Lunala can absolutely win again tomorrow
#competitive_discussion
foggy lodge
bold geode
- CSR
- Miraidon
- Ice Rider
- Lunala
- Koraidon
- Zamazenta
- Kyogre
- Terapagos
- Zacian
- Ho Oh
forest arrow
Miraidon
CSR
CIR
Koraidon
Zama
Ogre
Lunala
Zacian
Pagos
Ho oh
foggy lodge
Anyways decide gang which of the big 3 will win Bologna
dense latch
groudon
bold geode
I am probably being a bit bias saying CSR is higher than Mirai
foggy lodge
You are
bold geode
I mean tbf
Those two fucks juggle there
foggy lodge
Yeah
bold geode
I think you can probably argue either
foggy lodge
They are around the same
forest arrow
I did grow to like CSR I can say
foggy lodge
CSR's usage is abusive at regionals
bold geode
One of them is taking 1 and one is taking 2
foggy lodge
Not even like day 1 which is what usually happened in reg G
Like CSR was usually the most used but would drop a lot for day 2
It has been the most used restricted for day 2 in Portland and Bologna
foggy lodge
why not use both fs
bold geode
Though I think it's more CSR
bold geode
why not use both fs
Hyper offense
No no said the EU player
forest arrow
There’s a ton of csr zama from what I seen
foggy lodge
Usually NA would go for more offensive styles
bold geode
I think NA prefers copying every single trend
foggy lodge
Kinda yeah
Idk if I said it here but did y'all know that the Tang's team has 10 damage control tools
lmao
foggy lodge
There was a cool reg I duos tier list
Using the pokedream art style
I think it was called pokedream
foggy lodge
foggy lodge
Groudon CIR doesn't even appear LOL
shadow wind
foggy lodge
Tho tbf if it appeared I would probably put it on decent
shadow wind
This might hurt a little bit
foggy lodge
Gamble the twave
foggy lodge
Nvm
shadow wind
foggy lodge
Yeah light screen is the play there then
shadow wind
Yknow that did a lot less than projected
shadow wind
They did
foggy lodge
Damn
molten oasis
That team hurts my head lol
rustic mountain
imagine it was specs shroom
molten oasis
I wonder if Max would like the Rhyperior lol
astral kelp
astral kelp
imagine it was specs shroom
based
molten oasis
Specs leaf storm
molten oasis
I’m gonna build thundy t team ingame and play tomorrow I think
molten oasis
astral kelp
and 130 defense godam
and it underspeeds cir in trick room
honestly i kinda get the cook
molten oasis
It was more for fun cuz I thought “hey this mons cool I wanna check it out” and then it did super well lol
astral kelp
lol i see why rhydon is better than rhyperior
youre basicallly sacrificing 10 hp, 10 atk, a lil spd for not having to go av and way more defense?
astral kelp
It was more for fun cuz I thought “hey this mons cool I wanna check it out” and ...
hmm
molten oasis
Huh
astral kelp
i dont ge tthe swords dance tbh
molten oasis
Gives Zac its boost back and lets it be a wallbreaker into screen teams
astral kelp
icic
astral kelp
i guess you can get away with it unless its lando
and if it is urshifu and thund are pretty good into it
since its rain
pretty cool pretty cool
oh wait no origin pulse
ig its fair since it always misses lmfao
it always feels wrong going spout and pulse
molten oasis
Hydro pump lets you ignore wide guard
Did lose a game to kyogre missing tho, that always sucks
surreal siren
lets you ignore the ability to actually land a move too ✊
molten oasis
Give kyogre scald 👍
surreal siren
doesn’t it get stomping tantrum?
shadow wind
Alright and Kyogre gets water pulse
surreal siren
water pulse way worse 😭
shadow wind
It actually still hits harder than stomping tantrum
surreal siren
idk stomping tantrum has higher bp and lots of damage if it meets special condition
shadow wind
Condition of living 2 turns
surreal siren
if groudon gets faked out it does big big damage
solid frigate
molten oasis
if groudon gets faked out it does big big damage
Ok but
What happens when they just protect or nuke the groudon next turn
shadow wind
groudon is not easy to nuke also
Are we being for real
surreal siren
https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-drumming-pokemon-leon-gif-27454385
groudon can atleast heat crash it, while most booms run av so ice beam not gonna hit as hard
surreal siren
Are we being for real
WE are being for real
shadow wind
My Groudon gets exploded at least once a set
surreal siren
WHO are you facing bro kyogre every game?
shadow wind
Kyogre nukes
Miraidon nukes
CSR nukes
Chi yu nukes
solid frigate
156+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 196 HP / 124 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 90-108 (45 - 54%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
Thats still solid Chunk even with against my Bulky Rilla with my Bulky Ogre
surreal siren
156+ SpA Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 196 HP / 124 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 90-108 (45...
true, the issue id say is that boom boom easily one shots kyogre but not groudon
molten oasis
A special attacker generally nukes kyogre
And then if you go av you’re susceptible to intimidate
shadow wind
A special attacker generally nukes kyogre
Groudon*
surreal siren
A special attacker generally nukes kyogre
other way around, kyogre has base 140 spdef
surreal siren
all good lolz
proto speed flutter would be a good counter to most of groudon's issues
molten oasis
Moonblast doesn’t ko miraidon
surreal siren
i mean using icy wind a groudon would boom it
molten oasis
Mirai also might be faster after icy wind lol
solid frigate
shadow wind
i mean using icy wind a groudon would boom it
That's 2 moves that can miss
surreal siren
Mirai also might be faster after icy wind lol
nah you can invest to outspeed after an icy wind
molten oasis
Yea but, also precipice can just miss
shadow wind
So can icy wind
molten oasis
Fckn sucks lol
shadow wind
You're tellin me
surreal siren
a lot of groudons also run high horsepower
molten oasis
Let’s just make opulse and pblades 100% Acc thanks
surreal siren
to avoid wide gaurd
shadow wind
You haven't played Groudon until you've double missed icy wind into double missed pblades
surreal siren
You haven't played Groudon until you've double missed icy wind into double misse...
