competitive_discussion

[spiral ridge]

Just make caly Tera grass and AV no reason to complain

[foggy lodge]

WHAT

[solid frigate]

gamefreak make Miraidon still good in Gen 10 lol

[spiral ridge]

Anywho

[dense latch]

ohhh for the illusion strats

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

Is zoroark that worth it tho

[dense latch]

still hilarious you'd think that's a mistype or smth

[astral kelp]

reminds me of a clip from neekos release

[dense latch]

def not

[craggy dagger]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tera Grass Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 70-83 (33.8 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[molten oasis]

nah clearly it is

[solid frigate]

this is why i love Hearthflame Oger+Miraidon in Reg G

[foggy lodge]

I thought you said Heatran

[molten oasis]

Midran

[solid frigate]

i'm not running Heatran with Miraidon

[foggy lodge]

I am

Miraidon Heatran Jugulis Regidrago

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

DRAGON CHEER!!!

[solid frigate]

no

[astral kelp]

I LOVE DRAGON CHEER

sceptile my beloved

[rustic mountain]

did i hear sceptile?

honestly shoulve tried some niche shed tail thing w/ it in reg h

[solid frigate]

bro regrets it

[rustic mountain]

a bit yea

one of the few times this gen to run sceptile somewhat effectively

if not only actually

[shadow wind]

What can I say, I'm a bit of a professional

(They missed a heat wave and I won)

My luck being payed back

[tiny karma]

- [Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Fighting

Neutral damage

Electric, Fairy, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Poison, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.2

[bold geode]

I need link

[jade dust]

Who the fuck would use max SpcD and AV Caly ice tho

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

stall CIR's

[craggy dagger]

theoretical calc

[stone trellis]

Holy hell, welcome back 252+ SpD AV Ttar in sand 💀

[jade dust]

Lol alright

[craggy dagger]

raichu doesnt even get rising voltage

its become a signature for raging bolt

[molten oasis]

a mvoe it doesnt use lol

[cyan smelt]

Just like steel roller is a signature for treads and it only occasionally uses it

[jade dust]

Why would they use that of it removes the electric terrain they need

[foggy lodge]

Because its a nuke

And it lets you reset terrain turns

A common line is volt switch steel roller which effectively lets you have 6 turns of terrain

Something that can happen with Miraidon is that you keep in on the back and when it comes back you have only 1 turn of terrain left

Which btw what is a good 4th move for banded treads

I've been using knock off but I discovered it doesn't really work

[jade dust]

I mean iron head is a more consistent steel attack that you can click at any time

But well it can work against Rilla pretty well

[foggy lodge]

Its basically just a high risk high reward move

Or more meant as a

[jade dust]

What about rock slide?

[foggy lodge]

Big trade basically

[foggy lodge]

I could use that actually

Maybe for Ho-Oh

[jade dust]

It should be the fastest thing under electric terrain and could get a flinch

[foggy lodge]

Even tho it's not a popular mon

[jade dust]

It picked up popularity tho

Not a top thread but can be annoying

Rock slide can cause flinches as well

For general use

[foggy lodge]

Hold on this thing gets wild charge

I didn't know about that lol

Maybe I could use it

[jade dust]

But for that why not to use iron hands?

[foggy lodge]

Also checks Ho-Oh and other water types

[foggy lodge]

Because I want Treads for the coverage not to spam wild charge xd

[jade dust]

Miraidon also already gets electric moves so it overlaps a lot

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randomdoublesbattle-2387663595-viiwfotf5wnjuvq9y8mdwddhe2o4uvmpw

That last turn make me crashout for them

[jade dust]

Wild charge isn’t bad but

I think rock slide is more useful

[solid frigate]

act as a physical Electric Type Coverage for Specially Bulkier pokemon

[foggy lodge]

I think the format is too full of wide guard for rock slide

[solid frigate]

also rock slide can miss and Iron Hands does not want it

[foggy lodge]

Too much Lunala and Zamazenta for it

Tho Treads just doesn't come to the CSR Zama MU

But it helps into Miraidon Zamazenta

[jade dust]

I mean don’t click it in front of wide guard users. It’s just for occasionally make flinches

[solid frigate]

easier said than done honestly

[jade dust]

And rock coverage

[solid frigate]

just run Cornerstone atp

[jade dust]

Rock is a very good offensive type

[solid frigate]

then use Cornerstone for it

[jade dust]

Yeah true. In that case I would use hearthflame tho

If rock slide somewhere

[solid frigate]

156+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. 204 HP / 156 Def Ho-Oh: 156-186 (75.3 - 89.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
156+ Atk Iron Hands Rock Slide vs. 204 HP / 156 Def Ho-Oh: 132-156 (63.7 - 75.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[jade dust]

Game Freak likes to give rock types the same treatment than ice types and make them slow and defensive when they are terrible defensively

But very strong offensively

And give them 0 accurate moves

[solid frigate]

rant a bit and live with it honestly
Idc too much about it knowing gamefreak is terrible at balancing

[jade dust]

Flying types also have a problem in having 0 attacking moves. Either air slash or acrobatics. Brave bird having a lot of recoil as well

[solid frigate]

again

i don't need to care it too much

like rant a bit and move on knowing gamefreak is not gonna care

[shadow wind]

Ok what the heck

Now all of sudden when I barely care about laddering I get up-paired like this

[jade dust]

Yes that’s a good point because they surely know by now

[shadow wind]

That is now 2 top 100 feats for this team

[jade dust]

I’m pretty sure Urshifu will come to next gen untouched

[solid frigate]

i don't care too much about balancing unless its like really REALLY Bad

i like Urshifu tho

honestly without unseen fist we see more stall teams

[jade dust]

I like to use it but I don’t like to fight it

Tho it’s not that bad if you have bulky Pokemon

[shadow wind]

Which is not how they should make pokemon

[jade dust]

Surging strikes doesn’t do much to caly ice

It’s like a 3HKO

[shadow wind]

Depends on the set really

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 204 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 102-126 (50.7 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Thats still does a lot

and benefit of me running rain

[jade dust]

I mean if they commit tera yes

[shadow wind]

Give that main rain and tera water !

[jade dust]

But it’s a resource

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 204 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice in Rain on a critical hit: 156-186 (77.6 - 92.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[shadow wind]

And maybe even a choice band !

[jade dust]

Choice scarf is better

[solid frigate]

banded Rapid won Milwaukee lmao

[shadow wind]

And NAIC

So...

[jade dust]

Lol how if it loses the speed check to many things?

