Specs tera fire since you have Jumpluff
#competitive_discussion
foggy lodge
short quiver
Specs tera fire since you have Jumpluff
on typhlosion?
foggy lodge
Yea
short quiver
and make the last slot what
foggy lodge
Overheat
short quiver
since obviously no protect
foggy lodge
Its all you need lol
short quiver
overheat heat wave eruption infernal parade
foggy lodge
Shadow ball>
dense latch
heat wave for spread
eruption when you're at high hp
overheat to just blast something
60 base is too low
short quiver
Shadow ball>
nope 😒
dense latch
you'd rather have the consistent damage 99% of the time
short quiver
60 base is too low
infernal parade is hex but better
foggy lodge
Infernal parade requires Glimmora to set the poison in first place which means you need to set Typhlosion late in the game
And either way you probably want Typhlosion to mainly click eruption xd
short quiver
Infernal parade requires Glimmora to set the poison in first place which means y...
yeah and i lead like glimmora meowscarada
dense latch
hex's bar is low already and it barely squeezes over it
short quiver
im gonna be testing on showdown i really wanna use infernal parade
foggy lodge
Oh its actually a worst hex even lmao
short quiver
i got 2 weeks to work on this team
its for the global challenge
use clefable, NOT clefairy correct
and if im skill swap am i swapping like magic guard or unaware onto an ally or what
dense latch
252+ SpA Typhlosion-Hisui Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo: 152-182 (93.2 - 111.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Typhlosion-Hisui Infernal Parade vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo: 116-138 (71.1 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
this is the biggest downside to infernal parade
short quiver
add helping hand to infernal parade
dense latch
you can't poison dengo and you're gonna face a lot of those
ig you can just use your fire move but you might want to go for the ghost move in certain situations
short quiver
would helping hand boosted infernal parade kill dengo
or after a fake tears on said dengo
foggy lodge
Dengo's inmune
short quiver
so helping hand is better good to know
foggy lodge
You can also add helping hand to shadow ball lol
dense latch
that's an extra move you're wasting on your turn that could be used for something else
rather than using the stronger move and using a different move with the partner
short quiver
and for meow do i want jolly or adamant
dense latch
jolly
foggy lodge
If you need to use helping hand infernal parade to pick up a KO you could already pick up with shadow ball is just not worth it
short quiver
i have mortal spin solar beam earth power protect with rocky helmet
obviously thats not the moveset ill end with probably
dense latch
no stab glimm?
short quiver
no stab glimm?
its here to keep stuff poisoned mostly
dense latch
it needs some stab to stay useful after that
short quiver
my plan was poison with glimmora and infernal parade but uh
short quiver
it needs some stab to stay useful after that
so do i get rid of solar beam or earth power
dense latch
my plan was poison with glimmora and infernal parade but uh
it's just not that hard to play around
short quiver
for a rock or a better poison move
dense latch
with so many gholdengo gambit and sneasler around
short quiver
if i go corrosion i can give gambit and sneasler middle fingers
i wont use corrosion unless testing finds it better
but venom drench not existing in SV SUCKS
foggy lodge
i wont use corrosion unless testing finds it better
All of that for KOs you already pick up with other moves🥀
short quiver
so who do i use instead of glimmora in slot 6 then
dense latch
if i go corrosion i can give gambit and sneasler middle fingers
you still can't hit the steel types with mortal spin
foggy lodge
The thing is that Typhlosion already plays like a HO mon
Where you just want to deal the most amount of damage fastly
Infernal parade/hex require you a specific set up to deal the actual damage
short quiver
so no glimmora who can i have in my 6th slot 🫠
dense latch
you could try something like joeux9 sun
dense latch
dense latch
why
short quiver
im not a dnite fan 🥀
dense latch
what does it do that garchomp doesn't
foggy lodge
not even chomp?
short quiver
i dont mind chompy but ive never bothered using it
even in dp and bdsp
and i cant give it eq since half of my team would be scared of my own eq
dense latch
yea that's part of why dnite works here
foggy lodge
- Jumpluff gives you an inmunity to ground
dense latch
also you have jumpluff and 2 tera flying
short quiver
could i dragapult 🥀
dense latch
dragapult is good but not in this type of team
foggy lodge
Ig but the TR MU would seem even more abysmal
short quiver
im already cooked in tr as it is
foggy lodge
And Garchomp just gives you coverage into mons like Tytar or Glimm
dense latch
im already cooked in tr as it is
that's where gambit and torkoal really help in
foggy lodge
Mhm
foggy lodge
omg you don't like anything😭
short quiver
im picky but im not at the same time
kingambit looks stupid
so chompy or dnite
and thats it
what would i even run on chomp
eq dragon claw stomping tantrum something?
or breaking swipe or smthn
dense latch
check the paste
dense latch
eq dragon claw stomping tantrum something?
this and protect as that something
short quiver
protect
meowscarada tera what
stellar dark fairy flying
steel maybe
and sash is on jumpluff so do i like clear amulet meowscarada or smthn idk
i could scarf but then i lose protect on it
no id want band. meowscarada is one of the faster mons in reg h anyways isnt it
idk speed tier stuff
dense latch
who's got the cloak again?
ninetales?
are you against using torkoal or would you consider it
bc it helps the tr mu and the item situation
cloak on jumpluff then sash meow
short quiver
are you against using torkoal or would you consider it
i was using torkoal originally and was told ninetales might be better for my specific goal
dense latch
i don't see how it helps
i think torkoal is the better weather setter for sure
if you do wanna use that
short quiver
im using ninetales for fake tears
dense latch
ok the more i hear about the team the more i feel like whim typhlosion HO would be great for you
short quiver
whim instead of jumpluff?
dense latch
whim typhlosion indeedee sneasler is a pretty strong HO core
short quiver
i have jumpluff on tailwind encore sleep powder energy ball
dense latch
manual sun
short quiver
im keeping the team i have 😒
ill consider torkoal for ninetales and whim for jumpluff tho
dense latch
do you have a pokepaste for the team i'm starting to lose track of the changes lol
short quiver
i still need to change clefables tera type
i was gonna tera steel
ghost
not steel, ghost
next stump
It’s almost definitely worth trading the item on Ninetales and Jumpluff since Helping Hand has faster priority than fake out
so you can just bypass fakeout easily
short quiver
so give ninetales sash and jumpluff the cloak
dense latch
i'd also go unaware on clefable
next stump
yes I think so
dense latch
the tr matchup does seem a bit scary with ninetales
next stump
one thing that helps me when I’m teambuilding is realistically thinking through gameplans with the team I want to use. What pokemon are you bringing to a matchup with this team?
