mdb won utrecht with it
#competitive_discussion
dense latch
dull ibex
im playing too linear
thats costing me games
I need to become more flexible but im terrified of trying new things
bold geode
You really thought that was a good idea considering you're playing ON SHOWDOWN
dense latch
I need to become more flexible but im terrified of trying new things
there's really not much you're losing by trying things out
you're losing out by not figuring out what does and doesn't work
dull ibex
max hp max spdef
bold geode
Idk
I think you should keep trying it
Mirai Nala is pretty solid honestly
dense latch
who cares if you lose elo
dull ibex
is what i rock ingame
foggy lodge
Fun fact Incin has won the 3 ICs on this season
dull ibex
who cares if you lose elo
I feel like a failure for being in 10k instead of 5k
bold geode
Sir we need to like
Figure out all the spreads you have and severely update them
foggy lodge
Incin 4th worlds win is unavoidable
lofty tartan
who cares if you lose elo
People care about numbers. It's wild. ELO and cart ranking reset every month so why care about it. 
bold geode
I feel like a failure for being in 10k instead of 5k
Caring about the numbers makes you blow even harder
dull ibex
Caring about the numbers makes you blow even harder
unfortunately thats not something I can change atm
bold geode
I mean sort of yeah
dense latch
play on showdown then
foggy lodge
Remember that no one is keeping track of your losses and wins except yourself
dense latch
if you truly care about your in-game rankings just
play elsewhere
bold geode
Comes with a mentality adjustment which while it takes time can be started as soon as you want to
Never look at the numbers, look at why the numbers are that way
The numbers change according to the players changes
lofty tartan
And matchup roulette exists.
dense latch
it's fine if you want to set yourself goals using said numbers
but it feels like elo and rankings are setting you back from reaching those goals
bold geode
But worrying about the numbers genuinely is the most unhealthy thing you can do
dull ibex
oh i finally replaced taunt on urshifu
bold geode
And matchup roulette exists.
I hate to think that this exists personally as I like to cover as many MUs/lines as possible but like
Honestly if you're running into one bad MU like 10 times yeah
foggy lodge
But worrying about the numbers genuinely is the most unhealthy thing you can do
Fr
Focus on playing well and against good people to improve
bold geode
Then again like if you're losing to a bad MU that much, I feel there's something to change
foggy lodge
Not in numbers
dull ibex
tbf I have been told numerously teams to get good with one team to learn
foggy lodge
My friend was not even in 1400 elo on showdown bo3 and made top 16 at a regional
dull ibex
if im being 100% with myself I think im in a spot where im decent at vgc
but i deeply care that numers dont reflex that
lofty tartan
I hate to think that this exists personally as I like to cover as many MUs/lines...
But it DOES exist. Matchup roulette exists in any form of play you're doing here.
You can't decide what you go against next; it could be a total counter to your team. Not all things are within your control.
Your next match could be against a fringe team with weird picks. You can't control it.
foggy lodge
Restricteds formats tend to be more volatile in MU
And non restricted formats can be too I think less likely but they can be
lofty tartan
Oh absolutely. But matchup roulette is a real thing - you can plan for stuff and never see it.
foggy lodge
MU fishing also exists
That's why Wolfey wins with perish or hard TR has won tournaments
lofty tartan
I don't understand what you mean by "matchup fishing". It doesn't really state anything.
At a Regionals you're not going to be in control of what you play against and you can't duck out of the match to find something else. I don't know if you mean "fishing" here.
dense latch
i think it's easier to get influenced by numbers when you're not actively participating in irl events, in a way the only judgement of your abilities happens to be those numbers and it sucks
if you set yourself bigger goals - playing at regionals, even if it's not possible soon enough it may help feel like showdown and ingame ladder are solely pratice tools, which they are at the end of the day
molten oasis
i only care about my record
dull ibex
my record is dogshit
molten oasis
because thats how i judge how good something I use is doing
foggy lodge
At a Regionals you're not going to be in control of what you play against and yo...
I think the best word is like meta calls
lofty tartan
I think the best word is like meta calls
Yeah making a meta call has nothing to do with matchup roulette as a concept.
lofty tartan
Like a meta call is just a meta call. You're making an educated decision based on factual data.
molten oasis
I like tera ground zacian
I do too its good, took me a bit to get around to it
bold geode
But it *DOES* exist. Matchup roulette exists in any form of play you're doing h...
Right
Idk like
The reason I hate the term is cuz I remember in Reg G I saw a lot of players just use the term very loosely for a general bad MU they lost a lot and it's like brother c'mon
molten oasis
but it gives zac offensive pressure I find it lacks at times, especially into incin and tera fire korai
dull ibex
monke ill try more lunala mirai tonight if you want to watch
lofty tartan
Right
Idk like
The reason I hate the term is cuz I remember in Reg G I saw a lot...
Man people using terms loosely or incorrectly shouldn't make you dislike the term. The term is a concept - it's always neutral.
People also say they lose to RNG when they're losing to bad or loose plays.
People usually like to blame anything else rather than assess themselves.
lofty tartan
It's normal. 
molten oasis
lofty tartan
Not everyone is looking to improve. Some are just playing.
bold geode
Yeah
dull ibex
champions can't come soon enough
bold geode
thats an interesting take
Wha
molten oasis
monke the only take i hear on people complaining is "they're complaining instead of improving."
bold geode
molten oasis
I havent heard from that perspective before and it was a thought i blurted out loud
lofty tartan
Yeah I mean you're looking to get better, you're using the resources, putting in the time, and honestly just a lot of people on both ladders will never be competitive players looking to improve. Just playing a game they love
bold geode
I think I've said the take before
Idr
ACTUALLY wait no yes I did but it was with Rivals
lofty tartan
Yeah it's an evergreen concept for sure
molten oasis
ACTUALLY wait no yes I did but it was with Rivals
NOT with vgc
bold geode
Yeah just applies to quite a bit
molten oasis
i only hear the other take in vgc lol
bold geode
NOT with vgc
Actually I think I said it with Voldemort too
molten oasis
ah, maybe but
still, i like the perspective, im not looking at improving rn mostly cuz my drive for the game just, isnt there
molten oasis
dull ibex
I think I miss swords dance on zacian ngl
burns and intimidate hurt
alright I should send replays and get feedback
instead of wallowing
team im going to commit too
oh wait hands is bug tera
brave hazel
Does magic bounce work against moves that cause entry hazards ? Like the move takes damage but it still bounces the entry hazards back ?
Or example that poison pokemon the one with toxic debris ability
foggy lodge
Why are people so fucking annoying in reg H dude
Lost 3 Harc and Annihilape speed ties in a row and dude tells me with a deadface "get better"
lofty tartan
Does magic bounce work against moves that cause entry hazards ? Like the move ta...
Magic Bounce and Magic Coat affect the same list of moves.
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/coryxkenshin-job-job-application-scary-gif-46029036876859...
That's a hate crime sir
lofty tartan
If a move targets an entire side (such as entry hazard moves), if any Pokémon on that side reflects the move with Magic Coat then the whole side is unaffected (and only the first Pokémon with Magic Coat or Magic Bounce will reflect the move).
That being said, Entry Hazards are pretty bad in VGC Doubles.
bold geode
Dozo Ting Lu would like to disagree
lofty tartan
One team does not change the fact that Entry Hazards tend to be very poor in VGC.
Ting-Lu likes to stall.
Stall is not generally good in VGC.
bold geode
Nuh Uh (yuh huh)
Thank God I hate stall stuff
Mainly cuz I'm always just
Somehow weak against it? Idfk how
lofty tartan
It's just not a typically viable strategy.
Stall is a lot tougher with 4 mons on the field.
Entry Hazards are less effective in a game format that has less active switching.
cyan smelt
That guy who asked is a singles player
bold geode
Honestly the reason I hate it is cuz like
I'll play games on my lunch break and have 10 minutes wasted on an Eternatus stall team just to lose
lofty tartan
I mean do I look like a mind reader that knows what everyone in the "competitive_discussion" channel plays when a vast majority of people here are Doubles players
90% of the conversation here is Doubles. So I gave an answer
bold geode
Yeah I had to look and see who asked and that doesn't clear it up
Not like that mistake hasn't been made either
lofty tartan
I've never seen them here before in my life
bold geode
Neither
bold geode
Does magic bounce work against moves that cause entry hazards ? Like the move ta...
