The only reason I could was that on the second-to-last turn of the game, their Scarf Miraidon went for Power Gem onto the Volcarona slot, leaving my CIR completely free to fire off a Glacial Lance that picked up the KO on Miraidon before it also got KO'd by their CIR.
#competitive_discussion
stone trellis
After that, it was Giga Drain Volcarona against a Tera Water CIR with 36% health remaining.
You can tell how that went.
shadow wind
Miraidon with power gem?
stone trellis
Yeah, it's a bold choice.
shadow wind
I have never seen that
stone trellis
Also, I just realised that my Groudon is bulky enough to live a single target Glacial Lance.
This team bro 😭
They are literally allergic to dying.
shadow wind
I don’t think Groudon needs that much defense
strange fjord
What if Don got Body Press tho?
shadow wind
He does get it
strange fjord
what does he?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
strange fjord
hot damn
shadow wind
I would know
strange fjord
its probably not relevant but interesting to know
shadow wind
I see this guys moves every single time I go into the team builder
stone trellis
Also, I really need to replace Raging Bolt.
But I don't know what can take its place.
shadow wind
Miraidon !
stone trellis
Can't have three restricteds.
shadow wind
Not trying hard enough then
stone trellis
?
shadow wind
Just jam them in there trust it’ll work
stone trellis
I'm being serious.
I cannot replace Groudon on this team.
I need the sun to turn Fiery Dance into a delete button.
I need to gamble on P-Blades hitting both targets (which it did in the last match).
shadow wind
Why do you need to replace bolt?
stone trellis
Why do you need to replace bolt?
It never does anything on this team.
strange fjord
No one would notice a 3 restricted if it hides behind the other two
shadow wind
No one would notice a 3 restricted if it hides behind the other two
Hide it behind a Tinkaton
strange fjord
whats the team?
stone trellis
whats the team?
Can I post it in DMs since I don't have its pokepaste link?
strange fjord
Just jam them in there trust it’ll work
reminds me of this post https://x.com/nicholasrubingh/status/1799081863631561024?t=sR8h9UWTuvk8rc_LQrNwog&s=19
X
shadow wind
reminds me of this post https://x.com/nicholasrubingh/status/1799081863631561024...
My kinda team
shadow wind
What’s better than one?
stone trellis
What’s better than one?
None.
strange fjord
Can I post it in DMs since I don't have its pokepaste link?
how else would anyone else pitch ideas if you dm. you got time to make a Pokepaste, truust
shadow wind
Thank god that cheater got disqualified
strange fjord
2 Sitrus berries
2 assault vests are fine tho
stone trellis
how else would anyone else pitch ideas if you dm. you got time to make a Pokepas...
Alright.
shadow wind
2 assault vests are fine tho
Well yeah I be running that
I actually give my Groudon 3 AVs incase he gets cold
stone trellis
I actually give my Groudon 3 AVs incase he gets cold
The cold and unnerving horse:
stone trellis
Yeah, you're right.
shadow wind
Sometimes I forget that walking wake is him
stone trellis
@strange fjord Here's the Pokepaste.
https://pokepast.es/5a34f389ff07c0d0
stone trellis
Sometimes I forget that walking wake is him
Should I use it in place of Bolt?
shadow wind
No clue
stone trellis
It's still a special attacking Dragon type that loves the sun, but it also loves the rain.
shadow wind
I’m using him right now to deal with Rillaboom + Incin so maybe?
stone trellis
Oh, fuck.
stone trellis
Fire.
strange fjord
Walking Wake is great but dont forget that its Sp Attack stat isnt game breaking. Dont expect too many OHKOs on Neutral hits
stone trellis
I don't know, man.
shadow wind
That’s why we have helping hand Farig
stone trellis
I feel like Bolt is only there to counter Kyogre.
shadow wind
Just for the those weird moments when I want to OHKO anything
stone trellis
I feel like Bolt is only there to counter Kyogre.
Like, if it's facing down CIR and Bolt and it has the option to tera, it needs to call the shot.
Does it want to die to a Thunderbolt or a Glacial Lance?
strange fjord
why are you replacing bolt again?
stone trellis
It does nothing.
I might just be using it wrong, but I literally never need to bring it to any matches.
strange fjord
even against Kyogre teams?
stone trellis
I haven't fought a single Kyogre team so far.
strange fjord
what are some match ups you are struggling/not doinb very well against?
the raging bolt slot could be a pokemon that can help
stone trellis
It should be rain teams, but I haven't encountered a single one yet.
Every other matchup is winnable if I just ditch that stupid mindset of making a bad play and only realising how bad it was milliseconds after I've already made the choice.
solid frigate
reminds me of this post https://x.com/nicholasrubingh/status/1799081863631561024...
bro wtf lmao
strange fjord
Every other matchup is winnable if I just ditch that stupid mindset of making a ...
so you want to improve a team that has no problems and the only issue is the piloting of the player?
strange fjord
we're all bad. just some of us are less bad that others lol
stone trellis
So is Marco Silva bad?
Is Luca Ceribelli bad?
Is Wolfe Glick bad?
Yeah, they all have their dumb moments, but those are the exceptions, not the rule.
strange fjord
did wolfe win NAIC? did Marco win EUIC? They didnt all play perfectly, even top players cant win every game
stone trellis
Yeah, they all have their dumb moments, but those are the exceptions, not the ru...
^
WIth me, the dumb moments are the rule.
And I don't know how to change that.
shadow wind
My personal favourite method is ramming my head into the brick wall that is the showdown ladder
stone trellis
Guess I'll try that too.
strange fjord
And I don't know how to change that.
stone trellis
There it is, a Kyogre team.
strange fjord
a change in mindset can help
stone trellis
They have CSR, Kyogre, Bruxish, Talonflame, Shiftry and Grimm.
molten oasis
https://youtu.be/RsMlLWOeFCM?si=tD_-CpuusOAtP2As
stone trellis
They have CSR, Kyogre, Bruxish, Talonflame, Shiftry and Grimm.
Guess Bolt finally has his chance.
Pop off for me, giraffe.
I need this.
Does Bruxish run Band?
strange fjord
not sure, havent ever seen a bruxish
stone trellis
CIR is +2 and Groudon has +1 in both Attack and Defense.
They got CSR and Kyogre left.
CSR with Sub?
What the fuck is this?
TERA GROUND KYOGRE?
YES IT IS CIR FOOD
Fuck, I couldn't have predicted that.
Fuck me.
OH MY GOD WHY DID MY SWITCH HAVE TO CRASH NOW
I just faced a Solgaleo-Rayquaza team.
They had a Malamar in there too.
But the Malamar actually helped me.
They went for Trick Room and then Topsy-Turvy into my Volcarona who had just QD'd.
But it was Trick Room, so it was now outspeeding most people.
