Is it going to be a good team? Probably not
#competitive_discussion
foggy lodge
Do you remember that Groudon Altaria Sableye team that made day 2 at worlds past year lmfao
cyan smelt
Can't believe altaria gets cotton guard but no body press
shadow wind
Do you remember that Groudon Altaria Sableye team that made day 2 at worlds past...
Lowkey might use inspo for that
Prankster gravity sing !!
cyan smelt
I miss dubwool, cotton guard body press goes hard
shadow wind
I think they should just give Zama cotton guard at this point
cyan smelt
They need to give zacian something equivalent then
shadow wind
Cotton guard when Rose attack enters the room
cyan smelt
As soon as dubwool is back I'm giving it a grassy or electric seed and going ham with cotton guard body press
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
shadow wind
Why did Galar mons just get bullet proof
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
cyan smelt
They couldn't think of what else to give it
foggy lodge
Remember when we thought Hydrapple could be good
shadow wind
It’s solid in singles
cyan smelt
Hydrapple + Darkrai
foggy lodge
Yeah but I remember many people gaslit themselves into thinking it was good in VGC
shadow wind
Fickle beam did seem broken
foggy lodge
And all the said was "its slow for TR and its inmune to Amoonguss!!!"
foggy lodge
Fickle beam did seem broken
Turns out having a broken move only 50% of the time isn't enough to make you good
shadow wind
And regenerator makes it good for singles
shadow wind
Turns out having a broken move only 50% of the time isn't enough to make you goo...
Isn’t it 30?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
foggy lodge
Oh even worse
shadow wind
Man that’s still broken
cyan smelt
It's great if you like gambling
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
foggy lodge
It has good stats in theory for hard TR
shadow wind
Just give it contrary and there we go
foggy lodge
But Hydrapple has to be like actually one of those mons that I have NEVER fought even in low ladder
And low ladder has some of the dumbest teams ever
foggy lodge
Yeah but eh
cyan smelt
Razor claw + fickle beam
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
foggy lodge
Scale shot tho
shadow wind
Scale shot tho
Nah
foggy lodge
The move that really saved them
solid frigate
i literally burntt out on VGC that i replayed Xenoblade 2 again
and more depression
foggy lodge
Still dragon claw is fine I think it got buffed and before it was 70 BP
shadow wind
i literally burntt out on VGC that i replayed Xenoblade 2 again
It’s not even that I burnt out I just ran out of Groudon
gilded bane
Yo my friend needs you guys to tell him what can pair with this team:
-Cinderace
-Dragapult
-Zamazenta
-Amoongus
shadow wind
But also XC2 is peak
foggy lodge
Power creep so dumb that 80 BP with no dumb secondary effects is considered meh🥀
shadow wind
Did you pull Kos-Mos?
solid frigate
Yo my friend needs you guys to tell him what can pair with this team:
-Cinderace...
@craggy dagger Cinderace
shadow wind
Power creep so dumb that 80 BP with no dumb secondary effects is considered meh�...
Indeed it is
foggy lodge
Yo my friend needs you guys to tell him what can pair with this team:
-Cinderace...
Singles or doubles
gilded bane
Singles or doubles
Doubles
foggy lodge
Cinderace is really bad
solid frigate
Did you pull Kos-Mos?
during first playthrough yep
Maxxed her out and doing shit
I just played them with NG+ cuz i am bored
foggy lodge
Zamazenta and Amoonguss are good
shadow wind
during first playthrough yep
Maxxed her out and doing shit
I just played them ...
Oh not a full replay
foggy lodge
Dragapult is just rough in this format
solid frigate
Oh not a full replay
and yes more spoiler Depression when i replay XC2 again (I'm not gonna grind again)
shadow wind
I did a full fresh playthrough and pulled her in chapter 2, it was crazy
Although before you can upgrade her affinity and stuff like that she isn’t even that broken
solid frigate
I did a full fresh playthrough and pulled her in chapter 2, it was crazy
ig thats why you missed so much Pblades
shadow wind
My luck gets used up in the dumbest ways
I remember in a playthrough of Sun I found 2 shinies back to back
Never again will I be lucky
foggy lodge
Conner actually how many times have you clicked precipice blades
solid frigate
My luck gets used up in the dumbest ways
i just spam Pneuma every fucking time due to she is basically built in Stellar Tera lmao
foggy lodge
Assuming you click it atleast once or twice every battle
gilded bane
Cinderace is really bad
He's asking what 2 pokemon would be good with this team tho
foggy lodge
ok
shadow wind
foggy lodge
LMFAO
shadow wind
That was in 177 games
solid frigate
when your best STAB move is a missing move
foggy lodge
And without counting all the other battles not registered there
shadow wind
Yeah…
solid frigate
foggy lodge
Helping hand,,,
solid frigate
i would genuinely play a reg F tour just to use Archaludon Rain with Garticuno for fun lmao
foggy lodge
I remember a helping hand Koraidon team
foggy lodge
i would genuinely play a reg F tour just to use Archaludon Rain with Garticuno f...
I want to play reg G
I didn't appreciate pagos heatran scream tail enough
foggy lodge
Tbh if you are playing Groudon that's just the thing you are supposed to do lol
foggy lodge
Keep clicking it maybe you can hit them 4 times
foggy lodge
Can't you do it on your phone tho?
foggy lodge
Lol
shadow wind
Would rather walk on hot coals
foggy lodge
Showdown works horrible on mobile yeah
cyan smelt
Hopefully champions is at least ok on mobile
shadow wind
I can’t imagine it will be
foggy lodge
Unite traumatized me
solid frigate
I want to play reg G
shadow wind
Was unite on mobile?
foggy lodge
Yeh
solid frigate
Was unite on mobile?
yeah
shadow wind
Ah heck nah
foggy lodge
And unite works horrible in both mobile and switch
shadow wind
But before I’m at my house tomorrow I gotta go swimming
So it’s not like I get all day to team build
foggy lodge
Be in contact with the water
Feel the waves of creativity
I was talking earlier with the people from here that I forgot if I knew I could swim or not
Turns out I can but I genuinely didn't remember if I could or not
cyan smelt
Team build while underwater
solid frigate
what’s up?
just cinderace mentioned
solid frigate
Team build while underwater
or just think ideas when swimming
thats how i do that when i was sleeping
shadow wind
Goat
cyan smelt
Would that jumpluff even have sleep powder
shadow wind
Ice spinner sleep powder !!
craggy dagger
just cinderace mentioned
oh oh
solid frigate
This is why I like Groudon
things aren't going swimmingly
shadow wind
Swimming sprints isn’t fun so I’m associating water with pain and struggle
And that’s why I hate Kyogre
It all makes sense
craggy dagger
cinderace is a fun team member to use
stone trellis
Conner, I have an idea.
Specs Groudon.
Nobody is expecting it and it can do ridiculous damage.
strange fjord
seen someone run overheat/eruption groudon
it worked out okay. but definitely not as good as the physical set
knotty mirage
I think i seen some people on cart ladder run mixed attacker groudon with eruption and priciple blade
And they use coaching too help with their low physical attack
stone trellis
I think i seen some people on cart ladder run mixed attacker groudon with erupti...
"Principle blade"
I don't know why that's so funny to me.
molten oasis
principle blade lol
lofty tartan
And they use coaching too help with their low physical attack
If someone is playing mixed attack Groudon with Coaching, I have a bridge to sell them.
knotty mirage
If someone is playing mixed attack Groudon with Coaching, I have a bridge to sel...
