competitive_discussion

[mighty stump]

Ok guess

[nocturne holly]

Sitrus amoonguss

[mighty stump]

Good job

wrong

[molten oasis]

Pao, life orb ice spinner sacred sword sucker protect Tera stellar?

[bold geode]

56.25% roll on Specs Electro Drift
Which isn't great but like
It's the best I can honestly get
Oh it also has a 3/16 roll for +2 Lorb Psychic from CSR

[bold geode]

LMAO
Slap the buzzer

[mighty stump]

LO/Spinner/Sucker/Stellar/Protect yes

[nocturne holly]

That’s good

[solid frigate]

espeed swords dance Dasecent protect Normal Tera Ray?

[mighty stump]

not sacred

[polar canyon]

Can you just put on the obvious like espeed surging strikes spore rage powder

[molten oasis]

Throat chop?

[foggy lodge]

Clear amulet tera normal ray
Life orb chien pao
Sash CSR

[molten oasis]

Ruination? Crunch?

[mighty stump]

yurp

[solid frigate]

gottem

[mighty stump]

no

[polar canyon]

Astral barrage fake out

[molten oasis]

So throat chop?

[bold geode]

Also I found out like
It feels wrong to not run bulk on Cornerstone

[polar canyon]

What if it's tera stellar pao

[solid frigate]

i wanna guess Cloak Amogus

[molten oasis]

Uh, and then the shifu, wicked blow sucker close combat, sash Tera dark?

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/create

[molten oasis]

With detect?

[mighty stump]

yes

[solid frigate]

ok i was just guessing lmao

[polar canyon]

Tofu the link doesn't work btw

[mighty stump]

nope

https://pokepast.es/95ee314120d488f3

[dull ibex]

oh tofu what do you think about ability shield farigiraf

[molten oasis]

Hm

[mighty stump]

no

[dull ibex]

im proud of that one lmao

[molten oasis]

Really? Icy wind?

[solid frigate]

tera fairy with standard amogus set of Puff/sludge bomb,spore,rage powder,protect?

[mighty stump]

wack

[polar canyon]

Fake out wasn't right?

[molten oasis]

Snarl?

Tera blast?

[dull ibex]

counters arceus weezing

[mighty stump]

sludge bomb

[mighty stump]

no and no

[molten oasis]

Taunt?

[bold geode]

OH
@mighty stump Did you see the Solgaleo Kyogre team I posted LMFAO

[polar canyon]

That's a thing?

[dull ibex]

it will be

[mighty stump]

not tera fairy

[mighty stump]

nope

[nocturne holly]

Mystic water shifu
Av incin

[bold geode]

Scarf Shifu

[mighty stump]

nope and nope

[bold geode]

And Goggles Incin

[molten oasis]

Icicle crash?

[mighty stump]

yur

[solid frigate]

i'm honestly suprised i got 1.5 of them right

[polar canyon]

Goggles incin

[molten oasis]

wtf is this pao move

[bold geode]

And I'm guessing you run max max Jolly Incin with Taunt

[mighty stump]

nope

[nocturne holly]

Ice shard pao

[molten oasis]

What

[mighty stump]

yup

[foggy lodge]

Tera ghost csr

[mighty stump]

yup

[molten oasis]

Oh my god it’s ice shard isn’t it

Nice cigar

[mighty stump]

yup

[foggy lodge]

Tera fairy Amoonguss?

[polar canyon]

Does that csr have astral barrage? I think that's a 50/50

[solid frigate]

its not i guessed it

[molten oasis]

Hm

[nocturne holly]

what the hell csr without barrage???

[bold geode]

Tofu runs Shadow Ball CSR

[mighty stump]

nope

[molten oasis]

Did we guess incin?

[mighty stump]

no it does

[solid frigate]

lmao

[bold geode]

Tera Dark Amoongus

[foggy lodge]

Tera water

[atomic mural]

fake out incin

[mighty stump]

close but i changed it off that before

[molten oasis]

Incin, Tera bug, Rocky helm, fake out flare blitz knock off pshot?

[polar canyon]

Yeah of course it does

[bold geode]

Then you're Tera Water cuz I know you wouldn't go Fire

[mighty stump]

slay

[nocturne holly]

Can we see the updated paste

[molten oasis]

I’d like that

[mighty stump]

ok hold on

whay did yall guess for urshifu cuz its scarfed

water or dark

[atomic mural]

water

[polar canyon]

Water

[foggy lodge]

Water

[nocturne holly]

Water

[molten oasis]

Water

[polar canyon]

Does anyone run scarf dark

[bold geode]

OH WAIT LMAO Tofu I remember one thing you showed me about the Ursh

[mighty stump]

if u said dark u need to re-evaluate

[bold geode]

Can I guess it

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[foggy lodge]

lmao

[polar canyon]

You can't just say both

[nocturne holly]

It works like if watershifus not good

well like ykwim

[solid frigate]

i might do one later on

[nocturne holly]

wdym I didn’t say dark

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/3dd0b38789ce05e8

[bold geode]

It just popped in my head
Tofu
Are you still Jolly Scarf Ursh

[mighty stump]

ya

[polar canyon]

Protect pollen puff amoonguss

[bold geode]

LMAO

Yes

[molten oasis]

Close combat aqua jet u-turn?

[mighty stump]

Ya

[mighty stump]

Yes no yes

[nocturne holly]

Shadow ball csr

[molten oasis]

Coaching?

[mighty stump]

yes

[polar canyon]

Nasty plot?

[molten oasis]

Nice

[bold geode]

Did Coaching actually work for you?

[molten oasis]

Encore CSR?

[foggy lodge]

Encore CSR

Bitch

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/6cad8e70062c58bf

nope

[polar canyon]

Yo coaching ursh?

[bold geode]

I tried Coaching on my team and I could never get it to work

[mighty stump]

it had its moments

i never needed jet

[molten oasis]

Disable?

[mighty stump]

nope

[bold geode]

Actually I will give it to whoever said it earlier
I did run Flare Blitz Incin before

[foggy lodge]

Pollen puff

[polar canyon]

Coaching zama is really fun

[molten oasis]

Pollen puff?

[nocturne holly]

Encore

[mighty stump]

nope

nope

[nocturne holly]

Taunt

[mighty stump]

nope

[molten oasis]

Energy ball?

[mighty stump]

nope

[molten oasis]

Calm mind?

[mighty stump]

close

[nocturne holly]

Nasty plot

[mighty stump]

yep

[polar canyon]

I said nasty plot

[foggy lodge]

Lol

[molten oasis]

Yeah someone said nasty plot

[mighty stump]

i ahve no idea when

[nocturne holly]

Yea

[mighty stump]

im on my phone

but yay u did it

[polar canyon]

Well I don't need credit lol

[mighty stump]

https://pokepast.es/create

[foggy lodge]

That's all then isn't it

[nocturne holly]

Was ray any good on this

[mighty stump]

omgg

https://pokepast.es/a79c8ecf8b07b971

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

[mighty stump]

ya was fine

[craggy dagger]

tofu!

[mighty stump]

did its job to counter Koraidon gg ez

[polar canyon]

Might as well get natures out of the way

[molten oasis]

Y’all wanna do another one?