Their Ray wasn't even sashed.
solid frigate
Is Wolfe Glick bad?
dude Marco and Wolfe have years of Experience and Knowledge and Luca is a fast learner
you can't really compare yourself to the titans of VGC yet
the best thing to do is reflect yourself on how you play
learn from them,not comparing
stone trellis
Bolt finally popped off for the first time.
And it wasn't even against a Kyogre team.
This idiot thought it would be a good idea to switch Miraidon in while a Tera Electric Raging Bolt holding a Life Orb was free to go for Thunderclap into his Okidogi and Glacial Lance with Calyrex.
stone trellis
Do you drop out of Master Ball tier once the season is over or do you get to stay there?
stone trellis
I hate this, man.
I was facing a Koraidon-Scovillain team and Collision Course critted my CIR.
Literally the worst thing that could've happened.
solid frigate
Do you drop out of Master Ball tier once the season is over or do you get to sta...
you stay there
in the season
but drop to ultra ball or great ball once the season end
knotty mirage
Do you drop out of Master Ball tier once the season is over or do you get to sta...
You dropped to great ball tier but you only need like 1 win to get too ultra ball
solid frigate
You dropped to great ball tier but you only need like 1 win to get too ultra bal...
yeah its basically just drop to ultra ball cuz of that
stone trellis
Good to know.
knotty mirage
Just going to say this but it prolly for the best to push few days after the new season start because early season ussualy filled with sweaty master ball player
stone trellis
I finally got to use Iron Valiant to its fullest potential.
AKA just spamming Coaching until CIR got to +6 on Attack and Defense and was mauling everyone.
drifting epoch
Hey, im looking for cheesy strats, funny ideas and annoying pokemon to use in a private battle with some friends irl. If anyone here has some ideas or maybe even finished teams to send me id be super super grateful (no legendaries)
stone trellis
You are restricting your ability to perform massively by not using them.
Unless you're playing singles or something.
glad burrow
Heya yall. Im doing story on 2 lechonk. Can someone give me a good moveset for one?
solid frigate
Unless you're playing singles or something.
there is BSS,which is still double res
stone trellis
I know.
glad burrow
Heya yall. Im doing story on 2 lechonk. Can someone give me a good moveset for o...
Yall the experts here
stone trellis
Experts on good Pokemon, yeah.
solid frigate
if its for story you can do whatever you want honestly
glad burrow
<#947950608252543006>
I like to ask here cuz people know everything moves n ivs. Im doing a pig only playthrough and I'm afraid of the fighting team star base and the elite four fighting
solid frigate
Experts on good Pokemon, yeah.
also calling all of us Experts in this chat is an Overstatement
stone trellis
Yeah, fair point.
glad burrow
Im sadly too dumb for vgc. I have autism and a slow reaction. I never ever used abilities like trick room etc. So don't think il ever be good at online battles. Just started scarlet fresh for the 5th time. Never really finished it
Thought yall can help for a good moveset
solid frigate
usually story movesets and VGC do not correlate at the slightest,also can you just overleveling it or stuff to make it bareable?
glad burrow
Il try to nutzlocke it a lil. Like only using 2 lechonk. No items in battle. Nicknames and no overleveled gyms
solid frigate
like IVs can't change until level 50
the only think you can do is STAB+Coverage+Setup+whatever you have
glad burrow
Yall still da experts here. I like to chat with you guys sometimes.
I do have a vgc question. I seen there's a ranking. How does this work,?
waxen dock
Im sadly too dumb for vgc. I have autism and a slow reaction. I never ever used ...
just use rentals
waxen dock
I do have a vgc question. I seen there's a ranking. How does this work,?
showdon ladder or in game ranks?
glad burrow
In game ranking it looked like it.
solid frigate
those are for VGC regulations
stone trellis
I've faced the same player on ladder thrice today.
This Chikuwa guy always gets his ass blasted.
How can you keep changing your team and still get 3-0'd by a guy who hasn't changed it once?
He is literally using OU stall tactics and he's still losing!
rare pumice
I think I might just not enjoy/do well in restricted formats
next stump
Nothing wrong with that 😄 Restricted formats tend to have the lowest level of engagement by players
In 3 weeks we should hopefully have some news about VGC next year, and if not then in 4 weeks we will have the new format announcement
rare pumice
would a screens set be possible with shadow rider? I just looked at its bulk and it's honestly not as low as I expected, it mostly seems like its typing that's a problem for it defensively
stone trellis
I think I might just not enjoy/do well in restricted formats
It's fine.
lunar snow
next stump
screens shadow rider is definitely possible, you'd probably want to run another redirection user to help support calm mind/nasty plot
stone trellis
Indeedee and Grimmsnarl could work.
rare pumice
i'm guessing clefairy is the redirector in those teams
next stump
Yes, or Volcarona
rare pumice
o my god I never even thought of Volcarona
stone trellis
Why is every Australian that has placed well at an event Greek 😭
next stump
o my god I never even thought of Volcarona
great pokemon into stuff like Zamazenta and even Urshifu if you are willing to tera
rare pumice
I do like flame body alot, and I think psychic terrain would mess up my fourth move slot for Grimmsnarl
stone trellis
great pokemon into stuff like Zamazenta and even Urshifu if you are willing to t...
Giga Drain AND Rage Powder on the same guy? Damn.
stone trellis
I do like flame body alot, and I think psychic terrain would mess up my fourth m...
Then use Fake Out.
rare pumice
I was more thinking thunder wave to help against scarfed pokemon like koraidon or kyogre if that were ever a problem but idk how often that would be, and it'd still be helpless against miraidon
stone trellis
Spirit Break breaks Miraidon, what are you on?
next stump
Spirit Break/Double Screens/Thunder Wave is the classic Grimmsnarl moveset
cannot go wrong there
stone trellis
And Koraidon never runs Scarf.
stone trellis
It won't help.
next stump
On a team with CSR, I don't think it's super needed personally
especially if you're also gonna run something like Incin or Ho-Oh
stone trellis
On a team with CSR, I don't think it's super needed personally
Yeah, especially if you pair it with something like Tera Water Kyogre.
rare pumice
I love that struggle bug is a viable move on something in a double restricted format
pastel bronze
Thank you
rare pumice
life orb isn't used to make sure water spout is as much damage as possible for as long as possible right?
stone trellis
Yeah.
