competitive_discussion

[left bobcat]

Gholdengo looks like string cheese

[molten oasis]

we all realized this like week 1 lmao

[left bobcat]

….

[lofty tartan]

It's one reason why I love Gholdengo.

He's the string cheese guy

But yeah we all knew

[left bobcat]

[molten oasis]

i love gholdengo, hes just a guy

who looks like string cheese

[left bobcat]

But does bro taste like string cheese

[solid frigate]

no

it taste like Metal Poisoning /j

[left bobcat]

Hmmmm

Same thing

As long as it doesn’t taste like a job application

[chrome knot]

sat next to sierra dawn on flight home and got cooked in game before we landed😭😭

[molten oasis]

oof

[exotic grotto]

Is Sierra Dawn a Pokémon VGC Caster?

[chrome knot]

yaes

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2386258564-ft7jxo2jmwrmybb6wtlbvu5xr2phv13pw

What was this game lmao

One of the fastest games I ever had

[exotic grotto]

Thank you!

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2386274149

What to do when your trick room is about to end

Here the answer

[lean ridge]

I had a feeling I was about to witness the double trick room

[jade dust]

Mhm

Very often people will protect both

In the last trick rom turn

So if you double trick room you start fresh again

[lean ridge]

Yea I’ve used it before on ladder it’s pretty funny when it works out 😭

[molten oasis]

I never not attack with something if a double tr is threatened

[jade dust]

Its a 50/50 pretty much, you either lose a mon or let double trick room happen

[molten oasis]

Yea

[jade dust]

Letting double trick room happen is worse tho

If you still have something in the back attacking is better

[bold geode]

@rustic mountain saw this one guy in Taco Bell with a Shai shirt on

Walked by him as I was leaving and said "Pacers in 6" just to fuck with em

[dense latch]

tj mcconnell >> shai

[bold geode]

Keep in mind I haven't kept track of the finals as I could give a fuck less

I'm on demon time

[dense latch]

pacers are on a good run in the third

tj mcconnell balling out again

honestly best finals set in a while so far

[jade dust]

Omg caly ice mira mirrors are everywhere

Its getting annoying

I have won them most of the time but I want to see other teams

[molten oasis]

Imagine being a CSR Zama player

[jade dust]

That one I hate if they have Rilla

If not rilla then its still hard but way less cancerous

[drowsy comet]

Hello guys im teambuilding with a really fun core of Kyogre+Calyice+Sinistcha

And I also added indeedee and I just am stuck on how to finish it

can you guys help me?

[jade dust]

Tornadus might be a good option unless you want hard trick room

[foggy lodge]

Sounds fun

Urshifu is kinda of a must in those teams

Or Basculegion

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/e8e9982da1faba69

[jade dust]

Another mira caly ice

[dense latch]

this was the best performing caly ice kyogre team at naic, have a look @drowsy comet

[drowsy comet]

Thanks dude :D

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/ef1da263da040719 this is also an option

[drowsy comet]

Iron Jugulis is showing up a lot, can you explain why

[foggy lodge]

Tailwind + quark drive and flying and dark coverage

[dense latch]

it's a good tailwind setter for rain teams, a bit more offensive coverage than torn with hurricane and slows down csr pagos and lunala with snarl

[foggy lodge]

Is similar to Roaring Moon

Also ground inmunity

[drowsy comet]

actually i am having trouble with csr and i was searching for a tailwind setter

[foggy lodge]

For Landorus that is kind of a problem for example

[drowsy comet]

maybe this is it!

also urshifu as you said is sort of a must have

but then i dont really have anything other than calyice in trick room

[dense latch]

that's where amoong helps more than anything

[foggy lodge]

Amoonguss is also good but you already have Sinistcha

Kyogre kind of solves like half of Amoonguss's problems

[drowsy comet]

ya sinistcha is one of my fav mons and im trying to figure out how to use it

[dense latch]

it's an alright option

[foggy lodge]

Maybe calm mind Kyogre

[drowsy comet]

yeah thats what im running

[foggy lodge]

Like the pagos miraidon sinistcha teams

[molten oasis]

I’d just suggest the Pagos Mirai team tbh

[foggy lodge]

I tried that team this morning

[dense latch]

how was it

[foggy lodge]

Got critted by a body press and then a glacial lance and dropped the team

[dense latch]

lol

[foggy lodge]

The biggest problem I think is like

Pagos already suffers from crits

Any team that plays like set up suffers from them

But this team suffers them a lot more because the only recovery is Sinistcha so

Tera shell doesn't come that often to soften the crit

[dense latch]

any time i play vs pagos they get the crits

[foggy lodge]

I was using just the spread of a youtuber

[drowsy comet]

oh and for the jugulis should i do 252 evs in speed and spa or should i distribute them to defenses as well

[foggy lodge]

Also it was the Iron Valiant variant

Which after using I can say Valiant needs coaching otherwise is just a wide guard bot

[dense latch]

Warranty (Iron Jugulis) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 95
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 236 HP / 36 Def / 68 SpA / 68 SpD / 100 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hurricane
• Snarl
• Tailwind
• Protect

this is what the second team i sent used

[drowsy comet]

alright for some reason i cant see the EVs thanks

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu over Valiant was the correct change for NAIC imo

[molten oasis]

No valid lmfao

[foggy lodge]

Like Cicciot did

[molten oasis]

That’s brutal

[rustic mountain]

too bad it couldve been if pacers didnt suck these past 2 games

[dense latch]

there is no excuse for this

[molten oasis]

Anything new with you

[bold geode]

ASS

HASSIBURTON

[zenith pond]

why is walking wake used over raging bolt in koraidon teams

[bold geode]

Can get boosts from Sun and Rain
Water Dragon good typing
Honestly the speed is a big plus too
Can nuke Incineroar off the earth
Few reasons

[jade dust]

Walking wake is very good

It outspeeds caly shadow in sun

And can use snarl to lower its damage and its a 2HKO

It deals like 60% of its HP in one snarl

hydro steam is an amazing move as well

[foggy lodge]

Depends on what you want tbh Raging Bolt also helps into Kyogre a lot more

[rustic mountain]

just been chillin man, been having a nice break from vgc not gna lie

[molten oasis]

thats good

[rustic mountain]

yea like this is just not alright, especially on a night u had good contributions from other guys

[rustic mountain]

hbu

[molten oasis]

mostly chillin, finally settled on a team i think im gonna commit to ingame

[rustic mountain]

nice

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/17733f8f38a71a85 this hit 1600 with like, 70 gxe

and its fun

[rustic mountain]

yea i was running scarf mirai a bit w/ tofu in reg g 2, its def interesting, glad to see it picking up

[molten oasis]

i initially was really hesitant on it for zac but

its a major help into the scarf mons and CSR

which, zac dies to typically

and also lets me not slot tw, which is usually a wrench in my building

[rustic mountain]

yea tw is kinda meh once formats get settled

[molten oasis]

HO to start then balance, typical format shifting lol

[sterile raven]

So, I started messing with a team and I really like it so far.

[next stump]

what are you using?