[mighty stump]

hawo

[foggy lodge]

do mine!!!

[nocturne holly]

Yea sure

[polar canyon]

I'm out after this lol

[foggy lodge]

Okay guys guess my paste https://pokepast.es/4b116cf6bd59d55b

[craggy dagger]

hellouu!!!
hru doin?

[nocturne holly]

Same lmao

[molten oasis]

I wanted to do my paste

[solid frigate]

I'll hold on mine

[mighty stump]

i am ill and on medical leave from work today

[molten oasis]

But ok

[polar canyon]

This one isn't even over hang on

Gotta finish tofus

[craggy dagger]

aww
hope you feel better soon

[mighty stump]

i thought yall finished

[craggy dagger]

oh

[mighty stump]

thank youuu

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to starblessed_owl

[polar canyon]

No nature guessing?

[nocturne holly]

Tera grass volc
Tera fire korai
Tera electric mirai

[craggy dagger]

wait
thats actually kinda cool

wide guard doesnt affect dragon darts

[foggy lodge]

Wrong right right

[mighty stump]

hmm

Yall actually make me wanna play Pokemon again soon

[craggy dagger]

i thought it would but it doesnt

[polar canyon]

Worlds never fails to make me play again

[nocturne holly]

Water bonnet

Sucker seed bomb spore rage powder

[molten oasis]

Gonna come back and make snorlax pop off?

[foggy lodge]

Moves right

[craggy dagger]

i made a lax team-

[nocturne holly]

Yea

[mighty stump]

Snorlax already did pop off good sir

[molten oasis]

But you could do it again

[mighty stump]

i think i wanna do more Armarouge stuff

[mighty stump]

Probably will

[bold geode]

Let's work together
We can do great things you and I

[mighty stump]

I wanna do soemthing with Salamence and shit

[bold geode]

Green Goblin mask vibe

[polar canyon]

I thought delphox was the new favorite over armarouge

[molten oasis]

Armarouge is better in a tr setting

[mighty stump]

Armarouge is cooler

[bold geode]

Delphox is based

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 655: Delphox

Types

Fire/Psychic

Abilities

Blaze, Magician (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/69/72/114/100/104

Total

534

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

Idk, I’m trying Delphox with a9

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 936: Armarouge

Types

Fire/Psychic

Abilities

Flash Fire, Weak Armor (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

85/60/100/125/80/75

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

And I wanna go to Vegas

[mighty stump]

also check out my Pokemon Friends room

[polar canyon]

Hell yeah

[molten oasis]

That’s awesome

[polar canyon]

Awesome

[mighty stump]

HAHAHA

[polar canyon]

I'm just doing dailies I couldn't get myself to buy any bundle

[mighty stump]

me and my gf bought it and we play everyday

[molten oasis]

Oh hell nah

[polar canyon]

Dailies are fun

[woven pelican]

you got the mew I'm jealous

[bold geode]

Bro someone in the stadium tonight had a fucking Gardevoir plush sitting

[mighty stump]

I have Mew and Rayquaza

[molten oasis]

Was Pokémon friends the like

[woven pelican]

I have rayquaza

[molten oasis]

Puzzle games?

[polar canyon]

I like the decidueye center piece

Yes

[mighty stump]

ya they get pretty hard

[molten oasis]

I didn’t check it out, maybe I should

[polar canyon]

Daily puzzle games unless you pay to play more than once a day

[molten oasis]

[mighty stump]

Honestly if u just get the basic bundle its enough

id say its pretty worth if you like brain teaser stuff

to like waste time

[molten oasis]

I already pay for tcgp

[mighty stump]

nerd

[molten oasis]

I like collecting cards!

[mighty stump]

big nerd

[polar canyon]

At least it's not actual tcg

[molten oasis]

[polar canyon]

That's the real nerd stuff

[mighty stump]

yall miss me dont lie

[bold geode]

I pay for women to love me
It never works

[molten oasis]

I have like 1000+ cards

[polar canyon]

Ok nerd

[nocturne holly]

Do u play ranked

[molten oasis]

I also have like 20+ gundam

[mighty stump]

Are yall excited to use Chien Poo

[bold geode]

I DO WAAAAH

[molten oasis]

My walls are covered in merchandise and I collect plushies

[nocturne holly]

yesssirrr

[dull ibex]

are you still guessing?

[bold geode]

LFG CHIEN POO

[nocturne holly]

chien poo looks fly ash

[molten oasis]

CHIEN POO

[polar canyon]

Chien poo + piss arceus in reg j

[mighty stump]

CHIEN POO

[bold geode]

Red can you send me a screenshot of my team plz lol

[nocturne holly]

how do we get piss arceus

[mighty stump]

PISSCEUS

[molten oasis]

LMAO

[dull ibex]

I dont think I know where it is

[bold geode]

I gave you a rental

[molten oasis]

yes tofu we missed you around

I miss the days we just messed around in vc

and found this

[mighty stump]

i have been a busy adult man ridden with the plague

[molten oasis]

Nooo adulthood

I did get busier mostly with dnd and now school

[bold geode]

Tofu has a life holy shit

[mighty stump]

Can you believe I do surgery

[bold geode]

Don't you save like dog balls in jars

[mighty stump]

Just my first pair

[bold geode]

LMAO

[mighty stump]

I can do castrations in 25 minutes

[molten oasis]

Can’t believe I considered being a vet

[polar canyon]

Pokemon player works with animals and collects balls it checks out

[bold geode]

Bro is doing any% castration

[mighty stump]

LMAO

[molten oasis]

Wild monke lol

[bold geode]

"Getting splits, left nut is gone"

[mighty stump]

Wel

When Pokémon Champions drop i’ll pribably become more active

[bold geode]

Real

[molten oasis]

See but that’s 4 months away

[polar canyon]

Or is it

[spiral ridge]

What’s more fun vgc or handling pet balls

[mighty stump]

4 months is pretty soon

I should probably write up a new beginners guide

[molten oasis]

Nah too long

[bold geode]

Gotta be pet balls

[polar canyon]

I'm half expecting it to release 2 months before worlds

[mighty stump]

with updated graphics and stuff

[solid frigate]

thats basically me with bham regionals

[spiral ridge]

Fs

[craggy dagger]

you

[molten oasis]

Scotty wtf

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

What

[molten oasis]

Uh, idk

[craggy dagger]

go to bed

[polar canyon]

It would be really funny if they also host a separate championship for pvp legends za just for 2026

[molten oasis]

Kinda blanked out for a second

[mighty stump]

Im also excited to have Pokemon Champions on the phone

[spiral ridge]

Ok

[foggy lodge]

Actually I was curious about this before and forgot to ask

[mighty stump]

That means I can carry my teams Snorlax around

[foggy lodge]

How do y'all manage team preview

[mighty stump]

Experience tbh

[foggy lodge]

I think I've been getting it better now but still something to improve

[solid frigate]

snorlax:You can't take a break from me lol

[mighty stump]

There usually are patterns/pairs that open together to enable the overarching gameplan into your team

[molten oasis]

Experience yeah, although I don’t play cart at all

[spiral ridge]

Gn good to see ya tofu

[mighty stump]