true...
solid frigate
That’s happened to you? That’s awful
didn't Creph and most of us in the group hate using kyogre
wait no
solid frigate
Hey he came around
those Hydro Pump miss are from palkia-
surreal siren
PALKIA needs a solid water type move brooooooo
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
molten oasis
I thought it did?
surreal siren
was gonna say i didnt think he ever got it
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
shadow wind
Why tf were people playing Palkia CIR in gen 8 lol
God forbid someone like a pokemon
surreal siren
never played sw/sh comp but didnt dmax kinda cover for accuracy issues
solid frigate
yeah max moves
Groudon likes Dynamax more than Tera honestly
Kyogre is alright with Both
molten oasis
Oh, that’s definitely why lmao
molten oasis
God forbid someone like a pokemon
Ok but it was a duo you had to look out for
I think, idt it was all that strong
Can’t wait for Zac to be ass next restricted format cuz it’ll be a mega format (probably)
shadow wind
Can’t wait for Zac to be ass next restricted format cuz it’ll be a mega format (...
It's pretty much a mega
solid frigate
i'm just gonna spam Primal Kyogre anyway
molten oasis
It's pretty much a mega
Wait ur right lmao
Oh it’ll be a xerneas meta too
Nah nvm Zac will be goated
shadow wind
Why is there a team with a Landorus that is bulky
Like
CIR Leech seed Miraidon team
Did it do well somewhere?
Because this isn't the first time I'm seeing it
Man some guy just spectated a game and said I had a good MU
💀
Groudon has never seen a good MU
molten oasis
Clefairy? Gross
solid frigate
Clefairy? Gross
solid frigate
Sorry CSR Clef has made me hate the Mon
the only reason why i consider clef cuz Kyogre needs to tank Physical attackers
252+ Atk Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 236 HP / 100+ Def Kyogre-Primal with an ally's Friend Guard: 95-113 (46.3 - 55.1%) -- 66% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal Precipice Blades vs. 236 HP / 100+ Def Kyogre-Primal with an ally's Friend Guard: 72-85 (35.1 - 41.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
molten oasis
the only reason why i consider clef cuz Kyogre needs to tank Physical attackers
How fast is mega ray
solid frigate
https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-pokemon-intimidate-fake-out-parting-shot-gif-1...
gen 6.
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.2
solid frigate
INCIN IS NOT IN GEN 6
solid frigate
not using Hitmon
molten oasis
bold geode
thats for Wolfe
Gotta be the dumbest argument I've ever seen
molten oasis
Oh right Mence has intimidate I forgot lol
solid frigate
Gotta be the dumbest argument I've ever seen
because it was suppose to be dumb
cuz this whole time
Mence has Intim and Drago forgets
mighty stump
Can’t wait for Zac to be ass next restricted format cuz it’ll be a mega format (...
Pokemon Champions with Dynamax be like
molten oasis
did anyone else see that pop off lmao
solid frigate
Yep lol
shadow wind
plain drum
Cinema
next stump
Anyone watching Bologna? What happened to the stream?
I can only go back like 15-20 minutes
forest arrow
Pagos Top 8 again
forest arrow
Anyone watching Bologna? What happened to the stream?
Game 2 for top 8 cut the stream started lagging super bad and the game even DC’d I think wifi issues
next stump
HAHAHA i love VGC
the reads are crazy
the game is just over on turn 1
Matteo is insane
doing this to a regional champ too
forest arrow
No joke, Matteo playing crazy rn
next stump
zama/CSR only one in finals so far
atomic mural
Alr
atomic mural
zam csr is finallyt winning a regional
next stump
lets goooo super happy to see that duo win
bold geode
lets goooo super happy to see that duo win
Yeah but like
Now I probably gotta deal with people hard building to beat that duo
Me no likey that 
next stump
my milwaukee team has a positive matchup into it so keep em coming at NAIC 😄
anything but Lunala screens hahaha
bold geode
LOL
atomic mural
no music in finals is so funny
foggy lodge
That's why dragon pulse > draco meteor
chrome knot
@next stump wanna be a tie breaker
next stump
sure
chrome knot
i gave kat & zanzibar options for naic team, between running 5 mon team w/ lurantis as the 6th, playing psyspam with victoria or play a real team
kat picked lurantis bc its kinda funny, and zanzibar picked real team bc itd still be good for practice
next stump
im always team real team
but psyspam can be a real team if you want it to be, just gotta prep with it
also yooo I didn't know you were close with zanzibar, I played them yesterday at a local
didn't realize they moved to chicago
chrome knot
i wouldnt prep with options A or B
next stump
i think if your eventual goal is to continue getting better at VGC, option C
chrome knot
yeah i heard, not that u played them but that they won
next stump
if you want to take pokemon easy and just hang with friends at events, option B
next stump
yeah i heard, not that u played them but that they won<:GiggleHehe:6742349457234...
