competitive_discussion

[stone trellis]

Incin could use the Safety Goggles if Amoonguss is a concern.

[short quiver]

im more worried about other fake out users

[solid frigate]

you don't have to worry honestly

especially Pagos teams

Since they 90% Fake out on Pagos to break Tera shell

[short quiver]

covert cloak terapagos with sinistcha

lemme cook

and other allies who can keep switching out the second slot

that wont work cuz i have 2 restricted mons to deal with and i still dont even have one locked in yet

who do i even use in the other slot to synergize with what i have rn

i have sword shield and scarlet violet so i have access to a lot of legendaries

[solid frigate]

thats like one of the more viable Pagos partners in reg G lol

[next stump]

as a bit of a newcomer I’d say try something like calyrex shadow to start, maybe koraidon

[solid frigate]

Miraidon,Koraidon and Calyrex Shadow the best for Pagos rn

especially CSR is easier to use

[short quiver]

would having both my restricteds using spread moves even be a good idea? with shadow calyrez

i just get walled by wide guard

[solid frigate]

Psychic still chunks

[next stump]

yes that’s okay, just be aware and careful of wide guard

usually those teams run something like urshifu to really punish the normal wide guard users

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/thedoorstop_/status/1950195951915749698?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

FEAR l Doorstop (@TheDoorstop_)

TRIVIA TIME

What is the 100% winning play in this position? They say it’s a protect call but they say REAL zam pao masterminds know the answer.

- Chi Yu is choice scarf locked into flamethrower
- Chien Pao has crunch not sacred sword
- No tera available either side

X · Jul 29, 2025, 2:05 PM

[short quiver]

looking through my saves for a legendary that catches my attention

thank god for pokemon home

[solid frigate]

Calyrex-Shadow @ Spell Tag
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 28 HP / 4 Def / 220 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Astral Barrage
• Psychic
• Encore
• Protect

If you want to use CSR+Pagos you can use this set for Shadow Rider

Allow to live Tera Water Surging Strikes

tho idk about the tera type its kinda come down to preference

Ghost for Extra Damage,Dark for CSR Mirror

[short quiver]

is there a slightly more niche terapagos duo

i like being special

[stone trellis]

I don't know, Groudon-Pagos?

[next stump]

yeah maybe calyrex ice or groudon

[stone trellis]

@shadow wind Here's your chance to yap.

[stone trellis]

Who the hell uses Icy and Pagos?

[short quiver]

glastrier is slow but terapagos is too fast for trick room

[stone trellis]

Nah.

[solid frigate]

Pagos is fine using TR

[short quiver]

and irc or just glastrier would be clunky outside of it

[stone trellis]

Indeedee is base 85 and it's a common TR setter.

[solid frigate]

trust me i used Pagos a lot during Reg G and sometimes in Reg I

[stone trellis]

No, Ice Rider can do just fine outside of Trick Room.

[short quiver]

i use max speed terapagos that would be a very interesting change

[molten oasis]

[stone trellis]

Terapagos has good bulk, you could capitalize on that fact.

[short quiver]

and tera shell is a cracked ability

multiscale but better

[chrome knot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/Gwv6k0AWoAAmdJt.gif

[stone trellis]

Yeah, with Lefties and some other form of recovery, you can make Pagos pretty hard to kill.

[solid frigate]

max speed turtle can only work on specs sets

[short quiver]

so slow rappa with ice rider could work?

it would give me an excuse to use my shiny hatterene

[stone trellis]

Hard TR in July 2025 is crazy 🥀

[solid frigate]

Kephale (Terapagos-Terastal) @ Leftovers
Ability: Tera Shell
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 196 HP / 52 Def / 156 SpA / 28 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Calm Mind
• Earth Power
• Protect

hit 115 speed but if you run Slow CM Pagos you can throw everything on HP Defense and SpA

cuz you want your pokemon to hit 3 or 5 stat invest

[short quiver]

would i still use leftover?

[solid frigate]

yea

[short quiver]

hold please while i find my calyrex

if i can i have TOO many saves

if not i can see if people in gts on home will hook me up

[molten oasis]

is there really a 100% way to win that?

[stone trellis]

Do you want Icy to be more defensive or offensive?

[molten oasis]

chi yu always kills zama and pao only wins off a 3hko

[short quiver]

i like deleting stuff

[stone trellis]

If you're leaning more on defensive stuff, go with Leech Seed.

If it's more offensive, use High Horsepower.

High Horsepower + Tera Fire or Grass should work pretty well.

[short quiver]

the ultimate nightmare. farming tera shards

[stone trellis]

Shut up about weather, this is on a Pagos team.

[bold geode]

?

[short quiver]

whos talking about weather

[bold geode]

What am I coming back to

[stone trellis]

I was covering myself in case anyone said something.

[next stump]

the inflation of regional prices continue

RIP

[solid frigate]

Koraidon Pagos:

[short quiver]

i wanna run terapagos with ice rider so we’re discussing solutions

[bold geode]

Inflation is real even in Pokemon smh

[stone trellis]

Anyway, since you want to go offensive, here's a set I like to use.

[short quiver]

this team will mean i can use my shiny hatterene right

[foggy lodge]

Damn dude

[bold geode]

You're thinking of Hard TR and Pagos
Idt that is gonna really work

[foggy lodge]

That's so shitty there's no way those prices are okay

[bold geode]

I think it's like
10 bucks more

[foggy lodge]

How much did regional entries cost back in the day

I only know of the SV era

[bold geode]

I mean before idk but in SV they were like what 70?

[foggy lodge]

60-70 I think

[solid frigate]

60 i think

I used 60 GBP for Bham entry fee

[bold geode]

Think it was 70 USD

[stone trellis]

Calyrex-Ice @ Clear Amulet
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Tera Type: Fire/Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Atk / 4 Def / 156 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Glacial Lance
• High Horsepower
• Trick Room
• Protect

252 HP / 156 SpD allows it to live Astral Barrage from 100 SpA Timid Life Orb CSR and Electro Drift from Specs Modest Mirai (93.8% of the time on the latter).

[solid frigate]

isn't that NAIC or EUIC entry fee or am i tripping

[bold geode]

@next stump how much was registration

[stone trellis]

116 Atk could also work, but you're more susceptible to a KO from Miraidon that way.

[next stump]

they were free for a while, then up to $20 USD, then like $40 in SWSH

[stone trellis]

@short quiver Do you mind if we discuss the rest of your teambuilding process in DMs?

[next stump]

started at $60 in SV, up to $70 last year, now $80

[short quiver]

so it doesnt get flooded here thats fine by me

[solid frigate]

i just run 156+ honestly

[stone trellis]

That's too frail.

[solid frigate]

wait they are free in XY era?

[stone trellis]

116+ hits the EV bump anyway.

[solid frigate]

i'm running screens anyway

[stone trellis]

Fair point.

