competitive_discussion

[livid tree]

oh that might be it, I dont remember my kyogres hp

Thanks!

[magic sierra]

That's why Kyogre also has Origin pulse, in case it has low hp

[livid tree]

I see

[stone trellis]

Man, I wish Garchomp could learn U-turn.

Can you see how the motherfucker moves when flying? He can 100% do it.

We're so close to CB Chomp being good.

[dense latch]

it’s an alright option, it won a regional last year

lorb’s flexibility feels nicer overall though

[stone trellis]

I know.

[stone trellis]

I love this team so much, it makes people forfeit even before Riolu starts doing its shenanigans.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2436878141

But it also makes me sad because I actually want to use Prankster Coaching.

[waxen dock]

and im against the guy that won laic

last year

[stone trellis]

Marco Silva?

[waxen dock]

no

his brother i think

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[foggy lodge]

Pietrofiero

[waxen dock]

yes

[stone trellis]

It's funny how Pietro and Marco look the exact same.

[waxen dock]

im against him

and he is 1774

in elo

and he uses tera stellar arch

dont ko

[stone trellis]

How many games do you have left?

[waxen dock]

its my 2nd game for the day

[stone trellis]

I'd ask you to save one so we can battle later, but I can't be fucked to play any more games today.

I'm currently trying to get better at Kirby and the Forgotten Land so I can beat the Ultimate Cup Z (by getting better at Blizzard Ice +1 spam).

[waxen dock]

and i lost

@stone trellis do you want to batle now

[stone trellis]

I'd have to go downstairs and convince my mom to let me use my Switch after I've already played an hour and a half, which is not happening.

[waxen dock]

ok

[brave hazel]

Can already see this team is gonna stall & constantly switch

[near crag]

Should you always play the 30 gc games or just quit while ahead?

[stone trellis]

First of all, it's 45.

And to be honest? Yeah.

If you're at a good score, don't gamble with it.

[bold geode]

Apparently if you're in NA then 1600 rating is like a good spot at least

[near crag]

Im in South America

[bold geode]

Oh
Idk then

[waxen dock]

Is 1710 good?

For 40 games

[stone trellis]

What place are you at right now?

[waxen dock]

Probably somewhere in top 32

[stone trellis]

You know, I've been building a Reg J team and I'm realising that this shit would be far better off without me trying to use Prankster Coaching Riolu.

I never even bring it to any games.

Do I just replace it with Urshifu?

[real prairie]

someone remind me the name of the Google sheet for tracking battles

[real prairie]

very good

[stone trellis]

PASRS?

[real prairie]

yeah thats it, thanks

got 6.2 now

[next stump]

It really depends what you want out of the GC. Are you trying to attend Worlds?

[bold geode]

Dillon I choked hard

Was in position to get some points but then I decided to play Day 3 and went 6-9

[next stump]

RIPPPPP :/ sorry to hear that

I doubt I'll get many points from this first one, I'm at like 1630 RN and really don't want to play anymore

but we'll see

[bold geode]

Its all good, I would've probably got like
3 points anyways LOL

[next stump]

yeah hahaha it feels pretty pointless unless you're 1700+

[bold geode]

Right

Still had hella fun

[near crag]

Yeah, but I’m in seniors

[next stump]

🤔 Not sure what the point cutoffs for LATAM region are for seniors, but you've probably gotten yourself some

[bold geode]

@next stump quick question
So is there literally any P2 that would ever run min speed

[next stump]

there's a lot more younger people here than I thought hahaha

[bold geode]

Like
Deadass fun fact
On my team, I knew I wanted to run min speed to get the jump on other P2 in TR, but my ass went "what if they're running min speed" so in order to creep their ass outside of TR, I actually went and caught a P2 with 2 speed IVs

And funniest thing, there was a game against Hard TR where they had a min speed Primarina and in that game the 2 IVs actually came up LMAO

[waxen dock]

Im 1710 and have 5 games should i play?

[bold geode]

Stay plz

[next stump]

no idea to be honest

I’d say no

[bold geode]

I would opt out now

Idk how many points you get off that but you're guaranteed at that point

[waxen dock]

Either 0 or 75

[bold geode]

Nah you at least get some

[stone trellis]

Hey ido, let's play a game in a bit.

[waxen dock]

I can in like half a hour

Ir 20 minutes

Or

[stone trellis]

Aight.

[bold geode]

Paul did you use Ugarte team

[waxen dock]

I hope we do match togother

[stone trellis]

I used a slightly different one.

Whimsicott instead of Jumpluff and Scarf instead of Specs on Typhlosion.

[waxen dock]

R u here?

[stone trellis]

I can't play, I'm leaving to go to my grandma's house right now.

[waxen dock]

Ok

So maybe next gc

[stone trellis]

I didn't even make it to top 256, I really doubt I would've done well against you anyway.

[waxen dock]

Whats your record?

[stone trellis]

18-13.

I played one game on day 3, got too cocky and lost.

[waxen dock]

Im now 30-11

[stone trellis]

Very nice.

[upper zealot]

how many points do you think i need to get cp in na seniors

[waxen dock]

Im number 9 33-11

Should i stop playing or have my last battle?

[bold geode]

I'd stop personally

[waxen dock]

ok

so i'll stop

[foggy lodge]

Next week is frankfurt I can't wait for Archaludon rain to win its 5th regional

[upper zealot]

buy me a plane ticket and ill stop it

[waxen dock]

it wont

[bold geode]

Isn't Pitts next week?

Or actually this coming weekend

[livid tree]

Can a solar power charizard heat wave ohko a koraidon in sun?

[stone trellis]

Doubt it.

[livid tree]

It just did and I was shocked

[stone trellis]

Was it Specs?

[livid tree]

yes

[stone trellis]

Heat Wave BP: 95
STAB: 1.5x (142)
Solar Power: 1.5x (213)
Sun: 1.5x (320)
Choice Specs: 1.5x (481)

Make it 360 because of the 0.75x multiplier on spread moves.

I can see that OHKoing, yeah.

[livid tree]

cant paste pic here but dmg calc says 5 hko

it took 3 hits to ko my kyogre and couldnt 1 hit ko my flutter mane without sash but killed my koraidon

[next stump]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Solar Power Charizard Heat Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Koraidon in Sun: 133-157 (75.5 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

depends a lot on your EVs, if they were tera fire, etc.

[bold geode]

My question is how much does a Koraidon Flare Blitz do to Zard

252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard in Sun: 110-130 (71.8 - 84.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Solar Power damage
I'll give it credit
Least it lives that

[livid tree]

they werent terad

all calcs saying it should 2 hit so I am confused maybe I missed a crit notify or something

or it super high rolled

[dense latch]

was your koraidon the only pokemon on the field

[livid tree]

yes

[dense latch]

ok so then it does more since it’s single target damage rather than double

[livid tree]

oh interesting

[red willow]

Soooooo how long do I have to finish my gc matches? Looked online and couldnt find anything about it

[next stump]

should be 4 hours 45 minutes

[red willow]

Gotcha so 8 my time thanks

[dense latch]

never mind this is the single target calc

was chi yu on the field or something?

