competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

bro hits like a wet noodle

[wind sparrow]

90 in both attacks is awful bro

[molten oasis]

+3 earth power failed to ohko a zacian

[wind sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-gif-13086775882161978268

btw is deoxys good?

[dense latch]

not legal

[wind sparrow]

what if he was?

would he be rly good?

[solid frigate]

not really

Mythicals are useless most of the time when they are allowed

[dense latch]

prob too frail

[wind sparrow]

50 hp is kaka

[dense latch]

depending on limitations on how many mythicals per team are allowed it'd just be a worse shadow rider

[wind sparrow]

like dude defense form especially

160 defense is nice but 50 hp???

what was nintendo on making deoxys defense form bro

[solid frigate]

gen 3

Also its gamefreak before they know how to make spreads

[wind sparrow]

no what substance but ok

[molten oasis]

hm

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 386: Deoxys

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/150/50/150/50/150

Total

600

Other Formes

Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Deoxys-Speed

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 386: Deoxys-Defense

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/70/160/70/160/90

Total

600

Base Species

Deoxys

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 386: Deoxys-Attack

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/180/20/180/20/150

Total

600

Base Species

Deoxys

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 386: Deoxys-Speed

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Pressure

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/95/90/95/90/180

Total

600

Base Species

Deoxys

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

if it had a real ability i think attack form with sash or redirection could be a monster

otherwise no

[wind sparrow]

true

[molten oasis]

honestly normal deoxys isnt all that bad

but youre already frail

so might as well feed into it and get more damage

[wind sparrow]

but like every legend before gen 4 had fuggin pressure

[molten oasis]

yes

its quite bad

[wind sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-hamster-sadhamster-hammy-hampter-popcat-gif-6561088576429774594

avg pokemon fan when new legend has pressure:

20 legends have pressure btw

out of 71

that is like 1/3

latest is eternatus

[dense latch]

yea they kinda defaulted to pressure most of the time

at least some mons got saved by hidden abilities

[wind sparrow]

all the good night gifs are booty so good night and dont let darkai eat your soul

[ocean pawn]

https://pokepast.es/0a2bfcd3b3cad1df

[dense latch]

you have two sashes

lorb csr looks much better here anyways

[ocean pawn]

whoops

also incin had 2 parting shots so i replace one with knock off

[dense latch]

protect is a waste of a moveslot on incin imo

you'd be better off with taunt/ will-o/flare blitz

[rustic mountain]

whats better then parting shot? 2 parting shots

[dense latch]

yk what’s better than 2 parting shots

[rustic mountain]

3 parting shots?

[dense latch]

2 parting shots and a uturn

[stone trellis]

Unless you're a former world champion who has won four tournaments with a very specific strategy and needs to have Protect on everything.

[molten oasis]

cant wait for the incin buff where pshot does -2 instead of -1 to both stats

[stone trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sped-up-sonic-sonic-exe-gif-14436121552651885075

Grimmsnarl when that buff happens:

[shadow wind]

Tree

What beats Landorus that isn’t CIR

[cyan smelt]

Kyogre

[stone trellis]

Scarfshifu.

[cyan smelt]

Chien pao

[shadow wind]

Ok that isn’t a restricted that works with Groudon Miraidon

[cyan smelt]

Walking wake

[shadow wind]

Ok the have the 4 of

Miraidon
CIR
Landorus
Incineroar

Walking wake don’t do it like that

[cyan smelt]

2/4 ain't bad

[stone trellis]

I don't even get what you are talking about, Conner.

[shadow wind]

I hate Landorus and wake is cool but it feels like a bad mon

Hydro steam is hitting Incin for like 70%

Which yes is a lot but then Miraidon or CIR just OHKO

[stone trellis]

Just use the funny sword cat.

[shadow wind]

Then I’m forced to run crash which I’m already running blades and Draco

I don’t love adding another inaccurate move

[stone trellis]

Makes Groudon actually kill with super effective moves and kills Lando.

[shadow wind]

Especially against Lando which beats both my Restricteds

[stone trellis]

And you can always just use Ice Spinner.

[shadow wind]

On a Miraidon team?

I’d rather not

[stone trellis]

I don't know, man.

You chose to play Miraidon-Groudon, you have to deal with the restrictions of that duo.

[shadow wind]

Right let me never ask for help again sounds good to me

I don’t need to hear that my restricted duo is bad

It’s kinda all I’ve been told this entire regulation

When I ask for help I’m looking for insight into the problem not a direct answer

I have genuine reasons to not run Wake or Pao

[stone trellis]

Who said that you didn't have reasons to not run them?

[cyan smelt]

Volcarona

[stone trellis]

I never said it was bad, I just said that there's a limited amount of Pokemon who want to work with it.

[shadow wind]

It’s not that anyone said that it’s just that I felt it necessary to give reason to not use the suggestions given

[shadow wind]

This guy takes 80 from an EP

[stone trellis]

And if you Tera to Grass to predict EP, you die to SB.

[molten oasis]

have you tried pao?

[cyan smelt]

Iron bungle, you don't need to run hydro pump

[shadow wind]

I was thinking bundle

It also lets me run specs Miraidon

And I think specs is currently the best item because more people are calcing for scarf and AV Miraidon

[shadow wind]

I don’t think I can afford more inaccurate moves

[cyan smelt]

Bundle gives good speed control with icy wind too

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

I think its also your best option against lando but ok

[shadow wind]

I’d have to run crash

[molten oasis]

run crash, its not that bad

[shadow wind]

At that point I might as well go to a casino and play slots

[molten oasis]

brother you play groudon

[shadow wind]

That doesn’t mean I can’t make the rest of the team consistent

I’m limiting the luck to one mon

[stone trellis]

Use Gravity Sableye.

Limit the luck to no mons.

[shadow wind]

Alright thanks for the input guys

[bold geode]

Risk vs reward

[shadow wind]

That does not apply when Bundle can do the same thing as Pao without risking a 90% chance

[bold geode]

?

[molten oasis]

consider miraidon

[stone trellis]

He wants a way to kill Lando.

[molten oasis]

who runs draco, like dawg

what is your team im curious

[shadow wind]

I don’t have one broski

I’m team building and I have Groudon Miraidon

[bold geode]

I think y'all worry about missing

[shadow wind]

And from past experience Landorus is the #1 issue

[bold geode]

WAY

[molten oasis]

and you refused to try pao because crash is 90% accurate

[bold geode]

Too much

[shadow wind]

I have played Groudon this entire format as well as both Reg Gs

[molten oasis]

im not saying dont try bundle

[shadow wind]

I understand the risk of moves being inaccurate

[molten oasis]

but like, i think pao is pretty helpful for groudon, helps into CSR

[stone trellis]

Unless your luck is as abysmal as mine and you miss High Horsepower twice when it would've won you the game, it's not that big of an issue.

[cyan smelt]

If you want to be annoying you can use encore bundle too

[molten oasis]

you'd have to

[shadow wind]

Isn’t encore pretty much necessary?

[molten oasis]

sun removes your water stab

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[shadow wind]

I’ve seen a team with u turn but that was a funky one

I haven’t really been playing Reg I because I’ve been singling it up but when I have a draft for the team I’ll come back with it

[bold geode]

Imma get some flack for this but I think chalking losses to bad luck unless it really was is just bad mentality

[stone trellis]

I was facing a Tera Fire Korai with my +1 CIR in Trick Room. It really was bad luck.

[bold geode]

Cuz a lot of people will just say "oh I lost solely cuz of this miss" in games that if you play back, there is 1 or 2 things that could've been done that would've let you win without having to get luck involved

[stone trellis]

And it was at like, 70% because of Flare Blitz recoil.

