competitive_discussion

[next stump]

that's what I would say

[mystic nexus]

Alright I’ll just try to reach 1200 see how I feel and then decide

Thank you Dillon and Erik!

(Weird saying my name outloud lol)

[dense latch]

you're welcome

[next stump]

I like playing in game a lot so sometimes I'll build a team directly in game rather than showdown tbh

[mystic nexus]

LETS FUCKING GO I MADE IT TO 1250 ELO

Honestly with how I’ve been doing I think imma go for it and make my team

I’m so excited

[next stump]

congrats 😄

[mystic nexus]

Thanks! 😎

[gentle crag]

erikh745 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

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[bold geode]

I personally set 1500 as a benchmark cuz I know I can get there if it's BO1
But I mainly look for comfortability and any holes as I think that's FAR more important

[dense latch]

congrats!!

[real prairie]

@mighty stump

[mystic nexus]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

erikh745 has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[mystic nexus]

Aww he’s adorable

[real prairie]

aint he just

[mystic nexus]

I could never have a Snorlax as one of my Pokémon because I’d go broke feeding him

[short quiver]

realistically how far could i get using meowscarada rn, ya think?

[real prairie]

I have a pear tree and a walnut tree in my garden, think id be okay lol

[mystic nexus]

Naw but then he’d give you this look 🥺 wanted actual sweets and you’d have to comply at that rate

[real prairie]

meh, its power crept. focus sash hog tbh

[real prairie]

Sounds a bit more munchlax, snorlax gets its fill and sleeps a week 🤣

[short quiver]

im using assault vest

[mystic nexus]

You right tbh, munchlax would be the one making me broke then LMAO

[short quiver]

tera type is still in the works

[real prairie]

id go Rilla for that tbh

[short quiver]

you can’t make me

[real prairie]

DW i dislike Rilla too

but meta is meta

[short quiver]

f the meta

how far do you think i could get with meowscarada

[real prairie]

As a pineapple user, i appreciate you. but it will come with pain

[short quiver]

my goal will be to beat that number

[real prairie]

depends on the rest of your team

[short quiver]

so gimme a number

[real prairie]

1500

[short quiver]

gimme a bit on that

[short quiver]

OK, that’s pushing it a bit, I know that for a fact

[real prairie]

haha depends on the rest of the team, think the right meow can get 1500 BO1

[short quiver]

bet

[short quiver]

ogerpon, tera turtle, whimsicott (flexible still), ice rider (i really dont wanna use it), grimmsnarl, and my favorite magic cat

[real prairie]

tornadus over whims as 3x grass not ideal

[short quiver]

rip to my shiny cotton ball

[real prairie]

also id lean into TR and drop a TW setter

Ice ride and Turtle be slow

Magic cat can be a uturner turn 1

[short quiver]

my turtle is kinda fast actually

[real prairie]

meh, even max speed turtle slow in the meta

[short quiver]

im honestly considering using someone else besides the horse

too meta for me

[real prairie]

if you are going whimms, go CSR over CIR

[short quiver]

that means im relying on meowscarada as my physical attacker

😄 which is what i wanted anyways

[real prairie]

Ogerpon be hitting hard

lots of bonks

[short quiver]

yes

ogerpon and magic cat will be my physical sweepers

ogerpon also has follow me

to tank for whoever needs to survive another tirn

[real prairie]

does magic cat get fakeout?

feels silly if not

[short quiver]

sadly no

i looked

intensely

[dull ibex]

Restricted+weezing is a goated lead

[tiny karma]

Meowscarada's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Bite, Brick Break, Bullet Seed, Facade, Fling, Flower Trick, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Grassy Glide, Knock Off, Lash Out, Leafage, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Night Slash, Petal Blizzard, Play Rough, Quick Attack, Scratch, Seed Bomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Sucker Punch, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Triple Axel, U-turn

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Disarming Voice, Energy Ball, Frenzy Plant, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Grass Pledge, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mud-Slap, Pollen Puff, Power Gem, Shadow Ball, Solar Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Charm, Copycat, Double Team, Endure, Fake Tears, Grassy Terrain, Helping Hand, Hone Claws, Leech Seed, Nasty Plot, Protect, Psych Up, Rest, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Spikes, Substitute, Tail Whip, Taunt, Toxic Spikes, Trick, Trick Room, Worry Seed

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Meowscarada.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[short quiver]

no fake out

[next stump]

yooo remember the set from Reg A of flower trick/sucker/protect/toxic spikes

[short quiver]

i went assault vest flower trick uturn play rough and idk if i wanna use knock off throat chop or sucker punch

[next stump]

that was a cool adaptation

[short quiver]

hence reg A

[next stump]

yeah you're unfortunately 3 years late to meowscarada being usable

[real prairie]

Uturn, suckerpunch, flower trick, Triple Axel

make most of its ability

then maybe tera ice to sweeten the deal

[short quiver]

triple axel over play rough?

i was thinking fairy cuz theres a lot of dragon legends rn

[real prairie]

covers its weakness into flying types

[next stump]

true actually, ice can also hit amoonguss rilla

lemme run a calc

[real prairie]

and also covers its weakness into ice if you use Protean right

[next stump]

252+ Atk Protean Meowscarada Triple Axel (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Rillaboom: 222-270 (107.2 - 130.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

what are the odds of hitting raw triple axel though

[tiny karma]

Move: Triple Axel

Hits three times. Power increases to 40 for the second hit and 60 for the third. This move checks accuracy for each hit, and the attack ends if the target avoids a hit. If one of the hits breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the remaining hits. If the user has the Skill Link Ability, this move will always hit three times.

Type

Ice

Category

Physical

Power

20

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[real prairie]

Decent

[next stump]

73% not bad

[sharp escarp]

Should I feed my lvl1 mudkip 39472 candies?

[dense latch]

beware of diabetes

dont you have the xl ones

[sharp escarp]

I do

I’ll feed him 39472 xl

[short quiver]

im cooked against urshifu dark though

[next stump]

this pokemon has almost no usage

let me check its usage rate

[dense latch]

yea i wouldnt worry so much about darkfu

[next stump]

4% according to munchstats

[dense latch]

feels much lower honestly

[next stump]

versus 38% rillaboom and 19% amoonguss

yeah it does feel a lot lower

[dense latch]

hardly face any in mid-high ladder

[sharp escarp]

Rapid is more dangerous but if someone figures out a new way to use single urshifu and your not expecting you mightt just be cooked

[next stump]

pokemon team building is a probability game

[real prairie]

5.48% in all regulation I ladders

[sharp escarp]

What do you meannnn I can’t use 6 bidoofs with hyperbeam

I know this year I’ll win worlds with my mudkip

[real prairie]

what im more surprised about is Galar Weezing only being 3%

was everywhere a couple months ago

[dense latch]

wow

[sharp escarp]

I mean without regigigas slaking and toadscruel wasn’t he just kinda eh

[dense latch]

not really

disabling good abilties from opposing foes is usually more valuable than disabling bad abilities

[real prairie]

he was a bit problem with CSR

[sharp escarp]

I mean it would not work on calyrex which is a big threat and I’m sure it was also good for koraidon and Miraidon

[real prairie]

guess that was more last reg though

[sharp escarp]

Guys I need advice

[real prairie]

shoot

[sharp escarp]

I don’t know what I want my final urshifu water move to be

[real prairie]

what version you gone with?