Theres two approaches tbh

You can either open with an open-ended pair to give yourself a very adaptable start

[craggy dagger]

[mighty stump]

Generally this is like those Fake Out +1s

Incin leads etc

[polar canyon]

I like planning for all options I think the opponent might use or as many as I can at least

[mighty stump]

Or you can have a set lead

Depending on your team/gameplan

Such as TR leads like Deedee/Arma or Clef/CSR as an example

Where irregardless of what the opp opens with

you lead the same thing

There is also something to be said about having to consider the opp’s biggest threat

Like e.g. if your team is weak to CSR and they have CSR

You have to open expecting CSR to start

So you open according to what you percieve is gonna fuck you up the most

so theres adaptable, set, and reactive

[foggy lodge]

hmm yeah

[mighty stump]

at least thats how i see it

[polar canyon]

That's 3 not 2

[mighty stump]

I generally play very set teams

[foggy lodge]

I feel like I often lead interpretating that I have to adapt to what the opponent does

[mighty stump]

yea 3 not 2, but the third is a subset of 1

[foggy lodge]

Like I lead "passively" instead of proactively more often

[solid frigate]

so ig my turn on you guys guessing the OTS

If you guys want to guess that is (Natures included)

[mighty stump]

its also down to playstyle

[molten oasis]

I lead to cover the most options I can

[polar canyon]

I'm realizing I do that too now

[mighty stump]

Like

Aggressive teams run very set opens

Predictable, but overwhelming

[polar canyon]

I think I like having pivots on every team because then I can have a set lead and still be flexible about how I play

Volt switch is my favorite move

[foggy lodge]

I'm guessing Tornadus Csr, Kyogre Csr, Korai Flutter stuff for example right

[mighty stump]

Balance teams do either reactive/adaptable so they can build based off a neutral open

[mighty stump]

correct

[polar canyon]

How do set leads with pivoting moves fit into that criteria

[dull ibex]

yessss

[mighty stump]

its still a set lead

[foggy lodge]

More like adaptable leads right?

[polar canyon]

Like a volt switch miraidon

Cool

[foggy lodge]

Like pagos Incin/rilla/rockpon

[dull ibex]

stupid question

what are set leads

[mighty stump]

Gholdengo Murkrow

[dull ibex]

oh like sweeper tailwind

[foggy lodge]

Its a way say when you commit to a certain gameplan or mode

[mighty stump]

Yep

[dull ibex]

do those exist in regulation I?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[dull ibex]

or is that a low power format thing

[foggy lodge]

Like when you do Lunala Incin lead or Miraidon Whimsi lead

[mighty stump]

yea

[foggy lodge]

You either commit to the TR mode or TW lead

[molten oasis]

Flutter korai, CSR incin

[solid frigate]

Miraidon Fari,Koraidon Flutter,Incin Urshifu(For Pagos)

[mighty stump]

Keep in mind like these are not strict, like set leads can be set BECAUSE they are adaptable sometimes like you mentioned Pivoting @polar canyon

But HO stuff is the easiest example

But not every adaptable lead is a set lead

[dull ibex]

Oh is it like my reg b team tofu?

where i had like 6 set leads

[solid frigate]

i don't think i do that much Set leads

I just kinda think of something that would work against most of the opponent's set leads

[mighty stump]

the HO stuff

[dull ibex]

yeah

[mighty stump]

yea

p much

[dull ibex]

I miss having set leads

[foggy lodge]

Oh yeah I watched a report from JoeUx9's Jumpluff team and he said he had very set leads

[solid frigate]

vary?

[polar canyon]

I think it's part of why I came to enjoy electabuzz in reg i, been working it like a jack of all trades support with pivoting redirection and speed control

[mighty stump]

If you guys wanna have more insight with what set leads are like

https://x.com/vgccorner/status/1929930742483554753?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Brady Smith - VGC Corner (@vgccorner)

Most players overthink team preview.

They get lost in predictions and mind games.

Here's what I've been teaching on coaching calls lately:

“Lead with your biggest threat + its bodyguard.”

Simple concept. Very Powerful.

Let’s break this down:
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X · Jun 3, 2025, 3:58 PM

[solid frigate]

i think middling level formats is where i actually use set leads more than normal

[mighty stump]

this is basically set lead indepth

Set leads also play more pro-actively

[molten oasis]

the wise mystical brady

[mighty stump]

Because you intend to set the pace on your end

[dull ibex]

is brady the guy that reccomended max spdef and hp on incin?

I still use that

[mighty stump]

Teams can also have more than 1 set lead - it depends on how you intend to set up a board. Set leads imo are a good way to practice playing to win

Play to win, not to not lose

[dull ibex]

maybe thats what im missing

[bold geode]

Team posted

[polar canyon]

Some dozogiri teams just have dozogiri + 2 set leads right

[dull ibex]

dollarmonke i have an announcement

your a bich

[mighty stump]

yur

[bold geode]

Yes

[molten oasis]

2-2-2

[mighty stump]

Team structure and intent also have an influence on how things open, and therefore its important to evaluate the patterns aforementioned

[foggy lodge]

Yeah like the dozo csr weezing team that leads csr weezing 80% of the time lol

[mighty stump]

Like obviously if you see Flutter Mane Chi Yu, thats an obvious potential open

[craggy dagger]

best team made huh…
what about our solgaleo kyogre team

[polar canyon]

Masters finals was so awesome

[waxen dock]

So its like koraidon flutter or torn kyogre?

[bold geode]

I'll make a post about my team on Twitter tomorrow and after that
Hell idk what imma do for a bit lol

[spiral ridge]

Was very confused you pinged me and it wasn’t just an insult

[mighty stump]

Yes

[molten oasis]

break time?

[bold geode]

That team was fun as hell

[bold geode]

Maybe idk

[jade dust]

The leads in finals were pretty weird lol

[solid frigate]

me when i almost broke on that team

[craggy dagger]

it was yeah

[bold geode]

Fuck you

[spiral ridge]

Also you don’t gotta credit me especially when I made things harder by using other variants and spreads

[bold geode]

Tbf you did give some valuable insights

[molten oasis]

i didn't help much with that team

[craggy dagger]

a joke turned interesting team
too bad the week before, mirai lunala won a regional

[dull ibex]

how unprofessional of a comp helper smfh

[spiral ridge]

That Eric bush on a tw absolutely fucks the team

[craggy dagger]

like
direct counters

[molten oasis]

but glad it came out well monke

[jade dust]

I’m happy for Giovanni, he really deserves the worlds win

[solid frigate]

we posted that team

During utretch lmao

[bold geode]

The updated variant I made actually wasn't bad into Mirai Nala

[bold geode]

Fuck you too

[jade dust]

I’m also happy for Koraidon

[dull ibex]

🙂

[foggy lodge]

Sash was just the meta call

[spiral ridge]

This genuinely was like facing older brother or something at a game I was just fucked

[solid frigate]

if only you give me a heads up how to beat my team lmao

[bold geode]

I figured out lines into TW variants

[craggy dagger]

thats true

[foggy lodge]

All the miraidon cir teams started dropping the scarf on shifu for sash

[craggy dagger]

but it def wasnt a fun MU to face

[bold geode]

Sash Shifu was the way this format

[mighty stump]

Sash Shifu feels overall more flexible in general

[spiral ridge]

That’s good cus especially at the time I had absolutely nothing

[molten oasis]

im weird and like mystic water shifu

[foggy lodge]

Yeh

[craggy dagger]

im weird and i like cloak shifu...