Kyogre is also just a bulky restricted that likes to keep its HP in the green anyway.
rare pumice
in a team with screens and redirection support would Terapagos be a good second restricted? I think the option to turn off any disruptive fields or weathers would be valuable given how much they could potentially mess me up
next stump
https://pokepast.es/44f318119f3327fc
This team placed very well
next stump
yes it does
rare pumice
alright I think I'm sold on Volcarona
bold geode
How we doin chat
bold geode
alright I think I'm sold on Volcarona
Volcarona is very solid
rare pumice
I'm trying to make one team for shadow rider and one team for ice rider
bold geode
You know you can't have both forms at the same time right
rare pumice
indeed
I'm just trying to make seperate teams for each ones needs and everything probably for some reason
bold geode
Alright
Just letting you know too cuz both can have different optimizations
All those optimizations come with IVs
rare pumice
do grass types ignore rage powder?
next stump
yes
rare pumice
that makes sense now
waxen dock
I love that struggle bug is a viable move on something in a double restricted fo...
Its like snarl
stone trellis
Except it's perfectly accurate.
dense latch
I love that struggle bug is a viable move on something in a double restricted fo...
it is
struggle bug on either support or qd volc is really good
strange fjord
yippe, did master ball run last minute from beginner rank 1 (i didnt play on ranked on console for months)
dense latch
My Volcarona is so great, man.
can your volc give mine some lessons
stone trellis
Yeah, the lessons are:
- You can survive a Glacial Lance if you're Bold
- Fiery Dance KOs CIR the moment it drops below 50%
- Always try to put it next to a sun setter if you're facing Urshifu
stone trellis
Just get lucky then.
dense latch
i'm trying i really am lmao
stone trellis
Be a gambler.
98% of Volcarona players quit right before Urshifu gets burnt.
Be that 2%.
shadow wind
no i just mean my volc just won't burn shit
Realest thing I’ve heard all day
Why I dropped Volc 😔
stone trellis
You play Groudon and you chose to drop the Pokemon that is the best at gambling?
Pathetic.
stone trellis
Still, gambling is at the heart of Groudon teams.
shadow wind
Yeah but that’s the side effect
I have no other reason to use him other than “I like him”
stone trellis
My reason is that I hate using glass cannons as my restricteds.
stone trellis
Me when 100 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 232 HP / 12 SpD Assault Vest Groudon: 78-94 (38.2 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO:
Me when 180+ SpA Lunala Moongeist Beam vs. 232 HP / 12 SpD Assault Vest Groudon: 67-79 (32.8 - 38.7%) -- 99.2% chance to 3HKO:
stone trellis
252+ SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 232 HP / 12 SpD Assault Vest Groudon: 94-110 (46 - 53.9%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO
shadow wind
There ya go
stone trellis
And then Crunch makes CSR see the light of Heaven.
shadow wind
“Stylish”
Is it stylish when they tera fairy and you do 8x less damage than projected?
stone trellis
In the situation where neither can Tera, it's just more funny.
There, does that sound better?
shadow wind
Yes
shadow wind
On AV Groudon I’m still not sure what the best 4th move is
stone trellis
Crunch.
It's like the Spanish Inquisition, they never expect it.
That CSR will be horsing around until it gets OHKO'd out of nowhere.
shadow wind
Well in OTS they can always expect it
stone trellis
Yeah, but who cares?
next stump
rock tomb/stone edge/steel move maybe
shadow wind
See I was thinking heavy slam
But I’ve been running fire punch and it’s lowkey been fine
next stump
The issue is, some of the stuff you'd heavy slam you'd rather fire move anyway
and something like Raging Bolt is too heavy for it to matter
shadow wind
Yeah Tera fire crash in Sun does more than super effective slam
But pairing Miraidon with a strong steel type partner seems pretty strong
foggy lodge
On AV Groudon I’m still not sure what the best 4th move is
Thunder punch
next stump
76+ Atk Groudon Thunder Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 94-112 (53.4 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
wow this is pathetic lmao
shadow wind
Yes
foggy lodge
How much damage does heat crash do to Tornadus?
shadow wind
And I have a whole Miraidon
next stump
76+ Atk Groudon Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus in Sun: 150-177 (96.7 - 114.1%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO
vs
76+ Atk Groudon Thunder Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tornadus: 124-148 (80 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
shadow wind
Just volt switch 😭
shadow wind
Shill weaker than heat crash
I think fire punch is the best
Double damage to CIR and Zama
Now imagine if Groudon got ice punch
😔
stone trellis
If I ever end up making a fangame, remind me to buff the Punch moves to 85 BP.
shadow wind
Like why are they so weak
jade dust
When is Ogerpon fire ivy cludde a OHKO on Zama? Do I need both helping hand and tera? Or one of either is enough?
Tera fire and helping hand is always a OHKO but I wanna know if I don’t need to commit my tera to take down Zama
next stump
+1 252+ Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. +1 252 HP / 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 176-208 (88.4 - 104.5%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Helping Hand Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. +1 252 HP / 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 132-156 (66.3 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
next stump
yeah but they could be bulkier than the calc as well
next stump
+1 252+ Atk Tera-Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 164-196 (82.4 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
jade dust
many ppl do
But then they are guaranteed to get OHKO by electro drill
If they run max def
dense latch
the set i see most for zama is 196 hp 244 def 68 spe
jade dust
So those 68 would go to sp def
I see
In my last game I got a critical ivy cludde, without tera or helping hand
And Zama survived with 8% HP
next stump
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned on a critical hit: 198-234 (99.4 - 117.5%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO
are you max attack ogerpon
jade dust
Yes
next stump
then they're very bulky zamazenta and you got a low roll
next stump
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned on a critical hit: 186-218 (93.4 - 109.5%) -- 56.25% chance to OHKO
yes
next stump
252 Atk Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned on a critical hit: 176-210 (88.4 - 105.5%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO
jolly changes a LOT
you're not likely to KO with a crit
jade dust
Oh wait you were using adamant?
next stump
yes that is what the 252+ means in that calc
jade dust
Ah + means boost nature
I didn’t know what evs for ogerpon so I did max atk and speed
I also run iron bundle so I can outspeed caly shadow after an icy wind
And OHKO with Ivy cludde
stone trellis
Ivy Cuddle?
jade dust
My autocorrect puts it that way
stone trellis
Never tell the horny fans that this move exists, they'll lose their marbles.
stone trellis
Have you ever faced the same person four times on S/V's VGC ladder?
I did that yesterday.
jade dust
I have done 3 times
molten oasis
Ivy Cuddle
stone trellis
And I won every single match despite them changing their team twice.
molten oasis
the move where ogerpon cuddles you to death instead of bonks you to death
stone trellis
Ogerpon is my child.
next stump
Have you ever faced the same person four times on S/V's VGC ladder?
Whenever I play during the work day I always face the same people repeatedly
stone trellis
Whenever I play during the work day I always face the same people repeatedly
Cool.
jade dust
Rilla isn’t living an ivy cudgel without committing tera right?
stone trellis
Pretty sure it's not.
jade dust
I hate that monkey and I’m happy to kill it with a bonk
stone trellis
Ivy Cudgel is 100 BP and with the boost from STAB, the Hearthflame Mask and being super effective, that snowballs into a KO really fast.
jade dust
All ogerpon masks boost atttack by 1.2 right?
next stump
it always KOs rilla, but if they intimidate you it'll take tera for it to KO
jade dust
Yeah if they have incineroar I always tera in case they switch it in
I really need to kill the monkey as soon as possible
And unlike Zacian
Tera fire ogerpon gets the atk boost again on switch in
floral kindle
Hiii, Can anyone talk to like, Me about my best pokemon?