[sharp escarp]

It’s currently fire punch for grass and steel types

[sharp escarp]

Wdym

Like scarlet or violet?

[real prairie]

mystic water, scarf, sash

[sharp escarp]

Oh I chucked sash at him

[foggy lodge]

Aqua jet

[dense latch]

standard set is close combat surging strikes aqua jet protect

[sharp escarp]

Ok

[real prairie]

sash moveset:

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet
• Detect

[dense latch]

or detect if you wanna be cooler

[sharp escarp]

[bold geode]

Literally how

[real prairie]

just an imprison protection

[sharp escarp]

Still is fire punch considers food for urshifu?

[real prairie]

no

[bold geode]

I swear the good mons are being overlooked sometimes

[sharp escarp]

Food

[real prairie]

no STAB

[bold geode]

Fire Punch wha

[sharp escarp]

Ok

[dense latch]

i did not know urshifu learned fire punch
that should tell you how good it is

[sharp escarp]

Me neither it’s a water type

[foggy lodge]

Tera fire fire punch🔥

[sharp escarp]

Hell nah

[bold geode]

Slap Tera Stellar on that bad boy

[sharp escarp]

But actually

[bold geode]

Don't be a bitch
Unga bunga
Clap their ass so hard with a boosted Close Combat

[sharp escarp]

What do I do for it’s tera

[dense latch]

stellar

boosted cc gets some sneaky kos

[foggy lodge]

Water is fine tbh

But I would generally use stellar

[bold geode]

Stellar better imo

[sharp escarp]

Random but I love the move Tera blast

[real prairie]

most use water now to lose the weaknesses

[sharp escarp]

It’s just good

[real prairie]

please use paste

[gentle island]

https://pokepast.es/e6c319dd7c0f5abc

[real prairie]

delete the text wall plz ❤️

danke

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-alcohol-lets-drink-tequila-gif-17171578

Aight let's get started

First off, Rayquaza bad
No
Stop it

[real prairie]

Scarf that Chi-Yu

[sharp escarp]

I wub raywuawa

):

[bold geode]

Second off yeah that Chi Yu wants a Scarf since your Pao is holding that Sash

Third, I do appreciate you at least have a general idea with CSR

[real prairie]

honestly if you are gonna run this squishy team, go Choice Band Raya

commit to the glass cannons

[bold geode]

But sadly I feel this team is gonna lose a lot of games a ton to just speed control

Cuz you don't really have any sort of speed control

[real prairie]

also tera stellar if you are going sacred sword Pao imo

[short quiver]

ill take that gamble honestly

[bold geode]

Like sure you have Clefairy to redirect but what's stopping a Calyrex Ice Rider in Trick Room from just Glacial spamming you to death
Cuz the Clefairy isn't built right for the After You tech

[sharp escarp]

Clafairy is good because of its ability righ

[real prairie]

and being Slow AF

[short quiver]

clarity the best pokemon of all time

[real prairie]

so it can after you in TR and make your fast mons go first

[bold geode]

Except it's not min speed so

[real prairie]

yeah that needs fixing lol

[sharp escarp]

Guys I swear it’s the auto correct

[real prairie]

we knew what you meant dw

[sharp escarp]

[real prairie]

there is also a reason we didnt mention Okidogi, because it doesn't even belong in our mentions lol

replace with Whims

[short quiver]

yeah but like what is Meowscaradas usage stat, so darkfu is always a potential threat to me

[real prairie]

0.02%

[sharp escarp]

Please forget he exist so I can use him and beat you

[short quiver]

and im gonna be crying that my meowscarada doesnt have play rough

[real prairie]

sorry, 0.37% in all Reg I

[sharp escarp]

MEOWSCARADA CANT LEARN LLAY ROUGH?!

[bold geode]

You know when they say one in a million
That's you

[short quiver]

yeah it can

[short quiver]

im a special boy

[sharp escarp]

Ooh

I thought you said it can’t

[bold geode]

[sharp escarp]

I re-read it

“Doesn’t have” not “can’t have”

[next stump]

if anyone else is going hmu 😄

[lofty tartan]

@next stump man I didn't realize that Registration was tonight for Pittsburgh. I was expecting more like around the 19th

[short quiver]

yeah someone here told me use triple axel. im gonna meet the one guy using darkfu and not have play rough and spend the whole fight crying

[sharp escarp]

Hey I’ll put him on and we can 1v1 I’ll lose anyways but

[next stump]

yeah it came quick :/ I think they're starting to do about 8 weeks out now

[lofty tartan]

That's nuts.

[short quiver]

darkfu surely doesnt lose to meowscarada

[lofty tartan]

Like I can pay for it and everything I just haven't made sure I can go yet and they're non-refundable 😐

[sharp escarp]

That’s what you think

[real prairie]

not really, just uturn out

[short quiver]

id love to be wrong honestly

[real prairie]

you should outspeed

[short quiver]

trueeeeeee

[short quiver]

remember no choice scarf

i have AV

do i bother putting any ivs into def stats with the av or do i full in attack and speed

[bold geode]

Tell the wife you have a "business trip"

[lofty tartan]

Nah I'm always open and honest with her. Especially when it comes to money.

[bold geode]

Yeah I'm just fuckin around

[real prairie]

max speed Urshifu is 149 speed, just speedcreep it

[short quiver]

oh yeah meowscarada WAY out speeds

[sharp escarp]

What’s a good trick room setter?

lol

[real prairie]

needs 56 investment to speedcreep

[real prairie]

CIR, Indeedee-F

[short quiver]

^^^?

[real prairie]

depends what you want to outspeed and what you want to try to survive

[sharp escarp]

Torcoal

[lofty tartan]

Usually things with a Vest don't go max speed max attack.

[real prairie]

doesnt set TR

[real prairie]

usually Meowscarada is left in playthroughs

[short quiver]

i want to tank at least 1 surging strikes from an urshifu and an aqua jet so i dont just get cheesed

[short quiver]

usually meowscarada isnt wearing one 😭

[lofty tartan]

Meowscarada with a vest. Seems like a bad time.

[short quiver]

for who the meowscarada or the opponent

[real prairie]

You do that naturally with no investment

[lofty tartan]

The person playing Meowscarada.

[short quiver]

say on god

[lofty tartan]

Don't do it.

[sharp escarp]

Alright I’ll go get glastrier one sec

[short quiver]

whos gonna stop me

[lofty tartan]

On God is such a stupid phrase.