[shadow wind]

Bros been reading up some VGC Corner Twitter

[bold geode]

Just generally speaking

[molten oasis]

Monke's been on that guru shit for a while

[bold geode]

It's a belief I been having lmao

I have unlocked my third eye
My Zen state

[shadow wind]

I hate 90% of the tweets recently but there will be the occasional good one

“Why did you crash out at the game? Maybe it’s because you hate yourself?” Like man I know this you don’t need to vocalize it

[strange fjord]

i would say this applies to like 85% of battles. But sometimes, even if you play perfectly, a miss can cost you the game. Especially in unfavorable match ups.

[molten oasis]

eeehhh

I say that about kyoge (cuz i genuinely feel like its true half the time) but for the most part theres usually a better play you could have made

[shadow wind]

But usually the better play is a read

And one cannot expect to predict every turn

[bold geode]

I'd say more than that
Hell at least 90% if you're playing with big miss moves like Groudon or Kyogre but if not? 95% I'd say

[shadow wind]

“Oh they obviously switched out there” nah, nothing is obvious in Pokémon

[strange fjord]

Groudon players when they can't hit their Precipice Blades, Rock Slide, and High Horsepower for 3 turns in a row (shouldve used Heat Crash bozo)

[shadow wind]

It’s really easy to look back at games and thing of better plays

[shadow wind]

Heat crash I always better😔

Can we make Groudon heavier?

[stone trellis]

I was playing against a guy using Dual Bikes and I lost the first game. When we agreed to have a rematch, I played the exact same way and won because High Horsepower didn't miss.

[bold geode]

Anyways @shadow wind so I know that RNG is memed a lot
Hell you run a restricted notorious for missing
Personally idc if you run Bundle or Pao
Both technically can work

But one thing I missed seeing RN is consideration of not only cons
But also pros

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah no one really cares what I decide to do, it doesn’t affect them

Both are options I just prefer one

Both are quite similar mons

[bold geode]

Why I said risk vs reward in a sense
Sure the bad thing can happen, but what are the good things
What do I want more and what mon/move gets the job done
Even comparing moves can have this benefit and drawback to consider

[shadow wind]

I think icy wind is more valuable than the damage boost Pao would give Groudon

But if I do use bundle then I need a really good tr answer

Because CIR Kyogre is like getting pushed down a hill then stabbed

[bold geode]

Alright
Cool, we got 3 more slots to fill

[molten oasis]

go go gadget iron hands

[strange fjord]

oh, i thought it was getting stabbed then pushed down a hill.

its not that bad then

[shadow wind]

Maybe even getting stabbed at the top and the bottom

[strange fjord]

double the pain

[stone trellis]

I actually have a CIR-Kyogre team I'd like to test out.

[shadow wind]

Stab to push to more stab

[bold geode]

Also people shit on Mirai Groudon but it's not even bad

[shadow wind]

It’s very mediocre

[bold geode]

No it's actually pretty good LMAO

[shadow wind]

I don’t know if I’d go that far

[bold geode]

Have you seen the teams around with it, there's like 3 teams I've seen with this duo and they're all kind of gas

[shadow wind]

I’d love to call it awesome but it has a lot of holes

[stone trellis]

The big issues are with Groudon, but Miraidon is so good that you can sort of ignore them.

[bold geode]

Groudon is a top 10 restricted and you can't deny it

[stone trellis]

So in short: Bring Primal Groudon back, I promise Mirai-Pdon willl be gas.

[shadow wind]

Top 10 on a list of like 12 usable restricted 🥀🥀

[stone trellis]

The competition for #9 ain't that stiff, chief.

[bold geode]

Nah sadly it's widdled down to 10
11 if we still count Ho Oh, which I think very few people have to

[stone trellis]

We have Miraidon, CSR, CIR, Lunala, Koraidon, Kyogre, Zacian, Groudon and Ho-oh. That's nine. Who did I miss?

[shadow wind]

Terapagos

[stone trellis]

Oh right, the other dog.

[shadow wind]

And yeah Zama

[stone trellis]

Fuck Pagos, all my homies hate Pagos.

[bold geode]

You skipped over Zam and Pagos like they were just not there LMFAO

[stone trellis]

So that's 11.

[bold geode]

Ho Oh gets the participation trophy

[shadow wind]

Ho oh was cool early Reg

[bold geode]

Like
Let's see here right
Let's actually take a second and look

So there's 3 things that Ho Oh is good into right

1. Zamazenta
2. Zacian
3. Koraidon
   Ok
   Let's see what we got going on

[shadow wind]

It’s fairly good into CSR as well

154 spdef is monstrous

[bold geode]

1. Zamazenta - good into Zam CSR but Zam Mirai? Meeeeeehhhhh very different story. Hell Zam Ogre is even a thing, and that MU don't look too hot
2. Zacian - Zac Ogre is a thing and let's be honest, Zacian isn't doing at least as hot as some might've expected so
3. Koraidon - sure but like a fuckton of Korai teams slap on a Wake already so like yeah

[stone trellis]

Imagine if its Defense and Special Attack were switched around.

[shadow wind]

Then you have another Groudon

Wait you said spatk

I cannot read

It would be nice if he was a little physically bulkier

But this was back in Gen 2

They weren’t thinking of the Ho oh vs CSR Zama MU 😭😭

[molten oasis]

zacogre is an eh thing but its a thing

[bold geode]

So cuz of this like
Here's the thing
Ho Oh is a Mon
That really was kind of good into one matchup and not very good into a lot more MUs
But in Milwaukee, you saw it do good cuz going into the event guess what?
The thing that was #1 to beat going into the event was basically solely the MU that Ho Oh is good against

[shadow wind]

And then it didn’t even win

[bold geode]

It was a meta call for a reason and RN the meta call ain't that strong unfortunately

[shadow wind]

Miraidon Lunala 😔

[bold geode]

And like
Sure you can argue that Ho Oh can deal with the Grass types that Mirai struggles with
But like
Just run Volcarona for that

Hell if you take away the TW support Ho Oh gives, Volcarona does basically a ton of the things Ho Oh does without taking up a restricted slot

[shadow wind]

It even beats Zama better

Also Volc gets TW so they do the same thing

[bold geode]

Yeah but how many use it?

[shadow wind]

I feel like I’ve seen more TW than QD recently

I’m kinda of excited to start team building again

[bold geode]

Honestly think sadly that we're in a messed up world where QD is better
I don't like it

[shadow wind]

I think I like team building more than actually battling

[solid frigate]

what am i running into

[stone trellis]

This team honestly isn't half bad.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410090391

I think I should replace one of Valiant's moves with Coaching though.

[ocean pawn]

you know pdon and xern is still the restriced pairing in all of pokemon

[stone trellis]

Yeah, and?

Who the fuck teras Urshifu into Ground in front of the most obvious Glacial Lance ever?
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410093544-dygxer0oa788oqtwrvue5al44r8f4vmpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410094426

[stone trellis]

Despite how good it was, it didn't win either of the World Championships it was legal for on any division.

I think it's just not built to win Worlds at this point.

[ocean pawn]

you know it's the same with csr and zama right

[stone trellis]

Damn, are you from 2026?

Also, CSR-Zama didn't win in 2022 because Zamazenta was frankly mid in Gen 8.

[ocean pawn]

yeah that's because everyone was prepered for it

[stone trellis]

I know, but the fact that Big Six was so strong and always failed to cross the finish line is so funny to me.

[lofty forum]

Any tips on how to get a lot of TMs faster?

I just finished the game

[ocean pawn]

craft them

[stone trellis]

Do a lot of Tera Raids to farm League Points and get the materials required to craft them in the HM Machine.