[spiral ridge]

Scarf water Tera I never changed on my team

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/flushed-gif-26618632

[foggy lodge]

btw tofu life orb miraidon outperformed every other miraidon at worlds lol

[spiral ridge]

Cus it’s good into mirrors

[molten oasis]

worlds was pretty crazy

[craggy dagger]

what-

[spiral ridge]

But maybe I’ll try that sash variants

[craggy dagger]

wasnt ho oh top 16

[bold geode]

Low-key you either

1. Go Incin Bolt
2. Pressure tf outta them with Zam CSR lead

[dull ibex]

wait is lunala incin the play for tr mode?

[craggy dagger]

i seemed to have missed a lot in this worlds

[molten oasis]

i'd post a rental if i felt proud of anything i made.

[foggy lodge]

Usually but you can also do other stuff

[molten oasis]

kinda just messed around this format

[spiral ridge]

His whimsi was fake tears so I had a lot less flexibility than I hoped

[solid frigate]

i think me and monke laugh about something so hard that i forgot

@bold geode monke remember what we laughed during day 2

[foggy lodge]

If they threaten your commit to TR gameplan you can like just do Incin Lunala to ensure it

[spiral ridge]

Anyways goodnight glad you’re proud of your team monkey

[foggy lodge]

But doing Mirai Lunala, Urshifu Lunala, Ursaluna Lunala all can work your TR mode

[bold geode]

Funny enough, Urshifu is the least brought on my team
It's good but yeah
Sash did make it better
Scarf Shifu on this team became practically unplayable

[foggy lodge]

The MiraiNala team is crazy it has so many viable leads

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/35a3110d3e444777

[molten oasis]

surprised shifu rilla and incin all failed to win worlds this year

[foggy lodge]

Mirai teams in general

[dull ibex]

well leading right just won me a game

[foggy lodge]

When playing Kobayashi's team I found Mirai Urshifu lead to he super good into mirainala because I could just double up into lunala and kill it

[solid frigate]

at least urshifu won in 2024

But yeah i'm suprised incin and rilla did not win anything for SV worlds

[molten oasis]

doesn't change how good they are

[solid frigate]

omg i remembered that tweet of Ogerpon plush just standing on Incin Plush during 2024 worlds after Arubega Miraidon won

[bold geode]

Also if you want any help on this, hit me up
I was thinking about doing a document for here with the links and shit anyways

[polar canyon]

Did no incin win juniors and seniors either?

[molten oasis]

oh, ig they did

[polar canyon]

Kid who won juniors last year won seniors today I think that's worth mentioning

Obviously if things keep going the way they're going next year he'll be an adult and win masters

[molten oasis]

Kevin Han is cracked

[pulsar cloak]

^

Went undefeated the whole tournament too

[mighty stump]

sure ill let u know. I’m just anal about my aesthetics thats all

[polar canyon]

Huh

Wonder what I should try building with if I wanna try local tournaments

I like zama mirai

[waxen dock]

You meam band?

[dull ibex]

what other leads does my team have besides, mirai whim and luna incin

[polar canyon]

I've been trying to rock the sash valiant with 3 support moves and icy wind to mixed results

[waxen dock]

Maybe miraidon lunala

[dull ibex]

and why would i lead that?

[bold geode]

I feel you there honestly

[dull ibex]

trying to get a better idea when to lead what

[waxen dock]

Volt switch koes something and into ursa or the other tr mon

Oh you dont have other tr mon

[polar canyon]

I mean if you have more than one set lead you should still be aware of what you're facing

[waxen dock]

Only ursa

But still

[dull ibex]

thats what im working on

[mighty stump]

I want a real life omni ring

[polar canyon]

I think nala could help for cir regarding mirai nala lead if you're running wide guard

Don't take my word for granted

[mighty stump]

Valiant has been so disappointing as a mon for me

[polar canyon]

I mainly picked up valiant for coaching but it's tricky to get an opening for a good coaching with it it feels

[forest arrow]

Speaking of coaching

https://pokepast.es/df5d6dd49d5a6a8e
I’ve burnt the kitchen

[polar canyon]

Not enough time when I want it to be wide guarding and dropping speed

Electabuzz woo

[dull ibex]

I'm working on a Google doc for notes

[dull ibex]

Is that dynamax on there?

[polar canyon]

We can only assume the other symbol there is either dynamax or an unannounced gen 10 gimmick

We already see tera there

But it looks like the bottom of the weird dynamax x symbol

As a final note today I just wanna say I fucking called it I knew lza was gonna have online pvp and people thought I was crazy

Never doubt me again

[cyan smelt]

Will it last 5 minutes like bdsp competitive lol

[bold geode]

Pokémon World Championships 2025 - All Winners, Results for VGC, TGC, Go https://share.google/PIMBF82qjEwIshaEx
Am I crazy or has Sports Illustrated never spoke on Pokemon Worlds before now

[dull ibex]

Monke don't you work?

Go to bed bitch

[bold geode]

I'm probably gonna go to bed in a min

[dull ibex]

Fair

What do I lead against hard tr

[bold geode]

OH
Before I get off for the night
Y'know what's funny
ONCE AGAIN
In a format where it should not have done well imo

Flutter Mane managed to dominate again

[waxen dock]

Are there hoing to be gc this seasons?

[mighty stump]

dmax, tera, mega, zmovesp

[dull ibex]

That's cringe tbh

I hope they have a plan for this chaos

[mighty stump]

im wondering how theyre going to execute

i feel like

you can pick one out of the 4

and maybe dmax has its own format

or idk

maybe they just go flashy and have all 4 in one go

which would be giga cringe

[dull ibex]

Agreee

Tofu are you too sick to offer advice on my team?

[solid frigate]

This would be so hard to manage already

Seen by Gen 7 Ultra Series

[molten oasis]

im getting my ass whopped

[stone trellis]

Masters finals looks fire, but damn does the song suck ass.

[cyan smelt]

Is it ed Sheeran

[stone trellis]

No, it's the gym leader battle theme.

[cyan smelt]

Oh

[stone trellis]

JUST GIVE US THE GEN 6-7 WORLD CHAMPION THEME YOU PUSSIES

That was actual fire.

(I say as the Koraidon goes Tera Fire lmao)

Is James' CSR Modest?

Surely it's not, right?

[craggy dagger]

no koraidon went first cuz +1

[stone trellis]

I know, bro.