Mostly other tailwind teams

[shadow wind]

Trick room

[solid frigate]

its Mirai Lunala

and Grimmsnarl is a bitch

[shadow wind]

And I believe it was like 252 hp with a lot of bulk

[solid frigate]

also you have Grimmsnarl or WHimiscott

[jade dust]

Grimmsnarl is annoying yes

It picked up a lot of usage

Nobody runs brick break

[solid frigate]

picked up a lot of usage is an understatement when it literally won 3 regionals in a row while meta based around screens

[jade dust]

So screens go on for free

[solid frigate]

its more like Brick Break is not worth for a move slot

[jade dust]

None of the screen removing moves are

[solid frigate]

just hit them hard enough

you can stop one of the screens

[jade dust]

Im considering in using iron treads instead of incineroar

Not sure tho cuz incin can be very good in some MUs

[shadow wind]

You know can close that half of the screen right? 😭😭

[jade dust]

Lmfo Idk whats wrong with ads

[shadow wind]

Treads would only work in one mode of the team while Incin works in both so that’s something to think about

But Incin and hands do fill similar roles

[foggy lodge]

Scraggy🙂

[jade dust]

Well they do very different things. incin slows down opponents while threads nukes

I have incin to force caly s to tera and for those life orb koraidons

[shadow wind]

That is not what I said at all

[jade dust]

Oh wait

Hands

lmao yes both bulky fake out

[shadow wind]

And both weak to Ground !

I guess so is treads

[jade dust]

Nobody in my team resist ground unless tera grass hands

[shadow wind]

All the better for Groudon 🔥🔥🔥

But yeah treads is cool but Incin is more consistent imo but if you don’t think he’s helping too much try out treads

[jade dust]

I actually dont pick incin up that much

And I dont have much thread against caly s zama cuz nothing is faster than caly and zama can 1 shot incin

[shadow wind]

Speed doesn’t really matter when you have TR though

[jade dust]

Yeah but Im forced to then bring fari and hope they dont lead something that can double on it and KO it

[shadow wind]

You have Ogerpon as well

Or even lead Ogerpon + CIR

[jade dust]

Well yes I guess I can follow me and trick room

And tera caly to fire

[shadow wind]

Yup yup

[jade dust]

Im thinking about caly's tera as well

If keep fire or use water or grass

[shadow wind]

Or could even go fairy

I know that’s been somewhat common

[jade dust]

Grass isnt that much of an issue with electric terrain but helps to resist electric

As long as I keep terrain, amoonguss isnt an issue

[shadow wind]

So maybe water then

But like lowkey Miraidon counters all those types fairly well

[jade dust]

Except grass

[shadow wind]

I mean defensively

[jade dust]

Ah yes tho Miraidon isnt tanky to begin with

It dies to strong neutral hits

[shadow wind]

And FWG aren’t neutral

Which was what I was talking about when discussing the CIR’s Tera type

[jade dust]

FWG?

[shadow wind]

Fire water grass

Which were the Tera types being talked about as well

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Hello tree

[rustic mountain]

yo

[shadow wind]

Wait a got a team that I need you to examine

[foggy lodge]

hi tree

[rustic mountain]

idk how much help ill be but sure

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hydrelated-hydrated-water-lannavo-tinnitus-gif-22888217

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/03dd40bed5d2a281

[shadow wind]

Any eyes on a team are good eyes

That’s how I see it anyway

[foggy lodge]

What is this high tier cooking Conner

[shadow wind]

I don’t even know anymore but it was kicking butt earlier

[rustic mountain]

weirdly enough my biggest issue is w/ double dragon

i feel like ud want flutter on one of those for some kind of speed control option

[shadow wind]

Yeah wake AND bolt is bit weird for it I can’t lie

[foggy lodge]

It remembers me of chinese sun

[shadow wind]

No gouging goat 😔

[solid frigate]

i rather keeping Bolt and go full Sun instead of having a water type

Cuz you want to remove Kyogre

[shadow wind]

I could replace wake with flutter then give bolt AV but then I’m strapped for focus sashes so I don’t know

[shadow wind]

Walking wake works in the sun though

[rustic mountain]

sub zacian is baller

[foggy lodge]

No howl spam

[shadow wind]

It makes the Zama MU a little harder but I like it for a lot of matchups

[solid frigate]

yeah but does it remove Kyogre as fast as bolt

[shadow wind]

Why does it need to?

[foggy lodge]

Conceptually howl + groudon and zacian would go crazy but I think its too hard to reallistically pull off

Too much inmediate damage

[shadow wind]

Snarl + Sun cripples Kyogre

[solid frigate]

fighting weather war is almost always no.1 prio

[rustic mountain]

i think u might want to keep wake, it gives u nice pins into csr (snarl + play rough since a lot are tera dark) ontop of resisting ogre as well

[shadow wind]

Almost is the key word

[craggy dagger]

[shadow wind]

True but AV bolt can run snarl as well

[craggy dagger]

i feel stupid playing base calyrex in 1200

[foggy lodge]

What is aqua jet wake for btw I know Zhe Zhang used it but it looks so underwhelming

[shadow wind]

Groudon with weather wars barely matters cause it doesn’t hurt Groudon’s damage

[rustic mountain]

yea true wake just has the benefit of going b4 csr in sun

[shadow wind]

Oh 100%

[foggy lodge]

Its physical and sun weakens it

Ig just for sash mons

[shadow wind]

I just don’t know how I’d be into Tornshifu without bolt

[solid frigate]

doesn't Bolt do that as well

Both have Snarl,Both resist Kyogre and Bolt can actually fuck up Kyogre and TOrnshifu and Bolt is fine in Trick ROom

Unless is preference

[rustic mountain]

main reason what i mentioned above

[shadow wind]

I guess I could give Volc Rocky helmet to discourage strikes

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

So they have to think twice before crashing into the volc

And with sun i think you still take it

[shadow wind]

The problem of killing the Shifu would still be there but I guess I do have options

[solid frigate]

yeah i have nothing to say

I just like Bolt over Wake despite both can run AV

[foggy lodge]

Bolt Volc lead so you pin it

[shadow wind]

Bolt pins the lead by himself

[molten oasis]

whats goin on

[solid frigate]

bolt vs wake on Groudon Zac team

[shadow wind]

I dropped a Groudon Zacian team

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2025/international-north-america where are the torn urshifus man, ik irl tours arent ladder but it really shouldnt be all that common at this point

[molten oasis]

lemme see

[rustic mountain]

there were like 2 in top 128

[shadow wind]

You have a great point

[rustic mountain]

sun is extremely common, players unless ur running kyogre or something generally dont have both torn and shifu

[molten oasis]

tornshifu was a very like

[rustic mountain]

also miraidon

[foggy lodge]

CSR Zama runs a shifu torn sometimes

[molten oasis]

reg f and before thing

eh maybe reg e

[foggy lodge]