yeah leech seed calyrex 1v2'd the end game hahaha
chrome knot
LOL ffs
chrome knot
no its genius actually
is the pao spinner or crash
amoonguss also redirects annoying shit
bold geode
Chat Pagos was 6th
chrome knot
this top2 looks like 9/11 for csr zam ngl
bold geode
this top2 looks like 9/11 for csr zam ngl
EMMA
chrome knot
what
bold geode
Happy Pride month 
bold geode
this top2 looks like 9/11 for csr zam ngl
Also it was CSR Zam both sides, just stream error
chrome knot
uhuh
atomic mural
how do they put miraidon instead of csr 
next stump
the people working stream graphics have no idea about VGC
chrome knot
holy shit it's already June
happy pride month yayaaa
next stump
when I was backstage waiting for my stream match the 3 guys were asking me the most basic questions
"so.... why don't people use mewtwo?"
literally a question I got asked
chrome knot
Also it was CSR Zam both sides, just stream error
oh it literally was😭
bold geode
LOL
bold geode
solid frigate
even the game knows
foggy lodge
X
solid frigate
looks nice
foggy lodge
Updated
uneven viper
What item does Terapagos usually run when paired with Calyrex Shadow?
foggy lodge
Leftovers
chrome knot
why is cir ndw bottom tier
foggy lodge
Oh shit it is
shadow wind
What item does Terapagos usually run when paired with Calyrex Shadow?
Leftovers but there are cases for covert cloak
foggy lodge
It should be explorable I forgot
chrome knot
ur gonna watch Victoria Ly day 2 naic on it
uneven viper
Miraidon Calyrex shadow is too much damage also
knotty mirage
With most of restricted being heavyweight mon is it fine too replace heavy slam on zamazenta with behemoth bash ?
solid frigate
It should be explorable I forgot
its like at least decent but not like Uber good
next stump
With most of restricted being heavyweight mon is it fine too replace heavy slam ...
read through this
lot of smart players offering their thoughts
bold geode
I'm in there too 👉👈
foggy lodge
If you see a dollarmonke through the replies you should block it he is kinda toxic
atomic mural
What’s better on groudon right now; Fire punch or heat crash?
foggy lodge
Heat crash
bold geode
If you see a dollarmonke through the replies you should block it he is kinda tox...
Yeah honestly fuck that guy
knotty mirage
https://x.com/Wiltank/status/1928827991557099821
Yeah i need too sign in too read the comment i don't use twitter
But the vote said 54% to go on behemoth bash so i guess there my answer
next stump
bold geode
But the vote said 54% to go on behemoth bash so i guess there my answer
Heavy Slam if you want to hit smaller targets like Flutter or Amoonguss
Behemoth if you want to hit stuff like Tera Fairy Mirai better
forest arrow
I also think bulky whims can live it iirc
knotty mirage
Heavy Slam if you want to hit smaller targets like Flutter or Amoonguss
Behemoth...
Hmm yeah i think i will go for behemoth then koing restricted is prolly much more important than flutter or amoongus who i can just use my second restricted to deal with them
By second restricted i mean caly S which ussualy just makes those smaller mon to tera or switch out
bold geode
You can still likely ohko flutter
Less chance with Bash when Intimidated
Bash never OHKOs at -1 while Slam does depending on Flutter bulk
bold geode
I also think bulky whims can live it iirc
Both Flutter and Whims need a tera or an Atk drop to live it either way
forest arrow
good to know
uneven viper
Just curious on your guys opinion on the "best" terrain for Terapagos. I've seen most teams running Grassy Terrain, but I was wondering- If paired with Caly-Shadow as the other restricted, wouldn't it make sense to have Psychich Terrain?
I'm not so knowledegeable about Terapagos' ability, though. Terashell makes attacks ineffective, but if it teras it will erase the terrain. If Indeede switches out and then back in, would the terrain be in play again?
next stump
To answer your second part, yes, the terrain will reappear if you switch back in
it only destroys terrain the turn you terastalize
forest arrow
Not saying this is the best terrain, because I can’t answer that part but it did top cut Bologna today in 6th with miraidon
solid frigate
grassy Terrain is generally the best for it
dense latch
Just curious on your guys opinion on the "best" terrain for Terapagos. I've seen...
grassy terrain tends to be the best because the healing of grassy terrain + leftovers makes calm mind pagos great at getting tera shell back
rillaboom as a pokemon also helps pagos through fake out and you can get it in and out the game quickly with u-turn
so if you terastalize pagos and lose grassy terrain you can pivot rilla out and get it back later
oak geode
If every Mythical Pokemon got a Hidden Ability, what would they be? Excluding perhaps Mythicals with their own unique ability like Arceus
solid frigate
VGC says don't care but they do not need it
atomic mural
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/9f8825e0cf996995
How has this been working for you? I remember trying double don tailroom but I couldn't make it work
atomic mural
its been fine
shadow wind
shadow wind
the slow realization
First comes denial
vapid comet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cke6kWyWMQ&t=1382s
Probably just this team?
shadow wind
It does indeed have Tsareena
bold geode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cke6kWyWMQ&t=1382s
Probably just this team?