[next stump]

https://x.com/steeltrainer_/status/1934785966700679668?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Ty 'SteelTrainer' (@SteelTrainer_)

Hello! My name is Ty and I make way too many spreadsheets. I've been recording data on my entire 2025 VGC Season. Now that we're at the end of the season, I wanted to share some insights about year, the teams I used, and what the finances looked like for those starting out 🧵

X · Jun 17, 2025, 1:31 AM

Very cool thread

[chrome knot]

everyone posting season recaps and shit and im kinda here with

[next stump]

next year is gonna go hard

[chrome knot]

maybe

[lofty tartan]

YEAH IT IS

I saw a rumor about a leak for event locations for 2026

[chrome knot]

find a way out of this mental block ill be good, otherwise i fear for the same mediocrity

[lofty tartan]

You guys are gonna be seeing a lot of me

[chrome knot]

its not reaaallll

[lofty tartan]

Don't kill my hype

[chrome knot]

there was like 7 places in Illinois

[next stump]

mika i fear that was a bait by a new england player

[lofty tartan]

The one I saw didn't have 7 places in Illinois

But I knew it was a rumor anyway.

[next stump]

I am actually kinda mad they havent said anything yet

when you think about it, september 1st is pretty close...

[lofty tartan]

I'm getting there.

But either way you'll see a lot of me

I took a new job. It pays extremely well.

Day 7 I was offered a promotion to night supervisor

So I'll be making about 24/hr

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

[chrome knot]

detroit regional pls

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna be flush with funds for Pokémon regional hopping

[chrome knot]

20min drive and i get to sleep in my owwnnn bed

[lofty tartan]

I get all the overtime I can handle

I swear to god though. They need to tap Bangor Maine

We have a 50k square foot convention center by the waterfront

And Bangor is a hype tourist destination.

[waxen dock]

for me my closest regional is not even in my continent

[next stump]

I would love something in that general area

the food is delicious

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I work for Downtown Bangor so I work with city officials daily. They're huge on trying to generate more foot traffic around the city

It's their ultimate goal.

[chrome knot]

👍

[lofty tartan]

We've been dealing with the homeless crisis out here too

Man I get to crush out Pokémon go from my office. 5 stops and a gym within sitting distance.

[next stump]

time to start your PoGo PVP arc

[lofty tartan]

It seems like it.

I walk like 30k steps a day at work

[next stump]

It does genuinely seem pretty fun to play at a regional but when VGC is the alternative...

the only draw for me would be that there are like 30 people competing at a regional

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I use go as a shiny catching simulator

[next stump]

so chances of doing well are pretty decent

soooo good for shiny legendaries

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it really is.

And otherwise hard to come by things

I've gotten a few kubfus just doing minimal things

Hype for Volcanion ticket though

I need more people to send gifts to

[chrome knot]

@next stump team recap for real, record was irrelevant

but im almost certain for each event i brought the right team i just lacked the prep

[next stump]

Those all look like hella solid teams

good meta calls

[chrome knot]

🫡ty goat

[bold geode]

[waxen dock]

Did you qualify for worlds?

[chrome knot]

no

[next stump]

Typed this up for a friend that was curious. Random but maybe helpful for people planning 2026 season (assuming we have the same Worlds system):

947 Points was the bar for Worlds in NA, going to make it 950 just for simplicity's sake. Let's figure out realistic finishes required to reach that bar after a full season:

Locals

Absolutely need to be maxed out if you are taking Worlds seriously as a "regular" player (i.e. not a pro top cutting multiple tournaments). 260CP from Locals if you max 4 of each.

GC's

Very difficult to have uniform finishes for these compared to in-person tournaments. But again, if you're an average player you need to maximize these. I think 3 Top 128 finishes is pretty reasonable for someone aiming to make Worlds, which would equal 195CP.

Regionals

With a combined BFL of 5 for Regionals and Internationals, I'm going to assume that anyone seriously trying for Worlds is attending at least 4 Regionals & their home regions IC. With that said, you're going to need to make probably 3/4 Day 2's if you want Worlds without a Top 8. Something like:

Top 32 @ 1 Regional = 125CP
Top 64 @ 2 Regionals = 200CP
Top 128 @ 1 Regional = 80CP

Internationals

Hugely important tournament for Worlds if you're aiming to barely qualify. With the finishes above, you're at 860CP. A Top 256 at an International will net 100CP and only requires a strong 5-3 record or any Day 2 record which isn't the hardest if you're aiming to make Worlds.

All in all, that will equal 960CP 😄 Hardest part is staying consistent and missing any of these finishes means having to make it up somewhere else (either with another tournament or a better finish elsewhere

[bold geode]

Pinning that for now, will add it to a document later

[chrome knot]

🫡

i will be there no matter what

[waxen dock]

I hope there is the leaderboard thing and not a minimum number of points to qualify for worlds

[next stump]

The leaderboard ends up being harder, but it depends on what you want

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/475d8a1bc74dd861 thoughts on scarf mirai here? specs has felt nice so far but i've been thinking of trying scarf for a bit here

[waxen dock]

In this year if i got cp for my gc results i could have qulifiesld for worlds but with the minimup points i couldn't qualify for worlds

[next stump]

Specs Miraidon is really only better into CSR/Zama in my experience, which this team can already handle decently well.

[next stump]

Are you in one of the younger age divisions? Because that's not possible if you're 16 or older

[molten oasis]

I like scarf Mirai rn

Outspeeding CIR is awesome

[dense latch]

yea qd volc goes crazy there

snarl would be nice too now that i dropped struggle bug on volc

[chrome knot]

t125 NA

i think 900cp bar is kinda insane but cool if ur in the running to keep wanting to improve yourself and show you deserve to be there type shit

[next stump]

I like fixed bars just so that people know what to aim for, but Top 125 or Top 150 definitely makes that easier too

[dense latch]

watching so many competitors stressing out like crazy for the invites stressed me out too, i imagine the uncertainty makes it a lot worse

also does anyone have a good scarf mirai spread

[molten oasis]

Miraidon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 68 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Modest Nature

• Electro Drift
• Volt Switch
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl

[gentle crag]

Result: 267.000000

[molten oasis]

I don’t remember what exactly that does

Oh it creeps wake

[waxen dock]

How do you even get the invatation itself? Do they send this to your email?

[molten oasis]

Then max spA, and hp dump @dense latch

[next stump]

Yeah they email you if you place high enough

Then you register on RK9

[dense latch]

tyty

[gentle crag]

eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[dense latch]

what mus do you think scarf improves?

[next stump]

I am happy to have scarf for matchups like CSR/Zama, Scarf Kyogre, CSR/Koraidon (mostly not needed but is nice safety plan)

maybe a couple others I am forgetting

But I think specs is substantially better against CIR/Kyogre, opposing Miraidon mirrors, and other random matchups like Groudon and all that

I have never ever played against Miraidon/Zama even in my NAIC testing so I honestly can't say how much it helps there

[solid frigate]

i might change to a Korai Lunala main

i'll Put Mirai Ogre in my shelf for now

[dense latch]

wait did you mean scarf or specs in the original message

[next stump]

I mean scarf in message 1 and specs in message 3

[chrome knot]

having an everchanging bar makes the competition more interesting at least

however is stressful asf

[dense latch]

thanks (:

[next stump]

you're welcome 😄 happy to answer anything about my boy scarf miraidon

[dense latch]

yea i’m just trying to find the best set for my team

honestly have even considered av and dropping hands since i’m not bringing the latter much in testing

[chrome knot]

ngl thinking scarf miraidon is best mon heading into worlds

[solid frigate]

Miraidon nerf is inevitable

[spiral ridge]

It feels really good I’m ngl

[molten oasis]

Yes

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/64bf802659f9b078 could I get your thoughts on this? It’s felt strong and flexible just curious if theres smth I should worry about, mu wise

Been climbing a lot with it but I could have just been dodging bad mu’s

[next stump]

It looks good to me, have you played against Kyogre? How does that go?