Ninetales/Typhlosion lead? Ninetales/Jumpluff? It’s a little awkward either way
short quiver
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2427966232
@next stump
vocal anvil
How do I capture Zacian???
next stump
I see what you’re saying but that’s 1000elo and if your opponent clicks Icy Wind + Expanding Force you probably lose on the spot
or at least they have a fighting chance
short quiver
that was my first game with the team
dense latch
also i think scarf typhlosion might be better here bc you have no priority tw
next stump
Sure, but that should set off alarm bells that Specs Typhlosion without speed control directly next to it is really weak
And you can’t simultaneously have speed control AND sun on turn 1, which then leads to maybe wanting Ninetales/Jumpluff but that lead is super passive
that’s what I mean by the core of the team being awkward
short quiver
hmmmm
short quiver
also i think scarf typhlosion might be better here bc you have no priority tw
whimsicott solves that issue
but it does still make the team lead awkward
dense latch
whim would make the team gravitate towards a different angle i feel like
if you're trying to keep the core somewhat similar i'd just go with scarf
next stump
17 day 2s god damn
next stump
really? fede would be great
short quiver
whimsicott same moves right
encore tailwind sleep powder energy ball?
or maybe fake tears instead of encore 🤔
doesnt even learn sleep powder
ummmm
next stump
if you’re covert cloak, encore/tailwind are must haves and you can afford to run something like fake tears, helping hand, or taunt instead of protect
moonblast usually preferred over energy ball but if you’re all in on fire damage then grass coverage is nice
short quiver
encore tailwind energy ball fake tears/helping hand/taunt
all 3 look good
ill try taunt first
do i heat rock ninetales
since whimsicott has the cloak
next stump
Focus sash will be more useful
dense latch
i love reg h
short quiver
i love reg h
lmao
shadow wind
i love reg h
I’d just stop the entire regulation right there if I were you
foggy lodge
i love reg h
Dire claw into sleep into 3 sleep turns shouldn't be a real thing
shadow wind
Me when I run Misty terrain because I hate Sneasler
foggy lodge
What poison do y'all prefer gang
Smeargle fake out into +2 speed moody boost or sneasler dire claw into 3 sleep turns
shadow wind
I choose quitting VGC
foggy lodge
Agreed
dense latch
Dire claw into sleep into 3 sleep turns shouldn't be a real thing
i didnt get to find out
but i did get fissured in the same game
this is why i play the tcg more now
i can't get dire clawed there
foggy lodge
How did I survive playing against Steve in SSBU and now I'm one dire claw paralyze away from turning off the switch
short quiver
alr what we thinkin chat
i need terrain control
psychic terrain is not good for my whimsicott
dense latch
why does whim not have sunny day
i'd drop it for taunt and give it moonblast over energy ball, it's way better coverage
short quiver
i tried to encore the armorouge into trick room to regain control of the speed and psychic terrain told me to fuck myself
short quiver
i'd drop it for taunt and give it moonblast over energy ball, it's way better co...
i have energy ball cuz my only grass move is on meow
and i have 2 fire types
near crag
Why are dnite and gholdengo so often paired with sneasler and bloodmoon ursaluna? And if we want a ground type for offensive coverage, why not regular ursa?
short quiver
cuz its slow 🥀
near crag
2 points slower
bold geode
17 day 2s god damn
Nah I have to pay 90 an hour for Ray Rizzo
near crag
And how about sneasler?
next stump
Scale Shot Dragonite doesn’t love facing Incineroar, so Sneasler can really help there
It also threatens the fairies that are immune to Dragonite, same with Gholdengo
really hard to bring something like Clefairy or Primarina to a matchup where your opponent can bring Sneasler AND Gholdengo
dense latch
And how about sneasler?
sneasler contributes with coaching/fake out
just good coverage and dire claw is busted
near crag
And how can that be countered?
dense latch
okay im taking a break
cyan smelt
looks like you're getting reg h'd today
dense latch
looks like you're getting reg h'd today
idt i've ever been reg h'd this hard
next stump
And how can that be countered?
Incineroar can be good into both. If they’re White Herb Sneasler they can easily catch you on a pivot, but otherwise you can pretty comfortably live their hits.
Gholdengo is great into both, especially the sneasler without throat chop
Tailwind is also really solid into both
cyan smelt
dillon how's corviknight on sand? is it good?
dense latch
that one regional sand won was with corvinight iirc
so it's at least worth trying out
cyan smelt
i'm thinking ttar, exca, corv, indeedee, sneasler
but then i'm really worried about dozo
cyan smelt
typical lol, when i think of something good it's been done
i was also considering drifblim for dozo
deft crescent
https://pokepast.es/6de9079c5f7d09ae thoughts on ursaluna bloodmoon? I really feel like he should hold a different item but idk what
next stump
Life Orb or Silk Scarf will be stronger than Leftovers
dense latch
give it protect over calm mind too
arch should definitely have body press too, pelipper should probably be sashed and give wave crash to basculegion over liquidation
part of what makes basculegion so good is being able to output huge damage fast
and it's not gonna achieve that with liquidation
short quiver
arch should definitely have body press too, pelipper should probably be sashed a...
body presss
dense latch
rest is fine, what could also work is gholdengo over blursa since it benefits from both grim mand amoong
red willow
Can someone explain why rilla always on av it doesnt seem that particularly sp def tanky
foggy lodge
Because of that
AV gives it extra bulk that you want precissely because it isn't that bulky by the special side
Give it av + high hp + good defense + grassy terrain and you have a very bulky mon
dense latch
also av on rilla basically has no drawbacks either because you need those 4 moves for rilla to function well
foggy lodge
Usually yeah
Some sets with miracle seed/meadow plate or even choice band have been used but they function more as a full offensive rilla
Unlike AV which is the bulky version and what most teams need to fill a slot
Its over I'm gonna play full raid boss Porygon2
Porygon2 Clefairy Alcremie Sneasler Incin Amoonguss
short quiver
Porygon2 Clefairy Alcremie Sneasler Incin Amoonguss
no umbreon? 😃
foggy lodge
no
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
deft crescent
umbre a bulky boi
thank goodness umbreon cant evolve further.... eviolite umbreon would be a nightmare
gentle cragBOT
thank goodness umbreon cant evolve further.... eviolite umbreon would be a night...
electric_kingly has given 1 Gen Rep to naganohara_akira
short quiver
thank goodness umbreon cant evolve further.... eviolite umbreon would be a night...
