competitive_discussion

[next stump]

so ending 8-4 ended up not mattering

last slot that earned money

[shadow wind]

I did the math, I've played 800+ Bo3 sets in Reg I

This is not something I'm proud of

[bold geode]

I played a fuckton of BO1

All my ladder grinds are either at work or late at night

Like I'll struggle throughout the day but then grind out 400 ELO in a single nightly session

[molten oasis]

I hit 1500-1600 range in bo1 a lot

[bold geode]

I hit 1600 for the second time last night when I was up til 4am laddering

[dense latch]

my laddering is so weird

[bold geode]

I'm proud of last night though cuz like
A lot of times when I grind ELO, there's like at least 40% weird to shit teams admittedly

[dense latch]

yesterday i was convinced i was doing horribly in bo1 but hit 1700 at the end of the day with solid gxe on a brand new account

[bold geode]

Almost all of my games last night were against real teams and a good amount of Sun MUs which is hard for my team

[molten oasis]

Awesome

[dense latch]

i think i should play some more bo3 tho

[molten oasis]

I should too I just, don’t lol

[dense latch]

i think i’ve played more bo3 while labbing than in ladder

[lofty tartan]

My elbows in your... I mean hi, hello, and heya

[bold geode]

BO1 is just easier for me to blast out

[bold geode]

Sir get your arm out my.......
Cookie jar

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/new-amsterdam-lauren-bloom-nope-not-even-close-not-close-not-even-close-gif-4195317289348633766

[solid frigate]

Mika what the heck lmao

[lofty tartan]

I thrive on shock and disgust.

[bold geode]

No wonder we get along

[molten oasis]

Tf did I read

[lofty tartan]

A sneak peak of my manifesto.

[solid frigate]

Me too Drago,Me too

[lofty tartan]

Yo I got Twizzlers. You like Twizzlers?

Why don't you just sit down and have a Twizzler.

[solid frigate]

I think we hit Mika's head so hard that he acts like Monke

[lofty tartan]

Lol Monke and I are not the same.

[bold geode]

I think if you do that, Mika would just die

I'm basically like the handsome Squidward of brain trauma

[dense latch]

do you have other snacks by any chance

[solid frigate]

Squilliam?

[bold geode]

Do you not know handsome Squidward?

[lofty tartan]

Hmmm. Nope. Just Twizzlers right now. I don't eat a lot of candy.

[solid frigate]

oh you mean that version where squidward got slammed by the door

[lofty tartan]

I got my kid Reese's and my wife a Mr Goodbar.

Also candy is hella expensive.

[bold geode]

Yeah I was finna say are you not cultured

[bold geode]

I'll show you Mr Goodbar

[molten oasis]

[solid frigate]

i remembered that episode dw

[molten oasis]

I feel like everything’s expensive

[solid frigate]

man i hate UK houses

Its literally an Oven inside

[dense latch]

southern hemisphere 🔛 🔝 imagine being in summer couldnt be me

[solid frigate]

its more like the houses Trap HEAT

WHICH WE DON'T WANT IN SUMMER

[latent leaf]

Tera water incineroar

Will help with the heat

[lofty tartan]

It is. Rally against the corporations.

[molten oasis]

Ong lol

[solid frigate]

nah i rather have Rotom Frost

[rustic mountain]

no ac is crazy

[molten oasis]

Sounds miserable rn

[twin kindle]

Just buy a huge fan

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/im-a-big-fan-lewi-lewis-fan-spinning-nikocado-avacado-gif-21664606

[bold geode]

I just wanna hit top 500 bro

[jade dust]

Nice

I think overall Miraidon has a positive MU against caly shadow cuz while caly is faster, it can’t OHKO Miraidon without any boosts

But Miraidon can OHKO caly shadow any day of the week

Miraidon takes a lot of damage from astral barrage but it’s a positive trade

[rustic mountain]

id also remind u mus dont exist in a vacuum

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/531a04e99616dbdc thoughts on ursh over hands here? i havent been bringing hands too much and when i do i haven’t felt its impact too much, idk if i want sash or band ursh tho

[jade dust]

They still show results sometimes like Koraidon loses to Caly ice

It had a pretty bad losing record in tournament results

[bold geode]

Me: I wanna get top 500
Also me: loses 100 ELO

[rustic mountain]

thats tru but mirai vs csr isnt as rock paper scissors as korai vs cir

[jade dust]

Yeah that’s a good point

[rustic mountain]

id say the harder counter is the lunala commonly paired w/ miraidon that can be immune to zama while wide guarding the barrages away from csr

[jade dust]

But caly shadow is in more threat to be removed from the game

[dense latch]

it’s always when you’re as closest when you start going down like crazy 😭 top 500 avoids me like the plague sometimes

[twin kindle]

You feel the pressure

[rustic mountain]

sash seems more flexible w/ both modes whereas band is more situational moreso w/ tr set up

kinda up to u how ud wanna go about it

band also gives urshifu an insane amount of damage boost so the trade off can be nice to make ur tr mode stronger

[dense latch]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 108 HP / 196 Atk / 4 Def / 180 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet
• U-turn

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 84 HP / 212 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• U-turn
• Aqua Jet
• Close Combat

these are the two spreads i had saved for band

[jade dust]

I use mira with caly ice and miraidon is kinda my answer to caly shadow

[dense latch]

mdb and the milwaukee winning team respectively

i’d prob go for the first tho, i just really like the idea of a bulky ursh under screens in theory

[rustic mountain]

im not saying u cant use cir w/ mirai moreso like id say the lunala is more of something id consider the counter in that regard then mirai which can still be good into it i guess depending on the board but isnt as naturalized of a counter

[rustic mountain]

theres ur answer then

[dense latch]

lmao true

it’s nice to have a second opinion on my first instinct in case i’m missing something

reassurance is neat

[rustic mountain]

nah but seriously if ur intrigued by it, give it a chance

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2388252689-sa05k0b2sfp69mhjeung4l2y4qybkvspw dropped cir in my first game just to try it out, worked fine despite some awkward plays

[jade dust]

Yeah not a direct counter but more like a slightly positive MU

I added iron threads to my team recently with knock off too

It’s faster under electric terrain

[bold geode]

Went from 1610 to 1488
Someone just

Take me out back lol

Tonight was a night where you just lose a lot

[foggy lodge]

With Incin yeah you may be overlapping

I used mystic water shifu but sash is also super good

And btw I don't know if its a typo but you are using suboptimals hp evs on mirai

[dense latch]

shit you're right
i took the evs from someone and didnt check

[foggy lodge]

Dillon's evs

[dense latch]

i think so

[foggy lodge]

choice specs tera fire heatran

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-tenna-chapter-3-kick-explosion-meme-gif-10301814914722719462

[foggy lodge]

TOMORROW JAPAN NATS

Probably one of the most important tours of the format if not the most before worlds

[chrome knot]

bo1 tour yibbie

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2388277058-8x6ob6f51rcf25iyp54kfwwtuk2yd5wpw

@dense latch

You were right, doing damage with Caly ice works too

No need to tera water fari

[dense latch]

nice turn 1

[jade dust]

Yee I traded positively

I let the poison KO my fari, horse and iron hands so miraidon can win the 1v1 against caly shadow

[dense latch]

wow bo3 is so much nicer than bo1

[shadow wind]

It is

Until you play 40 minutes worth for 6 elo

[foggy lodge]

Yes

That's the biggest problem of bo3

30 minutes sets for 1200 elo matches is just

Not worth it tbh

[rare pumice]

which generations legendary duo would you say was the most unfairly tipped in the favor of one more than the other when it comes to pvp so far

I feel like either Zacian or Xerneas take that title by a wide margin

[dense latch]

it's zacian if you don't count gen 9 zama

yveltal was good in some restricted formats

zamazenta was basically useless until it got body press

[jade dust]

I really don’t understand what the fuck were they thinking in not giving it body press from the beginning of SwSh

[shadow wind]

Right now it's Kyogre and Groudon

What the frick does Groudon do

[foggy lodge]

There's a japanese groudon comp going around

I think with CIR

Most likely will appear at japan nats you have something to expect Conner

[shadow wind]

Yippee !

