competitive_discussion

[dense latch]

singles or doubles?

[acoustic zinc]

doubles

[dense latch]

imma be 100% honest i just see it more with csr zama lmao so i assume it must be for a reason

it’s also nice to counter that ground weakness

also to answer the other question it’s gonna be really really hard to make inteleon work in the current regulation

there’s no inteleon teams i can think of

[acoustic zinc]

i been having trouble with it tbh

[dense latch]

because it’s just insanely outclassed

[acoustic zinc]

rn im using swift swim w pelipper and basculegion

[astral kelp]

yeahh i guess thats true counters the ground weakness
moon is nice because it like actually does consistent damage bleakwind is like one of my most hated moves
torn does have pretty good typing, moons weakness to fairy and fighting and flying is pretty rough in reg i meta

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Inteleon is very much not a good pick for this current regulation. Even in a low power format, it struggled hard. In this higher power format it basically sucks

Better water types, strong electric and grass types, a whole slew of super powered legendary mons. Just a poor time for the guy

[acoustic zinc]

poor time to play inteleon ig

[astral kelp]

wait i just had a great idea
what if instead of running ogerpon cornerstone ( 👎 ) i run wellspring

why is no one running wellspring btwe

just urshifu competition?

[lofty tartan]

Yeah if you still want to play it, totally fine, just recognize that Inteleon is not a strong contender

[acoustic zinc]

i think ima wait to see if he gets any buffs

[lofty tartan]

It's very unlikely.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 818: Inteleon

Type

Water

Abilities

Torrent, Sniper (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/85/65/125/65/120

Total

530

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

oh its actually quite fast

[lofty tartan]

He's a Gen 8 mon so pretty recent. Starters are not always good.

Yeah he's fast just doesn't stand up to the competition

[astral kelp]

looks like a good sash holder if the ability didnt like force you to use the crit chance increase thing

[acoustic zinc]

yeah i have him w snipe shot ice beam dark pulse and protect w the scope lens

[tiny karma]

Move: Morning Sun

The user restores 1/2 of its maximum HP if Delta Stream or no weather conditions are in effect or if the user is holding Utility Umbrella, 2/3 of its maximum HP if the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, and 1/4 of its maximum HP if the weather is Primordial Sea, Rain Dance, Sandstorm, or Snow, all rounded half down.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Heal

Cannot be selected under Heal Block.

Snatch

Affected by Snatch.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[cyan smelt]

Idk if this would work, I've got Groudon, sandy shocks and solgaleo so far and the idea is that sandy shocks uses bulldoze for solgaleo and gravity for Groudon

[lofty tartan]

It sounds so overly gimmicky

[cyan smelt]

Yeah thought so

[real prairie]

No Ludicolo = not me

[astral kelp]

oh i rmember this one lol

[astral kelp]

Oh god this hurts

[astral kelp]

i was looking over heavy slam vs behemoth bash

behemoth bash is better for specifically hitting tera fairy miraidon and pretty much nothing else lmao

[lean falcon]

He guys, is anybody here who has a lot of experience in vgc doubles? Playing the miraidon + lunala Team atm from Milwaukee and the core is really clear with grimm + miraidon lead, Setting screens and later come on with lunala and ursaluna. Incineroar obv good in March ups against physical offensive teams but in which matchup u would bring the urshifu?

[chrome knot]

terapagos

[cyan smelt]

That Milwaukee team is so good

[foggy lodge]

CIR

[mint void]

Got more popular due to the rise of tang cores tera fairy CIR

[astral kelp]

ursaluna kinda cleans huh

why is choice band shifu dark common but band shifu rapid doesnt exist

[tiny karma]

Dark, Fighting

Hits for 0.5x

Fairy

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Grass, Ground, Poison, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dark, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.2

Water, Fighting

Hits for 1x

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Poison, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dark, Fire, Ground, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

idk lol

[solid frigate]

Urshifu Dark uses TR more better than Urshifu Water anyway

+Urshifu water has multiple Multipliers outside of items

[spiral ridge]

Speed on rapid is better as it can better hit faster threats

Dark has such a good prio move it doesn’t need to out speed necessarily

[solid frigate]

+Surging Strikes Buffed by Rain

which is the exact amount of Buff of a Choice Band

[spiral ridge]