I could see maybe tailwind kyogre being a bit annoying

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen a few kyogre

I think it’s just been improtant to pressure it with Mirai and take hearth to protect it from zacian

Pao also gives me prio into it

It hasn’t been too hard but I can definitely see like, tornogre being pretty tricky if I position poorly

[spiral ridge]

Torn ogre would prob need to be pao mirai lead and do some volt switch things

[molten oasis]

Yea

Vswitch torn and ruination/sucker punch ogre probably

[chrome knot]

@next stump off szn playing ur team are u still 0spe cir ?

also can I catch ur worlds team for you so you're not bringing unoptimized IVs 😭

[solid frigate]

i love low ladder

[ornate bridge]

does lunanla get expanding force

[solid frigate]

yes but not a psyspam mon

in this format at least it wants to be utility

[ornate bridge]

lowkey though what if i run it as a psyspam mon

with like tr, eforce, meteor beam, moongeist, and put it next to indeedee

i've been running psyspam with caly-s but my only speed control is trick room, so i think this could work

[chrome knot]

this was on my flight home yday low ladder is funny asf

[ornate bridge]

low ladder is so silly i agree

[solid frigate]

low ladder is just there

Like its somehow the hardest to break away

Random battle knowledge save me lmao

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2386800730-plxo4xig4xad7lu231xwpp3mgw2o5xqpw

Wtf lmao

[craggy dagger]

that would explain all the shitty MUs i keep on facing

[solid frigate]

what am i looking at

[craggy dagger]

double sun

[solid frigate]

i'll show you the replay later

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2386803021

[molten oasis]

What mu’s exactly

Something I should know

[craggy dagger]

just a bunch of niche things

while on paper the MUs suck-
i’m able to play around most of it

hence why i’m currently 13-2 with that team

[next stump]

yes 0SPE and LOL yes please

[chrome knot]

lmfaoooo

just give me like a week or 2 notice

or whenever u decide to commit on something

[next stump]

lunala is great on indeedee psyspam if you want to go that route

[molten oasis]

Hype

[strange fjord]

I am the silly that is in low ladder rn

[bold geode]

I fought like 4 non restricted teams in a row yesterday in low ladder LMAO

[molten oasis]

In a row is some crazy work

[bold geode]

Yeah lemme test my team today into the meta stuff
Fights SD Gliscor

[torn parrot]

guys why are the guys running leech seed

you know the guys

https://tenor.com/view/horse-gif-13449701

im genuinely curious about this adaptation

[torn parrot]

PIZZZAAAAAA HELLA

NICE TEAM

[molten oasis]

CSR not as much but leech seed CIR gives you a better mu into zama I believe

It’s also really hard to get rid of

[torn parrot]

ohhhh thats interesting thank you

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to drayagedrago

[molten oasis]

Emma played it so I’d ask her about it but

That’s what I’ve heard and would assume

[bold geode]

Basically with Ice Rider, it swings it's bad MUs in its favor cuz like
Basically only thing I think immune to Leech Seed is maybe Grass types? Which Calyrex just blasts away with Lance
Basically you just outlive like Zamazenta or other bad MUs
Shadow Rider had a Leech Seed set that got like top 8 in NAIC, tbh I don't get it at all there

[molten oasis]

There ya go

I knew for the most part it was a major help for zama

[foggy lodge]

I'm actually running leech seed CSR

With substitute

[molten oasis]

Gross

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2386939394

[dense latch]

tailwind into trick room into reversing trick room is definitely a play of all time by your opponent

ig they were trying to read you setting it up but it looks hilarious

[solid frigate]

i actually did that once forgot i did not click follow me

[rustic mountain]

torrent u make tier lists out of the most random things

[solid frigate]

exactly

[rustic mountain]

like ur not even ranking wat u tried in relation to its strength, just this is what i play, what i dont and what i wont

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

[solid frigate]

i did make one based on how good it is but whatever honestly

I just kinda only stucking playing 2 teams that are remotely workable with me

[rustic mountain]

thats fine the tier list for it is just funny

[solid frigate]

also yes before you question i did tried all the discontinued teams

[rustic mountain]

i assumed

[solid frigate]

ZacOgre is the closest one to go into first tier but i kinda forgot

[rustic mountain]

swordfish is so fake

holy shit top 128 at naic

shieldfish is just better

[solid frigate]

no wonder i fucking dropped it lmao

[rustic mountain]

lol

[solid frigate]

now i just Bike Gang with Kyogre and Lunala cheering up

[rustic mountain]

i think id mostly agree

s tier and a tier for sure

i think mirai/pagos has done well to actually warrant a ranking over some of these others especially the b tier

which i think half of those or atleast 2 should hit c tier

[foggy lodge]

This tier list didn't have miraipagos

I still think miraipagos is kinda fake

Pagos in general

[rustic mountain]

thats fair

[foggy lodge]

I think Cicciot is just incredibly good with this like set up slow bulky teams

[rustic mountain]

cicciot is just incredibly good
u couldve just ended it there

[solid frigate]

Koraidon Pagos winning NAIC in one of the divisions remain cursed yet happy for me

Pagos finally won something in NA EU scene

[foggy lodge]

Lol yeah

But it's like you can even see that

Cicciot just kinda comfort diffs people when

[rustic mountain]

right

[foggy lodge]

When Marco used the same team at Bologna he didn't make day 2

[rustic mountain]

thomas irwin also got top 16 w/ it tho

[foggy lodge]

And Marco is also one of pagos strongest soldiers

[foggy lodge]

Ah yeah with waterpon

[rustic mountain]

yeh

similar comp tho

[foggy lodge]

Yeah same 5

What rotates is the shifu

[rustic mountain]

yep

i get it but its the best pagos duo rn in terms of results

even if pagos is in question which im not sold on it either

[solid frigate]

Bikes+Pagos moment

[solid frigate]

Pagos is weird in this format

[rustic mountain]

gta make the current legends good

[solid frigate]

like it can be super good yet super ass

[foggy lodge]

I think Lunala Miraidon is better

Lunala calm mind with rilla

[rustic mountain]

it is

[solid frigate]

bro is gonna stop bitching about Miraidon team with Rillaboom

[rustic mountain]

thats the issue is its consistency

[foggy lodge]

But yeah I was watching alex Gómez talk about the pagos teams

[solid frigate]

i guess Pagos won NAIC in one of the younger divisions is kinda hype in NA
Bro finally won something after Kyogre

[rustic mountain]

its something lol

[foggy lodge]

And said that Cicciot's team was like good but mainly depended on Cicciot's comfort

Obviously including also Thomas Irwin

And the other pagos players

[rustic mountain]

i think comforts important but if the duo was bad they wouldnt of both gotten so far

u can only player diff so much at an internats

[solid frigate]

And Zacian won VR Challenge in Zac Ogre so

Yeah all the meta restricteds won at least once

(We don't talk about Groudon)

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

I don't think is bad but

I can't see pagos winning

[rustic mountain]

nah man we cant be counting vr results like that swordfish aint won shit

[rustic mountain]

id agree

its def a b tier duo

[foggy lodge]