[next stump]

idk if it was XY but it was realy early days

[solid frigate]

so DP and BW times?

i mean tbf they weren't mainstream during that times cuz they are relatively small

[bold geode]

Finally got done with the second section, 1500 words in the writing, on to the next soon

[next stump]

I wonder how much money pokemon makes off a regional, if any

[chrome knot]

i don’t think ill be attending regionals

$110 Entry adds a fuck ton to my plate lmfao

[solid frigate]

i mean i just spend money for one regional or one EUIC

cuz i am not travelling outside UK

[mystic nexus]

Should you always bring both restricted Pokémon into your games?

Since I’ve been using koraidon lunala and I’ve been avoiding trying to use both since if Lunala sets trick room up it’s counterproductive to what Koraidon is suppose to do

Do I just have a bad pairing?

[solid frigate]

depends on match up

but Korai Lunala i usually bring Koraidon in the back for late game sweeping

[mystic nexus]

Can u possibly give me some tips on how to play Koraidon Lunala if ur okay with that?

I just don’t know what I’m doing wrong

[solid frigate]

first,what is your team

[mystic nexus]

Here you go! https://pokepast.es/6a20135d02ce7579

[solid frigate]

no Indeedee is interesting

Usually Lead Incin Lunala isn't bad for setting TR
Or if you want to beat them with speed you can lead Flutter Korai

but its really depends on how do you want to lead against your opponent

[mystic nexus]

On indeedee for psyspam? Honestly might be better at this rate over ursa since I haven’t used him much

[solid frigate]

no just for Anti Prio and support

[mystic nexus]

Support? So like a brute bonnet replacement?

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/960854ce2d8a280a

I run a similar team but just with Indeedee+Volcarona

[solid frigate]

mostly replace incin

but if you are more comfortable with Incin then go with incin

cuz i don't see too much flaws that would make it horrible to pilot

[mystic nexus]

Is it really okay to replace incin??? Isn’t incin like the best Pokémon ever?

[solid frigate]

yeah but in some cases Incin doesn't click with the team

sure its strong and can fit almost all teams

but for some teams incin would not perform as good than some pokemon

it depends on team comp really

as for Korai Lunala,Incin is optional but i can totally see it work within the comp

[mystic nexus]

Huh I see, also how come ur running speed on ur Lunala isn’t it anti synergetic with trick room?

[solid frigate]

its more towards against faster pokemon like Miraidon or Shadow Rider

as they are faster

and Lunala still benefit from outspeeding the fastest Rillaboom that does not sacrifice Bulk

[mystic nexus]

I didn’t think of that interesting, do u think replacing volcarona with brute bonnet on ur team could work? Since I like ur team tbh but I also really like spore and Calyrex S/Kyogre damage options

[solid frigate]

usually not recommended cuz Brute Bonnet kinda just replace amogus for Koraidon teams

+the only reason i run volca cuz i don't click on brute bonnet

[dense latch]

there’s no need for min speed on lunala, it’s good for it to work in and out of trick room

[solid frigate]

did i see double erik

[mystic nexus]

I was of the idea minimum speed was a necessity on trick room teams

[solid frigate]

not really

my Calyrex ice rider is not minimum speed

[dense latch]

if you feel more comfortable with brute bonnet then sure

give it cloak and you’re good

[mystic nexus]

Well now idk cause Aegis said it’s not recommended 😭

[solid frigate]

i mean volca is not recommended

Brute Bonnet i 100% recommend it

its more like i don't click with Bonnet so i just run Volca

[mystic nexus]

OOOOOH OK sorry haha

[solid frigate]

its fine

[mystic nexus]

Hmmm well if that’s the case can I have ur permission to adjust ur team to include my own moves and replace volc for brute, Aegis? Knowing incineroar isn’t a requirement I’m warming up to indeedee as a replacement

Plus psychic terrain can help brute set up spore by denying electric terrain

[shadow wind]

I have the replay of this game

[shadow wind]

Huh?

[stone trellis]

I said that Groudon Pagos was a good duo.

[shadow wind]

I’ve used it

[foggy lodge]

There's no

If you just go body press + sucker Chi-Yu can KO one of them

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2411182195-n3o40n78mthlqogojwp0nc954a7694tpw

[foggy lodge]

If Zama dies you lose basically

[shadow wind]

That’s the full game

Don’t ask where I got that from

[mystic nexus]

Oh also what’s the function of Tera dark on indeedee? Wouldn’t ghost be better to ignore fake out?

[next stump]

indeedee gets psychic terrain which blocks fake out

[mystic nexus]

My bad I forgot about that 😑

[solid frigate]

dark also block prankster but its just for out of terrain

[next stump]

all good 🙂

[mystic nexus]

I see also in regards to my pervious question is it ok? Sorry for asking a lot of questions

[solid frigate]

its all depends on do you think its comfortable for you to pilot

[mystic nexus]

Alright well as long as ur okay with me copying elements of ur team imma do it

[solid frigate]

i mean why not,im not massively maining the team

Its just clicks

[mystic nexus]

Thank you for all the help TorrentAegis I really appreciate it

[solid frigate]

np

[forest arrow]

Looks fun

I’d prob try QD Volc

[real prairie]

That sir would be the 3rd @ in the order

Only if it's Assault vest

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2411648890

@forest arrow fuck your encore moment

[forest arrow]

lol

[shadow wind]

What order?

[short quiver]

anyone got a spread for eviolite clefairy

[next stump]

check out munchstats the website

that has the most common spreads for every pokemon

[wooden steeple]

after losing more than half my games to disconnecting and losing twice to tera fire decorate eruption groudon because I tera grassed in front of the smeargle I'm not finally in masterball

[next stump]

congrats

[short quiver]

w

i went with 244hp 180 def and 84 spD with a Relaxed nature

and tera ground

[wooden steeple]

tbh any defensive spread (for example yours) should work, you can then change it as you go when you notice you might more def or spdef for certain matchups

[next stump]

tera ground is great for miraidon

you can usually double protect turn 1 and if they lock into volt switch or drift they’re fucked

[short quiver]

only 3 of my teammates have protect

[wooden steeple]

usually you'll want more, but 3 is still fine sometimes

whats the team?

[short quiver]

well my team is kinda weird

Ogerpon fire Terapagos Clefairy Ice rider calyrex urshifu water and whimsicott

[next stump]

ice rider/clefairy lead, double protect turn 1

if they lead miraidon they’re cooked

[short quiver]

clefairy doesnt have protect

[next stump]

what do you have instead?

[short quiver]

after you follow me alluring voice and life dew

after you for ogerpon when i have trick room up

[wooden steeple]

you can drop after you or life dew for protect

[next stump]

I would personally drop alluring voice for protect and life dew for helping hand but test the team and see how you feel

[short quiver]

ill so some testing and see

[wooden steeple]

actually probably drop life dew before after you

[short quiver]

i got spored by a breloom

thats annoying

here we go

we got a miraidon chat

[mystic nexus]

@solid frigate I can’t thank you enough man, I’ve done a couple battles so far and this team just feels so much better

[gentle crag]

erikh745 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[mystic nexus]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2411668775

[solid frigate]

as a Miraidon Kyogre main

Seeing your opponents team made me wanna throw up

[mystic nexus]

Oh Jesus was it that bad?