Yeah and it can go mystic water for more

[chrome knot]

you wont believe what just won a regional

[astral kelp]

ohhh ic sucker punch diff that makes sense

[astral kelp]

band shifu :0

[solid frigate]

rn the best item is scarf or sash imo cuz band water shifu is kinda niche

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

[chrome knot]

mystic water >

[astral kelp]

oh shit thats crazt

wtf is 1 through 7

i assume its time but like what is 7 time

WAIT all of these tournament standings are highest at first place lmfao

[bold geode]

Emma
Uh
I got my ass kicked by Raghav

[chrome knot]

good job

[bold geode]

LOL

Literally first game of my GC run, I see his shit and I'm like "oh fuck"

[lofty tartan]

Nice

[bold geode]

Tbf CB Urshifu did more damage than I thought
Was a good note

Other than that I'm 8-7 which ain't that good but considering what I'm using
Going positive is a win

[spiral ridge]

Go 20-7 rn you won’t

[bold geode]

Considering I have to wait til tonight to play more games
Yeah I won't rn

[spiral ridge]

RN

[exotic grotto]

Good luck on the Global Challenge, trainer! Give it your all!

[real prairie]

4 losses to disconnects today, fun stuff

[solid frigate]

i'm so done-

[real prairie]

Yep, looking forward to 6 months off tbh

[solid frigate]

the good thing is i am not using Mirai Ogre

so all of Mirai Ogre results are gonna be showdown related

[real prairie]

Doesn't matter what I'm using if the game throws me out and tells me it's my fault 🤣

All 4 from winning positions too

[solid frigate]

i only won twice

[real prairie]

I'm 8-7 , which considering the 4 disconnects is heartbreaking

[solid frigate]

sad

[real prairie]

Gonna play some expedition 33 instead

[solid frigate]

new photo for my Blog (From Honkai Star Rail)

[bold geode]

Same lol

[dense latch]

https://youtu.be/8WaHIt179kM?si=msSwjqnX6ZFJUCDm

[chrome knot]

@real prairie i bringing kyogre to cup tmrw

[real prairie]

Go smash it

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/koraidon-pokemon-koraidon-14oliverhedgehog-oliver-blaze-tinkaton-gif-862159613118901355

she will yess

[heady ether]

//weak thundurus

[tiny karma]

Thundurus [Electric/Flying]

Immune

Ground

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fighting, Flying, Grass, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ice, Rock

Type Notes

Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[bold geode]

Helloing Emma

[chrome knot]

hay

[gloomy gull]

So I been tossing around idea in my head. Ceruledge is my favorite new mon from gen 9, so would like to include him in a team. Considering Koraidon/Ceruledge as the first two in the team. Koraidon can generate a sunny day so I don't have to use a turn to do sunny day on Ceruledge. Give Ceruledge a metronome and spam Bitter Blade against anything it is effective/super effective against or dragon claw against anything that would hit hard against. Even though I have not thought about what other mons I will include in the team, anyone have any thoughts on that or thoughts on using Ceruledge in competitive at all?

[next stump]

are you aiming to play single or double battles?

[gloomy gull]

Double.

Was also going to be looking into an ability for Ceruledge that would work well with Koraidon haven't spent much time on it yet, just been kicking this around.

[next stump]

I definitely think that duo could work

You’ll need a second restricted legendary pokemon

[solid frigate]

Calyrex Tower Rider

[atomic mural]

i have seen caly ice koraidon and i dont see the vision

[astral kelp]

is there like a good updated sheet for speed tiers (including in tailwind stuff)

[solid frigate]

won 7 times in a row

with Mirai Ogre

against Mirai Zac,CalyOgre (Shadow),Korai Reshiram,ZacOgre,Caly Zac (Ice),Korai Caly S and Korai Ho-Oh

[astral kelp]

fuck man is it worth eving to outspeed adamant koraidon

[bold geode]

@tame sky plz refrain from messaging in #rental_teams unless you are sharing a rental as that's what the channel is for

[gloomy gull]

Hmm...actuallly...I think this team could be double bike

I'll have to dig into it a bit more

[tiny karma]

Grass, Rock

Hits for 0.5x

Steel

Hits for 1x

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ghost, Grass, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar

Hits for 2x

Bug, Fire, Flying, Ground, Ice, Rock, Water

Sableye version 4.28.2

[atomic mural]

First master ball game I lost because of losing 2 speed ties

[astral kelp]