Also I think

[rustic mountain]

s and a tier are the guys u expect to win

[foggy lodge]

Miraidon Pagos just outclassed Pagos CSR

[rustic mountain]

b tier is like day 2 maybe top cut, c tier is like holy fuck if u even day 2 w/ this and anything below is just not gna yield u good results imo

[solid frigate]

ok then no Zacian

Zacian is the only one did not win anything as meta restricted

[rustic mountain]

im not saying vr results are nothing but u cant put it w/ irl tours

[foggy lodge]

I actually was expecting Groudon CIR Pluff to appear at NAIC

But Koraidon CSR Pluff ended up doing okay

[rustic mountain]

oh yea

thats 1 i think could go down a tier

[solid frigate]

Groudon moment

[foggy lodge]

But after NAIC and seeing Groudon nowhere I realized

Groudon is fake lol

[rustic mountain]

top 64 is its best result

a few top 128s, seems about right

[foggy lodge]

Ig

Oh also Koraidon Miraidon was something I thought would appear

But the best was electric seed Koraidon with body press lmao

Its a super fun team tho

[rustic mountain]

wow lol

oh leonard ran that ofc haha

[solid frigate]

and then there's that other bike team

[rustic mountain]

esms?

[foggy lodge]

Oh that one too lmao

Esm is one of the builders of all time

[rustic mountain]

he usually cooks

im unsure on this recent one but he seems to stand by it

[foggy lodge]

Which regionals did he win?

[solid frigate]

+4 Koraidon go brrrrrr

[rustic mountain]

he won sac i think

[dense latch]

dawob destroyed me with his team on a room tour lmao

[rustic mountain]

damn

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

Do you have a replay

I need to see it

[dense latch]

i lost it bc i had to leave like right after that game

[foggy lodge]

Noooo

[dense latch]

i rushed through the end a bit as a result

i maybe could’ve done a bit better

[foggy lodge]

But how did he win

Body press oneshot?

[dense latch]

tera fire eseed koraidon kinda just slowly wore me down

treads bullied my miraidon

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense

[dense latch]

he got screens up and shit was too bulky

[foggy lodge]

I wonder why ability shield Incin too

Like was the weezing koraidon MU that bad lol

And even then like Koraidon still OHKOs Incin at -1 with collision

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[torn parrot]

I actually just saw this in a replay conner sent
Wacky stuff

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2386868849-3tn8xaysitqdvqmtx3ivhgnery2hl5spw

Wacky wacky

I would hate to play against this and be a zama player

[bold geode]

Nasty Plot over Encore on that Calyrex and you could probably have a whole different ball game

[cosmic warren]

I threw my ditto into someone’s +3 caly spot last night. Tera normal astral barrage GG thanks for the 3rd restricted

[torn parrot]

https://youtu.be/fjSZIipVkhA?si=54sCr9mAk8OQTW9f

Honestly I’m surprised it took this long for pokemon to spawn a genre

[left bobcat]

Who’s THAT pokemon

[foggy lodge]

I love Ditto

[molten oasis]

Ditto is bros favorite Mon, that isn’t treads

[foggy lodge]

Yes

Is fun to use it

[molten oasis]

Which is valid

[sterile raven]

So, I had an idea. Can someone take a look at this and tell me if its bad? https://pokepast.es/f32f6a4eeabd7f14

[solid frigate]

@molten oasis

[molten oasis]

Why are you running ceruledge

[sterile raven]

Well, its my favorite Gen 9 mon and I wanted to try and make it work.

[molten oasis]

It’s not very good and I’m not sure if this is the team for that. I don’t see what ceru really does for Zac or Mirai that shifu and incin aren’t already doing

BUT if we were to keep it

You should add a tailwind mon somewhere, over hands or incin imo

[solid frigate]

even greninja has better niche than this

Also Zac Mirai wants supports more than Secondary Damage Dealers-

[molten oasis]

Go Tera fairy or stellar on zacian

[solid frigate]

well unless like Lando who can coverage or Ogerpon can do both things

[molten oasis]

I run pao hearth and lando I think it’s fine lol

[solid frigate]

i mentioned it right before you said it lmao

[sterile raven]

Before putting Ceruledge, I was running Flutter.

I was back and forth on Amoongus

[molten oasis]

Amoonguss with Mirai sucks imo

I could see, if you dropped ceru Hearthflame and whimsi over ceru and incin

Both strong pieces for Zac and miraidon

But if you’re not scarf Mirai you probably want tailwind somewhere

[sterile raven]

How's this? https://pokepast.es/587f0714cc03f997

[dense latch]

you need spiky shield and follow me on your hearthflame

i’d drop knock off and either wood hammer or taunt

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2387354530

Scarf CIR Jumpscare

[pulsar cloak]

wouldn't necessarily completely write it off, one did place in the top 16 of NAIC. Amog's still a great support mon and it can punish opposing terrain by threatening spores.

[molten oasis]

Still don’t think amoonguss with Mirai is strong

[sterile raven]

Well, breeding for good Cottonee iv's. Wish me luck.

[dense latch]

wtff lmao

what even is the point of that

[solid frigate]

CTS

[rustic mountain]

kyruem white is that u?

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[stone trellis]

"I gave a knife to a kid who's completely paralysed" type shit 💀

I need a nickname for the female Indeedee I'll be using on my first team.

[solid frigate]

knowing that CIR is a knife

it just made it more sharper

[stone trellis]

And gave it to a kid in a wheelchair who can't even move his hands.

Oh wow, now you can reach 168 Speed.

[solid frigate]

that technically outspeeds Bulkier Ogerpons

but like atp

Why bother

[stone trellis]

Yeah, you're really just giving up on Caly-Ice's biggest strengths by making it a Scarf holder.

[river schooner]

Hi anyone able to help me with something on evs

[next stump]

sure, what’s up?

[river schooner]

So I put 25 vitamins plus two feathers into two stats making it 252 then 4 feathers into a different stat to make a spread of 252/252/4 but it’s still allowing me to apply two more feathers

Idk if there’s something wrong because I’m pretty sure that’s the max amount of evs one mon can have

[next stump]

you are good, 508EVs is the effective max but technically pokemon can hold 510

[stone trellis]

Yep.

[river schooner]

Oh I see, is there a point to having 510? Or is that not allowed

[next stump]

no point at all but it’s allowed

[river schooner]

Ah ok ty

[sterile raven]

ooo I like this

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2387442905

[foggy lodge]

Japan nationals this weekend

[next stump]

so incredibly excited

first weekend in a while with no plans so I can watch all of it too

[foggy lodge]

That's great

I want to see what they cook

[next stump]

last year we were blessed with AV Tera Ice Kyogre with Blizzard

[foggy lodge]

I think this format still has explorable things

[next stump]

Japan is crazy

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

I think Mirai Korai can appear now

[next stump]

what's also interesting is that I believe japan is CTS except open tera tyype

and typically scarf miraidon reveals itself with tera electric

so I wonder if any scarf players will go something like fairy to bait their opponent

[foggy lodge]

Its full CTS I think

Until top 8 goddamn

How does japan play bo1 tournaments and still be the best region of the world

[next stump]

It amazes me

[bold geode]

More extreme conditions I guess
When you have to play without information a lot, I guess it pays off when you finally have access to said info

[foggy lodge]

Yeh

Also they play super weird

But super well the match between Kobayashi and Kinugawa is crazy

They read everything conditionate a tera poison into the Landorus and pin it with spore tclap

Or reading the Zama tera with helping hand sludge bomb

[chilly anvil]

Which Kyurem form is generally better?