I love Groudon !

Man I wish I could hit T500 with above a 70 GXE

God forbid I be even a little consistent

[molten oasis]

that hard to do lol

[shadow wind]

Unfortunately 😔

[torn parrot]

I’m still pissed about the one guy

Who blocked me for telling him calyrex shadow can learn body press

I have to let it go tho at some point

It’s been like half a year

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2388329406-ts7231b30e432d4lmpyt59819g65eyxpw

Funny how everything fainted in turn 3

[molten oasis]

thats wild lmfao

i wouldnt even remember smth like that

[jade dust]

Iron hands and ursaluna faited of recoil

Funny to watch

[molten oasis]

that foul play into ursa was crazy

i didnt' think it would do that much

[jade dust]

Yeah it almost OHKO

Well was OHKO considering the burn

But I think it was cuz the def drop from headlong rush

[molten oasis]

well yea

but still a lot of damage for sure

[jade dust]

I predicted they would tera ghost cuz they were in front of iron hands

But I didnt expect foul play to 1 shot it

[jade dust]

Yeah definitively

[azure ether]

any ideas on what EVs does Marco Silva's NAIC team have?

I'd like to use it for locals

[misty helm]

so had a thought. my friend uses rock tera blast serperior to counter fire type Pokemon and I was and I was wondering if it would be a good choice to give my charizard tera ground and scorching sands

also one of my Pokemon that can reliably win against his sneasler is my rabsca but I don't think that it will continue to work since he gave his sneasler tera flying acrobatics so would you say it would be wise to use tera rock rabsca with power gem as a response

[rare pumice]

is Urshifu a restricted pokemon? I don't believe it is but I want to be sure

[knotty mirage]

No it's not it just normal legendary

[next stump]

happy Japan Nationals day 🙂 stream starts in about 11 hours or so

bo1 closed teamsheet until top 8 where they’ll play open teamsheet WITH open natures

[spiral ridge]

Woah weird

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/shusher-home-captain-smek-gif-16112908977447177811

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sagawa-yakuza-0-caught-dead-gif-13341775218849343327

[bold geode]

[spiral ridge]

[bold geode]

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-anime-kicking-jjba-gif-17944107

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-beatdown-jujutsu-kaisen-2v1-gif-19722418

[rare pumice]

can the different Tauros breeds be passed down in breeding?

[foggy lodge]

Did showdown die

[exotic grotto]

Really? How did that happen?

[latent leaf]

Just play random singles

[next stump]

https://x.com/andrew_whit_/status/1936101814622965889?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Andrew Whitman (@Andrew_Whit_)

Surprise Top 75 News!

A player presumably removed themselves from the NA leaderboard moving everyone below up one spot. I assume this means the top 75 invitation moves with it, but we won’t know officially until invites are sent.

X · Jun 20, 2025, 4:40 PM

[exotic grotto]

I wonder why the player did that...

[bold geode]

Wait
Does that mean my boy...

[pulsar cloak]

It seems like Shiliang removed himself, he said that he wasn't going to Worlds bc of his baby expecting to be born around that time

[bold geode]

Really?

[pulsar cloak]

That's what I saw in the comments, but I do know that Shiliang did make a tweet saying he wasn't going to Worlds for that reason

[bold geode]

@next stump do you know when invites get sent

[next stump]

early mid July usually

[bold geode]

I see
So basically we don't know if invites will actually adjust to this huh

[next stump]

nope :/ hopefully they do

very very awesome for shiliang to drop out

idk if i would have done the same

[bold geode]

Yeah idk but like
Makes sense

But yeah I looked at the leaderboard
Yeah his name ain't there

[jade dust]

https://pokepast.es/6ab5c38ae6a62498

How many protects you need in your team?

I have 3 currently

I was considering protect in Fari but then I would lose an important move

[craggy dagger]

depends imo

last i checked, the average number of protects on teams were around 4.2 ish

per 6 pokemon on a team

[next stump]

On a team like that I think 3 is okay

[craggy dagger]

but some pokemon don’t need protect or prefer to run something else instead of protect so

[next stump]

You’d lose foul play on farig which is a judgment call for you

[craggy dagger]

it depends mostly on the player for number of protects.

i’ve got 3 on mine

https://pokepast.es/71bfbfb8da29bd8f

[jade dust]

Yes I need all the moves Fari has rn

Foul play, psychic noise, trick room and helping hand

[craggy dagger]

impish urshifu…
lemme go change that rq

[jade dust]

I need helping hand to close some OHKO that wouldn’t be possible otherwise

[craggy dagger]

it’s supposed to be adamant

[jade dust]

No U turn on rilla?

[craggy dagger]

mhm.
a but of an odd set but i like it

sacrificing pivot for ground coverage

[jade dust]

When I use rillaboom I use only one grass move

[craggy dagger]

though i don’t know the full extent of reg I rilla calcs-
im just using one from reg G

[craggy dagger]

drum beating offers speed control in a slow way

and a decent grass move without recoil

[jade dust]

Grassy glide, high horsepower, u turn and fake out

[craggy dagger]

i know that drum beating sets usually run band tho

[jade dust]

But that’s my preference

[craggy dagger]

its glide spam so ig i could go u turn

[jade dust]

Yeah I appreciate more the ground coverage than a stronger grass move

Wood hammer is stronger but you get walled out easily by those that resist grass

[next stump]

Doesn’t come up often but resisted wood hammer in grassy terrain will do more damage than high horsepower to a neutral target

it is convenient that high horsepower hits most things that resist grass

[jade dust]

Yes you only have high horsepower for grass resistant

[craggy dagger]

oh wait actually?

that’s good to keep in mind

[jade dust]

Neither would do much tho

If they resist grass and aren’t weak to ground, rilla gets walled out hard

But at least you have something if they aren’t weak double resistant to grass

Like what is wood hammer doing to hearthflame ogerpon

At least high horsepower does neutral damage instead of quadruple resistance

[craggy dagger]

fair enough

[jade dust]

Also I think double wide guard is too much. I’m not sure what iron valiant is doing here

[craggy dagger]

hm?

double wide guard just in case

but
valiant is fast coaching and encore catching for fake out and other prio moves

[jade dust]

I would recommend a speed control instead

But if it works for you

[real prairie]

oh how ive missed the BS of BO1 LOL

Just beat someone with Life Orb Terapagos, like just completely negate its ability

[tiny karma]

Necrozma-Dawn-Wings's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aerial Ace, Body Slam, Breaking Swipe, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Earthquake, Facade, Fling, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Knock Off, Metal Claw, Night Slash, Outrage, Psychic Fangs, Psycho Cut, Return, Rock Blast, Rock Slide, Rock Tomb, Shadow Claw, Slash, Smart Strike, Stone Edge, Thief, X-Scissor

Special Moves

Charge Beam, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Earth Power, Expanding Force, Flash Cannon, Future Sight, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Meteor Beam, Mirror Shot, Moongeist Beam, Photon Geyser, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shock Wave, Signal Beam, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Wring Out

Status Moves

Ally Switch, Autotomize, Calm Mind, Confide, Cosmic Power, Double Team, Dragon Dance, Embargo, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Iron Defense, Light Screen, Magnet Rise, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Protect, Recycle, Reflect, Rest, Rock Polish, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Telekinesis, Thunder Wave, Toxic, Trick Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Necrozma-Dawn-Wings.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[next stump]

love the set from dude

[solid frigate]

sometimes you wonder do they not read

[tiny karma]

- [Ground]

Immune

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Poison, Rock

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Grass, Ice, Water

Type Notes

Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[left bobcat]

Oh no bro

[jade dust]

Is Iron boulder good?