What I mean was that, I wanted a rating to my moveset, I guess?
jade dust
What’s your team
next stump
sure, share the pokemon and moveset here
but just know this chat is focused on PVP, so if it's storymode then you will be better off in a different channel
floral kindle
So, Mainly my Leafeon. It's moves are Solar Blade, Sunny Day, Synthesis, Tera Blast, It has Tera Rock and a Heat Rock and max Sp. Def so I can survive a hit and set up sun and also max attack at 350, It's adamant and I have a sun team.
:3
Oh, Ik, I've been playing Pokemon for a while.
next stump
are you playing single battles or double battles?
floral kindle
I play both
But, Right now singles.
:^
Btw, Should I ditch Synthesis for Protect and then give my Leafeon leftovers?
Bcuz I dunno.
Hello.
Alrighty then.
Why'd everyone go quiet ToT
Any1 ToT?
jade dust
I play both
Leafeon isn’t good at least not for doubles
floral kindle
I know. That's why I prefer singles online.
I don't really care if she's not good. I just wanna use her.
floral kindle
Yeah, My Leafeon has chlorophyll
That's why I have Solar Blade, If Imma set up the sun anyways, Might as well use the strongest move I can get under it.
Also why I have heat Rock, Sweeping vibes.
shadow wind
Solar blade can be extremely risky
floral kindle
Well, Ik if they change the weather in cooked
But idk what to do for damage, Leaf Blade is good but it isn't quite enough for how the scene online is right now, I can't one shot anything with leaf blade so solar blade gets a bit closer, and after I just dunno.
Why I have synthesis too. If I just out speed with sun I get a lot of HP back, With Tera Blast for coverage, I get walled by Grass types, sure. But that's really okay, I guess.
I'll just try a new team member.
Am I just going to yap my behind off or if someone gonna like, reply.
shadow wind
We don’t know singles
floral kindle
So then...explain doubles?????????
I'm just okay at doubles so that's why I came here.
jade dust
So then...explain doubles?????????
Well supports are more important than ever
You are better using Koraidon
@floral kindle
You can add Whimsicott or tornadus
For tailwind
Since your grass is taken by Leafeon, no rilla so
Maybe Indeedee
To add follow me and a terrain to fight other terrains
Also walking wake since it’s the best water type for sun teams
Flutter mane is another option instead of tornadus or whimsicott
Give it icy wind
And sash
jade dust
So then...explain doubles?????????
Not perfect but you could try something like this and see how it feels
Idk the Lunala evs tho
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/create
Interesting
floral kindle
@jade dust actually, I do have a flutter mane! And I use Shiftry for tailwind
rustic mountain
kinda hard to just explain doubles haha
floral kindle
I had to pick up my sister's friends, sry I'm late
Sorry ToT
I know what they are, I just wanna know why Leafeon's bad for doubles.
rustic mountain
yea just entirely outclassed at this point as a sun abuser
too much high powered threats that either outright threaten it or dont really care about it
rustic mountain
What's that
sun abuser is something that takes advantage of the sun being set whether it being itself or a partner that sets it up
floral kindle
Ooo
rustic mountain
leafeon having chlorophyll puts it in that category it just cant really keep up in the current format
ur basically makin ur workload a lot tougher in terms of winning by trying to use something that doesnt really offer you many net positives
shadow wind
Hey tree
rustic mountain
seems fine
lofty tartan
Still on Groudon. Such perseverance
rustic mountain
conner will never drop groudon
lofty tartan
I admire the dedication
shadow wind
Cloak Incin is being tested right now
rustic mountain
1 protect scares me
shadow wind
AV Groudon is literally goated
rustic mountain
is it tho
shadow wind
This guy lived a +3 astral from modest CSR
shadow wind
Precisely
rustic mountain
lmao
rustic mountain
lmfao
shadow wind
And he has enough physical bulk that he still does fine into Koraidon
Trust me, it’s cooking
shadow wind
That team is REALLY bad into CIR Kyogre though
shadow wind
Yeah I fought Conner on ladder
We don’t need to speak of this
foggy lodge
The Groudon survived +2 tera grass giga drain
dense latch
i think the gdon mirai incin farig core is prob fine
just finding the other two is the issue
shadow wind
Yeah
rustic mountain
took the words right outta my mouth erik was gna say
"this thing is goated, it lives things half my team can already"
shadow wind
Maya suggested Wake and it’s been awesome so far
lofty tartan
Wake doesn't get enough love.
shadow wind
Being able to threaten Incin and Rilla is really nice
lofty tartan
shadow wind
😔
lofty tartan
Conner getting bodied out here.
rustic mountain
im also a groudon fan but man that guy is tough to run is all
lofty tartan
Yeah I love the guy but there's no denying it
foggy lodge
There will be ONE Groudon in day 2 of worlds🔥🔥🔥
rustic mountain
nah
lofty tartan
Probably 🤷
rustic mountain
ill bet there isnt
lofty tartan
Like crazier things have happened on hotter days.
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/704eac0298eba95f also i saw this team doing well in the vr tour and did decently with it despite some insanely bad luck
im still not so sure abt amoong in miraidon teams though, and i barely brought ursh, could that be anything else?
foggy lodge
Like the Altaria
lofty tartan
We'll see.
rustic mountain
w/ the thresholds and qualifications
doesnt mean some sauce cant do well but idk i think it lowers the chances
foggy lodge
Also there are no more byes in rounds this year right?