[lofty forum]

Seems like training pokemons for ScarVi is much harder compared to SwSh 😅

I just got the game and switch 2 just recently to play competitive again like I did in SwSh

[stone trellis]

Singles or doubles?

[ocean pawn]

https://youtu.be/dlmogINK4nA?si=3JrIvxsz3Usx40M5

[stone trellis]

I already watched the video.

[stone trellis]

^

[ocean pawn]

the amount of regionals it lost csr + zama have prob won i thin big six was much better

[stone trellis]

I never said that CSR-Zamazenta was better.

You're arguing with the voices, champ.

[solid frigate]

honestly given how more new pokemon have better quality

Its much MUCH easier to beat it

not to mention,new megas are coming

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

And hopefully one of them will be a Ground type.

I wonder if Mega Excadrill would be able to beat Pdon.

[solid frigate]

its more like big 6 is strong since gen 6 has very limited stuff to fight it and dark void smeargle is a menace

[stone trellis]

And the fact that those six Pokemon were some of the best in the game individually.

[solid frigate]

its basically just like Rinya Sun,Arubega Miraidon and Chalk

All the pokemon there are good

i'm not underrating big 6 but i don't think overrating them is that healthy

[stone trellis]

Same with overrating CHALK, right?

I wonder if people will glaze Arubega Miraidon in the future like they glaze CHALK now.

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/68fc1b647209b46d finally decided to comeback to competetive pokemon and have built this team idea, any thoughts/ideas would be much appreciated

[stone trellis]

Why is Groudon Tera Ground?

If you're going to run Heat Crash, you kind of need Tera Fire to be able to do any real damage with it.

[real prairie]

@mighty stump

Uniqlo

[timber falcon]

tera and items havent been set in stone

yeah its gonna be tera fire, ill actually work out all the wanted tera types rn

[stone trellis]

The funniest thing you could do is maybe give the Psychic Seed to Volcarona and just make it unkillable on the special side.

Either that or you could give Volc the Rocky Helmet to force Urshifu to hurt itself and roll for a burn.

[timber falcon]

was just thinking of how i could take advantage of either the terrain or weather to a larger scale, psychic seed might be a good idea

[stone trellis]

Indeedee can run Psychic Seed too.

This team seems really bulky anyway.

[timber falcon]

i think ill run seed on volcarona, because most attacks are gonna be directed to indeedee in most cases, whearas psychic seed helps in cases of spread attacks

[timber falcon]

that was the idea, when reg I originally came out i wanted to make a team of groudon and pagos, i felt like they synergised when it came to defensiveness

never been great at playing offensive teams

btw, do you think chi-yu would fit over volcarona? Just a potential swap i had in mind

[stone trellis]

I feel like Volcarona fits the more defensive style of your team better.

Also, I lost this shit to a damage roll.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410147763

252 Atk Iron Valiant Spirit Break vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Landorus: 70-84 (35.7 - 42.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[jade dust]

I think mega Gengar won’t be good anymore

Cuz Flutter Mane

Will get OHKO by flutter and can’t hold sash cuz mega stone

[left bobcat]

UGHHHHHHH these paradox mons

[jade dust]

Actually flutter makes many of the good megas pretty bad lol

Salamance will also be in danger

Maybe we see the rise of Metagross and Scizor with bullet punch to kill flutter

[timber falcon]

why ignore landorus on turn 3?

[stone trellis]

I didn't ignore it, I just didn't get to KO it.

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/flutter-mane-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-gif-9355888796202244558

[stone trellis]

But to be fair, I think Spirit Break chip would have helped me more in the endgame.

[jade dust]

Exactly

[stone trellis]

But you know who doesn't mind?

[timber falcon]

oh yeah likely went for glacial lance

[left bobcat]

Well back to kangaskhan it is

[stone trellis]

Sucker Punch?

[jade dust]

It won’t get power up punch back hopefully

[left bobcat]

Wicked blow

[jade dust]

[stone trellis]

Power-Up Punch on Kangaskhan would be really funny if you can pressure Flutter Mane to go Tera Normal.

[jade dust]

Nobody uses tera normal tho

It’s always fairy

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

In which case, just use the funny mechanical spider.

[jade dust]

I hope they bring back SwSh animations for Champions

[stone trellis]

I don't think any form of Flutter Mane wants to take Iron Head from Mega Metagross.

[jade dust]

Or bullet punch

[left bobcat]

Bullet punch is already overkill

[jade dust]

Just gotta be careful with Fari and Indeedee

[stone trellis]

Even Tera Fire takes up to 75% from that.

[jade dust]

Earthquake OHKO

[timber falcon]

252+ Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 164 Def Flutter Mane: 134-158 (82.7 - 97.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

dont underestimate the flutter

[jade dust]

Who the fuck would run those evs tho

[left bobcat]

That’s light work

Just u turn

[timber falcon]

can go 252/100 bold, support fluttermanes may run

[jade dust]

You will be outspeed then

[left bobcat]

Seeeeyuh

[jade dust]

Bye

[left bobcat]

🏃🏽💨

[stone trellis]

What about Iron Head?

[timber falcon]

252+ Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Flutter Mane: 218-258 (134.5 - 159.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

not a chance

[solid frigate]

Just use Heavy slam atp

[stone trellis]

How heavy is Metagross?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 376: Metagross-Mega

Types

Steel/Psychic

Abilities

Tough Claws

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/145/150/105/110/110

Total

700

Weight (Low Kick BP)

942.9kg (120 BP)

Height

2.5m

Introduced

Generation 6

Base Species

Metagross

Egg groups

Mineral

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Required Item

Metagrossite

Battle Only

This Pokémon only appears in battle.

Color

Blue

Sableye version 4.28.2

[timber falcon]

quite heavy lol

https://pokepast.es/7a2dcfd2fba55fba thoughts? Just finished might make some changes

[stone trellis]

Bolt is way too much of a glass cannon here.

[next stump]

two SpA set up pokémon is probably too much

[stone trellis]

People generally tend to run something to the effect of 188 HP / 76 Def to survive Glacial Lance.

[timber falcon]

good point, forgot to consider that i had 2 set up mons

[stone trellis]

The least you need against 116 Adamant CIR is like, 188 HP / 60 Def.

[timber falcon]

but from how ive been using my team rn, it operates as 2 different teams of 4 tbh, one team where the sun is very powerful and one where its not. if that makes sense

so i havent been having much trouble when it comes to both set up mons (added bolt for immediate damage) but ill keep that in mind in case it becomes overwhelming

and of course clear am groudon for a heavy hit as well

[stone trellis]

AV Groudon can be really funny with the right support.

[timber falcon]

originally ran with this actually lol

[stone trellis]

I remember running a team that had Leech Seed CIR, AV Groudon with Crunch, Coaching Iron Valiant, Volcarona, Grimmsnarl and something else.

Oh right, it was Bolt.

The guy who never did anything on this team.

That was the first team that got me to Master Ball rank.

[timber falcon]

yeah what was leech seed CIR about

i remember coming back to play a few games with a rental and being absolutlely badazzled

[stone trellis]

So you know how Ice Rider is this really tanky Pokemon that survives almost every singular attack in the game?

Well, what if it also had the ability to recover its health and become even more unkillable?