imagine gen 10 gives us an evolution for all the eeveelutions 💀
deft crescent
imagine gen 10 gives us an evolution for all the eeveelutions 💀
I am convinced they're gonna make a level up evo for eevee called eeveon
short quiver
I am convinced they're gonna make a level up evo for eevee called eeveon
😃
a normal type eeveelution
deft crescent
na it's gonna be normal normal
that would honestly be a really cool gimmick for pokemon to introduce
double typed pokemon
dense latch
yes
short quiver
damn
dense latch
that's what torkoal had in the paste i sent earlier
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
dense latch
short quiver
could i use a set similar to that
ive found my lead buh ninetales isnt bulky enough for it
short quiver
i lead typhlosion meow uturn meow switch ninetales eruption typhlosion
dense latch
unless you're facing opposing weather that just sounds like extra steps to sun setter + typhlosion lead
short quiver
i have yet to not see a pelipper
for torkoal do i eruption overheat protect body press(?)
and eject pack
dense latch
these sets typically don't tend to run eruption
next stump
usually it’s Overheat, Protect, Helping Hand, and either Yawn or Burning Jealousy
dense latch
because you're switching it around so much and tanking hits it won't get much out of it
also it's a less spatk heavy tork so it's not dealing much either
foggy lodge
ugh I want to run a fun P2 team but every good P2 team is either P2 dengo balance or P2 Ursa tailroom
They are fun still but they are not what I want rn
short quiver
usually it’s Overheat, Protect, Helping Hand, and either Yawn or Burning Jealous...
helping hand 😃
🙂
foggy lodge
y scarf + tailwind
dense latch
now that you did include whim yea specs works better
when you didn't scarf worked
also still feel like whim wants sunny day
foggy lodge
I'm going to create the most fun P2 team ever with uhhhhhhh
P2 Dnite
And idk
I considered like Archa Peli P2 but it's just lowkey a worse Sinistcha for that archetype
dense latch
yea
dense latch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2428047921-dmaxhln1acu3t3bfxe...
smartest weakness policy armarouge player
i'm convinced they always follow the same first three or four turns regardless of what the opponent does
foggy lodge
Why tf did they just let Armarouge eat the second EQ😭
short quiver
chat can i use johto typhlosion instead of hisuian
i just got my shit rocked by incineroar knock off
dense latch
chat can i use johto typhlosion instead of hisuian
no
it's a strict upgrade basically
the ghost typing is what makes it redeemable
short quiver
😨
and should clefable be tera ghost or tera steel or some other tera type
i dont need grass cuz of safety goggles so the spores and stuff aren’t an issue
chrome knot
foggy lodge
I forgot I had an account in 1560 of bo1 lol
Gang do y'all have a team for the GC???🙂🙂❤️❤️
languid ocean
Im prepping my team on cart but it's still like a 80% complete draft
craggy dagger
Gang do y'all have a team for the GC???🙂🙂❤️❤️
nope
foggy lodge
Tree may I have your team🙂
languid ocean
chat can i use johto typhlosion instead of hisuian
I used normal typhlosion on a small tourney that bans high usage mons
craggy dagger
i have up on building something dumb
foggy lodge
jk but I genuinely don't know what to run
languid ocean
normal typhlosion has access to scorching sands meanwhile the hisuian one doesnt
rustic mountain
watd u get to 1560 w/
languid ocean
take that as you will
rustic mountain
i take it as johto typhlosion still being certified ass cheeks
languid ocean
REAL...
rustic mountain
id say run that tbh unless u can swap to something else u feel more comfortable w/
foggy lodge
Scarf A9 cooks in bo1 tho
languid ocean
i plan on running coalossal for gc
rustic mountain
have u tried like dug core no p2? its decently varied wat u can run w/ those guys
focus more on the tw aspect
rustic mountain
i think if worlds showed us anything its comfort > p much anything else within reason
dense latch
Gang do y'all have a team for the GC???🙂🙂❤️❤️
i thought i did
foggy lodge
What happened to it
rustic mountain
nd?
dense latch
What happened to it
bad bo1 experiences
rustic mountain
languid ocean
loving this coalossal draft team on bo1
rustic mountain
bad bo1 experiences
the death of countless teams
foggy lodge
Erik is your friend also running like a team with the mons named like
Rilabum goldengou esnisler
dense latch
oh yea i made those names based on what i think my mom would pronounce them
foggy lodge
Lol
rustic mountain
dense latch
yk what maybe that's why my luck is so bad
foggy lodge
I thought someone with their mons named like that i don't know if it was you or your friend
rustic mountain
why would she put an e infront of sneasler
foggy lodge
Spanish
dense latch
why would she put an e infront of sneasler
im latino
languid ocean
im debating to pick either the standard unburden sneasler or poison touch for more gambling
dense latch
it's got a name but i forgot
it's illegal to start words with an s + a second consonant so we replace it with an es- prefix to make it work
rustic mountain
i said poison touch sneasler was bad but it saw decent results so cant necessarily say its outright dogwater even tho i still think it is
languid ocean
i have the same thoughts too
dense latch
it's fine for some sash sets if you don't think the unburden boost is gonna help you much
but it does help
rustic mountain
i just think limiting the variance of dire claw by upping ur poison chance is actively bad in most cases
its like very team specific on why u might want poison moreso for dot
foggy lodge
I remember the clip of the lum berry dnite getting poisoned by dire claw healed by lum berry and poisoned by poison touch in the same turn lmao
dense latch
i did it once
foggy lodge
Lmfao
dense latch
i have it pinned in a closed server
if i could get it framed i would it's peak reg h
foggy lodge
I was trying out Alcremie and got hit by dire claw and got a message of the ability denying the sleep
dense latch
oh it works like that that's sick
languid ocean
i did have thoughts of pairing it with glimmora with venoshock but gol also exists so..
rustic mountain
gholdengo so goated
foggy lodge
Mhm
dense latch
every time i try to get on showdown i just get haxed into stopping so i just went and started playing the tcg
rustic mountain
damn
dense latch
gholdengo is also goated there i can still make it rain :))))
foggy lodge
Gholdengo is so good so sad it was so bad in reg I
rustic mountain
well yea most things were
dense latch
i love gseed dengo sm
foggy lodge
every time i try to get on showdown i just get haxed into stopping so i just wen...