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/704eac0298eba95f also i saw this team doing well in the vr t...
yea im not sure w/ shroom/miraidon but i also didnt think rilla/mirai would do well either and it has
foggy lodge
I think shroom mirai is kinda broken
In the VR of yesterday there were 3 amoonguss mirai in top 4
rustic mountain
Also there are no more byes in rounds this year right?
idts
foggy lodge
And I just think amoonguss mirai gives you a neutral match up into most of the meta
shadow wind
I’ve been seeing A LOT of scarf Miraidons recently
foggy lodge
With the other pieces of CIR and Incin
shadow wind
I knew I was cooking when I mixed it with Groudon
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/803fe425be9fabe1 i was using this before i found the other team
amoong is rly cool even when it’s just there to rage powder
and pollen puff is really nice for volc
rustic mountain
nd idk bout urshi wat would u even replace it w/? might be a u thing more then an urshi thing
it seems to slot in well for the team, might just be mu dependent
dense latch
it’s prob a me thing
foggy lodge
You could use Treads too
dense latch
i havent really used ursh this format so idrk when to bring it
rustic mountain
yea thats fair
dense latch
i also pulled like a lot of korai today so maybe that’s y
rustic mountain
nah i get that sun was a big reason i had dropped watershifu on my csr/zama como
just seemed like it was every other game
molten oasis
I think shroom mirai is kinda broken
Really
dense latch
i should def consider bringing it more into mirai
for some reason my brain just auto crosses out ursh there and i prob shouldnt
still figuring out lines and such
rustic mountain
and especially w/ sash, u have a lot more leeway
shadow wind
While also playing Maxi on ladder I ended up playing Lorenzo Arce on ladder yesterday as well
Just thought that was kinda funny
I didn't realize how unfun toxic stalling Dozo was to play against when the person is competent
shadow wind
Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking
Honestly I'm a little shocked pblades killed
shadow wind
@dense latch
jade dust
But very outplayed tho
shadow wind
Oh wow
I haven't seen it that much
Or maybe I just haven't noticed it
Oh hey this guy is kinda chill
This also happened
median stag
Hi
left bobcat
Hol upppppppp
foggy lodge
This is the second tree I'm talking to today
Wild things are happening in the forests near mezagoza
foggy lodge
HELL YEAH
dense latch
should i be worried about this
rustic mountain
u have 22 alts?
dense latch
yea
rustic mountain
dense latch
eriksp to erikspx excluding eriksp8 (i don't wanna talk about eriksp8's unregistered run)
then some random alts i made to test out random teams
rustic mountain
eriksp to erikspx excluding eriksp8 (i don't wanna talk about eriksp8's unregist...
we have to address eriksp8s unregistered run
dense latch
we do NOT
rustic mountain
jkin lol
dense latch
also i still don't know how i feel about amoong on mirai teams
rustic mountain
Flavio is playing clam treads
weird
dense latch
https://pokepast.es/803fe425be9fabe1 tree what do u think of this
left bobcat
ALL I DO IS SPIN SPIN SPIN NO MATTER WHAT
rustic mountain
https://pokepast.es/803fe425be9fabe1 tree what do u think of this
seems cool
foggy lodge
I think clam is bad tbh it doesn't kill Miraidon lol
dense latch
wow that's ass
cyan smelt
I still don't understand rillaboom on miraidon teams
left bobcat
I still don't understand rillaboom on miraidon teams
Well if it’s lefties or parabolic charge miraidon I can understand it
rustic mountain
I still don't understand rillaboom on miraidon teams
its a tricky balance of basically countering opposing mirai while repositioning ur own to be in a better spot
foggy lodge
252 Atk Iron Treads High Horsepower vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Miraidon: 150-176 (85.2 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
And its no bulk Miraidon🥀
rustic mountain
yeesh
left bobcat
What if- incin
foggy lodge
I don't know if it kills Incin
rustic mountain
band or sash just seem better
foggy lodge
252 atk does 70% in a max roll🥀
rustic mountain
U don’t mean- the focus band
foggy lodge
252 Atk Iron Treads High Horsepower vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 162-192 (80.5 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
foggy lodge
this guy needs band
Absolutely
left bobcat
<:weird:768698438484885514>
Choice band…?
foggy lodge
Or life orb but I'm not completely sold on lorb
left bobcat
LORB for the win
left bobcat
seeing as thats the only band item thats viable, yea
Well u didn’t state viable-
I have seen some crazy things
rustic mountain
context matters, we were talking about good items for treads
left bobcat
Ohhhhhhh
rustic mountain
y would i throw focus band in there
left bobcat
y would i throw focus band in there
Idk unless ur crazy
Well AV, choice band, electric seed, life orb
rustic mountain
i feel like i saw some1 troll w/ focus band at an online tour recently but i forget how far they got
muted sequoia
Does anybody know how the water+fire pledges (makes a rainbow effect that doubles the chances of secondary effects), ancient power, and serene grace stack on each other?
left bobcat
i feel like i saw some1 troll w/ focus band at an online tour recently but i for...
Not far enough I can assume
left bobcat
Does anybody know how the water+fire pledges (makes a rainbow effect that double...
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
rustic mountain
Does anybody know how the water+fire pledges (makes a rainbow effect that double...
id imagine theyd either negate eachother and just give 1 2x boost so itd be a 20% increase or if they did stack then i guess itd be 40%?
not really sure tho
rustic mountain
Not far enough I can assume
no lol
muted sequoia
Does terrain boost affect moves before abilities?
rustic mountain
like in what sense ? rainbow effect isnt terrain based its a field effect
muted sequoia
like in what sense ? rainbow effect isnt terrain based its a field effect
Fair. I mean are they constantly active at the same time or does an ability technically have priority
rustic mountain
its a good question i dont have a definitive answer to, id assume simultaneous
muted sequoia
its a good question i dont have a definitive answer to, id assume simultaneous
Fair enough. Just trying to figure out if it's 30% or 40% chance for an omniboost
rustic mountain
seeing as stab w/ tera doesnt stack multipliers, i dont think it would stack in this case either but again, not sure
muted sequoia
seeing as stab w/ tera doesnt stack multipliers, i dont think it would stack in ...
I found the answer
rustic mountain
nice
muted sequoia
Some extra mischievous info for the masses
rustic mountain
haha i never mind learning mechanic interactions i didnt know previously
muted sequoia
Trust me. This strat is gonna start picking up
rustic mountain
watch out dozo theres another omnibooster in town
muted sequoia
A full omniboost team would be wild
rustic mountain
if only xerneas was in the game ( plz no)
left bobcat
Hmmm fairy aura Tera fairy geomancy boost moonblast- hooo boy
dense latch
that's enough vgc for the day
dense latch
i'm retiring this account
dense latch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2394759204 glad i changed teams, back at 1700
shadow wind
rustic mountain
it b like that sometimes
shadow wind
Still won though 💪
rustic mountain
pog
shadow wind
I literally needed one more foul play
cyan smelt
Farigiraf the goat
stone trellis
Miraidon's the best Lunala partner, right?
molten oasis
It or koraidon yea
shadow wind
Too many Lunadons we be forgetting the og 😔
Nah cause screw that Ursaluna is getting turned up
I hate that stupid bear
Unironically has better stats than Groudon
stone trellis
Everything except for its HP is worse than Groudon's by a significant margin.
I guess you could argue it has better Speed since it's not middling and is very clearly TR-oriented, but still.
shadow wind
“Significant margin”
It’s has 10 less attack and has guts, it’s HP makes it bulkier specially and slightly worse physically, it has base 50 speed which makes it ideal for trick room
stone trellis
Yeah, I was mostly thinking of its Defense being 35 points lower.
shadow wind
And the HP is 30 higher so it barely makes the difference
stone trellis
To be honest, I think I could put Ursaluna on this team.