Oh the Mirai Ogre Utrecht team
Also hello Chrome enjoyer
modern cliff
What’s the best nature and move set for hydreigon?
next stump
It’s very weak in double battles currently but either modest or timid
and then moveset depends on if you’re playing single or double battles
vapid comet
Also hello Chrome enjoyer
spiral ridge
Made finals at local and faced (but lost) to Eric bush twice!
modern cliff
It’s very weak in double battles currently but either modest or timid
This is my team
next stump
is that for single battles?
modern cliff
Yea
spiral ridge
Bought shit
next stump
I don’t play those so I can’t help much
chrome knot
I don’t play those so I can’t help much
Olivia had to be the next tie breaker but real team won @ 3-2 so i made csr zam with just prio spam
molten oasis
3-4 today bummer
modern cliff
I don’t play those so I can’t help much
Can you ask someone that does because I’m going to bed
vapid comet
This is my team
What tier are you playing here?
OU?
actually there's an Annihilape, so the team isn't even OU legal
Is this for BSS?
because that's like... the 1 Singles format I have no experience with
dense latch
Can you ask someone that does because I’m going to bed
this channel is almost exclusively made up of vgc players so it might be hard to get recommendations here
vapid comet
None of these mons can actually keep up in the Ubers format unfortunately
shadow wind
Ape needs to go back down to OU
vapid comet
Annihilape is in Ubers... by being banned from OU, but it doesn't see any real usage
none of these other guys can even make it in the OU tier, most of them aren't even UU material
vapid comet
Ape needs to go back down to OU
no thanks
vapid comet
Dont need the entire ladder to consist of Screens teams again
bold geode
Dont need the entire ladder to consist of Screens teams again
But funny monkey
shadow wind
What are your guys' thoughts on the Volcarona Hearthpon debate?
molten oasis
Depends what the team needs
Hearth is better for like, damage and imo overall the better Mon but it’s worse into zama
Volc is great into CSR Zama teams but doesn’t do a bunch of damage and is worse into kyogre
shadow wind
Doesn't it do more into Zama cause the defense boost?
But yeah that's actually how I would describe it too
Volc is just that little more defensively supportive
molten oasis
Doesn't it do more into Zama cause the defense boost?
Hearth?
shadow wind
Volc I mean
molten oasis
True lol
shadow wind
And like follow me is just better rage powder
shadow wind
But no item can be limiting
I feel like I've better with Volc than Ogerpon
I also feel like Volc is better right now cause Incin is absolutely everywhere
molten oasis
That’s fair
shadow wind
Although both my restricteds can kill Incin so I don't even know what I'm saying
I just don't see any Ogerpons anymore
Nah there's no way Wellspring is at 2%
Maybe I've tuned out Ogerpons from my mind
molten oasis
It’s not as big as it was last reg
It can get bursted down easily, or the team just doesn’t need it
bold geode
I still think Cornerstone is good
Wellspring is fine
Hearth is good too I guess
Fuck Teal
chrome knot
I think this is how they intended it tbh
bold geode
I think this is how they intended it tbh
Ma'am what am I looking at
chrome knot
I alr got the raging bolt on this save
molten oasis
0 speed ursh?
bold geode
Hard TR
chrome knot
cir lunala hard tr
bold geode
I remember the first Toppo stream I watched he was using 0 speed Chi Yu
bold geode
<@817628066020065280> are u free rn
Sorry I'm at work rn
chrome knot
home
bold geode
I see
chrome knot
or to my second switch
foggy lodge
Top 16 paste https://pokepast.es/4d23971c85372f3a
shadow wind
What're the Incin ivs for?
ocean timber
What're the Incin ivs for?
underspeed 31IV -speed nature incins by exactly 1
& farigs/grimms/etc
chrome knot
NAIC prep is going well
bold geode
NAIC prep is going well
Did you eat shit ma'am
chrome knot
no..
bold geode
Not the dots after
chrome knot
it wasnt mee,,,,,
shadow wind
underspeed 31IV -speed nature incins by exactly 1
Why not just go zero speed then?
Hip hip hooray, 15 hunned
foggy lodge
spiral ridge
it wasn’t me..
hun's friend...
chrome knot
(it was me)
spiral ridge
ahhh
left bobcat
Did someone say 50% accuracy?
shadow wind
Did someone say 50% accuracy?
Groudon moment
gloomy gull
Im gonna start saying what the groudon in every day dialogue and people will think I am no weirder than they thought I was before lmfao
shadow wind
Truly what the Groudon
solid frigate
astral kelp
Yoo nice
foggy lodge
left bobcat
Hope u doing well bruh
ocean timber
NAIC prep is going well
ocean timber
Why not just go zero speed then?
faster fake out than all iron hands
chrome knot
slow parting shot, cir speed check also
tranquil kraken
NAIC prep is going well
emma 100%...
bold geode
slow parting shot, cir speed check also
solid frigate
lobotomy moment
dense latch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2377105415-biyfaerx3xf62w2w6lbratr4r4c1tblpw bullying pagos players is fun
life is so much easier when kyogre just decides to hit hydro pump
chrome knot
LMFAOO
dense latch
eerie impulse is such a funny move
i almost felt bad by the way they were still trying to get calm minds up
just almost though
molten oasis
life is so much easier when kyogre just decides to hit hydro pump
Sounds about right
rustic mountain
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2377105415-biyfaerx3xf62w2w6l...
common erik w
that was the saddest starstorm ever
bruh was convinced +3 sp def -6 sp atk pagos would win him the game
plain drum
bold geode
bruh was convinced +3 sp def -6 sp atk pagos would win him the game
TerAssPagos
rustic mountain
wen i saw it get 2-0d by csr i knew it was washed
bold geode
bold geode
Yeah that's the good MU
rustic mountain
i think dual restricted makes pagos on the border of viable. wen its good it can be great but can u get it there enough?
