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[real prairie]

Welcome mate.

[lofty bridge]

What’s up?

[real prairie]

@torn parrot lookie, another Furret lover!

[torn parrot]

Wup?

https://tenor.com/view/eevee-pokemon-furret-contests-contest-gif-12171393939647075747

[lofty bridge]

Yay’

https://tenor.com/view/furret-pokemon-shiny-sentret-shiny-furret-gif-14706664

[lofty bridge]

I have a shiny one

[torn parrot]

Hell yeah!

I have a shiny that’s biggest size a furret can be

[lofty bridge]

Oooh adorable!!!

I have one with the best friend mark and the cloud watcher mark for the derpy furret vibes

[near crag]

Any ideas for sixth mon https://pokepast.es/19fce98f2d77742c ?

[lofty bridge]

Sneasler for something that can run outside of trick room but if your going hard trick room then torkoal probably

[stone trellis]

What does the Iron Ball do again?

[near crag]

half my speed, so I can underspeed torkoal and amoonguss

[stone trellis]

Don't the Power items do the exact same shit?

[near crag]

yeah

[stone trellis]

Why the Iron Ball then?

[near crag]

it is cooler

[solid frigate]

Also balls of steel

[shadow wind]

It also gets rid of ground immunities

And has a 130 base power fling

[stone trellis]

Yeah, cause Hatterene is clamoring to use Fling.

[polar canyon]

Unfortunate that you're losing the ground immunity on hatterene

[near crag]

There are three tera types for hatterene with less than 0,003% usage, and one of them is flying. Someone might just lose a game!

[wanton berry]

Got a question, once registered for a regional tournament do they send you competitors badge or is it given on entry at opening ceremony?

[short quiver]

that’s crazy

[next stump]

you can either pick it up the day before or the morning of

[teal kraken]

guys, i got an question, been thinking about playing the competitive, but i see people using alot of the dlc pokemons, like ogerpon, and i dont have the dlc, so what should i use that i can get on raids or in the base game?

[waxen dock]

There is now reg h woth no legendaries so dont worry about it

[teal kraken]

what is reg h

[teal kraken]

phew, at least i dont have to worry about getting destroyed by an ogerpon

[foggy lodge]

A lot of reg H important mons come from the DLC but they are easier to obtain because a lot of people can just trade them

Except Bloodmoon Ursaluna

[teal kraken]

oh ok

[foggy lodge]

That one is practically a legendary

[teal kraken]

like an semi legend?

[foggy lodge]

Nah its because you can only get 1 per file

[teal kraken]

ohhhhhh

ok

[foggy lodge]

Just like legendaries and is playable in regulation H

Actually one of the meta threats of reg H

[teal kraken]

regulation H is like what, non legendaries?

[gentle crag]

REGULATION J vs. REGULATION H BREAKDOWN FOR NEWCOMERS

From now until the end of August, we are currently in Regulation I. This ruleset allows for two restricted legendary pokemon. These are box art legendaries like Miraidon, Koraidon, Zacian, Zamazenta, etc. There's also DLC legendaries like Calyrex included there. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and in game until August 31st.

From September 1st onwards, there will be TWO active formats. If you want to play in game battles, you will be playing Regulation J. Regulation J is similar to Regulation I, but it also allows for mythical pokemon to be used. These mythical pokemon will count as a restricted pokemon, so you can't use unlimited. But for example, you could use Arceus and Groudon if you wanted to. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will be playable in game starting September 1st

The other active format will be Regulation H, an older format that is coming back again. This format CANNOT be played in game on the ranked ladder, it will only be available through Pokemon Showdown and through tournaments that the community hosts. This Regulations bans ALL Legendary pokemon and all Paradox pokemon allowing for weaker pokemon and strategies to be viable. This will be the ruleset for all in person tournaments, including small local events. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will ONLY be playable in game through community hosted events and in person tournaments, NOT ranked battles

Want to play Regulation H but don't enjoy Showdown or in person tournaments? Here is how to find community hosted tournaments - https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/?game=VGC

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[teal kraken]

ohhh

ty

[short quiver]

reg h is my home

[lofty tartan]

Reg H is only being played on Showdown/Limitless and in-person events, remember.

Yo @next stump you catch the irony of Global Challenge I being Reg H?

Well maybe not irony. Makes people think I, should probably be J, is H

https://tenor.com/view/see-myself-out-gif-21716927

[next stump]

LOL

[near crag]

Any thoughts on this? https://pokepast.es/51957ea1f40ed3ab

It's full speed primarina btw

[short quiver]

uhhh why

[short quiver]

im not complaining it means i can use typhlosion eruption🙂

[next stump]

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X · Aug 26, 2025, 7:30 PM

[bold geode]

I've cooked for the GC
Got some straight heat (I'm probably going to suck ass)

[short quiver]

chat theres a lokix at my job

[solid frigate]

Bro is gonna give first impression on you

[short quiver]

he already did

That’s why I noticed he was there

[short quiver]

shoulda held a mirror herb i coulda learned it as an egg move

[lofty tartan]

I'm just gonna use it to get some sets in for Pittsburgh. At least it's before the event and not during it

[forest arrow]

You figure out what you want to play yet?

[lofty tartan]

I've been sorta considering a core of dnite/sneasler/delphox/dd

[forest arrow]

Dnite let me down last night, I played 5 sets and missed 7 out of 10 scale shots

[lofty tartan]

Unsure of F vs M

[forest arrow]

Strong core

[lofty tartan]

I really like scale shot haze sets

[forest arrow]

Me too, I’ve been enjoying the DUG trio

[lofty tartan]

That's the other thing

[forest arrow]

Just last night he let me down bad lol

[lofty tartan]

Not running Gholdengo almost feels like a throw but so many people are gonna tech for it

I could run Indeedee-F and use Nasty Plot Water Tera Ghold

Helps protect Sneasler and Delphox

[forest arrow]

You could

Yeah fs I was about to say that

[lofty tartan]

I lose the speed and damage of M for redirect but most of the things considered appreciate terrain and redirection

[forest arrow]

I feel delphox definitely favors Indeedee F more

[short quiver]

have you been missing your scale shots? tired of those pesky inaccurate mives? hydrapple can help you! hydrapple is a new pokemon introduced in the dlc of the newest game that allows moves to hit more often

[forest arrow]

No

[short quiver]

hows my advertising skills

[lofty tartan]

Another thing I was thinking was just taking the risk and running Ttar/Exca

But rain is an issue

Buzz would be strong for that

[forest arrow]

Gives you a form of weather control, just yeah rain sucks for Sand the most fs

[craggy dagger]

-# dugtrio..

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 51: Dugtrio

Type

Ground

Abilities

Sand Veil, Arena Trap, Sand Force (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

35/100/50/50/70/120

Total

425

Other Formes

Dugtrio-Alola

Sableye version 4.28.4

[forest arrow]

We love dad jokes around here

[lofty tartan]

Yeah absolutely. So I'd need a lot of insurance. Gholdengo isn't bad into rain and is good in Sand so

[craggy dagger]

sorryyy
i couldn’t resist

100 atk-?
that’s
higher than i remember

[forest arrow]

Always welcome

[lofty tartan]

120 speed too

[short quiver]

why does the pipapu pokemon home gives you have nuzzle AND thunderwave. that seems pretty redundant to me

[lofty tartan]

Terrible bulk

[craggy dagger]

glass cannon except it’s not really a cannon
it’s kinda just glass

[lofty tartan]

Lol basically

[forest arrow]

I say give it a shot in the GC and see how it feels I know we have showdown for practice but I know you like playing cart more

[lofty tartan]

Yeah honestly reg H is familiar ground for me. I still remember my misplays from Toronto

https://tenor.com/view/ewan-mitchell-ewan-it-haunts-my-dreams-gif-7411973787846493362

[forest arrow]

This time you’ll be ready to kick corvs ass

[lofty tartan]

Corv was so strong into dd/bm/sneasler

[short quiver]

in another server im in someone is talking about toxapex infestation stall with assault vest and regenerator

[lofty tartan]

[short quiver]

that has to break some sort of law right 😭

[lofty tartan]

Stall is really meh in vgc. Not enough time to drag the game out

[short quiver]

still sounds illegal to me 😭

[lofty tartan]

You're not just stalling a single thing. You're trying to stay alive against two mons.