25% chance riparoo

these 3 would never be max speed adamant/modest right

oh i guess miraidon is mostly modest

[lean ridge]

I’m running timid mirai

[astral kelp]

Yeah like makes sense

[lean ridge]

Yea with specs and all the multipliers I feel like I rarely need the extra investment to ohko stuff

[astral kelp]

Is it worth it to ev around neutral speed nature? Like when I'm playing I'm gonna have to like hope and pray that it outspeeds

[astral kelp]

Fully agree mirai super overkill

[lean ridge]

I’m not too sure tbh, I find I speed tie quite often even with mirai timid

[solid frigate]

i still think Modest is the best for Mirai cuz kill confirms against Ice Rider would be a lot more comfortable

[lean ridge]

i see

[mint void]

You can check trends on stat crusher or other pages or build your team so u figure out their speed tiers through different indicators.

[lean ridge]

would it usually be lead with some form of speed control if its modest?

[foggy lodge]

It's the standard for this format I think

I think bulky Mirai is a fraud for this format

Unless you are AV

[astral kelp]

is that better than munchstats?

[solid frigate]

its just doesn't feel like Miraidon

[astral kelp]

thats cool as ass

[lean ridge]

do caly ices run more special bulk now? the current calc im seeing is 82% chance to ohko with specs timid mirai

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

They run a lot of spd to not die against Miraidon

[lean ridge]

i see

[foggy lodge]

I've seen like 252 HP 92 SpD

[astral kelp]

that cant be right tho

[solid frigate]

is it with specs in mind

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Its what yuta ishugaki used

Ishigaki*

[lean ridge]

might just tera electric in front of every caly ice to be safe

[gloomy gull]

Ok so I still gotta work out some abilities, held items, and most moves but this is what I have for my Ceruledge team. Koraidon, Miraidon, Ceruledge, Armarouge, Iron Hands, Walking Wake. But also I am pretty drunk

[cyan smelt]

Seems like astral barrage food

[lean ridge]

😭

[astral kelp]

220 Atk Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Protosynthesis Brute Bonnet: 72-86 (33.1 - 39.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery wtf thats crazy how tanky is brute bonnet

[lean ridge]

i see the vision but its definitely missing some speed control

[tiny karma]

Brute Bonnet [Grass/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Electric, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Water

Neutral damage

Dragon, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ice, Poison

Weak (4x)

Bug

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[cyan smelt]

I want to use something with prankster misty terrain because I'm tired of electric seed lunala and ursaluna so my only two options are klefki and grimmsnarl

[atomic mural]

tankier than amoonguss

[astral kelp]

what a beast no wonder its seeing so much play

[lean ridge]

protosynthesis defense is crazy good yea

the defensive typing isnt great tho 1 uturn and hes cooked

[astral kelp]

that calc wasnt even sun

[gloomy gull]

I actually only decided Iron Hands because I was using him to HP EV farm for some other mons and I realized he had an electric terrain ability

[astral kelp]

i legit might run u-turn and tera ghost instead of acrobatics

[cyan smelt]

You need speed control

[gloomy gull]

I need 3 different mons in the last 3 spots lol

[atomic mural]

you actually dont even need a defense boost to survive a glacial lance

[lean ridge]

u can run speed booster flutter with icy wind instead of walking wake

[atomic mural]

164+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Glacial Lance vs. 220 HP / 60 Def Brute Bonnet: 180-212 (84.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[cyan smelt]

You probably need a way of reducing special damage too like snarl

[astral kelp]

wait how does misty terrain help with that?

[cyan smelt]

Misty terrain doesn't activate electric seed or burn for guts

[astral kelp]

they just switch miraidon in and get the seed/activated tho

[cyan smelt]

And stops incin from burning

[astral kelp]

oh isee anti guts makes sense

[cyan smelt]

At the very least I can set up screens first then ko miraidon and set up misty terrain

[astral kelp]

yeah terrain control plus anti burn

[cyan smelt]

I need screens so Groudon can survive a draco

[astral kelp]

misty surge wheezing

[lean ridge]

groudon is interesting idt ive seen one yet in ranked

what are u pairing it with

[astral kelp]

kalos im ngl at some point youre gonna have to stop coping groudon hes so ass

[cyan smelt]

Was trying lunala

[lean ridge]

i like it ngl, good mirai counter and sun setter

[foggy lodge]

