#competitive_discussion

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molten oasis
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And it would legit just be reg I again I think

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Which idt anyone wants

lofty tartan
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Like Shiny Mew and Shiny Arceus are even trade-banned in this server because they're so rare, or through methods obtainable via real world cash. milk_shrug

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It's just extremely unlikely someone is going to come looking to trade their Shiny Arceus for regular shinies.

polar canyon
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I think everyone does agree that mythicals in vgc is detrimental to the game

shadow wind
polar canyon
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But I do love complaining in a chat

lofty tartan
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I don't have one yet but that's just because I'm too busy and too lazy to soft reset for it right now.

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I'll have one eventually milk_shrug

shadow wind
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I shiny hunted for that buttery fella for ages in BDSP

polar canyon
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Piss god

wind sparrow
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i barely got voilet with my birthday money

polar canyon
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Extreme speed piss arceus + chien poo would go hard

dense latch
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i started a darkrai hunt back when it first dropped i dont think i can even go back before catching it so arceus hunt is off limits for now

polar canyon
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The hyper offensive piss and shit combo

lofty tartan
molten oasis
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I don’t have that kind of patience lol

polar canyon
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I did a soft reset legendary hunt one time and it didn't take too long

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Pretty easy in fact

molten oasis
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If I shiny hunt it’s cuz the shiny isn’t that hard to get or I really want it, which hasn’t happened in a bit

polar canyon
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I don't think it took me even an hour to get a shiny articuno

lofty tartan
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I don't mind difficult hunts but full odds soft resets and cutscenes are a drag.

molten oasis
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I also don’t hunt cuz of rarity I hunt cuz I like them

polar canyon
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You're real for that

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What game do you even hunt for piss arceus in tho

wind sparrow
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i would love a good shiny

molten oasis
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Bdsp? Idk

lofty tartan
molten oasis
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Real lol

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I got shinies for all my favorites I think

polar canyon
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How many favorites is that

lofty tartan
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If it's VGC-relevant, though, I hunt multiples milk_shrug

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I still have like 2 boxes of shiny Electabuzz to give away because I was mark hunting.

wind sparrow
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i wish shiny garchomp was good he just has less saturation tho

polar canyon
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I do have shinies for my like top 3 pokemon of all time

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Eiscue has an awesome shiny

molten oasis
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Which has been my top 3 for a long time

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Kinda wanna do the favorites thing again sometime

polar canyon
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It's painful to have a competitively unviable list of favorite mons

molten oasis
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Is that your list?

polar canyon
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Pyukumuku butterfree eiscue

molten oasis
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Oof

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Yeah those guys are not good unfortunately

polar canyon
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Pyukumuku is usable in singles barely

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When its even usable but my guy is not in gen 9

molten oasis
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Yeah that sucks

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Things have grown on me playing competitive but a9 pult and Zac have been favorites for a long time

foggy lodge
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Butterfree was fine in early sw/sh

polar canyon
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You can't look at any of my 3 guys and not think those are some cool fellas

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Such guys

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They're so pokemon

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Butterfly with them big ass feet big ass eyes

solid frigate
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meanwhile me:

Greninja,Iron Crown and Syleon

wind sparrow
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guys i thought of something dumb

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item that increases crits but u get crit'ed more often

sharp escarp
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Anyone think iron crown would go good with Miraidon

left bobcat
wind sparrow
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lunala

dull ibex
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Bear (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 36 HP / 216 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Aqua Jet
  • Taunt
  • Detect
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was told i needed bulk

wind sparrow
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???

left bobcat
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Just use a sash

dull ibex
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well nobody told me what kinda bulk i need when i asked lmao

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no its scarf or mystic

left bobcat
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Just go with scarf

wind sparrow
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I wish there was move with the implacation that if u faint a pokemon with it it dies

left bobcat
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A bulky ursh would have less speed

dull ibex
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im okay with that

left bobcat
wind sparrow
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no

dull ibex
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my only issues with scarf is the original team had myustic

left bobcat
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So the moveset would need a rework

dull ibex
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Bear (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Aqua Jet
  • Taunt
  • Detect
solid frigate
dull ibex
left bobcat
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Hmmmmm

solid frigate
dull ibex
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but without the roaring moon

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I also want taunt on my team

left bobcat
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I use one with 4 speed ursh 💀

dull ibex
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I don't care what the evs are as long as i can use taunt on it

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ive wanted taunt too many games not to include it

solid frigate
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Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 44 HP / 212 Atk / 4 Def / 156 SpD / 92 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Close Combat
  • Aqua Jet
  • Detect

@dull ibex should live a normal thunderclap

dull ibex
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just explain what the bulk does

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if this works

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should i edit my rapid strike in game or just get a new one 🤔

molten oasis
left bobcat
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Yeah I too had the 156 special def and 44 hp

dull ibex
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so i plugged in iron jugulis

molten oasis
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Do you need someone to get you a moon?

dull ibex
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got it shiny too

molten oasis
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Ah, ig that works

solid frigate
dull ibex
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it really is only that

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LMAO

solid frigate
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outspeeds most CM Pagos, and murders Shadow Rider with Surging Strikes in rain and lives Jolly lorb Koraidon Close Combat in No weather

dull ibex
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what item do you run?

left bobcat
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MYSTIC WATERRRRR

dull ibex
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Im running mystic

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I was just curious is torrent also did

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or if he is sash

solid frigate
dull ibex
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fair

left bobcat
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Ursh would mostly run a sash/mystic water/scarf

solid frigate
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but Reg I i run Scarf just to outspeed CSR while working in rain

Otherwise i run mystic water for bulky Urshifu

dull ibex
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ill keep scarf on cart then

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I have no idea what my jugulis does tbh

chrome knot
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cherish ball living legend dnite or love ball teensy dnite

dense latch
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love ball teensy more unique

polar canyon
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Teensy is funny

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Getting beat up by a miniature dnite

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The size of a small child

dull ibex
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what do you guys think of the team btw?

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maybe I need to compile notes again

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since ill be stick to this archetype for the restricted formats

polar canyon
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Would it be bad to use rilla over amoonguss?