Nah. Toxapex hasn't fared well in awhile

[short quiver]

they planned to pair it with a raichu

[lofty tartan]

Sounds worse

[short quiver]

i think the plan was air balloon raichu

[lofty tartan]

Somehow

[forest arrow]

Hmm

[lofty tartan]

I'd love to see air balloon raichu at Pit

[short quiver]

their team is for the global challenge, not for Pit

[lofty tartan]

Same format. Lol.

[short quiver]

idk i dont like the idea

i like raichu, i dont like toxapex tho

[craggy dagger]

that
how would that work

[short quiver]

i dont want to know

[craggy dagger]

you wouldn’t be able to bunker for poison chip
you can’t set up hazards either

and infestation ends when you swap

[short quiver]

yeah

[craggy dagger]

it’s just a target ig

[short quiver]

i know all of this

[chrome knot]

buhbuh haiii

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Toxapex

Whirlpool:

• Toxapex does not learn Whirlpool in Generation 9

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

toxapex is one of those mons you couldnt pay me to use

[craggy dagger]

hiiiu

[short quiver]

thats unfortunate

[chrome knot]

haiiii

[craggy dagger]

hru doing?

[chrome knot]

goooooooddd

[craggy dagger]

that’s good to hear
anything interesting happen?

[chrome knot]

not reaaalllyyyyy

been lowkey saaddddd bc i miss kat lmao other than that just

alive n such

[craggy dagger]

[polar canyon]

Funny that 90% of tatsu players are playing dondozo

Wonder what the 10% is doing

[craggy dagger]

storm drain

[chrome knot]

i hungy

[craggy dagger]

do you not have any snacks?

[chrome knot]

dinner soon but

hungwy and body shaking,,,

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/24fbd4fcc059d682

how can i make this team stronger im getting swept on showdown rn

[craggy dagger]

the lack of protect on your offensive mons is worrying

running 0spe -spe nature torkoal without trick room…?

[lofty bridge]

That also puzzled me

[short quiver]

it gives me an answer to opposing trick room (theoretically)

[lofty bridge]

Scrap that honestly

[short quiver]

it would work if I had to move i could hit fire type with

i also need a steel type move i will never be disrespected by a Gweezing like that again

[dull ibex]

Resetting or imprison is a better answer to trick room

[lofty bridge]

If you wanna run torkoal run it supportively no attacking moves with yawn helping hand protect and clear smog for that specific team

[short quiver]

meowscarada trick room? 😏

[dull ibex]

No

[short quiver]

but like it works

[stone trellis]

JUST USE TAUNT VEX

[dull ibex]

Sure theoretically

[short quiver]

how am i supposed to taunt a magic bounce hatterene

if i just reset the tr it works better for me

[dull ibex]

Ykw go ahead

You'll figure out why it doesn't work anymore

[short quiver]

i need a tr denial 😭

[dull ibex]

Farigiraf

Indeedee F

[short quiver]

i also need a steel type move on someone

[stone trellis]

Or a Poison move...

[short quiver]

steel

gweezing takes only neutral from poison

[dull ibex]

Oh right you're using bad mons (for the format)

[stone trellis]

Or a Ground move FOR GOD'S SAKE PUT EP ON TORKOAL ALREADY

Has Yawn ever helped you win a game?

[short quiver]

meow typhlosion torkoal clefable arent bad reg h mons

[short quiver]

once 😑

[dull ibex]

Even in reg h they are just okay

[short quiver]

and whimsicott is good in any format

[stone trellis]

Not enough to keep it.

You need a coverage option.

Torkoal can be an offensive piece.

[dull ibex]

Tork is great as an offensive piece

[stone trellis]

Exactly.

[dull ibex]

Eruption heat wave EP protect

[short quiver]

okay and who gets sacrificed for farigiraf

[stone trellis]

Or Overheat instead of Eruption since it's an Eject Pack set.

He already has an Eruption abuser.

[dull ibex]

Ah ok

[stone trellis]

Who contributes the least to your team?

Who do you bring the least to games and never get to do anything with them when you do?

[short quiver]

i brought garchomp to one single game

[stone trellis]

Right.

Also wait, you can bring Garchomp against Gweezing.

Tera Ground leaves you with no weaknesses into it and you can just Lorb Stomping Tantrum it to death.

[short quiver]

i need it to die in one turn

if that ST isnt enough for that then uh we still have an issue

and i still need someone to sac for farigiraf

[stone trellis]

252 Atk Life Orb Tera Ground Garchomp Stomping Tantrum vs. 252 HP / 52+ Def Neutralizing Gas Weezing-Galar: 172-203 (100 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Yeah, Weezing will most likely die in one turn.

[short quiver]

but im forced to tera for it

sad

[stone trellis]

Double up into it.

[short quiver]

and again who do i sac for farigiraf

[stone trellis]

Why do you want Clefable again?

[short quiver]

follow me, misty terrain

and it gives me a fairy move since play rough meow isnt a thing anymore

[stone trellis]

Hold on.

Misty Terrain + Yawn?

[short quiver]

what

i dont click yawn anyways

i genuinely only have it cuz i was told to run it 🤷‍♂️

[stone trellis]

Then replace it with Earth Power.

Anyway, why Misty Terrain?

Clefable has so many much more valuable support moves.

[short quiver]

cuz psychic terrain stops my whimsicott from taunting and encoring

“and i took that personally”

[stone trellis]

Wait it out or use Ice Spinner on Meowscarada.

[short quiver]

instead of axel?

[stone trellis]

Fuck me, it doesn't get it.

I wish Clefairy could learn Trick Room.

It would make my life a billion times easier.

Right, so let's assess all your teammates and see who makes the most sense to drop.

[knotty mirage]

So uh question does more people run magearna with fleur cannon or dazzling gleam ?

[short quiver]

cannon

[stone trellis]

Torkoal: strong offensive piece, enables the sun, neccessary
Typhlosion: main offensive piece, gives you insight as to the opponent's items while also being really fast, neccessary
Whimsicott: key support, has speed control via Tailwind and can use Taunt + Encore to bully certain Pokemon, keep it
Garchomp: secondary offensive piece, offers great physical damage and allows you to hit Fire types, keep it
Clefairy: Enables Whimsicott, redirects to keep the offensive pieces alive for longer, great support, keep it

So this just leaves one Pokemon.

[short quiver]

meow fast physical sweeper so i have a second main damage dealer

[knotty mirage]

Are you sure

[stone trellis]

Fleur Cannon has the benefit of not being blocked by Wide Guard and putting Zamazenta on a T-shirt at +1 with Helping Hand.

And the Special Attack reduction doesn't sting as much if you kill with it.

[knotty mirage]

The thing is can you just final gambit zamazenta anyway

[stone trellis]

Then I guess there's no room for Farigiraf.

[stone trellis]

I don't use Annihilape + Magearna, I consider it worse than those people who ran CSR-Zama on ladder and thought they were untouchable.

[knotty mirage]

The thing is i'm considering using ape magearna so with the fact that i can just ohko wide guard mon with final gambit i'm thinking of using dazzling more

[stone trellis]

If you're willing to settle for doing far less damage, go ahead.

[knotty mirage]

But i guess i just don't like fleur cannon to just get denied by follow me and get -2 sp attack anyway

[stone trellis]

You already have Torkoal, Typhlosion and Garchomp.

Modest Typhlosion in the sun, might I add.

[short quiver]

what does that have to do with farigiraf

[stone trellis]

You don't need another fast offensive piece.

I know how much you love Meowscarada and I 100% get it.

OHKOing Indeedee with U-turn feels like you just aced a test you didn't even know you were taking until the day you took it.

[short quiver]

i like meowscarada as a pokemon

its such a cool fuckin design

[stone trellis]

Again, I get it.

And you can even keep it if Farigiraf ends up sucking ass.

But sometimes you don't get to use your favorites when you want to win.

