I kinda gave up on I
#competitive_discussion
torn parrot
dense latch
not for ingame ladder tho that's reg i + mythicals as restricteds too
torn parrot
Wait wat
foggy lodge
Only in showdown and official tournaments basically lol
torn parrot
j is for vgc too?
foggy lodge
No
dense latch
reg h for live tournaments
reg j for battle stadium ladder
foggy lodge
Its only for ranked battles
dense latch
it's furret time
torn parrot
Guys I think we’ve hit the end of the competitive gen 9 lifespan
Kinda scraping at the bottom now
foggy lodge
It is
bold geode
Guys I think we’ve hit the end of the competitive gen 9 lifespan
They ran outta ideas
molten oasis
yeah p2 ursa is back
woven pelican
is it time for p2 ursa memeing again
foggy lodge
@bold geode
bold geode
karmic temple
Are we excited about reg j yet bois (and gorls)
left bobcat
Eh
foggy lodge
Are we excited about reg j yet bois (and gorls)
Not really
molten oasis
no
dense latch
no
next stump
is either ladder live yet?
molten oasis
cant wait to only play reg h
molten oasis
yeah
foggy lodge
I would have preferred something new but it's fine
molten oasis
same
foggy lodge
UB slow won the cart ladder
w koraidon cir
X
Another team from cart
The restricteds are CSR and Zacian
Wait no Seita won
And with Groudon Lunala
shadow wind
https://fixupx.com/seita_poke/status/1951073087400845511
Brings a tear to my eye
It really does
jade dust
Ogerpon carried very hard here
I did the correct prediction to attack incineroar and I’m surprised it was enough to take it down
acoustic spear
Reg J is here and I am beyond happy
next stump
lofty tartan
Reg H but I don't mind Legendaries. I just think low power formats are fun and vibrant
I could take or leave Darkrai
The real champion of Reg J is the friends we made along the way and ignoring the format because it's a nothing thing that makes it more difficult to test for official sanctioned events
jade dust
I like legendaries but I don’t like shadow rider
foggy lodge
wooden steeple
arceus perish trap incoming
dense latch
@foggy lodge i choked the chance for a rematch 😔
rustic mountain
so is it 2 restricted + mythical or 2 restricted and that includes choosing a mythical
dense latch
mythicals count as restricteds
molten oasis
tree reg h is back for vgc
dense latch
tree idk if you saw it but
reg j is only for cart ladder
reg h is for live tournaments
rustic mountain
yea im glad for the irl players but since im not planning on hitting up any tours soon i dont really care, especially since its not even gna be on cart
dense latch
oh nvm
rustic mountain
especially too like no champions so they basically are like fuck u even with sds existence its crazy to have reliance on a third party fan made simulator
that they dont acknowledge
champions is 2026 erik they confirmed that in the presents
tho i agree wouldve been a good time to have it ready
dense latch
champions is 2026 erik they confirmed that in the presents
yea by soon i mean like early 26, we know the year but not the month yet
shadow wind
Reg H is going to be so unserious for me
dense latch
what's the closest thing to groudon
shadow wind
Probably Ttar
dense latch
or garchomp
shadow wind
Weather setting fat boy with a missing stab spread move
dense latch
both i guess work
shadow wind
Cue Pompeii playing
foggy lodge
<@797571447118757910> i choked the chance for a rematch 😔
I SAWWWWW
shadow wind
Nah I’m playing Monotype teams
dull ibex
when does ladder open
dense latch
i got helping hand eforced g3 when i thought he'd protect armarouge
dense latch
They played so well
yea they're good
shadow wind
Cause honestly if Reg I were the trenches of war, Reg H2 is going to be a playground of whimsy for me
dense latch
im having a lot of fun with this format honestly
foggy lodge
I think I could have figured out a line but I couldn't come up with something in the small time
I was mostly scared of them clicking sunny day
shadow wind
I think I need to make a Ttar Groudon Pompeii edit
Cause truly nothing has changed at all
foggy lodge
But anyways I really like this team
I feel like putting extreme speed instead of tailwind on dnite made it a lot more comfortable
dense latch
im split between bax and dnite rn
i like the idea of not having to worry about having to outspeed other dnites
rustic mountain
why did they even add mythicals, who tf is gna choose darkrai or shaymin over mirai and cir or csr zama and shit
dense latch
i don't get what they were thinking
who in game freak overrated mythicals that much
shadow wind
I’d rather play with only Groudon than use a mythical
foggy lodge
I don't think that's how it goes Conner
rustic mountain
i don't get what they were thinking
who in game freak overrated mythicals that ...
yea like just make it 2 restricteds and 1 mythical atleast
shadow wind
Mythicals ain’t that strong
The only one on par with Restricteds is Arceus
And even then it gets outshined by a lot of them
rustic mountain
just kinda sucks its basically reg i part 2 but u can run other mons u couldnt b4
shadow wind
CTS Arceus sounds so cancer
rustic mountain
but like why would u
left bobcat
And the robot rabbit thingy
shadow wind
And the robot rabbit thingy
Magearna does not hold a candle to any restricted
left bobcat
Should always be matcha gatcha, rage powder, life dew, trick room
rustic mountain
Magearna does not hold a candle to any restricted
yes it does lmao
just not the good ones
left bobcat
The irony
shadow wind
Magearna is the only good one alongside Arceus
I still feel like good is an exaggeration
rustic mountain
id rather magearna then like mewtwo
foggy lodge
Get it at +2 in turn one and a 1v1
rustic mountain
ill fuck around and use some of my shiny mythical collection but otherwise this format blows
shadow wind
id rather magearna then like mewtwo
I’d rather use a Gallade than a Mewtwo
foggy lodge
Feels like a fanmade format
shadow wind
Even a Conkeldurr over Mewtwo
rustic mountain
lol
left bobcat
Conkulllldurrrr
shadow wind
I’d rather have a Stonejourner that only has wide guard over Mewtwo
Magearna is strong but not by restricted standards
foggy lodge
Like Mew is bad, Jirachi is decent ig? Deoxys may have potential, all gen 5 mythicals seem bad, Volcarona maybe gen 6 ones have potential
And then idk
rustic mountain
u mean volcanion
lofty tartan
ill fuck around and use some of my shiny mythical collection but otherwise this ...
Yeah man I'm going to Pitt. Reg J is a nothing format that I can't even practice for on Cart. 
foggy lodge
Pecharunt is bad it has 88 in every stat
foggy lodge
u mean volcanion
Yeah lmao
shadow wind
Like when I think of any mythical they just get nuked by Miraidon or CSR
rustic mountain
Yeah man I'm going to Pitt. Reg J is a nothing format that I can't even practice...
gl man, yea the split format thing is weird af
dense latch
then like 160 def
foggy lodge
Sorry I remember using good mons and not Volcanion
rustic mountain
just overall is a head scratcher especially counting a mythical as a restricted
foggy lodge
Because Pecharunt doesn't deactivate abilities wuskdkkfkff
lofty tartan
just overall is a head scratcher especially counting a mythical as a restricted
Yeah the move is bold and silly.
At least don't usher your players to the unofficial platform to practice for official events because you've signaled the death call of SV
rustic mountain
i think every mythical is an active throw over choosing any top tier restricted, even the better ones are not gna do much
lofty tartan
It's like a vulture screaming in the distance
dense latch
i don't want to imagine poison gas pecharunt stall or something like that
rustic mountain
its just varying degrees of how much ur throwing
foggy lodge
Magearna is just a little bit of trolling
rustic mountain
Yeah the move is bold and silly.