You are gonna get all your Gimmighouls prized uhhhhhh
dense latch
except for when i get fissured and loses me the game
languid ocean
golshi make it rain
rustic mountain
except for when i get fissured and loses me the game
watd that happen once?
dense latch
i got dire claw crit and slept and fissured in the span of three turns
languid ocean
every time i try to get on showdown i just get haxed into stopping so i just wen...
me but i play funny horse game instead
foggy lodge
Did y'all see the screenshot of the girl that got 3 gimmighouls prized at worlds top 16
I don't play TCG but that seemed so painful
dense latch
that hasn't happened to me yet thankfully
rustic mountain
i got dire claw crit and slept and fissured in the span of three turns
u got all the bad rng out the way
dense latch
u got all the bad rng out the way
yea about that
languid ocean
i had all my terapagos prized in a round once a while ago
foggy lodge
I think I asked someone for the scream tail deck
languid ocean
so cursed
foggy lodge
It was Gardevoir ex but Scream Tail goated
dense latch
okay im taking a break
i did not
foggy lodge
I've got haxxed a bit
foggy lodge
Still I hope y'all reg H fans get 3 turn slept by dire claw and every single scale shot hits you 5 times
dense latch
i literally have yet to get dire claw haxxed in reg h
i see the dire claw animation in my sleep
solid frigate
Still I hope y'all reg H fans get 3 turn slept by dire claw and every single sca...
True /j
dense latch
rustic mountain
yes haha
solid frigate
https://media1.tenor.com/m/TMhnW8cH10gAAAAC/war-meme.gif
Embed failed moment?
rustic mountain
big time
woven pelican
amazing
rustic mountain
woven pelican
peak embed fail
dense latch
i have it saved, should tell you enough about how bad i've been having it 😭
rustic mountain
solid frigate
dense latch
i thought midterms were bad when in reality they were just keeping me away from reg h
foggy lodge
nothing beats = gholdengo/ a jet2 holiday = dragonite/ and right now = sneasler/you can save = ursaluna/50 pounds per person = Archaludon
solid frigate
nothing beats = gholdengo/ a jet2 holiday = dragonite/ and right now = sneasler/...
Someone stop Max on his brain rot phase
dense latch
nothing sometimes loses to jet 2 holiday if jet 2 holiday has stomping tantrum
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
i may actually run the stall dnite set lmao
dense latch
wdym
foggy lodge
I saw it on a japanese team from reg H 1
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
foggy lodge
That's a big ass moveset
dense latch
Rocky helmet encore fire spin dnite
solid frigate
Bro is playing Eternatus lite
waxen dock
the new gc is bad
solid frigate
But yeah encore Dnite is super strong imo
dense latch
might consider using that for the gc
craggy dagger
https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-sil...
be nice
cyan smelt
i'm feeling pretty good about using ttar excadrill
cyan smelt
just lost to icy wind tyranitar, i hate this reg
stone trellis
Reg H?
cyan smelt
yes
short quiver
i love reg h
solid frigate
I feel like there are only 3 reasons why people like reg H
1.you don’t give a fuck about meta
2.You believe Legendary Pokémon should not be legal in any way
3.you love to use your favourites
cyan smelt
you know what, i've been struggling with corviknight so i'm gonna put curse drifblim on my team with haze
solid frigate
Or ya know
Just taunt that guy?
cyan smelt
don't have taunt
solid frigate
cyan smelt
and i need something for dozo anyway
solid frigate
Taunt and Haze are good against them
At least taunt you can actually deal damage consistently against Dozo without them just protect every possible turn
cyan smelt
that's why curse
solid frigate
I don’t think you need curse driftblm lol
cyan smelt
well i'm not sure what moves to put on it
solid frigate
I genuinely don’t think that’s a good idea
knotty mirage
I have question is there anything on this reg that can ohko grimmnsarl ?
solid frigate
I have question is there anything on this reg that can ohko grimmnsarl ?
Archaludon called,and they said they want everything back
And Sand Excadrill
knotty mirage
I don't mean reg H
short quiver
I feel like there are only 3 reasons why people like reg H
1.you don’t give a f...
me whos all 3
solid frigate
*have you seen these hands*
Catch them hands
knotty mirage
I'm playing on cart ladder but there just too many grimmnsarl that paired with restricted it just starting to get annoying
solid frigate
I don't mean reg H
knotty mirage
Behind light screen ?
woven pelican
grimmsnarl may survive reg but can't survive me
solid frigate
The bikes just nukes them outright
Also you have the choice of
H E L P I N G. H A N D
short quiver
moves like fake tears crying in the corner
knotty mirage
Dark type doesn't get affected by prankster 
short quiver
your fault for not using a mon fast enough to use them normally
knotty mirage
I mean is there any viable fast mon that have fake tears that's not whimsicott
knotty mirage
Yeah i don't think that meow will work especially when there too many thing that can outspeed it
short quiver
in reg h it doesnt actually get outsped by all that much 🤷♂️
knotty mirage
I never said i play on reg H
short quiver
gross
solid frigate
I mean i don’t really want to help Meow’s Case but it can Outspeed Modest Max Speed Miraidon
I realise that cuz Greninja can also do that
solid frigate
Thats the only merit
short quiver
meowscarada is fast 🥳
it would be a good mon if there weren’t mons who had gimmicks along with there good offensive stats cough the bikes cough the paradox mons cough gholdengo
short quiver
I always play on cart ladder and there no reg H in there
i literally used meow in reg i
i used her in a rain team
miraidon who
😏
knotty mirage
And i presume youre using focus sash on meow
solid frigate
Sometimes you make me think me using Specs Greninja on CIR Team makes more sense
knotty mirage
Scarf fake tears
short quiver
Sometimes you make me think me using Specs Greninja on CIR Team makes more sense
aye man ill let you cook
i love reg h i can get away with some wild shit
short quiver
Scarf fake tears <:poliwhirlkek:932149535311015988>
more like scarf triple axel
i didnt need fake tears most stuff would drop to me anyways
knotty mirage
The thing is were talking about viable fast fake tears mon that's not whimsi damn
short quiver
lets just say basculegion is broken
short quiver
The thing is were talking about viable fast fake tears mon that's not whimsi dam...
meow is a fast fake tears mon
knotty mirage
Yeah and using scarf with fake tears just doesn't makes any sense
solid frigate
Yeah and using scarf with fake tears just doesn't makes any sense
Urshifu:So basically that doesn’t make sense but scarf Coaching does?
short quiver
Urshifu:So basically that doesn’t make sense but scarf Coaching does?