Also to answer for singles
I believe people just use Heavy Duty Boots for this anyways but yes it would technically except for Toxic Debris
Wait
Magic Bounce is the ability I'm not trippin right
bold geode
Ok it would but it don't affect Toxic Debris cuz Magic Bounce deflects status moves not abilities
lofty tartan
It affects a majority of Status Moves, of which Toxic Debris is not.
Toxic Debris is the exception to Magic Bounce, yes. It'll affect Toxic, Spikes, Toxic Spikes, whatever, but not Toxic Debris.
bold geode
Idk much about singles really
I knew Kingambit used to do well in BSS with Supreme Overlord but that's it
brave hazel
Also to answer for singles
I believe people just use Heavy Duty Boots for this a...
I looked it up, magic bounce only affects moves that cause entry hazards, not against ability’s such as toxic debris
But stone axe for example you take the damage but bounce the rocks back,
I only play singles, gonna assume this is a doubles only competitive channel since everyone always assumes doubles
tranquil kraken
happy worlds day y'all
bold geode
It's tomorrow Ili
lofty tartan
I only play singles, gonna assume this is a doubles only competitive channel sin...
That's correct. Most people here are doubles players, because it's the official competitive format.
brave hazel
That's correct. Most people here are doubles players, because it's the official...
Idk why it can’t be singles also
bold geode
I only play singles, gonna assume this is a doubles only competitive channel sin...
Well like
It's like probably supposed to be for both at least intentionally but like
Doubles is just so much more popular that basically damn near everyone comes from there
tranquil kraken
It's tomorrow Ili
today for me :3
lofty tartan
Because Singles isn't the official competitive format.
Arguably singles isn't very competitive either, because a majority of the game and mechanics are seemingly built around doubles.
bold geode
It's not the fact it's not for singles players either, it's just that the doubles side EASILY makes up the vast majority
brave hazel
Building a team of 6 & having the perfect synergy to keep switch out in a very switch heavy format takes a lot of skill
There’s definitely skill there
bold geode
The Smogon tiers can be pretty competitive but like in game singles? Hell nah LMAO
At least from when I played
lofty tartan
The Smogon tiers can be pretty competitive but like in game singles? Hell nah LM...
Yeah BSS is like the Wild West of "I like this"
bold geode
BSS often at times will use stuff from OU in terms of like
What's good
lofty tartan
BSS often at times will use stuff from OU in terms of like
What's good
Right and Smogon tiers are just not applicable to Singles/Doubles.
wooden steeple
"I like espathra baton pass"
lofty tartan
bold geode
"I like espathra baton pass"
Go bungee jumping
brave hazel
The Smogon tiers can be pretty competitive but like in game singles? Hell nah LM...
In game singles, all I get are proper trained teams with proper strats & good synergy, there so fun.
Of course you get the random 11 year olds with 6 legends, but taking them out with none legends, just a good trained team is super fun also. Especially when you see they disconnected
lofty tartan
Oh Baton Pass.
wooden steeple
I mean I do genuinely like espathra baton pass in reg H doubles lol
lofty tartan
Meh. Espathra gets sacked so easily by Sneasler.
wooden steeple
I've never touched bss singles maybe i should
bold geode
In game singles, all I get are proper trained teams with proper strats & good sy...
Well yeah but like
It's not like VGC where you're getting all the data from that spot
A lot of statistics and advice I've seen people give for in game singles comes from unofficial sources and play
brave hazel
Well yeah but like
It's not like VGC where you're getting all the data from that...
Nah a lot actually base there teams on strats from actual online comp players & pokemon strategy’s. But mixing it with 6 pokemon to make it even more tricker to navigate
Especially the Japanese players.
bold geode
Is there actually like
BSS people like YouTubers or whatever cuz like
I've never seen them, they're all Smogon players
lofty tartan
There are people who play Singles on Youtube but it's boring as hell.
The matches last so goddamn long.
brave hazel
Is there actually like
BSS people like YouTubers or whatever cuz like
I've neve...
Yeah of course there is.
It’s just heavily mixed. You can get like 3x boobs in a row & then get a mega sweat try hard with pokemon that have actual strats
noobs * sorry 💀💀💀💀
dense latch
well there's an idea to make singles more appealing
lofty tartan
Yeah I mean having a strategy is not synonymous with a competitive environment. Like they're not mutually exclusive.
bold geode
I've literally heard like
I've heard people say you can get better at VGC by playing randbats which sounds wild but like
You do have to adjust on the fly there often in a sense
brave hazel
I just find 6v6 way more fun,
3x3 singles & doubles is just so boring for me personally.
I’m super keen for champions tho, being able to mega & G max is gonna be hella entertaining seeing both collide
lofty tartan
I've literally heard like
I've heard people say you can get better at VGC by pla...
Randbats makes you think on your feet and asks that you have prior knowledge of at least some sets in order to do well.
lofty tartan
I just find 6v6 way more fun,
3x3 singles & doubles is just so boring for me p...
There is literally zero confirmation about Dynamax/Gmax coming back
bold geode
Yeah like hell even the singles randbats ladder teach you shit to use for VGC
lofty tartan
Literally all we've seen are Tera and Mega, and as far as we know, you cannot combine them on the same mon
brave hazel
There is literally zero confirmation about Dynamax/Gmax coming back
People saying they seen it in the trailer ? Please don’t disappoint me with this knowledge
dense latch
Randbats makes you think on your feet and asks that you have prior knowledge of ...
you can pull them up with /randbats + name of the mon at least
showdex also gives you the sets automatically iirc
bold geode
Any format with Dmax is a format I'm peacing out of
dense latch
People saying they seen it in the trailer ? Please don’t disappoint me with this...
dmax was never shown
only tera and megas
brave hazel
Gmax lapras i highly miss
lofty tartan
People saying they seen it in the trailer ? Please don’t disappoint me with this...
Your people are wrong.
brave hazel
Any format with Dmax is a format I'm peacing out of
You wasn’t a fan off d maxing ?
lofty tartan
Dynamax is a universally hated mechanic.
dense latch
tera and megas is more than enough imo dmax would make it sm worse
bold geode
You wasn’t a fan off d maxing ?
It's so dogshit
brave hazel
I liked the battle cinematics way more in sword/shield. felt like an actual battle, well as close to on a screen you could get anyways
lofty tartan
Dynamax was really the worst mechanic we've seen.
brave hazel
Damn, I loved it
dense latch
dmax made me quit
lofty tartan
You are definitely the minority there
bold geode
Well yeah cuz the SwSh vibes were actually kind of gas with the way they made the game but like even then Dynamax was so ass
lofty tartan
SwSh had a great soundtrack.
bold geode
The music
The whole system of treating battling as an actual sport
That shit I actually miss
dense latch
the stadiums were so sick
lofty tartan
Yeah those aspects were good. Dynamax can stay dead and buried.
bold geode
SwSh had a great soundtrack.
Leon's theme was so gas
dense latch
big fan of just the route themes too
lofty tartan
I liked the Gym Leader battle theme a lot.
bold geode
I love the part in Leon's theme where the whole crowd starts singing along it's like
It's so fucking peak
brave hazel
I feel like flair blitz kyrod whatever its name is & fluttermane are the only good things that come out of violet & scarlett. I don’t like Tera tbh
lofty tartan
Tera is a really solid mechanic, honestly.
bold geode
Tera is the best mechanic bar none
dense latch
tera is definitely the best competitive gimmick oat
lofty tartan
There's a LOT that has come out of the Scarlet/Violet that are competitively viable mons.
brave hazel
Extreme speed normal Tera dnight is amazing. I enjoy using that. That’s about it tho
lofty tartan
Not just Flutter Mane and what's-his-name
bold geode
You don't know Kyrod bro? Cringe
dense latch
mons like hydreigon and kommo-o could just shed those weaknesses
lofty tartan
Armarouge, Ceruledge, Flutter Mane, Iron Hands, Iron Jugulis, Iron Bundle, Brute Bonnet, Miraidon, Koriadon, Ogerpon, Terapagos... etc etc etc ad nauseum
bold geode
Annihilape
lofty tartan
Hell even Okidogi is viable.