At least don't usher your players to the unoff...
100% agreed
dense latch
i feel like it would just get overwhelmed but the confusion from poison puppeteer makes it so annoying
left bobcat
FAIRY DRACO METEORRRRR
foggy lodge
Does that thing even take a volt switch?
shadow wind
i feel like it would just get overwhelmed but the confusion from poison puppetee...
In singles where CSR doesn’t exist yeah
lofty tartan
i don't want to imagine poison gas pecharunt stall or something like that
Until it gets bodied by something like Lando
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Pecharunt: 187-221 (95.8 - 113.3%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO
left bobcat
Does that thing even take a volt switch?
Hmmmm lettuce see
shadow wind
Until it gets bodied by something like Lando
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Lando...
Kinda impressed it even has a chance to live
dense latch
Until it gets bodied by something like Lando
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Lando...
brings a smile to my face thank god
gentle cragBOT
brings a smile to my face thank god
eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to dazedmika
knotty mirage
Oh neat mythical is allowed next reg
left bobcat
Ehhhhh maybe
rustic mountain
honestly conner, u might like victini w/ groudon, would make pblades not as inaccurate 
shadow wind
honestly conner, u might like victini w/ groudon, would make pblades not as inac...
And sun boosted V create
rustic mountain
yeh
lofty tartan
Oh neat mythical is allowed next reg
It's a nothing regulation that's only on Cart and not being used at events
left bobcat
Hmmmmmmmmmm let’s see
shadow wind
Like at the end of the day I’m still sacrificing my other restricted slot for Victini
knotty mirage
It's a nothing regulation that's only on Cart and not being used at events
And i pretty much only play on cart so yeah
dense latch
X
shadow wind
And my main restricted slot is Groudon
rustic mountain
Like at the end of the day I’m still sacrificing my other restricted slot for Vi...
its actively bad, but fun and does have some synergy
shadow wind
its actively bad, but fun and does have some synergy
Like all of my teams
rustic mountain
lol
lofty tartan
And i pretty much only play on cart so yeah
Yeah for those of us playing in the official events it's a dumb move.
They're forcing people off their game and onto showdown
foggy lodge
https://x.com/NehzzyVGC/status/1856327153958179208
Me
shadow wind
Give that Victini a scarf and we got motion baby
lofty tartan
Events aren't stopping. So shutting off cart ladder is a dumb move
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
shadow wind
Why did they give that
foggy lodge
Its super dumb because its basically that the community has to join to practice for tournaments
dense latch
mythicals try not to have the same number across all stats challenge
foggy lodge
Showdown is something made by fans for fans and all the other things like limitless tours are made by fans
left bobcat
mythicals try not to have the same number across all stats challenge
Gotta keep it ONE HUNNID 💯
shadow wind
100 across the board is so bad 😭
foggy lodge
The company isn't giving the real tools to prepare that it should
rustic mountain
Events aren't stopping. So shutting off cart ladder is a dumb move
just make it reg h for every1 so ppl can actually practice in game for their events like wtf haha i cant believe they have irl events and no "legitimized" way of practicing
lofty tartan
Its super dumb because its basically that the community has to join to practice ...
I just think, from a business perspective, that saying "don't play our game, play the one someone else made that's unofficial" when events are still going is the silliest shit
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
lofty tartan
just make it reg h for every1 so ppl can actually practice in game for their eve...
This is my stress point
left bobcat
Zeraora sounds interesting
shadow wind
Victini gets expanding force, well at least I have a base I guess
left bobcat
A choice band/life orb/focus sash
foggy lodge
Easiest way is just putting something like showdown formats where you choose which format you want to play
dense latch
they're giving us time to enjoy showdown before they put it down (please don't)
lofty tartan
I doubt that they'll shut it down
foggy lodge
Or that reg J is only for singles where is more popular to use mythicals and doubles is reg H
rustic mountain
right
knotty mirage
But it seem's like the mythical will takes the restricted slot if you want to use it
lofty tartan
Hell they're essentially telling us we have to use it if we want practice now
lofty tartan
But it seem's like the mythical will takes the restricted slot if you want to us...
It does. Makes the format worse. Most Mythicals suck. Almost all are worse than Restricted
left bobcat
But it seem's like the mythical will takes the restricted slot if you want to us...
WHAT???????
foggy lodge
Hell they're essentially telling us we *have* to use it if we want practice now
It even feels like a child tantrum idk lol
left bobcat
Mythicals aren’t even that good
lofty tartan
They're not
dense latch
it's just a really really dumb decision to inconvenience regional players for the sake of adding a format not a single soul asked for
lofty tartan
They're just exclusive
foggy lodge
Like "oh you don't play our game to practice well what will you do now without the ladder"
When its also well known that cart ladder is popular for practice too
lofty tartan
I play their game to practice. Or I did
knotty mirage
It does. Makes the format worse. Most Mythicals suck. Almost all are worse than ...
Yeah so the meta prolly just gonna be reg I but with arceus on the side
rustic mountain
Hell they're essentially telling us we *have* to use it if we want practice now
they dont even acknowledge it tho its just insane all around. like this unsaid understood component that u know but wont be mentioned. i mean its actually laughable from a billion dollar company
dense latch
im a showdown fiend so it doesnt affect me all too much but like why
lofty tartan
Making this announcement the day AFTER Pittsburgh Registration was opened is bold as hell.
rustic mountain
cant use the actual game to practice for tournaments for said game
left bobcat
Only a few have decent stat spreads
foggy lodge
I hope they take it back or come up with a solution
lofty tartan
Like I paid a fee for Regionals that ended up being more expensive than last year to be told I can't practice on Cart lmao
shadow wind
Wait is Victini even in SV?
left bobcat
Rillaboom 2.0 has a good stat spread but it’s typing is ahhhhhh
lofty tartan
Non refundable
rustic mountain
Like I paid a fee for Regionals that ended up being more expensive than last yea...
foggy lodge
The more affected players are the japanese players and TPCi is most likely to listen to them than the rest of the world
shadow wind
Victini is not in SV 😔
foggy lodge
So who knows
rustic mountain
Victini is not in SV 😔
not transferrable?
left bobcat
Manaphy with all 100 stat spread not worth it
lofty tartan
The more affected players are the japanese players and TPCi is most likely to li...
If this was the case, they wouldn't be totally separated from every official circuit
foggy lodge
But knowing the people who manage VGC at TPCi it seems unlikely
shadow wind
not transferrable?