bold geode
Tbf
That turtle gameplay has been the same thing for basically an entire bloodline
I hate CM Pagos
rustic mountain
some players can actually play pagos that doesnt lead to the same fake out cm-pivot and protect or cm and repeat
its too linear
high lvl play can easily expose that
foggy lodge
Pagos was better in single restricted
bold geode
Yeah way too linear and even if it wasn't that linear, it just takes too long
foggy lodge
And I thought it would be better now because like
Yeah one restricteds plays fast and forces tera and pagos punishes them
bold geode
And I thought it would be better now because like
I knew it'd be worse
foggy lodge
But looks like it didn't play that way
Also the electric seed pagos team was crazy
Idk if it is good but it's crazy lol
rustic mountain
a lot of ppl did but yea its just too clashing w/ a lot of pairs and is not reasonable enough to usually justify a restricted slot vs the other 5-6 better options
in theory u think itd be a good punish but u also have to position it right and its such a tera hog
chrome knot
tree i bring csr zam to naic,,,,
rustic mountain
bold geode
Right
I think the CSR Pagos hype at the end was actually overrated
rustic mountain
tree i bring csr zam to naic,,,,
excellent 
bold geode
I think people just saw "oh here's two restricted that work with double Fake Out" and called it a day
rustic mountain
mirror will be annoying but its such a good duo
chrome knot
mirror is fine
foggy lodge
It's the best duo rn imo
chrome knot
look pm
rustic mountain
ok
bold geode
Nah
People gonna prep against it
bold geode
Though I think we're really at the stage now where like
The diversity is now like centralizing a bit more but still diverse enough that it's interesting
rustic mountain
eh
bold geode
u dont think ppl prepped against it for bologna?
Yeah
They prepped for it by just bringing it
bold geode
Looked like a damn stable out there
foggy lodge
Still
The top 4 match from Bologna and Portland is why I will never play CSR Zama lol
bold geode
Yeah honestly I just hate the potential mirrors now but I got ways around it
foggy lodge
I hate speed ties
chrome knot
Nah
People gonna prep against it
idt so, naic will be pick something you’re comfortable on and cope with having a losing mu you can win with outplay
bold geode
The top 4 match from Bologna and Portland is why I will never play CSR Zama lol
Bro refuses to play gas
foggy lodge
ALSO
bold geode
idt so, naic will be pick something you’re comfortable on and cope with having a...
I think that's honestly the right way of this format
chrome knot
most people dont have a full grasp on what will perform exceptionally well because different teams have been winning each time
bold geode
I literally think until literally worlds comes upon us there won't be an Arubega
Idt an Arubega will appear
foggy lodge
Also I hope NAIC comes with sauce
Because going to Bologna was kinda horrible because
rustic mountain
formats dont guarantee rinya suns or arubegas
wet wedge
foggy lodge
You may have a call but can't use it at Bologna because maybe it's better for NAIC but nothing ensures it will work at NAIC
wet wedge
I just won a game without taking any given move 😭
dense latch
common erik w
ty :)) thundy makes playing vs pagos so fun
gentle cragBOT
ty :)) thundy makes playing vs pagos so fun
eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.
rustic mountain
free rep
bold geode
Thing is I think people should realize too
One thing that helped Arubega come about was that there was basically a formula for that team that was like 90% there, the issue was fixing the other 10%
Like if you look from Indy to Worlds, the formula for Miraidon was essentially very similar if not the same therefore the people that sticked to this formula were trying to figure out what 1-2 Pokemon complete the formula best instead of trying to figure out a formula
rustic mountain
who knows who many teams were a thing or 2 away from becoming a dominant team comp, i think its more how the format plays out too theres so many ebbs and flows, even arubega at the end of reg g 2 was like nowhere near as relevant or dominant
bold geode
So far rn
Idt there's too many formulas figured out
So like
There can't be an Arubega at least right this second cuz the mold for an Arubega imo still hasn't been exactly set yet
chrome knot
im arubega
dense latch
omg arubega
bold geode
Now can that mold be set before Worlds? Very well can be
But with there being quite a few good duos that honestly can still beat their bad MUs thru good play, idt the chances are particularly too high
Though I think if we're gonna see these chances, it's gonna start at NAIC
Rn if someone has truly found something that's just gonna knock your socks off, it's gonna be at New Orleans
Cuz with a big tournament with participants coming from around the world happening before Worlds, it's honestly a perfect grounds to find that
rustic mountain
idk how well u can hide the sauce at this point but yea i think a lot of players will be saving their best stuff (if they even have any) for one of the biggest tours of the szn
chrome knot
hello naic
rustic mountain
like weve been shown that to be the case so many times b4 so yea its a safe assumption
median stag
Yo
next stump
something to also consider about Bologna is there were probably only 30-40 players in attendance that didn’t feel pressure from the Worlds race. Everyone else had to bring what they thought was the strongest team, so they couldn’t hide anything
No sense in not trying your absolute best/using all your techs in that last EU tourney
median stag
I was wondering if hacked Pokemon can be used in comp. Like the ones where their just shiny and have good stats but still function in the exact same way like a legitimate one.
bold geode
No sense in not trying your absolute best/using all your techs in that last EU t...