But I don't think its like a super important thing either way

[rustic mountain]

the bad one does yes

[molten oasis]

lol

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

its had a steady decline since reg d

[molten oasis]

yea i think it just, exists now

and not really worth genuinely prepping for

also imo for groudon zac i'd go wake, because of incin

but bolt is ok into it too

[rustic mountain]

its definitely there and if u have nothing for it yea itll roll u but theres so much power going around now its efficacy for winning and overall strength is not the same at all

[molten oasis]

having a miraidon legit just solves it lol

[rustic mountain]

which most teams have

[rustic mountain]

right im half asleep, also that

[molten oasis]

i also see tornshifu most on kyogre teams lmao

[rustic mountain]

honestly the best fit for it rn

[molten oasis]

which, again, miraidon is crazy good for

[rustic mountain]

shroom makes it somewhat manageable

key word somewhat

[molten oasis]

its also generally a zacogre thing

so you get zac and amoonguss, and i think they run pao, for miraidon

otherwise, not much tornshifu around rn

[foggy lodge]

Jumpluff

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-寶可夢-unusualpokemon-不可思議的寶可夢-jumpluff-gif-10659753514448770089

[molten oasis]

what even is the paste connor dipped before i could look

[rustic mountain]

that is a pokemon

[rustic mountain]

idk its up there lol

has ur boy on it

[molten oasis]

got it

[molten oasis]

ik thats why i asked lol

wake and bolt, bold lmao

should have enough of an ogre mu with just pao zac honestlly, and snarl wake

[rustic mountain]

thats why i answered

[molten oasis]

lol

and imo you need wake for incin, then on slot 6, idk uh go go gagdet incin

[foggy lodge]

Maybe Bonnet as the 6th slot

[molten oasis]

or amoonguss, oh yea that works

[foggy lodge]

Oh but you have support volc

Then it overlaps

[molten oasis]

hm

[shadow wind]

Tree if I did drop Bolt what is the line into Tera water Zama

[molten oasis]

break it with zac and pao ig

fish for burns on volc

[shadow wind]

Break it by what doing 30% with Tera fairy play rough?

[foggy lodge]

Grass knot venusaur

[rustic mountain]

yea zama hates volc

[shadow wind]

Hates it 30% of the time

30% is not very high odds

[molten oasis]

+1 172 Atk Sword of Ruin Tera-Stellar Zacian-Crowned Play Rough (1st Use) vs. +1 92 HP / 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 90-106 (50.2 - 59.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO sir

[rustic mountain]

dude body press and heavy slam do like nothing, u can def chunk it down

[shadow wind]

And I don’t want to rely on that for every Zama game out there

[molten oasis]

ik its stellar but thats the same damage as fairy

[rustic mountain]

id say focus around it instead of focusing it down

[shadow wind]

But body press hurts so bad 😭😭

[molten oasis]

i forgot about the volc, probably try to burn it with volc and chip it down or focus its teammates

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah Drago I was also curious what your evs looked liked for Zacian, I kinda just free balled

[foggy lodge]

Flutter is good into it

[molten oasis]

could go flutter yea

[foggy lodge]

But sash is taken

And I don't think you want specs

[molten oasis]

Zacian-Crowned @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 132 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 172 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Behemoth Blade
• Play Rough
• Sacred Sword
• Protect
  eats +2 barrage

[rustic mountain]

does it?

volc should take it decently well

[shadow wind]

You’d be surprised

[molten oasis]

hits 209, attack dump. i've been on that spread for a long time

[shadow wind]

Happy day 🙏

[molten oasis]

+1 156+ Def Sword of Ruin Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 252 HP / 212 Def Volcarona: 80-94 (41.6 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

thats WITH SoR

ignore the sitrus

[shadow wind]

Mine is slightly less bulky

[molten oasis]

your bold tho

[shadow wind]

True

Also thoughts on sub Zacian

[rustic mountain]

3hko is bad? what are we talkin about here haha also needs sword of ruin which is situational

[molten oasis]

+1 156+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned Body Press vs. 236 HP / 196+ Def Volcarona: 55-66 (28.9 - 34.7%) -- 6.67% chance to 3HKO your entire zama line is volc man look at this lmao

[gentle crag]

treeco. (ID 669294124649676800)

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sub zacian is baller

Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Jun 19, 2025, 6:33 AM

[molten oasis]

right now its too slow

[rustic mountain]

we must read conner

[molten oasis]

i think, i also feel like with the amount of incin

[shadow wind]

I was asking Drago

[molten oasis]

its really hard to position zacian into a point of actually utlizing sub

i like sacred sword or swords dance rn

[rustic mountain]

i feel like its great for those tr cir leech seed teams

[molten oasis]

SD can also work ok for those

but thats not smth i thought about lol

i think sub can definitely work just team dependent

if youre going pao i'd suggest sacred sword tho

[rustic mountain]

im partial to sub zacian cuz i ran it a lot in swsh but yea its not the easiest to get off especially now

[molten oasis]

oh pao could also do uh, ruination for zama

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2387690503-2l107qka670vp8uimcpy2ni6464n9p1pw

[molten oasis]

and dozo dozo looks annoying for this

[jade dust]

What an interesting game

[shadow wind]

Oh boy more moves to miss

[molten oasis]

the volc helps but still

[molten oasis]

...

[jade dust]

I had to make unusual plays

[molten oasis]

its, zac groudon

you have draco on wake, ur fine lol

[shadow wind]

Yeah so I want to limit the moves alright

I don't want a missing move on every mon

[molten oasis]

ok, i was just saying smth you can do

im on a team with 4 moves that can miss

[shadow wind]

Yeah of course

[foggy lodge]

Ok so

[molten oasis]

its not like the main move you click either

[foggy lodge]

What would be the problems of the team

[molten oasis]

its more a move if you need it kinda thing

my pao has crash and ruination lol

so its, zacdon, pao, volc, and wake, uhm

if you went rocky helm double fake out teams could get annoying

so maybe stay on cloak volc

could see korai flutter being really annoying

[shadow wind]

I'm still on the fence about who to remove between wake and bolt

Both are so incredibly useful

[molten oasis]

nukes your speed control, and everything on the team

[molten oasis]

you have 1 way to handle incin

if you drop wake

[shadow wind]

Did we forget the goat??

[molten oasis]

wake removes it quickly

takes longer for bolt to remove it

[shadow wind]

And consistently...

Also I was talking about Groudon

[molten oasis]

oh, uh, yea wake wouldnt miss lol

doesnt incin just eat pblades too

ig you have pao

[foggy lodge]

Basically CSR MU

I don't know about removing wake because av wake is good into CSR Zam

[shadow wind]

It is yeah

[molten oasis]

i agree with that

[foggy lodge]

Is like you know it will do something atleast

[molten oasis]

bolt looks the most replacable imo

[shadow wind]

And I replace it

With Clefairy !!