Looks like it
rustic mountain
damn
lofty tartan
Like TCPI doesn't care about Japanese players lmao
foggy lodge
Isn't LAIC also in reg H???
left bobcat
Sky form Shaymin just dies to a glacial lance
foggy lodge
If so then its even worse
lofty tartan
They screw them over harder than Americans
left bobcat
Why use keldeo when ursh is here
left bobcat
Vicitini not even here
rustic mountain
these old rules even with the changes theyve done in recent years arent enough
lofty tartan
the whole circuit needs a revamp imo
gentle cragBOT
https://tenor.com/view/office-michael-scott-thank-you-gif-5278681
dazedmika has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.
knotty mirage
Well i guess the good thing on the new reg is i can use volcanion for BSS
left bobcat
Darkrai got nerfed before it could even start
dense latch
i don't think i've ever actually seen BSS footage
lofty tartan
No one cares about Darkrai
left bobcat
Deoxys?
cyan smelt
Is Arceus viable or is equal stat distribution across the board not good
lofty tartan
Deoxys is one of the few who will matter in the nothing format
rustic mountain
me sending out my shiny darkrai knowing it wont do anything outside maybe hit 1/2 of dark void: 
shadow wind
Is Arceus viable or is equal stat distribution across the board not good
It’s pretty fat all things considered
knotty mirage
Is Arceus viable or is equal stat distribution across the board not good
It def viable in some way
lofty tartan
Is Arceus viable or is equal stat distribution across the board not good
Meh. Without a plate his espeed spam gets gimped by Incin and he can't even outpace CIR with Normal Tera
shadow wind
Also Tera normal espeed with Pao sounds scary
cyan smelt
I was thinking judgement spam
knotty mirage
Also Tera normal espeed with Pao sounds scary
Yeah def going to see this alot so a better rayquaza
lofty tartan
Until he gets flattened by Urshifu
rustic mountain
lol
lofty tartan
The world's biggest bully
shadow wind
Yeah Reg J sounds so trash
foggy lodge
And Iron Hands
left bobcat
Ursh isn’t the biggest bully
rustic mountain
or zama
left bobcat
Maybe to incin and other options
foggy lodge
Reg J is just reg I but people can now use new throw picks
left bobcat
Yeah Reg J sounds so trash
I thought we all agreed to this
rustic mountain
yea thats gna b the week 1 every1 tries it and realizes even arceus isnt valid to choose over a good restricted
shadow wind
I got excited when Tree mentioned Victini and then all my hopes and dreams were crushed
lofty tartan
I can't wait to fight against someone playing Victini/Mew in this totally not hot garbage pizza format
left bobcat
I’m starting to see why ppl didn’t like it in gen 8
shadow wind
I can't wait to fight against someone playing Victini/Mew in this totally not ho...
Victini doesn’t exist
knotty mirage
Reg J is just reg I but people can now use new throw picks
Not much would change i presume then it just there some mythical on the side
lofty tartan
Mew is Smeargle at home
rustic mountain
I got excited when Tree mentioned Victini and then all my hopes and dreams were ...
lmao i did think it was allowed
left bobcat
Literally this reg is just an expansion pass to reg I
shadow wind
I also thought it was in the game
rustic mountain
i didnt realize they had some restricteds unable to be transferred it
lofty tartan
i didnt realize they had some restricteds unable to be transferred it
Good Victini is trash anyway
shadow wind
Yeah I thought it was just the aura trio
knotty mirage
Just like the tapus 
shadow wind
Good Victini is trash anyway <:arkeknine:669500432741040129>
Sun boosted V create 😔
left bobcat
I miss my goat Tapu Fini
cyan smelt
Most mythicals get destroyed by the common restricted mons
lofty tartan
Tapus are rad.
left bobcat
Haven’t used them in YEARS
lofty tartan
Yeah nearly all Mythicals are straight up worse than Restricteds.
rustic mountain
so wen does this take us until? november or thru december?
lofty tartan
Everyone's on about Magearna forgetting there's four Pokémon on the field
foggy lodge
Arceus is at the same level of an F tier restricted
lofty tartan
so wen does this take us until? november or thru december?
September to November
rustic mountain
like through november or up until
foggy lodge
Better than idk Landorus maybe but the opportunity cost comes in and you realize that you could be just using Miraidon
knotty mirage
Most mythicals get destroyed by the common restricted mons
Yeah from all mythical the only one i presume can work is prolly arceus everything else is on kyurem tier
rustic mountain
got it ty
shadow wind
At least they gave Reg H back…
left bobcat
At least they gave Reg H back…
Reg h is meh
foggy lodge
I'm actually liking this its so crazy
lofty tartan
Yeah from all mythical the only one i presume can work is prolly arceus everythi...
I still think Arceus is gonna get swept in nothing format
left bobcat
Still better than reg j
lofty tartan
Reg H > Reg J
rustic mountain
so champions prolly early 2026 mid jan-early feb im guessing. would give like a month and a half- 2months without anything
knotty mirage
Some mythical def could work on BSS that is but on double yeah def not
left bobcat
so champions prolly early 2026 mid jan-early feb im guessing. would give like a ...
Ig WE’re all going
foggy lodge
My wild bet is that
lofty tartan
Things aren't given time to snowball as hard in doubles
rustic mountain
u can make it work for bo1 but like i just dont see it being consistent against the stronger restricteds
foggy lodge
EUIC will be played on champions
rustic mountain
wens euic
foggy lodge
Around february
rustic mountain
yea i agree then
lofty tartan
I'm down for Champs. I just think this move is ridiculous as well as an increase to Regional Entry Fees.
I didn't get the memo about added cost of entry
rustic mountain
what was the fee if u dont mind me askin
foggy lodge
$80
lofty tartan
Yup
foggy lodge
10 dollars increase
rustic mountain
usually is like 70 yea
lofty tartan
Nickel and diming us
left bobcat
Can finally use Hisuian samurott again
foggy lodge
And from 2024 -> 2026 it became a $20 increase
rustic mountain
but increase of 10 w/ no feasible updates or improvements to the tournament qol is wild
foggy lodge
And it will be the same venue with the same problems with the same game bugged with the same disconnection problems
lofty tartan
but increase of 10 w/ no feasible updates or improvements to the tournament qol ...
I like to be informed about spending almost 100 bucks for entry. I like keeping my finances straight and it was a bit of a surprise when I was checking out
foggy lodge
I'm so hyped to pay $80 to lose a set due to DCs
lofty tartan
And it will be the same venue with the same problems with the same game bugged w...
Yeah it's the same venue. I think a different TO though
rustic mountain
still
lofty tartan
Still.
rustic mountain
ur services are that much better ur confident enough to charge 10 more across the board? bit overzealous
lofty tartan
Last year at Pitt I got a shirt and a badge. Toronto was no shirt and a paper wristband.
rustic mountain
oof
lofty tartan
This year I'll likely get a kick in the ass and told to git gud
rustic mountain
i didnt get shit at the regional i went to lmao
lofty tartan
I love my Pittsburgh Regional shirt
foggy lodge
And there's no increase in regionals payouts too
2024 could be justified because they made an increase in all prizes
rustic mountain
they really might squander any potential the game has of truly growing at this rate
lofty tartan
And there's no increase in regionals payouts too
Increase of cost usually coincides with prize restructuring. TCPI doesn't like that
foggy lodge
Now its the same as 2024 but it costs more because ???
lofty tartan
Because they make thousands and thousands of dollars on entry fee
Four digits for TCG masters at 80 a head
foggy lodge
You could probably give the whole top 16 of a regional their money just be entry fees
left bobcat
Hmmmm matter of fact i am excited for reg h
lofty tartan
If we're middle of the road around 1500 TCG masters, that's 120,000 dollars
rustic mountain
issue is, they are greedy mfers who cant stand the thought of not turning immense profit at every juncture
left bobcat
I missed out on reg h cuz I took a hiatus
lofty tartan
NOT counting Go, Unite, VGC or any division outside of Masters
left bobcat
A really long one too
lofty tartan
120k dollars from masters TCG alone, for hiring a TO and spending money on a venue and production
Serious bank
rustic mountain
they should be more then fine breaking even or even losing money at these events if they actual ensured a quality viewing and playing experience because in the long run theyd actually see even more engagement and finance because of interest levels of people returning and joining in
lofty tartan
they should be more then fine breaking even or even losing money at these events...