It's cart ladder most people use element of surprise to cheese a win so yeah 
molten oasis
i remember people in bo1 were playing scarf tera fire eruption groudon for a bit lol
knotty mirage
I'm really upset when groudon use eruption ohko my caly i and then ohko my miraidon next turn with priciple blade after coaching
lofty tartan
It's cart ladder most people use element of surprise to cheese a win so yeah <:S...
Those people usually stay low ladder. Element of surprise only surprises someone once and if the surprise isn't meaningful, then the surprise is worthless.
Sort of like mixed attack Eruption Coaching Groudon
If you're losing to a Groudon Eruption you're playing exceptionally poorly
252+ SpA Groudon Eruption (150 BP) vs. 244 HP / 100 SpD Calyrex-Ice Rider in Sun: 132-156 (64 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This is a very typical Caly-I spread.
knotty mirage
The groudon use life orb actually
And it use tera fire at first turn when using eruption
lofty tartan
You don't protect for scout or look for a TR opening? Did you just send with Glacial? 
Like surely you'd have known something was up when they didn't switch Groudon right?
stone trellis
Low ladder is fucking crazy sometimes (and yeah, I know Tera Stellar isn't good on Scarf, I just forgot to change it).
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2419409880-jkyag8067s1l5sdrrp9osxvse09v3wfpw
knotty mirage
Okay i actually rarely click protect and yeah i glacial because it lead groudon and h liligant so i thought i could just take the double ko with glacial
lofty tartan
Oh yeah don't fall into the trap of always clicking SE moves.
Protect is your friend
If your opponent has two brain cells to randomly smash together they're not just gonna let you slow roll a double KO with Caly
And in that event your Caly is slower than both. TR is probably a good idea. Miraidon coming in afterward should've iced Groudon anyway.
244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fire Groudon: 270-318 (154.2 - 181.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
244+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fire Groudon: 180-213 (102.8 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Even without specs and some investment, you OHKO Tera fire Groudon
knotty mirage
Oh well mistakes have been made i guess hopefully it will not happen again
But that happen on like start of the reg so i'm still learning how to use double restricted i think i will not fall for something like that again
knotty mirage
244+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Fire Groudon...
Oh and my miraidon is on the slower side back then because my line of thinking is i'm using trick room so i don't need speed Investment on the mirai
real prairie
I've been streaming like 3 times a week for 3+ hours
cyan smelt
replay?
stone trellis
I didn't save it.
cyan smelt
oh damn, well don't tilt
stone trellis
And the worst part is that I had a way to win on the second to last turn.
cyan smelt
was it just air slash spam
stone trellis
Had the Shaymin not flinched me with Air Slash, Magearna (who was at +3) would have OHKO'd Shaymin.
cyan smelt
what item do you have on magearna
stone trellis
Leftovers.
cyan smelt
i've seen some people run berry on it
stone trellis
That's not going to help.
Plus, this one is in Grassy Terrain.
You recover more than Sitrus Berry in three turns.
And it's not a one-time thing.
cyan smelt
hmm well if it works on your team that's the most important thing
fluid fiber
Not me hitting number 200 on the showdown ladder and then falling back to 1100
cyan smelt
do you think i should be a terrible person and run poison stall with dozo
and pecharunt
stone trellis
Do it.
stone trellis
maybe caly ice as the restricted
Maintain the agenda, my child.
stone trellis
Oh my God, I'm so stupid.
I just beat a guy who was using Smeargle, Cloak CSR and mixed Arceus.
I saved the replay but when I went to post it here, I clicked Control + C instead of Control + V.
So I just copied nothing instead of pasting the replay link.
cyan smelt
wait, i could use this opportunity to try no retreat baton pass smeargle into calyrex ice
then i just need a 6th
indeedee for when that's not viable ig
or rilla
maybe rilla is better
cyan smelt
ok i like leech seed + poison gas combo
stone trellis
ok i like leech seed + poison gas combo
Hey Kalos, what's the team so far?
cyan smelt
idk but it loses to darkrai
it's caly-i, smeargle, dozo, pecharunt, giri and rillaboom
stone trellis
Mr. Krabs, start using Scarfshifu twinnnnn
stone trellis
Yeah, most likely.
Either that or bring Ursaluna.
Protect it turn 1 and now it can't be slept.
stone trellis
Why, so it can move after all the base 50s that threaten a KO into it (inside of Trick Room)?
The problem is that you can't combine the two.
cyan smelt
no retreat is primarily into dozo and caly-i
cyan smelt
yes
stone trellis
Is it AV or Leftovers?
stone trellis
Nah, you can get Parting Shot trapped.
cyan smelt
clear amulet is good then
stone trellis
Clear Amulet also means you can never lose the boosts from No Retreat if you don't switch out.
+3 212 Atk Dondozo Wave Crash vs. 28 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Koraidon in Sun: 182-216 (101.6 - 120.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
JESUS CHRIST
Yeah, I think No Retreat + DozoGiri might be cracked if handled properly.
You could also give the Chesto Berry to Dondozo if you're adamant about not losing to Darkrai.
cyan smelt
chesto sounds nice
cyan smelt
just 252 attack 252 speed adamant
stone trellis
Why?
cyan smelt
idk what spread to use
stone trellis
Okay, let's run through everything.
stone trellis
Why?
cyan smelt
getting intimidated sucks
stone trellis
Fine.
stone trellis
Go ask someone who uses Dondozo.
cyan smelt
this is pretty fun
poison gas pecharunt and no retreat smeargle lead with dozo in the back
this is kinda broken actually, i can give caly-i an omni-boost
stone trellis
I'm building a hard TR team and I need an EV spread for NDW.
cyan smelt
leech seed + no retreat + toxic stall + dozo makes for an annoying team to beat lol
Ndw probably needs investment in HP , def and sp def
wooden steeple
I prefer lunala even for hard tr tbh
wide guard can always help set tr
and shadow shield is the far better ability
wooden steeple
wouldn't that be the one thing ndw does better than lunala lol
wooden steeple
lunala can always just go moongeist moonblast wide guard tr tera fairy
stone trellis
I just wanted an excuse to use my 0 Attack / 1 Speed Necrozma for something.
wooden steeple
ayo you got that ingame
stone trellis
Yeah.
wooden steeple
nice
stone trellis
My luck has been cracked so far.
wooden steeple
nvm what I said thats 100% a good excuse lol
stone trellis
My luck has been cracked so far.
I got a 0 Attack Kyogre without any resets too.
stone trellis
nvm what I said thats 100% a good excuse lol
Aight.
wooden steeple
I did get my 0 attack lunala in 3 tries too I guess
stone trellis
The Lunala I have is also 1 Attack.
It has the exact same result as 0 Attack, so I didn't bother hunting for any longer.
wooden steeple
yea
sometimes 3 attack does too btw always worth checking
for example fluttermane with 3 attack IVs and negative attack nature is the same as 0 IVs and negative nature
stone trellis
Yep.
wooden steeple
its a difference of 1 without the nature, but because of rounding its the same with nature
stone trellis
This is the team me and Shrek have made so far.
https://pokepast.es/642b03eb45eeba07
wooden steeple
the 4spdef on necrozma should go into spa or def
stone trellis
So just 252 HP / 60 Def / 196 SpA?
wooden steeple
I'd go expanding force over photon geyser, you don't have to spyspam just because you have it but its always nice to have a spread option
stone trellis
Yeah, you're probably right.
wooden steeple
for hard tr on calyrex usually close combat is better
stone trellis
Goddamn, this thing has a lot of Defense.