[molten oasis]

you already have volc tho

[shadow wind]

Volc doesn't let me underspeed Ursaluna

[molten oasis]

ig tr could suck

pao pressures ursa pretty well though

[shadow wind]

A little bit I guess

[molten oasis]

they're tera ghost

but also they can get tr up pretty easily

[shadow wind]

They don't need to tera ghost really

[molten oasis]

hm

[molten oasis]

no but you can chunk with the ice move if it doesnt die

theres some pressure is what im saying

but if you're under tr its pretty bad

torkoal! /jk

could go hands

gives you fake out and some help into mirai CIR and ursa, just have to deal with speed ties

[foggy lodge]

No av

[molten oasis]

shit

[shadow wind]

Rilla perchance

[molten oasis]

no av

[shadow wind]

Rilla doesn't need AV

[bold geode]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2387694476
This dude is pretty fuckin high lol

[molten oasis]

well ig rilla can afford no av

while hands cant, that could work

stronger mirai mu and some prio spam with pao into ursa is good pressure

you gonna do miracle seed?

252+ Atk Miracle Seed Sword of Ruin Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ursaluna in Grassy Terrain: 204-240 (86 - 101.2%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO damn lmfao

would you have an issue going crash pao tho

cuz you'd have to going rilla

[shadow wind]

Ooh

Yeah nah, Rilla outta the picture

[molten oasis]

dude cmon

[shadow wind]

Ok maybe I cooked with the og 6

[foggy lodge]

As the most dumb idea would be Smeargle I think because you have ways to boost your restricteds damage and have fake out and just have the whole pandora box of Smeargle

[molten oasis]

ik you dont like missing but what are your options at this rate lol

[shadow wind]

100 straight elo !

[molten oasis]

very nice

[molten oasis]

lol

random bullshit go

[shadow wind]

I frickin hate smeargle

That little dog has caused me so many horrendous sets

[molten oasis]

ok so your options are

[foggy lodge]

I copied a Smeargle with Ditto today it was a snoozefest

[molten oasis]

no av hands, amoonguss/bonnet ig, going crash on pao and playing rilla, or just sticking with bolt

also jumpluff

[shadow wind]

Bolt does just insta solve a lot of MUs

[molten oasis]

not ursa

[shadow wind]

In a vacuum anyway

[foggy lodge]

Bolt is fine

Atleast you always have tclap pressure

[molten oasis]

i think tr is rough tho

[shadow wind]

At least in Ursa MUs I can lead Zacian Pao

[molten oasis]

inside tr you get fried i think

[foggy lodge]

TR MU is shit tho yeah

[shadow wind]

Sub actually helps a lot

[molten oasis]

mirai lunala also, yeaaaaa

[shadow wind]

Sub lets me stall out TR pretty much completely

[molten oasis]

sure, if they dont have incin

[shadow wind]

Sub stops fake out?

[molten oasis]

not parting shot

[shadow wind]

😔

I'll just crit

[molten oasis]

incin's an issue and incin's on every tr team lol

[shadow wind]

Groudon bulk up gaming !

[molten oasis]

that could work into ursa

[shadow wind]

But not into the Lunala 😔

[molten oasis]

i could see amoonguss being ok just for the tr mu

this is a rough duo lmao

[molten oasis]

aw hell nah

[shadow wind]

I'm getting sick of these HO teams

[molten oasis]

you'll win ez

[shadow wind]

Thank god wake is awesome !

[foggy lodge]

Bro wanted more Scovillain than Weezing😭

[molten oasis]

its cooler trust

[foggy lodge]

Its still scovillain man

[molten oasis]

but he's so cool look at him (i think that mon is really mid overall, design and all)

[shadow wind]

God forbid a guy for a prediction

[molten oasis]

lol

[shadow wind]

Also that's just toxic

[jade dust]

It is

[foggy lodge]

Yeah dude palossand is cool af too

[molten oasis]

lmao

[shadow wind]

And 1500

Yippee !

That game 100% came down to 50/50s

But that's the Groudon champ difference or whatever it was

Scovillian lowkey put in the works

Although actually this was in the sun and I'm not AV

Oh and in this MU I brought both dragons

So I don't know anymore

[molten oasis]

ig just keep the bolt then

[shadow wind]

Yeah Ion even know

Wake is a beautiful thing

Also these Bolt evs looks so off

Raging Bolt @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 196 HP / 252 SpA / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Thunderclap
• Thunderbolt
• Draco Meteor
• Protect

I feel lost without AV on bolt 😔

They just don't run goggles anymore huh

Maybe I do go to magnet or even lorb

Although lowkey goggles saved me this MU so who the heck knows

[molten oasis]

id go magnet

but goggles should be ok

[shadow wind]

Wake out of the sun hits like a wet rag

And I think I’m just going to keep the 2 dragons

They are both great in the sun

The lack of support on the team is a little concerning but that’s alright

Volc will just be that legendary

[jade dust]

My goodness Iron hands is so fat

My iron hands was at half HP and they only had miraidon left

They did a draco meteor and my iron hands didnt even get to red HP

From being around half HP

I won the 1v1 against miradon easily

[dusty bison]

Do you guys have any rental team with a galar articuno?

[jade dust]

I don’t think so, nobody really uses it cuz it’s not really good

The only one that I saw getting used was galar moltres in reg G

[solid frigate]

the problem is more like

Why do you wanna use it

[left bobcat]

Yeah it’s so bad

Bro get bodied by miraidon, the horses, hands, incin, dursh, and the list goes on

[solid frigate]

its not like the rental is the problem,its why do you want to use it

and what niche does it truly cover

if you know what niche can be covered,you can build the team around it

[jade dust]

I’m guessing he just likes it and would like to fit it in a team

But it’s very hard to fit it anywhere cuz it’s pretty bad and loses to everything

[left bobcat]

WTH did it get nerfed?

Stats look even lower than before

[jade dust]

Is freezing glare spread?

Or single target?