[livid tree]

naa

no chi yu

got the answer once i replayed the whole board

my close combat gave me -spdef and thats why killed char

[stone trellis]

Korai was at -1 Sp. Def.

[proud gulch]

odd request but can someone build me a snorlax team 😂

[stone trellis]

For what format?

[proud gulch]

doubles

[stone trellis]

Smogon?

[proud gulch]

no in SV

just casual battles, i’m not the best at this game

[knotty mirage]

I don't think snorlax will go well on casual battle where people will prolly just use 6 legendary

[stone trellis]

The problem right now is that the current regulation allows two Pokemon called restricted legendaries per team.

[proud gulch]

I see

[knotty mirage]

And the ranked is yeah there something called restricted legendary maybe years ago snorlax could work but now yeah def not

[stone trellis]

When restricted legendaries are allowed, less strong Pokemon like Snorlax become close to unusable.

[proud gulch]

now it would just be a troll pick huh? 😂

man it sucks all my favorite pokemon are terrible for battles

[stone trellis]

I'll tell you something.

[knotty mirage]

Yeah maybe if you play at earlier SV stage of life you have chance too use those favorite pokemon but it's already really late now

Unless they decided too rerelease reg H

[stone trellis]

You can use some Pokemon that you like a little less but are stronger.

They can grow on you over time.

I did not like Ice Rider Calyrex that much until I started using it in ranked.

Same with Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon, it's probably one of my favorites nowadays.

[proud gulch]

so should I just pull up with 6 crazy legendaries?

is that the meta now? 😂

[lofty tartan]

Casual battles don't really have a meta. It's the wild west

[knotty mirage]

Not 6 but 2 legendary to be specific

[lofty tartan]

He's talking about casuals. Regulations don't apply there

It's quite literally anything goes

[knotty mirage]

Fair but at that point just play ranked tbh you might have more chance to win on there than on casual

[lofty tartan]

Ehh debatable. They have a lot of legendaries but not a lot of synergy.

And they often choose bad legendaries.

Ranked you're mostly dealing with strong Restricteds in a synergistic team.

[stone trellis]

That or some kid who spams Dark Void + Gravity and hasn't met a single Miraidon + Farigiraf user yet.

[lofty tartan]

Both ranked and casual are nothing-Burger for-fun formats anyway.

Regulation J is hot garbage pizza.

[knotty mirage]

I really hate this kind of thing and most of this mf starting to use AV groudon too

[stone trellis]

Save Reg J, Coaching Valiant + Ice Rider with any Tera other than Fire or Grass!

I wish the best Screens setter wasn't another Fairy type.

[red willow]

Hooooooooooooo boy

Just won with just blursa left at 22 hp lmao

[rustic mountain]

hows every1s gc runs been

[solid frigate]

Gave up cuz day 3 had more GC shenanigans than Day 1-2

[stone trellis]

I went 18-13.

[solid frigate]

21-20 for me

[stone trellis]

Kinda shit, but I'm a shit player anyway.

[rustic mountain]

as long as u learn

[solid frigate]

I’m gonna just release my team later on and actually make one just for Bo3 lol

The team is fine but I have too much piloting problems

[foggy lodge]

Logged on twitter and saw 3 tweets hating on the GC

VGC is so back

https://x.com/Punihina1334/status/1964570054877728969

Rin Leiba 🩷HinoAyu fan🩷 (@Punihina1334)

Not yo usando el kingambit sin ivs ni habilidad correcta JAJAJAJAJAJA fue muy divertido y siempre los GC son para ver estas cosas mias

X · Sep 7, 2025, 6:02 AM

[solid frigate]

Translation

[foggy lodge]

wrong ivs and wrong ability gambit

[solid frigate]

Omg RIP

[rustic mountain]

tbf flying isnt awful for it but yea no defiant is rough, more on them then the gc tho

[bold geode]

I still don't get how this is such a common occurrence

[red willow]

Does grassy terrain boost grass moves power in addition to stab?

Oh jeeze I guess it does by 50 percent lmao

Was wondering why Rilla one shot ursa with wood hammer

Wow scale shot dnite is not good into fairys

[bold geode]

Yes

[lofty tartan]

I was sorta rushing at the end and forgot to bottle cap one of my mons before submission, after leveling it to 50+

It mattered. No big deal

[next stump]

ended 1700 but I really doubt it’ll get more than 5-10 points

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1964841027577204752?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

marcofiero (@marc0fier0)

GGs!!!

X · Sep 7, 2025, 11:59 PM

[foggy lodge]

The new system kinda sucks

[foggy lodge]

Again goddamn this guy

Welp charizard pluff won

[left bobcat]

Everything is ok

Let’s go back to sleep

[red willow]

Is AV unnecessary on a hyper offense team?

[next stump]

I don’t think it’s 100% necessary but it’s usually good to try and find a way to fit in

[red willow]

Idk I guess I could just stick it on bolt

Id have to mess with my spread a bit tho

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1964844979379192229

marcofiero (@marc0fier0)

@MichaelderBeste It's only the 4th time I steal his switch at the end of the GC to make this post 🔥

X · Sep 8, 2025, 12:15 AM

Nvm he didn't win lol

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/tsltang0508/status/1964866968043044966

Shiliang Tang (@tsltang0508)

Finished gc1 rank 23 (25-4). My first “event” after becoming a dad. Hopefully I can be back to IRL event one day💪

Team was largely inspired by @Berumotto565651 and @zgrzgrzgr46’s teams. Thanks @Paul_Chua_ and Louis for working together. Had a lot of fun!

X · Sep 8, 2025, 1:42 AM

Aw hell nah more mausape

[solid frigate]

Tang Gang trying to not make the VGC players panic in their sauce:

Mission Impossible

[waxen dock]

Rank 12

Is that good??

[rustic mountain]

ur just realizing?

[foggy lodge]

Its worse than I originally thought

[rustic mountain]

i feel like u know the answer to this

grats

[foggy lodge]

I think the nerf to the GCs is justified but maybe the nerf was too big

[waxen dock]

Thanks

[rustic mountain]

100%

[foggy lodge]

100 points for winning atleast

[waxen dock]

No the ner wasnt jusified

[waxen dock]

100? I would have got more without the nerf

Probably

[foggy lodge]

A friend played 3-4 locals in one day and got more points than winning the whole gc xd

[rustic mountain]

yea

gc cant be as much as it was for point payout but its too low now

gta be a better in between

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

[waxen dock]

I got top 16 which in the old gc is 130 points

And i will probably get only 75

Cuz the new gc is just dumb and unfair and nerfed too hard

[rustic mountain]

shouldve done better in the gcs b4 the nerf

lmao like i feel ur bias in the point payout cuz u did well this go around

[waxen dock]

I got top 16 i think i deserve at least 100 points while in reality im going to get only 75

[rustic mountain]

top 16 is 160 at an irl, i dont think it should equate to the same ballpark for an online bo1 tour

[bold geode]

DAMN IT WHY

Also @waxen dock

1. Congrats brotha very proud of you
2. Checked bio for pronouns and loving Infernape is based

[lofty tartan]

In the end it won't matter anyway unless you're trying to get 500 for the season.