[short quiver]

but meowscarada can help me win

i believe

[stone trellis]

Just try out Farigiraf.

Again, if it ends up not working, you can bring back Meowscarada.

[short quiver]

farigiraf could replace chompy

psychic is super effective to poison

and as we said i plan to double the weezing slot anyways

[stone trellis]

This might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Garchomp? Really?

[short quiver]

i dont even use it 😭

[stone trellis]

Jesus Christ, you are taking years off of my life.

Fine, replace it with Farigiraf.

[short quiver]

your a child shut up dawg

[stone trellis]

I already look older than I actually am.

I'll end up looking like my dad before I'm old enough to drink.

[short quiver]

ive been employed since i was your age

😒

[stone trellis]

Congratulations, I guess?

Anyway, go ahead.

Use Meowscarada.

At least I can help you build a good Farigiraf set.

[short quiver]

ive been winning games with magic cat since reg c i dint plan to stop now

[short quiver]

😃

[dense latch]

what are you struggling with

you can use meowscarada sure but i struggle to see it working in this team

[stone trellis]

^

[bold geode]

Papa has cooked some hot dogshit dw

[short quiver]

galarian weezing and psychic terrain

seperate issues obviously

psychic terrain shuts off whimsicott taunt and encore

and gweezing shuts off my sun, my info with htyphlosion frisk, meow type change, clefable immunity to poison damage, whimsicott prankster

i wish meow learned like metal claw or psycho cut or smthn

so she herself can punish gweezing

steel would be ideal

[dense latch]

use your garchomp

i already mentioned sunny day on whim would be a good idea to reset sun

[short quiver]

instead of

[dense latch]

taunt

[polar canyon]

Garchomp famously deactivates psychic terrain

[dense latch]

talking about gweezing

also something mentioned was that if you already have tailwind you should go for specs timid typhlosion

[short quiver]

someone in a different comp server said i could give whimsicott moonblast and trade clefable for farigiraf. thoughts?

[short quiver]

noted

[dense latch]

yea i also told you yesterday(?) that moonblast was miles better on whim

the more i see this i just feel like torkoal doesn't do much

manual sun is enough

[short quiver]

does that justify removing clefable entirely for farigiraf though

[dense latch]

farigiraf is an interesting option

[short quiver]

it sits there clicks sun and leaves

[short quiver]

i want it to imprison to prevent trick room

and also to protect typhlosion from sucker punch/aqua jet/other sillies like that

and to click throat spray psychic noise at poison types

[dense latch]

this is shaping up to be one of these early meta teams with meow

i think i can find one somewhere

[short quiver]

😃

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/a840863467ae94ca went something like this

[short quiver]

i like those words

[dense latch]

ignore the cud chew on farig i didnt change that

[short quiver]

armor tail 100% better right

[short quiver]

and then whimsicott sunny day?

no i wouldnt want sun anymore cuz of primarina

right

[dense latch]

you don't have to set sun up every game

[short quiver]

it helps eruption though

it makes funny delete button

[dense latch]

there's gonna be games where you're not gonna bring typhlosion

[short quiver]

true

there will also be games i cant bring my beloved cat to

ive been using meow in every format since reg c i dont plan to stop now

(reg c when i started playing comp)

[dense latch]

there's a lot of ways you can use prim item and spread wise

mostly up to you

[short quiver]

could i give meow pledge with this specific team

just curious

[dense latch]

yea it's an option

https://pokepast.es/f5fec0f32af51716 this is the team i was referring to, this is early early meta

but it's marcofiero so

[short quiver]

like reg a?

[dense latch]

early reg h

[short quiver]

😃

[dense latch]

as in before it officially began but it had been announced

[short quiver]

nooooo whimsicotttt

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/1b06e9179d35c393 i built this myself too and it was okay for a bit

[short quiver]

whats wrong with it

[dense latch]

if you want pledges you might have to use murkrow as you lose haze on prim

[short quiver]

makes sense

i dont think i would anyways cuz like

meowscarada likes those 4 attack slots

such a shame it doesn’t learn metal claw

or like any steel move at all

[dense latch]

just became kinda mid as the meta shaped up

[short quiver]

shame

looks like a good team

primarina would be what haze hypervoice moonblast protect?

[dense latch]

yes

[short quiver]

and typhlosion standard eruption heat wave overheat shadow ball choice specs cuz of tailwind?

[dense latch]

yes

[short quiver]

can i use playrough over axel here

[near crag]

What are some good tr sweepers other than stuff like torkoal, ursa, gambit, or hatterene? Been testing hydrapple and dozo but they're kinda underwhelming.

[short quiver]

if im not mistaken armarouge can be a tr mon cant it

[near crag]

yeah, but under tr hatterene should be nicer, although it can't set up with meteor beam/click armor cannon

[short quiver]

🙂

[short quiver]

do you have spreads for this team

only thing i wont keep is the pledges

i want meow to cook where meow cooks best

fast physical damage

[next stump]

Primarina can work decently

[short quiver]

can someone tell me what game freak was thinking giving meowscarada trick room

like, why 😭

[brave hazel]

Neutralising gas is so OP in singles

[short quiver]

neutralizing gas is op in general

shutting off almost all abilities is broken

[brave hazel]

What abilities does it not shut off ?

[short quiver]

the calyrex’s for one

[brave hazel]

Isn’t its ability just a berry eating ability anyways

Kinda mid

[short quiver]

no

well yes, but no

i said calyrex’s plural

referring to all 3 diff calyrex forms

as one isnt affected

[brave hazel]

I know it shuts down booster energy

koraidons sun as well,

Extremely useful

[short quiver]

according to google quark drive and protosynthesis are unaffected

[brave hazel]

Nah they updated it

[short quiver]

so this is the list of abilities that dont care about weezing

[brave hazel]

Do you reckon normal weezing or galarian weezing has better defence typing

[short quiver]

galar if im not mistaken

[brave hazel]

poison/fairy vs just normal poison

[short quiver]

yea

[brave hazel]

I feel like running this with twave & screens grim would be so annoying to players

[short quiver]

stay away from me

I WISH MEOWSCARADA LEARNED METAL CLAW 😭

[brave hazel]

Especially with wisp on weezing

[short quiver]

i could do tera steel tera blast but that requires my tera

[brave hazel]

Kinda weird it don’t, I mean it has long claws

how hard is it to make them metal

lol

[short quiver]

ig harder for it than setting up trick room

which does nothing but hurt it

[brave hazel]

I haven’t personally dived into a trick room play yet

feel like it’s a hard card to play

[short quiver]

they couldve even given meow cross poison or something

id have been cool with that

[brave hazel]

Realising that neutralising gas shuts down terrain ability’s to, such as rilla.

Wondering if the terrain is already up, will the gas take it away on switch in

[short quiver]

but yk it can just randomly learn thunderpunch

[short quiver]

no

if the terrain is already set up it will still play out its duration

unless removed by another terrain or a move that will remove it

like ice spinner and steel roller and stuff

[next stump]

yooooo wait

maybe crazy way to use meowscarada

are you ready

[short quiver]

yes

[next stump]

soak + partner kilowattrel

[short quiver]

what

[next stump]

soak won an early scarlet violet tournament

kilo gets competitive to counter incineroar

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Meowscarada

Soak:

• Meowscarada does not learn Soak in Generation 9

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

🤨

[brave hazel]

You reckon max ev in def & sp def , or def & hp or sp & hp

For weezing

hate not using sp attack EVs tho

[dense latch]

in most cases you should prioritize hp

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Weezing isn't much of an attacker by any stretch. He does some chip but he's mostly around for Gas

[brave hazel]

So weird we don’t have a HP nature

[brave hazel]

I’ll stack the hp up then

[dense latch]

you’re not required to max out two stats, you can just invest a bit into both defenses and maybe have 4 - 20 spatk evs

[short quiver]

so uh @next stump meow doesnt learn soak so what are you cooking

[dense latch]

some other pokemon with soak i assume

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-i-see-gif-25052382

[next stump]

oh shit lol it was fake tears meows and soak tatsugiri

https://pokepast.es/b308524478bb07ab

[short quiver]

OH????