[real prairie]

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Meowscarada on a critical hit: 72-87 (47.6 - 57.6%) -- 97.3% chance to 2HKO

[lofty tartan]

No one cares enough to stop you. O.o

[short quiver]

yeah but what about an aqua jet to finish me off afterwards

i need to make sure i can tank the aqua jet afterwards

[real prairie]

you outspeed unless its scarf, in which case you kill with flower trick

and if its scarf it cant change move

[lofty tartan]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[short quiver]

isnt aqua jet priority 😭

[real prairie]

i meant turn 1

[short quiver]

oh you meant just snipe it with the bomb flower

got it

[real prairie]

kill it before it kills you, or if its scarf, it cant change moves and you still kill with flower trick

[short quiver]

do i max attack max speed and like the last 4 points into hp?

[real prairie]

what benefit is the AV doing really at this stage over say, Choice Band?

what are you trying to survive with AV

[short quiver]

the ability to use different moves

[short quiver]

i want my cat to live

[real prairie]

focus sash

[next stump]

meowscarada does not have the staying power to use multiple moves without dying

[real prairie]

focus sash best way to keep it alive

[short quiver]

so choice band choice scarf or focus sash

[next stump]

244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera-Fairy Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Meowscarada: 204-242 (134.2 - 159.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

put the fries in the bag

[sharp escarp]

Oh my god fro the past 7 months I thought glastrier had a good design

He looks so goofy

[next stump]

choice scarf because it's too slow for the format

[next stump]

and maybe you can snipe stuff like urshifu/calyrex-shadow/miraidon if they don't play safe

[short quiver]

cool

[next stump]

252+ Atk Protean Meowscarada Triple Axel (3 hits) vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 200-242 (110.4 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[real prairie]

if you dont go scarf you absolutely go sash

[real prairie]

whats the 2 hit calcs, as those are probably the most likely

[short quiver]

W

[lofty tartan]

Checking flights now to see how much this'll hurt if i decide tonight that I'm going to Pitt

[next stump]

252+ Atk Protean Meowscarada Triple Axel (2 hits) vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 98-122 (54.1 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[lofty tartan]

Flights are looking pretty okay. 250 bucks to fly out of Bangor.

[next stump]

remmeber if you need a place to stay, 99% chance you can split with me and the IL VGC people

[sharp escarp]

Oh my god src is so much faster than irc

[lofty tartan]

I'll definitely remember that. I'm gonna see if I can swing it.

[short quiver]

it only takes 2 of the 3 hits? 😮

what tera type should i go for chat

[dense latch]

it does 67% max with two hits

[short quiver]

i heard someone say ice

[dense latch]

there's no point in giving it that

[sharp escarp]

Ok guys what should my irc moveset be

[next stump]

what is irc

[short quiver]

calyrex ice

[dense latch]

ice rider calyrex

[sharp escarp]

Ice rider

[dense latch]

abbreviate to CIR that's the standard one

[sharp escarp]

Ok sry

[short quiver]

so what do i use instead

[next stump]

glacial/high horsepower/trick room/protect is the go to and easiest to use

[sharp escarp]

I was gonna say you guys put it as calerex ice rider

[next stump]

you can sub close combat or leech seed over high horsepower

[dense latch]

some defensive tera of your choice i guess

tera types are weird with a protean mon

[short quiver]

steel? poison? flying? fairy?

ground?

fire maybe?

fire has a lot of resistances

[dense latch]

most do grass apparently

[short quiver]

living dangerously

tera grass is a scary type to go with most of the time, no?

especially on such a frail mon

[dense latch]

im just basing it off the usage stats i haven't played a meowscarada in six months

[lofty tartan]

Tera Grass is pretty good actually.

[short quiver]

meowscarada is a glass cannon though so tera grass flower trick would make sense

[dense latch]

you're gonna be using sash anyways right

you should if you're not

[real prairie]

lots of Tera grass seed bomb/Leech seed now

[short quiver]

idk if i wanna sash or scarf

[dense latch]

point stands for the latter imo

you'd want it to hit as hard as possible as fast as possible

[real prairie]

tera stellar focus sash honestly

tera stellar and protean is fun

[sharp escarp]

Does protean change Tera type?

[real prairie]

no

but you can use protean as a fake tera

then actually tera and then get the full damage

i think thats how it works, so if you use Protean Triple axel and become an ice type, youd then be a tera-stallar ice type?

[short quiver]

🤔

not a bad idea

[real prairie]

someone correct me if im wrong

it sounds right

[short quiver]

it makes sense to me

[lofty tartan]

Protean and Stellar tera are weird.

I've looked into this.

If you Stellar Tera before activating Protean, then Protean will change your type to the type of move you used, then you'll get Stellar Tera but will still be, say, Ice Type. You'll get a 20% bonus to an Ice move once and then it'll go back down to 1.5x

[real prairie]

unless Tera Stellar turns off Protean

ah it works both ways

result

[lofty tartan]

I don't think Stellar turns off Protean.

[sharp escarp]

Ok

[short quiver]

ill test later

im off work in a couple minutes

[sharp escarp]

Thanks for explaining

[short quiver]

tera stellar does intrigue me though

ill try it and see how it goes

focus sash triple axel, uturn, sucker punch probably, flower trick tera stellar 252+ atk and 252 spe and like 4 hp?

[lofty tartan]

Anyway. I gotta go back to working on this Mod. Tomorrow is publication day.

[real prairie]

you mod games? Might need your help with one 👀

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna have to haul ass to get this out tomorrow.

[real prairie]

GL

[lofty tartan]

In the past 3 months I've taught myself Larian Studio's coding language, and I'm publishing a huge Firearm Mod for Baldur's Gate 3 tomorrow.

[real prairie]

Goated

[lofty tartan]

But after learning that, most other modding looks easy.

[real prairie]

i need someone to help build a pokemon Romhack lol

[lofty tartan]

I've been looking into it. I've gotta help my daughter cause she wants to make a Minecraft mod. So I've been extending feelers out

I'm sure something that's akin to a Gameboy game should be easier than this.

[short quiver]

thoughts? idk what to do with the 4 leftover points lmao

[lofty tartan]

You've overthinking it. HP or Defense, slap it, and go forward.

It's one stat point. It's not that deep.

[real prairie]

in short, the idea is actually 9 mods of the base game roms from each gen, with scaled leveling between them. So Kanto 0-30 Johto 30-40 etc

[dense latch]

i'd drop uturn for protect honestly

[short quiver]

cool

[real prairie]

ill holla you at a later date @lofty tartan if you are down

[lofty tartan]

Hmmm

[dense latch]

i think sash mons typically want protect to avoid fake out or some chip from breaking it

[lofty tartan]

You could likely fit scaling thresholds into one mod.

[real prairie]

problem is then gen 9 when i get there

[short quiver]

hmmmm

[lofty tartan]

A lot of these ROM hacks have been adding Gen 9 mons lately.

Even Pokemon Revolution Online has added Gen 9

[real prairie]

basically trying to replicate Ash journey through all the regions, you only get to bring your partner with you into the next one

[lofty tartan]

Great game btw.