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Maybe it would idk

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I like packing landorus when doing kyogre just so I have a sure way to at the very least threaten miraidon into a tera

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And make opponents more careful about switching it in

foggy lodge
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I forgot how broken Electabuzz Blursa was

shadow wind
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I forgot how awesome Bo1 was

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(I’m lying)

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But I did go 18-7 cause my buddy was saying he was cracked at 1290

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67% GXE 🥀

molten oasis
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Hit 1400

dull ibex
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man I can't decide if i want to keep scarf or use the bulk

shadow wind
molten oasis
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both

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i was top 20 for a bit, kinda hype

shadow wind
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Oh goat

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Nah I hate Bo1, I just needed to prove a point

molten oasis
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real lol

shadow wind
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I learnt nothing through all my games

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And that’s a bad sign

rustic mountain
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u can never be cracked at 1290

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even on day 3

shadow wind
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To be fair it’s top 200 right now

rustic mountain
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doesnt matter

molten oasis
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hey i feel good about my day 3 top 20 on bo1 ladder

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because im barely gonna play the rest of the year

shadow wind
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Hey a leaderboard is a leaderboard

rustic mountain
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so its a bit different

molten oasis
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fair

rustic mountain
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nice tho

molten oasis
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kinda burned out of tera but it feels so much better to deal with in this format

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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pfff

dull ibex
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what do i do about dondozo

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ive been rekt by everyone

molten oasis
shadow wind
molten oasis
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or reg h ladder?

dull ibex
molten oasis
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paste?

shadow wind
dull ibex
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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There's so much Annihilape on high ladder damn

molten oasis
shadow wind
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I don’t mind Tera in low power formats

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And I hate Tera

molten oasis
foggy lodge
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I've fought like 3 of the top 15 of bo3 and they all had Annihilape

shadow wind
molten oasis
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tera ground jugulis is, smth

foggy lodge
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We have to use Ape

shadow wind
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Actually I was using Maya’s old team

foggy lodge
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But nah Ape is super good rn

dull ibex
foggy lodge
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Good into Incin, dengo, archa, gambit, baxca, ursa

molten oasis
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you play amoonguss and preserve amoonguss into dozo

rustic mountain
shadow wind
dull ibex
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what does amoongus do here?

molten oasis
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spore

rustic mountain
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what doesnt shroom do

shadow wind
foggy lodge
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Clear smog/sludge bomb

molten oasis
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has neither

foggy lodge
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Even on reg G my Dozo MU was purely carried by Amoonguss

dull ibex
rustic mountain
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whats ur dozo mu

molten oasis
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maybe consider either

shadow wind
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Also I wanted to play mons and Bo3 on mobile is like running a marathon backwards

dull ibex
rustic mountain
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def need to have one

dull ibex
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I also struggle against zama teams

foggy lodge
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If I fished the poison of sludge bomb in the first turns that Dozo was out it was just an autowin

rustic mountain
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oh this is reg i? fuck dozo then

molten oasis
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maybe uh, sludge bomb/clear smog over protect or pollen puff

molten oasis
foggy lodge
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Ehh against Dozo with your team

shadow wind
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Yeah I was going to say if it’s not Reg H then Dozo barely exists

rustic mountain
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tf is running dozo these days i thought we were talkin reg h

foggy lodge
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I think you have to do Jugulis Kyogre Urshifu in the back

molten oasis
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Zac sucks ass into dozo

foggy lodge
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Dozo is always on CSR Korai Weezing comps so I would just drop Zac there

dull ibex
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can you guys help me figure out basic leads against common teams?

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I think that's my biggest struggling point rn

foggy lodge
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Oh but you have Amoonguss no?

shadow wind
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Man I’m watching an old SwSh Wolfey vid and I miss old protean

foggy lodge
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Go sludge bomb 100%

molten oasis
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zama CSR=Kyogre jugulis

foggy lodge
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Sludge bomb is the way for Amoonguss in reg I

molten oasis
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usually you go moon

foggy lodge
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Too much tera grass Zama for Kyogre and Amoonguss can win that 1v1

molten oasis
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but you dont have moon so, you do that

dull ibex
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If i can get a moon i will put in here

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or jugulis works i may just keep it

molten oasis
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CSR Korai, hm

shadow wind
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Why does Chomp not have Ddance?

molten oasis
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does chomp need ddance

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its fast enough when its relevant and SD is awesome

foggy lodge
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I would just lead Kyogre Jugulis into that MU lmao

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You force them to have Koraidon or Weezing in the back

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Basically force them to switch turn 1

molten oasis
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when in doubt, i'd say just kyogre jugulis

shadow wind
dull ibex
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what matchups do i lead zacian

molten oasis
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CIR Mirai is not that lead tho, may have to lead zac

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Zacian is usualy not a lead mon

shadow wind
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Especially if they have Incin

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Say good bye to intrepid sword

molten oasis
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and unfortunately every team has incin

foggy lodge
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The worst lead they can do against you is Weezing Koraidon which wins them the weather war but then you can get tailwind up and go into Urshifu to take the hits

molten oasis
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uh, CIR Mirai, probably amoonguss kyogre tbh

dull ibex
foggy lodge
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Zac Amoonguss

molten oasis
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into Incin?

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every CIR Mirai has an incin

foggy lodge
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Or Ursh Zac

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Tho Ursh Zac forces 50/50

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I think you are most likely to win those 50/50s

dull ibex
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so so far

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Common leads into meta
Zamazenta CSR= Kyogre Jugulis
CSR Koraidon= Kyogre Jugulis
CIR Miraidon= Kyogre Amoongus

foggy lodge
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Like you are threatening a protect, a tera, a SE hit into both of their mons

dull ibex
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so i just lead kyogre

molten oasis
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ig you're swords dance zac here

dull ibex
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maybe leading zacian is what's losing me games

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what do into tornogre

molten oasis
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uhm

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this is where moon would be better

solid frigate
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wtf are you doing

molten oasis
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COOKING

solid frigate
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at least mine makes a bit sense due to i am using Sylveon in rain-

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shadow wind
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Wait

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Ttar Drill

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How could I forget the goats

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Reg H is now fun again

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Drill got some goofy stats

fluid fiber
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What are good EV spreads for Koraidon and Lunala?