🙂
imagine scarf fake tears
solid frigate
I’m not helping you with that cuz that set is still clunky to use
short quiver
I’m not helping you with that cuz that set is still clunky to use
clunky, but it works sometimes, correct
sometimes is good enough, you cant win every game 🤷♂️
knotty mirage
Yeah i'm just going back to use whimsi then fake tears meow is just not worth it
short quiver
Yeah i'm just going back to use whimsi then fake tears meow is just not worth it
good luck against dark types
oh btw theres also mons like raichu for fake tears
fake tears is fairly widely distributed
knotty mirage
The problem is what item that's not sash viable on fake tears meow
short quiver
The problem is what item that's not sash viable on fake tears meow
isnt there a berry that reduces incoming super effective damage
knotty mirage
Berry in caly meta right
short quiver
Berry in caly meta right
i love how you say this but sitrus berry is a very common held item
even against caly
may i remind you the worlds team had a sitrus berry on both brute bonnets with a calyrex in the battle
knotty mirage
i love how you say this but sitrus berry is a very common held item
Sitrus berry not berry reducing super effective damage and brute bonnet is tanky enough to actually get value from it
short quiver
isnt there a berry that reduces incoming super effective damage
but there is a berry for this right
knotty mirage
Yeah and what value it will give too meow tho
knotty mirage
Yeah i'm still not convienced
short quiver
meow fake tears works on dark types unlike whimsicott
jolteon is fast jolteon can learn it
fluttermane learns fake tears
knotty mirage
There just too many thing that will not makes it work like what if caly on field and the partner use u turn too meow
knotty mirage
fluttermane learns fake tears
Fluttermane fake tears hmm
knotty mirage
Yeah both of them is just not that great on this reg
short quiver
ribombee learns it shes fast
sylveon learns it, not quite as fast but a bit bulkier
meowstic
but meowstic is for sure a no
knotty mirage
Yeah i will just consider flutter other doesn't seem's to be that great
short quiver
Yeah i will just consider flutter other doesn't seem's to be that great
well im glad i was of some uze
cyan smelt
curse drifblim seems to work against archaludon
short quiver
curse drifblim seems to work against archaludon
im sorry what
knotty mirage
Okay so from this 4 move from flutter which one that the best to replace with fake tears
-moon blast
-shadow ball
-dazzling gleam
-protect
short quiver
id take my opinion with a grain of salt but id sac dazzling gleam
knotty mirage
Yeah i guess that will work even tho replacing spread move sucks but there too many wide guard for it to be any of use anyway
short quiver
🙂
stone trellis
curse drifblim seems to work against archaludon
Give it a Float Stone and have it learn Heavy Slam.
The furry would be proud.
cyan smelt
it seems to be working really well for bulky pokemon
short quiver
Give it a Float Stone and have it learn Heavy Slam.
what
doesnt float stone make you lighter 😭
stone trellis
The person I'm referencing used Curse + Heavy Slam on Wailord.
cyan smelt
legend
short quiver
The person I'm referencing used Curse + Heavy Slam on Wailord.
with the float stone??????
stone trellis
He also accuses every single prominent VGC player of being a genner/cheater.
stone trellis
with the float stone??????
No, that was my creative addition.
short quiver
No, that was my creative addition.
wouldnt you want an iron ball
float stone makes you lighter
ruining heavy slam, no?
stone trellis
It's a joke.
Drifblim and Wailord are extremely light Pokemon.
Heavy Slam/Heat Crash is good on Zamazenta, Iron Hands VS Flutter Mane, Groudon and basically nothing else.
short quiver
celesteela if she was in sv:
stone trellis
That too.
short quiver
celesteela if she was in sv:
short quiver
The pesky Miraidon:
xurkitree 😃
cyan smelt
at some point i want to try p2 ursa balance
solid frigate
The pesky Miraidon:
It’s funny that Ferrothorn existence would just solve most of the Reg I
cyan smelt
I miss ferrothorn
red willow
Why is glowking good in singles but not doubles
Maybe I should just unfollow stunfisk on reddit I am confused about alot of mons viability there seems like genuinely different game modes at times even tho it is same mons and confuses me
Like glowking still has regenerator and chilly reception in doubles so why would it be good in one but bad in the other or is it a different meta because the lack of a second mon on field at all times
stone trellis
It’s funny that Ferrothorn existence would just solve most of the Reg I
Except for Koraidon.
red willow
I am drunk and confused guys
Doubles do not equal single but same mon is same
Why no good
I posted it on resdit with question for the singles guys to tell me why no good in doubles
solid frigate
Except for Koraidon.
Koraidon has some counterplay anyway
red willow
I can see now intimidate good in doubles but not as gopd in singles there is difference between 2 an 1
For sure
waxen dock
also fake out
red willow
Is good in doubles but no single
waxen dock
because like how a little bit of chip damage in exchange for your opponent doing nothing worth this moveslot
red willow
i jist really want to play with glowking but ig he not doing well fpr doubles but I HATE singles
He can like set up snow for kyreum sweep maybe?
Or is kyreem not good
red willow
It is j on cart ladder thot but I will also play h f local
waxen dock
there is reg j which is still with retricteds but most people use mythicals
red willow
Yeah I am playong ekiller arceus team or sometging for j cannot decide for h yet
Someone said sunroom so maybe that
Sneaslerlooks fun tho i think dirclaw would be fun to play
I named my pokes a few gens ago for the first time i had a genga named seinfeld and a haxxorus namrd reba we had a theme of 90s sitcoms going i just need timallen
Wow jesus I am butchering the words
Sorry have an eye closed now to type right
woven pelican
red willow
Wait a minute did they take out the stealth rock singles players would not like that right?
That is their favorite moves is spikes and stealth rocks
I have been informed stealth rock still exist
cyan smelt
people are definitely practising for gc hey
stone trellis
people are definitely practising for gc hey
Will you be participating?
Do you have a team?
cyan smelt
idk, i'm practising with male indeedee sneasler ttar excadrill and if it's any good i'll use it
stone trellis
If you don't want to use that team, me and @short quiver have been working on one.
stone trellis
I do.
cyan smelt
seems like bullet seed rilla is back
next stump
having such an early GC will be wild
chrome knot
itll be fun
i get to use the team i would bring if i were going to pittsburgh before the meta shifts and makes it ass
stone trellis
I have this irrational hope that the team I built with Vex is going to do really well at the GC.
Maybe it's just hopium.
bold geode
lofty bridge
Does anybody wanna build a team for the grand challenge coming up?