[solid frigate]

Chi Yu Shouldn’t be here and torn is a better TW setter for both Miraidon and Kyogre since both hate Rillaboom

[mystic nexus]

I was wondering why they had Chi-Yu

But man Indeedee is so much better then Incineroar I’m glad I swapped them out

[solid frigate]

Special Defense Drop and Sun MU

But you already have Fari rhat most likely has Helping hand so i dont get why they use it

[short quiver]

dawg im fighting the same guy

[mystic nexus]

LMAO

[short quiver]

mneuaer

[mystic nexus]

Well now you know what moves his Pokemon have ig 😅

[short quiver]

hiding like a little coward behind his urshifu water

[solid frigate]

sometimes i wonder what the fuck is wrong with pokemon players most of the time

[short quiver]

rip they tera watered and killed my ice rider

[mystic nexus]

I was actually more surprised he swapped out Kyogre into Urshifu in my match tbh cause seed bomb was coming either way so why not let Kyogre go down?

[short quiver]

DAMN YOU URSHIFU

[solid frigate]

wait how frail is your ice rider

It normally lives it even with Rain and Tera Water

[short quiver]

they swapped miraidon into kyogre

[stone trellis]

It was Tera Fire.

[short quiver]

it already took a beating from kyogre origin pulse

[stone trellis]

I told them to use Tera Grass, they didn't listen.

[solid frigate]

ok then thats fair

[solid frigate]

nah Fire is fine,imo

[short quiver]

um excuse me i did use tera grass

[stone trellis]

I thought you said you'd use Fire.

[short quiver]

i tried it and decided no

[mystic nexus]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2411676227 Bro it’s crazy how a couple of changes can make a team feel so much better

[solid frigate]

nah with Pagos as your second restricted its fine to run Tera Fire anyway

its based on your preference

[mystic nexus]

I was loosing most battles before and now unless I make dumb mistakes I can usually win my matches

[solid frigate]

ok the Turn 1 play from your Opponent does not make a FLYING FUCK SENSE

[mystic nexus]

I was questioning it too actually cause like why taunt flutter???

If anything I was expecting taunt on Lunala when I saw it but I was like eh at least Id take Miraidon down but nope taunt on flutter

[solid frigate]

i think he just played too much Closed team sheet and think your flutter has Trick Room

[short quiver]

i use taunt flutter

[mystic nexus]

No he taunted my flutter mane lol

[solid frigate]

its like the perfect set for Koraidon teams

[mystic nexus]

But I see, but like Lunala was kinda right there

[shadow wind]

I will never understand someone not bringing CSR

[solid frigate]

this play is a stretch but i think they predict your Lunala to attack and assume your flutter has TR

[foggy lodge]

I played elite smash after a year

Smash Ultimate is such a horrible game💔

[solid frigate]

its bad

[solid frigate]

its a good game in terms of nostalgia factor but online play is horrible

[foggy lodge]

Why can a character edit the stage and platforms in a platform fighter game

[mystic nexus]

I suppose

[solid frigate]

oh you mean Stage builder-

[foggy lodge]

No

Steve

[shadow wind]

Stevenson

[mystic nexus]

But I can’t critique too much cause I just moongiest beamed a indeedee rn 🥲

[shadow wind]

At least they're all braindead and spam minecart even though it's his most exploitable move

[solid frigate]

ah

The funny guy

[foggy lodge]

And its the unpunishable move💔

[shadow wind]

Until you go against one who builds the walls 😔

[mystic nexus]

I straight up forfeited at embarrassment afterwards

[foggy lodge]

Why can't we just shield the minecart

[solid frigate]

just remember not to next time-

[solid frigate]

cuz DLC moment

[shadow wind]

Command grab projectile 😔

[mystic nexus]

I’ll try 😅

[stone trellis]

It's like a Gholdengo clicking Shadow Ball into Pagos.

[solid frigate]

remember when Yoshi was fun

[shadow wind]

Man that took a while but I'm finally back at 1600 on Bo3

Just barely !

[stone trellis]

I've almost fallen below 1500.

I need to lock in tomorrow.

[shadow wind]

I'm actually really happy with my GXE

[solid frigate]

i kinda just give up on Reg I for mow and do randbats

Both are in 1600+ 70+ GXE

[shadow wind]

Usually it's like mid 60s

Actually Bo3 is a lot harder to cheese winstreaks

So the GXE makes sense

I still think my smeargle lines could be better but it's just a stupid dog

[solid frigate]

something about this line makes me wonder

What did a stranger did to Miraidon

[shadow wind]

😭

[mystic nexus]

Where is this from lmao???

[solid frigate]

mario party but translated 100 times i think

[shadow wind]

Oh I love those videos

[solid frigate]

sometimes they just become silly

[mystic nexus]

I need to see that video then cause that’s hilarious

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/ac5c4df9ea190589 - Is there anyway to make my Rilla Smeargle MU better?

[foggy lodge]

Anyways I'm watching Wolfey's video again and

[mystic nexus]

Also I think imma start building my team in game now, since so far all my loses now have been because of dumb mistakes on my end and not feeling like the team itself isn’t working

[foggy lodge]

The moody nerf in theory should make it more maneagable

[shadow wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXjhY_VEVaA

[mystic nexus]

Hell yeah Ty

[shadow wind]

That was really easy to find

[gentle crag]

erikh745 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[foggy lodge]

But also think that removing evasion and accuracy changes mean that its more probable to get a speed boost

[shadow wind]

I feel like I'd rather it get a speed boost than an evasion boost

[solid frigate]

the only wolfe video i ever replay everytime is about him defending Orlando regional champ in reg F honestly-

[foggy lodge]

Yeah fs

But speed boost is also really unhealthy

[shadow wind]

Extremely

[solid frigate]

just make it garbage /j

[shadow wind]

I don't have a consistent line into Smeargle Rilla

It's so annoying

[foggy lodge]

Everytime you click fake out turn 1 you have a 20% chance to get a speed boost

[shadow wind]

And they always get it 😔

[foggy lodge]

You can do that every match and sooner or later you'll get it and win instantly the match

[shadow wind]

Literally

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2411677390-jx0viqf717raxuty87ehtva5agufq7cpw

Like this game was that

[foggy lodge]

Taunt was like the only real counterplay to Smeargle

[shadow wind]

Well not the speed boost

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBhOkSjrvb8

[foggy lodge]

And getting a evasion boost is horrible

[solid frigate]

and its not even like guaranteed

[shadow wind]

But like they just got a 3 turn sleep and it's over

[foggy lodge]

Why tf can taunt miss that move shouldn't miss

[solid frigate]

like the taunt counterplay is not even guaranteed

[foggy lodge]

Some status moves shouldn't miss like

There's actually no way they miss from a logical explanation

How do you avoid just the opponent tilting you

[solid frigate]

like what status move?