I 100% for certain have forgotten some mons that debuted in S/V that are viable.
bold geode
Palafin
lofty tartan
Yup!
dense latch
tera has certain drawbacks too it's not like it immediately makes your pokemon twice as bulky
lofty tartan
The point is that yeah, it's not just Flutter Mane.
lofty tartan
United States, Canada Mexico Colombia Brazil Peru
The Isle of Man
dense latch
dillon
lofty tartan
I think just Yotam and Dillon?
bold geode
The Isle of Man
Take me there IMMEDIATELY
tranquil kraken
my goats i will be rooting
dense latch
I think just Yotam and Dillon?
o shit yotam's in the server? i've never seen him around that's cool
lofty tartan
I made some Points in 2025 season but not enough for an invite. Hoping 2026 season is all me 😄
bold geode
o shit yotam's in the server? i've never seen him around that's cool
Comp helper
lofty tartan
o shit yotam's in the server? i've never seen him around that's cool
Yeah I feed him shinies for his events sometimes because I have such a surplus and he's a super nice guy
bold geode
He just like
Doesn't come in here much
lofty tartan
And I attend events with him in spirit.
tranquil kraken
if there's any more competing lmk I wanna do a lil shoutout tomorrow
bold geode
Yotam is a great dude
lofty tartan
Yeah I think it's just those two, ili, but if I find any one else I'll let you know 
dense latch
He just like
Doesn't come in here much
o fair enough
i've heard nothing but good things about him
lofty tartan
Yeah Yotam is a busy guy.
bold geode
He's also old
He's Grandpa
tranquil kraken
professor oak real
lofty tartan
Pretty sure he's still younger than me 🙁
bold geode
Pretty sure he's still younger than me 🙁
I knew you were a fossil already
lofty tartan
I just turned 40. It takes longer than that to fossilize, jerk.
tranquil kraken
bold geode
I just turned 40. It takes longer than that to fossilize, jerk.
Bro could be my dad
Are you my father
Did you come back with the milk finally
foggy lodge
Are there any differences from the Toxtricitys apart from design and hidden ability
short quiver
movepool
bold geode
🤷♂️
short quiver
they have different movepools
lofty tartan
Bro could be my dad
Are you my father
Did you come back with the milk finally
I ain't your dad.
bold geode
I'm not seeing the difference
dense latch
i didn't know that lmao legit thought it was just cosmetic
foggy lodge
It's the same thing💔
lofty tartan
If I was, you wouldn't be talking to me right now.
short quiver
one can learn stuff like gearshift the other cant
dense latch
short quiver
It's the same thing💔
they learn different level up moves
foggy lodge
Wait no there are some
dense latch
amped vs lowkey
bold geode
If I was, you wouldn't be talking to me right now.
spikes milk into the ground "oh no I dropped the milk, guess I gotta go back to get more"
dense latch
they both learn the same stuff by tm tho
polar canyon
All I know is yellow gets shift gear
And that makes it a funny low tier gimmick in singles
bold geode
https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1956075854863151353?t=0Unw3qVWCKtmexcIxlscXw&s=19
Posting this here btw, a lot of links regarding Worlds
X
polar canyon
Thanks monke
cyan smelt
Reg J is pretty fun
bold geode
Thanks monke
👍
graceful scaffold
hi monke
dull ibex
https://tenor.com/view/cat-scream-scary-memes-gif-19596874
monke when do you get off work
bold geode
monke when do you get off work
I'm off today
dull ibex
I'm off today
weegeecee?
bold geode
I was probably finna play Rivals with a friend
dull ibex
😔
polar canyon
Reg J is pretty fun
It's like reg i but sometimes you see magearna
Wonder if they higher ups actually expected any major change when releasing the ruleset
red willow
Arent some people cooking with pecharunt in reg j
cyan smelt
I'm tera dark and using tr room service for caly s
I've got tools for caly s
Scarf miraidon, electric seed farig, durshifu, incin, ursaluna, pecharunt
rustic mountain
polar canyon
Pecharunt doesn't look bad it just doesn't seem like restricted level good
rustic mountain
cuz its not
cyan smelt
I think it's fun
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
polar canyon
That's enough of a reason to use it
molten oasis
uh
rustic mountain
fun and good are very different
rustic mountain
i thought u were just reg h?
cyan smelt
Pecharunt helped me win a 1 v 3 including caly shadow
molten oasis
i thought u were just reg h?
no was just an observation i had
polar canyon
What set
rustic mountain
Pecharunt helped me win a 1 v 3 including caly shadow
ok? 1 scenario doesnt equate to actual viability
cyan smelt
Poison gas, hex, venoshock, protect with room service
rustic mountain
no was just an observation i had
oh u just dting it and then saying it i was assuming u were using it
polar canyon
I'm not gonna say pecharunt is bad since the chance I eat my words is not 0 with the season being new
But like eehhh
cyan smelt
Obviously magearna and Arceus are s tier
molten oasis
oh u just dting it and then saying it i was assuming u were using it
no im not mentally insane
polar canyon
Looks like something that would be ok if it wasn't restricted
dense latch
nah there’s no way it brings the same benefit as other restricteds
rustic mountain
ive given my thoughts on mythicals for reg j already so i wont be too redundant but no mythical is good in the context of replacing a restricted w/ it
polar canyon
Obviously magearna and Arceus are s tier
I barely see arceus honestly
dense latch
still don’t get the point of reg j ngl aside from 2 mons it’s a reg i runback
rustic mountain
yea
polar canyon
still don’t get the point of reg j ngl aside from 2 mons it’s a reg i runback
I think because by now it's standard that mythicals allowed is one of the last formats
dense latch
i feel like they could’ve separated restrctions with restricteds and mythicals
rustic mountain
its weird cuz we still have events from november through january so like were gna need something to carry us over to champions. unless the next format allows lza mons and xerneas and what not
rustic mountain
i feel like they could’ve separated restrctions with restricteds and mythicals
they needed to, either make it 2 restricteds 1 mythical, 1 restricted 1 mythical or just 1 mythical per team
polar canyon
I'm honestly starting to think the chance lza has online battles is not 0
rustic mountain
p sure its single player
polar canyon
I think so too but they never stated it did they
I'm just thinking that because otherwise competitive just gets stale for the rest of the year after worlds
Unless they give us older rulesets every so often or something
lean ridge
Isn’t LZA real time battling? Even if there was online play it wouldn’t be linked to vgc I don’t think
dense latch
reg j just seems like an inconvenience to me
rustic mountain
I think so too but they never stated it did they
not outright but the battle mechanics theyve displayed dont make me think thatd be a vgc experience lol
rustic mountain
Isn’t LZA real time battling? Even if there was online play it wouldn’t be linke...