Now we’re cooking

[next stump]

does flower trick KO incin if they’re water type

surely it does right

[short quiver]

how do we even check that

does the damage calc have an option for soak/forestcurse/trickortreat

[atomic mural]

you can just change the type of the pokemon

[next stump]

252 Atk Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 244 HP / 76+ Def Tera-Water Incineroar on a critical hit: 146-174 (72.6 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

dude this pokemon fucking sucks

[short quiver]

dont insult my fucking cat

[short quiver]

where choice band

[next stump]

even adamant won’t KO, you need tera

[short quiver]

i really wanna try tera steel tera blast

soak tatsugiri is very intriguing

[short quiver]

sigh…… sylveon…. 😒

sylveon is my only issue with that team

[dense latch]

damn that's it

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 908: Meowscarada

Types

Grass/Dark

Abilities

Overgrow, Protean (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

76/110/70/81/70/123

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.4

[dense latch]

😭

[short quiver]

theoretically what would AV make meows SpD stat be (i wont be using it im just asking)

[short quiver]

ill try this team but can i use someone besides sylveon😒

[dense latch]

i mean sure

this looks like a reg a team so you have way more options

[short quiver]

true

who we think i could slot there instead

trick room fake tears meowscarada

what a silly movespread 😭

i could use helping hand instead of fake tears cant i

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Meowscarada

Helping Hand:

• As Meowscarada from a TM, HM or TR
• As Floragato from a TM, HM or TR
• As Sprigatito from a TM, HM or TR

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

yes

i dont see the point in doing so

its just an option available

[bold geode]

https://youtu.be/IcxhcwCvU_A?si=V5TdB6f3DPAn6Jut
Not a bad video

Does cover some teams good

[short quiver]

i shall look for a fairy type to replace sylveon with

Azumarill Gardevoir Tinkaton Dachsbun stand out to me

mimikyu maybe

tinkaton gets fake out right

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Tinkaton

Fake Out:

• As Tinkaton by level up (39)
• As Tinkatuff by level up (39)
• As Tinkatink by level up (39)

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

yep

interesting

if only its attack stat was higher

ah yes THE HAMMER POKEMON learns METAL CLAW but the fucking CAT POKEMON WITH HUGE ASS CLAWS DOESNT

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-rock-anxiety-panic-panic-attack-gif-27018980

[lofty tartan]

Yeah the steel pokemon learns the steel move and the grass/dark pokemon didn't. Not that big of a shocker, really.

[short quiver]

meowscarada is a cat why wouldnt it learn a claw move 😭

[lofty tartan]

Because how something looks usually doesn't lend to it's move pool.

[short quiver]

game freak gotta get they shit together tbh

a cat should learn the literal claw move. cat=claws=metal claw

😒

[lofty tartan]

But the grass cat doesn't have metal claws

[dense latch]

it's not like metal claw is gonna do much damage

[short quiver]

it can sharpen them though with, hone claws, shall we say

[lofty tartan]

Sharp =/= metal

O.o

[short quiver]

true, but it gives a steel move outside terablast

[dense latch]

50 base power non stab move off a 110 attack stat 😭

[lofty tartan]

It's everything

[short quiver]

*stab cuz of protean

[dense latch]

252 Atk Meowscarada Metal Claw vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Weezing-Galar: 60-72 (34.8 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO this is stab btw

[lofty tartan]

There's probably a reason why Metal Claw doesn't really see play in competitive.

[short quiver]

its better than nothing

[bold geode]

Torkoal and Gyarados get Helping Hand

[short quiver]

like metal claw, cross poison, SOMETHING to hit fairys with

[short quiver]

SEE???

[lofty tartan]

He's meaning they get Helping Hand despite not having hands.

[short quiver]

but a cat with literal claws cant learn metal claw 😃

[lofty tartan]

So saying Meow needs metal claw because it has claws is irrelevant

[bold geode]

Yeah
So like if they're gonna do that, then it's not out the reach for cat to not have metal claws

[short quiver]

sigh

[bold geode]

Meowscarada is kinda doodoo anyways and like
You probably don't want to be trying to hit Fairy types with it and if you are, just use Flower Trick

[short quiver]

what would a 252+ attack tinkatons attack stat be

[lofty tartan]

Pokemon are bodies of energy anyway. None of this makes rational sense.

Dex entry for Magcargo says he's hotter than the sun but doesn't burn through the earth

[bold geode]

Honestly yeah Meow would just Flower Trick Fairy types
Strong neutral attacks are good too, don't always have to hit for SE

[short quiver]

gweezing and any steelfairy would like a word

i could like low sweep or something for nuetral to a steel fairy

[lofty tartan]

Grass types are naturally disadvantaged vs Poison types and Steel/Fairy is very strong defensively.

[bold geode]

There are like no Steel/Fairy types that will be around commonly and and honestly G Weezing is kinda ass

At least in H

[lofty tartan]

They're worrying about Tinkaton.

[bold geode]

Literally slap that bitch with a Fire or Ground move from something else

[lofty tartan]

I love Tink, but it's really not a relevant threat.

[bold geode]

Tinkaton is irrelevant

[short quiver]

no i want to use tinkaton its not what im scared of. im scared of mawile

[lofty tartan]

But yeah it's realistically impossible for a single pokemon to answer everything. That's why we have teams of 6 and 2 pokes on the field at all times

[bold geode]

Mawile is in SV?

[lofty tartan]

Mawile...

[short quiver]

yes lmao

[lofty tartan]

No, it isn't in Gen 9 at all.

[bold geode]

Idt it is

[lofty tartan]

It's not.

[bold geode]

I've never seen a Mawile

[short quiver]

no its not im dumb

myb chat, anyways

[bold geode]

[short quiver]

^

[lofty tartan]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[bold geode]

That
Wtf is the team anyways

Tryna use Meow and Tinkaton makes me worried

[lofty tartan]

In the time it took you to ask that question twice, you could've had the answer several times over, and I'd have to add the EVs to Tinkaton's stats to find it anyway, so it's better that you learn how to fish.

[short quiver]

139

insanity

[lofty tartan]

[bold geode]

Like imma be honest, my GC team is a bit weird but it's not Meow and Tinkaton weird

[lofty tartan]

I don't think Meowscarada is bad in Regulation H.

It patches a few matchups, depending on your team comp.

[short quiver]

i need a fairy and dont wanna use sylveon for this team

[bold geode]

Yeah thing is though
There's just better mons usually

[lofty tartan]

Tinkaton does not fill the same role that Sylveon does here.

This is like Yawn pressure Pixilate. Tinkaton doesn't apply much pressure with Play Rough, and the real damage comes specifically from Gigaton Hammer with that 75 base attack.

[bold geode]

Like the uses have to be super niche like "oh hey I need something to nuke Dondozo"

[short quiver]

who can i use though 😔

[bold geode]

Which idk if it's even reliable at that anymore

[dense latch]

yea they just tera out the grass weakness and meowscarada's a sitting duck

[lofty tartan]

This Meow, I would never run.

More like Scarf or Band, 3 attack U-Turn

[short quiver]

id use the team you sent with primarina whim typhlosion farig but i suck at stat spreads

[lofty tartan]

It's good at pressuring Rilla and random dragons with Triple Axel, has fast, hard hitting Knocks, and Flower Trick can definitely explode things, especially with Band.

Like Flower Trick to cut through stat bonuses from Dozo is one thing

[dense latch]

use munchstats to get some basic spreads

[short quiver]

ill look at said site soon

alr i have the pokepaste saved to my notes

ill handle the munchstats in a bit

omg im dumb

the team already had ev spreads

im so stupid 😭

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-sad-corner-gif-25663472

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2429390836-6dgdxqt23l7gpou5y1s37x7cdk4f7agpw

perish song who

[rustic mountain]

its def not good

[short quiver]

why the fuck does ursaluna have vacuum wave 😭

[shadow wind]

Tree have you been playing some H?