[shadow wind]

Taunt

[foggy lodge]

Taunt

Encore

[solid frigate]

so taunt,Encore

[foggy lodge]

Like how can a pokemon avoid it

Disable

[stone trellis]

I hate how some people act like Pachirisu is the only time where a Pokemon who seems weak won Worlds. Wolfe Glick won with Raichu, Ryota Otsubo won with Krookodile and there's probably even more examples I can't think of right now.

[solid frigate]

honestly the only reason why big 6 is still be the strongest pokemon team ever is

All 6 pokemon are strong
Smeargle has evasion boost

[mystic nexus]

In universe it could be a the Pokemon shrugged off the annoyance of the taunt aka u didn’t tilt them enough

[solid frigate]

Pikachu got third in same worlds wolfe won i think

And also

EEVEE WON A REGIONAL

IN SM

[stone trellis]

So did Clefairy, right?

[solid frigate]

ok clefairy yeah understandable

[stone trellis]

Also, has Shedinja ever won a Regional?

[foggy lodge]

It did

[solid frigate]

its a massive threat in restricted formats

[foggy lodge]

Proman I think?

I think Proman used it to win a regional

[stone trellis]

I know it's a threat.

[solid frigate]

i literally only think of a warehouse company lmao

[foggy lodge]

Oh it was Flavio

[solid frigate]

i think me and the bois all just rant about Pachirisu getting more attention and the fans got the wrong idea

during 2024 worlds livestream

[next stump]

kinda goated pokemon

[foggy lodge]

That's a lot more than I expected lmao

[solid frigate]

yeah

the only reason it did not get into SV cuz tera would absolutely make is invincible unless from Sand,Hearthflame Ogerpon,Reshiram,Zekrom,Tinkaton

oh yeah and status but whatevs

[shadow wind]

Like how am I supposed to feel accomplished when the 2 GXEs next to me are both so high 😭

[dense latch]

shedinja sixth man of the year during restricted formats

[solid frigate]

maybe because they are not running Groudon

[dense latch]

lmao

[shadow wind]

Like man I feel like I cheated my way there

[solid frigate]

man buff the galar birds i beg you

i beg you Gamefreak

[dense latch]

i was around top 80 in bo1 at one point with like 72% gxe while everyone else was at damn near 80%

[foggy lodge]

They should make fiery wrath a 50% chance to flinch frfr

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah

Don't add more luck

[shadow wind]

It feels so wrong right?

[dense latch]

i feel like a crazy ladder warrior

[solid frigate]

i mean they can tone their stats

But otherwise idk

their abilities are fine imo

[foggy lodge]

The point is that those mons are fine lmao

We don't need to buff every legendary we need to have a balanced meta

[dense latch]

base articuno had a shit typing
game freak had a chance to save it with a regional form
gave it a shit typing again

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 144: Articuno-Galar

Types

Psychic/Flying

Abilities

Competitive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/85/125/100/95

Total

580

Base Species

Articuno

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

i don't think i can use it lmao

[dense latch]

the stat distribution is just kinda eh

[foggy lodge]

THAT MON IS THE EXAMPLE OF FINE

Maybe the typing sucks tho

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/e759b0c0423bdd0f

i just fucking made this for Reg F Natdex format lmao

[short quiver]

chat idk if its me but clefairy is NOT working

[dense latch]

what's your team

[short quiver]

https://pokepast.es/4dc9ace41e9dea19

[foggy lodge]

The team is the problem

[dense latch]

yea

also the clef moveset could probably be better

helping hand over alluring voice since that's just not doing anything anyways

and in the context of cir pagos i dont really see it

just an eh restricted duo to begin with

[short quiver]

🙁

[foggy lodge]

Idk how CIR Pagos is supposed to beat Zama

[short quiver]

ogerpon

and also terapagos has calm mind earth power

[foggy lodge]

You lose the damage trade there always

[dense latch]

arguably the two worst restricteds into zama lol

[short quiver]

sigh

[ocean pawn]

leech seed cir

[short quiver]

can i trade IRC for Koraidon

[foggy lodge]

leech seed would be a lot better for Zama

But then I think the team just becomes too passive

[dense latch]

are you set on keeping those two as your restricteds?

[short quiver]

terapagos stays

irc is flexible

[dense latch]

im guessing you have violet then

[foggy lodge]

NAIC was won in seniors by Koraidon pagos

[ocean pawn]

i would agure the terapagos should go

[short quiver]

i have both games

[dense latch]

mirai pagos is a decent duo if you do have mirai

[foggy lodge]

Tho the usual pagos partners are CSR and Miraidon

[short quiver]

could i do like a terapagos sun team

[dense latch]

pagos korai is a thing but there's much better pagos partners

[short quiver]

if only ninetales was viable

[ocean pawn]

it's so funny that the 2 best mons for terapagos is miari and csr if anything that tells you how bad teraapgos is

[ocean pawn]

you have groudon and koraidon

[short quiver]

i will not tolerate turtle slander 🙁

[short quiver]

yeah but like ninetales is one of my all time favorite pokemon

[dense latch]

it's not slander if it's true

[foggy lodge]

https://youtu.be/MJ_2GMbv0K0?si=gClV7C723JNKDtaq

[dense latch]

it's a fine restricted tho in all honestly

[ocean pawn]

def not the best

[short quiver]

i dont care i love my turtle

why would i bother playing if i wasnt enjoying myself

[solid frigate]

funny thing is that

It was First Pagos win on NA and EU scene which is also tragic

cuz that might as well be the last

[solid frigate]

its still top 10

[solid frigate]

as a Pagos player from the past

you just kinda need a lot of support to make it work

[foggy lodge]

Top 10 in a format with only 11 viable restricteds

[solid frigate]

the fact we almost got Pagos Meta in NA scene if not Rajan's Miraidon killed Pagos

[solid frigate]

yeah if you count Ho-Oh

otherwise its like a interchangable 7th-9th

[short quiver]

can i use koraidon white kyurem

😄

[solid frigate]

pls no

[short quiver]

but whyyyyyyyy

[solid frigate]

you are play sun and snow at the same time-

[ocean pawn]

if anything do miraidon and kyurem

[solid frigate]

still don't-

[short quiver]

how about koraidon and just reshiram

[ocean pawn]

and even then don't

[ocean pawn]

what about zekrom and reshiram

[solid frigate]

better but don't

[dense latch]

stay away from gen 5 and gen 4 restricteds

pretend those don't exist

[short quiver]

🙁

[ocean pawn]

and gen 1

[solid frigate]

well,unless you are Dialga but still no

[short quiver]

i mean fusion flare and fusion bolt do work well together

i wanna do something silly and slightly unconventional

[ocean pawn]

hear me out terapagos and rayqazaza

[short quiver]

i do have a rayquaza but why would i do that

terrain denial?

[solid frigate]

the only reason why Dialga wins over Kwhite cuz its less selfish and its still allow TR set up if you somehow don't wanna run Lunala

[short quiver]

but like

reshiram

[solid frigate]

basically just

Fuck your Weather,fuck your terrain,fuck your privilege to use them

[ocean pawn]

is this teired with each tierlist?