196+ Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 60 Def Necrozma-Dawn-Wings in Sun: 169-200 (82.8 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
stone trellis
for hard tr on calyrex usually close combat is better
Sure.
wooden steeple
Id personally even just 252/252 all the tr attackers lol
stone trellis
I don't want to do that.
wooden steeple
I mean both of them have high def stats so the most they're profitting from is the hp bulk wise
but sure you don't have to actually
stone trellis
Look, Tera Water CIR lives Specs Modest Electro Drift from Miraidon (in Psychic Terrain) with Light Screen up 75% of the time.
How much do you think CSR Astral Barrage is doing to Ice Rider? (Pro tip, even max SpA Tera Ghost does less than neutral Specs Mirai)
wooden steeple
I mean if you tera waterd against miraidon you probably took chip already tho
stone trellis
Yeah, and Amoonguss deals with the problem anyway.
But the point is that these guys can live a shit ton of attacks.
wooden steeple
they kinda can without the def too
stone trellis
Necrozma's Defense is there to live Knock Off from Incineroar.
Actually no, that's stupid.
wooden steeple
with or without powerherb still on?
stone trellis
With.
wooden steeple
yea just like, use meteor beam lol
wooden steeple
that is technically another reason lunala is better, it can still outspeed incin outside tr to meteor beam before it ever moves
wooden steeple
The only problem is Safety Goggles.
you can follow me tbh, indeedee doesn't have an item so it takes less too
stone trellis
I just want to win one game with Necrozma, then I'll switch to using Lunala.
wooden steeple
nah keep the ndw
stone trellis
I still want to use the shiny Lunala I got traded from God knows who.
Or just the regular one.
wooden steeple
actually I'm just thinking, tera dark might be better on ndw to not get prankster encored into tr
stone trellis
Bro had a vision.
wooden steeple
also funny idea:
stone trellis
+1 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 60 Def Prism Armor Tera Dark Necrozma-Dawn-Wings: 154-184 (75.4 - 90.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This y'all GOAT, Zama players?
wooden steeple
tera fighting on calyrex for extra damage close combat + its lowkey not bad defensively for it?
stone trellis
Fighting resists Dark, Rock and Bug.
wooden steeple
thats half of calyrexes weaknesses
stone trellis
Yep.
wooden steeple
just remembered that tech from a really silly electric seed body press set I ran once
stone trellis
Actually, it might be the only type that makes CIR lose all of its original weaknesses.
chrome knot
weak to psychic fairy flying(irrelevant into cir) neutral into alot
wooden steeple
water does doesn't it?
chrome knot
ground
wooden steeple
dragon
stone trellis
Tera Ground Tera Blast would save my ass, actually.
chrome knot
lmfaoo
wooden steeple
poison
stone trellis
Tera Ground Tera Blast would save my ass, actually.
Hits way harder than no Tera High Horsepower (because of STAB) and cannot miss.
wooden steeple
electric
ok those are all now tho
fighting, water, electric, normal, dragon, poison, ground
stone trellis
116+ Atk Tera Fighting Calyrex-Ice Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar: 204-242 (101.4 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
wooden steeple
yoo nice
stone trellis
Zama takes 54-64% if it isn't a crit.
(A crit just sends it all the way back to the lobby)
Oh, and Fighting Tera also resists MB from Lunala.
wooden steeple
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2419518444 lol was just playing ur team and got complimented for it
@stone trellis
wooden steeple
tyty
stone trellis
I'll make it in game as well.
wooden steeple
I wanna share my rental in #rental_teams but don't have the level 🥲
stone trellis
I'll make it in game as well.
I already have every single Pokemon and I only need to change Torkoal's EVs.
wooden steeple
yoo big
stone trellis
So I'll post both a rental and a Pokepaste.
wooden steeple
my team btw https://pokepast.es/0fc4de5b3e206154
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2419518444 lol was just playi...
Is it this hard for Miraidon Kyogre teams to not have a Farigiraf or Tsareena
wooden steeple
huh?
solid frigate
saying your opponent team
wooden steeple
ooh on my phone it looked like you were replying to my paste lol
priority blocking has been less essential recently I guess
wooden steeple
does it?
solid frigate
Miraidon and Kyogre both hates Rilla
And Miraidon especially is very vulnerable to fake out
solid frigate
is it this hard to find mirai Ogre players that are actually good besides nick
wooden steeple
yea cuz most good players chose a pair that's not bad lol
I'm being harsh tbf
its like maybe top 15 pairs, which is not good enough kinda
solid frigate
nick got undefeated swiss with that lmao
wooden steeple
yea fair he did go crazy
solid frigate
and no Miraidon Kyogre is niche at best lmao
wooden steeple
but like top 4 are taken by mirai cir, mirai luna, csr zama, csr korai
then 5-7th are mirai zama, cir kyogre, pagos mirai
solid frigate
i know i looked at meta sheets lmao
wooden steeple
so not much space left for kyogre miria
8-11th are csr pagos, korai luna, zacian kyogre, csr mirai or something idk
solid frigate
i know
wooden steeple
yea Im just spamming for level lol
solid frigate
once again
I follow how meta works
wooden steeple
only need a few more messages for level 6 so I can post my rental 🙏
solid frigate
https://pokepast.es/f0e60dc4c7aaa9da
I was gonna make a rental with this but eh idk i'm lazy and reg I is horrible
wooden steeple
my team btw https://pokepast.es/0fc4de5b3e206154
that's mine
top 16d an 82 player tour with it
"I top cut an 82 player tour with non flareblitz non cc koriadon" lol
solid frigate
atp evveryone can get away with it ig
wooden steeple
trailblaze bonnet carried soo hard btw
yoo wait I didn't get a notif for my level up I got enough!
stone trellis
just stop playing csr zama balance and it's much more fun
Be a chad and maintain the CIR-Miraidon agenda.
dense latch
fair enough my fault for trying to play
solid frigate
Be a chad and maintain the CIR-Miraidon agenda.
already done that since start of august
stone trellis
already done that since start of august
nocturne holly
Is arceus legal yet
wooden steeple
no, next season and only on the ladder
wooden steeple
the one I just posted in #rental_teams 🙂
next stump
worlds this week 🙂
real prairie
Any changes to the team anyone can suggest for a final push for #1? https://pokepast.es/c8a57b2111a37ae7
solid frigate
what teams r u guys using rn
In which reg
solid frigate
worlds this week 🙂
I will watch the livestream with the boys in the other server
Hopefully it’s interesting this time
real prairie
im torn between watching the live stream or a co-streamer
solid frigate
Idk
bold geode
solid frigate
vernal shadow
Playing cobblemon on a server and there's a tournament coming up for newer players. I'll post the rules here and my current team. Could I have some help ? It'll be held on Saturday
Very unusual yes but it uploads the matches to showdown too. Works exactly like regular Pokémon but in Minecraft since a few friends who like Pokémon don't own switches, best way to play
solid frigate
This is the second time I seen that in two different servers
vernal shadow
~~This is the second time I seen that in two different servers~~
What I said ?
real prairie
maybe check in the general as this is more VGC related. im sure there are some other cobblemon users
vernal shadow
Or someone else ?
real prairie
or in the pixelmon section
vernal shadow
maybe check in the general as this is more VGC related. im sure there are some o...
That's true. I'm a bit bummed it's singles too
real prairie
again, we should really rename this chat 🤣
solid frigate
What I said ?
Well someone did ask for advice on VGC with Cobblemon back in other server so I have that experience
solid frigate
Well someone did ask for advice on VGC with Cobblemon back in other server so I ...