[dull ibex]

Hello chat

[brave hazel]

What move gets rid of entry hazards again ? Other then rapid spin

Is it defog ? Or is that just stats

[dense latch]

defog yes

haze is the one that removes stat changes

[brave hazel]

Can weezing learn this

ahh yes that’s it

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Weezing-Galar

Defog:

• As Weezing-Galar by level up (1)

Sableye version 4.28.4

[brave hazel]

Sweeeet,

Ima run

Toxic spikes
Willow o wisp
Defog
& a poison move

[dense latch]

i think i'd do strange steam given all the dragons

from the usage stats i have in singles most of the best mons are weak to it

[brave hazel]

What’s that do ?

Haven’t even heard of that

[tiny karma]

Move: Strange Steam

Has a 20% chance to confuse the target.

Type

Fairy

Category

Special

Power

90

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.4

[brave hazel]

This move instead of a posion damaging move then

[short quiver]

isnt that Gweezings signature move

[brave hazel]

Bet, I’ll run this.

[brave hazel]

I’m not sure, I haven’t got it yet, trading the event rillabloom for it later tonight

never used weezing before. But I got slapped with it in singles so I wanna run it

[rustic mountain]

yea i hit 1500s the other day

i just wish it wasnt only sd

[shadow wind]

Holy goat

Wait, bo1 or bo3?

[rustic mountain]

conner u know the answer to this

[shadow wind]

Bo1 🥀

[dense latch]

i havent been able to get out of 1500s since i got there lol

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/f44e4988192de83c

I made this like 20 minutes ago and I'm currently 2-0 but it feels really wrong

[rustic mountain]

hitting 1500s still nice, its upper ladder rn tho so not surprising

i havent played since i hit 1500s i was grinding quite a bit for a few day stretch

[dense latch]

im honestly gonna switch to bo3 once im off tilt from all the hax i've been experiencing lately

[shadow wind]

We love Bo3 !

[dense latch]

one dire claw sleep matters less when it's across an entire set
that also makes for more chances for dire claw to sleep me tho ):

[shadow wind]

Why I use Ttar drill

I love Ttar drill

[dense latch]

i'm not feeling the hydreigon

[brave hazel]

Why do people run things like sheer cold when it the odds are clearly against you

[shadow wind]

Yeah me neither

I like the idea with levitate but it feels weird

[dense latch]

it's kinda good in singles when stalling is easier

gives you more chances to hit it so the expected value rises

[brave hazel]

Alright this makes more sense now

[shadow wind]

What if

Rotom Wash

[dense latch]

washed is in the name

[rustic mountain]

id re evaluate ur play/team and really get to seeing what u can do to minimize ur rng cuz the game is the game but u gta take control of wat ur able to at the same time

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/b2e6bafa8ceaea54 im just using this rn

[shadow wind]

I'm not known for using not washed mons

[dense latch]

i had haze on dnite i just pasted in these new evs so the teras are a bit different

[near crag]

Actually just built a ttar excadrill team with rotom wash

[dense latch]

i think the tilt is a part of why i may not be doing so well but

[near crag]

With corvinight, indeedee male and sneasler

[rustic mountain]

tilt does contribute yea

[dense latch]

when i say the rng has been bad it's been bad

guaranteed win position in late game then dire claw sleep

or a crit turn 1 which happened three times in a ladder sesh a bit ago

[rustic mountain]

not really guaranteed then right? if theres even the chance ur allowing that instance to take place ur giving ur opponent that out to make it not a guaranteed win thats kinda my point

[dense latch]

almost guaranteed ig my bad

[brave hazel]

Man dragonite is so bulky with its stats & ability, I have it atm with 0 speed EV for the extreme speed normal Terra.

Its bulk gets of a dragon dance no matter what.

[shadow wind]

Why is Hydreigon so mid

98 speed kills the guy

[brave hazel]

Is it really ? I got it the other day shiny in a heavy ball, was gonna train it & use it

[shadow wind]

Well you don't see him to much do you

[rustic mountain]

that goes back to play on looking back wat u can do to make it where its not outspeeding u in the late game for dire claw to be a factor/ or maybe u played loosely w/ one mon in the early game that wouldve been beneficial to have in the late game and wouldve still had u win even despite the dire claw sleep. u have to be able to re play certain parts of the game to even where u win or are in a "winning position" theres other turns if played differently wouldve put u in an even more advantageous position to where those factors arent there
and sure ull have some games like that just doesnt happen and the "hax" happens but like as long as its not consistent u just chalk that up to the game and even then can look back at things u couldve adjusted that potentially change that outcome

[dense latch]

yea i need to get into the mentality that if i can and should play optimally such that rng is not consistently losing me games

[rustic mountain]

and its one of those like, it never really ends theres always room for improvement and thats always going to be one of the components for improvement is seeing and understanding better where those decisions lead and their subsequent influence of how it alters the course of a game

[brave hazel]

Gonna give assault vest venosaur a try

[rustic mountain]

y

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2429427863-j2gmbg70l6adctmytk247u4vfiokeltpw just got on to try to change my mentality and look for optimal plays as much as i can

[near crag]

I feel like making a good enough game plan to avoid stuff like this requires a very deep knowledge of the team you're playing. Play it for like a week, without changing it too significantly, and then start thinking about flowcharting for top teams. If you have a couple plans and leads for most combinations of mons, you should get really consistent results.

[brave hazel]

Just has a lot of coverage options

[dense latch]

then i just get crit and lose

there might be some line i could've gone for instead of what i did but i don't see it

[near crag]

Lilligant gets after you into full power eruption

[dense latch]

he's playing singles

[brave hazel]

I only play singles

[near crag]

ooooooh

[brave hazel]

haven’t stepped into doubles yet

[near crag]

nvm sounds like great fun

[brave hazel]

Will soon tho

I’ll win next worlds, watch

[rustic mountain]

if u were optimal u wouldve protected and tailwinded that 2nd turn. by virtue of u giving them the speed advantage u opened urself up to getting crit. even t1 u put urself on the backfoot against talon ursa lead with wat u brought because they can just tw and threaten u w/ massive damage regardless

[near crag]

send the link to the finals in this chat, and I'll watch it (pinky promise)

[dense latch]

damn you're right

[rustic mountain]

yea dude like it all trickles down

[brave hazel]

I got you dw

[rustic mountain]

every decision from before the match even starts

[dense latch]

im still getting used to tw dnite but still

haven't even used tw since mid reg g

[near crag]

do you play balance or tr?

[dense latch]

both depending on format

[near crag]

Or smth else?

[dense latch]

used cir for reg g cir mirai reg i and now balance in reg h

[near crag]

Tr is mad strong rn, ngl

[dense latch]

bitching about my luck is just gonna get me nowhere

[rustic mountain]

and thats fine moreso overall on how to go about ur approach, one thing i always like asking of wat im leading is if itd be effective into just about anything theyd lead (within reason) and atleast give myself the tools to get out of it if not. for u that decision of wat u lead into a decently common possibility from them which is ursa talon is then already hurting u from the jump

[dense latch]

most of my mistakes come from team preview so maybe i just need to learn some of my matchups a bit better

[lofty tartan]

I've considered it a few times to patch a few matchups.

There are easily worse things in Reg H.

[rustic mountain]

oh for sure thats why i didnt say it was bad but had to emphasize it def isnt good either

[lofty tartan]

Right. It's niche.

It only really fits a few places

[rustic mountain]

niche and like doesnt exactly offer a whole lot in that niche

[dense latch]

also idk how i beat dozo now 😭

[lofty tartan]

Fast Grass attacker with Knock, really. Triple Axel to scare off Rillaboom from my Indeedee. That's basically it

[dense latch]

obv haze isn't the only factor but idk if i have the damage to get rid of it before and after tera

[near crag]

Or maybe play stuff youre more used to, too. Torkoal, ursaluna, indeedee, hatterene, lilligant and dpult is a team I've been running, and it feels just like those mirai lunala/cir teams, imo.

[rustic mountain]

can u fit encore onto a9?

oh wait u have encore wtf

just do that

[dense latch]

o right lmao

removing protect from what they can do is pretty nice

[rustic mountain]

im thinkin either encore em into protect

[dense latch]

i can probably get a good pin with rilla + a9

[rustic mountain]

or like encore order up end game w/ a9

[near crag]

Btw, on a separate note, is dozo still a top pick rn? Feel like with so many clear smog/haze running around rn, it should be borderline unviable, no?