[real prairie]

but if you were to finish red for example with a lv 75 mon, you kinda sweep Johto

[lofty tartan]

I mean this is doable. Pokemon Revolution Online gated the regions behind badges and requirements and when you go to a new Region, your boxes get locked.

[real prairie]

thus the scaling

[lofty tartan]

Until you become League Champ for that region.

[short quiver]

instead of uturn you said?

[lofty tartan]

I accepted your friend request.

[real prairie]

thanks

will holla you close to the time, going to use it for a YT video eventually

[dense latch]

probably yea

[short quiver]

now to obtain a tornadus

[lofty tartan]

One of my custom gun models. Fully textured and ready to use.

[dense latch]

sweet

[real prairie]

cool shit, most ive ever fucked with is probably my windows install lol

[sharp escarp]

Ah yes bug less amazing 5 star game

[lofty tartan]

I've been adding variants for different rarities and unique weapons. The total amount of firearms being added is 126

New passives, new feats, a slew of new spells

Tonight I gotta finish texturing all of the variants

Then add skill/spell icons

[short quiver]

tornadus instead of whimsicott, and what else we thinking

[real prairie]

this is the extent of my handywork 🤣

[lofty tartan]

That's pretty rad.

[forest arrow]

indeed

i think it was meant for comp but airballed

[lofty tartan]

They have a thriving PVP scene in Revolution Online

Month ladders, rewards, rules. Etc. I've played PRO quite a bit but lately been busy.

[forest arrow]

thats cool actually

[short quiver]

should grimm have light screen reflect spirit break thunder wave or light screen reflect spirit break fake out

[forest arrow]

thunder wave over fake out

[real prairie]

that game still have native online? or is it private servers?

[lofty tartan]

I'm probably gonna pick the game up again soon if I can ever finish these mods lmfao.

[chrome knot]

didn’t register for pitts & didn’t feel bad abt it

im healing

[real prairie]

Proud of you girlie! don't force yourself into shit

[forest arrow]

Sounds like fun need to hmu on the deets

[lofty tartan]

You're not gonna come see me and Dillon? Shame.

[lofty tartan]

Dude yeah I have a Guild in PRO

[chrome knot]

ill be there to spectate

[lofty tartan]

Oh that's awesome then

[chrome knot]

kat & i roadtripping :3

[lofty tartan]

Some travel, some R&R, stress free time

Not having to fret about matchups and shit. It's a good idea.

My break did a world of good for me

[forest arrow]

Youre going to Pitts?

[lofty tartan]

I'm heavily considering. My boss is really good with time off, and I'm making huge bank now.

I'm no longer living paycheck to paycheck with a child.

[forest arrow]

shooottt been a minute since we seen a mika regional

[lofty tartan]

Like I can pay for all of my travel and lodging tonight if I wanted to.

Which is a great feeling instead of saving for months.

[real prairie]

This my issue ATM with 3 kids, glad you are out of it.

[lofty tartan]

The two-months space between now and Pitt is a bit meh but it gives me time to secure a great rate on a round trip plane ticket.

[lofty tartan]

Man my wife and I both work, we've got an eight year old, our place sucks and real estate is a horror show out here but we're managing.

We're hopefully looking at buying a house now.

[forest arrow]

Currently career hunting to get out of that situation myself

[sharp escarp]

I know armarogue is good for competetive but is ceruledge

[forest arrow]

Just don’t know what I wanna do man

[real prairie]

GGs my guy, good work.

[lofty tartan]

My job is incredibly good but I don't think currently a career unless I move up.

I went from hospitality to overnight security. Super laid back.

I get to play Pokemon Go all night and walk around the city.

[real prairie]

We are about 44k in the hole ATM. Need to get out of that before we can even save

[lofty tartan]

For like 20 an hour which is totally fine for me.

[real prairie]

I'd love to be in a position to do a full VGC season, international tour style

[sharp escarp]

Holy

[real prairie]

Long weekends away with the fam all over the globe

[forest arrow]

A goal for me that’s for sure

[real prairie]

Deffo do it before you have kids lol

Unfortunately I didn't learn about VGC til 2 years ago

[forest arrow]

I just learned myself about 2 years ago

[real prairie]

If I knew as a teenager I'd 100% have played

[lofty tartan]

Mixed bag there. My kid wants to compete now.

[forest arrow]

Me too, I was so upset when I first found out about comp, all those years I could’ve played lmao

[sharp escarp]

Wait but my urshifu speed is 269

[real prairie]

Mine too lol eldest is 8

[lofty tartan]

Yeah my daughter is 8 too. She's ready to ruin Juniors.

[real prairie]

Not at LV 50 it's not

[sharp escarp]

Oh yeah I forgot

[forest arrow]

And she’s got a kick ass coach too

[lofty tartan]

I'm okay

[real prairie]

Mine is playing his first play through of scarlet and violet now

[sharp escarp]

So would setting up trick room benefit urshifu in any way

[short quiver]

calyrex shadow. astral barrage, psychic, protect and what

[real prairie]

Depends on the urshifu build

[next stump]

yeah it definitely can

[forest arrow]

Encore, Will O wisp, Nasty plot

[short quiver]

and the most common is tera …?

[real prairie]

If you gone ultra bulky set it can be really good

[short quiver]

will o wisp 😄

[forest arrow]

Ghost/normal for sash, life orb likes dark Tera

[short quiver]

life orb so dark

[real prairie]

A few run tera fighting

Or tera fairy draining kiss

[forest arrow]

Yes

Wasn’t there a Tera grass one too?

Can’t rememeber if Tera giga drain was a thing or not

[molten oasis]

[next stump]

very late Reg G there was

[chrome knot]

ive been enjoying my break i haven’t touched the game since NAIC, and instead became a top mario kart world player :3

[real prairie]

Yeah when I was pissing off people in Reg G with scarf Kyogre in 1700 Bo1 ladder 🤣 good times

[forest arrow]

okay that was reg g nvm

[next stump]

smeargle/grass CSR/tornadus

[real prairie]

Well I'd like to claim credit, but probs wasn't just me

[short quiver]

where can i find triple axel

nvm

i need to murder some sneasels

[sharp escarp]

Hey so in the stats of a pokemon when it says “switch graph view” what does that do

[short quiver]

i do need to find sucker punch tho

[sharp escarp]

It’s yellow but

[real prairie]

Learns it natively I think

[short quiver]

what level

it does not

it learns bite night slash and knock off naturally

[real prairie]

Stand corrected

It's an egg move

[short quiver]

😦

[real prairie]

Delete a move, put a mirror herb on it, put a Pokémon in your party with suckerpunch, start a picnic

[short quiver]

yep

[real prairie]

Meow now has sucker punch

[sharp escarp]

Ok so my team so far is urshifu dark cir

I have no idea what else to put

[real prairie]

CSR metagame is blow shit up, so utilise that. You can check it's most common partners with munchstats

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

[real prairie]

https://munchstats.com/

[lofty tartan]

Practice is necessary for you to move forward in skill, but no one talks about rest and breaks ever.