Dm me if you want to
cyan smelt
uh, drifblim is actually kinda based tbh lol
chrome knot
<:incin_hey:787169810865324042>
cyan smelt
how's p2 ursa balance going em
cyan smelt
nice, i think it's hard for me to play against that
chrome knot
i made an ev change that 0 people will expect
and i’ve climbed like 200 elo bc of it
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gholdengo-gif-11170440751423536766
Groovin
foggy lodge
ok so genuine question
why is Smeargle bad without restricteds, good with single restricteds and broken with double restricteds
I've been trying to figure out why does that happen but I still don't know
cyan smelt
Same with farigiraf
foggy lodge
I mean Farigiraf is more understandable because it has a good MU into both Calyrex and just blocking priority moves into restricteds is a super good tool
But Smeargle is uhhh
cyan smelt
Without restricteds you need stronger support
foggy lodge
Hmmm yeah
Like Smeargle can be a bit passive in some spots and the restricteds solve that
cyan smelt
Smeargle enables more powerful mons to do their thing
chrome knot
I've been trying to figure out why does that happen but I still don't know
because in lower power formats you can afford to have less role compression
which makes smeargle versatility alot less valuable as there aren’t many mons that can take the place of csr per say where if u give it ample opportunity you cannot lose
dense latch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2428369357 i can't catch a break
short quiver
If you don't want to use that team, me and <@941169800061784115> have been worki...
🙂
short quiver
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2428369357 i can't catch a br...
reg h loves you lmao
deft crescent
how would one typically run a kingdra in the rain?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
next stump
I lean towards special with something like Life Orb, Muddy Water/Draco/coverage or another water move/Protect
Physical Dragon STAB is really rough
deft crescent
I lean towards special with something like Life Orb, Muddy Water/Draco/coverage ...
what do u think of weather ball ice beam draco protect life orb?
deft crescent
I can see that for sure
rustic mountain
dillon wat u been running if u dont mind me asking
rustic mountain
nice both look good tho even despite its success i still cant behind poison touch sneasler 
rustic mountain
lol
next stump
hahaha I get it, I still haven’t fully committed to one of the two sides. I feel based off my games that poison touch has been generally more relevant but the ceiling of unburden’s usefulness is higher
I think unburden is really useful in the rain matchup
rustic mountain
i just think limiting the variance of dire claw by upping ur poison chance is actively bad in most cases
its like very team specific on why u might want poison moreso for dot
next stump
this is from erik the other day I think that poison touch applies second
so you roll the poison, para and sleep chances first, and then if they fail, a poison chance is rolled
rustic mountain
yea that is dope
stone trellis
I lean towards special with something like Life Orb, Muddy Water/Draco/coverage ...
Weather Ball.
rustic mountain
again, i know im like objectively wrong in a sense seeing as its done well at irls in reg h prior. most of the time i come around but sometimes i just have a hard time seeing it. like its nice to have for that double proc instance w/ lum berry but in the case of dire claw not proccing and u get poison over para or sleep its like the worst possible status option in most cases outside again teams that rely on that dot like dozo.
it seems more like players who specifically value knowing they are more likely going to get poison status or atleast a status throughout their games which i can get to a certain degree but i also think unburden is a really good ability on its own that can mess a lot of teams up with its innate speed control. and trade offs yada yada but i dont think the value of poison status is necessarily worth trading off that added functionality of outspeeding a lot of stuff even w/ tw active and upping ur use/probability for something like a dire claw to actually give u something like sleep or even para that have more of a chance shifting the tides of a game
jade dust
But I think I played well
I had good positioning and manage to deal damage consistently even if they denied me trick room
I really wanted to keep Mageara healthy cuz I know she can survive an electro drift if I deny them terrain
Even through helping hand
short quiver
again, i know im like objectively wrong in a sense seeing as its done well at ir...
thats a lot to read
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
forest arrow
Bro put the Toxicroak away
near crag
thinking of running the DUG trio, with maus ape and whims. Do you think that could work?
short quiver
its reg h you can make anything work in this format if you try hard enough
rustic mountain
thats a lot to read
short quiver
<:MaceDeathStare:729512211726205009>
thats a lot of words… too bad im not READEN EM (i did read it)
rustic mountain
forest arrow
Lmao
dense latch
rustic mountain
sup
nocturne holly
U guys remember when the galar birds were used
I def remember goltres and gapdos
And a little garticuno
Yea no I think each had their 5 min of fame
short quiver
And a little garticuno
i used galar articuno for a bit
rustic mountain
g moltres was really good in swsh for a cppl formats
short quiver
moltres is seeing play in low ladder online
solid frigate
stone trellis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2428610862-2qhuhh1cu3joctvrl4...
This is so peak.
nocturne holly
g moltres was really good in swsh for a cppl formats
It had some dominance sv too
bold geode
It did not
forest arrow
It was used but it was not dominant
nocturne holly
It was used but it was not dominant
Yea not dominance but like idk how to phrase it
It was used a quite a fair bit
polar canyon
can someone tell me what the fuck im looking at rn
Classic tr meows
You've never seen it before?
It got to like 40% usage during reg k at some point
short quiver
You've never seen it before?
no 💀
is there any difference whatsoever between protect and detect
foggy lodge
No
Apart from PPs
Which makes detect slightly better in theory just because you spend less turns encored on it
short quiver
i bred an eevee to have tickle and detect
🙂
can you guess what its gonna evolve to
foggy lodge
We have to play Zamazenta Goltres Latios again
short quiver
We have to play Zamazenta Goltres Latios again
what
short quiver
can i cook something with foulplay umbreon, swagger grifaiai/grimmsnarl and syrup bomb hydrapple 😃
id use scovillain for umbreon with spicy extract but that would also require a sunsetter
rustic mountain
We have to play Zamazenta Goltres Latios again
foggy lodge
3 mons doing 0 damage damn
rustic mountain
bold geode
<:peepoglad:802777465101353020>
Hey Tree do you remember what the optimal HP numbers were for Sitrus recovery?
bold geode
Multiple of four.
Thx
bold geode
Figured it was that but I wasn't sure
dense latch
We have to play Zamazenta Goltres Latios again
okay mdb we know it’s you get off the alt
chrome knot
@bold geode monke i hit 1400
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> monke i hit 1400
near crag
I'm thinking of making a basic sunroom team, with torkoal, ursa, indeedee and hatterene, but with pult and lilligant for a fast mode. Is it worth building, or does it just suck?
rustic mountain
doesnt seem bad outright, id say just test it first
near crag
How about dnite bloodmoon gholdengo, but with whims and mausape?
rustic mountain
seems solid
forest arrow
Pretty solid, I was playing something similar with A9/Magmar, TW wouldn’t hurt the team at all
short quiver
chat is there anyone up in the big leagues who rocked an umbreon team
i wanna use umbreon so badly
i recall umbre being good in restricted formats so if the team is reg i or whatever thats cool but im
hoping it can be reg h compatible
dense latch
chat is there anyone up in the big leagues who rocked an umbreon team
someone made top 4 at a regional in reg g but that’s it
it’s just kinda outclassed
short quiver
someone made top 4 at a regional in reg g but that’s it
dense latch
short quiver
so not reg h compatible, unfortunate
dense latch
yes it’s not really valuable for you
dense latch
umbreon has no reg h results
short quiver
🥺
dense latch
in reg g it at least had some semblance of a niche since it helped vs both calys
short quiver
do you think it could work for me in reg J next week?