jade dust
foggy lodge
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Imagine getting out of reg I and inmediatly start playing Volca Inci Amoonguss Grimmsnarl

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🥀

shadow wind
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Team 4 is nasty work

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I mess with that

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Those top 3 teams are almost all the exact same

fluid fiber
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Wth is Pikachu doinh

shadow wind
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Indeedee, Sneasler, Talonflame, Blursa, Evioliter, + Something

fluid fiber
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SUNFLORA

molten oasis
shadow wind
fluid fiber
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Also whats a good Lunala spread

foggy lodge
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btw the ursalunas are restricted pokemon

molten oasis
dull ibex
cyan smelt
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What is sunflora doing

dull ibex
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WAIT REG H

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I CAN BRING BACK ARMAROUGE

cyan smelt
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Armarouge is still good but niche in reg I, you can use brute bonnet sucker punch into side slot to trigger weakness policy

foggy lodge
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Why is unburden activation into dire claw sleep/paralyze a real combo

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Absolutely 0 different than Smeargle fake out into +2 speed boost

shadow wind
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Yes !

foggy lodge
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Istg delete dire claw delete dire claw delete dire claw

shadow wind
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This is why we’re all running misty terrain

foggy lodge
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I was using dengo

shadow wind
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Tera dark throat chop 🥀

foggy lodge
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And every single Sneasler I've found now is throat chop tera dark

shadow wind
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Yeah

foggy lodge
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The built in counter you could have no longer exists because yeah the mon has a move to kill it

dull ibex
shadow wind
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Gliscor 🔥🔥

foggy lodge
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Imagine having to use shit mons to not lose to rng

shadow wind
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Don’t have to imagine it

foggy lodge
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Actually yeah its just the reality

shadow wind
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Corv does a decent job

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Any steel type that can take a cc does a decent job

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Which is like 2 mons

dull ibex
foggy lodge
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I just think its so dumb because Sneasler is like actually the fastest pokemon in the whole game

shadow wind
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Yup

foggy lodge
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Unburden can be activated turn 1 and inmediatly makes it faster than everything

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And then you add the chance to just inflict status that can win you the game if you roll them

shadow wind
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Sounds like Smeargle 🥀

molten oasis
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reg h is a good format, sneasler is that thorn in its side

shadow wind
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Boutta run idbp Corv

foggy lodge
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And I've said its just dire claw

shadow wind
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Oh yeah no dire claw Sneasler is just a weaker Urshifu

foggy lodge
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Reg H but banning dire claw would be the best format

shadow wind
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I’d rather have Urshifu in the format than Sneasler

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Which might be a crazy take

foggy lodge
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Nah 100%

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I'd rather reg G but I take this over reg I lmfao

shadow wind
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Real

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Reg G might be peak unfortunately

dull ibex
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I like this format

foggy lodge
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Me

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Electric terrain lowkey our saviour

shadow wind
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I miss you Miraidon

foggy lodge
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Yeah nvm we are fine on this side of the street

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Oh so

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Iamsliverfish is actually Louis Milich

shadow wind
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Sorry who?

foggy lodge
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The account you said you fought a lot in reg G

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Actually I might swap to Electabuzz Blursa because

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I was having problems with Amoonguss and I just got destroyed by someone with it ealier today and I remembered that it was broken lmao

fluid fiber
foggy lodge
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Nah they are all trash

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Except Ape but defiant is way too good

fluid fiber
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Yeah valid

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Ribombee is like- almost good

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If that counts for anything

shadow wind
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I also don’t know any players

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They always ran Tera ground CSR in Reg G

fluid fiber
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So what're people running for Reg H? Anything fun?

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I've been busy today so I haven't been able to watch the chat

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I saw a Sunflora earlier but that's about it

shadow wind
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It’s all Sneasler Indeedee Blursa

fluid fiber
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Damn

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Time to try and find something fun to beat that

foggy lodge
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And weathers

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Sash Blursa beats those teams tho

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I really fuck w sash blursa

shadow wind
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Sash Blursa 🥀

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Does like 20% to Ttar with ep

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I love Ttar

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It’s just Groudon but not a restricted

foggy lodge
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So better

dull ibex
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@molten oasis you still around?

shadow wind
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But Corv likes pseed

cyan smelt
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Remember that guy who always plays ttar lycanroc

molten oasis
dull ibex
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Do you have a spare roaring moon?

jade dust
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I might be cooking here

foggy lodge
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I also don't like Excadrill here lol

cyan smelt
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Lycanroc lol

molten oasis
dull ibex
shadow wind
dull ibex
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I like jugulis well enough but these teams have moon for a reason

shadow wind
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Knock off is awesome

cyan smelt
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Electrofuria how about gholdengo

shadow wind
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As well as Roaring moon outspeeds Modest Miraidon

cyan smelt
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Does it outspeed timid calyrex shadow

shadow wind
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Hmm let me think

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Nah probably not

cyan smelt
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Oh well can't have everything

dull ibex
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Dragon (Roaring Moon) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 36 HP / 212 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Tailwind
  • Acrobatics
  • Knock Off
  • Protect
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Opinions?

cyan smelt
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was just watching a reg j game and someone did psychic seed minimise drifblim into dozogirl lmao

stone trellis
dull ibex
stone trellis
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I can't help but notice that you intentionally lowered the Attack on it to run a smidge more bulk.

dull ibex
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Jugulis was working fine too but eh

stone trellis
dull ibex
stone trellis
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Yeah.

dull ibex
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It was the pikalytics spread

stone trellis
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Cool.

cyan smelt
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i realised pecharunt can use venoshock so i'm running poison gas and venoshock now

dull ibex
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I just copied pikalytics lmao

stone trellis
cyan smelt
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double damage when target is poisoned

stone trellis
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Isn't that just Hex, but worse in every way except for the extra 5 BP?

cyan smelt
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it's for when i can't hit arceus normal with hex

stone trellis
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Why use the shit Poison move instead of the chad Ghost move that covers for damn near everything?

cyan smelt
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i'm using both

stone trellis
cyan smelt
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wide lens

stone trellis
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It's Beat Up, not PopBomb.

cyan smelt
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hm then what do they usually hold

stone trellis
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No idea.