If you're not and only playing GCs then it's just points that won't do anything anyway.

[lofty tartan]

I 100% agree. GCs needed to be nerfed but now they're pretty meh on payouts. Playing a GC worth hundreds of points in bo1 cts environments when the actual events are bo3 ots is whack anyway.

[foggy lodge]

Who tf won the GC

[rustic mountain]

i do think its necessary to have alternative outlets for earning points in the circuit that isnt just go to as many irls as possible and have as many chances for good finishes but yea its a tough balancing act for determining what that payout should be for online based events. i just think we went from vastly overshooting it to now under

[foggy lodge]

We still don't know who won the GC,,,

[bold geode]

I'm tryna figure that out LOL

[rustic mountain]

me

[gentle crag]

ido1500 (ID 761890689272643595)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Rank 12

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Sep 8, 2025, 4:18 AM

[foggy lodge]

That's seniors

[rustic mountain]

oh lmao

i didnt even read the top ngl

i just assumed masters

[bold geode]

HOLY SHIT
EA SPORTS GOT TOP 8

[rustic mountain]

i do think marco also got around 1840-1850 ranking but in masters

id assume thats gta be atleast top 5

[bold geode]

Me when I pay a micro transaction to play in the GC

[rustic mountain]

u play the gc ?

[bold geode]

I did

I choked

[rustic mountain]

happens

[bold geode]

20-10 after Day 2

[rustic mountain]

nice

[bold geode]

After Day 3?

26-19

[foggy lodge]

I forgot to lock the team 🔥

[rustic mountain]

hahah yea it be like sometimes as long as u improve on it then its just a learning experience

[bold geode]

Yeah
I played well but I did make mistakes in Day 3 and my team basically just auto lost to Annihilape

[rustic mountain]

rip

[bold geode]

This is what I used LOL

[rustic mountain]

such a palafan

i miss palafin

[bold geode]

Yeah
Using the actual good set

[rustic mountain]

is eject pack even valid

[bold geode]

Makes the positioning game with Zero to Hero way fuckin easier

Nick Navarre got top 8 with it back in Reg C

[rustic mountain]

w/ eject pack? idk y i dont remember that

[bold geode]

Yup

It was with Unburden SD Hawlucha

[rustic mountain]

lmao

mega hawlucha also gna be ass

[bold geode]

Also fun fact
The reason why Tera Stellar is on my Palafin

Is cuz unless they tera or get a defense boost
Tera Stellar CC one shots Kingambit while in baby form

[bold geode]

Yeah that mega ability better be good lol

Also one thing I tell people cuz it's dumb as hell
My P2 is intentionally 2 IV speed

[rustic mountain]

its ability prolly wont be bad im more curious for stat allocation and potential type change

[bold geode]

Yeah

Special attacking Hawlucha

[rustic mountain]

w. competitive could b cool

[stone trellis]

I have a team that consists of Clear Amulet Ice Rider, Specs Miraidon, physical Coaching Iron Valiant with the Focus Sash, AV Incin with Snarl and Electric Seed Farigiraf.

I need a final team member and it'll probably have to be a special attacker.

[craggy dagger]

you

[short quiver]

snarl incin? dropping both offensive stats at once huh?

[solid frigate]

That’s parting Shot

Snarl only drops SpA

[short quiver]

intimidate forgetting to exist:

[solid frigate]

Yeah but that isn’t like both at once

That’s two Seperate occasions

[short quiver]

both stats still get lowered though

potentially in the same turn

[solid frigate]

Not really the same turn

For example

Start of the battle can be described as Turn 0

[short quiver]

thats too technical we dont get into allat 😒

[real prairie]

does BMU usually run 252SpAtk?

[solid frigate]

Depends

I used 196 Modest

[cyan smelt]

i really want to try throat spray skeledirge

[real prairie]

Trying to spec a Arch to survive a earth power or a CC from Sneasler whilst still out speeding other Arch... turns out NOPE!

[stone trellis]

Sturdy:

[solid frigate]

I think It depends on Archaludon’s Bulk

Anyways I have the spread from Throw and I live One CC from Jolly Sneasler lol

[real prairie]

most sneasler are adamant now

[real prairie]

i prefer the stamina set, but can see the appeal of sturdy

[stone trellis]

If UBM needs to go 252 HP / 52 Def to live that, you'll have to spend a lot of points on Arch's bulk and leave almost nothing to its Speed.

Other forms of Speed control could help you.

[real prairie]

yeah, think i might try icy wind Ludicolo

breaks sash and lets me outspeed

[stone trellis]

Could work.

[solid frigate]

It just feels silly anyway

For to live that

[real prairie]

Think this will go:

252+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 196+ SpD Archaludon: 174-206 (88.3 - 104.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Archaludon: 168-200 (85.2 - 101.5%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

https://tenor.com/view/raxdflipnote-meme-gif-3914937335619787342

[stone trellis]

Why not go AV Bold?

[real prairie]

oh i forgot to add AV lol

that would help

i use AV, just forgot to add it to the calc

[cyan smelt]

<@&663761167176433665>

[real prairie]

252+ SpA Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 84+ SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 134-158 (68 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Much better

[short quiver]

delete ts gang

[real prairie]

and i get to keep outspeeding Pelliper 😄

[dull haven]

Ty

[cyan smelt]

ty khuja

[solid frigate]

Anyways here’s what I use in GC

Not gonna post the blog anyway

[dull haven]

[real prairie]

BMU Earth Power is probably the biggest SE SpAtk threat to Arch right?

Ah didn't factor in BMU usually runs LORB

ffs

[short quiver]

[real prairie]

?

[solid frigate]

https://x.com/torrentaegisvgc/status/1964978995575095578?s=46

TorrentAegisVGC/Morris (@TorrentAegisVGC)

Well,I gave up on GC in 21-20,This team was suppose to be @lattes_moon ‘s Creation when I got stumped on a Team for Reg H,i think the team is fine,it’s my piloting is a bit off there,overall it’s not a bad team.

See ya in Champions I guess?

X · Sep 8, 2025, 9:07 AM

[real prairie]

probably benefit from wide guard Pelli too there no?

tera grass absorb bulb BMU could have been fun too

[solid frigate]

That can ask Nova for why

But protect is fine imo

[real prairie]

im solely thinking of Greninja utility

feels a waste to not have water shuriken with Stamin Arch

but can see why not

[solid frigate]

I have to use Loaded dice by that point lol

[real prairie]

not necisarily, any stamina boosts is better than none

[solid frigate]

Yeah fair

[real prairie]

Can see the team having legs, just a matter of fine tuning

[solid frigate]

Also the more I click sludge wave the more I questioning why nova do this over extrasensory

[real prairie]

helping hand eject button politoed could work 👀

[solid frigate]

Anyways here’s the spread,don’t bother to run that team anymore cuz I want to put it on a high note

[short quiver]

is greninja good in reg h? id imagine so after its reputation in the past but idk

never tried reg h rain

[real prairie]

its a middling mon

[solid frigate]

It’s probably the only format that can actually be anti Meta than Niche

[real prairie]

usable under the right conditions

[solid frigate]

Cuz Reg G is just me doing funny things with Greninja CIR

[short quiver]

huh?