Gang use stealth rock clefairy

[cyan smelt]

Until it gets hit with draco

[foggy lodge]

Tera ground stealth rock clefairy👍

btw I want a shiny entei damn

[next stump]

think of miraidon’s 2 main partners though

CIR and lunala

neither of which groudon loves facing

so you just drop a draco into groudon, take 75% of its HP probably, and play the game from there

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but koraidon doesn't love electro drift either

That's why I was thinking misty terrain Grimm or klefki, to reduce Draco damage, prevent guts

[tiny karma]

Roaring Moon [Dragon/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Electric, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Water

Neutral damage

Flying, Ground, Normal, Poison, Rock, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dragon, Fighting, Ice

Weak (4x)

Fairy

Sableye version 4.28.2

[cyan smelt]

Also stops sacred fire burns and will o wisp

And the odd toxic

[lean ridge]

yea thats true mirai CIR is pretty common and groudon cant deal with CIR too well

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-pokemon-forces-of-nature-landorus-landlos-tornadus-gif-16172877878845363419

[foggy lodge]

btw Dillon is it fine if I ask what was your miraidon spread?

Completely understandable if you don't want to make it public tho

[next stump]

there will be a video out on sunday and after that i will be happy to share

it’s nothing crazy though

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh I'll be hoping for the video ahaha

[solid frigate]

instantly Subcribed probably

[cyan smelt]

Misty terrain heavily nerfs Draco meteor

[solid frigate]

we know cuz me and Monke actually considered that before in reg G

[cyan smelt]

And when they volt switch out it gives me space to set up screens

[astral kelp]

guys
what do you think about u-turn instad of acrobatics on roaring moon?

[solid frigate]

no

god no

[astral kelp]

acrobatics isnt that good in my team because of wheezing but i cant really think of many better options

[astral kelp]

really that bad?

[lean ridge]

i assume its booster energy roaring right

if so i think acrobatics is definitely better

[astral kelp]

you can kinda just waste the protoboost but with weezing thats not neccesarily true

one of the teams best leads is wheezing moon because of the whole turning off prankster thing

but yeah idk i just feel like moon doesnt have many better options

[bold geode]

Oh you releasing YT content?

[solid frigate]

You do realise that exposes your Roaring moon as well-

[astral kelp]

yeah no booster so it gets outsped by a lot of stuff

but i can always just switch weezer out

[bold geode]

Imma be real @cyan smelt
It's not really worth it

[lean ridge]

whats the idea behind the weezing roaring moon lead?

[astral kelp]

moon outspeeds all the prankster tailwind setters, weezing is evd to outspeed the prankster tailwind setters in tailwind with a taunt

big tempo play

[cyan smelt]

Then I might go back to Indeedee lunala Groudon bolt

[lean ridge]

ohh i see so ur just blocking their tailwind for speed control

[bold geode]

Not horrible idea

[astral kelp]

yup
weezing can out taunt grimm too its great

[lean ridge]

once u set up ur tailwind are u dealing damage with the moon?

[astral kelp]

so it lets me win a lot of the csr matchups and zamazenta can sweep sometimes

[next stump]

my friend bobby does

he made the team

[astral kelp]

yeah i was running a offensive moon but idk im really reconsidering it

[cyan smelt]

With brute bonnet maybe, maybe with proto def boost it can survive a guts facade

[astral kelp]

i was unironically considering ability shield whimsycott

actually felt pretty good but no sash, whimsy not really having too much space for protect and no covert cloak on whimsy kinda sucks lol

[lean ridge]

what if u just set up a TR instead of trying to block the opposing tailwind?

[astral kelp]

eh i guess
its a csr team tho

[lean ridge]

i see yea it might be a lil weird

[bold geode]

Oh shit I remember Bobby
Drop the link my boy, I wanna see the YT channel

[mint void]

Squishy + negative priority are pretty mid

[lean ridge]

yea i didnt realize it was a csr team

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 487: Giratina

Types

Ghost/Dragon

Abilities

Pressure, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

150/100/120/100/120/90

Total

680

Other Formes

Giratina-Origin

Sableye version 4.28.2

[bold geode]

@chrome knot I'm fighting Ben Grissmer LOL

[dense latch]

hype!! what’s the channel link?