[rustic mountain]

its not a top pick but its around

steel tera for clear smog, haze just outplay

[dense latch]

non-dozo mode should prob also be good into what dozo isn't

instead of relying on dozogiri every game regardless of what the opponent has

[near crag]

Thought of a glimmora pawmot gholdengo dnite squad to pair with it. Should this do, or maybe rebuild the whole thing?

Btw, glimmora is there to poison stuff before dozo, and pawmot is sometimes a get out of jail free card if they spent all their resources killing the poor whale, or got too lucky

Plus helpful coverage

[rustic mountain]

yea exactly

[rustic mountain]

i feel like this was done in an early format by chuppa. idt it has the staying power for reg h specifically tho. could always just try it out tho but i think its telling that the dozo believers all dropped it for reg h

[near crag]

didn't see it, the idea came from looking up dozo giri in labmaus and mixing some stuff up

[near crag]

what's mostly ran rn. then?

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2426723415-fq9y7bdc7ymimuvbxdji06brkjupgk7pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2426730522-0vpuqu90u9p6hlrbet8upuyknltiv97pw
its a bit varied. these are the 2 most recent ones i ran into tho

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1960417434042818622

marcofiero (@marc0fier0)

After many requests, I'm releasing a full guide on my Charizard-Jumpluff team that got me 1st place at LAIC and 2nd place at Toronto & Gdansk.

Please buy only if you've tried the team and are serious about running it at any Reg H majors:

https://t.co/q8Yav2d7Bs

X · Aug 26, 2025, 7:01 PM

[cyan smelt]

such a good team

[brave hazel]

Online says that neutralising gas makes weezing immune to toxic ? Is this correct

I thought the ability only shuts off other ability’s

Never mind I read it wrong. I find it weird that poison types ain’t immune to toxic.

[waxen dock]

so i have 2 team to choose from to play the gc

which do you think is better

i can send a paste if you need to know the moves to decide

[strange fjord]

Do da wolfe special

[sharp cobalt]

Are we back to non restricted formats?

[strange fjord]

yes

kinda

[sharp cobalt]

[strange fjord]

Reg J on ladder but official events are reg h

[sharp cobalt]

What about reg i?

[strange fjord]

reg j is just 2 restricteds with mythicals. Reg i ends in a few days

[sharp cobalt]

Why do we skip i for official stuff?

[strange fjord]

reg i was what was played at for worlds

and some events before then

[sharp cobalt]

[short quiver]

why does suicune learn tailwind. thats crazy

[strange fjord]

if you're doing official events, focus reg h. otherwise do reg j

[short quiver]

okay that does make sense

[strange fjord]

Its the Northern Wind basically

[short quiver]

is suicune good competitively

[strange fjord]

meh, it used to have some niche

[short quiver]

i do know its immune to fake out but that alone probably doesn’t make it good

im asking because i need a team for reg J and suicune learning tailwind is intriguing

[gentle crag]

REGULATION J vs. REGULATION H BREAKDOWN FOR NEWCOMERS

From now until the end of August, we are currently in Regulation I. This ruleset allows for two restricted legendary pokemon. These are box art legendaries like Miraidon, Koraidon, Zacian, Zamazenta, etc. There's also DLC legendaries like Calyrex included there. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and in game until August 31st.

From September 1st onwards, there will be TWO active formats. If you want to play in game battles, you will be playing Regulation J. Regulation J is similar to Regulation I, but it also allows for mythical pokemon to be used. These mythical pokemon will count as a restricted pokemon, so you can't use unlimited. But for example, you could use Arceus and Groudon if you wanted to. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will be playable in game starting September 1st

The other active format will be Regulation H, an older format that is coming back again. This format CANNOT be played in game on the ranked ladder, it will only be available through Pokemon Showdown and through tournaments that the community hosts. This Regulations bans ALL Legendary pokemon and all Paradox pokemon allowing for weaker pokemon and strategies to be viable. This will be the ruleset for all in person tournaments, including small local events. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will ONLY be playable in game through community hosted events and in person tournaments, NOT ranked battles

Want to play Regulation H but don't enjoy Showdown or in person tournaments? Here is how to find community hosted tournaments - https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/?game=VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by ido1500. Message from · Aug 1, 2025, 6:52 PM

[short quiver]

what is this for

😒

[waxen dock]

i trggered this he asked what is this

[short quiver]

what 😭

i have my reg h team now i gotta find my reg j team

and i was considering suicune cuz it learning talwind is very nice

[waxen dock]

reg j is not really important unless you are really interested in ranked battles or mythicals

[short quiver]

i play ranked battles

i do a lot of in game ladder so i need a team

[brave hazel]

Is typloshion good ?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 260: Swampert

Types

Water/Ground

Abilities

Torrent, Damp (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/110/90/85/90/60

Total

535

Other Formes

Swampert-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.4

Pokémon No. 727: Incineroar

Types

Fire/Dark

Abilities

Blaze, Intimidate (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/115/90/80/90/60

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.4

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Meowscarada

Speed Swap:

• Meowscarada does not learn Speed Swap in Generation 9

Sableye version 4.28.4

[cyan smelt]

i might play some reg j tonight

[brave hazel]

Is dondozo or whatever, the obese whale a good counter to zacian?

High defence with a rocky helmet

[short quiver]

you might be the first person to ever ask that question

[knotty mirage]

I think incin or intimidate as a whole is already good enough counter too zacian tbh

[brave hazel]

Well it’s for singles, as a defensive wall, I don’t think it can really touch it optimally

[brave hazel]

In singles there always scarfed

I don’t wanna try to play a speed game, I’d rather wall it & tire it out & save my sweepers for clean ups

[knotty mirage]

I mean i guess on single dondozo could work just be careful there some people who will use tera electric tera blast zacian speaking from experience

So dondozo is not that hard of a counter

[brave hazel]

I used an electric Terra, Terra blast Chien-pao, it legit shook it off & smiled at me

chien pao slaps harder because of its defence lowering ability

Unless zacian hits harder idk, haven’t compared raw attack stats

But I also smacked it with a grass terra, solar powered, life orb solar beam from charzard

& it ate that to & smiled at me.

[real prairie]

they are immune to toxic unless the pokemon has corrosion.

[brave hazel]

It says weezing isn’t immune to toxic tho ?

Like in general

[real prairie]

all poison types are immune to being poisoned

toxic on a poison type will just fail

[brave hazel]

Google is so misdated

[brave hazel]

Maybe it’s fairy typing ?

[real prairie]

doesn't change its poison preventing it from getting poisoned

if it Terra's or if they have "Corrosion" they can poison you, otherwise they cant

[stone trellis]

Immunities always take priority over weaknesses without Terrastallization.

[brave hazel]

Yeah idk why google is saying it’s not immune to toxic

[stone trellis]

Are you using the AI overview as your source?

[real prairie]

AI overview may aswell be "What can i get wrong for you today?"

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-White

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Turboblaze

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/120/90/170/100/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

Sableye version 4.28.4

Pokémon No. 646: Kyurem-Black

Types

Dragon/Ice

Abilities

Teravolt

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

125/170/100/120/90/95

Total

700

Base Species

Kyurem

Sableye version 4.28.4

[short quiver]

120 in the secondary attack stat is such a shame

could have used those points to make them faster or smthn

[solid frigate]

the problem with the kyurems isn't the stats

its that they are more selfish than terapagos

give me tailwind

give me snow

give me Clear Amulet (Kblack)

[short quiver]

why are ice burn and freeze shock 2 turn moves

[solid frigate]

because

Yes.

[stone trellis]

And they have no setup potential or an ability to skip the charge turn without Power Herb.

[short quiver]

like sure a 30% chance to burn/para is nice but its not worth 2 turns

[solid frigate]

and doesn't contribute too much in double restricteds

oh you want (N)Ice Damage?