[solid frigate]

it is that bad

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 144: Articuno

Types

Ice/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Snow Cloak (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

90/85/100/95/125/85

Total

580

Other Formes

Articuno-Galar

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

tbf the stats are better than regular Artcuno

[jade dust]

Nah they are the same than in SwSh

[solid frigate]

Articuno suffered the Gen 1-3 Stat spread curse

so their stats are relatively weird

[jade dust]

Even after we had multiple mixed attackers

That suck very bad

[solid frigate]

but Galar cuno is more better now they know how to make a dedicated special attacker

cuz all Birds besides Galar dos are special attackers

[jade dust]

It has defiant so there is that

[solid frigate]

but outside resisting body press idk what Galar cuno does

[jade dust]

Not slowed down by intimidate

[solid frigate]

i guess you can run Galar Articuno with Dark Shifu

[jade dust]

With a defensive tera

Probably fire

Let’s see

Weak to ice, rock, dark, ghost and electric

Damn no tera really covers most weaknesses but at least make some neutral

It barely gets any coverage moves

It only gets shadow ball

Maybe tera dark to resist caly s and knock it out with shadow ball

[next stump]

Jamie Boyt ran tera ground but that was before the calyrex’s were added to the game

[next stump]

https://victoryroad.pro/2025-japan/

Japan nationals info has been posted

seems like the stream will start around 7:30PM EST

[left bobcat]

Damn didn’t know it was so meh

[next stump]

Went digging through old messages and June 27th, 2024 was the day last year that we got regional locations for 2024-2025. We actually had multiple earlier because Convention Centers leaked the locations by posting on their website (Baltimore, Lousiville, and San Antonio)

So it has to be soon, right???

[bold geode]

Hope so

[sterile raven]

I'm just hoping for another Baltimore regional lol.

I'd like to compete in one that close to home lmao.

[next stump]

you’re gonna get at least Pittsburgh or Baltimore for sure

they love that area

[real prairie]

I need to see this implemented into gen 10.

I wanna see someone rock up to a battle with tiny ass mons!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15tAS4JPvL/

[forest arrow]

NAIC New Orleans year 3?👀

[shadow wind]

These Miraidon Rillaboom teams are driving me up the wall

[forest arrow]

That Volc goes hard

[chrome knot]

they usually do multi year contracts

[forest arrow]

That’s cool, so close to home may actually get to go next year if it is

[real prairie]

That feels counter intuitive

[shadow wind]

It is !

[real prairie]

I know I've been out the game a while but that seems silly even to me haha

[chrome knot]

its not

you decide when opposing miraidon can deal damage, fake out & healing for qd volc

its not rocket science i fear

[next stump]

you gotta go, it’s the best tournament of the year (if you can handle the weather)

[real prairie]

Uturn volt switch spam I guess 🤷🏼‍♂️

[next stump]

the atmosphere of the city is awesome

[forest arrow]

I used to live in Louisiana that weather is home to me, I love the musk 🤣

[chrome knot]

it seems fun to get hammered in, if ur the sober friend its o k

[real prairie]

Not to be confused with the Elon

[forest arrow]

Okay I laughed out loud lol

[chrome knot]

idk i think scarf mirai volc rilla +3 is prob the worlds call

[shadow wind]

That's what I'm playin right now on ladder

[forest arrow]

The team is actually pretty decent

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/8e0e783d70f2c8d9 ive been using this and its been fun

[torn parrot]

Johngrou D. On claiming more victims

[forest arrow]

Double terrain isn’t unheard of, tapu teams had double terrain right?

[real prairie]

They already made one for @torn parrot

[torn parrot]

I’m 5’3

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-dance-cute-fluffy-gif-15415017485564982843

[next stump]

I don’t drink either but the food is so insanely good and the music/dancing is very fun

[real prairie]

It's the boots 👀😅

[forest arrow]

Nothing beats some good Cajun food ❤️

[next stump]

I didn’t have a single mediocre meal, all of it was sooooo good

I think I’d gain 50 lbs from living there

[real prairie]

And not the fact I meant to tag @chrome knot and tagged @torn parrot by mistake, sorry.

[forest arrow]

No one would blame you haha

My absolute favorite is Boudin and Cracklins but that’s like snacky stuff

[torn parrot]

It’s okay I like being included 🐇

[real prairie]

Also you have now confirmed you are a half-pint and that's super cute 🤣

We still reg I yeah? I might play about on ladder tonight, even if I have nothing to play for. I'm not seeing enough respect for my gal in these regionals

[next stump]

yep still Reg I 🙂 another month until we get a new format announcement

[shadow wind]

Game 3 so a little yeah

But they lost !!

!!!

In my defense that draco never killed and that crit didn't matter

[bold geode]

@chrome knot Emma we doing good again

[bold geode]

I personally like Eric Rios NAIC team

Idk if it's necessarily a call personally but I think it's solid as fuck and could probably get there

[exotic grotto]

Excellent! You have a lot of skill and dedication to reach such a high Elo!

[bold geode]

There's higher but yeah takes a bit for sure lol
Actually had good games too which I absolutely love

[bold geode]

Actually @next stump I gotta show one problem with SD ladder that I keep running into, idk how much you deal with it

[shadow wind]

I hate this game state

[bold geode]

YOU SEE THIS CRIMINAL ASS DIFFERENCE IN ELOS

[shadow wind]

You're complaining about up pairings?

[bold geode]

It happens so many times where people like 200 ELO above me pair into me
I think it's kinda fucked tbh

[shadow wind]

That's crazy to me

That's like a blessing dog

[bold geode]

Nah

They always kick my ass in these scenarios and like

[shadow wind]

Whatchu mean nah

And you lost nothing

[bold geode]

If I'm them I wouldn't even wanna play this

[shadow wind]

I will never complain about up pairings

It's so low risk high reward

[bold geode]

Cuz like if I'm them (which I have been a lot as well on that side, I've been the up pairing quite a few times)

[shadow wind]

Cause this is not worth it for me in the slightest

[bold geode]

You don't get shit for winning but see your first born get Thanos snapped if you lose

[shadow wind]

I have to play an entire bo3 set and have chance to miss every move just to gain 9 elo

I would one million times rather be up paired than down paired

And like if you lose while being up paired who cares, it's like 6-10 elo

[torn parrot]

How new is the ladder what the hell

Uhh

Is the ladder dying or something

[bold geode]

Anyways
Team I got
Gas

[latent leaf]

Where’s John kyogre

[foggy lodge]

Kinda

Season is over and a lot of people are just not playing

[torn parrot]

Arnt we in the middle of one

[foggy lodge]

Probably will revive next month for people to prep worlds or something

[foggy lodge]

But now the only tour left is worlds xd

[torn parrot]

No moar regionals?