[solid frigate]

Greninja can’t really do that much in National Dex formats

[short quiver]

i imagine not

[solid frigate]

And restricted formats I kinda just barely make it work

[short quiver]

pokemon like the paradox mons exist

[solid frigate]

@real prairie remember I have a panic Attack when I faced Yotam with The CIR Greninja Team lol

[solid frigate]

Greninja has some solid Synergy with Ice Rider

[short quiver]

i wouldn’t know im not a horse guy

i like the doggo

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/courage-the-cowardly-dog-courage-eustace-bagge-eustace-stupid-dog-gif-26558722

[solid frigate]

I have the whole document about that team in Rental teams lmao

[short quiver]

what did zamazenta do to you gangey

[real prairie]

stopped me getting day 2 on my first regional

[short quiver]

skill issue

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-git-gud-hollow-knight-gif-487380231553167495

[real prairie]

no doubt, but started a vendeta

[solid frigate]

LMAO TRUE

[real prairie]

doesn't help the trainer was a wanker

[short quiver]

a what 😭

[solid frigate]

Man give me more Zamazenta and I can go Day 2

Ogerpon would go nuts

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-what-do-you-mean-hot-ones-gif-4001901854581085955

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-my-beloved-teal-mask-gif-12058198746172826119

we love ogerpon here she so girlboss coded

[short quiver]

lmao

[solid frigate]

I still have that photo me and Jack have taken back in Bham lol

[real prairie]

they were just an arrogant piece of work, Que sera, sera

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/run-it-back-asap-ferg-armani-white-silver-tooth-song-do-it-again-gif-13664481935224881861

[solid frigate]

I got my timetable

I can do both if my parents approved me to go to both Bham and London by myself

[stone trellis]

There's a reason I call it GOATflame.

[real prairie]

Im hoping to do at least 1 europe regional + Bham and London

[solid frigate]

I think in my game 3 in round 1 I just nuked with My Semi Arubega Team lol

[real prairie]

Still pains me you didn't run crown as psyspam haha

would have been broken in that team

[solid frigate]

I can’t run that without the terrain lmao

[real prairie]

dual terrain

[solid frigate]

Atp I rather run Koraidon Sunspam

[short quiver]

yk its funny cir is ice psychic and basically never has a psychic attack

[real prairie]

its typing is its downside

[short quiver]

glacial lance high horsepower leechseed/trick room protect right?

[real prairie]

usually

a few seed bomb too

[short quiver]

imagine not even using one of your own stabs 😔

why not like zen headbutt or smthn

its not a terrible move

[tiny karma]

Calyrex-Ice's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Glacial Lance, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Lash Out, Megahorn, Outrage, Pay Day, Payback, Pound, Seed Bomb, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blizzard, Confusion, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Curse, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Hail, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Mist, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Tail Whip, Taunt, Torment, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Ice.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

literally only Zen headbutt

[short quiver]

oh so literally just zen headbutt

[real prairie]

and whos it useful for?

[short quiver]

idk tera poison used to be a thing

[real prairie]

Incin often only uses one of its stabs too

[real prairie]

Glacial lance is neutral

Seed bomb counters water types, High HP counters fire types

[short quiver]

yeah but the difference is incin is a support mon CIR is DEFINITELY not a support mon

although tbh it could support. just dont do it 😭

[short quiver]

omg body press my king

[stone trellis]

TR is its main thing.

Probably one of the top 10 support moves of all time.

[short quiver]

it has access to quite a few support moves

ally switch, taunt, leech seed and then switch, snow, sun, rain, roar, snarl, pollen puff, throat chop, icy wind, bulldoze, encore, gravity, helping hand, both screens

imagine support cir 😭

it has like all the moves to do it

[solid frigate]

Koraidon and Lunala:

[short quiver]

lunala doesnt use a psychic move either?

and koraidon usually doesn’t have a dragon move

although apparently scale shot is becoming a thing???

[solid frigate]

Moonblast and Meteor Beam

[short quiver]

why not just outrage at that point 🥀

[solid frigate]

Fairy:

[short quiver]

every time i see them they have moongeist beam

[short quiver]

so what justifies scale shot 🤨

[real prairie]

not locked into it for 3 turns

[short quiver]

what are the chances of them having dual fairys though

i revoke that sentence

whimsicott and fluttermane are very common

just as examples

[real prairie]

and tera fairy CIR + CSR + Lunala

[short quiver]

tera fairy CIR is a thing????

[real prairie]

not recently, but it was

[short quiver]

ik about CSR tera fairy, why would cir do it

[real prairie]

fighting and dark resist

[short quiver]

why not tera bug

[real prairie]

other CIR

[short quiver]

neutral glacial lance resisted HH

even if they have body press thats resisted too

[solid frigate]

You are not ready for the panic attack we have on Tang Gang CIR lol

[real prairie]

Also draco meteors from the bike

[real prairie]

my bad, thought Ice SE on Bug

[short quiver]

well most cir tera to fire so the bike would be an issue anyways

[short quiver]

what does se mean

[real prairie]

Super effective

[real prairie]

Nooo

[short quiver]

whatchu mean no

most cir tera fire do they not? 😭

[real prairie]

Water is the most common

[solid frigate]

Hehe Tailroom CIR funny

[real prairie]

34.47%

[stone trellis]

He's the king of living on neutral.

[short quiver]

nope ice is neutral to bug so why dont people use tera bug CIR

[real prairie]

still weak to Fire

[solid frigate]

Man Tailroom CIR is my favourite way to play CIR thanks to Tang Gang man

[short quiver]

just make it a bit rainy outside 🤷‍♂️

[dapper crag]

Oh hi

[stone trellis]

And Fairy is quite neutral while also giving it a resistance to Dark and Bug (and an immunity to Dragon).

[solid frigate]

+not a lot of steel types in the meta

[short quiver]

so why not tera steel :3

[stone trellis]

Dark resistance.

[real prairie]

same fire problem

[stone trellis]

And you're still weak to Fire.

[short quiver]

again, rain exists 😐

[solid frigate]

Tera Fairy and Water are like the most popular

[real prairie]

you do not want to get caught in front of a Tera Fire Koraidon

[stone trellis]

Not everyone uses rain.

[real prairie]

water, then fire, then fairy

[short quiver]

but those specific teams could use those teras could they not

[real prairie]

although 1760+ prefer grass over Fairy

[solid frigate]

That team does not have Rain lmao

[real prairie]

we were talking CIR in general

[solid frigate]

That’s more like preference imo against Kyogre

[short quiver]

steel and fire have the most resistances right?

[short quiver]

we were talking about cir in general what team are you talking about

[solid frigate]

Tang Gang 😉

[short quiver]

i dont even know who the fuck that is

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[real prairie]

didn't the Tang brothers mirror in the final with that team? lol

[stone trellis]

A Chinese player named Shiliang Tang and an American player named Justin Tang.

They made a really strong Ice Rider team that won a regional with both of them in the finals.