polar canyon
Definitely not vgc that I know
I guess they don't have to make up for lack of updates with a new game if we already got tcg and go
dense latch
i wonder if the circuit will shift to champions mid season or after worlds 2026
rustic mountain
reg j just seems like an inconvenience to me
craziest part is the overall playerbase wouldve been more cool having reg h back on cart ladder
polar canyon
I wouldn't bet on worlds being sv again next year
rustic mountain
i wonder if the circuit will shift to champions mid season or after worlds 2026
i think itll be used to segway us into gen 10 at the end of 2026 so i think well have it for most of the year including worlds
dense latch
yea reg h was a huge success for those wanting to use more niche mons which in large part are the newer players
feels like a missed opportunity
rustic mountain
also just a good format
dense latch
exactly
rustic mountain
more exploration
molten oasis
good format, better because its not reg i
rustic mountain
lol
foggy lodge
Question
polar canyon
Maybe I'm just pulling theories out of nowhere but I wonder if rushing games like they do is not only because of greed but also so competitive stay fresh and champions gives them an opportunity to spend longer until new generations as vgc migrates out of the main games
foggy lodge
How deep did my sanity go if Vivillon has hit the teambuilder
dense latch
How deep did my sanity go if Vivillon has hit the teambuilder
lowkey decent in reg h
polar canyon
How deep did my sanity go if Vivillon has hit the teambuilder
Could be worse
Oh reg h
molten oasis
Vivi Chomp was a thinkg max
foggy lodge
I know it has usage but I think it was in very early meta
dense latch
those chomp vivillon teams are pretty good
foggy lodge
But idk it really feels like it fits well in this team
dense latch
whats the team
foggy lodge
cyan smelt
Could be worse, I want to try telepathy rabsca with explosion choice band galvanise alolan golem
polar canyon
Yo huge electabuzz
foggy lodge
I wanted something that could outspeed and threaten fighting types
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/6c3da6d47c8d1fda
lol i was just running a similar team
i had volc over vivillon before just transitioning to justin tang’s toronto team
rustic mountain
Maybe I'm just pulling theories out of nowhere but I wonder if rushing games lik...
id hope champions is more about competitive learning and accessibility as no mainline game focuses on it really outside some small parts of dlc or post game content thats minimal without much direction what your using it for. gives them a chance to have an outlet to give said explanations and understanding of the basics of vgc, and also gives already current vgc players the ability to practice or test things out before fully making them in the actual mainline games
dense latch
grassy seed dengo is peak reg h
polar canyon
id hope champions is more about competitive learning and accessibility as no mai...
So like official showdown
foggy lodge
Ninetales could also work
dull ibex
So like official showdown
yes
foggy lodge
But it doesn't do enough damage
molten oasis
specs
foggy lodge
Unless I go specs maybe I have to test it
rustic mountain
So like official showdown
thats the hope, seems not as user friendly tho from what weve been shown
dense latch
blizzard spam 🔛 🔝
molten oasis
specs a9 is fun
dull ibex
anyone wanna vc and do some showdown stuff?
foggy lodge
I've been into this 5 mons since late reg H 1
rustic mountain
i dont have to play sd to utilize its resources, i can just build watever wenever
polar canyon
thats the hope, seems not as user friendly tho from what weve been shown
Buy our premium gold exclusive seasonal pass so you can get more points to spend on unlocking hidden abilities and natures
foggy lodge
I really think is a strong core and I haven't seen many people use this exact same 5
rustic mountain
champions makes u have to grind for in game currency which already kills the instant accessibility sd offers
foggy lodge
So maybe I have something strong here lol
dull ibex
champions makes u have to grind for in game currency which already kills the ins...
but it grants a whole new audience accessibility to competitive as a concept being multiplat
rustic mountain
Buy our premium gold exclusive seasonal pass so you can get more points to spend...
its not even buying champions doesnt seem to have micro transactions but time is still a resource that they are asking people to invest into it to then be able to utilize the games resources
dull ibex
champions could be a net good for the scene
polar canyon
its not even buying champions doesnt seem to have micro transactions but time is...
Wonder how they'd make money with it without microtransactions
dull ibex
Wonder how they'd make money with it without microtransactions
trainer cosmetics.
rustic mountain
theyll charge for the game itself im sure
dull ibex
it'll have mtx just not on the mons
jade dust
Worlds begins tomorrow right?
polar canyon
You're right they never mentioned if the game is free
foggy lodge
dense latch
idk if the unite route would work for champions
dull ibex
theyll charge for the game itself im sure
I don't agree actually I think its a free game with mtx like unite where its all cosmetics for the most part
dense latch
i’ll gladly pay for the game
polar canyon
Specs misty terrain goes crazy
foggy lodge
I need haze I think because otherwise Dozo seems unwinnable
dull ibex
if it is paid its not going to be 60-70
foggy lodge
Specs misty terrain goes crazy
I ain't letting Ursaluna play
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/dfc5b58c1dc6c975
maxi how fast are you running your dengo btw
dull ibex
probably 10-20
polar canyon
idk if the unite route would work for champions
Absolutely not but I wouldn't be surprised if they do it anyways
dense latch
im still not sure about mine
foggy lodge
maxi how fast are you running your dengo btw
hmmm idk
jade dust
I need haze I think because otherwise Dozo seems unwinnable
Or clear smog
rustic mountain
but it grants a whole new audience accessibility to competitive as a concept bei...
it can, but is it sustained engagement? thats why the details of what im mentioning matter, its cool to get people interested off rip but depending on how things are structured i dont see how itd be something comp players are going to want to use to play if it requires them to keep playing to then change evs and stuff over something like sd where its complete free flow of what u can choose to do (within a formats parameters)
dense latch
mine is crazy slow rn
like 12 speed evs
foggy lodge
Lol
dull ibex
it can, but is it sustained engagement? thats why the details of what im mention...
it should have been completely open and free like showdown imo
rustic mountain
i agree
dense latch
drum beating and icy wind kindaa offsets it
polar canyon
Imagine if they pull something like they did with unite, and when restricted legend seasons start they make all the good restricteds inaccessible for f2p players for the first month of the season
rustic mountain
they should be fine losing money to build the comp scene
polar canyon
Pay us to play cir early
dull ibex
I know it is im not stupid but still
rustic mountain
and they really wouldnt be losing money cuz they make so much
dull ibex
also if this takes over the comp scene they have ALOT more freedom on the mainline games
dense latch
they’d get executed
polar canyon
They're never dropping turn based
rustic mountain
ahh i see what ur getting at
dull ibex
no they wouldn't
rustic mountain
but yea idt they change that
dull ibex
they already are with legends
foggy lodge
They have their own series with legends now
polar canyon
It's like the biggest staple of mainline games
dull ibex
and no legends isnt a spinoff
rustic mountain
not for like the usual mainline games, i think for legends games its fine to vary the battle styles
dense latch
they already are with legends
yea so what’s the need to put it in the mainline games
polar canyon
I think the entire point of legends mechanically is experimenting with non turn based mechanics
dull ibex
yea so what’s the need to put it in the mainline games
i siad if they want to
polar canyon
Third legends game could be a real time strategy game for all we know
dull ibex
oh i didnt say that
rustic mountain
i think the issue with changing it in the normal mainline is its too jarring/contrasting to the vgc scene people wont really be as connected or care as much
dull ibex
I meant if they want too expirement they can
dense latch
they have
foggy lodge
Hmm I think I have enough anti Amoonguss shit in this team
dull ibex
you are missing my point imo
dull ibex
the comp scene is tethering them to the current systems imo
polar canyon
I think they're never changing it in mainline because when someone mentions pokemon people will either think of pikachu or think of turn based battle game
dull ibex
thats fair
polar canyon
Turn based is linked to what pokemon is
dense latch
the comp scene is tethering them to the current systems imo
i disagree, like tree said competitive is an afterthought to them
dull ibex
they can alsao do alot more with turn based if comp is tied to champions
they can expirement with styles or a persona esk system
rustic mountain
if im playing the main game and its real time combat then i see the comp scene and its turn based, how the hell am i going to really resonate or be interested in something i am not actively experiencing myself to see the further level of enjoyment i can take it to? thats like the main bridging between casual and competitive u need some semblance of similarity for people to see what can be done with what theyve been given
dull ibex
if im playing the main game and its real time combat then i see the comp scene a...
ah fair I didnt consider that
dense latch
and taking away the turn based mechanics would break the link bringing casual players to comp
foggy lodge
if im playing the main game and its real time combat then i see the comp scene a...