[foggy lodge]

No

[jade dust]

Why not

[foggy lodge]

Horrible typing horrible coverage horrinle MU into the meta

It has good stats

[jade dust]

The coverage isn’t bad, it has good movepool actually

[foggy lodge]

But that's it

[foggy lodge]

What does rock psychic give you in this meta

Outside of like incin and shifu

[jade dust]

It has iron head, signature move, taunt , throat chop

[foggy lodge]

Which both still resist it

[jade dust]

Etc

[foggy lodge]

A lot of mons have better kit for that same role

If you want a dark coverage use Chien-Pao, if you want steel coverage use Treads

[jade dust]

I currently use treads

Tho considering other options

Iron valiant being one of them too

[molten oasis]

Iron boulder sucks

[solid frigate]

i tried it with Kyogre back in reg G lmao

[dapper crag]

Why oh why does ground hit flying types now?

[next stump]

what

it doesn’t

unless there’s gravity, roost, or zygrade (maybe a couple I’m missing)

[bold geode]

https://x.com/mamamia10012/status/1936132431905746965?t=O-wMJkmRPWXDYwkvhYKVeQ&s=19

https://x.com/mamamia10012/status/1936130658151088517?t=peR0vGV-A-xYtn_6u-9H9Q&s=19

@next stump replies to that tweet ya sent

Dan (@mamamia10012)

@Andrew_Whit_ The deadline to withdraw appears to be today (or maybe it already passed idk). But if you do bear in mind you also lose the ace trainer promo

X · Jun 20, 2025, 6:41 PM

Dan (@mamamia10012)

@Andrew_Whit_ The same happened in EU, we've put a ticket in to make sure it will actually count

X · Jun 20, 2025, 6:34 PM

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2388731287-83qw07svrf7stchw6xoxct9umym6d11pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2388732806-2trjgq7uifvrokkgqhcjsl1hm3rn9sdpw

anyone could analyze this replays? I want to see if it could have been played better

[jade dust]

Well let’s begin with the first replay turn 1, you should had protect with Landorus to see what your opponent was trying to do

Instead you lost your miraidon check for nothing and didn’t get all

[foggy lodge]

im choice band and cloak brother 😭

there's an OTS right there

[jade dust]

Choice can’t landorus base?

[foggy lodge]

???

[bold geode]

He's the side of the Treads

Actually yeah Max you probably should've said that LOL

[jade dust]

Ooohhh

Lmao

[jade dust]

Well got nothing to say about game 1, you punished your opponent’s errors

Game 2 tho I think you used your tera too early

You had cotton so you were moving before the enemy miraidon anyway

Didn’t need to tera there and volt switch would had done more damage

[dense latch]

tera covers for a zama protect turn 1

[jade dust]

I guess so

[foggy lodge]

yeah it was for that

[jade dust]

You could bolt switch on miraidon too

[foggy lodge]

I didn't want to risk a draco there

[jade dust]

And no need to tera

They were threatened by your tailwind so they had to tera

At worst would had reset the situation

But it’s fine, it worked either way

[foggy lodge]

that's okay but if I volt switch into Mirai my next mon doesn't pressure neither of them

if I chip Zama shifu or treads pressure it to get the ko

[next stump]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmEMEvstqJY

japan nationals starting soon gopefully

[molten oasis]

That cover art goes hard

[jade dust]

Yeah it’s not a bad play what you did there, it worked well anyway

I just like to preserve my resources

[dapper crag]

Most ground moves hit flying types now except specific ones like earthquake. Got hit by high horsepower on talonflame. No gravity nor smackdown. Excadrill dngaf

Had to Google it bc I was like dafuq

[next stump]

yeah that's just objectively wrong, send a replay because that has never ever happening to me in 1000s of games in scarlet/violet

something must have happened like tera/gravity/etc.

[dapper crag]

I can tell you it didn't bc it was first turn. Talonflame is my tailwind opener. Unless there is an ability I'm unaware of, and Google says that's the case now in regards to typings

[solid frigate]

Tera?

[foggy lodge]

Its only gravity or roost

There's no way to hit flying types with ground moves except that

[solid frigate]

unless they tera'd out and being clueless

[next stump]

Can you link this google post? or a screenshot?

[foggy lodge]

Which is still super niche moves or interactions so no ground moves don't hit flying types now

[solid frigate]

we love Zygarde

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/SerebiiNet/status/1936224990933705198?t=hKWPnlNAQzA2Gg6bPTV1Lw&s=19

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: The Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Hyuma Hara's Flutter Mane distribution to celebrate the Japan Championships has been released

Code: 24MHABATAKUKAM1. Runs until June 22nd 2025 at 14:59 UTC

Full details @ https://t.co/gDbXkHSvkT

X · Jun 21, 2025, 12:49 AM

Trick room flutter btw lmao

[solid frigate]

is it that one Pagos team

[foggy lodge]

Yes

https://x.com/WolfeyGlick/status/1936202192974667976

Wolfey (@WolfeyGlick)

The current Pokemon ruleset is probably in the top 3 hardest ones I've ever played - maybe even 1 or 2. Hope I can figure it out by Worlds, it's honestly so difficult

X · Jun 20, 2025, 11:19 PM

This is a super interesting take

I do think this format is hard af

[molten oasis]

I got it down but yes it’s a really hard format

Making a mistake can cost you the whole game it’s rough

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/stickbugged_lol/status/1934411875325989326

dyl (@stickbugged_lol)

koraidon without sun \ koraidon with sun

X · Jun 16, 2025, 12:45 AM

[foggy lodge]

Its not only that its also that I think you have to play like always 2 turns ahead

Because its like oh i chip down and i cover the switch then I don't end in a 50/50 or in a speed tie and I cant tera this mon cause I need it to wall x mon but if I don't something is gonna oneshot it

I mainly think what makes it hard is the amount of 50/50s and how to try to avoid them

Which a lot of the times you still can't and its just the format that forces them

[bold geode]

Oh God not this meme again

[next stump]

i wish i could speak japanese so i knew why stream hasn’t started games yet lol

[dapper crag]

Tera type is flying on talonflame, so it wouldn't even matter

Maybe it was a glitch or hack or something but it definitely hit and ko'd me

[next stump]

AI Overview…

next generation is absolutely cooked

let’s play a game where I used high horsepower into your talonflame and we can see what happens ourselves

[foggy lodge]

Was it in showdown or in game

Showdown sometimes bugs a bit

[dapper crag]

Gonna have to wait 12 hours, just started work.

[foggy lodge]

Not often but it does bug sometimes

[dapper crag]

Link battle online

[lean ridge]

It had to be either a roost turn or gravity was active I assume

[next stump]

AI is notorious for dogshit answers

[bold geode]

True

[dapper crag]

Neither. TF doesn't have roost and neither the opponent's Terapagos nor Excadrill used gravity

[lean ridge]

Oh

These are all the conditions for when a ground type move can hit a flying type maybe one of these things happened idk

Maybe they tricked an iron ball onto ur talon flame 😭

[dapper crag]

Except terapagos used protect and Excadrill used the high horsepower. Talonflame is carrying red card to punish fakeouts. Maybe excadrill has an ability that I'm unaware of? But yeah AFAIK it shouldn't have hit but did. I still won but was annoying to say the least.