[short quiver]

sure

[short quiver]

but i was talking about CIR in general not just these teams

[solid frigate]

Peak team designs btw

[short quiver]

omg i see goatpon

[real prairie]

yeah, Torrent likes to bring these up when he can 😉

[solid frigate]

I literally used that team but replaced Urshifu with Greninja lol

[real prairie]

I remember lol

[short quiver]

greninja is an odd urshifu replacement

[solid frigate]

Oh yeah that Spread from CIR is fast CIR lmao

[short quiver]

right? am i tweakin?

[real prairie]

Im convinced I could get Wolfe con perish to work with Ludicolo over Kingdra, but I really hate Perish lol

[short quiver]

kingdra 😃

[real prairie]

fake out encores = more stalling

[short quiver]

ludicolo gets fake out?

[real prairie]

yeah

[solid frigate]

We all hate perish really

I despise it so badly

[short quiver]

ofc it does why wouldn’t it

[real prairie]

ironically, it doesn't get helping hands

[short quiver]

what 😭

but isnt ludicolo canonically like one of the most helpful pokemon ever

[solid frigate]

Ludi doesn’t want to catch these hands

Only vibe

[real prairie]

and has huge hands

[short quiver]

yes

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-miraidon-plush-spin-silly-gif-7447766115590536849

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-shield-pokemon-plush-plush-plushie-gif-22905345

chat do i go play Ruby and Sapphire again

[stone trellis]

CSR players talking about some "protect the King" NAH BRO YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING
https://pokepast.es/e59288b97c66c2c9

[short quiver]

goatpon

goatpon solos

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/ba52076d6dcbd866

[stone trellis]

I know.

[solid frigate]

Same principle but less offensive which makes sense

[real prairie]

but more stally

fake out + fling is 2 turns of perish

[short quiver]

i have one question

[real prairie]

Yes

[short quiver]

why power herb in the rain

[real prairie]

for when you can't get the rain up

[solid frigate]

Prevent without rain situations

[short quiver]

ah

[solid frigate]

For example not bringing a rain setter to fight a mu where Politoed is bad at

[real prairie]

and means you don't feel bad about bringing it without your rain

[short quiver]

does kings rock fling cause the flinch?

idk how fling works

[real prairie]

yeah

[tiny karma]

Move: Fling

The power of this move is based on the user's held item. The held item is lost and it activates for the target if applicable. If there is no target or the target avoids this move by protecting itself, the user's held item is still lost. The user can regain a thrown item with Recycle or the Harvest Ability. Fails if the user has no held item, if the held item cannot be thrown, if the user is under the effect of Embargo or Magic Room, or if the user has the Klutz Ability.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2437451222

So Ice Rider lives what, two neutral hits from some of the strongest physical attackers around and then a neutral hit from a fairly strong special attacker?

How's CSR doing that without a resistance or an immunity?

[short quiver]

whats the joke here

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/itchy-scratching-gif-26057137

whats that spread though?

the gif and the message were supposed to send together

stupid Discord

[stone trellis]

252 HP / 92 Atk / 4 Def / 156 SpD / 4 Spe with a Brave nature.

[short quiver]

raichu can learn PRESENT in gen 3???

[stone trellis]

Guaranteed to live neutral E-Drift from max SpA Specs Modest Miraidon 93,75% of the time (as well as Tera Ghost AB from CSR) and the points in Speed are just there because they wouldn't matter anywhere anyway.

[real prairie]

I ran tera ground CIR in my rain team as a Miraidon counter

stopping it from Volt switching out often turned the battle

[stone trellis]

Very nice.

I don't trust any Tera that makes it weak to Water or Ice though.

But Tera Ground Tera Blast should probably put Zamazenta on a T-shirt if it ever crits.

[real prairie]

https://pokepast.es/eb69176cc21faaa4

this was the team

[real prairie]

Counter Rockpon was funny against Zama

[short quiver]

gen 3 is my biggest op gang

mawile is a ruby exclusive and pikachu and raichu dont learn thunder punch

[stone trellis]

I play Emerald, so I don't care.

[real prairie]

same

[short quiver]

i play sapphire

[real prairie]

Emerald >>>

Going to playthrough it at some point soon with only Ludicolo lol

[short quiver]

specifically i play the remakes i play alpha sapphire

mawile is again a ruby exclusive though so it doesnt solve my issue

[real prairie]

but need to work out how to get past the opening battle vs Zigzagoon with Lotad seeing as it only knows Astonish at lv5 🤣

[cyan smelt]

any egg moves?

[real prairie]

Sure, but i can't work out how to add them to the ROM, but thats a convo we can't have here

[real prairie]

although I think I can update the moveset to Gen 9, ill have to double check

[short quiver]

is mawile in emerald? 🤔

[real prairie]

yeah

[short quiver]

hmmmmm

i love mawile

easy top 5 favorite pokemon

time to emulate emerald ig

Ninetales Absol Glaceon Mawile Meowscarada

top 5 in no particular order

[real prairie]

I think you can guess my fave

[short quiver]

its definitely not ludicolo?

[real prairie]

How'd you know!

[short quiver]

idk i think it was the pfp that told me how much you hate it

🙃

what was your first pokemon game gangey

[real prairie]

Yellow (yes im old)

[short quiver]

mine was soulsilver

😃

[real prairie]

Jesus, i remember buying the original Silver 😭

[short quiver]

i played original silver afterwards

then played red blue and yellow

all three (had to emulate red and yellow)

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2437456583

Lost my restricted and my Tera and I still won.

[short quiver]

then played every single game after Alpha sapphire

[short quiver]

skill issue on your opponents part

[stone trellis]

This is why reads aren't everything.

[short quiver]

or maybe they just suck 😄

[stone trellis]

And also why Hearthflame is probably the MVP of my team.

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hornet-gif-19850229

[short quiver]

her name is goatpon for a reason

[stone trellis]

So we got King Charles, GOATflame, The BVC and Melman.

I need nicknames for Iron Valiant and Tornadus.

[short quiver]

if you could id just straight up say name Iron Valiant The Twink

since its gardevoir x gallade

its twink gallade

[short quiver]

i was trying to watch johto journeys but couldnt find it anywhere

its a whole new world we live in its a brand new place to see its a brand new place with a brand new attitude and we still gotta catch em all

[real prairie]

Some hurricane names for Tornadus: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutnames_history.shtml

[waxen dock]

i just battled scraf salamence

[short quiver]

scraf 🥀

[waxen dock]

scarf

My results

[solid frigate]

Ew Dozogiri (ggs tho)

[short quiver]

YOOOOOOO

12 is goated

[waxen dock]

half the format teams use dnite or prim

[short quiver]

yall i just stood up and my WHOLE BACK just cracked

im too young for this kinda shit

[dapper crag]

I would like to bring into attention Malamar

[real prairie]

YOU ARE REVIVAL BLESSING DONZOGIRI GUY!

[dapper crag]

Malamar is out friend

[real prairie]

clearly not enough for you to get 12 lol

[waxen dock]

No

Actaully not

[real prairie]

?

[stone trellis]

The Pokemon YouTube channel is doing a weird promo thing about Malamar.