Yeah I'm
I mean I'd have to look back at results but I didn't really catch like any eye candy
Really only saw teams that were already seen
next stump
I was wondering if hacked Pokemon can be used in comp. Like the ones where their...
we’re not allowed to chat about that here since we are an officially partnered server. What I will say is that you will get disqualified from IRL tournaments if anything doesn’t pass a hack check
If you have more questions, DM me
median stag
K
chrome knot
93spe for meteor beams into middle spe incin
molten oasis
TerAssPagos
True
rustic mountain
something to also consider about Bologna is there were probably only 30-40 playe...
yea thats super fair
different qualification parameters this year makes it different for ppl who are on the edge of points and really need that final push for the szn for top 75
or even ofc going for the auto
shadow wind
Newest version of the team, did great just wanted to see if anyone had any ideas for it
molten oasis
Very nice
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2377287278
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2377288507
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2377289409
Buddy you play Showdown in bo3 there is no way you call me cheating
chrome knot
ngl skipped to end to see if he’d yap more but
was quite disappointed seeing only 1 message
shadow wind
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2377287278
https://replay....
Urshifu is cheating so it makes sense
Also why is your Torn so frail?
atomic mural
i just realised if we get z moves in champions eevee becomes niche again
solid frigate
Also why is your Torn so frail?
because
Max speed Timid
solid frigate
But that does outspeed a lot
and game 3 is just kill Their Urshifu and then sweep
idk where the fuck they say cheating
like they have the same Duo Tornshifu
shadow wind
Cheater
chrome knot
yeah dont show up to euic PUNK
solid frigate
yeah dont show up to euic PUNK
what if i do in next year 
chrome knot
i kick ur butt :3
solid frigate
i kick ur butt :3
intimidates you
Knock Off you
Parting Shots you
molten oasis
Tera water 👍
shadow wind
Bro I join the VGC chat on showdown and some guy immediately says that he beat me on ladder 😭
This guy is like 1200
What has this game become 😔
molten oasis
Stale
shadow wind
Like god forbid a guy lose
chrome knot
Flare Blitz :p
AAAAAAA
molten oasis
I thought that was ai for a second
craggy dagger
chrome knot
craggy dagger
oh
summer shore
🚷
heady onyx
What has this game become 😔
for some players a shitshow of ego demonstraton
i ranked very highly MB last month, like my best ranking ever
some player told me that is wasn't valuable since it's not the real game
it's like everyone and their mother are doing tournaments and are going to Worlds or some shit lmao
shadow wind
Like I dislike Bo1 CTS ladder but it's still impressive
heady onyx
Like any game at a high level is impressive
not even the level being super high, competitive Mon is super niche in the community
shadow wind
True
heady onyx
prize pools are getting a tad bit more generous
solid frigate
next stump
People would be dumb to say people like Suica and Erizabeth aren’t among the best VGC players in the world
solid frigate
you do Bo1 CTS, you suck
bro just called out the entire Japanese Circuit
solid frigate
People would be dumb to say people like Suica and Erizabeth aren’t among the bes...
everyone is respectable in some way or another
chrome knot
People would be dumb to say people like Suica and Erizabeth aren’t among the bes...
where’d this even come from
molten oasis
https://tenor.com/view/honkai-star-rail-on-my-way-hsr-on-my-way-hsr-text-hsr-hya...
What is the context/reasoning for this gif
I’ve seen you use it and I don’t get it lol
craggy dagger
sounded funny :3
but what kind of salad would i be
chrome knot
but what kind of salad would i be
fruit salad yummy yummy
next stump
where’d this even come from
the convo above about bo1
molten oasis
chrome knot
the convo above about bo1
i read above then realized i didn’t really wanna read
heady onyx
bro just called out the entire Japanese Circuit
i think you missed the context, i was calling out the elitist attitude some players shield their ego with regarding the purity of OTS vs CTS (cart ladder vs Bo3 showdown basically)
which I find disturbingly arrogant for no reasons
I managed to rank in the double digits on Master Ball last season
And to them, it's like nothing
im never truly surprised tbh
since I seen this attitude here a fair amount of times
bold geode
since I seen this attitude here a fair amount of times
If I remember correctly, I told you to stop throwing shade at people like this
chrome knot
not this again bruh
heady onyx
If I remember correctly, I told you to stop throwing shade at people like this
i cba, no name was mentioned
bold geode
It was still off handed, even if not directed at anyone
heady onyx
you are giving me elitist attitude yet again
why ?
u gonna tell me I didn't witness this
is my perspective untruthful ?
bold geode
Cuz you like to throw shade at people like you're higher than thou for no reason
You know what nah
heady onyx
who am I targeting
bold geode
<@&663761167176433665> guy giving trouble for the 100th time
heady onyx
pls do tell, i want to know, none of my messages are edited
see you are giving me the elitist attitude
calling in the moderators for me calling out what happened to me on showdown
foggy lodge
@bold geode I found pizza doritos
bold geode
since I seen this attitude here a fair amount of times
I don't see how this isn't clearly an insult to people in this channel, which I have warned you not to do
heady onyx
<@&663761167176433665> guy giving trouble for the 100th time
<@&663761167176433665> I'm being targeted by this individual for no good reasons
tranquil kraken
calm down please, what's going on
heady onyx
100th time... I'd like to understand these 100 times
bold geode
If you can't see thru your own bullshit, then I'm sorry for you
heady onyx
again the elitist attitude
chrome knot
monke that doesn’t help
tranquil kraken
please 🙏 stop arguing
bold geode
calm down please, what's going on
Guy keeps insulting people for no reason
heady onyx
why are you targetin g me like this ?!?!