Nah man profit or bust. That's why they replay the same five "great moments in vgc history" and continuously have stream issues and incorrect information
rustic mountain
but no lets suck the players dry of increased $ with no added improvements or assurances, surely this will sit right with the current playerbase whilst attracting even more players
foggy lodge
They have to be open to lose money on this
lofty tartan
I noticed somethkng funny tree
left bobcat
Hmmmmm?
lofty tartan
Last year Pitt sold out in 20 minutes. This year I signed up three hours after it went live
Interest is dropping.
rustic mountain
well i will say that is natural with a games life cycle
lofty tartan
Of course.
foggy lodge
From the start Pokémon already makes a lot of money from all the other things can't you really just invest a bit more into this?
lofty tartan
Just previously we had to scramble to give them our money, now we can take it leisurely
foggy lodge
And its harsh but I feel like its also something that keeps pokemon away from beeing seen as an esport
lofty tartan
At least I don't have to lord over the registration page any more
lofty tartan
And its harsh but I feel like its also something that keeps pokemon away from be...
TCPI is their own worst enemy here.
rustic mountain
and i dont think the immediate impact of what they are doing will be felt now, i do think the games will continue to grow and increase in playerbase. i just worry going forward with retention and growth how thats managed with how little they seem to care and do about actually changing the things that matter
lofty tartan
They seem to want to increase attendance but they act like they hate the players and seek profit above all else. It's always three steps forward and two steps back with them
rustic mountain
yea
lofty tartan
But they know we'll stick around because we love the game
rustic mountain
right
i wonder if pokemon will ever delve into the vr space and if thats perhaps the next evolution of gaming overall. would be p crazy having battles like that
long time away but interesting to think on
dense latch
at least we're getting room tours
molten oasis
100%
rustic mountain
cyan smelt
Why not use jirachi instead
rustic mountain
cuz its reg h
molten oasis
im not playing reg J
cyan smelt
Oh
foggy lodge
at least we're getting room tours
Yesss
But the ladder will probably be on by tomorrow
dense latch
im having a lot of fun
rustic mountain
y is it crazy
foggy lodge
Because I used to hate it lol
rustic mountain
u just realized what an actual good format is
rustic mountain
that was not all reg h was lmao
foggy lodge
The damage that reg I did to my heart
foggy lodge
that was not all reg h was lmao
I know but I still didn't like a lot of stuff
This format would probably be the best format if they just banned dire claw
Not even Sneasler just dire claw
rustic mountain
sneaslers fine
so is dire claw
sure it can be annoying but theres ways to not let urself get wrecked by it, its also incredibly bad to rely on for rng on the opponents end. if ur playing consistent u shouldnt be losing to dire claw much
dense latch
i love cloak volcarona
lofty tartan
I mostly use dire claw as a strong poison move. The status is a bonus
foggy lodge
Idk atp I don't care about rng lol
If I lose to rng its just pokemon being pokemon
I do try to control what I can do so I don't let myself lose to a worst case scenario endgame and stuff
But pokemon is a game about risks and one just has to live with it
rustic mountain
yea and itll happen sometimes like dire claw has lost me some games, i just dont think dire claw is strong enough to warrant a ban, i think ppl figured out ways to nullify sneasler in a lot of cases to where it wasnt the dominant meta staple it was by the end of the format
doesnt mean it still isnt good
dense latch
found out that my electabuzz had static the hard way vs p2 ursa amoong
rustic mountain
thats wat u get for being too excited in the teambuilder to double check 
foggy lodge
I remember making a Baxcalibur Ninetales team in reg F and it had to be my opponent who told me that I wasn't running snow warning on my A9 lmfao
dense latch
im going through all the phases of reg h 1.0 in the span of two hours
molten oasis
thats wat u get for being too excited in the teambuilder to double check <:budge...
do you remember what i was playing before reg h ended?
dense latch
yes
dense latch
or better yet
jade dust
dont use mythicals and just use your restricteds
What if I want to use Megearna tho
dense latch
skip reg j
molten oasis
and play reg h!
molten oasis
What if I want to use Megearna tho
uhhh, dont!
jade dust
and play reg h!
Fuck Sneasler
molten oasis
nah jk, im not sure what you do magearna with
you'd rather fight sneasler than CSR?
jade dust
nah jk, im not sure what you do magearna with
She’s a trick room sweeper
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
jade dust
With grim neigh
strange fjord
grim neigh but but better since you dont need to land the KO to gain the boost and ally faints also count for the boost
knotty mirage
I wonder if we will see good amount of caly i magearna team when reg j drop
stone trellis
Definitely.
Literally which Dark type is going to stand there and take a +6 Fleur Cannon to the face?
cyan smelt
And unlike zacian it can't be intimidated
stone trellis
And with Farig on the team, you can't use Fake Out.
cyan smelt
Good against caly I too pre tera
stone trellis
Also good with CIR.
cyan smelt
The only good mythical
stone trellis
And it's an S tier Pokemon.
strange fjord
The only good mythical
besides arceus
jade dust
Reg I team I’m theorycrafting
I was considering Fari instead of Indeedee but having a terrain to disrupt miraidons and monkeys is good
Monkey was something I was considering too
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
azure ether
strange fjord
locals beinv reg h is interesting. could bring some of my old teams back that did well
molten oasis
yeah, the last format (i hope) of SV is pretty weird
strange fjord
unfortunatelt lost some of my teams cause i changed phones but well see if i can remember some
true niche
I did it!
stone trellis
Reg I team I’m theorycrafting
Where is the second restricted?
And why isn't Reg J on the list of metas on Showdown?
stone trellis
And why isn't Reg J on the list of metas on Showdown?
And what do I do about this?
I don't have Magearna.
And I want to test the team out before making it in game.
jade dust
And what do I do about this?
Im sure it will be added later
stone trellis
Also, why WaterPon?
jade dust
To have a water option
stone trellis
I'm going to try and run Scarf Mew with Transform, honestly.
Funniest tech ever + I get to see what set my opponent is running on one of their Pokemon.
cyan smelt
Wait I want to use pecharunt
Poison puppeteer + malignant chain sounds funny
Anything with covert cloak kinda shuts it down though
ocean pawn
made a reg j team
https://pokepast.es/da898c4201de10f1
updated the team already
https://pokepast.es/c99b005fa6799bf5
exotic grotto
updated the team already
https://pokepast.es/c99b005fa6799bf5
Great team!
next stump
bump, curious what the people here are playing
dense latch
surprised to see so many reg j votes
next stump
This chat is going to be a bit of a mess because any newcomer will have to decide if they want to play Reg H showdown or Reg J in game
foggy lodge
@dense latch a dude in a reg H room tour said I'm an rng player because I didn't tera fairy my dnite in front of Dozo
And dude was playing explosion electrode w endure toxic orb tatsugiri and dondozo flamigo😭😭😭
solid frigate
This chat is going to be a bit of a mess because any newcomer will have to decid...