[lean ridge]

Of all the conditions mentioned there the only one that could happen is gravity cuz pagos can learn it but even then it would be a really weird move to put on it, unless the online ladder can bug out I feel like that has to be it

[molten oasis]

Yea for sure

[dapper crag]

Yeah maybe they got it off the same turn as the protect? Like some kind of double move bug? Idk bc it happened the very first turn which threw me off bc with the protect, Regidrago only knocked Excadrill out with Dragon Energy.

[foggy lodge]

FINALLY IT STARTED

[next stump]

LETS GOOOO

[foggy lodge]

Fedecampo's team vs Erizabeth's team

[next stump]

remember CTS bo1 i think

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its cts

Not sure of bo1 but we roll

[next stump]

last year every single CIR was AV with crunch

for the mirror

[foggy lodge]

😭😭😭

One shot for every item we get wrong

Why does only japan get the spectator mode

[bold geode]

Bro deadass so TexasVGC server was like "what are predictions"

And I went "I predict we hopefully start soon*
And it started right after

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hypnotizing-hypnotizing-dog-hyptonizing-you-hypnotizing-you-собака-гипнотизирует-gif-14437882061713379771

[molten oasis]

lol

[bold geode]

THIS IS THE TEAM

This Zam Ogre team right here

This shit gas

[next stump]

OH MY GOD WHAT A PLAY

that was fucking insane

[bold geode]

Massive

[next stump]

fairy lunala just wins this game, right?

[dull ibex]

hello

[bold geode]

Goodbye

[dull ibex]

okay

[bold geode]

LOL

[bold geode]

Whatchu doin in here

[dull ibex]

was bored

wanted to check in

[bold geode]

I see

Just watching Japan Nats now

[dull ibex]

oh pog

im trying to get battlefront 2 to workj

[bold geode]

Insert Battlefront 3 joke here

Oh
Actually saving the Amoongus

Oh it's Spinner

Very interesting for a team with Rillaboom

[dull ibex]

you're a battlefront 3 joke

[bold geode]

Look I have no idea about that shit, I just know for 3 days that's all I would see in Tiktok comments

[dull ibex]

lmao

[next stump]

super clean to pull that game back, shocked to not see lunala tera

[bold geode]

Real

Also think game would've been really messy if Lunala clicked TR on the turn it woke up

Idk either of these players LOL

[next stump]

the guy who lost has gotten top 16 at worlds before

and a few other top cuts at IC's

[bold geode]

Oh shit wild

I wish I could read Japanese

Anyways, that Zam Ogre team is real

[molten oasis]

How’s life

[next stump]

imagine if this country got regionals

NA would never win again

[foggy lodge]

Hirofumi lost in round 1

He is using Groudon CIR

[next stump]

is it double elimination?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

He is now in losers bracket in theory

[next stump]

how many round wins to make day 2? 5?

[foggy lodge]

Not sure

They are 64 players

Its easier to make a representation of the bracket

I could make one I think

Btw seed 1 vs seed 64, seed 2 vs seed 63

What the VRs do basically

[next stump]

oh shit champions ad

[solid frigate]

WAIT

hold the phone

is it just the same one from presents

[next stump]

yeah

[solid frigate]

i got baited

I got baited so badly

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-miraidon-plush-spin-silly-gif-7447766115590536849

[bold geode]

HATSUNE MIKU

[solid frigate]

thats at least like known for JP loves Hatsune Miku on their Pokemon Content

[dull ibex]

waiting for switch 2 because BORED

[foggy lodge]

I think Mao Harada goes to stream

[bold geode]

I think I heard Mihono

Which is part of Suica's Twitter name

But he's AU iirc

[foggy lodge]

He is at Yokohama rn

[molten oasis]

Valid

[bold geode]

Damn nice

[dull ibex]

very excited for cyberpunk when i get my switch 2

[solid frigate]

Mirai CIR vs CSR Zama

[pulsar cloak]

Zeen team vs. CSR Zama balance

[dense latch]

almost dillon’s team

[solid frigate]

i think thats Dillon's Team or close to replica

wait

did i forgot something

[dense latch]

wonder if that’s qd or support volc

[pulsar cloak]

Probably QD, it looks like the Shohei Melb team

[solid frigate]

if its support volca then its most likely dillon's

lets see

[dense latch]

yea only difference pokemon wise is grimm over farig

[solid frigate]

Volca probably feels better for Zama no?

[pulsar cloak]

Yeah Volc is pretty good into CSR Zam

[solid frigate]

he could bring it here

[pulsar cloak]

I assume it's in the back

[solid frigate]

scarf Mirai

[foggy lodge]

ITS SCARF

[pulsar cloak]

Well that's a deader horse

[foggy lodge]

WDIWDJOP

[pulsar cloak]

Has a fair amount of bulk too, 195 HP

[foggy lodge]

ngl should have gone for protect protect

[solid frigate]

he has to switch now

yeah especially against Pao

[foggy lodge]

unless its specs csr who knows

[pulsar cloak]

Still wouldn't have found out about speed tiers, but knowing that Mirai has snarl is nice

But yeah double protect would've been safe, especially in a Bo1 CTS format

[solid frigate]

sucker Punch
Icicle Crash Miss
Ivy Cudgel

unfortunate

Pao Tera

ANOTHER MISS

[pulsar cloak]

Sucker punch and spirit break on grim

[solid frigate]

honestly you can get away not having twave if you are running Scarf Mirai

sucker Punch on Pao and then drain punch on Zama should clear

NVM BOTH LIVED

yeah Miraidon can win the endgame

[bold geode]

WAIT HOLD TF ON

@next stump did you know Ashton Cox's MOM plays the game?
https://x.com/charjoscho/status/1936195955474444584?t=L5ADnP0DfUQRkr6njJdcmg&s=19

cj! (@charjoscho)

does anyone know this diva’s name and what team she was running. she’s my fucking hero

X · Jun 20, 2025, 10:54 PM

https://x.com/AshtonCoxGAZ/status/1936198531330527384?t=MurWXoj5is4F8FSYFyiw3Q&s=19

🦖 Ashton Cox 🦕 (@AshtonCoxGAZ)

@charjoscho YEEAAAAHHHHH LETS GO MY MOM

X · Jun 20, 2025, 11:04 PM

[solid frigate]

WHAT THE FUCK LMAO

[sterile raven]

How good is Swordfish?

[bold geode]

HEY BRO
MAMA'S COOKIN IS ALWAYS GOATED

[sterile raven]

Like Kyogre Zaci

[bold geode]

It's pretty good
Definitely not the best but

[solid frigate]

his mom is cookin

[sterile raven]

How is it for someone new to VGC?

[bold geode]

I'd say it's an A tier combo

Not bad at all

[solid frigate]

position Heavy but still relatively easier

[sterile raven]

I've been back and forth on what I wanna play.

[bold geode]

MORE HATSUNE MIKU

LET'S FUCKING GO

[sterile raven]

Like, is Ursa good on that team?