[solid frigate]

tiered in order

I edited the S A B etc into ranking

[short quiver]

i actually like that

[solid frigate]

honestly you need life orb to even do half of what Miraidon can do

[short quiver]

a sacrifice im willing to make

[solid frigate]

i am not willing to make that sacrifice over that

Miraidon has Lorb Built in lmao

and can run more sets than Reshiram

[short quiver]

but using miraidon is so basic though

and thats so lame 🙁

[solid frigate]

its not even basic lmao

Miraidon is nowhere near easy and basic

[short quiver]

im just gonna pull a Wolfey VGC and do a mono normal team

[dense latch]

there's still room to make a miraidon team unique

[solid frigate]

i literally made a Miraidon guide about how to play that bike

just like how MDB rant about people are spamming Volt switch

[short quiver]

only way im using miraidon is if i get the sillies and make a mono dragon team

[foggy lodge]

I remember when I gaslit myself into thinking that Dialga was viable in early meta

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-erm-what-pokemon-gif-6625837847602803592

[short quiver]

yep thats what i said

[solid frigate]

que the whole MDB Rant about Miraidon players during portland stream

[next stump]

I really miss being able to use Dialga and not feel like I am trolling

[foggy lodge]

The worst part is that Dialga is not a bad Pokémon is just that every restricted is better

[forest arrow]

Power crept

[foggy lodge]

Opportunity cost of using a better restricted

[dense latch]

his stream vods are the best background noise itw bar none

[short quiver]

is this the list of all the restricted mons

[forest arrow]

Unfortunate

[solid frigate]

kinda like the whole part of Gen 4 restricted

They aren't bad at all

[foggy lodge]

Giratina is

[solid frigate]

yes

[short quiver]

cool

thats a lot of dragons

[solid frigate]

the fact that this guy is usable in its debut gen lmao

[foggy lodge]

If it wasn't for Ho-Oh's early reg I decent success gen 2 would also have unusable restricteds

Tho tbh maybe Ho-Oh revives a bit

[forest arrow]

If you ask me I’d say they are unusable

[foggy lodge]

Kasty's team looks fine

[forest arrow]

I wouldn’t ride Hooh into Worlds that’s fs

[solid frigate]

protect,Protect. Protect!!!

PROTECT,PROTECT!!!!!

[foggy lodge]

I could see someone using Mirai Ho-Oh again rn

[short quiver]

chat if i do genuinely do a mono dragon could miraidon origin dialga hydrapple latias work 🙂

[dense latch]

no

[solid frigate]

as a Miraidon player

Mono dragon usually just bring down miraidon

and nothing else

[short quiver]

again if im not having fun whats the point

[dense latch]

best bet if you really really really want to use mono dragon is start with korai mirai raging bolt

just know you're putting yourself at a big disadvantage

[short quiver]

hydrapple 🙂

[solid frigate]

you can have fun without always use niche stuff and pretend it can do well than other stuff

[short quiver]

im not saying it will do better than anything else

when did i say anything like that

[dense latch]

the thing with this insanely gimmicky and off meta teams is you're not gonna be winning much if at all and I can't imagine losing constantly as being fun in any way

[short quiver]

neither is succumbing to defining meta

[dense latch]

the reason players like wolfey can use these gimmick teams and make them work is because he's quite literally the best player of all time

[short quiver]

"you must use these exact 3-4 pokemon" womp womp

[solid frigate]

its more like if you don't know what niche the pokemon work

Don't use it and stick to meta

Don't make your mind go insane

[dense latch]

you don't really have to do this

[short quiver]

i want to have fun so what if i dont always win

[dense latch]

if you look at any big results the top teams are vastly different

[next stump]

it's works at helping your opponent win

[solid frigate]

Erik,Que the rant MDB had with Miraidon players

[short quiver]

cool

[dense latch]

im watching the portland vod rn lol olivia vs len is hilarious

[solid frigate]

yeah thats like the whole inspiration of me making a Miraidon guide blog

[dense latch]

https://youtu.be/NzFBcFBGM9U?si=X2iddEJufIFAEMTO&t=7868

[solid frigate]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxX1YcZFVtPiVP8AawrIh2qn8JLoyaGFbH?si=_gEOMVBSCw_ywqKR

[short quiver]

time to go make a sun team

giraffe raikou i suppose would at least let me kill stuff

[solid frigate]

also yes Erik,i literally called out Olivia and Len's Performance with Miraidon Blog cuz i play 3/4 restricteds and i was dissapointed

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxd10nxrHjTa550ysQK4CNyQ0MOH9KZgJb?si=Y5bAZJYaORoNEd6a

[dense latch]

mdb was so happy at first seeing turbo incin then it's just downhill from there 😭

[foggy lodge]

Morris you don't need to be a Miraidon player to know that lmfao

[solid frigate]

i played 3/4 restricted there's no way i don't become so fucking depressed about it (Before i picked up shadow rider)

[short quiver]

genuinely what res mons are good in sun :'/

[solid frigate]

Lunala

[foggy lodge]

CSR

[short quiver]

i have raikou giraffe and koraidon

[foggy lodge]

an europe invitational last week was won by Koraidon CIR

[solid frigate]

wait now i am curious

[dense latch]

csr lunala and cir are all decent options

[short quiver]

lunala mentioned

[foggy lodge]

I sent it to the other server

[short quiver]

what makes her good in sun im confuzzled

[solid frigate]

do i have to THROW MY KORAIDON LUNALA TEAM IN HERE-

AGAIN

[foggy lodge]

no

[solid frigate]

which server

[short quiver]

what

[solid frigate]

i did that like few hours ago

[dense latch]

it doesnt benefit from the sun but is rather a good partner for koraidon

[short quiver]

in what channel i can look for it myself

[short quiver]

i see 🧑‍🦯

[solid frigate]

in just this channel-

[short quiver]

found it

[short quiver]

if i switch clefairy for grimmsnarl and ice rider for shadow rider what moves would i give them

for grimmsnarl i have rn light screen reflect fake out drain punch

[shadow wind]

Why half of those?

[short quiver]

i changed it to reflect light screen spirit break thunder wave

[shadow wind]

That's better yeah

What's the CSR set though?

[short quiver]

life orv astral barrage protect psychic nasty plot

[shadow wind]

I would say you'd be better of with sash CSR

A lot of CSR when paired with Terapagos run encore/disable/will o wisp

[short quiver]

😨

[short quiver]

instead of

[shadow wind]

And I don't see Whimsicott being extremely useful

Nasty plot

[short quiver]

can i trade whimsicott for indeedee and then trade psychic for expanding force?

no cuz id have no use for a trick room setter

hm

[shadow wind]

I just found this

[short quiver]

😨

how about chi yu 🙂

fire fish

[shadow wind]

There's this one

Went 9-2

[short quiver]

but…. my ogerpon…..

[shadow wind]

Man I'm just giving you ideas you don't have to use any of these teams

I also didn't make any of these teams so I have no control over what mons are on it other than finding a Terapagos

[short quiver]

my boi

terapagos is epic turtle

[shadow wind]

What does that have to do with anything 😭

[solid frigate]

i'll just ignore the convo

[short quiver]

everything

[shadow wind]

I never said it wasn't?