ATP just name it VGC channel
vernal shadow
again, we should really rename this chat 🤣
I mean competitive discussion and the exact same rules as the regular games 😅
Literally identical to the point it's got showdown integration which is pretty nifty
vernal shadow
Well someone did ask for advice on VGC with Cobblemon back in other server so I ...
Fair
real prairie
I mean competitive discussion and the exact same rules as the regular games 😅
Yeah, think the initial intention was to be a wide variety of competitive areas, but it sort of just become place for the official format
im sure if more people knew singles or competitive for other areas they'd help
god, im dyslexic AF
vernal shadow
That's a shame. Can I still ask away anyways ?
I kinda hate singles. The gym leaders are a pain too. Was beating a one yesterday and he brings out terapagos stellar. I had no answer for it. So much damage, so much tank.
Doubles, I could focus it and try and protect my team but in singles idk how to handle that
I didn't have any multi hit moves to hand and no fighting
solid frigate
im sure if more people knew singles or competitive for other areas they'd help
Tbf more people play singles than VGC and there is a arbitrary debate over whenever singles vs doubles is better
Which is stupid because both have their merits and flaws
real prairie
That's a shame. Can I still ask away anyways ?
I kinda hate singles. The gym le...
Assume this is in Cobblemon
vernal shadow
I find doubles feels more fun and feels a bit more balanced with a wider variety of moves being useful
vernal shadow
Assume this is in Cobblemon
Yup. Gyms are players and so they have whatever teams they want (within the type ofc)
I almost beat electric but got sniped by thunderclap right at the end bc I sacked indeedee after winning terrain Vs tapu Coco. Real shame. 30 turns in
Here's the format anyways. Lots of Ubers banned for this and some odd ones
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/national-dex/
real prairie
Interesting, might give it a go for stream at some point.
real prairie
Here's the format anyways. Lots of Ubers banned for this and some odd ones
http...
You'll struggle to get help here for that, have you checked out the official SMOGON discord?
vernal shadow
Server does have some paid elements for legendaries but I've caught 2 now by rng and bought the Regis for a friend with coins from selling
vernal shadow
You'll struggle to get help here for that, have you checked out the official SMO...
I have not
real prairie
might be a good starting place
vernal shadow
They have one ?
vernal shadow
won't share the link here, for obvious reasons
Ye ofc. Could u DM me or is that not allowed?
real prairie
thats fine, ill ping it over.
vernal shadow
Ty. I'm just looking for people to point out stuff I may run into that I haven't thought about. The gyms have been like that where I think I've amped my team and their team changes including something really oppressive that I don't have answers for.
real prairie
As gym leaders, are their teams not fixed. so you could look up the pokemon?
vernal shadow
I thought they were. I winged a few just to see and was like "so for me to win I just need to finish breeding my whimsi for tw and mega gardevoir got this"
Then I lost bc the dude swapped out his zekrom for raging bolt which I forgot it's priority move. Sweaoed my team right at the end
Bit salty if I'm honest that out of the 4 I've fought and two I've rematched since filling out my team, both were carried to victory by some of the strongest Pokémon in the game which are quite rare on the server.
Terapagos stellar form and raging bolt (which if I had planned correctly, I could've beaten tbf)
inner cape
Hey everyone, I’m looking for any opinions or considerations for a potential VGC doubles team. Not for any in-person events just for the ladder. I have the core group but want to know what mon people think would work best around them.
Core of the team is:
Scovillain (Chlorophyll, rocky helmet, max speed and SpA) - Spicy Extract support booster
Koraidon (Clear amulet, max speed and Attack) - set up sun for chlorophyll and sweep with spicy extract boost
Solgaleo (Leftovers, max speed [unsure if I should make more bulky or max attack]) - hybrid role where they can help defend the team with wide guard and get attack boost from spicy extract
Landorus-Therian (eject button, max speed and attack) - Intimidate and counter miraidon
Looking for opinions on the last two spots or if you think there is a better intimidate option than Lando. I thought lando was best because this team is already pretty fire heavy and weak to water.
My thoughts were I need to counter water types, specifically Kyogre especially since my team likes to have the sun up. I wasn’t sure if I should include a water type like Primarina who works in trick room, or maybe a Greninja to mesh with the speed and special attacking aspects of my team. I also thought I might want more speed control, maybe a tailwind setter. I originally had Galarian Moltres in this spot for the dark typing, but it ended up being too slow to really do anything. I could go whimsicott but again that’s adding another grass type to my team when I don’t have great fire type counters. Thoughts appreciated
bold geode
Imma be honest
There's a team with Scovillain and Koraidon here that's way better
https://youtu.be/bwxlrfQpD9E?si=Xuwu9KslJSMGgagS
But that strat is a bit of a gimmick and like idt it's insanely good
I'd probably just use that rental personally too cuz like
After August the format changes
solid frigate
Imma be honest
There's a team with Scovillain and Koraidon here that's way bette...
+4 Koraidon in stream LMAO
inner cape
Yeah I saw some team with him at some tournament a while ago. I just thought it would work well with Solgaleo since it has the built in clear amulet
stone trellis
Having two ohysical attackers is kinda...
inner cape
Is it that bad? I mean neither is getting affected by intimidate in this lineup
Oh yeah the other thing I was trying with this team was using stealth rock dragon tail. With Lando setting stealth rock and the dragon tail having two purposes resetting the stat boosts and getting stealth rock damage. I tried it on ranked and was going like 2wins3losses using those 4 with Primarina and Moltres-G
stone trellis
Is it that bad? I mean neither is getting affected by intimidate in this lineup
One of the two can always get burned and Solgaleo is weak to Ghost, Dark, Fire AND Ground.
dense latch
solgaleo is just a bad restricted
stone trellis
Yeah, sadly.
inner cape
Dang solgaleo is really just shit huh. Honestly what’s up with the typing on him? Lunala is super effective against it and Solgaleo has jack shit to counter. Seems like a super one-sided legendary duo.
Maybe the team would do better in reg H with Metagross instead 😭😭
Psychic type itself seems like it just sucks. Sad asf when so many cool pokemon are psychic but it’s useless to only be effective against poison and fighting.
lofty tartan
Oh yeah the other thing I was trying with this team was using stealth rock drago...
Dragon Tail is not a good strategy. It's -6 priority and a terrible move.
Additionally, hazards are also not a good strategy in VGC/Doubles. There's not as much switching as in singles, so entry hazards don't end up doing a whole lot.
Relying on a -6 priority move in order to attempt to get some chip on them coming back in seems like a roundabout way of trying to do damage when you can just hit the thing.
pulsar cloak
Psychic type itself seems like it just sucks. Sad asf when so many cool pokemon ...
Well lemme tell you what typing one of the most common mons in Reg H has
lofty tartan
Psychic type itself seems like it just sucks. Sad asf when so many cool pokemon ...
Psychic doesn't suck. Psyspam itself is a powerful and viable strategy in many formats. Fighting types are powerful; some are oppressive.
It's Solgaleo that sucks.
inner cape
Dragon Tail is not a good strategy. It's -6 priority and a terrible move.
Addi...
-6 priority what the hell I didn’t even know that. Why is it negative priority?
lofty tartan
-6 priority what the hell I didn’t even know that. Why is it negative priority?
Because it force-switches your opponent.
stone trellis
Yeah, CSR and Lunala are both easily in the top 6 best restricteds. It's just that Solgaleo sucks ass.
inner cape
Well lemme tell you what typing one of the most common mons in Reg H has
Lemme guess it’s the dual types with Normal isn’t it?
lofty tartan
Lemme guess it’s the dual types with Normal isn’t it?