I really hate using TR on Lunala though.
shadow wind
What why?
It’s a ghost type so it doesn’t need fake out protection and it can run trick room quite comfortably
turbid vale
guys whos the most broke pokemon when u get trick ropm up
stone trellis
CIR or Ursaluna.
stone trellis
Yeah, until Ursaluna tanks it and OHKOs it with any of its moves.
shadow wind
Ursaluna does NOT tank a Tera fire eruption but go off
turbid vale
Yeah, until Ursaluna tanks it and OHKOs it with any of its moves.
you could just use weather ball with pelipper
tbh
stone trellis
Ursaluna does NOT tank a Tera fire eruption but go off
Nevermind, I was wrong.
turbid vale
also can anyone rate my play
stone trellis
you could just use weather ball with pelipper
No one uses Pelipper in a world where you can have two restricteds.
stone trellis
There, fixed.
Anyway, which item should Miraidon run?
Definitely not Scarf, right?
shadow wind
AV, Specs, or Scarf are all great
turbid vale
No one uses Pelipper in a world where you can have two restricteds.
i mean i saw a ludicolo earlier when i was playing regi
stone trellis
AV, Specs, or Scarf are all great
What does it normally run with Lunala?
stone trellis
i mean i saw a ludicolo earlier when i was playing regi
Rain setters and rain abusers are very different things.
shadow wind
What does it normally run with Lunala?
NAIC ran specs and Milwaukee ran AV I’m pretty sure
stone trellis
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2393801541
Holy Protect spam.
How did they fall for the Follow Me bait?
stone trellis
NAIC ran specs and Milwaukee ran AV I’m pretty sure
So which one's better in your opinion?
shadow wind
Man I got no idea I’ve never touched Miraidon Lunala
turbid vale
How did they fall for the Follow Me bait?
uhh idk most of the matches the ppl fall forit
shadow wind
A lot of mons want AV so I’d say probably specs just so you have more freedom with your items?
stone trellis
Alright.
And to be honest, I think it's just better if I have the option to blow something up immediately instead of slowly wearing it down.
shadow wind
Yup
stone trellis
Alright, time for Ursaluna.
I want to be devious and run Tera Normal just so Facade can nuke shit and make CSR players throw their Switch 2 out the window, but I don't know.
turbid vale
How could i do better in https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2394875207 {im the one with indeedee}
bro i just lost to a parabolic charge miraidon again
i have never seen that
it also had calm mind snd palkia eith telepathy
waxen dock
How did they fall for the Follow Me bait?
Low ladder
stone trellis
Fair.
knotty briar
Working on a Reg I team with Zamazenta
This is what I've got so far
What should my other restricted mon be?
dusty cloud
What do people recommend as a way to get into competitive? is it a case of rent teams and try, or is there better resources available?
shadow wind
Working on a Reg I team with Zamazenta
This is what I've got so far
What shoul...
Since you’re looking at using ice spinner pao probably not something like Miraidon but CSR Zama can never really go wrong
shadow wind
What do people recommend as a way to get into competitive? is it a case of rent ...
Pokémon showdown is an incredibly useful resource as it lets you build teams and play them on a ladder there
I’d recommend using strong teams that did well at irl events like Regionals or even Internationals and by using those you can figure out what mons do and why the team did well in the first place
knotty briar
Since you’re looking at using ice spinner pao probably not something like Miraid...
Thank you. Now I just have to restart my shield to get a min attack Calyrex
I was going to do that anyways for a Koraidon team, but this just gave me another reason
gentle cragBOT
Thank you. Now I just have to restart my shield to get a min attack Calyrex
I w...
bman54319 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep
shadow wind
Thank you. Now I just have to restart my shield to get a min attack Calyrex
I w...
I don’t even know how necessary that is
Like obviously any advantage helps but I don’t find myself foul playing CSR too much
And I know that even a 31 Atk iv CSR lives a non stab foul play
stone trellis
I just had a funny match against a Miraidon + Ho-oh team.
stone trellis
I just had a funny match against a Miraidon + Ho-oh team.
They led Miraidon + Grimmsnarl and I led CIR + Iron Valiant.
shadow wind
Man I hate playing against Ho oh teams
stone trellis
I used Spirit Break into the Miraidon to punish it if it chose to stay in, but it clicked Volt Switch and switched out, bringing Ho-oh in.
However, I used Glacial Lance, which didn't do much as Grimm had set Reflect up.
shadow wind
Who’d the Miraidon volt into?
stone trellis
CIR.
knotty briar
And I know that even a 31 Atk iv CSR lives a non stab foul play
0- Atk Farigiraf Foul Play vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 136-164 (77.2 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
This is with 31 IVs in attack
shadow wind
Yeah see it doesn’t even OHKO no bulk
stone trellis
CIR.
In turn 2, Iron Valiant clicked Coaching into CIR, allowing Ho-oh to pick IV up with a Brave Bird.
shadow wind
Obviously lorb damage might then knock it out but that’s a variable
stone trellis
In turn 2, Iron Valiant clicked Coaching into CIR, allowing Ho-oh to pick IV up ...
Grimmsnarl had also used Light Screen, even though it was very clear that the two threats in front of them were physical attackers.
knotty briar
Eh, I still have to catch another Calyrex anyways
The one I have is min speed
stone trellis
Eh, I still have to catch another Calyrex anyways
The one I have is min speed
Can you trade it to me?
shadow wind
I’ve never had to a Calyrex so literally I have no clue how those mons work
stone trellis
I'll give you anything.
knotty briar
Bro the sheer amount of resets I did for the sake of min speed Calyrex has caused me to never want to trade it
stone trellis
Please.
You said you were going to catch another one.
And I desperately need it.
shadow wind
A CSR one and a CIR one
knotty briar
I'm catching a min attack one
shadow wind
You kinda need 2
stone trellis
You can catch one, reset Sword/Shield and catch the second one.
shadow wind
Man this is reminding me that I still need to get a Miraidon
stone trellis
You can catch one, reset Sword/Shield and catch the second one.
I don't care how difficult it might be, I need Calyrex.
shadow wind
I wonder how the damage calcs stack up with 116+ and 196+ on Miraidon
Maybe that’s what the team is missing
stone trellis
I don't care how difficult it might be, I need Calyrex.
I'm not about to spend the entirety of July begging for trades in the trading channels like an idiot just because you think it's too precious to trade.
stone trellis
Bullshit.
shadow wind
Then you get one
shadow wind
Then I don’t think you can determine how precious it is
knotty briar
I'm not about to spend the entirety of July begging for trades in the trading ch...
I was trying to be nice when I refused earlier, but now
Go buy the game, buy the dlc, and catch it yourself like the rest of us
stone trellis
Whatever suits you.
shadow wind
I was trying to be nice when I refused earlier, but now
Go buy the game, buy the...