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410184061

This was a really good game

My opponent played very well

[next stump]

i’m very surprised your opponent didn’t switch Ursh into Farigiraf and tera fairy dazzling gleam

I guess they were very afraid of trick room which makes some sense

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410192667 first game with this teem that i was particularly close to losing, should i have run the sun alternative with volcarona?

kinda saw CSR and immediately hit pagos

[stone trellis]

I beat stall.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410205082-pt1w7t9cyy57xhadkio59bwh6ekf8hwpw

[jade dust]

Yeah my Fari is built purely defensively so a it would had live a dazzling

I was planning to win with trick room cuz Zacian gives me a lot of trouble

I was switching in caly ice this turn cuz electric terrain was about to expire so I can protect that last turn and I was expecting to be able to survive an electro drill and behemoth blade if I tera fire

[jade dust]

Well stop clicking spread moves in front of wide guard

Resisted damage is better than no damage

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[wind sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wave-megan-gif-4036815564849848744

[jade dust]

Hi

[stone trellis]

Hey.

[wind sparrow]

I got tyranitar : )

[jade dust]

You could had 3HKO Zama with dark pulse or 2HKO Chein Pao

Dark pulse is an interesting choice as well, I would use earth power

[wind sparrow]

aslo 18k pb B )

[stone trellis]

?

[wind sparrow]

blueberry points

[stone trellis]

Oh.

[wind sparrow]

oh typo

anyways thanks to @craggy aspen he gave me tyranitar

[gentle crag]

adrian_40257 has given 1 Gen Rep to thatoneguy005

[wind sparrow]

???

[craggy aspen]

[jade dust]

Also in this match I would had brought Whimsicott and taunt Eternatus

This team falls apart with taunt

[wind sparrow]

what is a gen rep

[stone trellis]

Ah yes, because Assault Vest CIR and Scarf Miraidon really rely on status moves.

[jade dust]

I mean the stall team

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're right.

[jade dust]

That Eternatus with toxic and cosmic power

[wind sparrow]

guys?

[jade dust]

They become useless with taunt

[stone trellis]

But I don't think my Whims has Taunt anyway

[jade dust]

Smh

[next stump]

whenever you say thank you to someone in this discord, they get a "gen rep"

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to adrian_40257

[next stump]

doesn't really mean anything

[wind sparrow]

oh ok

[timber falcon]

It was to cover for body press, and effectively lock the zamazenta into wide guard so I could single out the side mon

[jade dust]

I know but Zama wasting turn in a wide guard that did nothing is enough to put you in the lead already

[wind sparrow]

anyways more BBQ farming for me cause snacksworth quest wont do themselves

[jade dust]

In this scenario both your terapagos and Zama were locked for like 4 turns

Better to have Zama block nothing with wide guard for one turn so you open the 50/50 if you’ll use single target again or not

[bold geode]

Dillon Dillon
Do you have a shiny Eevee

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[next stump]

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-eevee-happy-eevee-gif-7357715405444476930

the shiny eevee incident

[stone trellis]

?

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/11c9a26d3eb62c93
https://pokepast.es/a121ade1a3093042

Teams from the EU invitational

Ceribelli is playing his mirainala team

[timber falcon]

True true, guess I was worried they’d try a quick one on me

Got a habit for always tryna play the “safest” moves

[stone trellis]

You have to make risks.

[polar canyon]

Run precipice blades groudon

You'll always be at risk

[stone trellis]

"Is Zamazenta going to sit there and take the + 1 Tera Fire Ivy Cudgel like a good boy?" "Will they click Taunt into the most obvious Glacial Lance ever?"

[timber falcon]

But then I feel so horrible when it’s wrong

[polar canyon]

It also feels horrible when you didn't take a risk and realize it would have paid off

[stone trellis]

Boo-hoo.

[karmic temple]

Got the switch 2 for my birthday so back to competitive pokemon we go

[stone trellis]

Life without risks is like chicken without seasoning.

[karmic temple]

Is it still calys and Kyogre

[polar canyon]

It's caly miraidon

[timber falcon]

Ya

[polar canyon]

Kyogre still exists tho

[timber falcon]

Im also seeing frequent lunala CIR teams

[polar canyon]

I like kyogre you just have to press one button

[karmic temple]

I do love one button plays

Lunala sounds fun though I haven’t used her yet

[solid frigate]

Kyogre isn't really 1 button unless you are scarf spouting

[polar canyon]

Yeah it's 2 for me

Either protect or spout

Sometimes ice beam

[timber falcon]

Always stressing when I’m against kyogre

[polar canyon]

You gotta get it below 100% fast

[timber falcon]

Most “safe plays” sacrifice 2 of my pokemon 💔

[karmic temple]

Now where does fezandipiti and incineroar fit into the meta

[foggy lodge]

One in the box the other on every team

[polar canyon]

Incineroar fits in every meta idk about fezandipiti

[karmic temple]

(Fez doesn’t I know qq)

[timber falcon]

Incin is still highest used

[foggy lodge]

This format is horrible to play safe lol

[polar canyon]

Technically if you count both forms of calyrex as the same pokemon then calyrex would be the highest used

[foggy lodge]

50s on every turn

[timber falcon]

Yeah slowly learning this

[polar canyon]

The team I'm trying to build still feels incomplete

[timber falcon]

U got a paste?

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/5b57b357dea52703

I had whims in slot 6 but I was never using it

So I should replace it

[timber falcon]

Ah so an island mon

[polar canyon]

With something I'll use

[timber falcon]

Why not tornados?

[polar canyon]

Good point

[solid frigate]

mine is like slow Ogre lmao

[solid frigate]

fez moment

[polar canyon]

Well

I think I need more offensive pressure maybe

Maybe something that makes me not lose to dozogiri too

[timber falcon]

Is landorus and zacian not enough?

[polar canyon]

Ok yeah it is

[timber falcon]

They’re pretty immediate hard hitters

[polar canyon]

Also electabuzz is slept on

[foggy lodge]

Until Lando dies from wave crash

And zac doesn't do anything xd

[stone trellis]

CIR-Miraidon:

[foggy lodge]

Unaware

[polar canyon]

Idk if I can fit that into my zac kyogre team

[stone trellis]

That's on you.

[foggy lodge]

Just run 4 restricteds

[stone trellis]

You could also run something like Wellspring Ogerpon to kill Dozo with Horn Leech and force it into healing you with Wave Crash.

[foggy lodge]

15% damage horn leech

Vs 50% damage body press

[stone trellis]

Encore it into Wave Crash.

What's it gonna do, switch out?

[polar canyon]

I'm also not super worried about dozo because not very common rn

[stone trellis]

It can lose you a game.

[timber falcon]

True

[polar canyon]

So there's like a 1% chance I'll be in a losing matchup I think I can deal with that

I won the one game I got put against it while testing

[foggy lodge]

Teach me the secret tech to encore opponents on moves they never click

[polar canyon]

Because I crit it instantly

I could also just like add incineroar for even more fake out and have a team that's 50% pivots

Surprisingly electabuzz has been enough speed control most of the time

I swear this guy is slept on

[stone trellis]

I don't know, man.

I'm not good at VGC.

I am giving the best advice I can give.

If it's shit, that's on me.

[polar canyon]

Real

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410235595-t9r1batk18cywdnc9171aq6xyxgm3rspw

Now this was a mirror match lol

[stone trellis]

I love CIR so much, man.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410238613

[timber falcon]

does volcarona have a non set up set?

[stone trellis]

There's the Fiery Dance/Struggle Bug/Rage Powder set, but I don't know how good that would be.

[stone trellis]

This man just has the ability to survive shit for no fucking reason.

[timber falcon]

forgot about struggle bug, might use this set

[next stump]

does anyone have the michael kelsch CIR/Mirai team OTS?

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/121b83d271e53758

[next stump]

thank you 🙂

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/8281e086d711566c done at least 15 battles

but only used bolt once... any ideas for a swap that could be better?

bolt was originally there for kyogre and tornadus MUs, but ive realised its not worth the slot

[stone trellis]

I hate this device so much.

[jade dust]

Someone tagged me?

[stone trellis]

I did accidentally.