[short quiver]

im just saying hes epic turtle

[shadow wind]

Ok?

[short quiver]

🙂

[shadow wind]

I just don't see how that matters

You showed a team and I made suggestions and gave ideas

[short quiver]

yeah and i took the chi yu

[shadow wind]

👍

[short quiver]

👍🏻

[shadow wind]

Good chattin

4 minutes of searching for this 🥀

[foggy lodge]

VGC is so dead rn lol

[shadow wind]

Nah this ain't VGC

OMs 🥀

[chrome knot]

@bold geode went to snoopy land and they were havig some blockparty and the peanuts characters were dance dancin to a nightcore version of feel this moment and it unironically went so hard LMAO

they ate so hard it was insane i wish i got a pic with snoopy

snoopy land being a smol part within beeg amusement park in toronto

[bold geode]

LMAO that shit sounds hard AF

[left bobcat]

I’m here

[shadow wind]

Hi here I'm Conner

[left bobcat]

Hmmm lettuce see what I’m trying today

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2411769850-tvunm21rc6ogecan4pmi4683yn4niq5pw

[shadow wind]

This OM is top 5 OMs of all time

[sharp escarp]

G-guys I really want to use richu but I don’t know how):

[shadow wind]

Raichu can work as a semi good Miraidon check

[sharp escarp]

No

[next stump]

next to choice scarf kyogre it's pretty strong

[shadow wind]

Oh ok my bad

[sharp escarp]

I mean alolan richu😭😭😭

[next stump]

oh yeah you're cooked

[shadow wind]

I gotta agree

[sharp escarp]

It’s cuz of its speed stat

172 but in electric terrain it’s 344

Still

[shadow wind]

And what exactly is it doing with that speed?

[dense latch]

so it's now doing nothing but faster

[shadow wind]

Scarf Groudon moment

"We can miss faster!"

[ocean pawn]

Normal raichu is obviously better

[sharp escarp]

Ahh man

Craziest part

I was thinking of lowering its speed

[tiny karma]

Raichu-Alola's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Brick Break, Counter, Covet, Dig, Double Kick, Double Slap, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Endeavor, Extreme Speed, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Flail, Fling, Fly, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, Heart Stamp, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Last Resort, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Nuzzle, Pay Day, Play Rough, Present, Quick Attack, Rage, Return, Reversal, Rock Smash, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Slam, Spark, Strength, Submission, Take Down, Thief, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Upper Hand, Volt Tackle, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Alluring Voice, Charge Beam, Disarming Voice, Discharge, Draining Kiss, Echoed Voice, Electro Ball, Electroweb, Expanding Force, Focus Blast, Future Sight, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Psychic Noise, Psyshock, Rising Voltage, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Stored Power, Surf, Swift, Tera Blast, Thunder, Thunder Shock, Thunderbolt, Uproar, Volt Switch, Zap Cannon

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Attract, Bestow, Calm Mind, Captivate, Celebrate, Charge, Charm, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Detect, Double Team, Eerie Impulse, Electric Terrain, Encore, Endure, Fake Tears, Flash, Follow Me, Growl, Happy Hour, Helping Hand, Hold Hands, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Lucky Chant, Magic Coat, Magic Room, Magnet Rise, Mimic, Nasty Plot, Play Nice, Protect, Psychic Terrain, Rain Dance, Recycle, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Safeguard, Sing, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Swagger, Sweet Kiss, Sweet Scent, Tail Whip, Teeter Dance, Telekinesis, Teleport, Thunder Wave, Tickle, Toxic, Wish, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Raichu-Alola.

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 26: Raichu-Alola

Types

Electric/Psychic

Abilities

Surge Surfer

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/85/50/95/85/110

Total

485

Base Species

Raichu

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

Everything it can do I'm like 90% sure Thundurus does better

[sharp escarp]

Hmm

Ok):

He’ll just be watching

[next stump]

if you don't really care about winning, you can use it

[shadow wind]

Eerie impulse, Twave, electric damage

[chrome knot]

can i use lurantis

[shadow wind]

Words I've been told a lot 😔

[next stump]

you can absolutely use lurantis

just match into me at a regional

[chrome knot]

the 5 mon team will show in full colour lmao

[sharp escarp]

I’m not good anyways I lost from a charizard with solar beam

[chrome knot]

i also will nawt be participating this year

too expensive as a canadian lmao

[shadow wind]

Word

[next stump]

massive respect, plus the U.S. sucks

[chrome knot]

id rather go see kat and play in ur locals tbh

regionals are gonna be impossible task to afford reasonably

[sharp escarp]

You should see what it’s gonna be like in America

[next stump]

you'll like our locals, it's a good group of regulars

[shadow wind]

Wish I had locals near me

[sharp escarp]

Guys I think I’m gonna be so late for s/v competitive I should just play go

[foggy lodge]

Now I will pay 80$ to go 0-3 at Santiago regionals

So hyped thanks big pikachu

[next stump]

is santiago a regional or special? i hope latam is getting more regionals

[foggy lodge]

Regional

[next stump]

hell yeah

[foggy lodge]

Argentina and Colombia have specials

[shadow wind]

Never too late

[foggy lodge]

I wish I could travel to Argentina to play the buenos aires special event

Also Perú and lima special event

[sharp escarp]

I mean to get good

[shadow wind]

Yeah still never too late

[sharp escarp]

Yeah I’m starting to believe you

[shadow wind]

You just gotta want it enough

[sharp escarp]

Thank you for the motivational lesson

Now I spam shadow rider calerex in casual battles

[shadow wind]

🫡

[sharp escarp]

By the way what if I give richu Tera fairy?

[chrome knot]

live emily pov

[shadow wind]

Which one?

[sharp escarp]

Alolan

[shadow wind]

Still mid

[sharp escarp]

Ehh that would only be good for dark

Welp

I still have plan b

Shadow caler-

[chrome knot]

what

[shadow wind]

Why can't more people play this awesome OM

I won and went up 1 spot 😭

[rustic mountain]

i feel like i say this everyday here

[sharp escarp]

I feel like serperior would be good

[rustic mountain]

nah

[sharp escarp]

Isn’t it a fast tank?

[rustic mountain]

atleast not that ive seen

[sharp escarp]

And contrary would be good I feel like

[shadow wind]

Tank and Serperior should never be said together

Broski has glass bones

[rustic mountain]

it could be ok maybe in a regional dex format, issue is by the time it was allowed too many stronger mons just made it almost nonexistent

[shadow wind]

At least in a restricted format

I finally did it 😭

[rustic mountain]

most starters are not good for comp

i say this with the treecko line being my favorite and that is just not good either

[sharp escarp]

Inciniroar

[shadow wind]

Most, not all

[rustic mountain]

hence me saying most not all

[sharp escarp]

lol

[shadow wind]

Rillaboom is also very good

[rustic mountain]

yea

zard is solid sometimes same with venu

[sharp escarp]

Cause of grassy glide right?