They're talking about Sneasler.
stone trellis
I think he meant Sneasler.
lofty tartan
Sneasler is 4x weak to Psychic.
pulsar cloak
They're talking about Sneasler.
^
inner cape
Oh I thought he meant the paychics are used a lot but the only ones I see are farigiraf or indeedee
lofty tartan
Oh I thought he meant the paychics are used a lot but the only ones I see are fa...
Indeedee and Farigiraf are the primary ones, and have cemented strong positions in several formats. Yes.
Farigiraf shines in high-powered formats like Restricted-legal formats.
inner cape
That’s kinda what I mean tho they have to have a good second type to counter the fact that psychic sucks ass
lofty tartan
Psychic doesn't suck ass though lol. They're still weak to Dark.
Solgaleo's weaknesses he gains from Steel in addition to his Psychic weaknesses make him struggle.
Psychic/Steel isn't a horrible typing. Look at Metagross.
Solgaleo offers nothing that you can't get better with almost any other Restricted.
It's a combination of typing and the fact that Solgaleo is just meh.
It sucks. I like him too. 
inner cape
I feel you with solgaleo I just wanted to use it’s ability thats why I was struggling to make a team
lofty tartan
Eh. Like definitely don't try to build around the ability of a pokemon. All it does is prevent Intimidate from hosing him too much but he still gets donked by Incineroar.
inner cape
Psychic does suck imo tho I’ve tried to use several psychic only pokemon and it has too many common weaknesses. Mewtwo - trash. Lugia - Trash. Latios and Latias - mid. Lake Trio - garbage. It takes a lot for psychic mon to be remotely usable
molten oasis
solgaleo is just unfortunately not that good
inner cape
Eh. Like definitely don't try to build around the ability of a pokemon. All it...
It started bc I caught a shiny scovillain and wanted to use spicy extract. I put the clear amulet on Koraidon but then I realized Solgaleo has the ability and good attack so i thought it would be the perfect partner for scovillain. Maybe I should take out Koraidon then and make Solgaleo tera fire. And just use Sunny day instead of orichalcum pulse
dense latch
Psychic does suck imo tho I’ve tried to use several psychic only pokemon and it ...
you might've chosen the worst possible psychic type legends lmao
have you tried either of the calyrex forms
lofty tartan
Psychic does suck imo tho I’ve tried to use several psychic only pokemon and it ...
Mewtwo is trash because Mewtwo is outclassed by basically everything released after him. He was Gen 1, so let that sink in.
Lugia is just not a strong Restricted. It's not because of typing.
Latios and Latias aren't Restricted and they carry their own mixed bag from being Dragons. They've seen play though, in some form.
The Lake Trio are not good. At all.
It's not the fact that these are psychic mons that make them bad, it is a combination of elements.
inner cape
have you tried either of the calyrex forms
Lmao that’s funny bc Calyrex by itself is garbage. It’s the horses that make it good. I was just pointing out that most prominent psychics suck.
molten oasis
newer psychic type mons are better for multiple reasons
lofty tartan
Lmao that’s funny bc Calyrex by itself is garbage. It’s the horses that make it ...
Those are not the most prominent psychic mons.
Everything you listed in that paragraph is trash on grounds of being trash. Not because it's a Psychic Pokemon.
Cresselia is one of the bulkiest pokemon ever and has seen a ton of tournament usage.
Pure Psychic typing, too.
inner cape
Fair enough I mean obviously any pokemon can be good if it has a busted stats or ability. Just saying psychic type doesn’t give an advantage other than against sneasler. Just like you’re saying the mons I picked are bad of their other merits those pokemon like Cresselia and Calyrex are good because of other factors not the psychic typing
molten oasis
the calys are good kinda regardless of the psychic typings
one of them doesnt even run psychic coverage
dense latch
to be fair the calys are busted in spite of their psychic type rather than because of it
molten oasis
true
dense latch
mostly CIR
lofty tartan
Fair enough I mean obviously any pokemon can be good if it has a busted stats or...
I'm saying that the things I've listed are good on the other merits, and the things you've listed are bad in other merits, yes. That's how pokemon works. Typing alone doesn't make anything good or bad.
dense latch
but that's also the case for the psychic types you mentioned - the type has little to do with how bad they are
lofty tartan
^^^^^^this is true for everything.
molten oasis
levitate on eforce pure psychic mons is ass
inner cape
Right so taking away those other merits psychic is a bad type. 2 super effectives, one being rarely used poison. Equal number of resistences as well as a total 0 effectiveness against dark. That’s not good.
molten oasis
could be bug
dense latch
levitate on eforce pure psychic mons is ass
having them be one of the only mons that get eforce through level up is evil
molten oasis
true
lofty tartan
I wouldn't call Cress an Eforce Psychic mon. It's like trying to use Amoonguss to pressure with Sludge Bomb instead of as a support mon.
molten oasis
was talking about the lake trio
molten oasis
what was with gen 4 and levitating psychic types
lofty tartan
I have no idea. Probably they weren't thinking about Psychic Terrain
molten oasis
theres 5 i think lmao
lofty tartan
Indeedee was made much later than then Lake Trio.
molten oasis
bronzong lake trio cress
well yeah im just saying in the context of gen 4 like
why lmao
inner cape
Was psychic terrain even a thing in gen 4?
dense latch
terrain wasn't a thing until gen 6
lofty tartan
terrain wasn't a thing until gen 6
This is what I thought.
dense latch
the terrain setting abilities dropped with the tapus in gen 7
lofty tartan
But before saying it, I was corroborating my information 
inner cape
Tbh I never played gens 6 or 7 thats prob also why the mons I listed suck. Overall power creep got to em aside from their badness
lofty tartan
Combination of stats, ability, typing, movepool
Lots of things that are old are still relevant. Things that were already pretty poor are made worse with time.
Like I'm even considering double psychic types for Pittsburgh Regionals.
molten oasis
still looking at delphox?
dense latch
delphox is cool
lofty tartan
Yeah I'm never not looking at Delphox in Reg H
molten oasis
have you tried it out much?
lofty tartan
I played it a good deal before Toronto.
molten oasis
i mean recently
lofty tartan
Not recently.
It still patches the holes it did before.
Helps against Chomp and Gholdengo etc
molten oasis
you thinking ttar with it?
lofty tartan
I'd say Reg H is mostly solved but there's still room for innovation.
lofty tartan
you thinking ttar with it?
Probably not that. The only thing that'll make me run Ttar at Pittsburgh is Excadrill
molten oasis
lofty tartan
Sand is good in H. It's the counter weather. But making strong use of it with a pressure creating mon like Exca seems more advantageous
inner cape
Is reg H only in person?
lofty tartan
Reg H is the format for the Official Circuit.
lofty tartan
So all official events are held in Regulation H.
Regulation J is a nothing-burger online format.
It means that Scarlet/Violet are done.
inner cape
Yeah cuz I’m just gonna be online
In Reg J it seems like none of the mythicals are better than the other restricteds or am I missing something?
lofty tartan
You're not. Almost all Mythicals are straight-up worse than Restricted Legends in every imaginable way.
Mythicals are "Mythicals" because they're exclusive.
inner cape
Damn they should’ve taken out the restricteds then
lofty tartan
Then the format would be even worse than it already is. Which is pretty bad.
inner cape
It would be more fun at least
inner cape
Just want some novelty ya know
lofty tartan
inner cape
I started in Reg I I’ve been running caly-s Zama
lofty tartan
Oh I am sorry that you started in Regulation I.
molten oasis
lmfao
lofty tartan
Truly, I feel for you.
inner cape
Two restricted is too much and I didn’t have a zama to start had to get one from GTS
lofty tartan
Oh yeah game is still fun.