[short quiver]

i know how egg moves work

[real prairie]

Sorry, just incase you didn't

[short quiver]

i bred for high jump kick scorbunny

and quash hatenna

[real prairie]

Pretty sure this is just me 🤣

[short quiver]

we’re twins. you with ludicolo me with meowscarada

[real prairie]

That's in 1630+ but yeah, it's why I'm so open to helping you make the niche work 🤣

[short quiver]

tera stellar wooooo

i gotta find a sneasel

so i can craft a triple axell

did i hear someone say shadow rider can have tera normal

[chrome knot]

yes but its bad

[short quiver]

i have 100 each of normal and fighting shards

[chrome knot]

resist astral immune to psychic > immune to astral neutral to psychic

[short quiver]

oh i have 46 dark shards

thats easy

[lofty tartan]

@real prairie

This is gonna be my night. Texture maps.

This is a Triple-Barrel Sawed Off Shotgun. Can you tell?

[real prairie]

Sure 🤥

[lofty tartan]

This is what it looks like skinned

I'm altering the texture map for a recolor

[shadow wind]

Oh man I really hope I shared the most recent version of my team, gotta play on mobile and don’t have the team on my phone

[tender stump]

hey hey im new to the discord and just started playing the game again. I havent played since the red/blue days.. I want to learn to play competitive... are there any resources i can look up that can teach me what i need to know or is it more of a just play it to learn it thing?

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by dazedmika. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[lofty tartan]

Everything you'll need to get started is right here.

[tender stump]

Thanks!

[lofty tartan]

@real prairie Okay I think I outdid myself here.

[real prairie]

That's pweety

But it's also quarter to 2 in the morning here so ima have to politely ask you to stop @ me til the morning 🤣

Work at 9am

[lofty tartan]

Oh sorry, didn't realize there was such a time zone difference between us, otherwise I wouldn't have pinged.

[gentle island]

Whats a good restricted partner for Terapagos?

[dense latch]

shadow rider

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/DatGuyJimmeh/status/1950634295166382090

Jim Jam (@DatGuyJimmeh)

Who would have thought, Pao/Pult took BOTH finalist spots in last nights reg C tour with @smilegazer winning the mirror. Be ready for this duo on Friday to get that grand prize! See ya there https://t.co/6mFpTTIiI9

X · Jul 30, 2025, 7:07 PM

A reg C tournament on limitless this friday

[dense latch]

PLEASEEE give us reg c back i wanna use dragapult again

[waxen dock]

Miraidon

[lofty tartan]

@next stump

Here's hoping for Reg H no Tera

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-lady-chit-jay-renshaw-the-groundlings-you-go-girl-gif-1136019268058911468

[short quiver]

it does

i use tera at the beginning of the fight protean never activates

and it remains the type it was before i tera’d if protean already triggered

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2412435991-ggcqgpyky0825tw03d8fkw5y4aabqsepw

[bold geode]

[shadow wind]

Whatchu mean how was Miraidon faster, did my Volc do nothing last turn ?

[molten oasis]

scarf?

[shadow wind]

Tailwind 😭😭

[molten oasis]

oof

[shadow wind]

Also new account just dropped

I think it’s a fire name

[spiral ridge]

If your volca is bulky not surprising you’d need TW and some to beat scarf

If it is scarf

If not then yeah your volca may just be not enough speed invest to beat 252+ speed maybe

[shadow wind]

Huh?

I set up tailwind and apparently my opponent didn’t see that and was confused as to how my specs Miraidon outsped CSR, I don’t know what else is being said

[wooden steeple]

smartest 1200 elo sd player:

[waxen dock]

What is sd?

[wooden steeple]

showdown

[shadow wind]

Sums it up

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2412495923-xckkpwtiuvjli74al8gbrcfw9lyey58pw

AV Incin my goat

[foggy lodge]

Conner

[rustic mountain]

#notwatching #youplaygroudon #regibouttabeadeadformat

[foggy lodge]

Would you play a reg C tournament this weekend

!!!!!

[foggy lodge]

Retweet

[shadow wind]

I’m busy this weekend 😔

[foggy lodge]

#notwatching #youplaygroudon #regibouttabeadeadformat

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[shadow wind]

But have you seen Incin take 45% from Electro drift?

[foggy lodge]

Damn

[rustic mountain]

that is cool

[foggy lodge]

I'm gonna use Joseph's team from reg C

[shadow wind]

I’m actually like dead busy this weekend thinking about it

[foggy lodge]

I can use Jumpluff again

[shadow wind]

I’m house sitting 2 houses and gotta swim

[foggy lodge]

I could do it in reg I with that Koraidon Weezing team but I don't want to lmao

[rustic mountain]

me knowing we are gna get reg g 3 or reg i 2:

[foggy lodge]

To play Pagos Heatran again

[shadow wind]

Reg G 3 would be my prime

[foggy lodge]

So epic and exciting

[rustic mountain]

reg g 3 is instant u wont see me until champions

[wooden steeple]

same

[shadow wind]

Also in that replay I sent Groudon lived a wood hammer 😭

[foggy lodge]

Nah I don't think they would do reg G 3

[shadow wind]

My mons just didn’t die

[foggy lodge]

Its more likely another 4 months of reg I lmao

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[wooden steeple]

was heat crash into rillaboom 120 bp?

[foggy lodge]

Where its the same as Tree I dissapear until champions

[wooden steeple]

if so crazy it lived too

[shadow wind]

Nah no sun

And no Tera

And Rilla are running fat

[wooden steeple]

bp is base power

[foggy lodge]

Heat crash tera fire in sun kills Landorus

Its the only calc I remember from playing Groudon

[wooden steeple]

ngl watching that I was consistently sad for groudons damage output lol

[shadow wind]

Heat crash from Groudon into Rilla is always 120 BP yes

[shadow wind]

😔

[rustic mountain]

seems about right

[shadow wind]

If I would’ve Tera’d turn one I probably would’ve won instantly

[rustic mountain]

-8ball do wo chien raid tn?

[gentle crag]

do wo chien raid tn?
:8ball: My sources say no

[shadow wind]

I did a woch raid

[rustic mountain]

-8ball but are you lying?

[gentle crag]

but are you lying?
:8ball: Don't count on it

[foggy lodge]

Sounds like a genuine response

[wooden steeple]

also ngl switching groudon in front of the incin switchin hurt my soul lol

[shadow wind]

So I’m contributing

[foggy lodge]

Thanks Rotom

[rustic mountain]

rotom is rarely genuine

[foggy lodge]

I already beated Wo-Chien twice I made my part

[rustic mountain]

you did your part you mean?

[foggy lodge]

yeh

[shadow wind]

Which turn?

Also I think that’s enough mobile for me 😭

[rustic mountain]

every turn it attacked

[wooden steeple]

when incin switched in and threatened fake out so you allowed them free fakeout into your mirai

[shadow wind]

They didn’t have Incin?