[foggy lodge]

No

Only japan nats this weekend and I think the regular season is over

[torn parrot]

But there’s a whole month left

[solid frigate]

@real prairie AHEM

[torn parrot]

Wild

[foggy lodge]

2

[solid frigate]

John Ogre is the ludicolo guy

[foggy lodge]

Lol

[shadow wind]

Kyogre doesn't have anyone that uses him because they like him, they all use him for that water spout action

Unlike Groudon

[solid frigate]

Water Spout is my least clicked move lmao

[shadow wind]

If you're using Groudon you gotta love the dude

[shadow wind]

And you have the luxury of clicking it occasionally

[solid frigate]

honestly the reason because i keep using Miraidon not because its OP its more like i love that guy lmao

Robot Toothless is peak

[shadow wind]

Yknow my favourite pokemon does happen to be Calyrex Shadow Rider weird how that works

[latent leaf]

Oh yeah miraidon does look like toothless

[shadow wind]

How

Its head is incredibly narrow

[solid frigate]

Koraidon and Miraidon are like Toothless but not jet black and does not have disabiliaties

[real prairie]

Ey?

[solid frigate]

i guess its more like their personality

[solid frigate]

Bluetriggerfish is finding John Kyogre,might as well ping you

[real prairie]

Haha

I'm not tied to Kyogre

Might run hard TR politoed rain instead 👀🤣

[solid frigate]

and me questioning someone who use Discharge Miraidon with Tera Fairy with Kyogre

like i wanna cry

[foggy lodge]

Perish trap,,,

[real prairie]

I couldn't think of anything less fun personally

[solid frigate]

stall

in VGC

[shadow wind]

I mean that's what Leech seed lefties CIR is

[real prairie]

That is diabolically criminal

[solid frigate]

its actually not too bad to against

Kyogre Walls that shit

[real prairie]

All that Atk and it's gonna seed, GTFO

[solid frigate]

it won a regional with Kyogre

[real prairie]

(can you tell I'm an ultra offensive player)

[foggy lodge]

But all of that defense and only attack,,,

[real prairie]

I know I know, doesn't mean I have to like it

[solid frigate]

i mean i play two teams now

lemme get my list

[solid frigate]

fair enough,just saying

[real prairie]

Missed you too buddy haha

[solid frigate]

so far my progress

[foggy lodge]

Use Miraidon

[shadow wind]

Where's Groudon Zacian?

[real prairie]

Maybe, not sure how it'll fit with Ludicolo but can play about with it

[real prairie]

With you

[latent leaf]

Rayquaza Lunala?

[solid frigate]

not on the list,but its not gonna be high

[shadow wind]

Oh boy I just LOVE missing !

[foggy lodge]

Idk why that tier list has Lunala Rayquaza who tf is playing that lmao

[real prairie]

We know haha

[solid frigate]

someone

[foggy lodge]

If I found lunala rayquaza i'm popping off enjoying the free elo

[shadow wind]

Groudon Zacian + double draco !

[solid frigate]

foul play go brrrr

refering to maxi

[shadow wind]

What the heck just happened

[real prairie]

Genuinely think if it wasn't for tsareena and Kyogre missing I'd have hit 1700 🤣

Them 1% triple axel misses are a different pain

[solid frigate]

i did hit 1600 with Mirai Ogre (Without Fake Out,Redirection or Anti Prio)

[real prairie]

Remember only needing to hit my final attack and I was worried power whip would miss so I triple axeled only for it to hit once

[shadow wind]

I woulda hit 1600 if I was a better player !

Cause I take accountability

[solid frigate]

the funny move moment

[real prairie]

I hit 1600 with imprison CIR and scarf Kyogre before going into the final GC and absolutely flopping

[shadow wind]

Wait was this Bo1 or Bo3

[solid frigate]

i used Solgaleo Kyogre for GC lmfao

[shadow wind]

This too, Bo1 or Bo3

[solid frigate]

1500 3 times Bo1,1600 1 time bo1 ,1300 one time Bo3

[real prairie]

Bo1 as I was practicing for GC.

Bo3 I've capped out at 1500 but that was Reg G

[solid frigate]

btw my friend Nova draw me this while i was doing a blog and want a picture for it

[shadow wind]

I think I've played like 30 games on Bo1 this entire Reg

I honestly really hate it

[solid frigate]

i just test it throughly in Bo1 cuz i know people are gonna just throw teams into Bo1

Bo3 i only tested once cuz i know thats enough for validation

[shadow wind]

Bo1 feels like brainrot to me

[solid frigate]

honestly just get the team to 1300 and then play bo3 would be better

Like as a warm up

[foggy lodge]

X2

[sterile raven]

I honestly prefer Bo3. But I also haev extensive experience in competitive tcg's lol.

[foggy lodge]

Bo1 is such a bullshit format

[sterile raven]

Have*

[shadow wind]

Yuppers !

[foggy lodge]

Imagine being a japanese player and your worlds invite depends on bo1 tournaments

[solid frigate]

bo1 is just like

Hey lemme test out that team

[sterile raven]

I mean. That's how Bushiroad tcg's are.

[solid frigate]

they use Cart ladder more don't they?

[sterile raven]

Except there's no National level tournaments. Its just Regional --> Worlds.

[craggy dagger]

hm

196+ SpA Protosynthesis Raging Bolt Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Kyogre in Electric Terrain through Light Screen: 124-148 (59.9 - 71.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[solid frigate]

i thought that discussion is over lmao

[craggy dagger]

i’m still tryin

also discussion was about achu not bolt

[solid frigate]

i think my Kyogre does not gonna like it

[craggy dagger]

you don’t say…

[solid frigate]

activate tera grass jutsu lol

[craggy dagger]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Kyogre in Electric Terrain through Light Screen: 185-220 (89.3 - 106.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

Kyogre:I'm having a fucking stroke

[craggy dagger]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Kyogre in Electric Terrain through Light Screen: 169-200 (81.6 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[solid frigate]

bro is on electric chair and decided to say nuh uh

[craggy dagger]

the whale livessss

[solid frigate]

anyyways

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-miraidon-plush-spin-silly-gif-7447766115590536849

speen

[next stump]

anyone playing victory road this weekend?

[sterile raven]

Is that a tournament?

[next stump]

They’re a tournament organizer that hosts online tournaments, they usually have pretty good turnout

[solid frigate]

probably not,i'm busy

[bold geode]

Don't you love when you randomly remember you need to check a calc for something

[molten oasis]

I thought about it but I have to work

If they do one next month I’ll give it a go

[sterile raven]

Is it a specific day?

[molten oasis]

Saturday and Sunday this weekend

[sterile raven]

So, say that I had to work Saturday night, could I just play my matches sunday?

[bold geode]

+1 220 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Rider Helping Hand Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 196 SpD Tera-Water Calyrex-Ice Rider: 179-212 (86.4 - 102.4%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO
Damn I was getting fat high rolls LOL

[molten oasis]

No

[sterile raven]

Rip. Sucks to work in the restaurant industry then.

[foggy lodge]

I think the VRs are in the morning tho

Maybe you can play it, depends on your schedules

[sterile raven]

I gotcha. I mean, my team isn't ready now that I actually think about it.