Yikes. Zama from GTS
inner cape
The Caly I run has trick room, protect, and imprison lmfao.
inner cape
Why yikes?
molten oasis
lofty tartan
Almost all GTS legends are illegitimate.
inner cape
It has Go stamp I thought that means legit
lofty tartan
There's a difference between Go Stamps and Go Marks, too.
inner cape
What’s the difference?
lofty tartan
Zamazenta was released in Go, and if there's an actual Go Stamp there's a chance it's legit. Usually, though, GTS trades can be very sketchy when you're trading for Legends. Especially if those Legends aren't coming in at very low levels.
inner cape
Damn man I finally figured out how to IV train and there’s still more bs I gotta learn about
I’m pretty sure it’s legit bc it came with the GO origination game and level like 5 or something
lofty tartan
This is the Go Stamp
Stamp is the last game the Pokemon visited.
So if you have a Go Stamp, with the Origin Mark, it is unlikely that it has touched any other game than Go, and went straight into Home.
inner cape
Oh shit
Just mark
Well whatever man I don’t have any other way to get Zama so it’ll have to do
lofty tartan
Yeah that just means it "originated in Go", but if it has another Stamp then it could technically be manipulated and just given a Go Origin Mark.
See me after the next Zamazenta raids in Go. I'll have tons extra.
Should be after the 24th of this month.
inner cape
You’re a legend man I’ll send a DM
lofty tartan
No worries. I just didn't do Zama raids last time, and did Zacian raids instead, so I currently only have extras of him.
inner cape
I was having decent success anyway I peaked at no. 8,000 in masterball at the end of July.
Yeah I have pokemon Sword so I can get more Zacian just never had Shield
lofty tartan
Speaking of Go Raids, I gotta go back to trying for my shiny Ho-Oh
inner cape
Shiny hunting is so hard. I’ve been trying for Shiny Froakie for the past week. Probably defeated like 2,000 so far
solid frigate
Speaking of Go Raids, I gotta go back to trying for my shiny Ho-Oh
what am i seeing Mika
lofty tartan
what am i seeing Mika
What
lofty tartan
Just that psychic types aren't bad by default of being a psychic type, and the legendaries in question are just mediocre
Nothing serious
solid frigate
fair
lofty tartan
As far as what you replied to - Ho-Oh is in 5-star raids in Go right now 😄
solid frigate
man this is funny asf
lofty tartan
solid frigate
rest in piece
lofty tartan
I mean I think lower power formats are really better starting points and Restricted formats punish mistakes a lot more readily.
solid frigate
I mean I think lower power formats are really better starting points and Restric...
either reg A-C or Reg F imo
Reg F is peak so i am saying this
lofty tartan
And the average new player is gonna make a lot of mistakes, which will be sorta unclear whether it was a mistake or just Calyrex doing its thing
I like everything Pre-G
solid frigate
And the average new player is gonna make a lot of mistakes, which will be sorta ...
yeah could see that
solid frigate
I like everything Pre-G
reg G is still fine until rerun make them overtuned everything
Tho seeing Lunala won something by itself is something
lofty tartan
Lunala is pretty awesome though
solid frigate
Lunala is pretty awesome though
Lunala is quite literally the perfect restricted in terms of balancing
like its not bad itself while also have ways to have counterplay with it(That does not need to build around it too much)
stone trellis
What was the first VGC team you used?
solid frigate
Reg F Archa Rain
stone trellis
For me, it was the Tang Clan San Antonio team.
I guess that's why I have such a soft spot for CIR in my heart.
solid frigate
i made a variant on that team with Gren
foggy lodge
What was the first VGC team you used?
Inci Rilla Flutter Ogerpon Landorus Raging
Lmfao
stone trellis
Is that Reg F?
foggy lodge
Yeh
Very unoptimal team looking at it now imo
Tho I was a bit creative because I think I never saw someone use this exact 6 at the same time
buoyant marlin
Do you think a mew with imprison + transform could be viable in a gimmicky/fun team? I like this kinda of trap combo and know probably not great in tournament but for online play
stone trellis
Do you think a mew with imprison + transform could be viable in a gimmicky/fun t...
Did you watch the SkrawVGC video?
foggy lodge
Do you think a mew with imprison + transform could be viable in a gimmicky/fun t...
Nah
2 turns wasted just to click funny moves
dense latch
What was the first VGC team you used?
for me it was this https://pokepast.es/ce5f734fa47c4419 had a short vgc phase in mid 2021 and this team was really fun
foggy lodge
Porygon2!!?
I forgot P2 was good in restricted formats
SV has done way too much damage
buoyant marlin
Did you watch the SkrawVGC video?
Nah does he make one?
dense latch
I forgot P2 was good in restricted formats
eerie impulse was crazy vs dmax
foggy lodge
I remember pokealex said P2 was fine in reg G cuz it had eerie impulse
He wasn't right but the reasoning makes sense considering series 6
solid frigate
everything does so much damage lol
Even with Ho-Oh still doing a lot with 130 Ark iirc
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
stone trellis
Even with Ho-Oh still doing a lot with 130 Ark iirc
To be fair, Ho-oh's main attacks are a 100 BP STAB single target move and a 120 BP STAB single target move. Them being single target and not spread moves is part of the reason for it doing so much damage.
Glacial Lance would probably have a good shot at OHKOing Groudon if it was always single target.
116+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Groudon: 186-222 (92 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
I was right on the money.
solid frigate
To be fair, Ho-oh's main attacks are a 100 BP STAB single target move and a 120 ...
you don't think i know that
bold geode
To be fair, Ho-oh's main attacks are a 100 BP STAB single target move and a 120 ...
Ass bird
inner cape
So is reg I just way harder than the others bc of 2 restricteds?
near crag
How big of a problem do y'all think is having iron hands and indeedee in the same team?
bold geode
So is reg I just way harder than the others bc of 2 restricteds?
Mistakes can cost ya more but like that's really it
bold geode
How big of a problem do y'all think is having iron hands and indeedee in the sam...
Depends on the team but I'd probably just not
inner cape
Starting with Reg I felt like any mistake I made they were destroying my entire team
molten oasis
Reg I is the most punishing and probably most difficult format of SV
And starting here is definitely rough lol
near crag
Depends on the team but I'd probably just not
bc I'm trying to replace farig, but with terrain control and redirection. It has kyogre and zacian too, btw
summer shore
🦕
near crag
Is sometimes not being able to click fake out so bad?
inner cape
And starting here is definitely rough lol
Yeah the other part was just getting ahold of all the restricteds in the first place. Like I was saying earlier I have no way to get Zama so I had to find a rando to trade
bold geode
Is sometimes not being able to click fake out so bad?
I'd just not
molten oasis
Hands and Deedee don’t exist on the same team often, I wouldn’t do hands Deedee stuff personally
molten oasis
Yeah the other part was just getting ahold of all the restricteds in the first p...