[timber falcon]

So civilised

Always using a period

[misty helm]

Is making defensive stats equal bad for bulky attackers

[timber falcon]

Wym

A bulky attacker would normally be more focused into offensive stats if that’s what you mean

Unless it’s set up

[stone trellis]

My match with Shrekers was the second worst ass whooping I've taken.

Right behind that one guy with 1608 Elo who 4-0'd me with a double bike team.

Seriously, how is it even fair to pair up someone in the 1300s with someone in the 1600s?

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-look-stare-awkward-guilty-gif-5289290

[stone trellis]

That was you?

[solid frigate]

nop

[foggy lodge]

Who knows

I have an account in that range of elo

Do you remember the mons

[stone trellis]

Nah, not really.

And I didn't post the replay link in here, so I can't watch it.

[foggy lodge]

Guess we'll never know

[jade dust]

Wait we had a match?

[stone trellis]

Yeah.

[jade dust]

You had the caly miraidon too?

[stone trellis]

You had a Miraidon-CIR team with Iron Bundle and Iron Hands.

[jade dust]

Yee

[stone trellis]

And yes, I did.

[jade dust]

Ah gg

[stone trellis]

I was PaulGoodman777.

It's a shit nickname, but I can't be arsed to change it.

[jade dust]

I didn’t see the chat until was too late cuz I was playing in my phone lol

And you have to tap the chat button to see anything

I saw it until the match was already over

[wind sparrow]

is lunala buns cuz they have 2 4x weaknesses

[dense latch]

no

[wind sparrow]

what.

How?

[next stump]

amazing ability, ability to use terastalization to get rid of those weaknesses, and wide guard can block the most common move that can one shot you

[wind sparrow]

hole moleh your right, 1/2 damage on full hp

thats crazy

[solid frigate]

+The utility on this thing is massive

Wide guard TR TW you name it

while doing pretty solid damage

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/unironicpanda/status/1949492159876657480

justin tang (@unironicpanda)

Worlds in 3 weeks and my prep has just been me begging my friends for a team for the past month with no success

X · Jul 27, 2025, 3:28 PM

[solid frigate]

Team

[amber patrol]

Mega aggron with stamina

That would be silly

[timber falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[jade dust]

Bad typing doesn’t always make pokemons bad. Look at Tyranitar, dark/rock is one of the worst possible type combos

Yet it was top tier for decades

[stone trellis]

Or Landorus.

[solid frigate]

or Shadow rider

[stone trellis]

Or Ice Rider.

And yes, Ice-Psychic is shit defensively.

[solid frigate]

ok that typing is good despite 4x weak to ice

[stone trellis]

There's also Garchomp and Salamence.

[solid frigate]

like its not bad

[stone trellis]

And Sneasler.

And Kingambit.

And Chien-Pao.

Typing is only a small aspect of a Pokemon. If the Pokemon itself is inherently good enough, there are very few ways in which the typing can inhibit it.

[next stump]

https://x.com/gaminggen/status/1949547466485055679?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

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More info

X · Jul 27, 2025, 7:08 PM

[stone trellis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410365623-01a0k506kwo20weu1aha066ex17519dpw

https://tenor.com/view/smile-smirk-try-not-to-laugh-gif-20026966

[foggy lodge]

Bo1 will always be crazy for me because how are people who lead Whimsicott against CIR in 1500

[stone trellis]

Whimsicott player: "He has to click TR this turn, let's click Taunt into the most obvious Glacial ever"

[wind sparrow]

Whimsicott looks puntable

I would pummel it

[solid frigate]

i'm not making a joke about pittsburgh's weather

[solid frigate]

nooooooooooooo i love whims

[stone trellis]

As do I.

The Zamazenta when I click Tickle with Whimsicott (the ogre's restraints have been cut loose):

[chrome knot]

it is time for me to... waaatch

[wind sparrow]

There are no laws against the pokemon batman -Joker from some joke from 2020 I think

[bold geode]

Nah

[bold geode]

Plz don't bring up that joke in this server

[timber falcon]

Haven’t seen Tera grass in a while

[chrome knot]

ye?

[bold geode]

Nah you play stimky

[chrome knot]

i dont wanan

I wanna roadtrip w/ kathy and watch her win

I dont rly likey vgc rn

[bold geode]

Me sees

I hope you do eventually play again, though break time can be good

[chrome knot]

why tho

idk I much prefer team games and it showing alot

[bold geode]

Idk I think you can still do things, even if you don't
But I'm not gonna try to force you

[molten oasis]

Team games? Like rivals?

[mystic nexus]

Hello! Idk if this is the right place to ask but is it okay to ask for team building advice here?

[bold geode]

A break is good and also tbh
I can say come back all I want and not amount to nothing
If you ever wanna come back, you will be welcome

[bold geode]

Absolutely
Though first off, what format are we talking

[mystic nexus]

So I got a spectator badge for worlds and I want to play in the events for it, the rules say standard doubles format so I’m assuming regulation I

I made a team already but I don’t know if the EVs or Teras are “right”

[bold geode]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
That should be it yeah

[mystic nexus]

Can I send a picture of my team?

[bold geode]

A paste would be preferable
Have you ever used Showdown before?

[mystic nexus]

I have but minimally, also Ok! I can send a paste

Here it is: https://pokepast.es/fa708b37f2e508a3

Thank you for helping btw I appreciate it!

[molten oasis]

Pretty standard

Not sure about lefties Lunala tho

[mystic nexus]

How come? What would u suggest as a better item?

[next stump]

do we know what side events will be at Worlds?

[molten oasis]

Power herb meteor beam is fun, cloak is something a pro player used

[bold geode]

Here Dillon though idk if that means Reg I or

[bold geode]

Look at the team Drago LMAO

[molten oasis]

I did!

[next stump]

oh I see, yeah I’m not sure. can you link where you’re finding info about the side events @mystic nexus ?

[molten oasis]

Oh the cloaks on bonnet oops

[bold geode]

No no
It's the 6 Wolfe used

[mystic nexus]

Yeah it was on the main page hold on!

[foggy lodge]

Okay something important Pokealex found

[molten oasis]

Is this Wolfey in disguise?

[foggy lodge]

The Ursaluna from the italian gang is not max atk

[mystic nexus]

Wait Wolfe used this team???? I thought he used perish trap

[foggy lodge]

It has physical bulk

[bold geode]

He used those 6 at NAIC

[molten oasis]

Yeah

[bold geode]

You're thinking of Toronto and EUIC

[molten oasis]

He ran cloak Lunala tho right?

[bold geode]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

He used pollen puff bonnet too lol

[bold geode]

I mean idt Lefties is absolutely horrible

[foggy lodge]

Ig it was to heal Lunala but idk dude

[mystic nexus]

Here u go! https://registration.pokemon.com/flow/pokemon/2025worlds/landing/page/042activitieswave1

[molten oasis]

Meh

Uh, spooky plate?