[pulsar cloak]

I would, though IDK if I work Sunday or not in case if I day 2

[sterile raven]

I might try and make it work. Idk. Depends on how quick I can train up an Ursaluna.

[foggy lodge]

https://victoryroad.pro/vr-jun25-2/

It also has a entry fee so take that in consideration

But if you have no problem with it and can allow it absolutely go for it

[next stump]

Starts 9:00AM EST

8 rounds will take about 45-60 minutes per round

And you can always drop out early if you need to

[craggy dagger]

nope
what’s calcing?

[chrome knot]

playing off vibes

[real prairie]

I use bo3 or Bo1 dependent on what I'm practicing for ultimately

Anyway, when do we find out next season's calendar?

[solid frigate]

after worlds,but we have sneak peek for september to December times

[craggy dagger]

making ev spreads off vibes yes

[sterile raven]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2387442905 This was pretty fun to do. I dunno if i did it right.

[chrome knot]

playing the game off vibes

[latent leaf]

Chien pao is good with rayquaza right

[molten oasis]

@bold geode i summon you

[pulsar cloak]

Just put the Dragonite in the bag bro

[latent leaf]

No

[pulsar cloak]

In all reality yeah Pao is alright with Ray, but Dragonite basically does what Ray does w/o taking up a restricted slot

[latent leaf]

But rayquaza is cooler

[foggy lodge]

But Dragonite is cute

[latent leaf]

What if I just use them both

[foggy lodge]

Glacial lance is gonna be crazy

[latent leaf]

Ok rayquaza and chien pao what else

[bold geode]

What you want bitch

[molten oasis]

.

[bold geode]

Do you wanna win?

If you wanna win, do not use Rayquaza

[latent leaf]

I want to use it

[bold geode]

Suit yourself
Chien Pao and Rayquaza yeah but like
Rayquaza still kinda ass

You can also probably just
Ray CSR so like you're balancing out an ass restricted with a broken one

[shadow wind]

Repeatedly saying something sucks will not stop someone from using it if their goal is to just use it

[bold geode]

I mean yeah but like
I can still say it sucks, especially considering it's the truth

As someone who has used it before

[latent leaf]

At least rayquaza is kind of usable

[shadow wind]

Uhhh

[jade dust]

Rayquaza would be better if Fari wasn’t around. Swords dance extreme speed gets denied by the giraffe

[shadow wind]

Ion know bout that one

[shadow wind]

Farigiraf barely exists right now

[bold geode]

Rayquaza like
It's good against Koraidon and that's kinda it

But Koraidon has guys that can deal with Rayquaza so

[jade dust]

It doesn’t exist

[bold geode]

Really just eh?

[jade dust]

Got used so much it disappeared

[bold geode]

?

[shadow wind]

You don’t see many Farigirafs

[molten oasis]

fari's around rn

its not super common but its around

[shadow wind]

Lunala made it flip burgers for a lot of teams

[jade dust]

How so if Lunala can’t touch it

[shadow wind]

😭😭😭

[jade dust]

And a foul play still hurts

Forced to tera at least

[shadow wind]

Are we being for real

[molten oasis]

you cant add lunala to every team

[jade dust]

How does Lunala counter Fari

[bold geode]

3
17
28
33
41
49
54
57

[shadow wind]

Alright well Lunala Miraidon has a regional and NAIC so they kinda did

[molten oasis]

monke tf

[shadow wind]

62!

[bold geode]

Placements of teams in top 64 that had Farigiraf

[molten oasis]

im not saying every team needs either im saying theres a reason for farigiraf to exist

[shadow wind]

That’s a lot more than I expected

[bold geode]

I stopped at top 64

[shadow wind]

All the super successful teams have switched to Lunala is my point

[molten oasis]

id argue 3rd place is pretty damn successful

[bold geode]

They're using a different restricted duo than the ones Farigiraf is on, of course they'd swap to Lunala and drop Farig

[shadow wind]

And I’d consider NAIC and Milwaukee even more successful

[molten oasis]

if we could do 3 restrictds than yea lol

[shadow wind]

Anyway

[shadow wind]

Back to this comment

[molten oasis]

but i think fari can work on certain duos that, cant, use nala lol

dont use the term counter

theres not really many "counters" to things mostly checks

[bold geode]

Counters Meteor Beam sets only really

[jade dust]

I’m pretty sure Fari can live a meteor beam

If trained max HP and half and half defenses

[molten oasis]

its hard to ohko fari with aneutral hit

[shadow wind]

Kyogre can do it 😔😔

[bold geode]

It does then it walls Lunala cuz Moongeist only attack

[shadow wind]

God forbid Groudon have ANYTHING

[molten oasis]

ok, thats kyogre lmao

[jade dust]

Exactly

[real prairie]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2388032574-692ykctaq8bk6i4o9bh1ofo4qxfgqwmpw

First game back 😄

[craggy dagger]

huh?

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2388041468

I think I had good positioning in this game. I got their mons in checkmate multiple times

They had rillaboom who is very annoying for my team but I caught it

[shadow wind]

How did that Incin live a +1 high horsepower

[solid frigate]

+1 212+ Atk Calyrex-Ice High Horsepower vs. 244 HP / 188+ Def Incineroar: 170-202 (84.5 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Probably a Physically bulky Incin idk

[jade dust]

Not sure lol

Probably more invested into def than usual

My caly is max HP and max atk btw

[shadow wind]

I hate those incins

Like one Draco and they’re done but they don’t care

They just want to make Zama miserable

[foggy lodge]

All incins that are not av die to draco

:v

[shadow wind]

Nah they could be running 252 hp spdef but they never do

It’s always 252 hp and def

[foggy lodge]

252 SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Incineroar in Electric Terrain: 193-228 (95.5 - 112.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

[bold geode]

Good thing no Miraidon throws a Draco into Incineroar

[foggy lodge]

Exactly because they just electro drift into it

Which does the same

[bold geode]

Yeah just Drift or Volt Switch

[shadow wind]

Careful nature

[bold geode]

I actually one game had my Incin live a Drift on 1 HP

ACTUALLY
My Incineroar lived a fucking double up on 1 HP another game that just sealed shit

Incineroar is the fucking goat dude

Speaking of which, I need to take the extra Wolfe's Incineroar I have and train it for my team LOL

[shadow wind]

Groudon has lived so many times on 1 or 2 for no reason

[bold geode]

Incineroar was Bug tera and lived a Bolt Dragon Pulse and Zam Body Press, bro definitely clicked Fake Out with a limp

[shadow wind]

Jesus

[bold geode]

Yeah that mfer was definitely in range

[shadow wind]

Bolt dpulse is sick with cowardice

[bold geode]

But this is the first time I actually like
Cared about markings cuz like

[bold geode]