[real prairie]

i know that much, Showdown is doing it too

[stone trellis]

They might be hinting at it receiving a Mega Evolution, but I'm not certain.

[stone trellis]

And they've also changed their PFP to Malamar, with their channel banner showing it and reading "Our friend Malamar".

[real prairie]

Interesting SD jumping on the bandwagon being all unofficial and such

[stone trellis]

They understood the assignment.

And hey, if Malamar is potentially receiving a Mega in Legends Z-A, this is the perfect way to go about it.

[short quiver]

they took meloetta away 🥀

[stone trellis]

Its psychic powers are already capable of influencing people to do its bidding, so I wouldn't be surprised.

[real prairie]

I really like Malamar, also quite good mon for Reg H

[short quiver]

it has contrary right?

[tiny karma]

Barraskewda's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Jet, Assurance, Bite, Bounce, Brick Break, Close Combat, Crunch, Dive, Double-Edge, Drill Run, Facade, Flip Turn, Fury Attack, Giga Impact, Ice Fang, Liquidation, Night Slash, Peck, Poison Jab, Psychic Fangs, Scale Shot, Slash, Take Down, Thrash, Throat Chop, Waterfall

Special Moves

Blizzard, Chilling Water, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Round, Scald, Snore, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Water Pulse, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Acupressure, Agility, Attract, Endure, Focus Energy, Laser Focus, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Barraskewda.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

yeah

[short quiver]

peak

[real prairie]

flip turn, Waterfall, Psychic Fangs and what 4th?

was thinking Drill Run but maybe Close Combat is just as useful

[stone trellis]

It has Liquidation, why Water Fall?

[short quiver]

poison jab maybe? 😃

[stone trellis]

Also, why are you looking at Barraskewda's moves?

[real prairie]

or Throat Chop to dead with Dragapult and scarf Gholdengo

[stone trellis]

I like Barraskewda, the fuck does he know about squids?

[real prairie]

it outspeeds Unburden Sneasler without even max speed investment in rain

[stone trellis]

I know, brother.

It's naturally faster than the base 135s too.

I know that much.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 847: Barraskewda

Type

Water

Abilities

Swift Swim, Propeller Tail (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

61/123/60/60/50/136

Total

490

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

I kind of want to use him with CB.

[short quiver]

now THAT is stat distribution

[stone trellis]

I remember giving it a mega and a lot of its points went into its bulk, solely because of how cracked its stats already are.

[real prairie]

exactly the set im looking to run

CB+Tera Stellar

[short quiver]

what is cb

[real prairie]

choice band

[short quiver]

ah

[real prairie]

@stone trellis is it worth still going max speed to outspeed things outside of rain?

[short quiver]

how about poison jab for that last attack slot

[stone trellis]

Is Pult going Adamant most of the time?

[real prairie]

usually

this is what i had in mind Barraskewda @ Choice Band
Ability: Swift Swim
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 44 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 76 SpD / 132 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flip Turn
• Psychic Fangs
• Throat Chop
• Waterfall

[short quiver]

nice

[real prairie]

132 speed investment makes it faster than unburden Sneasler in the rain

[short quiver]

although before you finalize throat chop i just noticed it learns Crunch

[stone trellis]

1. Why the bulk?
2. Why Waterfall over Liquidation? Is the flinch that valuable?

[tiny karma]

Move: Waterfall

Has a 20% chance to make the target flinch.

Type

Water

Category

Physical

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

Move: Liquidation

Has a 20% chance to lower the target's Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Water

Category

Physical

Power

85

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

You need to hit 195 Speed with Barraskewda to outspeed Adamant Pult.

[real prairie]

id take the flinch chance over the def drop

[real prairie]

only outside of rain

pult teams don't run sun

[short quiver]

🥺

[short quiver]

why not

[stone trellis]

Fair, but that could be a potential endgame scenario.

[real prairie]

just don't usually

[short quiver]

its a dragon it doesnt care about sun or rain

[stone trellis]

Throat Chop also bitches UBM.

And Primarina.

[short quiver]

ah right

[stone trellis]

Nevermind, Primarina's a Fairy type.

[real prairie]

maybe, the buk was just because i could, doesn't do anything in particular (that ive calc'd for anyway)

[short quiver]

and farigiraf with say, psychic noise

which is pretty common now, right?

[real prairie]

still stops hypervoice

[foggy lodge]

I hate psychic noise with all my soul

[real prairie]

hypervoice one is stil

[stone trellis]

Which is its main Water attack, right?

[short quiver]

yeah

[real prairie]

correct

[foggy lodge]

Psychic noise feels like a fake move idk

[short quiver]

all it does is prevent healing its not so bad

[stone trellis]

So now you just need a way to not have Rillaboom OHKO Skewda with Grassy Glide.

[real prairie]

i think twin beam is under utilised in this reg

sash breaking psychic type move

[cyan smelt]

redirection

[foggy lodge]

True

[short quiver]

whats twin beam? what?

[real prairie]

i have tsareena

[foggy lodge]

Twin beam is crazy good into sneasler

[tiny karma]

Move: Twin Beam

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit.

Type

Psychic

Category

Special

Power

40

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

2-hit Normal move, right?

[cyan smelt]

psychic

[stone trellis]

So just Psychic type Dual Wingbeat.

[real prairie]

psychic

[short quiver]

is this farigirafs move??

[real prairie]

without the miss chance

[real prairie]

yeah

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[short quiver]

dual wingbeat can miss?

ive never seen it miss ever

[tiny karma]

Move: Dual Wingbeat

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit.

Type

Flying

Category

Physical

Power

40

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

Psychic Fangs + Tera Stellar + Choice Band + Psychic Terrain is kinda cracked.

[cyan smelt]

farigiraf also gets double hit for the tera dark sneaslers

[stone trellis]

Get this man an Indeedee!

[foggy lodge]

I feel like my dual wingbeats miss like 50% of the times

[real prairie]

bara?

[stone trellis]

Mine never misses as long as the user is Salamence and the target is Sneasler.

[cyan smelt]

thinking i might use skewda now

[stone trellis]

Yes.

[short quiver]

i really wanna use hydrapple at least once before we move from SV to Champions

[stone trellis]

Maintaining the Barraskewda agenda is our utmost priority!

[foggy lodge]

Its not a terrible pokemon

[short quiver]

hydrapple?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1019: Hydrapple

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Supersweet Syrup, Regenerator, Sticky Hold (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/80/110/120/80/44

Total

540

Sableye version 4.28.4

[real prairie]

@lofty bridge used it in GC, did wel

[foggy lodge]

It has the stats atleast

[real prairie]

think he got top 500

[foggy lodge]

It underspeeds the Ursalunas and can OHKO back

[short quiver]

just needs a bit more SpD and id be fine with it

i can fix that with an AV though

[cyan smelt]

fickle beam is noob bait

[stone trellis]

AV:

[short quiver]

literally just said that

[foggy lodge]

I feel like it really doesn't need the AV

[stone trellis]

I wonder how much CB Tera Stellar Close Combat does into Arch...