[foggy lodge]

I still don't see the vision of cloak Lunala

[mystic nexus]

I made the team trying to just use my favorite legendaries aka Koraidon and Lunala, funny enough I am watching Wolfe rn lol

[bold geode]

Lol yeah no you almost made his exact NAIC team

Hol up

[foggy lodge]

Goated team

Sadly his EUIC video will come around the time of worlds

[mystic nexus]

Sad ☹️

[foggy lodge]

Is this a sign

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[foggy lodge]

An editor of his channel said that they started doing the Toronto video the same day he won EUIC lmao

[mystic nexus]

I can’t believe I just accidentally copied Wolfe tho, maybe watching his videos rubbed off on me too much lol

[foggy lodge]

Its a good team

[foggy lodge]

But I think that finding the right set for Lunala is hard

[bold geode]

Think it's actually coming after

[foggy lodge]

Giovanni Cishke has been using the same duo the whole reg and does fine

[mystic nexus]

Jesus u weren’t lying my team is almost identical besides the item choices on Brute and Lunala

Oh and Flutter has taunt I realized

[bold geode]

Gio is the one man going into Worlds that I trust using Korai Lunala

[foggy lodge]

Korainala is a facade for Wolfey

I still think that Wolfey is not bringing that

[bold geode]

Anyways team ain't bad, and the EVs and teras actually aren't too bad besides Bonnet which wants like Fire or Water tera

[foggy lodge]

And Bonnet doesn't need protect

[mystic nexus]

If I just copy the rest of Wolfe’s NAIC team and transplant the EVs I choose onto it do u think it’d be fine?

[foggy lodge]

I think seed bomb is broken on Bonnet

Its a nuke on Kyogre

[bold geode]

Probably

[mystic nexus]

I’ll drop pollen puff then for it since I did want a counter for Kyogre thank you

[gentle crag]

erikh745 has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[bold geode]

Though yeah I'd test Seed Bomb
Hell idk why Pollen Puff is there

[foggy lodge]

Heal Lunala

And that's it

[mystic nexus]

You read my mind lmao 😅 but thank you for the help as well Dollarmonke!

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1753656718:R>.

[bold geode]

Sure thing

[foggy lodge]

I did consider puff for my Korai Mirai team lol

But I didn't want to have only sucker as my attacking move

Because you are never clicking puff for damage

[next stump]

thanks for linking 🙂 I might be blind but where does it talk about side events that you can battle VGC in? I'm mostly wondering because my friends who are coming will want to play if they can

[gentle crag]

mlbd has given 1 Gen Rep to erikh745

[bold geode]

I was tryna find that myself

[next stump]

I don't think there were battling side events last year, but I don't remmeber

[mystic nexus]

Ah sorry found it here specifically https://registration.pokemon.com/flow/pokemon/2025worlds/landing/page/043sideeventswave2

[next stump]

Oh beautiful, thank you 😄 That will be super fun

[mystic nexus]

Oh it’s updated to say the format is Reg I for vgc! Neat

[mystic nexus]

Yeah! It’ll be my first time playing vgc with others so I’m nervous honestly

I come from a TCG background and only did a bit of causal online vgc during reg c

[next stump]

You'll have a blast, side events are a great way to get your feet wet without too much pressure. You're only really playing for some prize wall plushies/pokemon packs

And hopefully all the good players are off playing Worlds hahaa

[mystic nexus]

Yeah hopefully haha

I’ll probably practice a bit beforehand tho

[bold geode]

Me when I sit down at the World's side event and Shilliang sits across from me

[oblique crystal]

where can I find good teams i am new

[bold geode]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
Is the team thing in our pins hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by dollarmonke. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[bold geode]

The VGC pastes link has teams (fuck me the text wall)

Reminds me, I am writing script for a blog but after that I am DEFINITELY tidying that up

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/959acde761cbf5c7 in need of advice here, the team was going well at first but ive been struggling with hyper offence

volcarona having 2 moves both weak to fire hasnt helped, raging bolt is an island mon, and i feel like im lacking in the tempo department...

[bold geode]

Groudon Pagos is definitely a choice

[timber falcon]

smth i always wanted to work with, have 2 nice alternatives

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/_KastyTP_/status/1949563427787272388

Guillermo Kasty (@_KastyTP_)

Finalista (again) en el Rise of Élite de @Madverse_es. Muy contento de volver a competir tras un año parado, y contra jugadores de tan alto nivel. Enhorabuena a @riopaser por la victoria!

Aquí tenéis el rental que he estado jugando. Pollo Frito patrocinado por @KFC_ES

X · Jul 27, 2025, 8:11 PM

@bold geode congrats

[mystic nexus]

Hey Dollarmonke? I wanted to ask ur thoughts on what if I evened out the defense stats of Lunala and Brute? While I was editing my team in showdown I realized they’re defense stat was way higher then their special defense stat so I decided to equalize them some more. Do u think that’s a good idea?

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/konqVGC/status/1949514763836207436

Kian (@konqVGC)

everyday i thank Big Pikachu that i didn’t make worlds cause man this format is something

X · Jul 27, 2025, 4:58 PM

Lmao

[bold geode]

I would try to make sure I could live some big hits from things that threaten damage into those specific mons
You don't always have to even stuff out
Also on Brute Bonnet you want the Def to be higher so you get the Def boost

[mystic nexus]

I see, so should I keep the original EVs I had?

[foggy lodge]

On Lunala is fine

Tang's original team used matched defenses on its Lunala I think

But it was because it was electric seed so you like had to invest more in its physical defense

https://x.com/WeedleTwineedle/status/1949263716094271630

WeedleTwineedle (@WeedleTwineedle)

Double protect needs to be removed so bad, nothing tilts me more in Pokemon than losing to double protect especially against poorly played perish trap, I lowkey rather lose to freeze

X · Jul 27, 2025, 12:21 AM

[molten oasis]

lol

[dense latch]

i love when my opponent gets outplayed only for them to win on a double double protect

[mystic nexus]

Hmm alright I’ll just keep Brute’s defenses higher then and put Lunalas at even

[foggy lodge]

fr

I can handle most forms of rng since I understood that in the end pokemon is a game about luck

[brave hazel]

Can someone please explain to me how someone’s hitmonlee moved 3 times 1st before my rillas grassy slide ?

Fake out yeah sure. But I don’t understand apart from that

[foggy lodge]

But double protect is still outrageous

[foggy lodge]

What move were they using

[brave hazel]

1st move was fake out
Then endure
Then reversal
& a move where the hand comes up & palms you

[foggy lodge]

The last one is a prio move

[brave hazel]

4 moves actually before my grassy slide, because the hand move made my Pokémon flinch

[foggy lodge]

Its +3 priority

[brave hazel]

What about the reversal ?

[tiny karma]

Move: Reversal

The power of this move is 20 if X is 33 to 48, 40 if X is 17 to 32, 80 if X is 10 to 16, 100 if X is 5 to 9, 150 if X is 2 to 4, and 200 if X is 0 or 1, where X is equal to (user's current HP * 48 / user's maximum HP), rounded down.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[brave hazel]

grassy slide should of went before that, grass terrain was still up

@foggy lodge but it’s not a priority right ?

[dense latch]

oh upper hand

[brave hazel]

ain’t no way my rilla just clapped at full health against a 20 hp hitmonlee when I was spam pressing grassy slide for quick clean up

[dense latch]

that’s my guess at least

[brave hazel]

Yeah that’s the one

[tiny karma]

Move: Upper Hand

Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails if the target did not select a priority move for use this turn, or if the target moves before the user.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[brave hazel]

Okay that’s fair, but what about the reversal ?

reversal isn’t a priority

[dense latch]

yea if grassy terrain was still up idk why reversal would go first

[brave hazel]

I got rigged fr

Was the last 1v1 to, match set

I’m so confused.