Fair
inner cape
Btw I’m not giving up on scovillain solgaleo. I won’t win worlds or anything but I will find a decent team. I think I’ll try with Solgaleo as bulky as possible while keeping speed. And I’m gonna add Greninja and Whinsicott for speed synergy and a fairy type attack.
solid frigate
is metal burst good on archaludon
no
solid frigate
you want Assault Vest with Electro Shot,Flash Cannon/Heavy Slam,Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse,Body Press/Snarl
stamina as its ability pls
solid frigate
You need a dragon type move
short quiver
trust me no i dont
solid frigate
drop body press if you are going for support
Drop snarl if you making it pure offense
short quiver
wooden steeple
You need a dragon type move
you dont
body press and eshot are the 2 important ones
snarl is big too
I like draco as 4th, but flashc works too
short quiver
I like draco as 4th, but flashc works too
i want to use metal burst cuz big bulky boy but yk
short quiver
*bulky girl actually my archaludon is female
wooden steeple
yeaaa I liked metal burst for funny but its really really unreliable
solid frigate
you talking to a person who spams archaludon for 4 months in reg F
solid frigate
wooden steeple
you talking to a person who spams archaludon for 4 months in reg F
lol Ive played it more than you if thats all
short quiver
yeaaa I liked metal burst for funny but its really really unreliable
considering my team reliability is the least of my problems
wooden steeple
half of those are wolfes power herb tera electric lol
tawny kayak
How do I get my haxorus SV to know first impression ? I taught it to my flygon from swsh but it loses it when I transfer from home to SV . Tyia
summer shore
How is Shiro
Chillin
short quiver
i have 3 other mons with dragon moves archaludon doesnt need it
solid frigate
lol Ive played it more than you if thats all
Reg G 2 months,3 months in reg H wave 1
Still using it
And i never seen a high level player who does not run dragon move on Archaludon
wooden steeple
I played arch the entirety of reg G part 1 lol
I stopped in reg H cuz the sets people where playing were genuinely painful to look at
short quiver
Reg G 2 months,3 months in reg H wave 1
Still using it
And i never seen a high ...
you didn’t look at my team did you. im not here to win all my games
wooden steeple
then the wolfe sets came, those were actually good again
molten oasis
What is the purpose of this argument?
short quiver
What is the purpose of this argument?
whether or not i should have draco on my archaludon
molten oasis
Is it av?
short quiver
yes
molten oasis
If it’s av you go Draco flash cannon Eshot body press
short quiver
but i have other dragon types on the team that have dragon moves
molten oasis
It is the most consistent set for it out there
wooden steeple
If it’s av you go Draco flash cannon Eshot body press
they're snarl instead of draco rn
short quiver
and again i have other dragon types
wooden steeple
snarl instead of draco or flashc has literally seen solid play tho?
short quiver
id like to mention my archaludons set is from reg g
molten oasis
Sure, that’s perfectly fine
short quiver
so snarl was the thing
molten oasis
I still think Draco is a better move for reg h
wooden steeple
also funny tech I like to try to see if it works on specific teams: steel beam instead of either lol
short quiver
what
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
short quiver
WHY WOULD I WANT THAT 😭
wooden steeple
its hilarious trust
foggy lodge
Reg G 2 months,3 months in reg H wave 1
Still using it
And i never seen a high ...
Torviv
wooden steeple
more damage than draco, better coverage usually and if you can heal it up the downside can be less bad than -2 spa
foggy lodge
Archaludon doesn't run dragon move on AV in this format xd
short quiver
Archaludon doesn't run dragon move on AV in this format xd
THANK YOU
gentle crag
wooden steeple
Archaludon doesn't run dragon move on AV in this format xd
they do usually, but its not bad without
foggy lodge
Some do but the most common I see is eshot body press flash cannon and a 4th move between dragon pulse - draco - snarl
short quiver
i have snarl
foggy lodge
And I see mostly snarl on the erizabeth comps
molten oasis
In reg h? Really? I see Draco or dpulse all the time
cyan smelt
How often is archaludon sturdy
short quiver
rarely
foggy lodge
Decently common
short quiver
Decently common
i have never once seen a sturdy archaludon
foggy lodge
It only exists on balance comps tbh
short quiver
always been stamina in my matches
wooden steeple
btw if you really wanna do the funny metal burst Id recommend mirror coat instead, its slightly less inconsistent because it actually has the negative priority lol
foggy lodge
I remember a power herb sturdy archaludon set with tera dragon
short quiver
although my team isnt for reg h cuz wouldnt Latias be banned?
foggy lodge
It would do like 80% to P2 with draco meteor
wooden steeple
always stamina with AV, usually stalwart with power herb
wolfes perish had sturdy tera electric power herb
bold geode
Can I see the team
wooden steeple
latias isn't legal in reg H
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 4 SpA / 164 SpD / 12 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Electro Shot
- Body Press
- Snarl
- Mirror Coat
trust
short quiver
my team isnt for reg h 😕
wooden steeple
then dw about it
gentle canyon
my team isnt for reg h 😕
then what format is it for?
short quiver
J
wooden steeple
though idk what reg you're going for given this is #competitive lol
bold geode
I will say if you're playing ranked ladder that's Reg J which is like Reg I but with mythicals so this team would not work there
BUT IF YOU'RE PLAYING REG H EVENTS
Eh still kinda ass ngl
short quiver
uh where are your restricteds then lol
latias
bold geode
Latias is not a restricted
gentle canyon
J
Then you are severely underclassed when it comes to party members my good companion
wooden steeple
and you want 2 restricteds lol
gentle canyon
Yeah which a mythical takes up 1 restricted slot.
short quiver
only mythical i have is meloetta
short quiver
i dont want to use legendaries its so lame 😔
wooden steeple
then why are you playing reg J?
gentle canyon
Then why play the format?
wooden steeple
also some of them are fun 🙁
bold geode
i dont want to use legendaries its so lame 😔
You will get trashed on in Reg J then imma keep it a buck with you
short quiver
Then why play the format?
because theres no other format i can play
foggy lodge
Reg H xd
gentle canyon
because theres no other format i can play
There's showdown.
short quiver
There's showdown.
no
molten oasis
Wdym no
gentle canyon
then tough luck????
foggy lodge
Then your only bet is random link battles where everyone also use restricteds or are kids with teams from playthrough
gentle canyon
like im sorry if I'm rude here but like tough luck cuz it's either ya get with the format or ya kinda get crushed by everything you come yourself across. Max has a point.
short quiver
i could obviously trade skarmory and ampharos for legendaries
i just dont have one i want to use
wooden steeple
which ones would you like?
short quiver
reshiram but thats not gonna work at all in a rain team
wooden steeple
still that's a start
short quiver
and lugia which i dont even have
wooden steeple
you can get lugia in solo violet
gentle canyon
You can get just about all the legendaries in sv besides gen 6
short quiver
but lugia and reshi arent gonna work in this team are they
wooden steeple
better than playing without any restricteds at all probably
also do you really not want to play miriadon?
short quiver
no i dont
wooden steeple
ok
short quiver
i traded the miraidon i got from the area zero story as soon as i finished said story
wooden steeple
for koriadon?
short quiver
i think it was for a tornadus
foggy lodge
😭
wooden steeple
ouch
wooden steeple
ah then its fine prolly
short quiver
Archaludon latias lugia reshi meowscarada and blank
wooden steeple
but if it was a tornadus from a random theres a good chance its nonod 🙁
short quiver
Archaludon latias lugia reshi meowscarada and blank
i do have a basculegion maybe for the last slot
gentle canyon
i traded the miraidon i got from the area zero story as soon as i finished said ...