[lofty tartan]

They both struggle in this regulation, but Kyurem-White typically fares better.

[molten oasis]

White is usually better as a snow abuser over black being a, loaded dice user in a format with incin

[sterile raven]

So, I have a stupid question. Within the next few days, would one of you be willing to give me a crash course in the battling element of VG? I’ve done comp singles from Ru/Sa/Em to X/Y. but vgc is an entirely other beast.

[lofty tartan]

1:1 training from somone here isn't super likely - if you want something like that, it's advisable to consider coaching on a platform like Metafy.

If you want some incredibly helpful resources, you can look here:

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

[Embed Link](#competitive_discussion message) to #competitive_discussion

Command triggered by dazedmika. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[next stump]

Like what Mika said before, it's gonna be hard to find someone who can sit in a call and walk through concepts with you. But, this chat is a great place to just dump questions and get answers. I (and many others) would be happy to answer anything and everything

[sterile raven]

Awesome, I really appreciate that. That helps more than you all know.

[next stump]

My #1 suggestion personally is to save Showdown replays and send them here for help

[sterile raven]

I’ve been watching a lot of Wolfey’s stuff but that only gets so far.

[lofty tartan]

Honestly one of the best teachers is playing the game and reviewing your matches.

[next stump]

Super glad to hear you're into VGC, it's a great great game. With a hungry mindset you can learn the basics quick

[sterile raven]

I’ve already been a Pokemon fan for a while lol, I’m currently playing the TCG but that doesn’t quite scratch my competitive itch lol.

[next stump]

Are you aiming to ever attend in person events?

[sterile raven]

Absolutely. I have to wait for next season, but for in person, I plan to go for VG

[lofty tartan]

I can say I play both VGC and PTCG, as well as other competitive card games. PTCG is pretty competitive but it's a whole other field.

[next stump]

Hell yeah, in person events make playing even more fun. Are you based in America?

[lofty tartan]

I need the real list of upcoming 2026 season events so I can start planning funds and time.

I'm really hungry after Toronto.

[sterile raven]

Yeah, I’m right outside of Baltimore.

[next stump]

I know :/ I am hoping that they send the list in the next couple of weeks along with any changes

because for TCG they start the season in July

[lofty tartan]

I'm gonna hope for at least ONE New England Regionals.

Come on, Papa Pikachu, save me a TINY bit of money this year.

[sterile raven]

I just want a regional that’s like atleast an hour or two outside of my area.

[lofty tartan]

Also an event closer to home means it's more feasible for my 8 year old to compete.

She's a bloodthirsty gamer. She'll do great in Juniors.

But those kids are cracked at the game.

[next stump]

Some of them are so insane

There's really no in between

[lofty tartan]

Yeah absolutely. I love watching Juniors matches.

[next stump]

they're either very very new or good enough to beat some masters

[lofty tartan]

100%

My kid is very very new - she loves cute pokemon and her favorites, but she's hyper competitive, like someone else I know... and she has been asking to learn.

[next stump]

the dream 🥺

[lofty tartan]

She thinks Regional events are the coolest thing ever and is desperate to go. I feel so bad leaving her behind.

[next stump]

@sterile raven you joined at both a great and kinda awkward time. With the season ending, a lot of stuff is unknown right now. We aren't sure when/what Pokemon Champions is, what the next ruleset will be, or what the in person tournaments will be

But the game is the biggest it's ever been and normally Pokemon VGC interest TANKS at the end of a game's lifespan, so that is a great sign for the future

[lofty tartan]

Champions is next level hype.

I'm being pretty reserved about it, but if it's anything close to what I think it is, accessibility is gonna open like a floodgate.

[next stump]

I seriously wonder what they're gonna do with tournament capacity if VGC explodes

[lofty tartan]

Very true.

[sterile raven]

Yeah, that’s what I’ve been reading. My roommate and I are getting into vgc. He wants to host a tournament so he and I can get practice, so I wanna learn as much as I can to win lol

[molten oasis]

Might need to buy out the entire convention center lol

[sterile raven]

Like right now, I’m trying to build my team around Zacian and Miraidon.

Mostly cause I always thought that Zacian’s concept was cool as fuck for a legendary.

[next stump]

Have you been following any in person tournaments?

Those are always good for inspritation

[sterile raven]

I was following the regionals and NAIV

NAIC**

For both TCG and VGC

My main issue I feel like is knowing what order to put my pokemon out in and when to switch and stuff

I have a couple versions of my team that I really like, I just can’t seem to pick one

I think one was Mirai, Hands, Incini, RS Urshi, Zacian, Fluttermane

I tested it in game against one of my buddies and it wasn’t pretty for him.

[next stump]

nice 🙂 have you tested on the online ladder at all?

[rustic mountain]

found dragos alt

[sterile raven]

My team needs to finish leveling. I’ve been playing it on Showdown, but that’s about it.

So let me ask this, how viable is Metagross rn?

I know back in B/W it was super good.

[next stump]

Unfortunately it's not really usable at all

Calyrex-Shadow, Zamazenta, Incineroar, etc.

All very very good matchups into it

[foggy lodge]

It could be gimicky at the best in bo1 with tera normal choice band explosion

But even with that I think regieleki is better for that

[sterile raven]

Gotcha. So I had an interesting thought. Bulk Tornadus?

[left bobcat]

Mmmmmmmmm eh-

[sterile raven]

Hypothetically, it would function the same way as whimsi

Atleast that’s my thought in my head

But I’m also new to vgc and don’t know what I’m talking about

[left bobcat]

Torn isn’t meant to stick around

[sterile raven]

I gotcha.

[foggy lodge]

Rocky helmet can be bulky

And it has been a populat Tornadus set

[karmic temple]

Torn has a ton of bad match ups rn v.v

[sterile raven]

Yeah. I think my main issue with my team building is I don’t know synergies.

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that's the problem

[sterile raven]

I’m just super new to vgc as a whole

[karmic temple]

Honestly if you’re just starting out don’t worry about team building so much

[sterile raven]

I’m so used to singles lol

[karmic temple]

Check out the rental teams and find one that looks neat and test it out

[left bobcat]

Rocky helmet incin and amoongus are better than Rocky helmet torn

[sterile raven]

So I’m trying to play something around Zaci and Mirai

[foggy lodge]

Could always share pokepaste here

[foggy lodge]

what

[sterile raven]

Cause they’re the two restricteds I see topping a lot

I really wanna learn like pick orders and stuff

[foggy lodge]

Zac Mirai won the korean cup some weeks ago

[left bobcat]

ROCKY HELMET INCIN AND AMOONGUS are BETTER than Rocky helmet torn

[foggy lodge]

Could be worth taking a look

[pulsar cloak]

Incin and Amog have different roles compared to Torn

[sterile raven]

Cause I have no clue what I’m doing in that regard when it comes to doubles.

Singles, I could do that shit in my sleep.

[left bobcat]

Rocky helmet is better suited for some like them unlike torn

Sash and covert cloak is mostly for torn

[foggy lodge]

That's like saying life orb CSR is better than life orb Landorus 😭

Anyways this team won in juniors division

With curse Ursaluna tech for CIR and Hands

[left bobcat]

[sterile raven]

I like bear. 👀

Could regular Urs be swapped for BMU?