[foggy lodge]

Idk either

Reversal should never go before grassy glide

Unless it was quick claw Hitmonlee

[tiny karma]

Move: Reversal

The power of this move is 20 if X is 33 to 48, 40 if X is 17 to 32, 80 if X is 10 to 16, 100 if X is 5 to 9, 150 if X is 2 to 4, and 200 if X is 0 or 1, where X is equal to (user's current HP * 48 / user's maximum HP), rounded down.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 812: Rillaboom

Type

Grass

Abilities

Overgrow, Grassy Surge (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/125/90/60/70/85

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

Was terrain down?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 106: Hitmonlee

Type

Fighting

Abilities

Limber, Reckless, Unburden (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

50/120/53/35/110/87

Total

455

Sableye version 4.28.2

[brave hazel]

It went like this

Fake out
Endure
Upperhand
Reversal

& a berry that raised its attack stat

Each move went before grassy slide with grass terrain

[foggy lodge]

The person using that set is actually a psychopath

No real attacking move hitmonlee lol

[dense latch]

you must have missed terrain going down because the game doesn’t just bug like that

[brave hazel]

Nah bro, I swapped in on it, grass went up instantly

[dense latch]

i think i’ve seen a video showcasing it as this like “UNBEATABLE STRATEGY 😱”

[tiny karma]

Move: Upper Hand

Has a 100% chance to make the target flinch. Fails if the target did not select a priority move for use this turn, or if the target moves before the user.

Type

Fighting

Category

Physical

Power

65

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Priority

3

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[foggy lodge]

Every strategy is unbeatable in the depths of pokeball tier battle stadium

I hate those videos so much🥀

[tiny karma]

Move: Grassy Glide

If the current terrain is Grassy Terrain and the user is grounded, this move has its priority increased by 1.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

55

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[foggy lodge]

Also all the showdown "SALTY LEGENDARY SPAMMER RAGE QUIT"

[dense latch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/l1M8JpNZx_k?si=oDBeGdKq-w1AgDsz 💔

[bold geode]

Last night I almost got swept in a set cuz their Ogerpon damn near got a quad Spiky Shield to stall out and make my Zam knock itself out

[foggy lodge]

3.3m views🥀

[dense latch]

rilla wasn’t terastalized right?

[brave hazel]

Nah it wasn’t

[bold geode]

👍

[foggy lodge]

How can someone get so many views from being unfunny and bad at Pokémon

[bold geode]

I'd say yay but ew Kasty

[foggy lodge]

Deserved

[bold geode]

Still
Nice Ho Oh did something

[dense latch]

what did kasty do i wasnt playing vgc when he got banned

[bold geode]

Honestly wtf does Ho Oh do into a decorated Booster Bolt

[wind sparrow]

Dude pokemon are so funny they make want to merge without looking

[foggy lodge]

I think he was banned by a judge for "violent behaviour" for supposedly punching a metal thing

Tho it was super messy and Kasty was appealing to it I think

So its a whole theme

But I still don't respect him lol

[brave hazel]

Jolly scarfed drill is so slow man, outspeed by a flygon with just 1 dragon dance

Useless

[dense latch]

every time i see a tweet of his he's always mentioning how he's banned

kinda annoying like we get it

[foggy lodge]

I think he also like always engages with Verlis

[bold geode]

This is why me no likey

[foggy lodge]

Super ironical when he is friends with Pokealex and Riopaser and both also got a whole video made by Verlis of "LOOK AT THIS CHEATERS"

[brave hazel]

& now meowscarda protein using U-turn just outspeed grassy slide on grass terrain

Is my rilla nerfed

[dense latch]

i’ve read this like five times i still dont get what’s trying to be said here

[red willow]

Does anyone else just absolutely despise Smeargle? Lol

[foggy lodge]

Nah that should be like impossible

[dense latch]

who doesn’t

[foggy lodge]

Everyone

[wind sparrow]

its a family guy refrence

[foggy lodge]

Fuck that mon

[brave hazel]

But it legit just happened

[foggy lodge]

The fact that you can lead CSR Smeargle and beat almost everything in this format

[dense latch]

ohh the madagascar clip

[red willow]

They should make a move that cant be sashd

[wind sparrow]

add a jack daniels and you having a good time

[foggy lodge]

How did Smeargle get so buffed from reg G -> reg I

Lile yeah it was broken before but Idk what happened that is absolutely terrorizing VGC again

[red willow]

I assume the utility of sporing up to 2 high priority restricteds is nutty as hell is one of the reasons

[dense latch]

decorate smeargle was a mistake

[brave hazel]

Even chat gpt says meowscarda does not move before grassy slide with terrain 😭😭 my pokemon is bugged

[dense latch]

smeargle creates so many 50/50s already

[foggy lodge]

There's a reason why decorate was only learned by Alcremie

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

This is the problem

Atleast Miraidon can reduce those 50s

[dense latch]

is it gonna fkn fake out or follow me or spore now it can decorate too

[foggy lodge]

Anything that is inmune to spore really does

But is still so annoying

[wind sparrow]

Here let me help you. Ability: Item Breaker, Opposing pokemons items that help them in a direct way are disabled

[bold geode]

I wouldn't be surprised if that fucker just pulled a video of me up one day and said CHEATER

[dense latch]

or the random moody speed boost now it can deocrate csr before it moves

[foggy lodge]

And now Smeargles run wide guard too

Its so sad that it can learn every move in the game and still only runs the same 5 always

[bold geode]

He's a bitch that sucks at mons and chooses to whine cheater instead of actually getting better at the damn game

[bold geode]

Don't remind me, that fucked me bro

[dense latch]

never forget heavy slam wailord

[dense latch]

had this lose me a game yesterday

smeargle being a thing just doesn’t want to make me play bo1

[bold geode]

You want a way to make your Smeargle MUs better?

[dense latch]

but then bo3 just means there’s 3 games where smeargle can get that speed boost

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-revenge-kitikami-gif-12243515870181973761

Boom there ya go

Just made your MU like 5x easier

[wind sparrow]

Lol

[dense latch]

cloak grasspon was goated that one week i tried it

[foggy lodge]

Taunt booster Flutter is super good into Smeargle

We need more moves that hit twice

[dense latch]

i think i’m just done with reg i

[bold geode]

Nah just Ogerpon claps Smeargle

[foggy lodge]

Iron Crown:

[bold geode]

Cuz it can't freely click Spore or Decorate

[foggy lodge]

It also beated tf out of rockpon lol

[bold geode]

Huh

[foggy lodge]

Most are tbh

This period is boring

Its the worst moment for VGC

No big tournaments left, the new innovations are basically gatekeeped by the greatest players because they keep them for worlds so there's no innovation in the meta, and we are just stuck until worlds with a mid format

Also erik did you watch the invitational from santiago

Because its full of Miraidon Lunala lmao

[dense latch]

i didn’t

where can i watch it?

[foggy lodge]

I sent it to the dm group

[dense latch]

bet thanks

[bold geode]

Excuse me bitch you have a DM group?

[foggy lodge]

Sometimes I forget that Iron Bundle resists ice X4

[foggy lodge]

Yes but its in spanish :v

[bold geode]

Me habla enchilada

Is that good enough to get in

[foggy lodge]

Speak in chilean

[bold geode]

Hi, welcome to Chili's

How's that

[foggy lodge]

Bad get fucked nerd

[brave hazel]

Casual battles so funny.

I had Skarmory vs blaziken. It sword danced & speed boosted while I set up stealth rocks.

I wanted to get rid of its status moves so I used roar. But it baton passed into a dragonite & the rocks took its multiscale away, then it got roared after the switch in & he rage quit

[bold geode]

"Fuck this guy's good"

[bold geode]

Aight well speak American then bitch

Or you're kicked out of my group

[foggy lodge]

What group

[dense latch]

idk how to speak chilean ):

[foggy lodge]

Isn't it Morris's group

[bold geode]

Uhh
The America group got em

Now speak American

[foggy lodge]

We are all going to be forces to speak chinese🥀🥀🥀

[bold geode]

Just say "triple Dipper" and you'll be fine

[brave hazel]

Wish you could still use primal groudon

[dense latch]

mcdonalds yards inches what is a kilometer

[bold geode]

Damn this guy is valid

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2410502700-o217qd7968hsxotcxqem8cl65imrcdqpw skillful gameplay

[limpid valley]

Can somebody please help me fix my team? It’s horrible in battle

[next stump]

oh shit one of my pokémon besties was born in Chile

he moved to America as a teenager though

but we are thinking of going to a LATAM event together

[left bobcat]

POTATOES, CHEESE, BEANS, AND HOT TUNA 🥀🥀🥀🥀

[next stump]

VGC?