You can always put your ride miraidon on a battle team.
wooden steeple
You can always put your ride miraidon on a battle team.
they did say they don't wanna
short quiver
but if it was a tornadus from a random theres a good chance its nonod 🙁
no it was a GTS trade in home
foggy lodge
Okay but what is your team for
gentle canyon
they did say they don't wanna
True.
wooden steeple
ladder I assume
foggy lodge
Is it just random battles or real competitive
short quiver
ladder
gentle canyon
But yeah I agree with max on this, but also what's your team trying to achieve that's my question.
wooden steeple
you could go kyogre
wooden steeple
basculegion is really good
gentle canyon
I don't think meowscarada can hold up in this format but test us luck ig? Basculegion works because of swift swim.
short quiver
I don't think meowscarada can hold up in this format but test us luck ig? Bascul...
i used it in reg I
it actually did not that bad
wooden steeple
basc won a regionals at least, can't be bad
foggy lodge
Basculegion is good
gentle canyon
I mean with mythicals running around it's a different story I've been talking about meow not basc, basc is great.
wooden steeple
kyogre archaludon latias meowscarada lugia and… my basculegion maybe?
those 6 should be good enough 🙂
short quiver
I mean with mythicals running around it's a different story I've been talking ab...
i was also talking about meow
i used it in reg i and it did not that bad
matter of fact i used it in a kyogre basculegion rain team
i love rain
foggy lodge
Not that bad doesn't give me good vibes ngl
wooden steeple
nice
short quiver
Not that bad doesn't give me good vibes ngl
not that bad is good enough for me
gentle canyon
Not that bad doesn't give me good vibes ngl
Ngl yeah..
wooden steeple
valid
wooden steeple
sounds good
short quiver
id go choice band and add thunder punch but idk id have to test it
gentle canyon
Just use knock off if your sashed.
wooden steeple
I like sash there
short quiver
Just use knock off if your sashed.
someone told me use sucker punch for dark stab
was i lied to
gentle canyon
Knock off also provides utility.
wooden steeple
run knock off and sucker both usually
short quiver
run knock off and sucker both usually
but my other three moves are protect axel and flower trick
wooden steeple
Id drop axel
short quiver
id like to say my triple axel one shot a miraidon
meowscarada was my goat in that match
gentle canyon
Tera fairy.
wooden steeple
actually Id go scarf
wooden steeple
how would you like scarf flower trick knock off axel u turn?
lofty tartan
Id drop axel
Protean Triple Axel is one of the reasons to even bother with Meowscarada, beyond it being a favorite here.
wooden steeple
yea just feels a lil unreliable without wide lense
short quiver
yea just feels a lil unreliable without wide lense
tell that to the miraidon i deleted
foggy lodge
Tsareena does
short quiver
im willing to take a 10% gamble
foggy lodge
Tho that's mainly because it also uses power whip
lofty tartan
Tsareena does
Tsareena also plays Power Whip
wooden steeple
It's 90% accurate.
yea that makes 73% to get all 3 hits
lofty tartan
You want Sash, Scarf, or Band with Meow.
wooden steeple
Tsareena also plays Power Whip
power whip is more accurate than axel
short quiver
if i go band can i use thunder punch 🙂
wooden steeple
axel is the reason for lenxe on tsereena
wooden steeple
if i go band can i use thunder punch 🙂
Id rather u turn tbh
lofty tartan
power whip is more accurate than axel
85%
wooden steeple
and whip goes 85% -> 93%
axel goes 73% -> 97%
lofty tartan
Wide Lens adds 1.1x
wooden steeple
wide lense is x1.1
lofty tartan
1.1x and x1.1 are the same
foggy lodge
Xd
wooden steeple
yea
short quiver
🤦♂️
wooden steeple
what your problem with what I wrote then lmao
wooden steeple
I wouldn't bother with guard split
lofty tartan
So it goes from 90% to 97% for individual hits, but it doesn't go from 73% - 97% for total hits cumulative.
I don't see where you're getting 24% from Wide Lens.
wooden steeple
So it goes from 90% to 97% for individual hits, but it doesn't go from 73% - 97%...
it goes from 90% to 99% on individuals and from 73% to 97% total?
lofty tartan
No
wooden steeple
when did I say 24%?
short quiver
73+24=97
lofty tartan
You said it goes from 73 -> 97%
lofty tartan
73% is percent chance to hit all 3 hits
Wide Lens does not make it jump to 97% for all three hits.
wooden steeple
it does
lofty tartan
No it doesn't lmfao
wooden steeple
it makes every individual hit 99%
lofty tartan
You'll need something like Scarf or Sash with Miraidon and friends around.
wooden steeple
scarf is good
short quiver
back to my question do you think i could get away with thunder punch
lofty tartan
I don't think it's good.
wooden steeple
yea Id go u turn
lofty tartan
If Scarf definitely U-TUrn.
wooden steeple
also with scarf actually go knock off instead of sucker punch
short quiver
I wouldn't bother with guard split
so a dragon type move probably?
wooden steeple
yea
short quiver
or could i go like icy wind or something supportive like that
wooden steeple
draco is always good
short quiver
or could i go like icy wind or something supportive like that
maybe dragon cheer for archaludon or smthn
wooden steeple
nah
wooden steeple
probably calm mind leftovers
short quiver
nope life orb is on basculegion
short quiver
probably calm mind leftovers
so treat it like rappa
wooden steeple
rappa?
short quiver
terapagos
wooden steeple
yea
wooden steeple
yes
short quiver
mr snackworth, we have much to discuss
dense latch
why use lugia over pagos
dense latch
oh ok so just personal attachment that’s fine
short quiver
i have to complete the story to get mr snackworth dont i
dense latch
what format are you planning on playing?
dense latch
are you looking to improve the team, and/or willing to change any of those mons?
short quiver
im willing to reason to change some people around id prefer not to if possible
i also have to obtain a lugia first
important step
foggy lodge
@dense latch lmfao https://x.com/FedeCampoVGC/status/1955035794718200061
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short quiver
are you looking to improve the team, and/or willing to change any of those mons?
why whatcha got for me
dense latch
<@689848760909561965> lmfao https://x.com/FedeCampoVGC/status/195503579471820006...
the power of la mufa
dense latch
why whatcha got for me
lugia, arch, meowscarada and latias are very outclassed as pokemon in reg j, if you want to use them it's perfectly fine, just know that from a strength standpoint you're putting yourself at a disadvantage
short quiver
lugia, arch, meowscarada and latias are very outclassed as pokemon in reg j, if ...
i know that
im using mons i love
hell id use absol too if i had a way to fit it in the team
dense latch
do you have any sets planned for these mons on a pokepaste by any chance
best course of action would probably be to try and make these mons as viable as possible
short quiver
i got scarf Cat av drawbridge covert cloak latias and was told leftovers lugia
and then basculegion has life orb and kyogre has mystic water
dense latch
that's pretty good
short quiver
problem is i gotta deafeat the blueberry academy elite 4 to get mr snackworth so i can get a lugia
i did the dlc on scarlet i apparently didnt do it on violet
dense latch
what are you using latias for? is it setting up tailwind or just icy winds
short quiver
tailwind raindance
and im thinking about dragon cheer to buff archaludon more but idk
and for actual attack i have mist ball
dense latch
nah i wouldn't recommend dragon cheer
short quiver
nah i wouldn't recommend dragon cheer
sadge
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/03b7f2eb2e02b407 this is the best i could come up with
short quiver
i had guard split but was told not to bother with it
dense latch
i do feel like you're lacking support, there's not much helping lugia get calm minds up
short quiver
my team is also slightly offensive
dense latch
terapagos teams usually have several forms of disruption with fake out or redirection
yea not sure how well lugia's gonna in hyper offense
short quiver
https://pokepast.es/03b7f2eb2e02b407 this is the best i could come up with
can i keep tera water on kyogre?