dense latch
you want the nice answer or the honest answer
short quiver
um….. both?
dense latch
no i don’t
waxen dock
kian campbell used it
short quiver
okay, do you think i can make it work in reg h at all 🥺
waxen dock
in reg g
waxen dock
okay, do you think i can make it work in reg h at all 🥺
maybe
dense latch
okay, do you think i can make it work in reg h at all 🥺
the niche it fills is just kinda irrelevant
short quiver
i wanna use it as a foul play kinda bulky physical sweeper
dense latch
umbreon would have to be support
foul play snarl
maybe protect helping hand or smth
i just don’t see the point
short quiver
could i use umbre and espe together 😃
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
dense latch
it’s worse than every other relevant eforce user
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
dense latch
guts mon that can’t get burnt
dense latch
you can only passively self proc it through toxic orb
which is just gonna do way too much damage
short quiver
😕
dense latch
also flareon somehow manages to be slow and not very bulky
short quiver
i will now look through all the eevees for a partner to run with umbre
i shall return momentarily
rustic mountain
short quiver
how about jolteon 😃
dense latch
best bet is probably sylveon
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
short quiver
best bet is probably sylveon
boooooooo
dense latch
only relatively useful eeveelution
rustic mountain
why do u always wanna use bad mons
dense latch
and even that’s generous
rustic mountain
🤨
short quiver
why do u always wanna use bad mons
because i happen to like apparently competitively bad mons
dense latch
you’re spending a lot of time trying to make bad pokemon work instead of getting better at the game which is gonna set you back skill wise
short quiver
but if i get good with bad mons then i should get good with good ones right?
dense latch
but if i get good with bad mons then i should get good with good ones right?
the thing is the former is likely not gonna happen
because the pokemon simply don’t allow it
short quiver
but umbreon isnt even bad 😔
rustic mountain
if anything its the opposite, use good mons get good at the game then u can figure out more effectively how to use less used mons that can fill a specific role for a team/format outside of hey i wanna use this mon
short quiver
lil bro just misunderstood
rustic mountain
u even acknowledged urself u know it has done well in restricted formats, why ignore the context of what makes it more effective in higher level formats
short quiver
the issue with the team suggested to me is i dont have a raging bolt 😔
rustic mountain
like ur actively choosing to not look at what the reasoning is on why its good in one case and not the other. like sure its not a bad mon outright but its not a good mon in reg h
it fills a role in one instance where things are concentrated into 1 or 2 pieces that umbreon can do well against (whether its type based into lunala/csr, foul play into cir, yawn for disruption) that value starts to lessen the more the strength pool is spread out and those big targets arent around
short quiver
are umbre and sylve the only viable competitive eevees in any format available to us 😔
dense latch
if you want to use niche pokemon said niche actually has to contribute something to the team
unless you just want to play with 5 mons
rustic mountain
*contribute something that effectively influences wins
dense latch
*contribute something that effectively influences wins
yeah that’s true ty for adding that
gentle cragBOT
yeah that’s true ty for adding that
eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.
rustic mountain
ik u know that erik but im not sure cynic understands the implication of what contribute means outside it can get this strat/move off
how does that move or strat or w/e actually net u value that lets u win on a consistent basis
dense latch
yea contribute is a broad concept
short quiver
is there a team i can use for the current format or the upcoming one that i can use umbre on that doesnt have raging bolt (i dont have a raging bolt nor am i doing the dex completionist bs to get one)
short quiver
ik u know that erik but im not sure cynic understands the implication of what co...
unfortunately i do
dense latch
umbreon is just not it dude sorry
rustic mountain
ok well id say u still asking for an umbreon team given everything thats been said states otherwise
short quiver
ok well id say u still asking for an umbreon team given everything thats been sa...
after we have all acknowledged umbre works in high restricted formats my question seems quite validated
dense latch
especially in reg i where it’s not as easy to have it be a check to csr and cir when the other restricted just blasts it off the face of the esrth
dense latch
after we have all acknowledged umbre works in high restricted formats my questio...
it has one decent result
throughout the entire generation basically
short quiver
cowards 🥀
rustic mountain
it has been good in past restricted formats, this most recent dual restricted for sv which is basically reg j it has like nothing. sometimes effectiveness doesnt always translate generation to generation or even single restricted to dual
rustic mountain
if u want to try and convert w/e umbreon team did ok in reg g, go for it but ur asking in a competitive chat about off the wall options that dont necessarily have much of a place. i even say this as someone who loves umbreon but in terms of competitive im not gna use something thats not helping me and my team
dense latch
but no one would really know how to slot it in/justify its spot in a format where every team slot counts more than ever
short quiver
competitive is no fun 😔 if you dont do this and this this certain way with these specific mons its competitively unviable 🥀
rustic mountain
winning is fun
short quiver
winning is boring if you have to do the same thing again and again to get it
i like random off the wall stuff
forest arrow
Then honestly singles is probably for you
short quiver
excuse me while i go vomit
rustic mountain
id say a few things in response
- u dont need to have that same approach
- guarantee u havent tried out meta enough to even win enough to know wat ur saying cuz
- if u did ud understand how nuanced it can get even with using something like the same 6 mons which isnt exactly the case even in centralized formats
where there does exist more variation amongst what u can run
dense latch
or like casual battles if you just want to battle with your favorites
woven pelican
or if you really like off the wall stuff then go to showdown and just play random battles all day or something
short quiver
what so i can run into minimize muk with costar flamigo
rustic mountain
huh
short quiver
or like casual battles if you just want to battle with your favorites
that was supposed to reply to this
rustic mountain
whose running costar flamigo w/ muk stuff in casual lmao
short quiver
youd be surprised
rustic mountain
anyway im not even saying dont play ranked, i just think coming here asking people who have a more serious approach to the game about ring target strats or some random mon u wanna use isnt exactly going to yield u the best results on a multitude of levels
short quiver
even a small niche is a good enough niche for me 🤷♂️
rustic mountain
and those do exist, id just really recommend trying to understand the game more before trying to tackle that side of it. or even using somebody elses team and getting a feel for why it makes sense. all those will better inform your decision making going forward about implementing more niche mons/strats into ur teams
a lot of ppl wanna skip steps and just jump straight to teambuilding which is a skill in and of itself that some of the best players dont even have
short quiver
im using mostly standard mons for the global challenge in a couple weeks
dense latch
using rentals/proven teams to get a feel for the game will ultimately help you start getting used to team compositions and then teambuilding
if you don’t want to do that then sure it’s just my advice
short quiver
restricted formats is not my thing i like fluttermane and ogerpon and thats it, and neither of them are even restricted
lofty tartan
Restricted formats allow them.
solid frigate
a lot of ppl wanna skip steps and just jump straight to teambuilding which is a ...