[wooden steeple]

don't remember the turn

uh one sec might've been rilla

[shadow wind]

Oh turn 3

Yeah I was going for a hard read, it clearly didn’t work

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/90a8603b99b77cf6

Scarf great tusk is wild

[wooden steeple]

yea just doubling into csr was a really safe guaranteed win that you threw for the attempted hard read lol

[shadow wind]

I wouldn’t have killed with either

[wooden steeple]

then again, he did also do that protect follow me play the tuen before that also kinda did nothing

[shadow wind]

And they could’ve easily dkiss’ed and healed

[wooden steeple]

you sure 120 base power heat crash in sun doesn't ko a 20% calyrex?

[shadow wind]

Fake out

[wooden steeple]

yea only one of your two mons

[shadow wind]

And also Groudon don’t live AB

+1 lorb hurts

[wooden steeple]

IT DOESN'T??????

[shadow wind]

Broski it has 90 spdef

[wooden steeple]

so it's doing no damage and also dying to everything??????

😭 😭 😭 😭

[shadow wind]

Hey

I still won

That’s all that matters

[wooden steeple]

yea fair

man I like groudon but thats just sad lmao

[shadow wind]

We’re chilling here on ladder for now

[wooden steeple]

wait was your opponent 1600 bo3??

[shadow wind]

I think they were 1400ish?

I only got 14 elo

[wooden steeple]

bro used follow me the same turn his other mon protected lmao

[foggy lodge]

The addiction is real

[shadow wind]

They did that to sac

[shadow wind]

It’s barely an addiction

[foggy lodge]

I've done that too

[wooden steeple]

I don't think that was a good sac given how the next turn could've played out lol

[shadow wind]

Yeah it’s not a bad play

[foggy lodge]

Its fine if you recognize you have to get a free switch

[shadow wind]

Especially into a fake out

[wooden steeple]

eh maybe I guess

[foggy lodge]

Have you seen that Shiliang fake out follow me play

That match was so good

[shadow wind]

I saw someone fake out their own Miraidon

That was a cool play

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/s_tZesaGLZM?si=M8DDtoHG20Miqc1E

[wooden steeple]

yea vs mdb right to hard read double protect in front of specs + fake out lol

[shadow wind]

Yup

[wooden steeple]

imagine he hadn't actually double protected 💀

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

I want Reg J to be Reg H no Tera so bad.

[shadow wind]

I think I would pop off in a no Tera format

I already forget about it half the time anyway

[dense latch]

my guess is reg h + paradox or reg f

[shadow wind]

Whatever it is I’m going to play so much of it

Does that mean showdown will have the new format in like 3 days?

[dense latch]

last time they did it the day of the announcement

which should be tomorrow

[dense latch]

finding victor's play and his best play to counter it in the short time he's given is insane

[shadow wind]

Rest in peace Reg I

Glad I ended it off with some wins

[molten oasis]

FREEDOM!

freedom is soon

[stone trellis]

I actually kind of want to see a rerun of Reg H.

I bought Violet during the tail end of that regulation, so I didn't have enough time to get into competitive until G's second run in March.

[shadow wind]

I just want a no Tera format

That’s all I ask for

[stone trellis]

I don't know, man.

[waxen dock]

I started to play vgc in showdown in the end of reg f and the start of reg g and i startes to play vgc on cart on reg h

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2412558031

When you don’t need trick room with caly ice

[stone trellis]

It's almost like it's a really strong restricted, am I right?

[lofty tartan]

Reg H no Tera

👀

[real prairie]

ey?

[foggy lodge]

I wish it was a no tera format but I don't think they will close the gen by removing the gen's gimmick

[lofty tartan]

They removed Dynamax for a format in Gen 8

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but iirc it was like just a single format in the middle of the gen

Idk if they would do it for the in theory final reg

But eh who knows fella

[lofty tartan]

Presumably we still have a good deal of time left in SV

We don't have a new game coming until 2026

[foggy lodge]

Hmmm

[lofty tartan]

Except ZA, right?

October?

[foggy lodge]

Ig it also depends on how long will champions take

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[lofty tartan]

From what I saw it said 2026

For Champions

Which, I am very hype for Champions.

[foggy lodge]

I hope it is a good format

Today is announced!!!

I hope

[lofty tartan]

I'm just saying, and I'm not the only one, that a no Tera format could be possible. Stipulations are whatever TCPI wants them to be.

Either way a low power format after Reg G 2.0 and Reg I would be very much appreciated

[foggy lodge]

Fs

Reg H + Paradox = another perish win btw

[chrome knot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/Gwv6k0AWoAAmdJt.gif

[next stump]

we’re down to 10 hours folks

[short quiver]

hey chat what’s that site i can run damage calcs on

i wanna see if my meowscaradas flower trick was supposed to one shot my friends urshifu or if he just sucks at the game

[next stump]

google VGC damage calc

and click on the nerdofnow website

[short quiver]

cool

ummm mine is none of these

[next stump]

do blank set

and enter your EVs

[short quiver]

um

about that

theres should be an ingame way to get ev numbers

😔

[next stump]

there should be, but if you’re struggling to figure it out just send a picture of your meowscarada here

if you send the judge screen with its IVs, its level, and the final stats it has

I can figure out the EVs

[short quiver]

gimme a bit

[next stump]

this is your stat spread

you can tell your stats are maxed because that stat graph has stars next to attack and speed, which mean they're maxed out

[short quiver]

yeah

i did that myself

with those bracer items

[next stump]

sooooo, where did the confusion come in when using the calculator earlier if you did the EVs yourself

[short quiver]

i have max out ivs dont i 😨

man im dumb

yep it was supposed to one shot

and my triple axel one shot his miraidon

[stone trellis]

Axel from who?

[short quiver]

Meowscarada

well

[stone trellis]

Did it have Protean?

[short quiver]

“one shot” but it took al 3 kicks

[short quiver]

correct

[stone trellis]

Yeah, that's kind of a 120 BP STAB super effective single-target physical move that's hitting into Miraidon's weaker defensive stat.

Of course it kills.

[chrome knot]

we could icicle crash for similar results

[stone trellis]

Icicle Crash is 30% weaker, but yeah.

[short quiver]

should flower trick have one shot a water urshifu

[stone trellis]

Most likely.

[short quiver]

can meowscarada even learn icicle crash

[chrome knot]

chien pao

[chrome knot]

sword of ruin boost

[stone trellis]

Yeah, I guess that evens things out.

[short quiver]

my meowscarada managed just fine

i didnt even tera

and to whoever said meowscarada wont work on ladder im 6 wins 3 losses

[chrome knot]

6-3 in either 1000 elo on showdown or pokeball tier in game

good metrics being used here..