heady onyx
Guy keeps insulting people for no reason
who give me names
tranquil kraken
let me read
heady onyx
you will not slander me without specifics
tranquil kraken
barbossa please s
faint quarry
barbossa stop unless you'd like to be muted while we address the case
chrome knot
wheres pride event :<
bold geode
Fuck it I'm out of here cuz I actually have to do real life shit, y'all have fun addressing this bs
tranquil kraken
wheres pride event :<
soon tm
solid frigate
hi mods
chrome knot
yay!!
solid frigate
Emma want some popcorn
chrome knot
yes
heady onyx
waiting for mods idk
chrome knot
where are we at
we at #competitive_discussion
bold geode
I just wanna add on for any parties not associated to plz keep quiet and don't add at this time, thank you
Imma actually go do real life stuff now, y'all take care and behave plz 🫡
tranquil kraken
barbossa
i've asked you respectfully to calm down
on three occasions
you're just adding fire to the fuel
heady onyx
so they can tell us to behave and they have nothing to do ?!?!
i wanna understand the whole thing tbh
chrome knot
hello.. @solid frigate
heady onyx
im very calm
tranquil kraken
if you give me some time to understand the whole thing so i can judge the situation, that would be appreciated, your added commentary is completely unneccesary and works against you
solid frigate
hello.. <@758873265053106217>
i'm just here
chrome knot
queue me
heady onyx
if you give me some time to understand the whole thing so i can judge the situat...
what have I done ?!?!
im very confused
chrome knot
LMFAO
chrome knot
parting shot intimidate swap intimidate fake out😱
solid frigate
parting shot intimidate swap intimidate fake out😱
ah yes the Code
chrome knot
yeha
chrome knot
HAPPY PRIDE STIMKY
solid frigate
damn
chrome knot
I LOVE U SM
ilysm too :3
bold geode
Oh yeah who in the chat gay and shit cuz I love all y'all
bold geode
Shout-out all my gay homies this month
bold geode
kinda phobic of u...
I mean do we include them this month or
chrome knot
no they all disappear
merry summit
i will make em
chrome knot
i will make em
hi im em
bold geode
True
I had to become fruity to not turn into Ash baby
Like a major company
Btw, shout-out to the companies still turning gay this month, I feel some are not doing so cuz of uh
A certain guy
But some still are and they're kinda based
solid frigate
bold geode
Actually
@chrome knot is it phobic to hate Ho Oh since it's a rainbow bird
chrome knot
nah
spiral ridge
Btw, shout-out to the companies still turning gay this month, I feel some are no...
multiple companies pulled back DEI and had huge capital drops :3
chrome knot
hit it with rock type ivy cudgel
bold geode
Ok good I got the pass on Ho Oh
And yes
I do the Cudgel
bold geode
multiple companies pulled back DEI and had huge capital drops :3
As in stopped fucking with diversity or fucking with it again
bold geode
Well fuck em
chrome knot
Well fuck em
dont do this please
bold geode
both walmart and target got fucked in the ass a touch for pulling it back
Oh yeah I heard about that
bold geode
dont do this please
Ma'am I can't sleep with a bunch of buildings it's ok
Actually wasn't there a guy on My Strange Addiction that was in a relationship with his car?
chrome knot
she/they
spiral ridge
she just is em lol
spiral ridge
oh shut up
chrome knot
bold geode
https://tenor.com/view/giant-fatass-bnuuy-bunny-bnuuy-rabbit-rabbit-whatever-gif...
DAMN THAT A FATASS BNUUY
chrome knot
me
bold geode
Have you seen one of those huge bunnies irl? They're actually kinda massive
solid frigate
DAMN THAT A FATASS BNUUY
ocean timber
pet the bnuuy
tranquil kraken
!bnuuy
chrome knot
im the bunny in question
solid frigate
Bnuuy
chrome knot
@ocean timber is ur pfp bloom into you? :3
tranquil kraken
also, just in general for the future, if either staff or mods are handling something, please refrain from any comments adding to the fuel, it’s really unproductive. y’all should know that by now. i’m not saying this to any one individual, just a PSA
ocean timber
<@525677605513592842> is ur pfp bloom into you? :3
yeag
bold geode
pet the bnuuy
I have noticed you are new
Welcome
solid frigate
I have noticed you are new
Welcome
who is she btw
solid frigate
fair
ocean timber
who is she btw
someone who is x-3 dropping NAIC 🔥 🔥 🔥
ocean timber
but like half based bc sayaka is blehhh
light novels did her justice tbf
chrome knot
read the rest of bloom past the anime like long ass time ago and remember her only getting worse
chrome knot
someone who is x-3 dropping NAIC 🔥 🔥 🔥
omg see you there n stuff
do u know if theyre gonna have the sisterhood tourney ?
ocean timber
read the rest of bloom past the anime like long ass time ago and remember her on...
true they rushed her arc in the manga
and idk im just there for pokemon and gayness (pride) too bc why not
wait that is pokemon but I still don’t know
next stump
x-3 NAIC is my middle name
last 2 years baby
6-3 and 5-3
wait NVM it wasn’t 8 rounds last year, just two 6-3’s
bold geode
6-3 and 5-3
Consistency 🔥
foggy lodge
why not go from x-3 NAIC to 11-0 NAIC
solid frigate
finally succumb to CSR Zama
molten oasis
Think I’m done with this format rn, loss after loss because you run seed bomb CIR or the amoonguss has mental herb, every out possible against my favor
Sooooo fun
astral kelp
holy shit this top cut melbourne
solid frigate
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2377405809
Fucking hell how did you throw
lost sun
isn't encore disable suppose to make Pokémon struggle
shadow wind
If you disable then encore yes but if you encore then disable it'll still take a turn I believe
craggy dagger
yup
shadow wind
Guys does Shiny Groudon look cool next to Miraidon?