That's a very good way to see it
Probably all of us got into competitive because it was like "serious" pokemon
Or just a new way to play the game we already are familiarized with
dull ibex
I got into comp because pokemon has a satisfyingly complex battle system and I love pokemon as a series
polar canyon
Probably all of us got into competitive because it was like "serious" pokemon
I got into competitive because I grew up with pokemon and wanted to play with other people
foggy lodge
Relegating competitive to exclusively like this niche game spin off would even hurt more the comp scene imo
dull ibex
Relegating competitive to exclusively like this niche game spin off would even h...
no it wouldn't
its more accessible then the mainline games if its cheap and on mobile
rustic mountain
it was always something i had wanted for pokemon wen i was younger, almost imitating the anime and then i fell off pokemon for a minute, coming back years later seeing an actual comp scene had been and was still a thing? i was hyped
foggy lodge
Okay and how do people hook up with it
dense latch
again it just destroys the bridge between mainline and competitive battling
dull ibex
Okay and how do people hook up with it
probably a friend system
polar canyon
I think a fair comparison is there's no pokemon game like unite and it's a strictly competitive game, so it's sort of a niche other option for pvp pokemon or a more expensive league
rustic mountain
then further seeing the intricacies of competitive and how far it went i was like oh yea this is great
polar canyon
I don't want vgc to be like unite
rustic mountain
unite sucks
dull ibex
vgc wouldn't be like unite
polar canyon
Because mainline is staying turn based
dull ibex
ok if mainline is an afterthought why are they making this game btw
sorry if comp is an afterthought
dense latch
also then doesn’t vgc just kinda turn into pokken but with 6 mons
polar canyon
ok if mainline is an afterthought why are they making this game btw
Probably because of showdowns success I guess
polar canyon
Yeah it's surprising it took them so long
dull ibex
they clearly care about comp enough to grow it
foggy lodge
ok if mainline is an afterthought why are they making this game btw
Easier way to experience competitive
rustic mountain
then how is comp an afterthought
its been an afterthought
dense latch
if it hadn’t been an afterthought it wouldn’t have taken this long
it’s objectively not more important than the actual mainline games
dull ibex
of course not
polar canyon
Comp is an afterthought in the sense it's not what they keep in mind when designing things for new mainline games it feels
dull ibex
but being less important then pve doesnt make it an afterthought imo
its alot less important then pve don't get me wrong
but companies don't usually care about afterthought additions
polar canyon
Being an afterthought doesn't mean it's not a thought
It is a thought just not a beforethought or a duringthought
dull ibex
An "afterthought" is a thought, idea, or action that is considered or added later, after something else has already been done or decided.
rustic mountain
doesnt mean it will be going forward but like for all intent and purposes its definitely taken a backseat big time from them and their focus for most of the time pokemons existed. we are literally getting a battle simulator thats more in line with what it shouldve been all along (stadium and revolution as the other "attempts") 30 years into the franchises life
dull ibex
I think its not one anymore
hasn't been since swsh imo
I can agree earlier in pokemon it was one
sorry if my points aren't clear
rustic mountain
the only reasons its grown since swsh is because of grassroot efforts by creators to give people reason to get interested or some knowledge about vgc, because they sure as hell were not getting it in the games
dull ibex
thats fair enough
foggy lodge
VGC is still a niche part of the game
dull ibex
can we atleast agree going fowards its not an afterthought?
rustic mountain
idk man like well see haha
lean ridge
Kinda off topic srry but does worlds start tmrw and if so what time?
dull ibex
it does depend on champions
rustic mountain
im not gna just hand it to them now with the promise of champions
foggy lodge
Kinda off topic srry but does worlds start tmrw and if so what time?
Starts in like 14 hours
dull ibex
im not gna just hand it to them now with the promise of champions
no thats fair
lean ridge
Appreciate it ty
polar canyon
An "afterthought" is a thought, idea, or action that is considered or added late...
Imo it's an afterthought in the sense that their main priority is making a """"good"""" single player game and after that they do they just maybe tweak a few things and add any features that cater to competitive, I'm not working there so of course I might be wrong but it just feels designed that way
rustic mountain
Kinda off topic srry but does worlds start tmrw and if so what time?
not off topic at all dude worlds is the biggest event of the year 🫡 (for vgc)
dull ibex
Imo it's an afterthought in the sense that their main priority is making a """"g...
to me an afterthought is like doom 2016 multiplayer
something seemingly just tacks on and not at all a focus
dull ibex
Ig that's fair
polar canyon
I'm gonna be different and say zama
foggy lodge
My bet is on Miraidon
dense latch
mirai
rustic mountain
I'm gonna be different and say zama
if zama wins, so will likely mirai or csr tho lol
polar canyon
Well I guess
molten oasis
so is mirai winning worlds or csr
I'm banking on mirai
dense latch
worlds will end with a scarf miraidon outspeeding and OHKOing a csr
molten oasis
and always coping zacian
polar canyon
and always coping zacian
Sorry bro
foggy lodge
Scarf Miraidon has a chance to win worlds
dense latch
kinda sad that iron hands prob won't get his threepeat
vestal vortex
Hello and sorry if I interrupt
I'm doing some PvP matches for the first time in... Probably more than one year, and first with the S/V rules.
I have 3 teams and I suck in all of them
I'm practicing in Showdown, OU
rustic mountain
worlds will end with a scarf miraidon outspeeding and OHKOing a csr
molten oasis
waht a call
polar canyon
Hello ou player
rustic mountain
Hello and sorry if I interrupt
I'm doing some PvP matches for the first time in...
we dont really do singles here
polar canyon
I forgot how to give advice tree help
rustic mountain
id recommend joining the smogon server
foggy lodge
What move do y'all think will end worlds
dense latch
drift
vestal vortex
we dont really do singles here
Nono, in Doubles
Sorry if I wasn't clear
foggy lodge
My bet is moongeist beam
rustic mountain
What move do y'all think will end worlds
incin fake out on tera dark csr on 2 hp
dense latch
or maybe something like life orb chip on csr knocking it out
polar canyon
If you're gonna practice doubles a good idea might be practice in the vgc formats
There's that doc full of guides that always gets brought up
rustic mountain
Nono, in Doubles
Sorry if I wasn't clear
ur good i mostly think of ou as singles otherwise i think its dou
foggy lodge
I think the top 4 duos going into worlds are
rustic mountain
still tho dou is a community based format we mostly are vgc here id still say smogon is a better bet
dense latch
cant wait to see what players cooked up within 24 hours of the tournament
foggy lodge
- MiraiNala
- Zama CSR
- Mirai CIR
- Koraidon CSR
rustic mountain
cant wait to see what players cooked up within 24 hours of the tournament
man if u dont know wat ur using by earlier today ur cooked
vestal vortex
I was trying to not use restricteds and do creative stuff but, ahhh or I'm extremely bad or the scene is made to go OP or die.
foggy lodge
cant wait to see what players cooked up within 24 hours of the tournament
They should send side quests on twitter and we mid vgc players should have to give them teams
dense latch
mdb said he locked a team he has 0 games with but idk if i should believe it considering the pultsneasler incidents in reg h
molten oasis
I think there was someone who made a post who said smth along the lines of "i dont think half the players even have teams ready" or smth like that
or practice with teams
rustic mountain
I think there was someone who made a post who said smth along the lines of "i do...
thats just been a massive troll spree from the community
foggy lodge
Side quest #14 give Jeudy a team with Miraidon and Lunala
molten oasis
makes sense
polar canyon
I was trying to not use restricteds and do creative stuff but, ahhh or I'm extre...
A lot of people hit that wall sometimes, unfortunately you have to realize that in restricted regulations you're kinda just gonna lose without them, but you also can realize that you can still use them and be creative
rustic mountain
nobody who says they dont have a team doesnt actually not have a team
foggy lodge
I mean I think there are some who don't but pretty likely that a lot of them just lied to keep the meme
rustic mountain
not to say they arent maybe deciding between items/moves etc but like they definitely have more then an idea on what it is they are bringing
dense latch
yea it was prob real at some time but just got turned into a joke by the end
polar canyon
You also need to have a good bit of practice if you want to be both creative and good, so like, aiming for being more experienced at the game before trying to be more creative isn't a terrible idea
rustic mountain
for sure
buoyant marlin
Is 220/0/16/200/4/68 a good EV spread for Lunala? Wonder if i should reset it to do it again
foggy lodge
What is your Nala's item
buoyant marlin
Electric Seed
polar canyon
I was trying to not use restricteds and do creative stuff but, ahhh or I'm extre...