probably reg H for me but try Reg J just for casual standpoint
foggy lodge
+2 252+ Atk Dondozo Order Up vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite on a critical hit: 132-156 (79 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This was the calc hey said I haxed lmao
solid frigate
+2 252+ Atk Dondozo Order Up vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite on a critical...
thats with Multiscale lmao
foggy lodge
Yeah I always live it
It would have to be a +3 crit order up to kill me
And after they ordered up I just clicked haze and instantly won
I love you so much Dragonite
real prairie
It's 2+1?!
solid frigate
I’m still thinking what team i should play in Reg H
next stump
It's 2+1?!
no i think the poster got it wrong
solid frigate
Erizabeth rain
probably that cuz rain enthusiasts here
foggy lodge
I can give you my paste
real prairie
no i think the poster got it wrong
So it's still 2, but 1 can be a mythical
solid frigate
maybe i try Sylveon just for fun
next stump
pretty sure
foggy lodge
real prairie
I might just end up playing reg J just because by the time I attend a regional it'll be a new format anyway
So there's zero point me playing H again
chrome knot
bump, curious what the people here are playing
solid frigate
https://tenor.com/view/milotic-drum-roll-pokemon-water-snake-gif-24003262
Bro unlocked telekinesis
real prairie
Fakeout, encore, kings rock fling Ludicolo might do fucking bits in reg H though
dense latch
And dude was playing explosion electrode w endure toxic orb tatsugiri and dondoz...
i saw the first game lmao
next stump
Fakeout, encore, kings rock fling Ludicolo might do fucking bits in reg H though
Definitely has a shot to contend on rain teams, big downsides being you can’t touch arch or dragonite really :/
real prairie
Definitely has a shot to contend on rain teams, big downsides being you can’t to...
Max SpAtk tera water rain boosted weather ball does a decent chunk at Arch
stone trellis
I was just thinking that Arceus could be pretty cracked with E-Speed and Chien-Pao.
Obviously it should have Extreme Speed, Swords Dance and Protect, but what else should I run?
Maybe a Dark move to deal with Ghost types and Farigiraf/Indeedee?
vernal linden
Hello, im new here and was wondering how people get competitive mons in scarlet and violet?
stone trellis
Hello, im new here and was wondering how people get competitive mons in scarlet ...
You mean how they build Pokemon for competitive usage?
vernal linden
No more like how do you obtain competive pokemon ingame
next stump
some pokemon you catch in the wild and train up, others you have to transfer from other games. Really depends on the pokemon
you can also breed but not as common in SV as previous games
stone trellis
No more like how do you obtain competive pokemon ingame
Same way you obtain regular Pokemon.
next stump
Bottlecaps and Mints are your best friends for VGC
chrome knot
@next stump do u have a worlds team near locked in?
next stump
next stump
no not yet but this weekend is my internal lock in decision time
chrome knot
just lmk!!
stone trellis
So you guys will be going to Worlds?
next stump
I'll be there, Emma is helping me build my team for pokemon I still need
vernal linden
I was looking into a malamar, muk-A team. Is mine malamar and muk-A from ultra moon viable to make them competive in sv?
stone trellis
Can anyone give me an explanation of the Masuda Method in DMs? I need to get two shiny Basculegions to bribe @short quiver.
chrome knot
foreign mon + in game language mon = better shiny odds
short quiver
im doing your calyrex hunt rn i just have to become champion on this save first
chrome knot
most common is a ditto in another language
next stump
I was looking into a malamar, muk-A team. Is mine malamar and muk-A from ultra m...
are you aiming to play single battles or double battles?
vernal linden
Double
stone trellis
im doing your calyrex hunt rn i just have to become champion on this save first
Thanks.
short quiver
go away rotom
stone trellis
most common is a ditto in another language
Does it work if the Basculegion is Japanese?
Nevermind, I have a German Ditto.
short quiver
i think a jp basculegion would work, no?
next stump
Double
We're in a kind of weird point for newcomers in VGC (double battles). I'll try my best to explain but feel free to ask questions.
From now until the end of August, we are currently in Regulation I. This ruleset allows for two restricted legendary pokemon. These are box art legendaries like Miraidon, Koraidon, Zacian, Zamazenta, etc. There's also DLC legendaries like Calyrex included there. If you don't use two of these on your team, you will immediately put yourself at a large disadvantage.
From September 1st onwards, there will be TWO active formats. If you want to play in game battles, you will be playing Regulation J. Regulation J is similar to Regulation I, but it alos allows for mythical pokemon to be used. These mythical pokemon will count as a restricted pokemon, so you can't use unlimited. But for example, you could use Arceus and Groudon if you wanted to.
The other active format will be Regulation H, an older format that is coming back again. This format CANNOT be played in game on the ranked ladder, it will only be available through Pokemon Showdown and through tournaments that the community hosts. This Regulations bans ALL Legendary pokemon and all Paradox pokemon allowing for weaker pokemon and strategies to be viable.
So with all that said, which format do you think you are interested in playing? Because that will determine whether or not your team/strategy is worth putting time into
vernal linden
Regulation H is more in line off what i had in mind for my team.
short quiver
isnt the only way to currently get arceus to 100% the LA pokedex
next stump
Regulation H is more in line off what i had in mind for my team.
Awesome 😄 I think most newer players, and even a lot of older ones, will end up preferring Reg H. Have you ever played Pokemon showdown before?
stone trellis
isnt the only way to currently get arceus to 100% the LA pokedex
Yeah, but I think Reg J will be available on Showdown too.
short quiver
Yeah, but I think Reg J will be available on Showdown too.
i play ingame
i usually skip the Showdown step entirely
which i do not recommend doing for our new friend here at any point
stone trellis
Yeah.
vernal linden
I know the basics of double battle and strategie that are populair.
short quiver
still there are a large number of variables that can change a whole battle
stone trellis
And certain strategies can become better or worse depending on the format.
short quiver
we usually practice our teams on Showdown til we’re comfortable and then we go ingame with it
i just occasionally forget showdown exists
vernal linden
Thank you guys for helping me out. When does. When will the community host regulation h?
short quiver
september on showdown and community events
dense latch
the reg h ladder is up on showdown already
stone trellis
It is?
vernal linden
Thanks for the info. One last question. Can all wild pokemon become competive mons or do they have to meet some expectations?
short quiver
probably for early practice into the format
short quiver
Thanks for the info. One last question. Can all wild pokemon become competive mo...
theres a banlist somewhere
next stump
Thanks for the info. One last question. Can all wild pokemon become competive mo...
Technically any and all wild pokemon can be used in competitive. You will just need to change their moves, EVs, IVs, Natures, and tera normally
vernal linden
Thank you. I dont have any questions for now. Apricate the help.
next stump
all good 😄 if you ever do just hop back in here
vernal linden
I will 🙂
short quiver
and if you need a pokemon for some reason one of us may be able to help you 🙂
solid frigate
We're in a kind of weird point for newcomers in VGC (double battles). I'll try m...