And sure they can get away for like a month or 2 but usually not a good idea
lofty tartan
Restricted formats are just Restricted pokemon in addition to all the other stuff
lofty tartan
a lot of ppl wanna skip steps and just jump straight to teambuilding which is a ...
My man spittin facts in here every single day
solid frigate
Restricted formats are just Restricted pokemon *in addition* to all the other st...
Man if only people can read the information /j
lofty tartan
Nah. Everyone thinks teambuilding is a basic step and it's a skill you learn after you already start getting good at the actual battling aspect of VGC
It ain't even about reading anything.
solid frigate
Nah. Everyone thinks teambuilding is a basic step and it's a skill you learn aft...
I did not even talk about Teambuilding
lofty tartan
Oh I see what you're trying to say.
solid frigate
It was about reading information about the format
lofty tartan
Yeah I wasn't going to make assumptions about people or anything. Just informing, because the several regulations can be confusing for someone new to the whole thing.
You get more bees with honey.
short quiver
Restricted formats allow them.
im aware of that, bruh. my ISSUE is there is no RESTRICTED MONS that i want to RUN ALONGSIDE THEM
lofty tartan
short quiver
what res mons can i run with flutter, ogerpon (fire or water), meow, and raichu
lofty tartan
Koraidon.
short quiver
and
solid frigate
I mean
Koraidon+Psychic Ghost type exists
Or even way before I played Miraidon in a regional without Fari and used Flutter Mane and Pon
short quiver
if only zacian wasnt afraid of a fucking candle 😔
solid frigate
Anything that isn't conflicting with Sun <:milk_shrug:1258133055147606176>
I remember me Nova and Monke made Hearthflame Pon work on a Rain Team without Extra pay from overtime lol
lofty tartan
I mean it can work, but it also reduces your options across a large amount of games, so it ends up pigeon-holing you
short quiver
so koraidon meow ogerpon (fire apparently) flutter and raichu
and i gotta find a second res from
the pool of ones even worth using 😒
lofty tartan
There are a bunch. Just realize that running things like Meowscarada and Raichu are going to be immediate handicaps into Reg J. 
short quiver
which is what Zama Zacian Mirai Korai CSR CIR Kyogre and Groudon?
the list of viable res mons i mean
im not hooh guy from worlds although that idea is intriguing
lofty tartan
Lunala is good with Koraidon
Groudon is pretty meh tier.
Ho-Oh is also good with Koraidon.
solid frigate
After worlds I’d say is
CSR Miraidon CIR Lunala Koraidon Zamazenta Kyogre Groudon Ho-Oh Zacian
I’m not talking about Pagos cuz bro fall off
short quiver
could i use hooh as my other res? 😃
short quiver
I’m not talking about Pagos cuz bro fall off
my poor turtle how far he fell 😔
hooh korai firepon meow flutter raichu
id use pipapu if it could even survive long enough to bother with its signature light ball
lofty tartan
Even with the light ball, it's not doing much
solid frigate
Well unless you want Pikachu to be a Support with a faster fake out than Incin
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
solid frigate
Is it faster than Rilla
short quiver
Well unless you want Pikachu to be a Support with a faster fake out than Incin
thats basically what its for
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.4
short quiver
fake out, nuzzle, die
lofty tartan
There's a lot of Fake Out that's faster than Incin/Rilla
You're trying to clear a pretty middling bar
short quiver
well
raichu allows me to have mons for anything that threatens me with electricity
hooh no like get zap
lofty tartan
Miraidon will Draco it
short quiver
Miraidon will Draco it
raichu will tera fairy
lofty tartan
This argument in a vaccuum.
solid frigate
Miraidon will Draco it
And they usually have Ursaluna with Lunala as their side restricted
lofty tartan
Yes, you'll tera fairy, waste a valuable resource on Pikachu, have it KO'd accidentally probably by the partner and still not do much more than Fake Out on something
Like just use Rhyperior. At least he can do something.
solid frigate
Like just use Rhyperior. At least he can do something.
Or Rhydon cuz Eviolite Stuff
lofty tartan
I guess
short quiver
i could use white herb sneasler maybe
i said raichu cuz i like the nuzzle utility
and lightning rod is so goated
which game do i get hooh from
scarlet or violet
solid frigate
Scarlet but if you havr Union circle stuff to do you can get them in both version
short quiver
i have no friends for union circle
solid frigate
woven pelican
considering it's bbq, #1187213102647873567 exists too
short quiver
how many mons are in the base sv dex, 400?
woven pelican
yes
woven pelican
are you getting charm for ho-oh?
short quiver
uh no
woven pelican
good, i was gonna say they're shiny locked in sv
woven pelican
i mean it would be hard to let them be huntable considering how static encounters work in sv
spark sphinx
Does anyone have a suggested method to getting into online battles, im not necessarily looking to get into real competition or anything but I want to give online trainer battles a try
real prairie
checked the pinned stuff and look at the rental teams in #rental_teams and give it a go starting in the casual ladder.
brave hazel
Does anyone have a suggested method to getting into online battles, im not neces...
Just train some pokemon & go online to do casual battles
cyan smelt
Man I've been rereading vgcguide and started with watching battles to see how the pieces interact, this stuff is hard, I guess I really did need to go back to basics
brave hazel
In the competitive scene is this worth anything ? Like the people that collect these type of things. Or did most people claim this event
real prairie
worth anything in what sense?
Its a decent little collectors item that was distributed. but no one will pay for it
real prairie
Man I've been rereading vgcguide and started with watching battles to see how th...
sometimes starting from the top again is good to reset yourself.
cyan smelt
Yeah I needed to really absorb the information in the guide because I was team building without really knowing what I was doing
brave hazel
worth anything in what sense?
Its a decent little collectors item that was dis...
Tryna get my hands on a shiny alolan weezing. No one seems interested tho. Thought maybe comp players would be more interested
real prairie
assume you mean Galarian?
brave hazel
i just realized i traded the catchable area zero korai away
I still haven’t caught mine
brave hazel
assume you mean Galarian?
Yeah that’s the one
💀
Neutralising gas is extremely OP in singles
real prairie
Drop me a DM and give me an hour, ill sort you out.
brave hazel
Ayyyy what a legend, cheers. Will do
lofty bridge
Drop me a DM and give me an hour, ill sort you out.
What ya talking about?