Creativity sometimes can not come to what restricteds you use, or even the way you're using the popular ones
foggy lodge
I think you should have more bulk on defenses
buoyant marlin
With Miraidon/Grimsnarl/Ursaluna (sometime Incin instead of Grim)
vestal vortex
A lot of people hit that wall sometimes, unfortunately you have to realize that ...
I can see that, it's just sad.
I tried an Anger Point build, hitting my own pokemon with a crit. I tried with a rain dance team. And I tried with a Ghost Curse + Arena Trap team (probably the worst idea but I thought It would be fun).
Again with not restricteds, and I got stomped
foggy lodge
Mainly physical defense to get the most of the boost
foggy lodge
mdb said he locked a team he has 0 games with but idk if i should believe it con...
That's a lie
buoyant marlin
I had 132 HP / 172 Def / 180 SpA / 12 SpD / 12 Spe before
foggy lodge
He is bringing his electric sandwich team 100%
polar canyon
I can see that, it's just sad.
I tried an Anger Point build, hitting my own pok...
If you're dead set on playing with no restricteds and want to play a vgc format, regulation h is available on showdown though just not in actual scarlet and violet games
That one has no legendaries
foggy lodge
I had 132 HP / 172 Def / 180 SpA / 12 SpD / 12 Spe before
Yeah I think this is the spread of the Tangs team
vestal vortex
If you're dead set on playing with no restricteds and want to play a vgc format,...
Nono, it's just a "I was doing this"
I could use restricteds, but I just thought it was... Not fun. But I think it's necessary
foggy lodge
I think its better for this type of Lunala which is more meant to like stay on the field doing positive damage trades and supporting
polar canyon
Nono, it's just a "I was doing this"
I could use restricteds, but I just thought...
I mean have you tried it or does it just not look fun?
You never know until you try it
And using them doesn't make you uncreative
buoyant marlin
I actually have Tera Elec on Miraidon (Assault Vest) but wondered if i should switch for tera fairy, i really like to have some bulk AND be able to do consequent damage
In the same team as the Lunala
vestal vortex
I mean have you tried it or does it just not look fun?
I just think it
I have a stupid thought of "I don't want to be like the others"
But I like a lot of restricteds, I just have that feeling of "if I win, am I winning? Or are just the stats of my pokemon winning?"
polar canyon
What's a cool example on a creative thing on a team that uses common legendaries and builds
There's a bunch of that
vestal vortex
But I love certain restricteds, like Lunala or Pheromosa or Dialga, even the new ones in Violet
polar canyon
I think it just comes to what you see as being different or special if you want to play in fun or creative ways for fun
foggy lodge
I just think it
I have a stupid thought of "I don't want to be like the others"
...
No one is using bad mons
We are all in the same playing field so I wouldn't encourage that thought too much
polar canyon
But I love certain restricteds, like Lunala or Pheromosa or Dialga, even the new...
Hey lunala miraidon is really solid
dense latch
He is bringing his electric sandwich team 100%
no way he doesn't
vestal vortex
I think it just comes to what you see as being different or special if you want ...
I want to be creative, the fun part for me just comes in "I don't just want to do the meta"
Like just boost my attack and sweep or something
And if I do I like it to be creative, again, like Anger Point
polar canyon
I'm sympathizing with the thought because like back in swsh I was also thinking like that and it was kinda detrimental as a beginner and made me not improve
vestal vortex
I'm so down to use restricteds as long as I find a fun way to use them, creative ways.
. . .
Or just use walls, I like walls, like Toxapex, I like being annoying
solid frigate
the only way to actually play niche stuff its how you determine their Niche
foggy lodge
Niche works in competitive
polar canyon
One of my favorite mons to run this season is electabuzz, it feels special enough to me even if I'm playing a team with the 5 most used meta mons and electabuzz
foggy lodge
Off meta teams have done good but I think one part is also knowing what you are playing against and that sooner or later you'll have to use a super common mon
polar canyon
That's still a fun twist I think and imo a twist that actually works pretty well
foggy lodge
People don't appreciate mons like Amoonguss or Incin enough
buoyant marlin
Raichu is unusual but with his ability against miraidon/raging bolt its really good
foggy lodge
Whole strategies would fall apart and don't have any type of viability if it wasn't for them
polar canyon
I think one of the biggest points to state is, you also need experience with the game and with the format if you want a better chance at coming up with something creative with it
Something creative that's consistent I mean
vestal vortex
I understand.
I just don't want to use the 1 strategy that it's OP
I'm down using restraints
You all seem like you know quite a bit (lot) more than me, do you have any team that has been very fun for you?
foggy lodge
Creativity is recompensed in competitive
dense latch
I understand.
I just don't want to use the **1** strategy that it's OP
I'm down ...
depends on the format
reg i i really liked calyrex ice miraidon with quiver dance volcarona
dense latch
in reg h (no legendaries no paradox pokemon) i've enjoyed balance cores like gholdengo rillaboom sneasler dragonite
foggy lodge
In reg H this team (somehow) demonstrated to be good and it fits your criteria I think https://pokepast.es/1966bcdb492a847f
polar canyon
Having an original personal experience can also come down to how you play a team
foggy lodge
@dense latch is this the meta call
polar canyon
If you look at it like other competitive games it's like
Everyone in chess is just playing the same meta loadout
You can still be creative in chess
vestal vortex
Okay I like the analogy
polar canyon
I think
dense latch
<@689848760909561965> is this the meta call
yes this is winning pittsburgh 1000%
foggy lodge
Good
I am getting top 1 on ladder with this team
Erik do you want to work with the dm group for any GCs
I think we can make a strong team
vestal vortex
I'll try a way to be creative with the restricteds, again, I like being annoying so I'll look for a wall based team
That's why I tried to use Ghost Curse + Arena Trap (didn't work)
dense latch
Erik do you want to work with the dm group for any GCs
im down honestly
polar canyon
I'll try a way to be creative with the restricteds, again, I like being annoying...
Stalling in the current restricted format is gonna be pretty tough but that's not the only way to be annoying
dense latch
next season i'm actually going to be able to play in regionals and stuff bc i graduate in december
and have like 8 months of freedom after that
foggy lodge
Pog
polar canyon
I'll try a way to be creative with the restricteds, again, I like being annoying...
Also the version of that that works is perish song+ shadow tag/arena trap but that needs some skill to pull off well in practice
foggy lodge
I'll see if I can
polar canyon
The wolfey special
foggy lodge
My goal is someday winning a GC
vestal vortex
Also the version of that that works is perish song+ shadow tag/arena trap but th...
Noted, I'll try that with my friends (?)
foggy lodge
Its super hard but considering I don't think I have too much time to play or go around online is the best way
vestal vortex
Stalling in the current restricted format is gonna be pretty tough but that's no...
Any recommendations on where to look for that, or where to start?
dense latch
I'll see if I can
i still kinda feel out of place there bc i don't know anyone but you but they're pretty nice ppl from what i can see
polar canyon
Any recommendations on where to look for that, or where to start?
I know you just mentioned not using meta but I'd recommend just playing with meta teams first, like straight up just take finished good teams and play a lot with it, because that way you'll get way more used to what exactly you're fighting against and what to expect, and you'll be more capable of coming up with good ideas for it
foggy lodge
i still kinda feel out of place there bc i don't know anyone but you but they're...
You can maybe even meet Val and Fan at the Lima special event lol
They are going there
They are super nice people so dw
polar canyon
I'm probably not the best person to get advice from since I'm not actually like really that good at the game
I'm only good compared to casuals lol
brave hazel
Thunder wave, parting shot grimsnarl so good in singles. Such good team disruption
vestal vortex
I know you just mentioned not using meta but I'd recommend just playing with met...
Alright, I'll try that then.
Still, thank you all.
gentle cragBOT
Alright, I'll try that then.
Still, thank you all.
sucurmint has given 1 Gen Rep to campfire__
polar canyon
I mean you gotta know where to get teams from too
polar canyon
Alright, I'll try that then.