[graceful scaffold]

update: bread was edible but idk what i did wrong lol

[stone trellis]

And so, for yet another year, Incineroar will not earn its fourth Worlds win.

https://tenor.com/view/peperoni-cheese-grater-pain-gif-7208913441227040545

[knotty mirage]

Just checking world after woking up and damn koraidon and brute bonnet won the world huh

[craggy dagger]

korai bonnet mirror

[mighty stump]

oh sick

champions is gonna rotate mechanics

[mighty stump]

brain no worky and im not very updated so i wouldnt be much help

[short quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-gif-26722749

i mean they cant throw all the different mechanics at us at once

[craggy dagger]

hoo boy
that sounds interesting

[jade dust]

I would like if they implemented the Frostbite status of Legends Arceus to the main games

[cyan smelt]

dynamax forever and ever

[jade dust]

Instead of leaving freeze as a rare status from ice moves

And make a move like will o wisp that inflicts frostbite

Special attackers have been left unchecked for a while

And remove freeze from the game

[spiral ridge]

Wonder how often

Did they say?

[molten oasis]

cant wait for megas in low power then tera in high

[spiral ridge]

Pft

[waxen dock]

Why is evolving pawmo so hard?

I just need it for 1 vgc team

[stone trellis]

Kyurem-White on his way to nuke CSR:

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-1015-gif-25519536

[lofty tartan]

Assault Vest and a giant spread of poor special moves wants a word with you.

There's no item that flat out increases physical defense like Vest does for special. There's a wider and deeper selection of powerful physical moves and many special moves are pretty poor. There's a lot more in the regards of physical attackers in general as opposed to good special attackers.

[brave hazel]

Since ZA is gonna have ranked, S/V online will dry up with being able to mega on ZA

Likely won’t see much Terra until champions now

[stone trellis]

Are there really?

Physical attackers have:

• Burn
• Intimidate
• Rocky Helmet/Rough Skin/Literally any contact-activated ability

And also, I'm sure that Miraidon and CSR are crying about their poor little special moves, such as Astral Barrage, Draco Meteor, Electro Drift, Expanding Force, Dazzling Gleam, etc.

Such awful moves, the poor little special attackers need to be given more!

Let's give them a status condition that DOUBLES their Special Attack because why the hell not, am I right?

[brave hazel]

Moon blast flutter better 🥷🏿🥷🏿🥷🏿

[stone trellis]

No shit, I just didn't mention it.

Oh, there's also Meteor Beam.

Physical attackers WISH they had that kind of a move.

[brave hazel]

All of them attacks have draw backs tho, stats wise.

Not many physical attacks have draw backs. Close combat does, a few others but not as much as sp moves

[stone trellis]

Let's talk about some of the most relevant ones and their drawbacks.

Earthquake: Hits everything, not beneficial when you want your partner to live and can't afford to click Wide Guard
Headlong Rush: Lowers both your defenses
Close Combat: Lowers both your defenses
Precipice Blades (shut up, Groudon is borderline relevant): Piss-poor accuracy
Brave Bird/Flare Blitz: Fuck ton of recoil, fucking kills the user if the target has a Rocky Helmet on

So tell me, how many of the relevant special attacking moves have similar drawbacks?

Ice Beam, Flamethrower and Thunderbolt get a whole extra 15 BP over their physical counterparts, and those physical counterparts only have a 10% chance of their secondary effects activating.

High Horsepower is slightly stronger than Earth Power, but it has worse accuracy and no secondary effect.

Don't even get me started on Moonblast and Play Rough.

[brave hazel]

Not enough fire sp attacks

That do good damage. Fire blast misses way too often.

Blast burn shouldn’t have a cool down under sun either

[stone trellis]

At least special attacking Fire types get moves.

Flamethrower, Overheat, Eruption, Heat Wave, they're all excellent moves that often circumvent their accuracy by how much damage they can do.

And Overheat's issue isn't taking away from your HP, it's just a drop to your Special Attack. Something which is just way easier to fix than losing your own HP.

[dull ibex]

Oki

[stone trellis]

Which blue should I use for the Choice Scarf on Chi-Yu?

I think the one on the right is slightly better.

[ocean pawn]

so i want to play the pokemon tcg where can i get started

[chrome knot]

#tcg_discussion

YAY

[south pelican]

Hi. Does iron valient got any competative play?

[stone trellis]

In VGC?

[rancid path]

can i use tornadus right now in rank battle or its not allowed?

[next stump]

it’s allowed

[stone trellis]

It is legal.

[rancid path]

is wh ay im planning a good team comp need advice

[stone trellis]

Everything except for mythicals or 2+ versions of the same Pokemon is allowed.

[rancid path]

garchomp hydreigon tornadus amoonguss incineroar gholdengo

[stone trellis]

That's for Regulation H.

[cyan smelt]

tornadus isn't legal in reg h

[rancid path]

i cant use this team for pokemon violet right rank battles now?

[stone trellis]

We are currently in Regulation I, which lets you use legendaries, paradox Pokemon and up to two restricted legendaries (or "Special Pokemon") on top of all the regular Pokemon.

[stone trellis]

He's using it in ranked battles, he can't play Reg H.

[rancid path]

whats the regulation right now in pokemon violet ranked battles?

[stone trellis]

This.

[gentle crag]

REGULATION J vs. REGULATION H BREAKDOWN FOR NEWCOMERS

From now until the end of August, we are currently in Regulation I. This ruleset allows for two restricted legendary pokemon. These are box art legendaries like Miraidon, Koraidon, Zacian, Zamazenta, etc. There's also DLC legendaries like Calyrex included there. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and in game until August 31st.

From September 1st onwards, there will be TWO active formats. If you want to play in game battles, you will be playing Regulation J. Regulation J is similar to Regulation I, but it also allows for mythical pokemon to be used. These mythical pokemon will count as a restricted pokemon, so you can't use unlimited. But for example, you could use Arceus and Groudon if you wanted to. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will be playable in game starting September 1st

The other active format will be Regulation H, an older format that is coming back again. This format CANNOT be played in game on the ranked ladder, it will only be available through Pokemon Showdown and through tournaments that the community hosts. This Regulations bans ALL Legendary pokemon and all Paradox pokemon allowing for weaker pokemon and strategies to be viable. This will be the ruleset for all in person tournaments, including small local events. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will ONLY be playable in game through community hosted events and in person tournaments, NOT ranked battles

Want to play Regulation H but don't enjoy Showdown or in person tournaments? Here is how to find community hosted tournaments - https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/?game=VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by mlbd. Message from · Aug 1, 2025, 6:52 PM

[rancid path]

so it means i can use this now in ranked battle?

[ocean pawn]

you can you just gonna deal with and of powerful legendar's

[rancid path]

oh so my team comp is kinda hard for this reg? do i need to use and maximize the use of legendary this regulation?

[knotty mirage]

I mean if you want to win yes

[rancid path]

can u recommend a team for hyper aggresivr playstyle in meta rn

[brave hazel]

Bump.

Curious to hear people’s thoughts

[stone trellis]

Here's an update on the drawing.

I decided to put the Sitrus Berry on the ground because I was already done coloring Brute Bonnet by the time I remembered about it.

I also messed up the stars around Brute Bonnet.

Are Giovanni's Lunala and Ursaluna shiny?

[brave hazel]

Can someone tell me how I was fighting a ho ho online & everytime they switched there ho ho healed it self ?

[stone trellis]

Ho-oh's hidden ability is Regenerator.

Regenerator makes it so that every time the Pokemon switches out, it regains 1/3 of its maximum HP.