[astral kelp]

why is no one eving zamzenta at 124 to outspeed urshifu

looks like its just 0,68,252 and 164

other than speed tying other zamas lol

[foggy lodge]

cuz it already does lol

12 points already outspeeds adamant shifu

And jolly shifu is like non existent

[bold geode]

Went 7-8 tonight yay
Figured out some bad MUs
Had some close games
It was something nonetheless

[sharp cobalt]

[wispy spade]

can indeedeeF learn trick room normally now, or is it still tera raid only?

[chrome knot]

yeah by tm now

[wispy spade]

[tiny karma]

Weezing-Galar [Poison/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Fighting

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fairy, Grass

Neutral damage

Electric, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground, Psychic, Steel

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

oh shit encore is seeing more play than nasty thats wild

[chrome knot]

plot is so greedy rn and csr most common set is sash rn

[astral kelp]

its good because if you setup nasty plot its insta win most of the time

[exotic grotto]

Instant wind?

[astral kelp]

woops win

[chrome knot]

format has alot of ways to just

cook csr before then tho so it better as disruption or tera ghost astral spam

[astral kelp]

oh man all of the sudden im not feeling very confident on my csr

[exotic grotto]

If Calyrex Shadow is able to get through Fake Out, it's still a really strong Pokémon!

[atomic mural]

crazy

[chrome knot]

I sure hope they didn't watch(or even attend) milwaukee....

[solid frigate]

lmao

[lone mural]

I detest the train of people who hop on the bandwagon of using the most recent team from a regional win

Or the most recent Wolfe team

There's something to be said about piloting a rental but it just feels like they're just trying to use the good team especially on low ladder if they're not trying to modify what works

Maybe I'm just toxic though most likely that

[next stump]

It’s not toxic but at the end of the day I think it comes down to:

1. People are lazy and just use already established teams

2. People enjoy winning in competitive games so they’re gonna use stronger teams

[lone mural]

True!

[chrome knot]

happy to announce: winning teams are winning teams for a reason🫡

[lone mural]

It just feels like the teambuilding aspect of using/modifying archetypes to your liking is lost when you're just piloting a winning team because it's good. I'm all for taking a set of mons and changing them but if you're copy pasting teams and spreads it just feels a bit overdone and annoying

[sharp cobalt]

3. People can';t teambuild for shi, like me

[next stump]

I see what you’re saying but does a regional winning team need tweaks? Is a low ladder player good enough to make beneficial tweaks without making the team worse?

[sharp cobalt]

I think low ladder players can't pilot winning teams as well as the winner tbh

[lone mural]

Good point. I think it has to do with my inexperienced view on vgc. I haven't been doing this for very long

[sharp cobalt]

Like that one Jumpluff team. I love Jumpluff. Does that mean I should use the team? Probably not

[lone mural]

You like jumpluff? Sorry I couldn't tell

[sharp cobalt]

Imo I think you should use a basic team with basic strats and then once comfy, branch out

[sharp cobalt]

[lone mural]

I should try building weather and trick room teams. My general play style is hard pivoting and fast mons that can soak up hits

I wanna diversify because my team's feel quite basic

[sharp cobalt]

Basic =/= bad

[lone mural]

But also I build around Pokemon and Strats I like so uh

[sharp cobalt]

At the end tho, play with whatever you like

[lone mural]

Hoodra/Zama body press

[sharp cobalt]

That one person made Pachirisu work

[sharp cobalt]

That Wooper is cute

[lone mural]

Body press my beloved

[sharp cobalt]

[lone mural]

It's a very sarcastic little lad I love the sass

[chrome knot]

something tells me theres a reason for this….

[chrome knot]

it was a good meta call not winning with favourites 😭😭

[lone mural]

I think it was both the call was made with the meta in mind but the decision was definitely made with a level of favouritism

You can't use your favourite Pokemon on a world's team and not have some level of bias effect decision making, though I fully acknowledge it was a strong call

[chrome knot]

definitely not he needed role compression and pachu had both the tools needed

being follow me & volt absorb

plus annoying disruption like nuzzle & super fang

[lone mural]

Oh wait pachi has Va I did not know

[next stump]

As you start to play competitive more and more your favorites become pokemon you do well with/enjoy using

[shadow wind]

100%

[next stump]

at least that’s the case for most VGC players

[chrome knot]

i love rillaboom

where would i be without him

[next stump]

like Farigiraf is that dude

[chrome knot]

vgc makes you appreciate alot more pokemon

it alsoooo makes u sad when you realize your favourite is unusable

[astral kelp]

uhhh i finished training my zama

everything is exactly right but i have 2 less defence for some reason

it says its maxed

help

[dense latch]

there’s probably some loose evs somewhere from the start

[chrome knot]

damn are yo evs on the loose

you better go catch em….