[rustic mountain]

stoise was solid in swsh for a bit

[shadow wind]

More grassy terrain but yeah

[shadow wind]

That's cause they had signature moves

[rustic mountain]

glide helps but honestly its just a good mon overall, good atk, bulk and typing with a great ability

[shadow wind]

Any mon with those moves would be solid

[rustic mountain]

yea the residual damage was very good

[shadow wind]

Extremely

[sharp escarp]

Fyi the only competetive knowledge I have is from wolfe

[shadow wind]

Also just strong moves though

Also speaking of the stoise

My goat is awesome in full potential

Thank you lord for giving me this one thing 🙏

[rustic mountain]

wolfeys the goat but depending on what content ur watching of his, some of it isnt as informative. wen he does his deep dives tho

[sharp escarp]

I mean like what’s good or necessarily not good in competitive

[rustic mountain]

kinda different answers for that depending on format

[next stump]

main downside of wolfey videos is they're turbooooo outdated usually

[rustic mountain]

yea

[next stump]

like he'll drop a video in july on a team he used in december

and the meta is super different

[rustic mountain]

i think hes just made it a lot more digestable to a more widespread audience now tho too

[next stump]

oh yeah for sure

that's why I like his patreon where it's very much just rambling about the current state of pokemon, tourney results, etc.

[rustic mountain]

yea p much that or random streams hell do that too

[shadow wind]

I feel like watching any kind of VGC gameplay is bound to make you better

[sharp escarp]

So I quick question

Do I build a team around one pokemon of a team that covers each others weak points

[rustic mountain]

but yea i agree w/ u by the time he puts vids out, so much time has passed which isnt the greatest for assessing the current state of the meta tho understandably w/ the script and everything else its gna take some time

[rustic mountain]

so generally thats not a bad approach however rn we are in a dual restricted meta

so id say ud wanna aim for using 2 strong restricteds to start that complement and cover for each other in some way

[shadow wind]

In VGC right now you can have 2 restricteds which are usually just box legendaries so you can build around those 2

Defend the King and Queen type beat

And the bear in the forest

Gotta defend him too

[rustic mountain]

nd if ur conner u have to defend groudon everyday

[shadow wind]

In the battle and in the chats 😔

[rustic mountain]

multi front battle

[shadow wind]

Truly

An ego and elo battle

[sharp escarp]

I kinda just want someone to control my hands and guide me every step of the way for a team

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[rustic mountain]

check this out ^

[shadow wind]

Hey where's my channel ?

[rustic mountain]

id say ur best bet is to use a rental

[rustic mountain]

u have one?

[shadow wind]

Technically? Haven't posted in like 2 years

[rustic mountain]

well if u ever do and wanna promote #self_promotion

[shadow wind]

And 0 VGC content, don't worry I was almost 100% kidding

[rustic mountain]

haha i wasnt sure

[sharp escarp]

You the botw guy?

[shadow wind]

I did botw stuff yeah

Have you seen those videos?

[rustic mountain]

wat is happening

[shadow wind]

I have no idea 😭

[sharp escarp]

Nah I just searched you up

[shadow wind]

😔

[rustic mountain]

oh lmfao i was gna say wait

[shadow wind]

Almost got recognized

It was too good to be true

[rustic mountain]

rip

but yea check out wat i linked above hamburbur

some good vgc resources to get started

[sharp escarp]

Oh ok

[rustic mountain]

its a lot to take in so id say give urself time to process

[shadow wind]

"Day 293 of playing Groudon until I hit #1 on ladder"

New vid coming soon

[rustic mountain]

atleast ud keep some ppl engaged off sheer curiosity if u ever get there

[sharp escarp]

Only problem is I never know how to use the rental teams

[rustic mountain]

well one of the channels i linked above has cybertron

he features the teams he posts the rental for

so u can get an idea on how to use em, otherwise a lot of is just actually playing

[shadow wind]

7 views on each video and it's just you guys seeing how I lose that day

[rustic mountain]

u need experience to understand what works, why it works, how things interact etc

[rustic mountain]

🫡

[sharp escarp]

I’ll still watch em

[rustic mountain]

no definitely still watch them

i just meant like, its one thing to watch but another to actually play, its gna take a bit to get everything down

[shadow wind]

And then teambuilding

[sharp escarp]

I want to make a unique team but I never know where to even start

[shadow wind]

This was me when I found out I had to teambuild for Groudon

No one making teams for the goat 😔

[next stump]

this is substantially easier once you know what you are doing within VGC

[rustic mountain]

another one of those things ur gna need more practice/understanding b4 being able to delve into something like that. even some of the best players are not good teambuilders

[next stump]

if you try this to start, you will lose a lot and likely start to dislike the game

i've seen a lottttt of people come and go that way

[rustic mountain]

yea i wound up delaying growth early on trynna use all off meta or "unique" teams but the most fun ive ever had was wen i realized it couldnt only work my way

and began to really start learnin and appreciating vgc more

[shadow wind]

I think my growth got catapulted by a certain person

[rustic mountain]

?

[shadow wind]

The goat Maya 🙏

Too bad she's retired

[rustic mountain]

wheres maya been at

oh

[shadow wind]

She hates restricted formats

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

cant make rimbombee work now

[shadow wind]

I've tried to get her to come back but it hasn't worked

I ran with a group of fast runners or whatever that saying is

[rustic mountain]

yea no point in forcing it

[sharp escarp]

Like in one of wolfes video of him using his favorite pokemon he said “it isn’t exactly easy”

[shadow wind]

Gotta surround yourself with people that are good

[sharp escarp]

Like what do you mean I can’t use bidoof against calerex

[rustic mountain]

hahaha

yea depends on wat ur fav is, what the format is etc to how hard/easy it would be

[sharp escarp]

GUYS I SWEAR INCINIROAR IS JUST MY FAVORITE POKEMON GUYS I SWEAR ITS NOT JUST CAUSE ITS GOOD IN COMPETETIVE GUYS

NUH UH

[rustic mountain]

hahah

i will say comp made me like incin tho

its done that w/ quite a few mons ive used

incins the guy ppl think is broken who keeps the actual broken guys honest

[shadow wind]

Groudon has been my ride or die

Since day one !

[sharp escarp]

“Why this stupid cat ruined competetive”

[shadow wind]

"Why he saved competitive"

[sharp escarp]

The way of teaching Incineroar fake out

[rustic mountain]

the best incin is an incin waiting to be pivoted in for fake out

[sharp escarp]

What in the Galarian runeregas

[shadow wind]

With Miraidon on the field

[rustic mountain]

me facing ur team where tera water incin is not an option:

[shadow wind]

Tera water Incin?