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That's why I didn't give it anything.

cyan smelt
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sash maybe according to munchstats

stone trellis
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Sash is taken by Pelipper.

cyan smelt
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berry?

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goggles?

stone trellis
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You cooked.

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Now I can freely redirect Spore from Amoonguss without a care in the world.

cyan smelt
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amogus

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if i ever see a darkrai i'm never bringing pecharunt

stone trellis
cyan smelt
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anything with no miraidon is fun

stone trellis
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I like Miraidon.

cyan smelt
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it seems unfair that arceus holding a plate can tera

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i forgot how good mausape is

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even if you get rid of the bulk up boosts you still have to deal with rage fist

knotty mirage
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I have question does arceus multitype got affected by neutralizing gas ?

jade dust
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I came up with a new funny team

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@stone trellis

stone trellis
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Just get Gothitelle in this bitch and you've got Perish Trap.

jade dust
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The plan is to use perish trap while giri is in, then switch in Dozo before giri faints

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Once giri faints I can switch in Sylveon and psych up

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Doubling her stats too

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I added Archaludon to have a rain mode

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And Ursaluna to counter trick room

stone trellis
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This is smart.

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But the Perish thing was more of a joke.

jade dust
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You can also get rid of giri by using something like, toxic orb or black sludge

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But this is faster

stone trellis
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Toxic Orb would take around 5 or 6 turns, so it's not really optimal.

jade dust
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By that point the battle might be over already lol

stone trellis
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Why does Politoed have so much bulk if it's holding the Focus Sash?

jade dust
stone trellis
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Alright.

jade dust
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I’m thinking cover cloak

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Or Idk

stone trellis
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No idea.

cyan smelt
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Lefties or berry?

stone trellis
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"Hm, I wonder what item I should give to this bulky Pokemon that likes staying alive."
Sitrus and Lefties:

jade dust
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Dozo has leftovers

stone trellis
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Does anyone have the Sitrus Berry?

true niche
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why dark type tera for calyrex -shadow rider?

stone trellis
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CSR is normally 4x weak to Ghost and Dark moves.

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Terastallizing to Dark turns both of those double weaknesses into resistances.

true niche
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i mean i used to see fairy tera a lot

cyan smelt
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I must've played the only tera fighting caly shadow in reg J earlier

stone trellis
stone trellis
cyan smelt
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Or chi yu or chien pao

stone trellis
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?

cyan smelt
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Nvm I misunderstood

jade dust
stone trellis
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You're right.

cyan smelt
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Yeah but usually astral barrage finishes them off before it can get a body press off

jade dust
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I honestly want tera types to be gone. A lot of stuff is balanced out by their terrible typing

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Caly shadow being one of those

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I also would like if showdown had the option to force open team sheets

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Not having to both players agree to see it, but forced to share it

chrome knot
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best of 3 does

jade dust
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But those take forever which is the problem

chrome knot
jade dust
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I like bo3 but you take 20 mins to get 6 elo

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at high elo

chrome knot
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something tells me practice shouldn’t be abt the elo

jade dust
#

But traveling is pretty hard for me

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I wish I could play in tourneys

cyan smelt
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ok i love pecharunt now

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it's surprisingly tanky

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and immune to fake out and e-speed

ocean pawn
fluid wind
foggy lodge
#

The opposing Porygon2 used Ice Beam!
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
(Foxy lost 84.3% of its health!)
Foxy was frozen solid!

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I fucking love reg H

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They also frozened my Pelipper

stone trellis
foggy lodge
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My Dragonite!!

stone trellis
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Why do you call him Foxy?

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He is, evidently, not a fox.

foggy lodge
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The whole team is named after the fnaf characters

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Ursaluna is Freddy and Gholdengo is Golden Freddy

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Pelipper is chica

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Dragonite is Foxy because of extreme speed

stone trellis
#

The first two made sense, but you lost me on Pelipper.

foggy lodge
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Its the most similar thing I could have to chica

stone trellis
#

Pelipper and (Toy) Bonnie have such a similar color scheme, how could you miss that?

foggy lodge
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I wanted the og squad

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Archaludon is Springtrap

stone trellis
#

Annihilape should be Mike.

foggy lodge
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Yes but I don't have Ape

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Sinistcha had to be Bonnie to fit

stone trellis
#

Cool.

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I think I should cook some nicknames for my own team.

late condor
#

has anyone tried to make a pecharunt team? I'm trying different build but i'm not really getting anywhere.

solid frigate
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@jade dust

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red willow
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Follow me hurts my brain

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Like when do I use

next stump
#

to protect your damage dealers usually

red willow
#

So basically trading one mon for keeping something else alive

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I was confused on how so many frail follow me users were supposed to tank that damage lol

stone trellis
#

Like what?

stone trellis
#

Follow Me/Rage Powder also make moves like Sucker Punch or Thunderclap fail, which doesn't damage the redirector.

shadow wind
#

Or if it’s a safety goggles spore situation

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Follow me has a lot of use

dull ibex
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108/196/4/0/180/20

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This is an urshifu spread lmao

stone trellis
#

Maybe pivoting moves too, to a lesser extent.

bold geode
chrome knot
#

what goes here as last two slots

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oh this is jus justin tangs toronto team lmao

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ik what to do

bold geode
#

How is Grassy Seed Dengo for you?

chrome knot
#

it just lives

bold geode
#

I see

heady onyx
#

These are utility moves but as far as calling them pillars is a bit disproportionate

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Protect is a staple, the rest is on a very limited distribution anyway

stone trellis
#

I just like to hype shit up, to be honest.

heady onyx
#

Hype can be wrong though

stone trellis
#

Never said it was right.

heady onyx
#

you called them pillars bruh

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meanwhile I run no redirection on my competitive VGC team

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and I'm not running into much issues

stone trellis
#

So because you don't run redirection and have encountered no issues, that means I thought I was correct in what I said?