I think this should be pinned
next stump
I will reword some parts and pin it, I agree. Thanks 🙂
It will be easy to have a message to direct people towards that hopefully helps explain the mess we are in
pallid hare
short quiver
thanks
left bobcat
PAOPAO
stone trellis
btw paonite is back for reg I
Pao + Arceus should also work.
foggy lodge
No one is playing reg J xd
stone trellis
Yeah, that's probably true.
rustic mountain
reg j sucks
short quiver
No one is playing reg J xd
i am
i was just saying yesterday i wanted mythicals to be legal so
tpci heard my wish
bold geode
reg j sucks
So question
How many of the mythicals are actually good
short quiver
like 3
Arceus Mew and Magearna
maybe Zeraora
darkrai had a time to shine but uh flashback to smeargle and liepard 2016
buoyant marlin
Quick question: Do people mostly play doubles in ranked or is there singles to?
molten oasis
So question
How many of the mythicals are actually good
It’s like, Arceus and Magearna
short quiver
🤷♂️
bold geode
Quick question: Do people mostly play doubles in ranked or is there singles to?
There is singles but it is a majority doubles
short quiver
darkrai had a time to shine but uh *flashback to smeargle and liepard 2016*
and then theres this
molten oasis
Mew is not a good mon
molten oasis
Why not just use ditto
short quiver
mew has 100 base hp
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
Volt absorb, that’s ass
short quiver
its stat spread isnt bad
molten oasis
It doesn’t hit hard enough to warrant using over anything
bold geode
But guys
We love Mew
bold geode
Wtf is that bullshit
molten oasis
Is that spread?
stone trellis
Are there any specific Speed tiers that are relevant in Reg H?
You know, stuff like 205, 222 or 307?
rustic mountain
So question
How many of the mythicals are actually good
in the sense ud actually wanna choose them over any good restricted? 0
short quiver
Wtf is that bullshit
behold Marshadow
rustic mountain
i said it last night its just varying degrees of how much ur throwing
by which mythical u choose
rustic mountain
ur not completely throwing
bold geode
in the sense ud actually wanna choose them over any good restricted? 0
Yeah ok so basically I'm throwing my Reg I team into the ranked ladder 
dense latch
marshadow isn't in the game
molten oasis
Yeah ok so basically I'm throwing my Reg I team into the ranked ladder <:KEKW:88...
Yeah lmao
But we’re playing reg h so
rustic mountain
marshadow isn't in the game
i gta look at which are legal lmao i keep thinking all of em are allowed
bold geode
I wanted to fuck with Zarude for a sec but then I realized it's signature move is literally just Lunar Blessing
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
rustic mountain
zarudes pretty bad
bold geode
Tf is
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
stone trellis
I wanted to fuck with Zarude for a sec but then I realized it's signature move i...
And you can just use a much better Pokemon that doesn't take up your restricted slot.
knotty mirage
I wanted to fuck with Zarude for a sec but then I realized it's signature move i...
So pretty much a restricted cresselia
bold geode
THAT'S ASS WTF
bold geode
THAT ABILITY IS FUCKING HORRIBLE
stone trellis
Valid crashout?
dense latch
this is crazy small but these are the only mythicals allowed for future reference
short quiver
marshadow isn't in the game
which is a shame cuz it would be pretty good
bold geode
Actually wait
Is there any restricted that have any sort of relations to monkey?
dense latch
so no zeraora marshadow victini and probably something else there im missing
rustic mountain
Actually wait
Is there any restricted that have any sort of relations to monkey?
nope
short quiver
so no zeraora marshadow victini and probably something else there im missing
so most of the actual good one’s arent even here
dense latch
Why aren't they in the game?
they're just not game freak just doesnt include some mons in their recent games
some of the mythicals we have now weren't in swsh
stone trellis
Champions will hopefully fix that.
I think only Arceus and maybe Magearna should count as actual restricted Pokemon.
short quiver
all 1100 pokemon or whatever the number is now
stone trellis
short quiver
I think only Arceus and maybe Magearna should count as actual restricted Pokemon...
theyre the only good ones that are legal in J 😭 MAYBE Mew. bit Zeraora and Marshadow are both banned
rustic mountain
champions is gna have rotating formats so even if at some point every mon is allowed, it wont be all at once
short quiver
champions is gna have rotating formats so even if at some point every mon is all...
😒
rustic mountain
theyve just never done that
short quiver
theyve just never done that
enter ds era when you could transfer any mon from a past game in
rustic mountain
maybe they switch it up who knows but i really doubt it especially as theyve gone further into the rotating spectrum by having new formats every 3-4 months instead of 6-12
molten oasis
I’m more curious if we’ll ever see tapus and ruins at the same time
short quiver
😨
knotty mirage
enter ds era when you could transfer any mon from a past game in
Tbf the ds era have like less pokemon
rustic mountain
enter ds era when you could transfer any mon from a past game in
no u couldnt just transfer any in u had to go thru like 3 different outlets to get mons into games in some cases and also it was like 400 mons max back then
bold geode
Even if they allow all mons, a ton of em are still ass
stone trellis
Ares! Give Tapu Koko good physical STAB and my life is yours!
bold geode
Tapu Bulu time /j
short quiver
Ares! Give Tapu Koko good physical STAB and my life is yours!
double shock enters chat if it ever gets added into a game from this point on
bold geode
Oh my bad, I mispronounced Rillaboom
rustic mountain
u should know its tapu rilla now. bulu lost the title its just bulu now
fluid wind
I'ma try to get a shiny keldeo so I can make a team with him before the reg starts
short quiver
i forgot keldeo exists dawg 😭
rustic mountain
oh right i gta do the dex thing for swsh still lol
bold geode
u should know its tapu rilla now. bulu lost the title its just bulu now
Tapu Rilla
rustic mountain
got the others done except that and lgpe which im not doing
bold geode
Honestly soon we might just have Tapu Miraidon
fluid wind
How good is he anyways
short quiver
Honestly soon we might just have Tapu Miraidon
we literally do. who even is tapu koko honestly 🙄
rustic mountain
Honestly soon we might just have Tapu Miraidon
tapu deedee has overtaken tapu lele cuz it just hasnt been in game so maybe
bold geode
Koko? Gen 7 he was cracked
Gen 8 wasn't good
Idk bout if he would be now
rustic mountain
depends on format
stone trellis
What about Lele and Fini?
rustic mountain
theyll b solid i think
short quiver
Koko? Gen 7 he was cracked
Gen 8 wasn't good
Idk bout if he would be now
i mean gen 9 added a very strong physical move for it called Double Shock
stone trellis
Fini would be cracked if Misty Terrain boosted Fairy moves.
rustic mountain
again format dependent, fini is pretty resilient tho
bold geode
tapu deedee has overtaken tapu lele cuz it just hasnt been in game so maybe
Ok now that one's disrespectful 
rustic mountain
hahahaha
bold geode
Lele would FUCK rn
rustic mountain
i used lele quite a bit in swsh
short quiver
i didn’t play competitive in swsh
rustic mountain
Lele would FUCK rn
no it wouldnt lol
stone trellis
I wonder how good the UBs would be.
short quiver
I wonder how good the UBs would be.