Nah it’s your mon dog feel free to do whatever you want with it
stone trellis
Guess I'll have to beg my parents to buy me a game instead of begging for a trade.
I honestly do not know which one is worse.
Nevermind, my birthday is coming up soon.
Sorry for pestering you, Bman.
knotty briar
It's fine
dusty cloud
If you're able to find someone to trade it go for it, but you can't expect someone to trade it because it's an inconvenience for you ^^'
shadow wind
Man why is it 5:15 am
Apparently constantly thinking about VGC does not make it easy to sleep
knotty briar
Any suggestions for the remaining EVs?
shadow wind
I would suggest replacing draining kiss with nasty plot
Especially with Ogerpon and follow me can really help get that up
And then you’re nuking
knotty briar
How's this looking?
shadow wind
I’d say solid
I don’t even know if you need all that speed
You have tailwind so you could sacrifice some speed
Just make sure you’re always faster than 205 and probably 207
knotty briar
If I'm using follow me Ogerpon to set up nasty plot, wouldn't I want the speed?
stone trellis
Just make sure you’re always faster than 205 and probably 207
You mean 307, right?
knotty briar
You mean 307, right?
VGC is level 50s
stone trellis
Yeah, 307 is the Speed achieved by max Speed Timid Flutter Mane in the sun.
It's literally 205 (its normal max Speed) * 1.5 because of Protosynthesis.
shadow wind
You mean 307, right?
How the heck would you ever outspeed 307 with CSR
stone trellis
Tailwind.
stone trellis
There's nothing with 207 Speed, as far as I am aware.
shadow wind
Which 414 > 307
stone trellis
There's nothing with 207 Speed, as far as I am aware.
Nevermind, I am extremely dumb.
shadow wind
There's nothing with 207 Speed, as far as I am aware.
Iron bundle hits 206 and Zacians speed creep it with 207
stone trellis
So 208 is ideal, right?
shadow wind
You would probably be fine with 206
stone trellis
Yeah.
And the good thing is that you know you're guaranteed to move after every other CSR (if you don't have TW up).
shadow wind
Yeah no speed ties to worry about
stone trellis
Give me a second.
knotty briar
Better?
shadow wind
Looks good to me
You might want to be Tera normal or dark but that’s up to you
Tera normal is really nice in the CSR mirror because you know you’ll always move after and so you’d have to eat an astral from them
stone trellis
And so is Dark.
Dark is even better because you cover for both Psychic AND Barrage.
shadow wind
Dark is also weak to flutter mane
stone trellis
Better?
Yeah, this looks great.
That is why Zamazenta, Chien-Pao and Urshifu exist.
Mainly the first two.
shadow wind
With that reasoning why even have a Tera type
It’s so you don’t have to rely on other mons every time
stone trellis
Fair point, I guess.
knotty briar
This will be the team
Any improvements?
stone trellis
Yeah, it's like a built-in Sash.
shadow wind
Unless it’s calced to live something then leave it as is
knotty briar
Oh yeah
shadow wind
Urshifu also probably could be faster but that’s up to preference I guess
knotty briar
I've one shotted so many with moongeist beam on my TR team that I forgot it had that lol
shadow wind
Why does moongeist beam get to have such a cool secondary effect meanwhile Pblades has the secondary effect of missing every other time
stone trellis
Moongeist Beam can be abbreviated as MB.
Care to guess what Mold Breaker can be abbreviated as?
stone trellis
Why does moongeist beam get to have such a cool secondary effect meanwhile Pblad...
Because Lunala is a special attacker and Groudon is physical.
shadow wind
Moongeist Beam can be abbreviated as MB.
Care to guess what Mold Breaker can be ...
Or just say Moongeist
stone trellis
Plus, P-Blades was introduced a generation before Lunala and Solgaleo anyway.
shadow wind
What does that have to do with anything?
stone trellis
Power creep.
knotty briar
There was no incineroar back when precipice blades were everywhere
shadow wind
Geomancy was introduced at the same time as Pblades
shadow wind
Yet one is game altering and the other is “Oh I hope they miss”
knotty briar
Geomancy was introduced at the same time as Pblades
shadow wind
Eh to be fair original pulse has it worse barring weather
knotty briar
We don't talk about geomancy Xerneas
stone trellis
Yet one is game altering and the other is “Oh I hope they miss”
Crazy how the two ended up being on the same team most of the time.
stone trellis
Only thing that is good into both is Steel-Flying.
stone trellis
What’s even crazier is how it didn’t win worlds
Its best placement was #3 in 2016, right?
shadow wind
I’m not sure but I know Groudon got second
stone trellis
I am pretty sure it didn't win Worlds because Wolfe's team was built specifically against Big Six.
shadow wind
Groudon has gotten a lot of second places 😔
stone trellis
I’m not sure but I know Groudon got second
Jonathan Evans ran dual Primals.
shadow wind
Bro thought he was Ray Rizzo
knotty briar
I am pretty sure it didn't win Worlds because Wolfe's team was built specificall...
His bronzong even had safeguard yo stop dark void smeargle
stone trellis
His bronzong even had safeguard yo stop dark void smeargle
Precisely.
knotty briar
Bro thought he was Ray Rizzo
That was the 2010, 2011, and 2012 world champ
stone trellis
Bro thought he was Ray Rizzo
Oh, how the tables turned.
shadow wind
And in 2010 he used Groudon and Kyogre on the same team
knotty briar
Did Ray Rizzo even compete in 2016?
shadow wind
I doubt it
stone trellis
Did Ray Rizzo even compete in 2016?
No idea.
shadow wind
Why don’t fairies get boosted damage in misty terrain
But instead weakens dragon moves
stone trellis
It's like how Grassy Terrain makes EQ weaker, but more broad.
shadow wind
Yeah but grassy terrain boosts grass damage
stone trellis
Look, your guess is as good as mine.
shadow wind
And psychic terrain boosts psychic damage
knotty briar
Why don’t fairies get boosted damage in misty terrain
Because fairy is already one of the best types in the game
It doesn't need MORE buffs
shadow wind
Fair enough
languid ocean
i like misty terrain
shadow wind
It really is like the best type
languid ocean
denies spore :p
shadow wind
It can’t hit 3 things and has 2 weaknesses
And all of those problems can be solved by a single ground type
knotty briar
As someone who loves using trick room amoongus, I have a slight vendetta against misty and electric terrain
shadow wind
The day a fairy/ground type comes out I’m rejoicing
stone trellis
denies spore :p
So does E-Terrain, except it wakes up all sleeping Pokemon and doesn't just deny the use of Spore.
shadow wind
So does E-Terrain, except it wakes up all sleeping Pokemon and doesn't just deny...