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I'm either dumb or missing something.

heady onyx
stone trellis
#

Either way, I'm not going to argue with you.

heady onyx
#

there is no argument

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redirection isn't a pillar when it's a niche moveset distribution

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protect is a staplre

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fake out is control or utility

chrome knot
#

lol this team is kinda good

dull ibex
#

What elo on showdown is equal to ultra ball?

heady onyx
#

even master ball is piss low mmr depending on your rating

dull ibex
#

What is 1200 equal too

heady onyx
#

nothing

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master ball tier on switch is easy to acquire

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you don't lose progression if you actually lose games

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if you can push top 100 at the end of the month on cart, you're very good at the game

dull ibex
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I would say I'm not good at all the I'm hard stuck in ultra

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But also pokemon is hard dude

heady onyx
#

its not super hard imo

dull ibex
#

Because you're probably decent at it

heady onyx
#

or i play harder games in comparison

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like you got time to think things through

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vs reacting in real time to what's happening

dull ibex
#

It's not mechanical hard

heady onyx
#

like 50% of the work in CTS Bo1 is getting the lead right

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you can snowball very fast from a good lead (or calling out their lead and anti-leading)

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if you have a team that has a good matchup spread into the metagame, you can get a lot of wins

dull ibex
#

Sorry top level play is hard

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You face anyone decent and it's a decent battle

heady onyx
#

i dont think so

dull ibex
#

I can snowball randoms something for sure

heady onyx
#

it is a volatile way to label things

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''decent'' doesn't carry meaning

dull ibex
#

Competent?

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Someone not shit at the game

heady onyx
#

how do you assess competence ?!?!

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what's the breakpoint from being shit and not shit

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trying to put numbers on a game that doesn't care about them is just wrong imo

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The song told us what the game was about... ''I want to be the very best like no one ever was''

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Strive for greatness and don't stop yourself on clunky ways to overcomplex the game for no actual benefits

dull ibex
#

Dude. Lmao

heady onyx
#

I mean this

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Too many players stop themself on volatile points

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When all they should be doing is play more games

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Comparison is the theft of joy

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It also breeds insane degree of toxicity

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I've coached players in league of legends, and you can't discuss basic things with some stubborn ones, they think they're a god while they're ranked below average.

dull ibex
#

im not doing all that

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I just think pokemon is a hard game

polar canyon
#

Most people basically

dull ibex
bold geode
chrome knot
#

its also kinda fun

bold geode
chrome knot
#

the dumb grin i had on my face clicking encore for game

dull ibex
#

im not leading right and getting obvious plays wrong

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im also not playing safe enough

chrome knot
#

@bold geode think imma commit to this team for a little LOL

dull ibex
#

I also found a team i want to commit too

bold geode
dull ibex
#

monke did you ever look at my notes? anything i can add

bold geode
# dull ibex I also found a team i want to commit too

Anyways I think going forward we don't need to think about where we're at or where we are hard stuck
Just like
Basically ask yourself after every game if you did the best that you could in that game
How many mistakes did you make, were those mistakes actually reasonable or not, yada yada

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Also no I didn't look at the notes

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But like yeah imma say it
I'm like
Almost at the point where I just think ELOs and ladder placements mean Jack shit

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Like sure they can say some stuff but numbers never tell the whole story

dull ibex
#

my elo isnt my probelm

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my win loss is the thing i have issue with

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I would love to hit masterball again on my own though

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that would feel nice

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I think i have the knowledge and room to improve

chrome knot
#

plays feel so fluent

bold geode
#

I also like the fact Harc A9 can go Rock Slide Blizzard and fuck with dice rolls so much

dull ibex
chrome knot
#

i just like how much they compliment each other

bold geode
# dull ibex I think i have the knowledge and room to improve

See like
Imma be honest
You're gonna fuckin suck
You're actually taking time to get back into it after a good while
You're rusty AF
But like
RN I think it's better to note down why and try to work on those things
Cuz like if you improve on certain issues and overall play better
All the numbers and shit will fix themselves

dull ibex
#

yeah its been what 3 months?

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more since i tried

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tbf monke i've always sucked at restricted formats

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not an excuse but it is what is

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ill see what i can do notes wise

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I think im too afraid of switching

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and I don't respect fake out

bold geode
#

Other than the mindset, the only other issue I see is like
Idt it's a fear of switching or anything
I just
There's moments where I feel you're not conscious about what you're doing

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Like there's a lot of moments where the click button ideology is happening

dull ibex
#

yeah for sure

bold geode
#

Like I get you're playing offensive stuff
And you're going for big damage
But that's a big reason why you should be thinking a good bit about whether or not what you're doing is the best thing you could do

dull ibex
#

I can't play braindead

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not like early formats

polar canyon
#

When playing defensive I just try to consider what the worst plausible thing to happen might be

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I'm pretty sure the right play is just cover for the most possibilities tho

bold geode
dull ibex
#

you don't think i was playing braindead in reg b?

bold geode
#

Like I mean
There are some turns where you can just do this and this and there's nothing your opponent can do but there's just like
A lot of small factors that you miss all the time

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Cuz you're just not thinking about them cuz you're zoned in to "I need to do big damage, what buttons does the most damage"

bold geode
dull ibex
#

fair

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wish tofu was here lmao

polar canyon
#

I've never actually tried tofu

minor geyser
#

Which Tera is preferred on a Baxcalibur?

polar canyon
#

Wonder how it tastes

dull ibex
#

ill stream vgc later

minor geyser
#

Poison?

dull ibex
#

im going to play some wind waker

foggy lodge
next stump
bold geode
#

Though tbh it helped me not having him around weirdly
Had to figure shit out myself

dull ibex
#

fair

chrome knot
#

@next stump @bold geode if u laugh u go to hell

#

im sitting @ clinic trying not to laugh playin this one

bold geode
#

My God your opponent just made all the wrong moves KekHands

chrome knot
#

I KNOW ITS SO FUNNNYYY

#

like bro cmon do somethinggggg

bold geode
#

I felt like I watched your opponent just fail every QTE possible

chrome knot
#

looking at literally every turn going what is he doinnngggg

#

tera water seed ghold walling incin is so fucking funny

bold geode
#

You didn't even do anything crazy

#

Also just fuckin like
Tera on the Gholdengo should've been like a silver fuckin platter for that Sneasler KEKW

chrome knot
#

im +1 def and he is -2atk he is doing nothing i fear

bold geode
#

Dire Claw on that Dengo would've went nuts with some gambling

chrome knot
#

yeah well im just a girl so

#

it was never doing anything to me

bold geode
#

But yeah no just every possible turn, bro flopped so hard he's out the pond

chrome knot
#

and

#

because its not all “opponent played bad” i played quite fucking good

bold geode
#

Yeah thing is you played good but like
I'd understand him playing THAT BAD if you were just constantly making fat reads he was constantly getting wrong but like
Those are all just safe plays

chrome knot
#

they were all just

#

normal plays looking at boardstate lol

#

not rly safe

#

just normal lol

bold geode
#

Yeah he was making normal plays look like highlights

#

Like making a highlight reel of an NBA player and putting only videos in it of them passing the ball regularly