shadow wind
Yellow everywhere though
Good theming
And shiny Volc is also yellow
I actually love shiny Volc
solid frigate
ehhhhhh
shadow wind
The purple is awesome
I don't know, I really like it
Also biased because I just love Volc as a whole
rustic mountain
Nah I'd X-3
0-x in swiss is such a good username (luka paz's)
shadow wind
Look at this bum in the comments
Also yeah, Lunadon will always be in the back of my mind
Groudon will be paired with either Lunala or Miraidon if it's going to do well
Maybe I give another shot at Lunadon
rustic mountain
Also yeah, Lunadon will always be in the back of my mind
yea ik u were testing it early
shadow wind
Recently it's been all Miraidon Groudon
rustic mountain
bad enough having 1 restricted that can miss, no reason to make it 2
shadow wind
Exactly
Lunala does a pretty good job at replacing Flutter
In terms of stab coverage anyway
cyan smelt
Is calm mind lefties lunala any good
rustic mountain
Is calm mind lefties lunala any good
idt its bad but idk the whole cm restricted thing seems not so strong in dres
rustic mountain
as nice as it is to have wide guard u dont wanna relegate lunala to that role cuz ur team sucks at dealing w/ a specific mon/type
shadow wind
Incredibly true
I guess bulk up Groudon does deal with CIR pretty handily though
But it's all different in real games
Really creative I know
Well that's the team made, who knows if it works
rustic mountain
seems ok
shadow wind
Yeah it doesn't seem crazy
Just seems like a Groudon team
I guess I'll test it out tomorrow and see how it does
I'm expecting mid results
The lefties grassy terrain Lunala stuff only really works when it has protect
Maybe I go protect over wide guard
Someone hates Volcarona
Ah heck nah
No reflect or nothin
astral kelp
wait thats one billion iq
heady onyx
im looking at the reg I development and Brute Bonnet looks promising ngl
just got a shiny one and I'm gonna make a team around this one
have the fresh Koraidon available too with Scarlet done, Sun team here we come
mighty stump
im looking at the reg I development and Brute Bonnet looks promising ngl
Late to the party 🥳
Its ok
astral kelp
??
spiral ridge
Teehee
next stump
LOL
next stump
it's an old video from generation 8 series 13
all they revealed was max quake (from earthquake probably) and coaching Zamazenta for it\
bold geode
Late to the party 🥳
Hey Tofu
chrome knot
hey monke
solid frigate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aN4m_3dfpY
astral kelp
it doesnt even make sense like eruption groudon does 
btw any ideas for this random team ive been running
its weirdly been workign
but like yk when something keeps working but it shouldnt be and you just know that sometimes it just doesnt work lmao
next stump
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2377690602-xge31ik0hgp9ij5k39gm5n5uuxvds88pw
This felt soooo good hahaha
next stump
I wanted the attack boost on CIR, I think Lance + Psychic Noise/Foul Play is also super acceptable and would have worked out even better
but with the defense boost on Farig I knew I could double TR if needed
chrome knot
i mean like
nothing can ever switch into lance & farig attackih
if they wg ur killing lunala & they run out of time with tr turns with no tera and 1 protect mon
next stump
100%, but I think them staying in with Lunala objectively makes more sense than switching out. And if they’re gonna stay in, HH is better to get the boost
I also had the tools in the back to handle a switch play
If it was just CIR and Farig I would have probably lanced
They win the game if they stay in with Lunala, wide guard + sack it, and then stall out TR (probably) whereas they ALWAYS lose if they let Rilla + Groudon die so I was playing around that. I think at a regional they’re always clicking Wide Guard
chrome knot
gm
solid frigate
hoi
exotic grotto
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2377729893-ft5w4gx4spq8vqhr4g...
You played phenomenally! Miraidon and Kyogre is a strong pair, and you used them perfectly!
solid frigate
You played phenomenally! Miraidon and Kyogre is a strong pair, and you used them...
not really
if Calyrex is not Tera Water i lose
also rocky ass start from turn 1
bold geode
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2377729893-ft5w4gx4spq8vqhr4g...
I think Grimm over Torn here and a little better positioning with the Kyogre could've made this way cleaner
I think Screens would've provided way more value than the option of clicking Rain Dance to weaken Korai and TW is just never the play really
Which is shown by the fact that honestly you couldn't bring in Torn until the late game cuz you couldn't get it in freely after not leading it
Actually Grimm + Water type in lead with other Water type and Mirai in back could've been good
Cuz then you're not immediately pressured to hard switch something out and either way even if they do happen to lead Koraidon, if you lead Kyogre they instantly lose Sun and if you lead Ursh well a T Wave + a U Turn could also bring in Kyogre to do the same
chrome knot
honk
knotty briar
This is the first time I've made it to master ball tier with no losses
Calyrex-ice with Necrozma-dawn wings is busted
chrome knot
homk
bold geode
Good shit
knotty briar
I'm guessing cuz you said no honk
chrome knot
stream diving for a prize by sea lemon
bold geode
What
next stump
This is the first time I've made it to master ball tier with no losses
Calyrex-...
hell yeah congrats 😄
dense latch
):
spiral ridge
Whale not happy
bold geode
<a:bongoowl:1373491191215161414>
chrome knot
<a:bongoowl:1373491191215161414>
butthead
chrome knot
yeah ur butthead. :3