There's a fucking ice horse

oh you want spread moves? literally half of the good ones have spread moves

[short quiver]

im using white kyurem

🙂

obviously not ice burn. its bullshit that thats a 2 turn move

[real prairie]

Unbeaten with this team so far 😄 https://pokepast.es/39acfba245e3bc29

[short quiver]

i see pipebomb

(archaludon)

[next stump]

cool team 🙂

[cyan smelt]

nice team

[real prairie]

thanks guys

[real prairie]

Nevermind, just lost 5 on the bounce haha

but think im getting close to what i want

[solid frigate]

Rain Mains be like:

[cyan smelt]

Well it looks solid at least

[real prairie]

Yeah its got a good foundation, need to figure it out

[solid frigate]

I’m still rusty over my Greninja team cuz I can’t play Support Gren that fluid

[cyan smelt]

Are you doing bullet seed into arch as well? Seems like that's all the rage, just watch out for mirror herb incin

Any reason why politoed over peli?

[waxen dock]

probably he needs coverage against electric

[cyan smelt]

Makes sense

[brave hazel]

Maybe

[waxen dock]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2429616522-ebs5b3t0vjnw1kunw4nhj00tljpycj2pw i didnt even used the dozo in the back

[stone trellis]

Figures.

[solid frigate]

That’s basically the win button lol

[stone trellis]

Who, CSR?

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-not-laughing-flightreacts-flight-reacts-flightreacts-not-laughing-gif-6356142083741775471

[solid frigate]

Both but majority is CSR

[stone trellis]

^

[waxen dock]

does pokemon moves change when i transfer it?

through pokemon home

to the same game

but different save files

[foggy lodge]

They shouldn't afaik

Movesets only change when the Pokémon can't learn the moves it had when transfered to another game

https://x.com/MichaelderBeste/status/1960346492964577285

MichaelderBeste (@MichaelderBeste)

It's Top Team Tuesday!
Every Tuesday from now on, I'll post a top tier team here, so you can grab the paste and play with it. Should I also explain what the spreads do and what the strengths/weaknesses are? Today, we start off with the @JoeUX9 sun team:
https://t.co/6r7TQCxFV7

X · Aug 26, 2025, 2:20 PM

Joey's paste

[stone trellis]

@short quiver I told you that keeping Garchomp was a good choice.

But no, you didn't want to listen because you wanted Farigiraf and Meowscarada.

[bold geode]

No lie
Worse team than Zard Sun

[foggy lodge]

Say that to Joseph's finishes lol

[rustic mountain]

its also joe, he generally picks and does well w/ team comps that arent widely used

[short quiver]

is 125 a good speed to have in reg J do we think

[bold geode]

Yeah but he used his team basically the whole format, there's comfort in the equation too

[near crag]

speaking of typhlosion sun, in those whimsicott teams, should you also run torkoal? And if so, what would be a good way to deviate from those soft tr/lilligant teams?

[short quiver]

dont need torkoal tbh

scarf typhlosion have whimsicott set sun with sunny day

boom

manulaly setting the sun means someone who tries to take weather control will switch before you use a move so sunny day will overwrite whaatever they set

[bold geode]

I just think Zard is better at abusing Sun than Typhlosion cuz like
You can weaken Typhlosion more than Zard imo

[short quiver]

explain

typhlosion is immune to fake out for one

and does charizard even learn wruption

[near crag]

eruption deals damage based on hp

if you deal any damage it deals a lot less damage

but the ceiling is way higher

[bold geode]

Eruption is based off HP so you can literally weaken Eruption with stuff like priority or hitting it first in general

[short quiver]

psychic terrain can solve that

but still fake out immunity is nice

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 6: Charizard

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Blaze, Solar Power (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

78/84/78/109/85/100

Total

534

Other Formes

Charizard-Mega-X, Charizard-Mega-Y

Sableye version 4.28.4

[bold geode]

Yeah until it goes Tera Fire to not eat shit to like Sucker
Rilla Kingambit kinda just
Solves terrain a bit

[short quiver]

and frisk gives you info on the enemys items

[near crag]

farig should be great there

[short quiver]

solar power would only make zards first eruption powerful

[bold geode]

Problem is Farigiraf ain't that great in H so like yeah

[short quiver]

indeedee is good though

[bold geode]

CTS applicable only

[short quiver]

yeah

[near crag]

it doesn't get eruption, only typhlosion, torkoal and camerupt do

[short quiver]

L

[bold geode]

My point is like
Sure Typhlosion can get around the whole HP part cuz it also has like
Heat Wave or whatever
But thing is like the move you mainly want to be clicking is Eruption meaning the move you're theoretically going to use the most won't always be hitting at maximum power
Charizard kind of just doesn't have this issue

[short quiver]

to there mention of farigiraf it does learn ally switch

[bold geode]

Ally Switch is kind of meh

[short quiver]

it helps with typhlosions hp a little bit

[near crag]

at this point just click follow me

[short quiver]

indeedee is the one for you m🙂

[bold geode]

Once again like
Sure it helps but like
Farigiraf isn't that great rn
You're kind of like
You're choosing to run something that's not as good into the current meta just for one reason that even though it's not a bad thing to have, the value of said thing from said Mon isn't that high up there

[rustic mountain]

solar power is a huge boost for zard tbh, its built in damage increase based on conditions u are already going to be providing for ur mon

[bold geode]

Especially when like yeah as they said
Follow Me
Rage Powder
Fake Out other mons even
Actually position your fuckin Pokemon instead of turning the brain off

Like that's one thing I think a lot of people just cannot comprehend about more hyper offensive teams is like
They think they always gotta turn 1 lead speed control+ nuclear bomb and hit as hard as humanly possible but like
If you actually watch people at the top level play these style of teams, you notice that they actually tend to try and position their stuff optimally even in this case unless it's like a situation where the play really is to just go on the offense immediately

[bold geode]

We never lost Chi Yu in Reg H, it just turned into a dragon

[rustic mountain]

tbf some players do opt into that, like chefvgc or ben i think his name is

just ho im gna explode ur team as quickly as i can

[bold geode]

Yeah but like
Point is I feel a lot of people think that it's just braindead

[rustic mountain]

sure theres some variance amongst how he does it but its still the same intention

yea i wouldnt describe it as braindead

[foggy lodge]

My theory is the worst you are at the game the better Paonite player you are

[bold geode]

Like sure you wanna make big boom but like
You actually gotta make sure you're winning those damage trades

[foggy lodge]

jk/ but yeah HO is not braindead

[rustic mountain]

depends on the player tho, some really do just click buttons but id say thats more for low ladder casual then actually representing the archetype at large

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-lizard-lizard-button-lizard-tom-the-lizard-pixar-gif-17194109322617058326

[foggy lodge]

Agreed

HO is broken in low ladder because a lot of people in low ladder just allow you to buttons mash through their teams

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

At higher ladder or competition in general it becomes harder to just "button mash"

[bold geode]

That's honestly the reason imo why climbing with Zam CSR looks so fuckin easy
Cuz like
In low ladder, you click Nasty Plot once and then your opponent just immediately shuts down

[rustic mountain]

or u wide guard and they are stunlocked

so many early pokeball games i had climbing back up ppl just had absolutely 0 respect for wide guard

[bold geode]

There were so many games in the low ladder where I'd just like
Nasty Plot Turn 1 then Helping Hand Barrage Turn 2 and the game would just be immediately over

[bold geode]

Oh yeah no one in low ladder knows how to play WG properly

They either never click it at all or they just fat finger the hell out of the button every turn

[rustic mountain]

haha or even on the other end like they click spread moves w/ my zama on the other side w/ no regard if wide guard pops up they just lose

i had to stop giving ppl respect that theyd know to cover for it

[bold geode]

That's the biggest mistake you can generally make against like an average Joe in VGC
Assuming your opponent actually has a brain

Every time I've assumed my opponent has a brain I've locked in my moves only to see them do the stupidest shit known to man

And it'll still win them the game cuz I over thought shit

[rustic mountain]

haha yea but its usually fine anyway, most of the games i blundered early turns w/ thinking theyd respect wide guard and lose 1-2 mons and still win anyway. i had 1 game t2 i lost both zama and incin then i proceeded to reverse sweep w/ csr rilla

cuz they just didnt use wide guard themselves or have it for that matter

csr zama mirror btw

[bold geode]