Still, thank you all.
And know what role each guy plays in the team before just jumping into games
gentle cragBOT
Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:
https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)
https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)
https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)
https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)
https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)
https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams
https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon
There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC
mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)
polar canyon
This thing @vestal vortex
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be linking this text wall since I'm not one of the cool guy comp staff
But it has a lot of useful things for learning listed
dense latch
how do you do the embed thing btw
polar canyon
Copy message link
dense latch
sometimes the helpers aren't here so im guessing it's fine for others to do it
gentle cragBOT
eriksp (ID 689848760909561965)
foggy lodge
dense latch
where will it hit
molten oasis
you cant escape incineroar lol
forest arrow
molten oasis
or the bears
foggy lodge
Or the puffballs
polar canyon
It would be really funny if wolfe just wins with perish trap
I mean it would be kinda boring but that's what would make it really funny
I hope that's what he's doing and he wins
cyan smelt
Someone is salty
next pasture
I made some progress today
Although, I did kinda lose to an Oinkolone, but I got outplayed which I’m not even mad about
Regardless, I’m learning and determined to keep going with Sneasler and Lugia
near crag
do you submit iron head or behemoth blade in rk9?
molten oasis
iron head
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2421938304-g5m4jq44vqd2n1i3aqjf21r2uh1qf84pw always satisfying beating people higher rank 
also excuse the elo suprisingly rusty for being on hiatus only a few months
molten oasis
few months is a long time
rustic mountain
yea
just a bit of adjusting, starting to feel like im getting back into the swing of things
after starting 8-7 ive gone 13-3
molten oasis
much better lol
graceful scaffold
someone needs to motivate me to finally try casual competetive pokemon lol
i should motivate myself :scdie:
waxen dock
do you submit iron head or behemoth blade in rk9?
I think you should put the weak zacian and iron head
brave hazel
In singles, flame orb milotic is actually such a good wall physically
With scald pressure with a fairly high burn potential
serene sequoia
someone needs to motivate me to finally try casual competetive pokemon lol
just go on showdown either random battles you’ll have a blast and its a good way to begin competitive playing
lean ridge
Is there a database with all the world’s teams when the tournament starts?
I’m curious to see what the teams look like
bold geode
Less than 3 hours until Worlds y'all
stone trellis
It's less than 2 hours.
stone trellis
Oh, you're right.
So I'll have to wait until 7 PM for the good shit to begin.
And judging by their standard schedule, they'll be done by 2 AM.
dull ibex
Less than 3 hours until Worlds y'all
You watching?
chrome knot
@bold geode im in cst now
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> im in cst now
bold geode
You watching?
Imma try to watch
dull ibex
Maybe Max Max isn't good enough for ursaluna 🤔
foggy lodge
It isn't
stray escarp
is it normal that I can't use magearna in ranked doubles ?
reef marsh
Reg J isnt out yet
rose stump
Thanks for the love @tranquil kraken
gentle cragBOT
Thanks for the love <@248945583874768905>
yotam has given 1 Gen Rep to ongepast
tranquil kraken
No problem brotha, best of luck I’ll be watching and sending love! 
reef marsh
Thanks for the love <@248945583874768905>
Best of luck dude
Ofc i dont know you personally but i know how impressive of a feat that is
So yea congrats dude, good luck
graceful scaffold
Good luck have fun competitors :)
next stump
foggy lodge
Good luck gang
reef marsh
stone trellis
when does it come out ?
September 1st.
next stump
Thank you!
knotty briar
Thank you!
Good luck at worlds
Hope you go far!
stone trellis
Go, Dillon! Win Worlds and make the server proud!
torn cove
hii is there a site i can check what matches will be happening in round 1?
stone trellis
No idea.
next stump
hii is there a site i can check what matches will be happening in round 1?
check the pins
the live roster will tell you in about 2 gours
hours
graceful scaffold
Omg is that wolfey!?!?!
torn cove
yeah mb i just found it lmao
torn cove
Omg is that wolfey!?!?!
hate to burst your bubble,,,,, 
graceful scaffold
No way your so true and real
queen frigate
Good luck! :)
bold geode
Thanks for the love <@248945583874768905>
Get em Yotam, you got this
bold geode
the live roster will tell you in about 2 gours
Best of luck Dillon
rose stump
hii is there a site i can check what matches will be happening in round 1?
I’ll try to remember to post a pairings link
It’s not live yet
torn cove
I’ll try to remember to post a pairings link
thank you!! also best of luck!!! 
gentle cragBOT
thank you!! also best of luck!!! <:Solido7:1018240189610590289>
ryanberries has given 1 Gen Rep to yotam
bold geode
I’ll try to remember to post a pairings link
Have a link to the pairings in pins here
They're probably not up yet still but y'know
rose stump
Oh great 👍
bold geode
#competitive_discussion message
Anyone who needs any info for today it's all right here
gentle cragBOT
https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1956075854863151353?t=0Unw3qVWCKtmexcIxlscXw&s=19
Posting this here btw, a lot of links regarding Worlds
X
dollarmonke (ID 817628066020065280)
bold geode
@foggy lodge you keeping up with the side stream at all?
foggy lodge
I'm gonna be an Ipad kid and have both streams
bold geode
I'm gonna be an Ipad kid and have both streams
You lick that screen good kid
stone trellis
foggy lodge
stone trellis
Did he qualify?
lime dew
@rose stump @next stump GOOD LUCK YOU TWO!!! 
rose stump
🫡
pulsar cloak
I'm gonna be an Ipad kid and have both streams
So real
naive drift
Anyone have good team suggestions for Skeledirge for casual in game? And also I’ll be trying to use Skeledirge on pvp singles idk what format is currently
cold marten
I don't do competitive play but wanted to know which eeveelutions were best with their hitting ability like the top four or five
stone trellis
The stream has started.
stone trellis
I'm so hyped since this is my first ever time watching Worlds play out live.
bold geode
I LOVE POKEMON
foggy lodge
Kinugawa vs Yuxiang
bold geode
Bruh the fucking opening ceremony starts at 11 I'm definitely missing shit
lofty forum
Best tera type for zamazenta?
foggy lodge
Dragon/water/ghost/grass
bold geode
Depends on the team
stone trellis
Riopaser vs Paul Ruiz
2018 world champion Paul Ruiz?
bold geode
But those are your options there
foggy lodge
Yes
bold geode
Anyways
Chat
Pray that I don't work outside today
lofty forum
Depends on the team
I'm running a chien pao, CSR, amoonguss team
foggy lodge
I think the best there is dragon
bold geode
I'd say Dragon prolly but Water is also good
foggy lodge
If you want a weird tech tera fire Zama helps into the Koraidon Flutter MU
But I don't think is very good lol
bold geode
Max does the iPad taste good buddy
lofty forum
Any ideas on how to quickly farm dragon tera shards? 😅
solid frigate
Max does the iPad taste good buddy
lol
bold geode
Do you have DLC or no
bold geode
So you have two options
- Gamble in the machine in the League Club room
- Grind raids
That's really it LMAO
bold geode
IKER
Also once again like to remind everyone lurking or in the chat rn wanting to follow along with the 2025 Pokemon World Championships that all the information you can need is in the pins of this channel
bold geode
Oh Cicciot vs Darsh
Gonna have the fucking VGC equivalent of ragebait Spider-Man
foggy lodge
rustic mountain
every1 able to watch this weekend enjoy 🫡 gna try and catch some games wen i can
chrome knot
waow
foggy lodge
Porygon2 not number 1? 😔
chrome knot
based off %use to regionals ive attended
bold geode
based off %use to regionals ive attended
Hai stinky
chrome knot
gm
bold geode
You woke up at 11?
foggy lodge
CHAPPEL ROAN IN ANAHEIM???
bold geode
Damn
chrome knot
LMFAOOOOO
bold geode
Unlucky for Emma
chrome knot
why unlucky?
bold geode
I wouldn't wanna be awake at that time
bold geode
I see
That's nice
stone trellis
Justin Tang got a team after all.
stone trellis
Paul Ruiz is the guy who won in 2018, right?
foggy lodge
yes
stone trellis
Some guy in chat is talking about some "Wolfe is washed and hasn't won in a decade".
lean ridge
I feel like we will be seeing a lot of this over the weekend
foggy lodge
RILEY VS JUANFI
foggy lodge
I feel like we will be seeing a lot of this over the weekend
Tera fairy zama les goo
knotty briar
Luca Ceribelli, Yuta Ishigaki, Marco Silva, Shohei Kimura, and the legendary Wolfe Glick is who I've got an eye on
stone trellis
Luca Ceribelli, Yuta Ishigaki, Marco Silva, Shohei Kimura, and the legendary Wol...