[brave hazel]

Nice thanks

Never used it

Not a fan of using legends

[stone trellis]

Amoonguss also has that ability.

[cyan smelt]

and toxapex

[stone trellis]

Yeah, but nobody uses Toxapex in VGC anyway.

[stone trellis]

I genuinely didn't know how Brute Bonnet's face looks from the side, so I tried to hide it via the leaves.

[brave hazel]

Okay charzard Stella Terra under sun with life orb

Is a deadset nuke.

grim snarl T wave to reduce speed to cally & flutter who are common online in singles. Then charzard just nukes

[south pelican]

Yes

[polar canyon]

Why not just tera fire then?

[knotty mirage]

With giovanni winning the world championship is there a chance that we will get the shiny brute bonnet as mystery gift

[humble elk]

is there like a list of pokemon from least to strongest in the vgc meta?

[bold geode]

Closest thing you will find to that is if some YouTuber did a tierlist but tierlists are always opinionated so

They'll always differ from person to person

[stone trellis]

Definitely next year.

[cyan smelt]

i need help building a reg h team

[knotty mirage]

Hopefully because there a chance they will just choose the flutter instead

[stone trellis]

They've released quite a lot of Flutter Mane mystery gifts, so I doubt they'll do more.

[chrome knot]

@bold geode champs vgc!!!

[knotty mirage]

Me looking at 3 different winner gastrodon mystery gift

[polar canyon]

That's the one that carried the final game tho so like

[stone trellis]

I can't be fucked to watch past streams, can someone please answer me this question?

[polar canyon]

I think lunala is idk about ursa

Did his ursaluna show up on stream at all

[knotty mirage]

Did they ever release restricted legend winner as mystery gift tho ?

[bold geode]

[polar canyon]

I doubt they'd release that if they want to force people to buy dlc

[bold geode]

Huge

[stone trellis]

Doubt it.

[knotty mirage]

Fair enough

[bold geode]

@chrome knot My work productivity is gonna fall off so fucking hard

[stone trellis]

Will Incineroar look too stupid with the Rocky Helmet on?

[cyan smelt]

idk what to run for reg h

[polar canyon]

Just take something from champs

Run cir kyogre

[cyan smelt]

reg h

[knotty mirage]

Maybe you can just try copying winning past reg H team

[polar canyon]

Oh right

Well you can still do something from worlds

[knotty mirage]

Team that focused on archuladon and sneasler should work

[polar canyon]

I say run weezing team

Funniest way to check archa peli rain

And ability shield incin for ape

I had good success for my own standards using a 172 speed ev galarian weezing in reg h

Don't ask me what the speed is for because I completely forgot but there's a very real reason for it

[cyan smelt]

well my current team sucks

[stone trellis]

102 doesn't seem like a very specific Speed value to me.

[polar canyon]

Iirc it was coordinated with something on the team

Outspeeding a partner so it can use acid spray before it in the turn

Maybe the fast modest ursaluna

[stone trellis]

@bold geode You're in the MoxieBoosted server?

[bold geode]

Yes?

[stone trellis]

I was not expecting that, honestly.

[bold geode]

I make content

It's an extra place to promote

[polar canyon]

I think it's not the final version of it tho

I probably changed a few things about the team still

But I can't remember any specific calcs

That's the team I like for reg h tho there it is

Oh wait the paste broke when I pasted the text in lol

https://pokepast.es/c5d7001c3c682a9a

[fluid fiber]

Who's the person who said dynamax coming back was SUPER unlikely the other day lol

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/cbuttyvgc/status/1957260898323591360?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

Farigiraf's Strongest Soldier (@CbuttyVGC)

After the 2025 Pokémon World Championships, here is every Pokémon that has won Worlds in the masters division! Huge congrats to @PqlarBear for the fantastic win

X · Aug 18, 2025, 1:58 AM

Snorlax is the GOAT

[stone trellis]

Snorlax has won Worlds thrice?

And Metagross?

Why are Salamence and Mega Salamence considered as separate Pokemon?

[fluid fiber]

Hahaha I called it so hard lol

Gimmicks = regulations

Curious to see if Teras are also allowed

[stone trellis]

So wait, will gems also be there?

[fluid fiber]

Dunno that yet

[stone trellis]

And will we have regulations with more than one gimmick simultaneously?

[fluid fiber]

We only know Tera, Dynamax, Mega, and Z-Move

[fluid fiber]

Also don't know yet

[bold geode]

Snorlax has the same amount of trophies as Incin yet he's VGC king? Hypocrisy

[fluid fiber]

But we did see tera and mega in the reveal so its definitely possible

[fluid fiber]

Historic GOAT vs modern GOAT

[stone trellis]

Snorlax: greatest of the early ages
Amoonguss: greatest of the dark times
Incineroar: today's greatest

[fluid fiber]

Also Incin almost got 4 wins tbf

Second this year

Im so happy Chi-Yu won though I've been vouching for that mon since it was made legal

[stone trellis]

Even though it's nowhere near my favorite duo, I still love the fact that Koraidon and Lunala won.

[tranquil kraken]

How are y'all feeling about Champions officially becoming main format for VGC

[fluid fiber]

Agreed, a bit sad Zamazenta is a loser though

[stone trellis]

I like Chi-Yu and Flutter Mane too, so I'm happy for them winning as well.

[stone trellis]

Oh come on, its best placement was 4th.

It's not like CSR back in 2024, who was #2 behind Miraidon and yet got 10th as its best place.

[fluid fiber]

I just would've liked to see it become a world champ

[stone trellis]

I wouldn't.

CSR-Zamazenta teams just put me to sleep.

Hell, I should probably watch clips of those whenever I'm having issues with sleeping.

The only problem is my mom will find me sleeping with my phone in my hands...

[fluid fiber]

Happy, just hope that the game looks good

Battle Revolution was peak

[stone trellis]

I just hope Champions will be free.

[fluid fiber]

There will be a free version and a paid version afaik

[tranquil kraken]

^

[fluid fiber]

Im interested to see what the paid version comes with

[tranquil kraken]

Probably some kind of advantage in terms of how fast you can regain VP, or cheaper prices for renting Pokémon

[stone trellis]

Perhaps.

[tranquil kraken]

But we'll find out relatively soon.

[bold geode]

Please don't speak of that man in this chat

[bold void]

Who won last night i checked and the score was 1-1

[rancid path]

can my tornadus + garchomp lead can still work in this meta or nah?

[stone trellis]

Giovanni did.

[bold void]

Is that their first world title?

[polar canyon]

I honestly kind of want thoughts on this since it's outdated from I think the start of og reg h, what do you guys think?

[fluid fiber]

First tournament win

[polar canyon]

I think ursaluna speed is for some gholdengo build

And weezing is for acid spray before ursaluna

[bold void]

I mean if your first win a world title is an achievement

[fluid fiber]

What's Frosslass doing?