[foggy lodge]

That's so dope

https://x.com/AshtonCoxGAZ/status/1933516249432297584

🦖 Ashton Cox 🦕 (@AshtonCoxGAZ)

My family is ready for the battles to start! #playpokemon

X · Jun 13, 2025, 1:26 PM

[bold geode]

That's dope as hell

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/Byte_v24/status/1936191994444800362

Justin (@Byte_v24)

NAIC VG, TCG and GO PICTURES ARE ONLINE - RTs ARE APPRECIATED

If you appreciate my work and wish to support me, please consider donating at https://t.co/XWmV7j9q29 every donation is important no matter how small

Enjoy: https://t.co/PrupWMznNP

X · Jun 20, 2025, 10:38 PM

[chrome knot]

the whole family plays

[foggy lodge]

This is so cool too

[bold geode]

Shit's pretty gas

[molten oasis]

Yea that’ll be hella hype

[dull ibex]

yeah true

[balmy glen]

She’s really nice

[bold geode]

Awesome

It's great that he has a family like that

I was talking with people like

If I ever had a kid (God forbid), I would probably introduce em to Pokemon

[solid frigate]

AYO PAGOS ETERNATUS???

i rather have screens for that tho-

TRICK GRIMMSNARL-

[foggy lodge]

TRICK WHAT

WAS IT A SUPERPOTION

[solid frigate]

JP Trick Grimmsnarl Tech frfr

[solid frigate]

LMAO

ok Kyogre and Eternatus doing their battle cry is genuinely terrifying

[bold geode]

That did a lot to the Etern

[foggy lodge]

its iron ball grimm

or lagging tail

[bold geode]

LOL

[solid frigate]

yeah Eternatus is always faster than Kyogre in this situation so yeah

[bold geode]

Ooooooooooooooooo
We have a Tera situation

[solid frigate]

tera would not be bad but like

Caly and Ogre pinned it so badly

[foggy lodge]

SUBSTITUTE IN THIS ECONOMY

[solid frigate]

its JP

they somehow have the way to make it work

ok the tera is smart imo

Wait what did Pagos used

[bold geode]

What did the Pagos try to do?

[foggy lodge]

is toxic

[bold geode]

Oh LMFAO

[foggy lodge]

is toxic sub pagos

[molten oasis]

Oh nah

[solid frigate]

OK NVM THIS TEAM IS ASS

[bold geode]

Nah this shit big funny

[foggy lodge]

it missed

[solid frigate]

yeah RIP Rilla

i think you should keep eternatus

ggs

they slowly made Pagos into Eternatus/Lugia ahhhh playstyle lmao

[foggy lodge]

Hirofumi eliminated

[molten oasis]

Damn

[foggy lodge]

@shadow wind groudon went 1-2 I'm sorry lil bro

[bold geode]

Cheeks

[molten oasis]

bad mon

[foggy lodge]

Incin Ho Oh quite broken

its over

[marsh shard]

is there any teams that are running Gholdengo in VGC?

or Ranked

[foggy lodge]

Gholdengo is kinda dead in this format I think

but I could search give me a moment

[marsh shard]

please and ty

im new into VGC/ competitive battling

[next stump]

VGC is the same as ranked, just FYI. VGC = double battles

[marsh shard]

yeah i understand Vgc i didnt know if ranked was also vgc

just dont know the resources for builds and team comps

but want to use my shiny Gholdengo and i play it in TCG also haha

[next stump]

check out this message if you want websites to help get started

Gholdengo is pretty dead in the current ruleset

[marsh shard]

awesome ty

dang why is that wasnt it just played this season in baltimore i believe

like top 4ed

[next stump]

the rules have changed a lot since then, think of it like adding new rotations in TCG

it's basically an irrelevant meta

[molten oasis]

i miss dengo lol

[marsh shard]

AHHHH ok

well i want to find a home for him somewhere haha as i want to build a team around it haha the Season is over till worlds anyways

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/40e6770e11bb09db

[marsh shard]

so it was good in Set H?

[foggy lodge]

this is the best I could find

[marsh shard]

well thank you!

[foggy lodge]

and it went 4-4 at NAIC being piloted by one of the best players

[marsh shard]

ooooof lol

[foggy lodge]

so tbh I dont think dengo is good now

[marsh shard]

so that shows moves and items anywhere to see the Ev spread .. guessing IVs all Maxed/ hyper since its not a trick room team

sorry to ask all these questions...

trying to learn haha

[foggy lodge]

no worries

usually tournaments will have the OTS (Open teamsheet) of the teams used

I would say its better to check the top teams of the latest tournaments to see any you like

[marsh shard]

so this was Set H when it was played at regionals but were in what I now?

[foggy lodge]

now we are in reg I

reg H banned all legendaries

[marsh shard]

ahhh so thats why Dengo could shine lmao

[foggy lodge]

then we went into reg G that allowed all paradox and minor legendaries and one restricted pokemon per team

and now in reg I is the same as reg G but with two restrictds per team

[marsh shard]

so now were I till End of August?

[foggy lodge]

it could stay well in reg G but reg I killed it

[foggy lodge]

yes

[marsh shard]

so were allowed 2 Restricted mons?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[solid frigate]

yes basically box art level legendary

[foggy lodge]

Usually yeah

[marsh shard]

well i guess a lot of teams are using Incinroar holy smokes.. good news is i got the event one haha

[solid frigate]

i don't think all 3 of my teams using Incin lmao

[marsh shard]

really? im looking at NAIC results and holy smokes so many...

[solid frigate]

sure incin is nice but its more towards Screens meta rn

[foggy lodge]

https://www.serebii.net/scarletviolet/rankedbattle/regulationg.shtml

This has a list of all the restricted pokemon

[marsh shard]

wait were not on I?

[foggy lodge]

In case you are not sure of what is considered a restricted and what's not

[marsh shard]

this is for G

[bold geode]

We're on I

[solid frigate]

the restricted list is still the same

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but reg I is the same as reg G but with 2 restricteds instead of 1

[bold geode]

The list just shows what a restricted is

[foggy lodge]

So the list doesn't change

[bold geode]

Reg G was one giant bubble
Reg I is two giant bubble

[marsh shard]

ok i think i have the list can idm you a pic?

[foggy lodge]

Sure

[marsh shard]

2 of these legends on a team of 6 is kinda crazy of the team power level

[foggy lodge]

Yeah the power level is incredibly high

[marsh shard]

so i have a list i want to try but i cant find the Evs / Ivs for the mons

it was 10th at NAIC Justin Knox

[foggy lodge]

I have my personal list of the best duos rn

This is completely subjective tho

[foggy lodge]

Oh I have that one

[marsh shard]

yeah the team im wanting to try has Miraidon/ Lunala

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/79acec921c9fdf35

[marsh shard]

THANK YOU

[foggy lodge]

Released by Justin Knox

[marsh shard]

heck yeah!

[molten oasis]

no zac mirai but groudon ogre is on there

[solid frigate]

its more like content farm atp

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

I'm really really really not sure about Mirai Zac

Like there's no reason for it to be bad you know

But it's just like maybe its good or maybe its not too good but how good it is ughh

[molten oasis]

did you ever play my team

[foggy lodge]

So I didn't even put it on the list

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

[molten oasis]

i aint falling for that shit

[solid frigate]

i did try Zac Mirai but i butchered the team so badly

[molten oasis]

ik you didnt play it

[foggy lodge]

I'm making my Lunala destroy your brain really hard

[molten oasis]

uhhhh, go go gadget ruination

[foggy lodge]

I have to try it tho its just

I haven't turned on the switch tbh lol

[bold geode]

"You will like thicc Latinas oooooooo"

[foggy lodge]

But yeah I can rank with it

[molten oasis]

i gave you the paste

[foggy lodge]

I hate showdown

[molten oasis]

"i dont turn on my switch, i also hate showdown" lol

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

[bold geode]

Brother doesn't play Pokemon

[foggy lodge]

I HATE POKÉMON

[molten oasis]

yea like

[bold geode]