I've been bug pilled

[rustic mountain]

yea one of my csr/zama variants had tera water incin

mainly rain tera grass tho

[shadow wind]

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Fake Out

I've been running this set for a while

[rustic mountain]

oh wow

wat do u take like 10% from astral barrage lmfao

[ember niche]

Any advice on what to do my Gengar when I comes to Tera typing, moveset and IVs? Want to use it on some terra raids and looking for advice

[shadow wind]

252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 30-35 (14.8 - 17.3%) -- possible 6HKO

Eh close enough

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[rustic mountain]

wow more then i thought

[foggy lodge]

You hate CSR so much

[next stump]

check out #tera_strategy_discussion

[foggy lodge]

How much do you take from sash

[ember niche]

Thanks appreciate it

[gentle crag]

anthology24 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[shadow wind]

252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 23-27 (11.3 - 13.3%) -- possible 8HKO

[sharp escarp]

I’m the most annoying person

Tera fairy shadow caly

[rustic mountain]

still more then i thought wtf haha

[foggy lodge]

Only 4% boost from life orb lmao

[shadow wind]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Incineroar in Electric Terrain: 172-204 (85.1 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

I also like this calc

[rustic mountain]

only reason i dont like av incin is no parting shot

[shadow wind]

That's valid

[rustic mountain]

u turning out can feel so bad sometimes but i get avs value

[foggy lodge]

I wonder what survived tera electric specs electro drift from modest Miraidon in early reg G

[rustic mountain]

i used it a few times b4

[foggy lodge]

I genuinely don't remember anything surviving that

[shadow wind]

Groudon

[foggy lodge]

You are so right

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Usually am

[rustic mountain]

but does it survive +1 draco

[sharp escarp]

Bro teach me the ways of Groudon

[rustic mountain]

dont go to the dark side hamburbur

[sharp escarp]

He seems bad and great by the judges of you

[shadow wind]

I'll keep it a stack, you don't want him

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[shadow wind]

I barely want him

https://pokepast.es/12463ceba548517b

[foggy lodge]

"barely" and he has a red infinite line of Groudons in his teambuilder

[shadow wind]

I'm running this and it works but Smeargle is a head ache

[sharp escarp]

The only experience I had with groudon was with fire Ogerpon

[shadow wind]

He makes me

[sharp escarp]

Because I saw water ogerpon with Kroger

[shadow wind]

Firepon is good with Groudon but Firepon is more useful than Groudon on those teams

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

Yeah Groudon is like the enabler

That's why we should use Groudon with Firepon and Jumpluff!!!

Double grass type redirector

[sharp escarp]

I mean groudon would set up sun and then ogerpon would Tera and spam ivy crudge

Ogerpon is a w pokemon

It’s so cute

[shadow wind]

So is Groudon

[foggy lodge]

I think it's more epic than cute

[sharp escarp]

Agreed

I wonder is primal groudon and Kroger will be in za

If so

That would be scary and great

[shadow wind]

Look at that face

[sharp escarp]

You’ve changed my mind

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[foggy lodge]

You know when you look at a just newborn baby and everyone says its cute

[sharp escarp]

Reminds me

[shadow wind]

🥀

[sharp escarp]

Great menacing god of time

[bold geode]

Nah I just immediately push on the soft spot

[sharp escarp]

You mean their head?

As someone who is at a beach I totally expect groudon and Krogre to start fighting and me almost losing my life

[dense latch]

why is its head so big

[shadow wind]

He has a lot on his mind

Oh Erik I hit top 10 in full potential

[dense latch]

nicee

[shadow wind]

Farmed this guy for like 40 points

And that’s a lot when you’re already top 50

[dense latch]

wait that's insane

did you beat rank 1 lmao

[shadow wind]

Nah

He was top 10 both times though

Beat him twice

20 elo a pop

[dense latch]

ohh

[shadow wind]

The team I settled on has Blastoise

I’ve seen him used maybe once?

[rustic mountain]

where r u top 50

[shadow wind]

Hey give that boy an AV and that’s some serious spinage

[shadow wind]

Like the format?

[gentle crag]

connertep (ID 638505796476469249)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
And that’s a lot when you’re already top 50

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Jul 30, 2025, 3:44 AM

[rustic mountain]

in reference to this

[shadow wind]

Full potential

The OMotM

[rustic mountain]

huh

[rustic mountain]

again, huh

wat is that

[shadow wind]

One of the monthly OMs

I'm going to miss it 😔

[rustic mountain]

how many times can u respond w/o actually answering

what does full potential entail;

[shadow wind]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/full-potential-julys-lcotm.3711127

[rustic mountain]

ok ty

[shadow wind]

Pretty much your highest stat is your attacking stat

Lots of stuff got banned

Dude Terapagos got banned

He wasn't even that broken

[dense latch]

mix and mega is fun too if you want to try that after full potential goes away

[shadow wind]

Maybe I'll dabble

[dense latch]

at least it was until i went from #5 to dropping 150 elo or so

[shadow wind]

I can't believe they banned agility but not AV

[dense latch]

only 80%+ gxe i've gotten

[rustic mountain]

ok so after reading the summary and why dpult needed to be banned alongside korai and mirai, it seems fun but not something id play

[shadow wind]

Cause he could have a 142 spatk draco with no drawbacks

[rustic mountain]

yea

[shadow wind]

It's just really strong

But it would lose to a lot so I don't really know why he is banned

Like AV is the most used item so dracos lowkey bounce off

https://pokepast.es/c337977eb2ee4d32

Like as wild as it looks this is the team I used

Erik is mix and mega a perma OM?

[dense latch]

yea

[shadow wind]

Interesting

Did Lando get banned?

That's the only thing I remember from Mix and Mega

Red orb Lando

• 50 spatk + fire type + weather ball + 1 weakness

[dense latch]

red orb got banned

i think lando is still legal bc it doesnt show up in the bans

[shadow wind]

What a shame 😔

Both orbs banned or just red?

[dense latch]

blue orb is legal

[shadow wind]

Dude

I hate it when they do that

Drought is banned in full potential

But Drizzle isn't

[foggy lodge]

I need VGC content

X doesn't have even VGC drama

This period is so boring ughhhhh

[molten oasis]

Just a few more days

Then we’ll hopefully get a new format

[rustic mountain]

next format they only ban zacian

[ocean pawn]

Is xern legal?

[rustic mountain]

no

thank the heavens

[ocean pawn]

I’m asking in this I know it’s not legal in vgc

[molten oasis]

What the fuck

[rustic mountain]

i wasnt sure if ud come back nd see it

[molten oasis]

Bro works at game freak and will only ban zacian just to spite me

[rustic mountain]

id actually revert zacians nerf if i worked at gf

[molten oasis]

Never expected that

[sharp escarp]

Guys I’m I’ve decided I’m going with my favorite pokemon to a tournament

[rustic mountain]

u forget i used zacian a lot in swsh

[molten oasis]

Did you like using zacian?

[foggy lodge]

I would just give both dogs 5 10 more points to their stats

160 atk Zac and 145 defenses Zama

[rustic mountain]

also i think b/w its inabiltiy to run another item and specifically being susceptible to intimidate and having only single target attacks itd be fine

[foggy lodge]

I would keep the ability nerf tho

[sharp escarp]

Bidoof mudkip dragonite sawaddle cosmic and magic harp😎

I’m totally gonna win

[rustic mountain]

i liked winning and zacian helped me w/ that

[molten oasis]

Fair