Shohei, Marco and Wolfe better be at the top four.
lean ridge
Imprison CIR 
stone trellis
Imprison CIR <:bigeyessweat:829545769760849981>
The wildest tech of all time.
And Leech Seed too?
foggy lodge
he switched chi yu for landorus
lean ridge
Is it meant to shut down other CIR or to stop protects?
knotty briar
Imprison CIR <:bigeyessweat:829545769760849981>
I fought one the other day and it was SO CRINGE
stone trellis
Is it meant to shut down other CIR or to stop protects?
Both.
foggy lodge
Is it meant to shut down other CIR or to stop protects?
its not tr cir?
lean ridge
I seee
stone trellis
its not tr cir?
It's Glacial, Leech Seed, Imprison and Protect.
foggy lodge
but yeah imprison was common in reg g to wall opposing cirs
no tr is crazy
complete raid boss cir
stone trellis
It's defo fast CIR.
foggy lodge
usually imprison drops protect
bold geode
So immediately I might eat my words for Korai CIR
stone trellis
So immediately I might eat my words for Korai CIR
?
knotty briar
It begins!
bold geode
Eh these teams aren't groundbreaking but not bad
stone trellis
Just Urshifu.
foggy lodge
audio died lmfao
stone trellis
I don't see any Pokemon, all I'm seeing is a man from Ecuador reading a book.
wanton veldt
@rose stump @next stump good luck ! Have fun ! 😊
foggy lodge
paul wins game 1
stone trellis
I don't see any Pokemon, all I'm seeing is a man from Ecuador reading a book.
^
It's in the name.
knotty briar
That crit definitely mattered
stone trellis
Crits matter.
foggy lodge
it was worse for paul to get that crit lol
inci would have lived on very little hp and die to astral and give calyrex another boost
knotty briar
Incineroar would have been able to provide fake out pressure if it lived
foggy lodge
the thing is fake out doesn't get you anywhere there
knotty briar
Fake out CSR and CIR would have had a clean kill
bold geode
Quick question
What happened on the last turn
Did Whims set TW or was Shadow faster naturally
knotty briar
CSR was naturally faster
stone trellis
Quick question
What happened on the last turn
Did Whims set TW or was Shadow fa...
Shadow Rider reaches 222.
Koraidon reaches 205.
You do the math.
bold geode
Shadow Rider reaches 222.
Paul could be Modest
lean ridge
Fake out CSR and CIR would have had a clean kill
Couldn’t he just double protect on the fake out turn?
foggy lodge
yes because every single csr is 222 and every single koraidon is 205
stone trellis
Paul could be Modest
I don't think a good player would bring it.
bold geode
People were using it before Worlds
foggy lodge
except a lot are😭
bold geode
I think it's ass but like
On Paul's team it makes sense
stone trellis
Regardless, I doubt this Koraidon would run Jolly, so it might not be able to outspeed CSR anyway.
strange juniper
i was wondering why tf the stream was muted
foggy lodge
he has whimsicott and scarf miraidon + set up csr
strange juniper
why is youtube muted for this one 
knotty briar
It's nasty plot CSR so it's most likely timid
bold geode
he has whimsicott and scarf miraidon + set up csr
And it's Dkiss so it has to have bulk
strange juniper
nvm figured it out. somehow i ended up on the feature station stream
bold geode
Btw Max what's on the side stream
bold geode
I see
foggy lodge
but Juanfi is with that kinugawa variant with hearthflame
stone trellis
csr zama mirror ew
Hating on CSR-Zama and MiraiNala truly keeps you alive.
bold geode
Yeah the hate fuels me to kick ass
Got em
knotty briar
Incredible read
bold geode
I think Paul takes this set
foggy lodge
juanfi is using modest CSR lmfao
bold geode
I hope he loses LMAO
stone trellis
its 100% modest it just ohkod zama
With what?
foggy lodge
+2 psychic
foggy lodge
I doubt it
bold geode
You never know
stone trellis
Does Modest run Sash?
bold geode
Ew what the fuck happened for Paul to have Incin and Clef on the field at the same time
foggy lodge
Idt people wouldn't calc for the +2 life orb timid psychic
stone trellis
Ew what the fuck happened for Paul to have Incin and Clef on the field at the sa...
He switched out CSR.
bold geode
Idt people wouldn't calc for the +2 life orb timid psychic
They do already
But like it's a roll unless you just invest HEAVILY
Like it takes a lot to guarantee that
Does Juanfi have speed control?
foggy lodge
juanfi won 2-0
foggy lodge
Does Juanfi have speed control?
no
bold geode
It could be a roll and Timid then
foggy lodge
but he has double fake out double follow me
the team he is using is popular for being the one that started the modest csr thing
bold geode
I feel like Modest really only makes sense if you have like
Prankster TW
stone trellis
Do you think Paul can pull back game 2?
foggy lodge
could be timid cause he already used that team before and catching people off guard by making them think its modest can win you games but idk watching at th stream riley's csr moved consistently first
knotty briar
Going to game 3
foggy lodge
well game 2 is over
bold geode
You're telling me he used Modest CSR no TW?
foggy lodge
yes
stone trellis
Damn.
stone trellis
The hubris is insane.
bold geode
Also like
Juanfi could be Timid non max speed?
knotty briar
Koraidon used flame charge earlier
That's why it outsped CSR
foggy lodge
Also like
Juanfi could be Timid non max speed?
something like Kinugawa's yeah
but idk everything points more to being modest than timid
bold geode
I'd imagine that's a possibility too
Either Juanfi has Modest or it's like
Non max speed Timid and Riley has max speed timid
foggy lodge
mhm
bold geode
That or Juanfi lost every fucking coin flip
Last one is least likely but like it can happen
stone trellis
That or Juanfi lost every fucking coin flip
I once battled a fellow CIR-Magearna user and he was convinced my Magearna was not 0 Speed IVs because I won every Speed tie.
foggy lodge
doesn't icy wind here destroy paul
bold geode
Paul scares me every time cuz every time I see him go Fairy T1 I keep thinking he's gonna fuck up and go D Kiss into the Korai
knotty briar
Protect swap to clef is probably the play
stone trellis
For the redirection?
knotty briar
Yeah
foggy lodge
maybe he has to sac incin
foggy lodge
OH THAT'S SO GOOD
i didn't know it was taunt flutter
he doesn't have protect right?
stone trellis
Probably not.
stone trellis
Every day, we stray further from God.
stone trellis
Also that Clefairy just ate a fucking Flare Blitz from Korai
It's a neutral hit from a Koraidon without Life Orb.
bold geode
It's a neutral hit from a Koraidon without Life Orb.
Yeah but Tera Fire + Sun + Orichalcum
foggy lodge
he again has clef incin
foggy lodge
he has to kill clefairy
stone trellis
Clefairy is really just that fat huh
Eviolite just does wonders.
bold geode
I think this board here is what's killed Paul last game and potentially this game
stone trellis
CLEF LIVED LMAO
knotty briar
I think this board here is what's killed Paul last game and potentially this gam...
Yeah but Koraidon was still around last game
stone trellis
In the words of Rick Ross in Monster, "fat motherfucker, now look who's in trouble".
So it was no Protect Flutter.
bold geode
Jet Barrage here
knotty briar
Doesn't CSR outspeed Flutter without sun?
knotty briar
Cc bolt and astral barage
foggy lodge
its aqua jet astral
bold geode
Big play?