[polar canyon]

Iirc I just wanted a 6th slot and that's still open to change

[fluid fiber]

Fair, my 6th slot changed so much

Then my 5th slot changed

Then my 4th

[polar canyon]

I think froslass was somewhat consistent when I was using it

Threatens garchomp a bit

I think I should give it taunt

[solid frigate]

I mean Tbf all Ice Types are gonna give Chomp a run of his money

[fluid fiber]

https://pokepast.es/2d9af1ce606310c8 this is my crew rn

[polar canyon]

I'm not super into reg h atm but once I get back to it more I think I wanna keep working on weezing shenanigans

I think it's a cool anti meta sleeper pick

[fluid fiber]

Weezing is cool

Not really sleeper anymore due to Wolfe

But still cool

[polar canyon]

It was when I was using it lol

[solid frigate]

I’m gonna just do Double Dragon if Hydreigon and Garchomp

I’m sorry I can’t think of anything besides rain Archaludon

[bold geode]

Anyways since Champions and megas are coming back to VGC, what already released megas do we plan on using (not counting ZA yet)

[fluid fiber]

Fair

[polar canyon]

I did not play mega meta so I'll just pick the coolest looking one

It's banette

Mega banette is the coolest looking one

[solid frigate]

Mega Mence
Mega Metagross

If Pao wasn’t here then Mence would be so much better to pilot

[fluid fiber]

Gonna test these out

[polar canyon]

You think mega mence might fall a bit from glory if ice shard pao rises in usage?

[solid frigate]

Honestly no

[fluid fiber]

Because teras are gone maybe

[polar canyon]

Not permanently

[fluid fiber]

I see it being one of two megas on a team

[fluid fiber]

No, I mean in reg A

[polar canyon]

I'm still thinking they'll probably handle what gimmicks are allowed by dividing them in seasons

[fluid fiber]

I said that forever and people here said I was crazy but that's whats insinuated from the website now lol

[solid frigate]

Honestly just slap on a Fire type with Mence and you’ll be fine for the most part,Especially Chi Yu/Ogerpon in National Dex formats

[polar canyon]

They did? It's the most reasonable outcome

[fluid fiber]

With tera mega mence is amazing, without it it might struggle (key word MIGHT)

[polar canyon]

People said I was crazy when I suggested lza pvp

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 373: Salamence-Mega

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Aerilate

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

95/145/130/120/90/120

Total

700

Base Species

Salamence

Sableye version 4.28.2

[polar canyon]

My line of thought was now that we have the final ruleset for scarvio they'll probably push out something to at least make competitive in geneneral in the video games not stale until champions releases next year

[solid frigate]

Intimidate+Hefty Physical Bulk

[polar canyon]

So I said legends za pvp is not a 0% chance

[solid frigate]

Funny thing is that if you run Mixed Mega Mence you just lower Defense cuz you already have Intimidate

[polar canyon]

I hope champions has a damage calculator

I mean technically it does but you get what I mean

[bold geode]

I'm not gonna sugarcoat my answers, I'm going with strong picks

[polar canyon]

And those are?

I kinda wanna use mega aerodactyl now that it has dual wingbeat for tough claws

I never played mega meta but I heard that what holds it back is lack of moves that work with tough claws

[solid frigate]

Hearthflame can swap to Harc if Ogerpon isn't Legal

And can run another Psyspam mon if Crown was also not legal (Or change into Indeedee Male)

[polar canyon]

It's gonna be easy to tell apart new players from ogs during the first days of champions

[bold geode]

Mega Kang
Mega Gengar
Possibly Mence

[solid frigate]

monke wanna build Mega Mence as a duo when champions released

[bold geode]

Y'know what
Actually it's not the strongest
But Mega Lucario also interests me but that one will depend on how the meta folds

[polar canyon]

How much you wanna bet mega dragonite is gonna have serene grace air slash

[solid frigate]

Inner Focus Buff is huge

[polar canyon]

I wanna see if I can sleep in with my San Francisco cousins so I can watch worlds live

That would be so fun

Maybe I'll finally meet some of you guys in person if anyone goes to spectate

[bold geode]

Yeah like
Inner Focus buff is huge cuz like
Keep in mind Mega Lucario iirc has Adaptability which would be weak to say idk

[polar canyon]

Lucario lead is gonna be safer tho

[solid frigate]

it has adaptability

[polar canyon]

Mind games with fake out calling out turn 1 mega are gonna be incredible to watch

[bold geode]

But because it has Inner Focus, the Intimidate mons now have this I guess catch 22 idk what else to call it

Where it has to play around mega

[polar canyon]

It's gonna be awkward

Base lucario probably kos incin tho right?

[solid frigate]

100%

[bold geode]

THE OTHER REASON THO

So idk how well it'll translate over to Champions
But in Gen 9

[solid frigate]

i love how champions's mega format is basically the only time i don't play rain lol

[polar canyon]

Start making your adaptability sword of ruin bullet punch calcs

[lavish frost]

@bold geode hi

[bold geode]

Hello

[solid frigate]

this but a scratch-

Blood everywhere

[bold geode]

anyways in ten 9 you had early metas dominated by prio spam

And Luc has two great priority moves

[lavish frost]

Was the old competitive channel axed

[polar canyon]

What old competitive channel

[molten oasis]

Mega location?

I’m leaving that there

Lucario?

[lavish frost]

I was trying to look up my old messages in comp channel but results said I had 0 messages lol

Oh I'm dumb it was a diff server lmao

[rustic mountain]

told yall champs would be vgc 2026

also no dual battle gimmicks (atleast to start)

[deft crescent]

any1 wanna help me run some experiments with this sun team I'm tryna build

[red willow]

Did someone say it isnt turn based?

[stone trellis]

I'll help you when I get back home.

[deft crescent]

thx

[polar canyon]

How's it going so far?

I'm curious

[deft crescent]

wym

[polar canyon]

Don't be afraid to drop teams here if looking for feedback

[deft crescent]

https://pokepast.es/c840696044fd5afb

[polar canyon]

My advice tends to be bad so I hold back on it but there's good people here

[polar canyon]

Is thunder on raging bolt right or did you mean thunderbolt?

[tiny karma]

Move: Thunder

Has a 30% chance to paralyze the target. This move can hit a target using Bounce, Fly, or Sky Drop, or is under the effect of Sky Drop. If the weather is Primordial Sea or Rain Dance, this move does not check accuracy. If the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, this move's accuracy is 50%. If this move is used against a Pokemon holding Utility Umbrella, this move's accuracy remains at 70%.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

110

Accuracy

70

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[polar canyon]

50 accuracy in sun

[deft crescent]

raging bolt is soley there for a counter to rain teams

[polar canyon]

Even then it's not a good idea if it's a move that's only gonna be consistent in a bad situation

[craggy dagger]

tbolt is more consistent

[deft crescent]

yeah ig

[craggy dagger]

not an accuracy check into your weather
plus you have sun so if there’s rain you can always set sun back up

[polar canyon]

I'm assuming you're taking the leap from singles to doubles recently if you picked up heavy duty boots as an item

[rustic mountain]

for?

[chrome knot]

nooobaaaaaaa

[polar canyon]

But yeah as good as boots may be in singles or ou they are essentially useless in doubles

[craggy dagger]

emma!!