I don’t think it wakes them up
languid ocean
oh, I mean Misty also denies Wisp
knotty briar
I don’t think it wakes them up
It doesn't
shadow wind
I knew my Smeargle MU wasn’t that easy 😔
stone trellis
The day a fairy/ground type comes out I’m rejoicing
I decided a long time ago to make one of the two pseudos in my game be a Gound-Fairy physical attacker.
knotty briar
oh, I mean Misty also denies Wisp
Ok fair
stone trellis
I don’t think it wakes them up
Then the person who told me this should get their pants lit on fire right now.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
languid ocean
like TWave Grimmsnarl is also something I'd not take
knotty briar
Physical attackers need all the help they can get these days
languid ocean
I'm a groudon believer...
shadow wind
Me too goat
stone trellis
Primal Groudon is mixed, he gets a pass.
languid ocean
crippled by Intimidate, Burn
languid ocean
knotty briar
Torn between me loving Groudon and me really wanting a sun team that isn't outclassed
shadow wind
I just like Groudon so it doesn’t matter to me if he’s outclassed
Because I know deep down everyone that is using Koraidon will explode next gen 🥰🥰
languid ocean
Lilikoal is a fun sun combo
stone trellis
Lilikoal is a fun sun combo
Wasn't that the After You + Eruption combo?
knotty briar
Lilikoal is a fun sun combo
I still have nightmares from fighting that shit in reg F
stone trellis
Truly degen behaviour.
shadow wind
Nah that’s awesome stuff I loved using it
knotty briar
but lilligant also has a really good support moveset
You mean a sleep powder that outsped everything and its mother?
languid ocean
Ice Spinner, Coaching are also the options I have in mind
stone trellis
I would love to build a team with Hisuian Lilligant, to be honest.
languid ocean
Reg G Necrozma-Wings had it as a support
knotty briar
Necrozma-wings is currently on my Reg I trick room team
shadow wind
Reg G Necrozma-Wings had it as a support
I remember that team
languid ocean
not a popular team but still
shadow wind
Necrozma
Indeedee
Gallade
Torkoal
Lilligant
Ursaluna
stone trellis
I would love to build a team with Hisuian Lilligant, to be honest.
With only 228 Speed EVs (not even Jolly, mind you) it outspeeds every Flutter Mane in the sun.
shadow wind
That team is etched into my brain because it was the only Necrozma team
stone trellis
Necrozma
Indeedee
Gallade
Torkoal
Lilligant
Ursaluna
This seems like hard TR and a bit of psyspam, but with one fast Pokemon added.
shadow wind
This seems like hard TR and a bit of psyspam, but with one fast Pokemon added.
Usually TR teams have one fast Pokemon
languid ocean
knotty briar
Usually TR teams have one fast Pokemon
There's the occasional hard trick room team
While less common, it's still really strong
shadow wind
I hate dealing with hard tr
knotty briar
I love using hard tr
stone trellis
Hard TR when Encore comes in:
languid ocean
What you mean you don't like Oranguru enabling CIR to hit Glacial Lance twice in a turn
knotty briar
Hard TR when Encore comes in:
That's why I use Farigiraf
stone trellis
I actually fought against a hard TR team once and it was brutal.
languid ocean
Clefairy is a nice pick against TR teams
stone trellis
After You?
knotty briar
After you to punish trick room
stone trellis
After You is kinda goated, isn't it?
languid ocean
Not to add Clefairy outspeeds all execpt very few in TR
idk how viable it is since I haven't slot it in for Reg I
shadow wind
Clefairy and Iron Bundle are hidden gems in Reg I
stone trellis
I have a Clefairy that underspeeds every Amoonguss that runs the 27 Speed IV set.
languid ocean
based on usage seems good
shadow wind
The only ways to not have to deal with speed ties
stone trellis
Clefairy and Iron Bundle are hidden gems in Reg I
I should make teams for both.
knotty briar
This is what I used last month
stone trellis
All speed control, no fucking offense.
shadow wind
Well the offense can come from the bikes
stone trellis
I don't really want to run dual bikes.
shadow wind
They probably would benefit the most from those 2 speed controllers
stone trellis
Any two Pokemon which have access to Ground and Fairy STAB obliterate the bikes even through Tera.
Does Koraidon want to die to P-Blades or Moonblast?
stone trellis
Yeah, you are right.
shadow wind
And the ground work for Groudon Flutter
stone trellis
I don't know, I feel like making separate teams for the two would be funnier.
stone trellis
Man I love flutter mane
MILF
Man
I
Love
Flutter Mane
shadow wind
Gonna get that on a shirt
I’m going to be really sad when the paradox mons don’t come back next gen
stone trellis
Let's start with Bundle.
stone trellis
I’m going to be really sad when the paradox mons don’t come back next gen
Pokemon Champions:
knotty briar
Gonna get that on a shirt
This is the best option, I'm afraid
stone trellis
Let's start with Bundle.
Miraidon is an obvious partner here, right?
shadow wind
Man I’m at that point of tiredness where I’m more aware than normal
shadow wind
Miraidon is an obvious partner here, right?
Like 150% yes
knotty briar
Where’s the one with the frogs
shadow wind
Perfect
stone trellis
Miraidon is an obvious partner here, right?
That + E-Seed Lunala with Tailwind instead of TR would be perfect.
shadow wind
I don’t know if that’d be perfect
stone trellis
Trick Room is not a viable option because icy Wind drops the targets' Speed.
shadow wind
What if you did CSR
stone trellis
That could work.
shadow wind
And then add Chi yu for good measure
stone trellis
With Scarf?
shadow wind
Yuh
Lorb CSR and specs Miraidon
Iron bundle for speed control
Then whatever 2 physical attackers you want
stone trellis
Should Bundle have Booster Energy on to ensure it can always be as fast as possible?
stone trellis
As for the moves and Tera Type, I really have nothing.
shadow wind
Although you could always just lead Miraidon I guess
For bundle?
Tera ghost
Freeze dry
Icy wind
Encore
Protect
stone trellis
Although you could always just lead Miraidon I guess
Ice Spinner Chien-Pao, Rillaboom, Indeedee and Terapagos make that difficult.
stone trellis
Tera ghost
Freeze dry
Icy wind
Encore
Protect
Thanks.
stone trellis
You don't need any bulk on Bundle, right?
shadow wind
Could add firepon
shadow wind
You don't need any bulk on Bundle, right?
If you’re sash yeah
stone trellis
Ah shit, I need bulk then.
shadow wind
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a non sashed bundle
stone trellis
Guess I'll give it Sash instead.
shadow wind
It’s already so fast
stone trellis
Then whatever 2 physical attackers you want
Band Iron Treads is calling like the Green Goblin mask.
shadow wind
Iron treads is funny
But it might be too electric terrain required
But AV treads sounds fine to me
stone trellis
Stomping Tantrum, Steel Roller and what else?