[shadow wind]

Only the best players in the world would even dare to try to go 7-2 in those metrics

[chrome knot]

maybe they can go 8-1 as a little treat

which also reminded me that im part of pokemon art lore with meowscarada/dragapult lmao

https://x.com/sudogiri/status/1837979139921662002?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

Sudogiri 🦐 | 🇻🇪 (@sudogiri)

dragon darts meowscarada isn't real, it can't hurt you

dragon darts meowscarada:

X · Sep 22, 2024, 10:15 PM

[next stump]

@real prairie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-NQoA9l96g

[real prairie]

OH

interesting

[next stump]

the original creators username has "2011" in it

do you think they are 14 hahaha

[real prairie]

LOL

does that say they came 4th in a tourney?

[next stump]

4th in the online ranked season

[real prairie]

oh meh

thats fine lol

i retain my title

[shadow wind]

Meh?

4th is so impressive

Like unbelievably impressive

[next stump]

I'd say topping the in game ranked ladder is probably as much of an achievement as top cutting a regional, definitely really really hard to do

[shadow wind]

100%

[dense latch]

their account was created in 2015 i hope they haven’t been on twitter since they were 4 lmao

[next stump]

🙏 we are safe

[bold geode]

[short quiver]

someone should run meowscarada in vgc so i can watch the video

[short quiver]

6-3 is still big for me

[dense latch]

yea the more i think about it meowscarada is just a worse chien pao

you at least want your niche pokemon to

well have a niche

something it can do that others can’t and pao just does meowscarada but better

[short quiver]

meowscarada does have a niche if you try hard enough

[short quiver]

im still using meowscarada

[dense latch]

go for it i guess no one’s stopping you

[short quiver]

5 of the six games i won meowscarada deleted at least 2 of the enemy mons

[short quiver]

they should add ultra beasts to paldea 😔

[next stump]

this regions got about 6 months left until its obsolete

[chrome knot]

honk

so what time are we coping abt that is format release

[real prairie]

Meh because I can ignore ladder to retain my title 🤣

I understand the achievement of it

Kings rock fling for double flinching 🤣

I like it

[bold geode]

Ok I'm guessing nothing yet

[next stump]

either 5 hours or 6 hours depending on time zones

not sure if time zones have swapped since last announcement

[bold geode]

Imma go further
We don't get anything til tomorrow

[next stump]

i dont think they've broken this trend all generation, that would be crazy

[foggy lodge]

Idk if that much but its really not different from getting high ranking on the bo3 ladder

Its better than getting a high ranking on sd bo1

Cart is where most asian top players practice

And asian players are a bit too good at the game fs

[molten oasis]

We may be free today

[foggy lodge]

To play reg A and reg C!!!

And test for the format that is announced later!!!

[molten oasis]

No more double restricted!

[bold geode]

I mean tomorrow's the 1st so like not too late

[short quiver]

exactly, make UBs legal for the last 6 months

[stone trellis]

They aren't in the fucking game.

Their code is literally not in the game.

How can you make something legal if you can't use it in the game, Arlecc?

[foggy lodge]

valid crash out

[short quiver]

add it . updating a game is a new concept, i guess

[stone trellis]

You would think that if they wanted the UBs to be in the game, they would've made that addition during the two DLCs or in the last TWO WHOLE YEARS between Indigo Disk's release and now.

Why would you add another group of legendary-like Pokemon to the game? Are the paradoxes not enough?

[short quiver]

since when do we care what gamefreak wants

[stone trellis]

Not my point.

[short quiver]

but am i wrong

[stone trellis]

Also, you'd think that such an important event as the addition of old Pokemon into the game would've been leaked to death already.

[short quiver]

unfortunately

[stone trellis]

So why aren't there any leaks?

[short quiver]

am i not allowed to dream 😔

[stone trellis]

THIS COMMUNITY LEAKS MORE THAN MY SHITTY FUCKING SINKER, WHERE ARE THE LEAKS OF THE UBs BEING TRANSFERRABLE THROUGH HOME?

Dream on as much as you like.

[short quiver]

🙂

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2412865219

i wouldve been so mad bro missed heat wave on both targets twice

[lofty tartan]

I released my mod

Needs some more visual work but it's active and able to be used

[short quiver]

never trust accuracy in this game

[stone trellis]

Which one are you?

[left bobcat]

ChorizoGrande

the winner

[stone trellis]

I kind of want to run Tera Ground Tera Blast on CIR instead of High Horsepower because of that dual bikes match.

[short quiver]

that actually sounds not that bad

[stone trellis]

Trust me, it's kind of shitty.

[left bobcat]

i mean tera ground blast shadow rider existed

[short quiver]

so is my meowscarada and i still win games

[stone trellis]

You're weak to Rillaboom, Kyogre, Urshifu and opposing CIR.

[left bobcat]

i remember losing to it caught me by surprise

[stone trellis]

I'm never using CSR.

[short quiver]

*shadow rider

oh no i misread that

ignore me

[left bobcat]

i miss seismitoad

[foggy lodge]

Dual bikes is almost non existant

[stone trellis]

If you catch a person with my username playing CSR, I'm either hacked or dead.

[foggy lodge]

Sash Flutter is already a built in check for it

[short quiver]

i can handle urshifu water and rillaboom. it took 2 flower tricks to remove a kyogre though

[stone trellis]

I know, but missing High Horsepower TWICE when it would've killed Koraidon on both instances is so fucking infuriating.

[short quiver]

and ice rider i have pokes for

[foggy lodge]

That's just bad rng tbh lol

Pokémon is a game about luck and we all have to understand that

[stone trellis]

I'm no stranger to that bullshit.

[foggy lodge]

To win in pokemon one has to be lucky

[left bobcat]

fr

[foggy lodge]

Not extremely lucky but if your opponent crits you everytime Incin comes in, you miss every move and they get every single secondary effect

What are you supposed to do

[left bobcat]

i missed play rough twice luckily i won

[buoyant marlin]

Hi ! I'm getting back into Pokemon SV after a year or two and wish to start some competitive play. Whats an archetype team that is usually easier to play so i can learn the basics with a rental team?

[foggy lodge]

I've had that mindset for a while and it helps to just eliminate some mental charge that one can have by losing

[stone trellis]

The best RNG I've ever seen was the time where there were three critical hits in the same turn.

[foggy lodge]

Its a game with room to improve but where some stuff are just out of your hand

[left bobcat]

sometimes i get crits that are completely unnecessary

but when it matters most nooooooooooo

[stone trellis]

Yeah, a single crit during that one match where a guy kept pivoting Incin in and out since I didn't run Amulet would have won me the game at that point.

[short quiver]

me neither

play rough is a cruel move

[left bobcat]

thats rough buddy

[stone trellis]

Play Rough is weaker, less accurate and has a lower secondary effect chance than Moonblast.

[left bobcat]

so far im experimenting with single ursh

[stone trellis]

How is that in any way fair?

[short quiver]

my point proven

[foggy lodge]

It isn't 👍

Game freak just hates physical attackers

[short quiver]

game freak just loves there special attackers

we have burn for physical attackers BUT NOTHING FOR SPECIAL

[stone trellis]

And yet, the only Pokemon to have won Worlds for every year where it was legal is a physical attacker.

[short quiver]

yep

ironic isnt it

[stone trellis]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is my thesis on why Iron Hands is GOATed with the sauce.