That mirror actually for me was like
The fattest check of skill level possible
Cuz the worse the Zam CSR player was, the easier it was for me to constantly bait their ass

[rustic mountain]

haha

i went 14-1 to get back to mball, my only loss was to the mirror (played it i think 4-5 times)

also played 3 swordfish in a row to get back to mball which was such freelo

[bold geode]

I've lost a decent bit to the mirror but like
It was definitely more win than lose as time went on and was less and less luck reliant as time went on

[bold geode]

I literally was eating shit to that for a while, thought "what if I lead Zam and Bolt" and immediately flipped the whole MU

[rustic mountain]

yea mirrors are always annoying

i dont use the bolt variant but yea that seems great into it

im incin rilla csr zama darkshifu and rockpon

[bold geode]

Moon was different but like
If they had Tornadus then Zam just completely shut down TornOgre lead by itself

[rustic mountain]

r u dragon or water tera

[bold geode]

Dragon

[rustic mountain]

ew

[bold geode]

Best tera

[rustic mountain]

nah water goated

[bold geode]

Water tera is dog water imo on CSR Zam comps
Like yeah sure you have Rilla but you wanna make yourself weaker to Electro Drift?

[woven pelican]

nah dawg trust, tera stellar

[bold geode]

Nah be like Yuma
Tera Fighting Zam

[near crag]

ghost tera blast zam and fighting tera blast csr is the answer

you know, for coverage

[stone trellis]

Every single CSR-Zama player I've ever faced does the latter.

Aside from you guys, there's no way anybody above the age of 9 actually plays the duo.

It's like my first Reg I team, except Coaching spam actually won me games.

[bold geode]

I mean they probably do but like

See the one thing that some probably don't get is that like

The best thing about Shadow Rider at least to me isn't Astral Barrage

It's the threat of Astral Barrage

[stone trellis]

And another thing they need to understand.

Ice Rider can be an actual threat, even without Trick Room.

[foggy lodge]

I thought about that at one point

[stone trellis]

Every single time, they click Taunt into Glacial Lance.

I know it's a safe play, but still.

[bold geode]

Like sure Astral Barrage is powerful
But what you gotta understand is that because the move is so powerful, one thing that is hard for a lot of people to do is ignore the fact that it's there

[stone trellis]

Unless your name is Farigiraf/Indeedee/Ursaluna (especially the first two).

[bold geode]

Therefore you can actually use the threat of Shadow Rider a lot of times to actually force your opponents to make specific plays that you can abuse

[rustic mountain]

nah waters a fantastic defensive type, im generally not teraing infront of mirai its not needed for me or my team nd even if i do vs a mirai team, tera always is trading off 1 weakness for another, usually theres ways to play around it to where its not becoming detrimental for me, there are 2 mons on the field at a time not 1

[stone trellis]

Name one Pokemon on a CSR-Zama team who's taking E-Drift unresisted

Zamazenta has to choose what it wants to die to.

Either E-Drift or Flare Blitz.

Or it has to give up a lot of Speed to live both.

[bold geode]

Thing is on a decent amount of teams
It kinda gives up speed
Also Flare Blitz isn't as bad as you think, hell idk if Clam Korai Blitz one shots Zam

Sure Life Orb does

[stone trellis]

The Zama build on the Showdown damage calculator is EV'd to live Lorb Flare Blitz.

[bold geode]

With Tera Fire?

[stone trellis]

The bare minimum to live 228 Adamant (the highest you can go while still having enough HP to take less Lorb recoil) seems to be 252 HP / 100 Def Impish.

[stone trellis]

No, base.

[bold geode]

Yeah I believe you can live Tera Fire Blitz from ClAm

[stone trellis]

Clam Tera Fire is a 1.5x boost.

Regular Lorb is 1.3x.

252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. +1 252 HP / 100+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 198-234 (99.4 - 117.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Orichalcum Pulse Tera Fire Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned in Sun: 176-210 (88.4 - 105.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

Golly gee, I wonder why Zamazenta struggles to live that.

[bold geode]

Not actually
Wild

[stone trellis]

You do live Jolly though.

I have to give that to Zamazenta players.

[bold geode]

Though ClAm kind of goes Collision Course into Zam more, which you actually do live from looks of it

[stone trellis]

That's much easier to live.

[bold geode]

But yeah I run Tera Dragon
Get to resist both Flare Blitz from Korai and Drift from Miraidon and like
Not many Miraidon are gonna Draco into a Zam before tera

[stone trellis]

Yep.

Tera Dragon is an elite Tera type.

Fairy, Water, Grass and Dragon are all up there.

[rustic mountain]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcZEOi8a8AAm7mx?format=jpg&name=medium
dragon tera being mentioned w/ the others

[stone trellis]

It's still really good though, is it not?

[rustic mountain]

is it? id say situational at best. really hasnt been many times in sv theres a particular time where dragon tera was even all that common across the board, usually has been relegated to 1 or 2 mons that are commonly used and more as an alternative not as a definitive

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's a fair point.

I found a list of all the Tera types.

[rustic mountain]

whereas fwg, fairy, steel etc are all ones ppl are using a bunch and even ones like flying normal and what not being more common

[stone trellis]

These are the tiers.

Fairy, Water and Fire all go to Amazing.

Grass goes to "amazing defensively, can be offensive still".

I don't know about the rest.

Stellar could go to "Amazing offensively, terrible defensively".

[foggy lodge]

There's is no such thing as a bad tera type imo

[stone trellis]

Tera Ice and Tera Rock:

[foggy lodge]

Every tera type has a use if you just find it's niche

[foggy lodge]

Tera ice has been used on mons like Tsareena tho

[stone trellis]

Base Necrozma has a niche, does that make it good?

[foggy lodge]

Base Necrozma doesn't have a niche wtf

[stone trellis]

I remember some guy who used it in Reg I.

Or at least he talked about using it.

[solid frigate]

oh yeah remember the Blizzard Kyogre in JP

That shit is hype

[rustic mountain]

i think theres often a misinterpretation of what niche means in the context of competitive. just cause it has something it can achieve that no other mon can doesnt make it niche, it has to be something thats actually effective into the respective format

[stone trellis]

Love how you didn't even try to defend Tera Rock.

[foggy lodge]

I don't remember anything about tera rock ngl

Outside of rockpon

[stone trellis]

Wonder why.

Rockpon is locked into using it.

[foggy lodge]

I think there was a reg F team that used tera rock Whimsicott

[stone trellis]

And it's goddamn Ogerpon, that thing can make almost anything work.

[stone trellis]

I need to see this with my own eyes.

[foggy lodge]

But yeah in general I just hate tier lists about this style that is like "this is good this is great this is bad"

[stone trellis]

I can change the tiers.

[rustic mountain]

thats why a lot of ppl just wind up w/ these blanket statements of niche picks that are a few games of them getting this obscure strat down but its just them doing the strat it doesnt actually interact necessarily with the meta itself outside of the game being played. theres no rhyme or reason for the choices made outside hey this mon is unique

[stone trellis]

Problem solved.

[foggy lodge]

I think the type of game that Pokémon is doesn't let you see it as that way as there are a lot of factors

I prefer to see stuff as "splashable" or flexible

Like tera water is more splashable than tera psychic for example but that doesn't make tera psychic bad when its there to do a work and it just

Achieves that

[rustic mountain]

tera psychic is bad for a bunch of other reasons

[foggy lodge]

Its used on Amoonguss for this reg tho

And has been popular

[rustic mountain]

wen?

[stone trellis]

Reg J?

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/635153db2a17cfb9

Stuttgart regional champion team

[rustic mountain]

also even for reg h its used its not common, tera dark is more common for psyspam countering

wen as in wen has tera psychic ever been popular

[forest arrow]

For the Sneasler Deedee comps I’m pretty sure

[foggy lodge]

Tera psychic Ttar also won a regional in reg F

I just don't agree with evaluating pieces individually

[bold geode]

Tierlists are opinionated