards coverage
stone trellis
Focus Sash is neccessary.
dapper crag
I have that on it rn
I thought up:
Psychic
Ice Beam
Superpower
protect
But I'm thinking of tweaking it somehow
stone trellis
Psycho Boost's there.
dapper crag
You rlly think I need that much power on it? 
solid frigate
Psycho Boost Superpower Knock Off Protect
stone trellis
Tera Stellar could also work for a nuke option.
solid frigate
you need something to hit Ghost types
Not that if you needed when its literally glass
dapper crag
Where have I seen this moveset before
I was thinking of pairing it with Guard Split Indeedee
stone trellis
Tera Stellar could also work for a nuke option.
You won't get to click any of the moves more than one time either way.
bold geode
Mixed attackers are kinda mid
dapper crag
I guess
stone trellis
I was thinking of pairing it with Guard Split Indeedee
Don't try to make it bulky.
solid frigate
remember when Lugia actually learns Psycho Boost
stone trellis
Mixed attackers are kinda mid
Unless you're Mega Ray or the Primals, you can't really make it work.
So Deo-A is weak to Dark, Ghost and Bug.
stone trellis
Koraidon deals with Dark and Bug and it seems like a somewhat natural partner.
stone trellis
https://tenor.com/view/salamence-hmph-heh-gif-6115067737748419442
I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with your game.
It's crazy how all pseudo legends besides Garchomp and Baxcalibur have mixed attacker stats.
solid frigate
and only mence is able to do mixed attacker (Albiet on Mega Form)
stone trellis
Yeah, because it's goddamn Mega Salamence.
solid frigate
Yeah, because it's goddamn Mega Salamence.
i love that guy ever since i tried using it against someone
stone trellis
I just love the croissant of death in general.
Mainly because it was on my team during my second playthrough of Emerald.
God, imagine if Zinnia were to return in Z-A.
solid frigate
God, imagine if Zinnia were to return in Z-A.
I actually would be hyped cuz Mega Mence become my top 5 Megas despite his arms become little stubs
stone trellis
And between the new Hex Maniac and her, November's going to be a hard month.
shadow wind
Man bulk up ape is terrible to play against
This guy had 2 beat uppers too
Oh sheesh he was top 10
Key word being "was" !!
stone trellis
Reg H?
stone trellis
Nice.
stone trellis
I remember when I had a really good win streak in Reg I and got all the way up to 1520, then I lost something like five games in a row and I crashed down to the 1300s.
stone trellis
Number of days since last shower: 198
shadow wind
More like Reg I want to go back to using Groudon
shadow wind
Number of days since last shower: 198
I can't say much cause my team is pretty basic
stone trellis
I'm perfectly fine with Reg J, I just need to change the Tera Types of Volcarona and Farigiraf while not having any fucking Grass Tera Shards at all.
shadow wind
Fair
I just hate on Reg J because it's Reg I with 2 extra mons
And if it's not being used for events I don't really care for it
Not like I attend but I like to look at tours
stone trellis
To be honest, I still think Specs is the best Mirai variant.
stone trellis
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