😔
surely they would have to be restricted mons, right,
rustic mountain
ubs overall wouldnt hold up w/ restricteds, maybe nihilego
stone trellis
Why Nihilego of all things?
short quiver
ubs overall wouldnt hold up w/ restricteds, maybe nihilego
didnt kartana do really well competitively too?
rustic mountain
rock/poison is nice
stone trellis
Karty Sharty would get fucked by Koraidon.
bold geode
I just want Fini
next stump
someone calc electro drift into Kartana
rustic mountain
didnt kartana do really well competitively too?
usually, i just feel itd get dunked on this format
short quiver
Karty Sharty would get fucked by Koraidon.
tera ghost
rustic mountain
someone calc electro drift into Kartana
30 kartanas just fainted
short quiver
someone calc electro drift into Kartana
death
bold geode
Grass Tera Fini into Miraidon 
stone trellis
someone calc electro drift into Kartana
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kartana in Electric Terrain: 288-339 (214.9 - 252.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
bold geode
30 kartanas just fainted
Is that how we close the wormholes in Alola? Just send Miraidon thru one of em
stone trellis
You do NOT live that.
rustic mountain
even av kartana aint living that
which some ppl did run in swsh including me at times
bold geode
Wasn't Stakataka something
rustic mountain
yea i just dont see any ub and think wow this would be solid into the format rn
stone trellis
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Kartana in Electric Terrain: 121-143 (72.8 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
rustic mountain
Wasn't Stakataka something
yea stakataka was a meta staple in gen 7, was solid at times in gen 8
bold geode
Actually idk why I thought this
How good would Zam be into Xerneas
rustic mountain
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD ...
yea ur not going max hp tho but ig thats something lol
stone trellis
Actually idk why I thought this
How good would Zam be into Xerneas <:KEKW:882204...
It would shred.
rustic mountain
y
bold geode
I mean if Xern gets the boost idk
Wonder how much Heavy Slam does into it
Is Xern fat?
rustic mountain
215 kg
stone trellis
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 178-210 (98.8 - 116.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
4 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Heavy Slam (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 114-134 (56.7 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Behemoth Bash does more.
Xern is above 196.3 kg, unfortunately.
bold geode
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 100 HP / 4 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 1...
Wait if it's bulky Zam
Could you actually live that
Anyways um all imma say
Better hope paradoxes ain't in Champions
stone trellis
+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Zamazenta-Crowned: 168-198 (84.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
You can live it after all.
bold geode
Oh that does a lot lol
bold geode
Anyways like
If paradoxes were in Champions
In a restricted format, would you wanna run Primal Don and Xern or save the restricted slot and go Don Flutter
short quiver
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD ...
it takes full max spD and assault vest to survive an electro drift?
real prairie
I am overly compelled to buy this
molten oasis
ubs overall wouldnt hold up w/ restricteds, maybe nihilego
im like, hella late to this
but i think celesteela and nihilego would still be good
stone trellis
it takes full max spD and assault vest to survive an electro drift?
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 164 SpD Assault Vest Kartana in Electric Terrain: 139-164 (83.7 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
That's the minimum.
short quiver
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 164 SpD ...
epicccccc
chat can hop shut ip so i can be champion and get ice rider for Paul here to have a slow calyrex
next stump
REGULATION J vs. REGULATION H BREAKDOWN FOR NEWCOMERS
From now until the end of August, we are currently in Regulation I. This ruleset allows for two restricted legendary pokemon. These are box art legendaries like Miraidon, Koraidon, Zacian, Zamazenta, etc. There's also DLC legendaries like Calyrex included there. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and in game until August 31st.
From September 1st onwards, there will be TWO active formats. If you want to play in game battles, you will be playing Regulation J. Regulation J is similar to Regulation I, but it also allows for mythical pokemon to be used. These mythical pokemon will count as a restricted pokemon, so you can't use unlimited. But for example, you could use Arceus and Groudon if you wanted to. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will be playable in game starting September 1st
The other active format will be Regulation H, an older format that is coming back again. This format CANNOT be played in game on the ranked ladder, it will only be available through Pokemon Showdown and through tournaments that the community hosts. This Regulations bans ALL Legendary pokemon and all Paradox pokemon allowing for weaker pokemon and strategies to be viable. This will be the ruleset for all in person tournaments, including small local events. This ruleset is currently playable on Pokemon Showdown and will ONLY be playable in game through community hosted events and in person tournaments, NOT ranked battles
Want to play Regulation H but don't enjoy Showdown or in person tournaments? Here is how to find community hosted tournaments - https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/?game=VGC
short quiver
oh yeah when i finish the story does anyone want a zamazenta for something
stone trellis
I might take one if I don't have it already.
short quiver
okay how about an eternatus
manic trench
hey guys i'm pretty new to competitive I have a few questions and a dream :DD ! Why some pokemon need 0 ivs in specific stats ? Is pikalytic actually good to look up what people play in general ? Anything else I need to know for starting (I watch lots of videos ect mostly showdown)?
next stump
hey guys i'm pretty new to competitive I have a few questions and a dream :DD ! ...
hello 😄 just so I know, when you say competitive are you talking about VGC (double battles?)
dense latch
hey guys i'm pretty new to competitive I have a few questions and a dream :DD ! ...
there's two main reasons why some pokemon may decide to have 0 IVs
- 0 Attack IVs on special attackers to minimize confusion damage and foul play damage, both of which are calculated with the attack stat
- 0 Speed IVs on trick room pokemon to make them as slow as possible, and thus faster under trick room
polar canyon
**REGULATION J vs. REGULATION H BREAKDOWN FOR NEWCOMERS**
From now until the en...
Wow excuse me
dense latch
pikalytics is fine but imo munchstats is a more complete website
polar canyon
Mythicals already?
next stump
yep, floodgates are open for online ranked battles next month
the game is going to be decommissioned soon
polar canyon
Man
Wonder what mythicals are gonna be good
I hope not the ones I never had the chance to get and probably never will
dense latch
opportunity cost is way too high for most
polar canyon
Like if hoopa ends up being top 10 usage
I actually have no idea what mythicals are in sv since I never cared
dense latch
i don't know if there's many mythicals i'd be willing to give up my restricted slot for
polar canyon
Arceus
foggy lodge
No way AV Chien-Pao is actually good noe lmfao
left bobcat
pikalytics is fine but imo munchstats is a more complete website
https://munch...
Oooooo an apple
polar canyon
Arceus only not gonna rise to like 300% usage because each form is gonna count as a different one in the leaderboards
Omw to win worlds with arceus-bug
stone trellis
The only one worth running is probably Normal.
STAB on E-Speed without Tera and the freedom of holding an item is fucking disgusting.
dense latch
i really don't think arceus is that great aside from the plate-less form
polar canyon
Right I didn't actually think about how people would use it
I'm just thinking pokemon that is god so it's broken
rustic mountain
but i think celesteela and nihilego would still be good
nah idts man, even nihi is fringe case to me
molten oasis
i didnt see the restrcted part
hasty night
Is reg j on showdown yet
dense latch
it is
rustic mountain
i didnt see the restrcted part
ahh gotcha
yea i love the ubs
super cool concept/design choices
rustic mountain
and national dex format for them they r usually very good (no restricteds) but yea those guys make it so tough
molten oasis
in a mega context with flutter i think nihi will be pretty good
polar canyon
I love those weirdos I wanna use xurkitree
dull ibex
https://pokepast.es/e7200867277a6093 any mon changes yall would make?
i showed this team yesterday
rustic mountain
in a mega context with flutter i think nihi will be pretty good
yea i used it a bunch in swsh, it was good
polar canyon
Nihilego was my goat in swsh
dull ibex
cir*
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/e7200867277a6093 any mon changes yall would make?
i stand with that i said yesterday about the item changes and such
dull ibex
i stand with that i said yesterday about the item changes and such
what'd you say
rustic mountain
sash csr on ho feels weird
polar canyon
When I was littler I used to be in a discord server where we played gyms for other kids and nihilego straight up hard carried my gym team for rock so I have a soft spot for it
rustic mountain
haha nice
dull ibex
sash csr on ho feels weird
think i should be orb?