We all do but like

[molten oasis]

i can see that working but i think chi yu doesnt exactly do all that much for the duo compared to pao

[solid frigate]

i'm just focus on Mirai part more than Zacian Part honestly-

[molten oasis]

valid

thats why its worse

[solid frigate]

shut up /j

[foggy lodge]

I love how you can know someone was a zama or a csr player in reg G by how they build csr zama

[molten oasis]

yea

its interesting

[bold geode]

Nuh Uh

[molten oasis]

monke shut up lol

[bold geode]

Mine doesn't look like either

[foggy lodge]

Not even with csr zama even with Mirai Zama

Joey never played Zama I think and when he made mirai zama he didn't use pao he used fucking ditto lmao

[bold geode]

Mirai Zam players now were all definitely Mirai guys
The team is that one LMAO

[molten oasis]

yep lol

[bold geode]

Ditto sucks balls

I'll keep my stocks in that

[molten oasis]

then it wins worlds

[foggy lodge]

Ditto is like only

Okay now I think

[bold geode]

Still ass

[foggy lodge]

Definetly was better in reg G now it easily gets outpaced

Its not like sw/sh were most of the time you could have a +2 atk zacian with sash with it

[molten oasis]

zacian also isnt hard meta lol

[foggy lodge]

Mhm

When I used Joey's team Ditto cooked Zama and Zac tjo

[solid frigate]

lmfao Someone in YT live chat asked Where's Wolfe lmao

[foggy lodge]

Like the Zama and Zac MU was genuinely just unwinnable for that team because they had to deal with Volc and then oh no nos I have your restricted but with a +2 good luck

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

[molten oasis]

thats brutal

[foggy lodge]

And Mirai's MU into Zac was a bit bad si yeah Ditto made a lot of sense for it

[molten oasis]

this was reg g?

[solid frigate]

+2 Ditto:I'm better than you

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

I loved Joey's team so much

[molten oasis]

what team was that?

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon Grimmsnarl Volcarona Iron Hands Urshifu water and Ditto

Its because of that team that you are seeing QD Volc with Mirai rn btw

[solid frigate]

update:Someone also asked where is Alex underhill

whats is wrong with English players-

[molten oasis]

ic

[foggy lodge]

Has to be a joke lol

I'm gonna go to the next Santiago regional and keep asking people where do I find Wolfey to take a picture with him

[bold geode]

Going to America and asking where Shohei is at

[solid frigate]

i'm going to both the next UK regional and EUIC

[bold geode]

Probably CM Nala here

[foggy lodge]

Isn't this a variant of Dillon's team?

[bold geode]

A variant that was around before Milwaukee

[foggy lodge]

Volt switch glacial now

[foggy lodge]

Oh Yuta's one ig

Its scarf mirai

And its rilla

[bold geode]

Is it bad that I remember the HP investment of that Incineroar

[foggy lodge]

I don't know any of their names but

[bold geode]

200 HP
236 EVs

[foggy lodge]

The lunala player seems to be better now

[foggy lodge]

what

He didn't protect

He choked

oh its dazzling gleam nala LMAO

[solid frigate]

ggs

[bold geode]

D GLEAM NALA?
Crazy

[solid frigate]

yeah it was a thing

[bold geode]

Did it set up a Calm Mind?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah s lot of calm mind

[foggy lodge]

Ig

I remember that

[bold geode]

So I run 236 EVs in HP
I remember exactly how much HP that is

[foggy lodge]

Riopaser's Lunala, Scream Tail, ability shield Tornadus team is a variant of a japanese player that used dgleam nala

So yeah the japanese players have something with dgleam nala ig

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh

[solid frigate]

zac csr probably win here

funny thhing is that its just Lando and Incin

zacian does nothing lmao

[solid frigate]

TERA FIRE CSR???

DOES BRO NOT HAVE A BAD TERA TYPE

[foggy lodge]

WHAT ARE THEY DOING

[solid frigate]

idk whyy not Astral-

Follow Me Spout?

[foggy lodge]

Wide guard

But its still like

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/BTrickroomZ/status/1936293965328007557

ビッチィ【Yuta Ishigaki】 (@BTrickroomZ)

使用構築これ
元々壁ロン毛+宿木白馬+チョッキオーガで無敵構築！wとか言おうとしてたら練習中急所でイかれまくったから本番2日前にガエンゴリラ職人に転職
微妙なしゃくりで結構拾えた試合もあったけど結局最後は運ゲーから逃げられず…泣

X · Jun 21, 2025, 5:23 AM

[solid frigate]

the amount of people asking where's wolfe in this YT live chat is hilarious

[foggy lodge]

TERAPAGOS IS GOING TO WIN WHAT

[solid frigate]

wait the whole thing or-

BRO OHKO'D A LUNALA BEHIND SHADOW SHIELD OR AM I BLIND

I KNOW ITS MINUS -1 SPD FOR LUNALA AND IT CRITS BUT CHILL OUT

[jade dust]

What are you watching?

[vale meadow]

Hello guys, I'm currently trying some teams, what you guys think about this composition?

Pancham @ Eviolite
Ability: Scrappy

• Foul Play
• Swords Dance
• Low Kick
• Protect

Toxtricity-Low-Key @ Throat Spray
Ability: Punk Rock

• Hyper Voice
• Boomburst
• Electroweb
• Protect

Noivern @ Choice Specs
Ability: Telepathy

• Draco Meteor
• U-turn
• Dragon Pulse
• Flamethrower

Crustle @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Sturdy

• Earthquake
• Rock Slide
• Iron Defense
• Protect

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge

• Wood Hammer
• Hammer Arm
• Double-Edge
• Grassy Glide

Rapidash-Galar

• Flare Blitz
• Will-O-Wisp
• Reflect
• Play Rough

It was built around pokémons that I like, I was trying to give them a shot

[solid frigate]

Rest in Peace

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-star-rail-dan-heng-gif-10008267026330058903

what you are gonna do when there are 2 Restricted Legendaries roaming around on this format

thats a genuine question i wanna ask

[cyan smelt]

3 of those mons aren't even in sv

[solid frigate]

and Rillaboom has the wrong moves

and don't even get me started on the other 2 who Mediocre

[torn dew]

I want to start in competetive battles is there someone that could teach me Some tactics?

[solid frigate]

tactics or we call,plays,are kinda only learnt by battling, usually i would recommend use approved Rental teams to know how the meta is going or your playstyle

you can check out VGC guides in Pinned Messages

[real prairie]

Heya! Good to know what format you are trying to play in, this team isn't really suited for VGC (the official format) which is what most people in here play

[real prairie]

A good start is to review the pinned materials

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by oneofakindof. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[solid frigate]

it has protect for Toxtricity,Pancham (Not in SV) and Crustle (Not in SV)

Likely doubles

cuz you don't run protect in singles unless you are a staller

[real prairie]

Once we know more we can help more, could just be some offbrand tourney they want help with

its nice to be nice, we all started somewhere. I remember some of the dumbass questions i used to ask when i first joined

[solid frigate]

i feel sad when Noivern is not a boomburst spam set ;-;

thats like the only legit set for Noivern if i recall

[real prairie]

Exhibit A

Exhibit B

[solid frigate]

ok this is stupid

[real prairie]

Ive come a LONG way lol

[solid frigate]

fair enough

i have Singles Experience when start play VGC so my sets are relatively tame from what the fuck the chat showed

granted its Gen 7 OU

[pulsar cloak]

Yeah I remember it was on stream during a Reg H EU Regional

[next stump]

https://x.com/PqlarBear/status/1936358607802548327

Gio (@PqlarBear)

Japan Nationals Top 8 Teams
Tomoki Kinoshita (キノシタ トモキ): https://t.co/ngIJ4STV2V
Yuma Kinugawa (キヌガワ ユウマ): https://t.co/umAUwFr9gh
Chiharu Yasukawa (ヤスカワ チハル): https://t.co/TBsVGc7lDQ
Haruki Sato (サトウ ハルキ): https://t.co/i9fTQ5Zgb9
🇯🇵➡️🇬🇧@zgrzgrzgr46

X · Jun 21, 2025, 9:40 AM

https://pokepast.es/221e25befda581d0

easily the coolest team

[chrome knot]

LMFAO

[torn dew]

Can someone rate team i just made

I'm new in competetive

https://pokepast.es/ef6b5f417b66cb48

[chrome knot]

flutter should be sash ur weather sets it up anyways, please fix rillas moveset & twave > misty terrain on grimm

[next stump]

It looks pretty alright, here are some things I notice:

1. Wild Charge on Koraidon is kind of a wasted move. You're dealing as much (or more) damage with Collision Course even if Collision Course is hitting into a neutral target.