[foggy lodge]

You probably want lorb or something on it

[real prairie]

only downside with Baraskewda is i REALLY don't want to be in TR: https://pokepast.es/53010db83f1936b1

[short quiver]

syrup bomb fickle beam protect and blank (id like to use fickle beam YES i know its pure gambling)

[foggy lodge]

Its not like the other dragon moves are a lot better

[short quiver]

must be nice having two signature moves

[stone trellis]

It's just Dragon Pulse, but it occasionally becomes 20% better than Draco.

[tiny karma]

Move: Fickle Beam

Has a 30% chance this move's power is doubled.

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

80

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[stone trellis]

With no downsides or shit accuracy.

[short quiver]

yep

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Archaludon: 208-248 (105.5 - 125.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[real prairie]

252+ Atk Choice Band Barraskewda Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Archaludon: 158-186 (80.2 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[short quiver]

30% chance is crazy

[real prairie]

thats a really phys bulky Arch too

[stone trellis]

What about Tera Stellar?

[foggy lodge]

Archas were actually running bold during the last months of reg H

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Archaludon: 158-188 (80.2 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[real prairie]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Archaludon: 190-224 (96.4 - 113.7%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

[foggy lodge]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 244 HP / 44 Def / 4 SpA / 116 SpD / 100 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Body Press
• Snarl
• Electro Shot
• Flash Cannon

[short quiver]

pollen puff? EP? body press maybe? 🤔 maybe i could dragon cheer?

[stone trellis]

You can use it to enable the slower Pokemon on the team.

[stone trellis]

Earth Power hits the Steel types that it can't normally hit with Syrup Bomb or Fickle Beam.

So it's perfect on a more offensive set.

[short quiver]

so can body press

[real prairie]

TBH i usually hope a double muddy water turn 1 stops TR going up 🤣

[stone trellis]

If it gets Flamethrower, go Tera Fire.

It's both defensive and offensive here.

[short quiver]

only fire move it gets is sunny day 🥀

[stone trellis]

Go TB then.

[real prairie]

or tera blast

[short quiver]

so literally just flamethrower without being flamethrower

and without the burn chance

[foggy lodge]

Tera fighting tera blast like Kieran's Hydrapple

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/never-cook-again-never-cook-cook-never-goku-gif-3962474524105307442

[short quiver]

kieran had good mons he just wasn’t cooking with them

so fickle beam syrup bomb tera fire tera blast protect

and lorb apparently

ill look on munchstats later for a stat spread

[foggy lodge]

Tera fighting tera blast is crazy good in this format tho

You hit gambit archaludon tyranitar Porygon2 the ursalunas

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

[short quiver]

only one that can shrug off a fire tera blast is ttar

i think idk calcs off the top of my head

[foggy lodge]

Archaludon p2 and the ursas are not weak to flamethrower

[short quiver]

it’s neutral

[foggy lodge]

Tho ig its good for anti grass things

[short quiver]

not everything has to be SE

[foggy lodge]

Until you get ohkod by the headlong

[short quiver]

i mean i can use the normal tera blast without tera 🤷‍♂️

[foggy lodge]

How much damage does syrup bomb do

[short quiver]

to ursaluna?

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

[tiny karma]

Move: Syrup Bomb

If this move is successful, it causes the target's Speed to be lowered by 1 stage at the end of each turn for 3 turns.

Type

Grass

Category

Special

Power

60

Accuracy

85

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Artillery

Does not affect Bulletproof Pokémon.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[foggy lodge]

ITS THAT WEAK

[stone trellis]

Use Grass Knot or Energy Ball.

[short quiver]

guaranteed 2hko with this suggested set

[short quiver]

no i dont think i will

[foggy lodge]

And it misses

The move is terrible nvm lol

[real prairie]

lowering speed for a mon that wants to be the slowest thing inside of TR is not a good idea

[foggy lodge]

Exactly

[real prairie]

unless you are using it to lower your own mons speed

but thats such a niche tech

[short quiver]

i lowkey could do that

[foggy lodge]

Like the good thing it has to underspeed some mons like ursaluna it loses it because it lowers the speed

[short quiver]

since im tera fire terablast rain is a no

[foggy lodge]

And it probably isn't outspeeding some of the fast mons even with the drop lol

[short quiver]

syrup bomb then protect the next turn

theyll be -2 when i attack again

it lowers speed consecutively over 3 turns

[stone trellis]

Vex, go to DMs.

[short quiver]

😒

[stone trellis]

Do you want your 0 Speed Icy or no?

[foggy lodge]

Its still a terrible gimmick lol

[short quiver]

although maybe even that won’t be slow enough

hydrapple is slow 🥀

[foggy lodge]

Gamble on the fickle beam to oneshot the things ig

[short quiver]

fickle beam will for sure hurt

now i just gotta find a 0 speed apple dragon

[stone trellis]

I can get one for you.

You got me a 0 Speed Calyrex, it's only fair.

[short quiver]

apple dragon

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-bocchi-dance-anime-dance-anime-cute-dance-gif-8640564821222907754

[stone trellis]

Ready to start breeding.

[short quiver]

gonna use the tera fighting tera blast so i can have rain

and energy ball ig

[stone trellis]

Aight.

[tiny karma]

Move: Energy Ball

Has a 10% chance to lower the target's Special Defense by 1 stage.

Type

Grass

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Artillery

Does not affect Bulletproof Pokémon.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

so moonblast for grass

[dapper crag]

Trick room is such a busted move

[stone trellis]

Like I said, easily in the top 10 support moves.

[dapper crag]

Yall aint ready for wonder room

[short quiver]

isnt wonder room the one that shuts off items

or is that magic room

[dapper crag]

No thats magic room

But thats also a rlly solid pick

[stone trellis]

Wonder Room changes the defensive stats around, correct?

[dapper crag]

Yes

It made my calyrex shadow very bulky

[short quiver]

you

what

[stone trellis]

CSR player spotted; opinion dismissed.

[dapper crag]

You cant do this

[short quiver]

but we can

and we did

[dapper crag]

You did not

Shadow > Ice

[short quiver]

me when i lie

[dapper crag]

You just cant accept it

[stone trellis]

Ice Rider is second behind Miraidon in terms of regional wins in S/V with 6.

[short quiver]

why would i accept a false statement

[stone trellis]

2 more than CSR's 4.

[dapper crag]

Because Ice is more forgiving to make mistakes with

Shadow requires perfect execution

[stone trellis]

"CSR is better than Ice Rider"

[dapper crag]

https://tenor.com/view/calyrex-ghost-calyrex-shadow-rider-astral-barrage-pokemon-gif-12499362770308053912

[short quiver]

theres no more reg h events as far as we know rn right?

[dapper crag]

Rip

[stone trellis]

A Pokemon which doesn't require perfect execution in order to do well is better than one which does.

[stone trellis]

There are the regionals.

[short quiver]

🤔

[dapper crag]

Nuh uh

[short quiver]

yes

[stone trellis]

And probably another GC too.

Oh well, both die to CB Wicked Blow anyway.