#

Honestly wanna know what was going on inside that cranium

chrome knot
#

dunno

#

i just played better thats all

next stump
chrome knot
#

hmmm

solid frigate
chrome knot
#

noo

#

teams that can match its pace kinda jus roll it

#

and tera psychic amoonguss

next stump
#

if you’re Len every meta is trick room meta

foggy lodge
#

Ironically he dropped hard TR in the regulation where it best performed lol

#

During reg G he switched to the Kyogre cm stuff with roaring moon incin and those things

#

Didn't Len win a regional too?

#

In reg B or C?

next stump
#

back to back second places it looks like

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January 2023

solid frigate
next stump
#

i’m not sure

foggy lodge
#

That was Len Dueul

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This one is Alex Soto and they are both in different regions

solid frigate
next stump
#

VGC next please 🙏

solid frigate
foggy lodge
#

Unite before TCG even

#

Ig it's because a team game

dull ibex
#

its because its a moba

chrome knot
#

its because its a moba

#

very easy to get into and to get hype abt

#

also a team game instead of individual

bold geode
#

Yeah those team games are probably easier
Like the college I went to was using Rivals for Esports

jade dust
bold geode
#

@next stump hey just so I'm remembering right
Is Worlds next weekend?

foggy lodge
#

Yes

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August 15th to august 17th

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Will be watching worlds at school damn

chrome knot
#

date LOCKED IN bc i travelling that weekendGiggleHehe

next stump
#

woot woot

bold geode
chrome knot
#

visiting Kat in chicago to watch with her

tropic coral
#

Heyo fam, wanted to ask a bit of a simple question. I'm contemplating jumping in deep and heading to Frankfurt for the regional in September. Just for my understanding, the VGC tournament there would be played with the Regulation H ruleset, right? While ranked battles will be using I (now) and J (next month)? Been almost a decade since I last played a game of competitive Pokemon, so gonna be real rusty haha

next stump
#

Hello! You’ve got it exactly right. If you’re playing a regional, your main method of practice will be Pokémon showdown

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Or community tournaments hosted on Limitless

gentle cragBOT
#

REGULATION J vs. REGULATION H BREAKDOWN FOR NEWCOMERS

From now until the end of August, we are currently in Regulation I. This ruleset allows for two restricted legendary pokemon. These are box art legendaries like Miraidon, Koraidon, Zacian, Zamazenta, etc. There's also DLC legendaries like Calyrex included there. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and in game until August 31st.

From September 1st onwards, there will be TWO active formats. If you want to play in game battles, you will be playing Regulation J. Regulation J is similar to Regulation I, but it also allows for mythical pokemon to be used. These mythical pokemon will count as a restricted pokemon, so you can't use unlimited. But for example, you could use Arceus and Groudon if you wanted to. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will be playable in game starting September 1st

The other active format will be Regulation H, an older format that is coming back again. This format CANNOT be played in game on the ranked ladder, it will only be available through Pokemon Showdown and through tournaments that the community hosts. This Regulations bans ALL Legendary pokemon and all Paradox pokemon allowing for weaker pokemon and strategies to be viable. This will be the ruleset for all in person tournaments, including small local events. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will ONLY be playable in game through community hosted events and in person tournaments, NOT ranked battles

Want to play Regulation H but don't enjoy Showdown or in person tournaments? Here is how to find community hosted tournaments - https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/?game=VGC

Limitless Tournament Platform
Tournaments | Limitless

Tournament management software for competitive Pokémon, as well as Bandai card games. The easiest way to run Swiss-system tournaments with decklist submission.

dull ibex
#

Feeling more confident

#

blasting my way to 1300

tropic coral
#

Thank you! That explained it perfectly

next stump
#

You're welcome 😄 If you have any other questions or need help feel free to ask

tropic coral
#

Oh, seems like the limitlessvgc page isn't maintained but online vgc tournaments are found on limitless tgc?

next stump
tropic coral
#

Yep, found it! Awesome, will stick with Showdown as I play and get my team ready on cart. Hope these DLCs are some fun too bahaha

dull ibex
#

@bold geode I DID IT

#

IM MASTERBALL

#

43-52 lmao

fluid fiber
#

Gonna grind for Mball sometime this week lol

#

Just finished the team

dull ibex
#

I like my team

next stump
#

congrats 🙂 are you gonnna keep playing or retire for the season

dull ibex
heady onyx
#

Also what is there above high ?!?! like

#

You got low medium and high mmr that's it no ?

bold geode
#

I think he was saying anything above medium or high?

#

Also like
Not a lot of games are coin Flippy and honestly like
There's probably a lot of games that do come to that where a mistake or a really good play was made somewhere to get it to that point