[polar canyon]

@deft crescent Did I guess right? I like taking wild guesses lol

[deft crescent]

no

[polar canyon]

Aw

[chrome knot]

haaiiiii

[deft crescent]

I just saw it as a popular item for raging bolt

[polar canyon]

Well drop the boots

[deft crescent]

I've never used raging bolt sooo

[craggy dagger]

hellouuu

[chrome knot]

look at my cute sweater i got yday :3

[rustic mountain]

great sweater
penguins >

[craggy dagger]

cuuuteee

[solid frigate]

Penguins clears 100%

[chrome knot]

got it from chicagos aquarium ^-^

[craggy dagger]

penguins

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/sanjay-chat-tamil-chat-star-chat-star-tamil-chat-startamilchat-gif-13182519435765108950

[polar canyon]

People don't really use hazards in singles other than very specific niche and uncommon situations like toxic debris glimmora, I assure you heavy duty boots is almost never going to make any difference in a double battle on any pokemon

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/shatap-gif-24359594

[chrome knot]

theyre so silllyyyyy

[polar canyon]

Also I love the shirt

[chrome knot]

look at the stinkies…

[polar canyon]

Thoughts on eiscue?

[solid frigate]

omg they are so dumb i love them

[craggy dagger]

galapagos penguins!!

or
uh
i think they are-

[rustic mountain]

i dont like animals in captivity

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 357: Tropius

Types

Grass/Flying

Abilities

Chlorophyll, Solar Power, Harvest (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

99/68/83/72/87/51

Total

460

Sableye version 4.28.2

[polar canyon]

Oh

Damn

[chrome knot]

terapagos penguins

[solid frigate]

I mean your name is tree so

More of a nature person

[solid frigate]

Ok that’s just Stellar Empoleon

[polar canyon]

What about when it's rescues?

[fluid fiber]

Aerilate E speed

[craggy dagger]

i don’t either…

[polar canyon]

I think they're making mega dnite a special attacker

[fluid fiber]

But imagine

[polar canyon]

Most of the footage of it using moves is it using special ones

[rustic mountain]

those are cool, sanctuaries and zoos/aquariams are inherently different tho, ones for tourism/viewing experience while the other is geared toward actual preservation and livelihood

[craggy dagger]

gale wings

[solid frigate]

It’s more like

Draco Meteor is most Popular Move for Dragon Types

[rustic mountain]

didnt say u did? just observing the picture that was posted

[solid frigate]

And Dnite spams Hyper Beam with Lance anyway

[polar canyon]

How about presumably air slash and hyper beam we saw in champions and za trailers

[craggy dagger]

no…?

i just commented on the type of penguin that they were

[rustic mountain]

yea think i misunderstood u responding to my comment thinking i was directing it at u wen im guessing u just meant it as an add on/agreement

text is hard

[craggy dagger]

oh

[polar canyon]

Hey tree did you watch the finals?

[rustic mountain]

i did

[polar canyon]

Who'd you root for?

[solid frigate]

Honestly there is no way they troll us with that while they knew Espeed Dnite is that good in Gen 9

[rustic mountain]

gio

[polar canyon]

Awesome

The stellar flutter carry was so fun

[solid frigate]

Man I’m happy that Odd Number Generation and odd number year had a Lunadon win

[polar canyon]

I think there is yes way

[rustic mountain]

i wouldnt of really minded if james won, but having seen gio not really break thru before and have consistent results i was hoping hed get there. he also was just playing insane

[polar canyon]

They made a physical mega charizard they can do the opposite with dragonite

[rustic mountain]

jeudy sayin that was the best worlds finals set ever

[polar canyon]

It was (I only watched 2 worlds finals)

[rustic mountain]

ive seen 4 in real time, watched back on like another 3-4

its tough to say really recency bias def can be a factor, regardless it was a fantastic set that g2 was a roller coaster

[dull ibex]

ok gang I did it

I have 7.2 million pokedollars

[solid frigate]

bro is massively hoarding

[dull ibex]

nah its called a turbo button

[stone trellis]

?

[dull ibex]

I can farm money overnight

[red willow]

Koala winning is pretty wild to me I cant even ladder with it lol

[stone trellis]

He's been using it for allof Reg I.

[red willow]

Im not saying its inherently better or worse than anything else just that I didnt have much personal luck with the duo lol

I just suck at using chi yu I think lmao

[nocturne holly]

game 2 was so peak

[bold geode]

Yes
Mega Location
Signature ability geoguessr

If I had to guess partners for Mega Lucario hmmm

Chien Pao if it's allowed of course

Probably also Pelipper

[molten oasis]

Is there a mon that uh

[bold geode]

Yeah Pelipper a big candidate

[molten oasis]

Oh, hm

[polar canyon]

Is idbp zama still used?

Haven't seen it on worlds live

[bold geode]

Nope

[bold geode]

Probably a lot of em uh

[molten oasis]

Sorry

[rustic mountain]

hopefully not

id rather a regional dex format

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/0842216beaba0163 tr, incin, steel types, are all kicking my ass

[bold geode]

I wouldn't mind it too much at some point
Maybe not right away but

[molten oasis]

They just take hits so well while I can’t even take 1 and it’s getting pretty bad

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Gambit and Dnite feel like they’re contributing nothing

[bold geode]

Hell Incineroar is probably gonna be in the game from the very start so

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

But actually yeah if the game has Pelipper you definitely run it with Mega Lucario

[dull ibex]

who did i have a convo with about champions

can we give gamefreak credit yet

[bold geode]

You run Pelipper cuz like
You give it Wide Guard so you have extra insurance against Mega Charizard Y

[rustic mountain]

dengo can be nice for tr and opposing steel (depending on team comp)

not so much for incin tho lol

[molten oasis]

Would it happen you looked at the paste?

[rustic mountain]

me

[rustic mountain]

and no

[molten oasis]

Also I’m struggling in shitlo so like, this is rough

[rustic mountain]

champions isnt out yet wat am i giving them credit for

[dull ibex]

fair

[molten oasis]

It’s like, idt Delphox is bad

[rustic mountain]

its cool its free outside the incentive of the purchasable starter pack whatever that entails

[molten oasis]

I just can’t get through incin or rilla well and it’s just making things tricky

[rustic mountain]

but i gta see how the game is first before giving any kind of credit

[rustic mountain]

its ok

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

id either pivot to something more dug based or like atleast chomp a9

[bold geode]

Also imma be the crazy person here actually
Idt Mega Kangaskhan starting out will be the #1 top guy

[molten oasis]

Oh I could totally do chomp a9

[molten oasis]

Dug based?

[rustic mountain]

dnite dengo ursaluna

[molten oasis]

Ah

[bold geode]

Making the educated guess seeing Incin will probably be in from the start like
Mega Kangaskhan gotta deal with Intimidate real hard without Power Up Punch

[fluid fiber]

Having Gambit and Indeedee makes the team a bit awkward (from someone who used them both)

[dull ibex]

nah ofc not its been nerfed alot

[molten oasis]

Maybe chomp a9, I was thinking about annihilape

[bold geode]

In a potentially low power format that probably won't have too much to delete Incineroar quickly

[rustic mountain]

real talk theres gna b atleast 2-3 former meta megas that just arent good for champions

[molten oasis]

Gives team bulk and anti incin stuff

[rustic mountain]

i think kang is one of em

apes cool

[dull ibex]

we can atleast agree the primals stay meta right?