2. Flutter Mane probably wants Focus Sash on a team like this

3. EVs across the board need to be tweaked, it looks like you just went 252/252 in two stats and called it a day. If you need help, check out munchstats.com and just copy an EV spread off there.

4. You have two life orbs, you can only have one. Koraidon can carry the clear amulet if you're struggling to think of other ideas.

5. Tera types for a lot of the mons need to be changed (Grimm/Rilla/Calyrex)

6. Rillabooms moveset isn't great, just do Wood Hammer instead of Tera Blast and Knock Off isn't needed with your ability to hit ghosts/psychic with Chi-Yu/Calyrex

[torn dew]

What move on koraidon will be good?

[next stump]

Most Koraidon run flare blitz, close combat or collision course, and flame charge

one flame charge boost means you're guaranteed outspeeding stuff like Miraidon, Caly shadow, scarf pokemon, etc.

[torn dew]

Fake out on rilla will be good or not?

[next stump]

oh yeah, fake out is necessary on rillaboom

[torn dew]

https://pokepast.es/90bc67171950664f

Is it better now?

[next stump]

It looks a lot better, yes

One thing to keep in mind after you play a little bit is a lot of Flutter Manes drop Dazzling Gleam for Icy Wind instead

so you can do something like Icy Wind + Flare Blitz with Koraidon

but Dazzling has its benefits too so just see how much you use it

[torn dew]

Alr

Thank you @next stump

[gentle crag]

oyakata8065 has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

you're welcome, feel free to ping again with any quesitons

[torn dew]

Alr

[vale meadow]

its a team that I'm building for a night of competitive play of SwSh, not actual competitive format

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/690e128be27b557e

Chicago TO is hosting a low base stat pokemon tournament where we got a mix of random and drafted pokemon, this is my team (minus tera types haven't changed those yet)

it's in person tomorrow, super hyped

[vale meadow]

Its just for a SWSH night of competitive play, I know that maybe I messed up with some movements, what you think of the composition?

[next stump]

I wasn't around for the original post but this chat focuses mostly on the current metas in Scarlet/Violet. It's gonna be hard to find anyone that can give good advice on an older game, especially if you're not playing the official ranked ladder on that game

[chrome knot]

holy fuck LMFAO

[vale meadow]

Thank you for informing, will look another chat to discuss this ^^

[gentle crag]

nctisz has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

Cacturne is unironically gonna be broken I think

115 base attack AND special attack

drop a leaf storm and a sucker punch

[pulsar bay]

I get bodied by legendary spam and suck at team building, how the hell do I get better?

i also like relly on smogon movesets and never make my own

[real prairie]

Context is very important when asking for feedback initially, as we will assume its for VGC and its not uncommon to get berated for that, not that i agree but hey ho.

I wasn't around for SWSH to really give you any feedback personally. sorry

[next stump]

Are you playing single or double battles?

[pulsar bay]

always singles

too scared to try doubles

[real prairie]

Plz! I love that spikey bastard so much!

[next stump]

This chat is almost all double battle players, so it'll be hard to give advice

[pulsar bay]

love cacturne

[pulsar bay]

why is everyone playing doubles. even vgc mostly doubles

[next stump]

VGC is double battles

[real prairie]

I ran a tournament like that in here a while back! under 500 BST, was good fun, i tried to run anger point strats 🤣

[next stump]

there isn't VGC single battles

[pulsar bay]

wait really?

[next stump]

yes, VGC = Video Game Championships which is there real life tournaments

[real prairie]

Technically single ladder is called VGC i think on cart, but its there are no IRL tournaments for it

[next stump]

and they're all double battles

Single ladder is called BSS, Battle Stadium Singles

[pulsar bay]

well I'm prob gonna make a rain team centred around wugtrio

[real prairie]

ah fair, my bad

[pulsar bay]

and throw a physical glalie on cause i love glalie

[real prairie]

i used to run a politoed eject button set for Rain teams in singles, thats always fun

[pulsar bay]

i'm just gonna make a perish song trapper one

[real prairie]

yeah mine had perish

[pulsar bay]

and use wugtrio stab rain boosted tera triple dive

[real prairie]

used eject button to safely switch in rain sweepers

[pulsar bay]

how bout damp rock for longer rain turns

[real prairie]

in 3v3 single battles, they rarely last long enough to worry

[pulsar bay]

i just copy off smogon cause I suck at moveset making

[pulsar bay]

also I do 6v6

[real prairie]

OOooo thats interesting

[pulsar bay]

is glalie ever gonna be viable?

like I made some bad pokemon useable. Like dragon dance whiscash

[dense latch]

i don’t think so

[pulsar bay]

like I love whiscash

[dense latch]

horrible stats, even the mega was bad relative to the others

[pulsar bay]

I tried making a mixed set

at least froslass is decent

[foggy lodge]

Glalie is like

Everything that is wrong with how they made pokemon in older generations

[lofty tartan]

The thing about Smogon sets is a lot of times they are not very pertinent to VGC sets.

[lofty tartan]

Cool looking pokemon - horrible at like everything it wants to do

[real prairie]

Glalie has a niche as a substitute moody Mon

[lofty tartan]

I wouldn't really call it a niche. That implies it's actually good at the role that it's filling xD

[bold geode]

EMMA

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389083680-xwmbam0kfrj1vd4mui78alm9387sll9pw

I love iron hands

[chrome knot]

monk e

hai ive dropped vgc for the summer and its a minecraft/mkworld summer :3

my body is a machine that turns mkworld 6v6s into wins by 190

[bold geode]

😮

I see

I've been sticking to VGC or a couple other things myself
Idk I'm still enjoying the format personally

But I also played Helldivers again for the first time in a while the other day

[chrome knot]

tho

closer to worlds I get to make video of making Dillon + Rishi's Worlds teams :3

[foggy lodge]

Oh shit I forgot today is the VR

[bold geode]

Pog
Need any help with those or

[chrome knot]

in what way..?

[bold geode]

Any help getting mons/building?

[chrome knot]

noo? im going for max rarity hunts

so msotly rng manips of old games

appreciate the offer thoo

[bold geode]

Oh we pulling out all the stops

Like that one person who got PokeAims team

[chrome knot]

mhm

[bold geode]

Tight

Yeah I'm ngl, I have not the slightest clue about that shit

[chrome knot]

it became a hyperfixation of mine before NAIC, and I learnt how to rng manip from gens 3-8 lol

[bold geode]

Damn that's crazy

[chrome knot]

its fun

[lofty tartan]

Breaks are super healthy.