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Like hell people still think CSR mirrors SOLELY come down to speed ties and nothing else when there's other ways but people don't believe me LOL

foggy lodge
#

I remember watching Emilio Forbes lose in stream to losing 2 speed ties

#

So fire🔥

heady onyx
bold geode
#

I mean

  1. The offensive Shadow Rider Zamazenta come to those coin flips way more often imo
  2. I never said that they NEVER come down to them
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There is though a lot of times where you could've made plays that kept you away from those coin flips

heady onyx
#

not in coin flippy games

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the whole of a coin flippy game is that it's played on a coin flip

bold geode
#

You are not getting the point at all lmao

heady onyx
#

I don't think the point is right

bold geode
#

Anyways, I'm just saying that it's really not as coin Flippy as you think
And like there's a lot of coin flips you actually really can avoid, but hell a lot of the time you'll see those plays in hindsight
But it could also be a team/play issue of sorts if the coin flips are really coming up THAT MUCH cuz like
For example I've played Shadow Rider Zamazenta religiously for months now which is one of the comps that should really have a ton of coin flips with the amount of CSR around but I honestly don't notice too many and if I do most the time I could've avoided them

heady onyx
#

The problem is that I don't think it

#

I know them when I see them

bold geode
#

Yeah
Same here
But when I review afterwards, I find that some can be avoided
Hindsight is 20/20

foggy lodge
#

You can avoid speed ties and if you watch the battles of top players on CSR Zam mirrors you'll see more often than not they try to play avoiding the game coming down to a decisive 50/50

shadow wind
#

There’s many kinds of plays

Risk taking - Where you are reading a play or risking a speed tie and if you get it wrong you get nothing in return

Defensive - this could be a play that does nothing for you offensively but allows you reposition in many ways

Middle Ground - Covers multiple plays your opponent could play and is what most plays are

heady onyx
#

But hindsight will not help you within the coin flip

shadow wind
#

You’re talking about only making risky plays

heady onyx
#

Since you're looking at it afterwards

foggy lodge
#

Doesn't mean it's not annoying af that you have to make a whole gameplan revolving around a 50/50

bold geode
shadow wind
#

Or you can run a modest CSR with mad speed control

#

There’s a lot of ways around it

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

People have built around that like Umbra who just opted for losing the speed interaction to other CSRs but patches that with tera dark CSR and Tornadus

bold geode
#

I think it's kind of throwing ngl

foggy lodge
#

The team itself allows him to not lose to the opposing CSR basically

shadow wind
#

I think it’s fire

#

OHKO’ing Zama at +2 is gas

foggy lodge
#

Modest CSR is the call brw

heady onyx
shadow wind
#

Modest CSR is what I’d play if I played CSR

heady onyx
#

The coin flip will happen in some games

bold geode
heady onyx
#

There's no literal way around it, you will face some mirrors

foggy lodge
#

But Umbra didn't use Incin lol

bold geode
heady onyx
foggy lodge
heady onyx
#

that's all there is, if their incin intimidate shows up before mine and I'm max speed, it's a coin flip

foggy lodge
#

I think the new big teal of CSR Zama Ogerpon Smeargle Rilla Raging used modest CSR

#

It deals crazy damage

heady onyx
#

The coin flip is guaranteed since their Intim shows before mine and I can only tie speed

next stump
#

That interaction between the Incin's is a coinflip, that doesn't mean your gameplan is a coin flip

heady onyx
#

No gameplan is a coin flip

bold geode
heady onyx
#

The whole point of a coin flip is that it's RNG/luck

shadow wind
#

Reading a protect 🥀

bold geode
next stump
#

You just said earlier that matchups in "high elo", the elo you play in, are 50/50 depending on leads. 50/50 = coinflip, and leads are your gameplan

#

Like what are you saying man

foggy lodge
#

We have to read ALL the protects and ALL the wide guards

#

🔥🔥🔥

heady onyx
bold geode
heady onyx
#

I said 50% of games were decided from lead

foggy lodge
#

Me

heady onyx
#

Someone that gets their lead right often snowball into a win

#

I win most of my games where I lead right

#

I lose most of my games where I lead poorly

foggy lodge
#

Oh yeah that happens a lot on bo1

heady onyx
#

That's what I said, it had nothing to do with coin flips lmao

foggy lodge
#

Because you don't have the ability to adapt after the game

bold geode
#

Might I ask wtf you're using cuz like
Idk any team that's like that

next stump
#

👍 I don't think we are seeing eye to eye so I am gonna disengage

foggy lodge
#

Only if you know the team beforehand or if you find the same person after

heady onyx
bold geode
#

Honestly same thing imma probably end up doing

heady onyx
#

that's very wrong

next stump
#

You're welcome to be right 😄

heady onyx
#

Don't put things I never said as if I said them

#

It creates discord for no good reasons

bold geode
#

Can we calm down plz

heady onyx
#

Try to understand the point instead of reframing it in your own narrative

#

You guys are labeled as ''helpers''. You'd think it's a good thing that you don't ragebait people by misquoting them don't you ?!?!

bold geode
#

We weren't trying to do that at all?

heady onyx
#

By insinuating I was vouching for coin flip being a gameplan

#

The fuck you are

#

Words carry meaning where I come from

next stump
#

I think you made an overgeneralization, I pointed it out. You think I misquoted you, I don't, so I'm just gonna disengage man. Not every conversation needs to end with you being correct. I'm stepping out so you can be correct 😄

heady onyx
#

I never said coin flip was a gameplan

#

And you brought it as if I did

bold geode
#

The situation is over
Plz drop it

heady onyx
#

The situation would have never happened if ''helpers'' weren't misquoting

#

Genuinely all there was : Lead is a big thing in CTS Bo1

#

Getting the lead right determines most of your win/lose

bold geode
#

Ok there was a misunderstanding
It happens
It's online chats, nobody is perfect
People misinterpret stuff in online chats on the daily

#

And he acknowledged that he did

#

The situation is over, yet you're still choosing to carry it on when it's better to drop it

heady onyx
#

legit who does that ?

chrome knot
#

what did i walk back into

heady onyx
#

ragebaiters

dull haven
#

Please move on. Take a step back and take a breather if needed. But the situation is passed and best to leave it be rather than try to get in the last word.

chrome knot
#

hi khujaBearWiggle

dull haven
molten oasis
#

Hi Khuja

bold geode
molten oasis
#

Being up until 5 am writing insane character writing is peak

solid frigate
bold geode
molten oasis
solid frigate
#

also wtf just happened

molten oasis
#

Something we ain’t gonna talk about

dense latch
#

mandatory monthly whatever this is

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

It always appears like there's a new message in rental teams and I hope it's something cool and then it's just a bot message that gets deleted