I like BMU more.

[left bobcat]

U can if u want

[molten oasis]

Cool team

[left bobcat]

But as bro pointed out before ursalunas role is to counter CIR and iron hands with the curse tech

[molten oasis]

Curse Ursa is a cool tech imo

[left bobcat]

Its smart

Bloodmoon can’t do that however

[sterile raven]

Gotcha, so it’s raise up a normal Ursa

[left bobcat]

Well curse is a move that increases attack and defense but drops speed

It’s very good against ice rider and hands because they are both physical attackers and they are mostly used in trick room

[molten oasis]

Yep

You underspeed which is huge

Adamant also underspends which I think is pretty nice

[foggy lodge]

Also this channel gives you some valuable basic lessons and also makes some analysis to the meta sometimes https://youtu.be/YZXZDw7pjyE?si=b-EGfVMdTQjIdPwu

[left bobcat]

SO DO YOUR HOMEWORK

[dense latch]

@sterile raven when I started this gen back in like July of last year the best thing I found to improve was using an established team that also had a team report, if you know some basic lines like what to lead and what to do in the first turns of a game against strong teams it's much easier to learn what works and what doesn't as you face more teams

knowing what each pokemon does for your team and knowing that they will contribute something was important to me which is why I liked using teams by the best players

[shadow wind]

That is extremely good advice dang

Wish I did that when I started 😔

I'm not going to lie when I started I just spammed teams until I figured stuff out

Which is not what I would recommend

[sterile raven]

I’m just learning lol.

[shadow wind]

Take Erik's advice there, it's solid and accurate to what you should do

[dense latch]

it's what worked for me at least, learning what made the best teams good helped me build teams of my own

[shadow wind]

I love spamming teams until I learn !!!!

I probably wasted so much time 😔

[foggy lodge]

Instead of playing Groudon

[shadow wind]

Yeah that's where I ended up

[dense latch]

there's a very good mirai zama team which i think you could enjoy and justin tang dropped a video on his run, going over all the games and stuff

[shadow wind]

Ain't no one want advice from me after hearing the Groudon stuff

[foggy lodge]

lmao

You are still the strongest Groudon soldier I know

[shadow wind]

🫡

[dense latch]

best advice i can give is using a mediocre restricted for years on end ‼️

[shadow wind]

It makes you tougher !!

[foggy lodge]

Stand proud Conner

[shadow wind]

Now imagine me in a non restricted format

Where I still hold myself back because I hated sneasler !

Nah Gen 10 I'll lock in

[dense latch]

you would've loved cloak volc

was my goat in the last months of reg h

[shadow wind]

I used toxic orb Gliscor !

Too bad every single team developed A9 at the end of Reg H

[dense latch]

mid ground types ftw i suppose

[shadow wind]

I used a Mono Ground type at some point in Reg H

[foggy lodge]

I used never melt ice A9 in reg H

[shadow wind]

When I used it I used scarf or specs

[foggy lodge]

Most underwhelming mon I've ever played

Yeah

I tried never melt ice

AND IT WAS TERA ICE

I think I clicked tera ice blizzard into an Amoonguss and missed the KO

And switched it to specs

Lol

252 SpA Never-Melt Ice Tera Ice Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 236 HP / 36 SpD Amoonguss: 188-224 (85.8 - 102.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

🥀

[dense latch]

🫠

[molten oasis]

Specs a9 was fun

You’re talking about a Mon with 77 spa tho lol

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 38: Ninetales-Alola

Types

Ice/Fairy

Abilities

Snow Cloak, Snow Warning (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

73/67/75/81/100/109

Total

505

Base Species

Ninetales

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

81*

[foggy lodge]

brooo

That sucks

This game is so dumb sometimes

[dense latch]

this is the same game

what is happening

[foggy lodge]

Sometimes is a bad day

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2387573179 turn 1 2 and 7 killed me

[molten oasis]

That’s rough

Might be worse than precipice blades accuracy lol

[solid frigate]

its 70% vs 80%

wait

[tiny karma]

Move: Thunder Wave

Paralyzes the target. This move does not ignore type immunity.

Type

Electric

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

90

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

nah thats just-

[dense latch]

in a single turn i missed thunder wave (10%) got crit (4.17%) and missed hhp (5%)

[solid frigate]

also btw HHP i never seen CIR miss in stream so yeah this is rare lmao

[dense latch]

and in the first two turns of the battle i got parad by thunderbolt (10%) and crit twice by barrage (4.17x4.17%)

[molten oasis]

That’s so ass lmfao

[dense latch]

i dont even wanna know the odds of that

[dense latch]

i probably misplayed that midgame like crazy and could've turned it back if i played better but can you blame me for being a bit tilted after that lmao

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Ig you could have twaved the CSR to outspeed it with Volc

[dense latch]

true

[foggy lodge]

But by how that game was going I wouldn't have been surprised that twave missed or Volca would have just full parad

[dense latch]

also prob should've drifted into csr rather than using snarl

[foggy lodge]

But odds are odds

[dense latch]

what's crazy is that it was kinda close by the end despite everything

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Ngl I think they missplayed because not protecting in front of the scarf Miraidon

No nvm it's fine

Your wincon is Zama full para

It was the right play to not let like

Edrift zama and TR

[solid frigate]

so for some reason flame orb did not activate for my match

like its not even knocked out

i did protect before the activation

[dense latch]

do you have a replay?

[solid frigate]

i left the match before i downloaded

[tiny karma]

Item: Flame Orb

At the end of every turn, this item attempts to burn the holder.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[foggy lodge]

Against what was

Do you remember the team

[solid frigate]

CSR Kyogre

with Peli and Whims

and Urshifu Dark

[foggy lodge]

What was the terrain

[solid frigate]

i legit forgot about Misty terrain

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

That's why I asked against what was

[solid frigate]

Whims has misty terrain

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2387581942

Anyways

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2387586672

Koraidon vibe

[shadow wind]

Hey man it's not funny to joke about other peoples trauma

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-tenna-chapter-3-kick-explosion-meme-gif-10301814914722719462

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-tail-pokémon-jigglypuff-scarlet-and-violet-pokémon-horizons-gif-7799924985313024354

[shadow wind]

Trying to silence me is not cool guys

Groudon already has such little fans

[foggy lodge]

Conner you should use Koraidon

[shadow wind]

Groudon + Koraidon seems kinda bad

[jade dust]

Iron hands having a 100% world win rate is insane tbh

[foggy lodge]

Add Torkoal

And a Ninetales

[shadow wind]

4 sun setters goes crazy

But nah why would I use Koraidon

That's just worse Groudon !

[foggy lodge]

Fs fs

[jade dust]

It’s up there with Urshifu for best fighting type

[shadow wind]

And Groudon is the best Ground type to ever do it

[jade dust]

Yes tho it’s struggling in this gen

[shadow wind]

You think I don't know this

[jade dust]

Some are still using it

[shadow wind]

What are we even talking about here

[molten oasis]

We were joking lmao

[craggy dagger]

what’s up?

[shadow wind]

So was I

[jade dust]

Nah for real people are still trying

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2387607003-txgt0vpmb70fhc90kaes3us1ryhv5depw finally hit 1700 with an account after having like 8 alts in the 1600 range

scarf miraidon is so fun

[shadow wind]

...