[limpid valley]

Yeah

[left bobcat]

SCHYEAHHH

[next stump]

biggest thing is that your team has no restricted legendary pokemon when the current ruleset allows for using 2

[limpid valley]

Yeah you’re totally right, but I’m trying to do a no legend team. Also, my iron hands feels utterly useless currently

[left bobcat]

Just horse 🐴

and lizard

[next stump]

Unfortunately it’s pretty much impossible to give good advice if you’re not wanting to use restricteds. I get it, but your best bet would probably be looking at Regulation H teams for some inspiration since Restricteds were banned for that

You’re capping yourself at probably 20-30% winrate without them

[limpid valley]

Oh ok, well any recamendations on which restricted mons I should use? Note that I don’t have tailwind

[left bobcat]

Horse

[dense latch]

lunala miraidon maybe

[left bobcat]

Maybe ice rider

[dense latch]

goes well with ursaluna

[limpid valley]

Alrighty

[left bobcat]

[limpid valley]

Which one?

[left bobcat]

Hmmmmmmm regular?

[dense latch]

the one in your team

[limpid valley]

No I mean which legend goes good with Luna

[dense latch]

.

[left bobcat]

Miraidon/koraidon

[rustic mountain]

which luna we talkin

[left bobcat]

but I’m starting to see more miraidon because of electric seed Lunala

[lost sun]

lunala

[dense latch]

unless you’re fine with deviating from the team you sent

there’s pretty wide options for restricted duos in general

[rustic mountain]

some1 mentioned ursaluna, id make sure they arent abbreviating luna for that

[lost sun]

think they meant Ursa actually

[rustic mountain]

yea thats why i was trynna clarify

[limpid valley]

Yeah I meant ursaluna

[lost sun]

usually lunala or calyrex ice

[limpid valley]

So to recap, which mons would I replace for my restricted?

[rustic mountain]

yea cir or lunala would work

[left bobcat]

Wait so what restricteds goes well with ursaluna?

Damn I got hit with confuse ray now I’m CONFUSED

[lost sun]

if u want to keep the other mons I'd swap torkoal for koraidon and lunala for kommo I

[rustic mountain]

ursa kinda meh rn but id say either of those are solid to pair w/ it. whether its cir/mirai or mirai/lunala

atleast give urself a good restricted duo

[lost sun]

miraidon would also work instead of koraidon

[dense latch]

korai lunala kinda mid

[rustic mountain]

yea

just use csr/korai at that point

[lost sun]

I used it early on did well with it

[rustic mountain]

it was better early on

[lost sun]

ye not seen it much now

[dense latch]

bc it was good early on

we are no longer early on

[rustic mountain]

its done ok at irl tours

[lost sun]

now it's just csr Zama mirai or cir

[rustic mountain]

just not that consistent or top placing outside a few players

[left bobcat]

Seen less bloodmoon than regular

Or maybe I’m not digging deep enough

[rustic mountain]

ursa had fallen off wen i was still playing reg i lol

[molten oasis]

What we cooking

[left bobcat]

Damn who else told me they fell off?

Ah yes farig

[lost sun]

hands fell off aswell

[left bobcat]

No wayyyyyyyyy really?

[rustic mountain]

yea its around just not like it was

[dense latch]

i think ursa is only rly good on the fede campo core

[lost sun]

looks like hands won't get a 3/3 worlds

[rustic mountain]

yea

i agree

[lost sun]

what's that

[rustic mountain]

the one he won with

[dense latch]

naic winning team

[lost sun]

I don't check this type of stuff tbh

[left bobcat]

I’m starting to understand raging bolt

Raging bolt is a DEMON

[rustic mountain]

yea bolt is strong

id say we are at a point its not gna have the impact it did in like reg f

[dense latch]

when i started sv vgc i didnt get bolt either lol

[left bobcat]

If you get the sun and electric terrain on with Tera electric with a life orb

[rustic mountain]

what did u guys not get about bolt?

a stat stick w/ good typing and prio

[ocean pawn]

i should get bolt but i need to do the needed steps to even get to be able to catch it

[left bobcat]

It’s like when I was trying sun boosted, +1 attack Tera fire ivy cudgel

Even resisted isn’t enough

[dense latch]

it was just new to me at the time

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

[dense latch]

when i started to understand how strong its staying power was is where i started to get it

thunderclap good

[rustic mountain]

funny how split the dlc paradoxes were, boulder and leaves mid, crown niche generally but had some good showings and then u got bolt which is like a staple now

[left bobcat]

What ever happened to fire?

Still sad that wake is still flopping

But can’t say I’m surprised

[rustic mountain]

oh right wake

yea fire had like 2 seconds of shine in reg f? nd that was kinda it

[foggy lodge]

The Kingambit teams

[rustic mountain]

id prolly rank em like
bolt
wake
crown
fire
leaves
boulder

i think leaves had a high placing on in game ladder for bo1, idk wat boulder had

[shadow wind]

Crown over fire hurts me 😔

[dense latch]

boulder just ass

[rustic mountain]

more consistency across formats

fire was good for 1

[foggy lodge]

Iron Leaves got rank 1 in july past year on cart ladder

It had a good team with Miraidon

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

I think leaves is still a meh Mon

[rustic mountain]

leaves is mid for sure

[dense latch]

i remember leaves was on the worlds stream

[foggy lodge]

Lorcy used it

[rustic mountain]

but that #1 rank saves it from being last on the dlc paradox ranking

[foggy lodge]

Leaves had a niche atleast

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

Boulder has nothing

It almost won a VR

That's all it got

[molten oasis]

Wait were ranking paradox?

Oh did y’all rank the paradox

[foggy lodge]

1. scream tail

[dense latch]

the legendary ones at least

[foggy lodge]

Crown was pretty good in reg G atleast

It was like the perfect meta call

[shadow wind]

I think Gouging Fire is my favourite paradox

[foggy lodge]

Mine is Scream Tail!!!

[shadow wind]

I miss Reg G when Groudon Gouging was workable

Maybe I bring it back for a round 2

[rustic mountain]

i ranked the dlc ones

[jade dust]

What an interesting team

[dense latch]

i should stop splitting my games into a million alts
i take back everything i've said about this format miraidon my goat

[jade dust]

Komo sucks

[foggy lodge]

Chinese sun is my roman empire

Conner let's make a tiktok edit with emotional music about chinese sun

[jade dust]

Iron hands is very good as well but you don’t have a proper team where he can thrive

[foggy lodge]

With that radiohead song

[molten oasis]

Ah

[dense latch]

those 2 weeks or so where chinese sun was viable were sick

[foggy lodge]

I never learned to play it lmao

But it was cool

[dense latch]

it looked fun

[foggy lodge]

It was very linear and HO to my liking

But it was a good team just not my style

I used Groudon Jumpluf balance

[rustic mountain]

feel that

[shadow wind]

Chinese Sun was so hard to play

[foggy lodge]

I remember it had a lot of moves that miss

And I stressed about it lol

[brave hazel]

Kommo-o using clangorous soul with

Boomburst
Aura sphere
Clanging scales

& activating throat spray with clangorous soul is so OP, I wanna try it online but I feel like it will get 1 shot right after a soul

[shadow wind]

It’s gonna get one shot before the soul even goes off