I have to choose between Wolfe's Incineroar and Incineroar the Unrivaled

[craggy dagger]

there’s a clear choice…

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/50-cent-whathesaidfuckmefor-fuck50-gif-25306610

[craggy dagger]

[shadow wind]

I wish I had the gen 3 games so I could get a really cool Groudon

[bold geode]

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2388117029-3ar57etk8ixgmjg2xj1xa8v9vr8x6fwpw

[molten oasis]

Ran into a full starter team lmao

[shadow wind]

Bro is NOT Wolfe Glick

That replay I just sent

Might be bottom 5 games I've ever been apart of

[molten oasis]

lol

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2388120103-txqy2eqfr7xi6rroyj5mj0f2cay481ypw

Man what is going on

And teams are going back to Reg G brain rot

Weezing Dozo around every corner

[next stump]

the only people left on ladder are the grinders

[shadow wind]

And somehow all they want to do is play Dozo weezing tspikes stall

And they're always the luckiest people in the world what the heck

Triple protect? Are we being real here

[stone trellis]

Oh wow, 1 in 9? Truly godly luck.

[shadow wind]

Dang people are just getting double protects all over the place

Zama wide guard into successful protect

[dense latch]

damn now i really don't wanna come near bo3 ladder

[foggy lodge]

Ok I have a puzzle of a replay I made

Some people here already know the answer but for the ones who don't

What you do in this spot
No fake out for Hands
Koraidon is faster than urshifu but Miraidon is faster due to tailwind
Whimsi with 50% HP is in the back
Lunala has not been revealed but it's in the back
They only have a life orb CSR in the back

[molten oasis]

OOH OOH I KNOW!

[foggy lodge]

Oh and Miraidon is not locked in any move and shifu is sash

[molten oasis]

/jk

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[dense latch]

can korai protect?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

And urshifu can't atleast safely

Encore whims is in the back tho

[shadow wind]

Who’s trying to win here?

[foggy lodge]

Me

Mirai

[molten oasis]

No the other guy wants to win

[dense latch]

can mirai tera and into what

[foggy lodge]

Oh the teras

[shadow wind]

Yeah cause Dgleam would be the best option

You need that hands dead

[dense latch]

bc low kick + protect korai looks kinda threatening here

[foggy lodge]

Tera fairy specs mirai
Tera stellar shifu
Tera dark whims
Tera water lunala

[shadow wind]

Yeah just Tera the Miraidon and Dgleam + CC the hands

[dense latch]

i would tera fairy edrift into korai and switch whim in

[shadow wind]

And then they predict that and click wild charge

[dense latch]

covers the protect + low kick bc i can just encore the turn after

[foggy lodge]

It's a good one

[shadow wind]

It’s not really a puzzle as there’s more than one correct answer and it all depends on what they do

[foggy lodge]

I went for a different play to cover the read but its a good play

[shadow wind]

Unlike the VGCpuzzles channel where there’s a set controlled environment

[foggy lodge]

This is searching the safe play

[dense latch]

yea those scenarios are really hard to come by tbf

there's always gonna be some play that covers yours in most cases

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah they rarely ever actually happen

[dense latch]

vgc puzzles is rly cool tho

[shadow wind]

I play by vibes so I’m terrible at just saying the safest play

[dense latch]

maxi what was your play btw

[foggy lodge]

||wicked blow volt switch into korai||

[dense latch]

is it bad that i forgot urshifu breaks through protect

[foggy lodge]

It always gets me damage and if it protects I can just enter with whimsicott and go for encore wicked covering the CSR switch

[dense latch]

made me realize i havent used the guy in a while

[shadow wind]

Healing ?

[molten oasis]

I found my own play for this but I was close to what he was going for

[foggy lodge]

If miraidon crashes into the protect and hands kos mirai urshifu gets wicked blow damage into koraidon

And then I enter with whimsicott and go for encore wicked

And if miraidon crashes into protect korai and hands kos shifu is the same but tailwind volt switch

Depending of korai protecting or not you enter with lunala or whimsi

[solid frigate]

my play is too risky

when i attempt the question

[lofty tartan]

[dense latch]

maybe i should just stop laddering

[molten oasis]

That’s awful lmao

[dense latch]

my luck these past two days has been insanely bad

but we ball

[shadow wind]

Hey you got the flame body burn !

[bold geode]

What you up to?

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/8d0d120c917d1be4

I found this at NAIC 5-3

Diego what are you doing

[molten oasis]

Tf lmao

Kingambit and torkoal is some crazy work

What’s with the imprison stuff

[dense latch]

diego has some insane beef with protect

that zama set is crazy

[pulsar cloak]

His usual hard trick room things

He's been running that CIR set for forever, though he made a deep run at Worlds '24 with it and won a regional with it as well

[foggy lodge]

Yea i know but

That zama set lol

The CIR is super standard

[pulsar cloak]

He ran Iron ball Ogre at a LATAM regional earlier in the regulation

[foggy lodge]

Yea I saw that

My friend beated him at Santiago

[pulsar cloak]

there's a lot of other insane looking teams with a 5-3 record at NAIC

like this https://pokepast.es/36e34394b9a6d4f7

[molten oasis]

Iron moth??? Lmao

[foggy lodge]

SNORLAAAAAX

[dense latch]

there’s a snorlax on my screen

[pulsar cloak]

made day 2 on a different team

also found this 5 mon team at 5-3 https://pokepast.es/d3fb268350937809

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/marc0fier0/status/1935827124729876550

marcofiero (@marc0fier0)

Losing finals of Gdansk, Toronto, NAIC and Worlds 2025

X · Jun 19, 2025, 10:28 PM

[molten oasis]

Brondoesn’t need a 6th

[foggy lodge]

Crazy that Marco has 4 top 2 tournaments only in this season

[pulsar cloak]

This also had a win-and-in https://pokepast.es/f5e92fa5bde1e02c

it's kinda insane that Ho-Oh disappeared after the first Reg I regionals in NA and EU

[next stump]

where were there opponents during my NAIC

[solid frigate]

F

[next stump]

nothing too weird at all

weirdest thing was R11 against specs CSR + talonflame + gothitelle

[pulsar cloak]

I remember seeing that team after they dropped after day 1

[next stump]

it's a super cool team but unfortunately it had 0 ways to deal with scarf miraidon + farigiraf

[molten oasis]

Scarf Mirai and Fari goes hard lol

[pulsar cloak]

also that schedule does not look easy, Emilio R3 is nuts

[dense latch]

what was your resistance? looks super strong

[pulsar cloak]

honestly can't wait to start going to events next season

[next stump]

IIRC like 63%? It was just below the number needed for earning money at 9-3 record