[foggy lodge]

Muntazir got top 16 with Groudon Mirai

Its the best Groudon has got in this reg I think

That's so sad dude

[shadow wind]

It is

[molten oasis]

Man my restricted is struggling, I KNOW HOW TO FIX IT!

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-miraidon-gif-749037957144138891

[foggy lodge]

Drago you are eating better than Conner rn

[shadow wind]

Pretty much

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[solid frigate]

My Bike frfr

[shadow wind]

They are

[molten oasis]

Fr

[craggy dagger]

techno sword just too strong imo

[foggy lodge]

Stray dog vs Stray dog competition

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-miraidon-pokemon-electro-drift-miraidon-uses-electro-drift-gif-9850345871177379725

I LOVE ELECTRO DRIFTT

[craggy dagger]

calyrex….

[solid frigate]

Nuclear Damage

[shadow wind]

Coughing baby vs Victorian child with a disease

[molten oasis]

My dog had too much chocolate last gen

[solid frigate]

i'm already making Miraidon Blog as we speak lmao

Should be out next week

[craggy dagger]

wym last gen

[molten oasis]

Gen 8

[craggy dagger]

you mean this gen right-

[shadow wind]

Too much water 😔

[dense latch]

effects of the chocolate hit this gen

[craggy dagger]

being
weakened beyond repair-

[molten oasis]

Nah zacian ate too much chocolate it hurt it

[solid frigate]

Pfft

[craggy dagger]

too much choco cake from being broken and winning a lot of things

[molten oasis]

Fr

Groudon just met the new kid in town

[craggy dagger]

still
i’m glad zac has its spotlight now

[solid frigate]

yeah only Zacian and Groudon did not win anything in Reg G and Reg I

Depression amirite

[molten oasis]

Zacian, like wasn’t lmao

[solid frigate]

well irl tours

[molten oasis]

Not many people were really gonna be on it

[shadow wind]

Zacian won a VR tour

[craggy dagger]

that’s like saying
calyrex base and mewtwo hasn’t won anything in reg I and reg G

[molten oasis]

But no regionals

[craggy dagger]

[shadow wind]

Groudon hasn't won ANYTHING

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[solid frigate]

i think i talked about the fucking hell about the topic with Tree about meta restricteds

[dense latch]

the few months i played during gen 8 had me having nightmares with zacian

[molten oasis]

Not even being able to hold clam gave groudon the leg up

[dense latch]

i'm glad it got nerfed but i think it could've just gotten one of the two rather than both

[molten oasis]

Both was brutal

[craggy dagger]

true

-# keep the ability..,

[molten oasis]

Revert intrepid sword ty

[dense latch]

unnerfed dauntless shield kinda scary tho

[shadow wind]

Remove tera pretty please

[tiny karma]

Move: Skill Swap

The user swaps its Ability with the target's Ability. Fails if either the user or the target's Ability is As One, Battle Bond, Comatose, Commander, Disguise, Embody Aspect, Hunger Switch, Ice Face, Illusion, Multitype, Neutralizing Gas, Poison Puppeteer, Power Construct, Protosynthesis, Quark Drive, RKS System, Schooling, Shields Down, Stance Change, Tera Shell, Tera Shift, Teraform Zero, Wonder Guard, Zen Mode, or Zero to Hero.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

like revert the ability and it would be slightly better

[dense latch]

imagine a zama that isn't punished by switching out

[craggy dagger]

hm…

[molten oasis]

Zacian’s power literally was lost because of it

[foggy lodge]

Terapagos

[dense latch]

terapagass

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-laughing-gif-lol-funny-loud-laugh-gif-7926424135311815001

[craggy dagger]

we should get one of those soon hopefully
we had a couple no dynamax series

[molten oasis]

Oh right cus Pagos sucks lmao

[craggy dagger]

skill swap defiant onto zacian…

[molten oasis]

Don’t

[dense latch]

series 10 in swsh was one of my favorite formats

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

Japan Nationals
At least Junior/Senior in NAIC

Wait then Groudon won something in Juniors division because indianapolis

[shadow wind]

Or give me the red orb back

[molten oasis]

Yea when the orbs come back uhhhh

[dense latch]

give rayquaza its mega back 😭

[foggy lodge]

I HAVE A VIDEO OF THAT

[molten oasis]

Those 2 will 100% be top of the format

[solid frigate]

still lose to Mirai for some reason

[dense latch]

i just wanna use the guy again

[craggy dagger]

the fact that it can just hold an item-

[molten oasis]

But at least Kyogre’s defense doesn’t change so play rough nukes it

[solid frigate]

and yet still the 4th Best restricted in XY

[craggy dagger]

tera electric blast…

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 382: Kyogre-Primal

Type

Water

Abilities

Primordial Sea

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/150/90/180/160/90

Total

770

Base Species

Kyogre

Sableye version 4.28.2

[dense latch]

these stats holy

[solid frigate]

doesn't Kyogre Run Bulk in Primal Form

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 384: Rayquaza-Mega

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Delta Stream

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/180/100/180/100/115

Total

780

Base Species

Rayquaza

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

Like A LOT OF PHYSICAL BULK

[molten oasis]

Kyogre runs bulk in general

[craggy dagger]

meteor beam mega rayquaza…?

[molten oasis]

But zacian outspeeds and “shuts off” water spout

[solid frigate]

mine tanks a Dragon Ascent from Mega Ray what do you fucking want lmao

[craggy dagger]

someone needs to terminate my brain-

[foggy lodge]

https://fixupx.com/DesuVGC/status/1934902430979813571

Dave Cognetta デス (@DesuVGC)

Terapagos will win worlds

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[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[solid frigate]

Kyogre-Primal @ Blue Orb
Ability: Primordial Sea
Level: 50
EVs: 236 HP / 100 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect

i might just run this when Champions started restricted formats

[craggy dagger]

[dense latch]

252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift (Super Effective) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Kyogre in Electric Terrain: 232-275 (112 - 132.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO damn this isnt even specs

[foggy lodge]

Bro is planning for a format that comes in 2 years

[dense latch]

chat i think miraidon might be good

[molten oasis]

Miraidon moment

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-delta-rune-deltarune-chaoter-4-deltarune-chapter-3-delta-rune-chapter-3-gif-8440831820208843944

[shadow wind]

Miraidon still OHKOs both primals...

[dense latch]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 193-228 (93.2 - 110.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

Miraidon just basically say fuck your Gen 3

[foggy lodge]

The worst thing is that I think timid still picks up the ko lmao

[craggy dagger]

nah
miraidon is still on fraud watch

[dense latch]

at least mega rayquaza can tank an edrift

if only miraidon had a way to hit it aside from that

[solid frigate]

I'm taking your TV

[foggy lodge]

Ferrothorn in champions

And Alolan Marowak

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Rayquaza-Mega: 167-197 (92.7 - 109.4%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

[shadow wind]

I love alolan Marowak

[dense latch]

i remember seeing a tweet about how much rocky helmet ferrothorn deals to korai after a flare blitz with all the recoil

[foggy lodge]

Let me have a mon with lightning rod that is not Rhydon or Pachirisu please

[dense latch]

add strong winds

[shadow wind]

Pretty sure that is

[dense latch]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Mega Rayquaza in Strong Winds: 125-147 (59.8 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[shadow wind]