[short quiver]

lowkey ludicolo pelipper looks pretty good

[dapper crag]

Where is Reg A when you need it

[waxen dock]

top 20 in reg h bo1

[short quiver]

bro im watching pokemon advanced

this guys mudkip sounds like the pikmin noise

[dapper crag]

Watch pokepark

[short quiver]

well i WANTED to watch johto journeys

but i couldnt find it

[dapper crag]

It’s a sign

[short quiver]

but like the into to johto adventures is peak

[cyan smelt]

i hate vgc, all the teams i build are hot garbage

[short quiver]

i also hate vgc none of my pokemon are good competitively

unless its name is ogerpon

[stone trellis]

Does it take more than a minute to get on my DMs and ask for help?

I'm way better at building teams than I am at actually using them.

[short quiver]

im good at random ideas that dont fucking work 😔

[bold geode]

Stinky 🫵

[cyan smelt]

i just lost to tera fairy ursaluna bm, this is why i hate cts

[foggy lodge]

Steal a japanese team

[solid frigate]

Or steal sauce teams

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/SrTorch13/status/1964975798106071043

Torch☄️ (@SrTorch13)

At least I tried. Finished 2nd with a record of 29-3.

Thanks to my friends at @CyL_VGC. Without their support, I wouldn't have come close to winning.

Next time will be mine.

X · Sep 8, 2025, 8:55 AM

https://x.com/mihono_suica/status/1965020239399395370

すいか (@mihono_suica)

So so.

X · Sep 8, 2025, 11:51 AM

@bold geode dude everything but the person who won

What are you hiding,,,

[waxen dock]

Use rentals maybe

[bold geode]

LMAO BRO I COULDN'T FIND HIM EITHER

[foggy lodge]

Could be a her

[bold geode]

I CAN'T FIND HIM/HER/THEM

[foggy lodge]

We can't fin him/her/they/them/any pronouns

[waxen dock]

Ykw

[strange juniper]

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1964841027577204752?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

marcofiero (@marc0fier0)

GGs!!!

X · Sep 7, 2025, 11:59 PM

[waxen dock]

I will now try to use revival pawmot

[strange juniper]

they're hiding team though

[foggy lodge]

No he didn't win

[waxen dock]

Both marco and hiis brother won the gcs

[foggy lodge]

That's a joke from marco

[strange juniper]

oh did he get overtaken in the end

oh nvm

[foggy lodge]

He picked up his brother's switch lol

[waxen dock]

So only his brother

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1964844979379192229

marcofiero (@marc0fier0)

@MichaelderBeste It's only the 4th time I steal his switch at the end of the GC to make this post 🔥

X · Sep 8, 2025, 12:15 AM

[waxen dock]

I actually dis fight his brother but lost

Did

He used like dnite arch team

[bold geode]

They took a pic of their brother's Switch LOL

[waxen dock]

Thats what i remeber from his team

[bold geode]

Wolfey con Dozo

[real prairie]

@stone trellis every use case for Barraskewda in 1 match 🤣 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2437588859-e4ttp11a9cwlbd8tre1gytgfxfe9rcppw

[waxen dock]

Im entering vilain arc and using revival bleesing

Blessing

And i will finally have oprimized evs

Optimized evs that finally outspeed atamant dnite

[dapper crag]

Your villain era is whenever you decide to use whimsicott

[waxen dock]

whims is so reg g

now its reg h

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode I FOUND IT

https://x.com/DeivVGC/status/1964947349832454425

Hahadeiv (@DeivVGC)

Finally won something

X · Sep 8, 2025, 7:02 AM

[bold geode]

Bro that shit looks so free for Incineroar

@chrome knot you know the GC choke is bad when you see #2330 as your final ranking and are surprised

[stone trellis]

Barraskewda might be the GOAT.

But why Politoed over Pelipper?

[real prairie]

slow and bulky

needed something to opperate in TR

[stone trellis]

Isn't Peli slower?

[real prairie]

technically yes, but struggles in TR

[stone trellis]

Oh wait, they're both base 60s.

Fair.

[real prairie]

high SpDef is better in TR

also access to Earth power >

[stone trellis]

I kind of wonder how much damage Rilla takes from Tera Stellar Choice Band Liquidation in rain after a Helping Hand.

That should be close to an OHKO, right?

[real prairie]

im using waterfall but yeah

run the calc haha

[stone trellis]

How much bulk does Rilla in Reg H even run?

[cyan smelt]

i'm about to give up on this reg

[stone trellis]

Mr Krabs, start using my team twinnnnn

[real prairie]

im close to following you lol

[real prairie]

it varies so much in this reg

ive seen no bulk bullet seed Rilla

ive seen all bulk AV rilla

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Helping Hand Waterfall vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Rillaboom in Rain: 178-210 (86.4 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[real prairie]

helping hand from where? lol

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Waterfall vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 79-93 (38.3 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[stone trellis]

I don't know, literally anyone.

But hey, Tera Stellar CB Close Combat also OHKOs.

[real prairie]

no?

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 140-166 (67.9 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[stone trellis]

Oh yeah, I'm calcing with Helping Hand in mind.

My bad, OG.

[real prairie]

not even ice fang does 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Ice Fang vs. 244 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 154-182 (74.7 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[cyan smelt]

i need to start using barraskewda

[real prairie]

I kind of want to use Aqua Jet on it, but need to calc something first

[stone trellis]

It kills Incin.

[real prairie]

then i think my calc is unnessisary lol

[stone trellis]

Does Incin in Reg H go up to 244 HP / 188 Def Impish?

If most of them run Adamant, most Incineroar are fucked.

[real prairie]

Usually higher SpDef in this reg if im not mistaken

was calcing for killing Talonflame before it can move lol

[stone trellis]

So like what, 116 Def Adamant?

If Incineroar dies in rain, I doubt Talonflame lives.

[real prairie]

was considering outside of rain

but yeah, think its a straight murder

Incin varies so much:

and thats just 1760+

The Sassy spread is the most used in 1500+

[stone trellis]

Yeah, Incin's dying.

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Flip Turn vs. 244 HP / 36 Def Incineroar in Rain: 232-276 (115.4 - 137.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[cyan smelt]

gholdengo is definitely dying

[real prairie]

does waterfall just kill Sneasler? if so i don't think i need Psychic fangs

itll just tera Dark anyway

[stone trellis]

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar Barraskewda Flip Turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo in Rain: 172-204 (105.5 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[real prairie]

most Ghould are bulkier than that

but yeah, its dead

Maybe i just run tera dragon outrage on it 🤣

[stone trellis]

I kind of wanted to try Psychic Terrain + Psychic Fangs.

Stops Rillaboom and sends Sneasler to hang out with MJ up in heaven.

Or Ted Bundy in hell

[real prairie]

Barra cant outspeed Dragapult without either Jolly or Rain 😭

[stone trellis]

6-point Speed advantage.

7, actually.

DON'T SAY IT

[real prairie]

ERGH!

252 SpA Life Orb Ludicolo Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragapult: 133-159 (81.5 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[stone trellis]

Go Modest...

[real prairie]

need timid

to outspeed Basculegion

[stone trellis]

Don't most of them run Scarf anyway?

[stone trellis]

Also, why use both Ludicolo and Barraskewda?

[real prairie]

sash