rustic mountain
yea
dense latch
i don't think lando is necessary here just stacks the ice weakness
rustic mountain
agreed
molten oasis
i am excited to uh, play more a9
dull ibex
what would replace lando with
molten oasis
reg h is back and i get to use snow which is actually viable this format
foggy lodge
What is Lando here for
dull ibex
miorai
dense latch
the brute bonnet spread needs work too imo
dull ibex
mirai
foggy lodge
Use Flutter instead
dense latch
what'd you say
cloak on torn to prevent fake out + tr turn 1 from just losing you the game on the spot
molten oasis
was gonna say flutter
dull ibex
okay
foggy lodge
reg h is back and i get to use snow which is actually viable this format
The most underwhelming mon I've used lmao
But fair
molten oasis
a9's fine
polar canyon
Bringing back my goat offensive sinistcha
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/5db090aa7a261e2d id go something closer to this tbh
molten oasis
ice coverage is good in reg h
dull ibex
im going to fix torn as well
foggy lodge
I used tera ice icicle plate and it would do 0 damage
I ended up switching to specs but I think I should have gone sash
rustic mountain
ho csr/korai feels bad no matter how u slice it u need some kinda defensive backbone to play reasonably this format
dense latch
ice coverage is good in reg h
yea im having a lot of fun with bax
rustic mountain
ur bax
dull ibex
rustic mountain
cant believe reg h is sd only (if ur not hitting up irls) its so bittersweet
molten oasis
cant believe reg h is sd only (if ur not hitting up irls) its so bittersweet
its dumb
rustic mountain
it really is
foggy lodge
Don't go max atk bonnet
molten oasis
but i also play sd for the most part so for me its okay
but for the entire competitive scene its stupid
rustic mountain
cart is goated
dull ibex
ight ill redo the spread and have someone retrain it for me
next stump
I hope grassroots tournaments see an uptick for reg H
molten oasis
i would go on cart and play reg i for the last month but im honestly so done
dull ibex
because im out of cash lmao
polar canyon
its horrible
What's up
rustic mountain
I hope grassroots tournaments see an uptick for reg H
yea i feel like the community will step up
polar canyon
Oh
rustic mountain
lol
rustic mountain
u have access to it idk
solid frigate
but yeah not playing that format
molten oasis
hm
solid frigate
u have access to it idk
i was doing funnsies with Jirachi CIR
dense latch
1st match Prankster Gravity Dark Void
now im glad game freak doubled down on the dark void nerf
it’s not like im gonna try the format anytime soon though
sounds unbearable
knotty mirage
Noted so there def some people who will try to be cheeky with darkrai
solid frigate
it’s not like im gonna try the format anytime soon though
reg H is way better at least
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me sending out my shiny darkrai knowing it wont do anything outside maybe hit 1/2 of dark void:
molten oasis
im unsure what im gonna do with reg h
like, my current team is great but i'd like to try other stuff overtime
rustic mountain
ill prolly mess around and play it a bit so i dont get too rusty but idk im just not caring enough of a format that only exists there
molten oasis
especially ccuz there aint no way im playing any reg J
knotty mirage
I just hope there not too much horrid strat when i play the reg next month on cart ladder with mon like pecharunt becoming legal
solid frigate
ill prolly mess around and play it a bit so i dont get too rusty but idk im just...
recommended to not play Reg J if you want to keep your last bit of Sanity
rustic mountain
there will be
next stump
pecharunt dondozo stall
dense latch
thanks i hate it
molten oasis
rustic mountain
recommended to not play Reg J if you want to keep your last bit of Sanity
imma def play it a bit but only for fun, get some run time on my shiny darkrai, shaymin, meloetta and what not but im not gna play it much
dense latch
sounds like a nightmare for ice rider
dull ibex
I can't redo brute bonnet's spread 😔
knotty mirage
But to think about it pecharunt is pretty much a tera hog due too caly s existence
rustic mountain
1 time i wish i finished my shiny arceus hunt already lol
solid frigate
sounds like a nightmare for ice rider
Ice Rider is gonna be even worse than Reg I
And Miraidon stonks again
rustic mountain
But to think about it pecharunt is pretty much a tera hog due too caly s existen...
ull see some dumb strat w/ it but yea it wont be good
knotty mirage
So the mon that need to be wary on next month is arceus and magearna
solid frigate
I’m not too sure about Arceus being as good as people say
Double restricted teams without Mythicals are still gonna be better
rustic mountain
100%
molten oasis
why use arceus when you can use calyrex or miraidon
dull ibex
rustic mountain
why use arceus when you can use calyrex or miraidon
literally
like thats the entire question and nothing else needs to be asked
knotty mirage
Iam kinda worried with people hyping up the e speed arceus actually
molten oasis
its a phase
knotty mirage
Fair enough
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/be3724e9509f6c58 better?
give flutter sash
molten oasis
i love clicking extreme speed into CSR Zamazenta
dull ibex
sash????????
rustic mountain
lmao literally like come on
molten oasis
and exploding to koraidon
knotty mirage
i love clicking extreme speed into CSR Zamazenta
Yeah maybe i just worried too much
rustic mountain
base 120 atk isnt very good for a restricted slot
dense latch
sash????????
most common item on flutter
dull ibex
most common item on flutter
but my flutter is bulky
rustic mountain
i really wish they wouldve done 2 restricted +1 mythical, then we could cook
polar canyon
Looking at what's newly available that could maybe even be worth using outside of gimmicks in a restricted slot, and I just see arceus, maybe hoopa unbound and maybe magearna? Doesn't seem that different
rustic mountain
yea its not much just different levels of bad
knotty mirage
i really wish they wouldve done 2 restricted +1 mythical, then we could cook
I mean eventually we will get no restriction format anyway right
rustic mountain
actually tho
polar canyon
I'm not one for rushed games but like 2026 feels really far for what's being offered with that game
rustic mountain
idk maybe not
dull ibex
I unironically believe champions can replace showdown
rustic mountain
it should but it wont
stone trellis
Only if it's free.
rustic mountain
I'm not one for rushed games but like 2026 feels really far for what's being off...
well have legends za, champions and likely gen 5 remake, itll be fine
polar canyon
Maybe for vgc but itll never be ou and pet mods
solid frigate
why use arceus when you can use calyrex or miraidon
Miraidon just fucks up dark void anyway
manic trench
there's two main reasons why some pokemon may decide to have 0 IVs
- 0 Attack I...
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rustic mountain
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molten oasis
magician? thats ass
dense latch
but my flutter is bulky
no need to give it bulk when you can just sash it that’s what makes sash so good on flutter
molten oasis
holy shit this mon hates urshifu
dull ibex
no need to give it bulk when you can just sash it that’s what makes sash so good...
sigh okay
polar canyon
And u turn
knotty mirage
well have legends za, champions and likely gen 5 remake, itll be fine
I'm not excited for another bdsp chibi artstyle 2.0 remake
rustic mountain
i hope they learned their lesson
molten oasis
i'd much rather get gen 10
polar canyon
You can see power creep in action from hoopas signature move being an 80 bp move and its special effect is applied on every single move urshifu uses
rustic mountain
i'd much rather get gen 10
u will, just holiday season 2026
molten oasis