No tera electric

[solid frigate]

it is Strong winds

[dense latch]

oh damn

i didnt see tera electric my bad holy shit

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but a bit of bulk

And you take it

[molten oasis]

yk the boredoms real when we're discussing mega restricted formats lmao

[foggy lodge]

Imagine having to calc to survive a resisted hit

[solid frigate]

yeah Miraidon just say fuck you to Gen 3 and meant that

[dense latch]

pikachu

[shadow wind]

It's cause powercreep makes everything a snoozefest

[dense latch]

252+ adamant pikachu with light ball has more attack than most caly ice

[molten oasis]

im coming around to this format being ok but yea i dont disagree with that

[dense latch]

that's all im saying

[solid frigate]

honestly Miraidon would still be one of the best restricteds in formats with Megas and Primals

Its just too fucking strong

[shadow wind]

Thankfully Koraidon will be useless

[solid frigate]

i don't expect he's getting a nerf until gen 10

[foggy lodge]

I remember someone who made day 2 at a regional with tera fairy light ball pikachu

[craggy dagger]

give rising voltage back to alolan raichu

[foggy lodge]

And its only attacking move was play rough

[craggy dagger]

please

[dense latch]

252+ Atk Light Ball Tera-Fairy Pikachu Play Rough vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon: 198-234 (109.3 - 129.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[tiny karma]

Move: Rising Voltage

If the current terrain is Electric Terrain and the target is grounded, this move's power is doubled.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[craggy dagger]

imagine how stupid miraidon alolan raichu combo would go

[foggy lodge]

Is this the meta call for worlds gang?

[dense latch]

yes yes yes yes

[molten oasis]

it would be very okay i think

[solid frigate]

actually there are too many people in comp chat wanna try it and i say no

[dense latch]

252+ Atk Light Ball Tera-Electric Pikachu Helping Hand Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider: 186-220 (89.8 - 106.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[foggy lodge]

We should warn Dillon of the scary tera fairy light ball pikachu for worlds

His scarf Miraidon is in danger

[solid frigate]

but honestly i might still use Xerneas Primal Kyogre over Miraidon anyway

cuz like sure it hits hard but i am not too sure

[foggy lodge]

btw interaction that I discovered today

[craggy dagger]

cuz like
rising voltage

[foggy lodge]

Mold breaker doesn't ignore shadow shield

For some reason

[molten oasis]

raging bolt gets rising voltage

[craggy dagger]

only if it got rising voltage tho

[foggy lodge]

So it does have a difference from multiscale

[molten oasis]

i dont see that duo getting spammed

[solid frigate]

i got nuked by that befoe

[craggy dagger]

cuz raging bolt doesn’t double its speed in electric terrain

imagine how fucking broken that would be

[solid frigate]

i literally complained about it so much

[molten oasis]

idk'

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 26: Raichu-Alola

Types

Electric/Psychic

Abilities

Surge Surfer

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/85/50/95/85/110

Total

485

Base Species

Raichu

Sableye version 4.28.2

Pokémon No. 26: Raichu-Alola

Types

Electric/Psychic

Abilities

Surge Surfer

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/85/50/95/85/110

Total

485

Base Species

Raichu

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

IT HAS 95 SPA???

[solid frigate]

lol

[craggy dagger]

it’s pretty low yeah…

[solid frigate]

yeah

[molten oasis]

that'll suck lmao

[craggy dagger]

it’s a raichu

[foggy lodge]

I think it's fine I don't want my +1 defense lunala to die through shadow shield from a crit ivy cudgel

[molten oasis]

its also

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 26: Raichu

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Lightning Rod (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

60/90/55/90/80/110

Total

485

Other Formes

Raichu-Alola

Sableye version 4.28.2

[molten oasis]

it hates prio so much with 60/50 defense

[craggy dagger]

oh
it gets 5 more

[molten oasis]

yea idk lol

[craggy dagger]

seed giraffe

[solid frigate]

its getting carried by Endavour honestly

[molten oasis]

ok kill a calyex with its stab

go damage calc it

[foggy lodge]

76+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Mold Breaker Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ogerpon-Cornerstone on a critical hit: 160-190 (102.5 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solid frigate]

lol

[craggy dagger]

yeah…?

252+ SpA Life Orb Tera Electric Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 156 SpD Assault Vest Kyogre in Electric Terrain: 213-255 (102.8 - 123.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

its super effective ofc thatll kill

[craggy dagger]

252+ SpA Life Orb Tera Electric Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 156 SpD Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 169-200 (81.6 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

enough for partner to clean up

[molten oasis]

fair, ig

[craggy dagger]

sorry

252+ SpA Life Orb Tera Electric Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 132 HP / 28 SpD Zacian-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 205-244 (111.4 - 132.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

Max spa life orb tera electric in terrain and still doesn't kill

If you laugh you go to hell

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-miraidon-plush-spin-silly-gif-7447766115590536849

[craggy dagger]

i haven’t seen a 156 caly ice

[foggy lodge]

My CIR is 180 SpD

[craggy dagger]

wh

[foggy lodge]

:v

[craggy dagger]

max hp 180 spdef-

i need to refresh on the meta spreads again

[foggy lodge]

Calyrex-Ice @ Leftovers
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Atk / 12 Def / 188 SpD / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Protect
• Glacial Lance
• Leech Seed
• Trick Room

[craggy dagger]

ah

[foggy lodge]

Spread leak oh no

[craggy dagger]

welp

[spiral ridge]

I’m stealing it wooo

[craggy dagger]

i mean…

[dense latch]

Calyrex-Ice @ Clear Amulet
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 100 SpD / 36 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Glacial Lance
• High Horsepower
• Trick Room
• Protect

im using this

[foggy lodge]

Tho it's what Kobayashi ran

[craggy dagger]

it outspeeds shadow rider

252+ SpA Life Orb Tera Electric Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow in Electric Terrain: 239-283 (115.4 - 136.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[foggy lodge]

But even then

[craggy dagger]

252+ SpA Life Orb Raichu-Alola Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Calyrex-Shadow in Electric Terrain: 179-212 (86.4 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

lmao

[foggy lodge]

I did run the same spread that Kobayashi did and I did not know it was his spread

[craggy dagger]

great minds think alike?

[foggy lodge]

So ig I'm actually doing things right if I came to the same conclusion as him

[molten oasis]

so are you gonna really commit tera on

[foggy lodge]

Fs fs

[craggy dagger]

no lol

[molten oasis]

raichu every game

[spiral ridge]

Why not raging bolt rising voltage

[molten oasis]

lol

[spiral ridge]

Just cus raichu is bean

[craggy dagger]

it doesn’t get voltage-
only bolt does

theoretical calcs

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-erm-what-pokemon-gif-6625837847602803592

[spiral ridge]

What are you saying here

I said bolt

[craggy dagger]

raichu doesn’t get rising voltage

[molten oasis]

what if miraidon got rising voltage

[craggy dagger]

it did in swsh

[spiral ridge]

Ohh that’s wym

[craggy dagger]

then the world would explode

[spiral ridge]

Funny

We should make that happen

[astral kelp]

wtf is bro cooking

[molten oasis]

ong

[solid frigate]

i would not want that buff

[craggy dagger]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Calyrex-Ice in Electric Terrain: 211-249 (101.9 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solid frigate]

as a Miraidon main,its moveset is perfectly fine

[astral kelp]

is that blaze incineroar

[solid frigate]

PFFT

YEAH BRO IS DEAD

[spiral ridge]

This is balanced
Put it in the game