[left bobcat]

didnt iron hands fall off

[stone trellis]

Yeah, after he won Worlds twice in a row.

[next stump]

hello 🙂 I’m out on a walk right now but when I am back home I’ll send a longer message helping you

[buoyant marlin]

You can DM me if its easier when you get back 🙂

[solid frigate]

not really

Brian Hands is still good i think

[short quiver]

i saw an iron hands yesterday

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/c1300dec8ad9d140 thoughts on this?

[dense latch]

you can check the pinned messages for some resources to get you started

[hasty night]

Don't we get rule set for after reg I announced later today

[stone trellis]

Why Dragon Claw instead of Flame Charge?

[dull ibex]

idk ill change thats

[stone trellis]

Flame Charge is so funny to me because on any other Pokemon, it'd just be there as a set up tool.

[dull ibex]

im also going to go torn over whim

spread damage is so good with CSR

[stone trellis]

On Tera Fire Koraidon, it's the last thing you see before meeting Arceus.

[stone trellis]

Replace Korai with Zamazenta while you're at it

[dull ibex]

I want to try offensive brute bonnet over amoongus

no.

the goal is hyper offense

[stone trellis]

Brute Bonnet is always offensive, to be honest.

[dull ibex]

252 hp and attack offensive

[stone trellis]

Nah, let me cook.

[dull ibex]

unless zama csr can be paired on ho

then maybe

[stone trellis]

I think Brute Bonnet needs some bulk.

I won't deny that it can do wonders when it's offensively oriented, but that motherfucker can take hits.

Take advantage of that.

[dull ibex]

maybe

I want to try my set first

any ideas for a sixth?

[stone trellis]

I don't really know anything about HO teams, to be honest.

There's a voice in my head telling me that you could fit Jay Scova on this team.

[dull ibex]

who?

[stone trellis]

Scovillain.

[dull ibex]

ew

[stone trellis]

(It's a reference to how Jay-Z would call himself Jay-Hova)

[dull ibex]

maybe walking wake for the sun mirror

[forest arrow]

Looks good

[stone trellis]

You wanted sun HO, not me.

[dull ibex]

need a sixth

[stone trellis]

Wake would do wonders.

[dull ibex]

mine isnt going to be bulky

[stone trellis]

Maybe with something like AV?

Or Booster to ensure you always get the Speed boost.

[forest arrow]

Wellspring has been popping up with Korai/CSR for late games when Sun runs out, fire types that wanna wall korai, ground types that want explode korai, etc

[dull ibex]

i was also thinking lando-i?

to ohko mirai

[forest arrow]

Could work, especially since you’re HO

[jade dust]

What are the evs for caly ice? Not the leech seed, the offensive trick room

[dull ibex]

might swap out specs for spooky plate

or life orb

[stone trellis]

Something like 252 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 132 SpD / 4 Spe with an Adamant Nature to hit the stat bump.

[forest arrow]

Can’t go wrong with life orb

Tera dark nasty plot

[jade dust]

Speed?

[dull ibex]

what about an item for tera ghost astral spam?

[stone trellis]

Or you could go 92 Atk / 156 SpD to ensure that Specs Mirai only ever KOs you on the highest roll possible if it's Modest.

[jade dust]

Why not 0 speed?

[forest arrow]

Don’t even need the rapid strike bulk on CSR since you have sun

[stone trellis]

You're running hard TR?

[forest arrow]

Focus sash

[dull ibex]

okie dokie

[jade dust]

Well I have a trick room mode in my team, iron bundle is my speed control if I want to play fast

With Ogerpon and Miraidon

[stone trellis]

If you aren't running hard TR, why go 0 Speed?

[jade dust]

To counter other hard trick rooms

[stone trellis]

It's not a counter, it's a speed tie.

[forest arrow]

You outspeed other trick rooms teams out of trick room

[jade dust]

I want to be able to keep up with 0 speed ursalunas

To at least speed tie

[stone trellis]

That's simple.

Run Iron Hands.

[jade dust]

I do that already

[forest arrow]

That’s a speed tie.

[stone trellis]

They speed tie and have an equal chance of OHKOing each other.

[jade dust]

But sometimes isn’t enough

[stone trellis]

Also, what's the team looking like right now?

You have CIR, Mirai, Bundle, Hands and what else?

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/1e096760ecbfbe31

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/3bef459907055612

[stone trellis]

Love how you ask me for an EV spread, then go and use your own anyway.

[jade dust]

I haven’t adjusted

[next stump]

Super happy to hear that you want to get into competitive. Assuming that you’re talking about VGC (double battles), you should know that there is likely going to be a rule change announcement tonight that could dramatically shift up the meta. We don’t know what that will be for another 3-4 hours, so it’s impossible to say what changes.

Even though the announcement comes out today, we will still have another month where the in game format is Regulation I which allows for using two restricted legendary pokemon. These are typically box art legendaries or DLC pokemon like Calyrex.

If you hear about the new format in a few hours and think that sounds more fun than Regulation I, I would personally recommend skipping Reg I. But if the format announcement either doesn’t happen or is something you don’t like, then I’m happy to give out more Reg I specific advice.

Typically though, the best pokemon to use as a newcomer is probably something like Calyrex-Shadow, Miraidon, or Zamazenta. These are pretty straightforward pokemon with clear win conditions and can pretty easily dominate battles. You could also throw Calyrex-Ice in there as well, but that pokemon usually requires a little more positioning prowess since it’s quite slow and likes to operate under trick room or with partners that can support it well

[stone trellis]

Why is Whimsicott running bulk if it's Sashed? Am I going insane?

[jade dust]

These are the evs I was using before

Haven’t adjusted yet

[stone trellis]

You said that already.

[next stump]

Oh and last thing, if you hear about the new format AND want to play it, you can (probably as soon as 6ish hours from now) on Pokemon Showdown, a website that allows you to simulate pokemon battles in a web browser. If you haven’t heard of that website and need help/want to know more, pretty much anyone in here can help you out. The new ruleset will not be live IN GAME until August 30th

[jade dust]

Will this allow to live an electro drill?

[stone trellis]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 132 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 165-195 (79.7 - 94.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 132 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 180-213 (86.9 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

[jade dust]

So only if modest and high roll

Gets OHKO

[stone trellis]

Yes.

[jade dust]

Alright good enough for me

[stone trellis]

You survive 13 out of the 16 possible rolls.

[jade dust]

Thanks for the help

[stone trellis]

You're welcome.

I'd be glad to run this team in the future as well.

[jade dust]

It’s a fun team for sure

[stone trellis]

Also, why is Ogerpon 156+?

[jade dust]

My Ogerpon spread hopefully allows me to live astral barrage consistently

[forest arrow]

Go covert cloak whims

[short quiver]

chat could a kyogre basculegion rain team work rn. i wanna know if big fish+big fish will work

[forest arrow]

I also say bonnet should be more bulky but you did say you wanna try yours first, if you need a bonnet spread lemme know