#

😔

#

Monke when will you release cool teams again

solid frigate
#

honestly idk when we will post new teams

#

i felt bored but also lazy

foggy lodge
#

ngl I think the last team you two did was bad LMAO

solid frigate
bold geode
foggy lodge
#

but solgaleooooo jskshdksjdkdjlsjf

bold geode
#

Fuck I need to continue writing

bold geode
solid frigate
#

Solgaleo was a nice idea at the time that we literally bring Hearth in Rain

bold geode
#

Funny thing is that team was actually fun and if I gave it more time it could've actually been better

solid frigate
bold geode
#

Like I actually had a variant I was using for a bit afterwards before I hopped on Zam CSR

#

And it actually wasn't like
Absolutely horrible into Mirai Nala

#

God can I even find it

solid frigate
bold geode
bold geode
#

Mirai Ogre actually was pretty good into us
It was the reason why Hearthflame was used

#

And TWave

solid frigate
#

why dont you ask me to test the mu with my team tho

bold geode
#

Cuz I didn't think it'd be too common

#

And the TWave Hearthflame delete the Kyogre usually worked

#

But yeah I had a better version but like
By then I posted stuff and I was already moving on to another thing that had promise

solid frigate
real prairie
#

playing cart ladder and I just oneshot grass tera zamazenta with Rockpon counter 🤣

solid frigate
#

i'm not trying Zard again

solid frigate
#

@real prairie no you don't understand

I play Greninja better than Zard lmao

real prairie
#

Haha that's no surprise

solid frigate
cyan smelt
#

Do I need to watch out for poison tera greninja

polar canyon
#

Who up chilling they neigh

bold geode
#

That's a sentence of all time

red willow
#

Ice rider is that u

solid frigate
jade dust
#

Lmao

#

Thunderbolt Magearna

dull ibex
#

@jade dustyou running mag? wanna do a battle

heady onyx
jade dust
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When do you wanna play?

dull ibex
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im good now actually

dull haven
# heady onyx is it common practice for ''helpers'' to be ragebaiting and misquoting players i...

They were trying to diffuse it from my understanding of the context. It was a misunderstanding I believe? Anyways the Helper even said they were leaving it alone from that point and that is where it should have ended with no further commentary needed to be honest. People are human, so are helpers. If you feel slighted, that's how you feel, but they did disengage as should have you. However, this situation is ended and passed and my suggestion is to drop it and leave it be. If you don't think you can get along with that particular person or have the ability to move forward from it, feel free to block them if you need to.

jade dust
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At work

dull ibex
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feel free to ping me when free

cyan smelt
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What item is best for miraidon, I want to use urshifu but doesn't it like the scarf? Is av for miraidon better and scarf for urshifu?

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Kinda want sash on shifu and scarf on miraidon

bold geode
cyan smelt
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I want to do the classic volt switch tr spam lol

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Mainly worried about weezing caly s

dull ibex
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Lizard

cyan smelt
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Or weezing Arceus

bold geode
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Yeah Scarf/Specs can work there
As for Shifu, I'd probably do Sash/Band for that

dull ibex
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monke

cyan smelt
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I'll try both, thanks monke

bold geode
woven pelican
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monkelizard

bold geode
cyan smelt
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I know reg J isn't a serious format but using mythicals is funny

dull ibex
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is there any matchup I dont want to bring Zacian?

molten oasis
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Korai weezing prob

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With dozo

dull ibex
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drago come watch me ladder

molten oasis
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Nah

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I’m going to bed soon

bold geode
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Imagine sleeping

molten oasis
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Ikr

bold geode
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Sleeping is for lil bitches

dull ibex
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that loss was drago's fault

solid frigate
woven pelican
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being a good ch

bold geode
woven pelican
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i know right he does good work but he's a right old prick

bold geode
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Honestly

old jay
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Does anyone know of any good Magearna Trick Room teams I could base my team off of?

cyan smelt
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I've seen magearna + final gambit ape

bold geode
old jay
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Are there any other restricteds that would be good with it? I dont have ice rider

bold geode
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Maybe Lunala?

old jay
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Ooo, good idea! Thanks!

bold geode
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👍

dull ibex
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final gambit+mag

jade dust
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@dull ibex ready

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Let’s do a Bo3

dull ibex
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alright]

jade dust
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My username is shrekers13

dull ibex
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showdown right?

jade dust
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Yes

dull ibex
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redstonejesus

rustic mountain
dull ibex
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give me feedback on my playing btw

bold geode
cyan smelt
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monke isn't it your bedtime

rustic mountain
jade dust
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Gg

dull ibex
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gg any feeback?

jade dust
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Well the tera flying on roaring moon was like, why

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In last game

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You should had let Kyoger and a taunt option too

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So that way I at least take a lot of damage from water spout if I fake out the taunt

bold geode
dull ibex
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fair

jade dust
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My caly ice is trained to live water spout

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And electro drill

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But getting some big damage in still makes it harder for me

solid frigate
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wtf is with you and Electro drill typo

rustic mountain
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electro drill sounds like a fusion move (horn drill + e drift)

solid frigate
jade dust
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@dull ibex another this is, you should had kept Amoonguss in the back in all games

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So you could later switch it in after a KO

dull ibex
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ah ok

foggy lodge
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Seawolfmikes' team

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Also what could I have done better

cyan smelt
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i would have led the sinistcha first and set up tr immediately, then the rest of his team is free tbh

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unless the sinistcha is just there for healing

foggy lodge
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I die to hurricane electro shot xd

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And I don't have protect

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If I had protect I would cuz I force a 50/50

cyan smelt
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and i'm guessing the sneasler is throat chop so you couldn't lead gholdengo

woven pelican
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are at least 2 of us winning in comp chat today

foggy lodge
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The replay has OTS

cyan smelt
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hang on lemme check it

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ok idk does gholdengo outspeed unburden sneasler

solid frigate
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not VGC but still

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foggy lodge
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IM AGAINST MIKE AGAIN DUDE WHY

woven pelican
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I like random battles PeepoGlad

foggy lodge
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IM IN 1200 ELO SHOWDOWN

woven pelican
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random battles are fun

solid frigate
woven pelican
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like the first time i tried out that one 4 player free for all gamemode and it gave me quiver dance volcarona

solid frigate
woven pelican
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no but they mostly had special attackers

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actually idk i need to find the replay gimme a bit

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shit i can't find it