[chrome knot]

and the return is, very cute pokemon

[lofty tartan]

VGC is so much less stress and fretting after a real solid break.

[dense latch]

that sounds so cool

what do u rng manip for? optimal ivs and shinies?

[chrome knot]

just for TID, mon shiny if it cute

and since we on an old game, I can go get cute ribbons

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/PqlarBear/status/1936358607802548327

Gio (@PqlarBear)

Japan Nationals Top 8 Teams
Tomoki Kinoshita (キノシタ トモキ): https://t.co/ngIJ4STV2V
Yuma Kinugawa (キヌガワ ユウマ): https://t.co/umAUwFr9gh
Chiharu Yasukawa (ヤスカワ チハル): https://t.co/TBsVGc7lDQ
Haruki Sato (サトウ ハルキ): https://t.co/i9fTQ5Zgb9
🇯🇵➡️🇬🇧@zgrzgrzgr46

X · Jun 21, 2025, 9:40 AM

Roar Incineroar😭

https://x.com/hirosipoke/status/1936420688799342656?s=46

カ・エール【Hirofumi Kimura】 (@hirosipoke)

決勝大会で使った構築は来週の日中韓交流戦で使いたいのでいったん秘密で😳
代わりに本戦を抜けた構築を公開！
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X · Jun 21, 2025, 1:47 PM

[pulsar cloak]

We gotta acknowledge the Bruxish in the room

Scarf allows it to outspeed CSR and proc it's weakness policy with surf once it teras

[jade dust]

wolfeygreek?

[next stump]

I think it's usually Flip Turn + swap into Indeedee, at least that's what they did on stream

[torn parrot]

my good sir

how are you this morning

[jade dust]

Hi, Im good and you?

Trying to climn the ladder

[solid frigate]

that Bruxish Team.

Still haunts me

[jade dust]

The fuck is this abomination

[sharp cobalt]

BRUXISH TEAM?

Torrent do you have the build

[solid frigate]

its in the post that maxi shared

[sharp cobalt]

[gentle crag]

pocketpoof has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[unreal storm]

I got to Masterball tier for the first time and with Kyurem White

[pulsar cloak]

I need to catch a unovan legendary so I can play the OST during a battle

[torn parrot]

nice job!

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389170339

Another game carried by iron hands

[unreal storm]

Kyurem White is my favorite

I wish SV had replays :(

[visual ingot]

Gotta love kyurem I shiny hunted for it in bw so worth it

[unreal storm]

I'm not very good at comp so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but kyurem w I've found isn't actually bad at cleaning up at the end

[visual ingot]

Maybe I should use mine i currently use ice rider calyrex

[unreal storm]

Maybe. But absolutely use A. Ninetales cause snow is huge for kyurem

[visual ingot]

Ok I might try it out always such a pain to build a team tho imo

Currently 9 wins 4 losses in ranked

[unreal storm]

The W/L ratio I have in the pic is way better than I usually do in any game so I'm happy kyurem could help with that

[visual ingot]

W

[unreal storm]

I used never melt ice on my kyurem but I'm sure there's other better items. I just like being able to use other moves as well cause kyurem gets good coverage

[visual ingot]

Is kyurem special attack or js regular

[unreal storm]

Kyurem W is special. B is physical

[visual ingot]

Ok yeah idk what items to use then

Is there typing different as well?

[unreal storm]

Nope. Both are ice/dragon

The only differences are B is physical, W is special, and they get the respective signature moves of what kyurem fused with

White is way better cause Black has a movepool problem. White gets to use way better special moves than Black does physically

[visual ingot]

Fair enough

[visual ingot]

I hate how you can use more than 1 restricted in ranked but not in actual tournaments

[unreal storm]

I don't play tournaments so it doesn't really affect me

[next stump]

What do you mean? What kind of tournaments?

You can use 2 restricted legendaries for in person tournaments

[visual ingot]

Its only 1 rn I thought?

[next stump]

nope, it switched over May 1st

same day as ranked

[visual ingot]

Ah I see

[bold geode]

@next stump has Japan Nats started yet

[dense latch]

first set ended a bit ago

yuma kinagawa vs the cir kyogre maushold player

https://www.youtube.com/live/xqJIzLENB0g?si=l2_OU-FRN8iJEEnw

[bold geode]

Thank you

We in top 8?

[dense latch]

i think so yea

[bold geode]

Aight, appreciate it

[dense latch]

np (:

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2389346896

Giving taunt to ogerpon was a good decision

Last turn was a full checkmate

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/3c93c2c294a0a1ec hey any ideas on how to improve korai flutter or hard tr?

[jade dust]

I was a hard trick room main for years, so I know a thing or two

You want redirection or a very bulky setter

Indeedee is great cuz she puts terrain to prevent fake out and follow me

[molten oasis]

I’m saying against

[jade dust]

Ah

[molten oasis]

Like I need stuff to fight it

[jade dust]

Big spread moves

[next stump]

what about like landorus + miraidon with farig and zacian in the back

I feel like that can handle TR decently well

[jade dust]

Eruption is a good one

Water spout

[molten oasis]

I’ll try that out

[next stump]

maybe drop miraidon for ogerpon depending on the vibes

[molten oasis]

Is korai flutter a similar issue? My friend was just saying he was struggling with hard tr

And my group has all struggled with korai (which was gonna happen)

[jade dust]

If they get the trick room going is very hard to stop cuz Caly ice is a powerful sweeper

Lunala can help too

With wide guard so at least they don’t get 2 kills for free

[next stump]

your team has basically no matchup into icy wind flutter + korai that I see

[jade dust]

If caly is forced to use high horsepower you are more likely to survive

[next stump]

maybe like... ogerpon + pao, follow me + ice move the flutter?

[dense latch]

how much is stellar zacian coming up for your team?

[next stump]

so you can pressure with sucker later and beat koraidon with scarf mirai

[bold geode]

This Shohei coming up?

[dense latch]

would ogerpon lando work? tera water ep + follow me should allow you to pick up korai

if it’s a korai flutter lead

[molten oasis]

That’s what’s been rough yea

There’s just not much that I can do to it lol

[molten oasis]

A lot

[molten oasis]

I think that could work, I’m ok with messing with slots as well if needed

But this has been the best Zac Mirai has felt to me

[dense latch]

i could see grimm over farig if you’re okay with dropping it

twave opens up more possibilities for lines

[tiny karma]

Amoonguss [Grass/Poison]

Resists (0.25x)

Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fire, Flying, Ice, Psychic

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

So uh

Fari’s the sole reason I can handle double fake out teams

This team hates that shit otherwise

Which I see more than korai flutter

[foggy lodge]

I feel like even there

Farigiraf doesn't put that much work

[molten oasis]

It’s prevents them slowing down my momentum, which

[dense latch]

fair fair that’s why i asked how u felt abt that change bc idrk the intricacies of the team

[molten oasis]

If that CSR gets +2 from nasty plot I’m fucked

[dense latch]

just seemed like an interesting option at first glance

[molten oasis]

Fake out just

I hate fake out it’s a headache to solve when you don’t have it and then this team (imo) just wants pao

And having my mon that pivots to take hits not being able to take ground attacks sucks

[dense latch]

is there any mon you feel isnt really pulling its weight

[molten oasis]

hm

I wanna keep hearth and pao

Lando kinda needs to be there for fire types but the lando and Fari spot are objectively the weakest mons

I had a lot of people say to go Fari since I was struggling with double fake out teams, and just incin in general

https://pokepast.es/826a9cbdfa3f1165 this is the core (technically the ogerpon could change forms but I’ve liked hearth the most)

[bold geode]

Can this shit start already