[dense latch]

if you haven’t saved i’d restart the process of eving but try and use ev reducing berries first or a clear start mochi if you have some to spare

[astral kelp]

but the weird thing is that every other stat is perfectly correct

i evd on 2s

by killing mons manually

man not being able to see your exact number stats suuucks

[next stump]

can you send a picture of the in game stat graph

[astral kelp]

sure

[sharp cobalt]

Could we see the IVs too?

[astral kelp]

im just taking a pic of my switch lol

[sharp cobalt]

Thats odd

[astral kelp]

yeah theres prolly some random stats

i thought i fully reset it but maybe i didnty

idfk

i dont have enough in game money to afford the like supplyments

[solid frigate]

LMAO

[astral kelp]

is there a way to see stats when level 50?

[chrome knot]

it might just be

numbers that dont add stats leftover

and since its a 5way spread you have to use all 508

so if u messed up in that regard u wont actually see it

[astral kelp]

yeah thats what i was thinking but idk

maybe ill try using berries on the stats i havent touched

i have to wake up early tmrw for a 30 min drive and its 2 am rn ;-;

[sharp cobalt]

30mn driive isnt that long, no?

[astral kelp]

idk in new zealand its considered pretty long

[sharp cobalt]

I drive 45 mins to get to work

[astral kelp]

wtf

jesus

just the daily gas price hurts

[sharp cobalt]

Tbf that is considered long, and whats worse, my travel costs dont get reimbursed

[astral kelp]

nahhh

how do you do it id die

[sharp cobalt]

Well, I was jobless for 8mo

They took me based on my experience, liked me and kept me

I want a diff job tho but its gotten difficult

[astral kelp]

this should be chill right

[next stump]

yoooo I also be driving 45 minutes to work

[astral kelp]

o whats the job?

i can see why youd be happy to drive 45 minutes with how the job market is lol

[solid frigate]

no protect is just free Electro Drift or Draco Meteor on this

[next stump]

it is nice in the morning but kinda sucks in the afternoon

[chrome knot]

https://dhsufi.github.io/PokemonTeamListCreator/

[astral kelp]

ye i used that its just the hero of many battles thing that im like wondering about

[chrome knot]

its the form

[astral kelp]

i gues if they just see the rusted shield they will be like understandable lol

[sharp cobalt]

Customer contact in regional health care, but the pay is meh, so Im gonna do a part time education come September

[astral kelp]

Oh that seems pretty alright I'm working something similar and I think my partner is doing literally the same exact thing rn too haha

What does costumer contact entail?

[solid frigate]

so tru

[bold geode]

No Protect is dogshit

[astral kelp]

Idk I've been running iron defense for a lil while doesn't seem too bad

Sometimes you can setup for free if they all in on wheezing or something and zama can just sweep

Tho I get why no protect is annoying

Sometimes you're kinda forced to terá

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/luckressi-hsr-star-rail-stelle-stelle-hsr-gif-5919389028186123804

[gloomy gull]

Back to my team idea. Now thinking Miraidon/Koraidon/Ceruledge/Venomoth/?/?

Maybe Fairgiraf with electric seed, idk Im a noob lol

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-ratatouille-gif-11199067726130995678

[solid frigate]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH GET IT oFF ME

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/playmakeryoum/status/1921219459819135043?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

Donghun Youm (@PlaymakerYoum) on X

That one unemployed mf be like

X · May 10, 2025, 3:03 PM

I 💜 vgc prep

[bold geode]

The best prep

proceeds to play Minecraft for hours

[rustic mountain]

its base vs crowned

crowned is only in battle

to activate

so check noncrown evs on sd and if they are accurate and then itll convert to the battle form stats

[acoustic zinc]

yo anybody got advice? im working on a team w doodle grafaiai and slaking

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/weezing-gif-26949547

just use this guy

[lean ridge]

doodle is a fun move ive tried running it before, just sucks u can get walled depending on their lead

faced korai flutter a lot when i tried it and ur just stuck with truant slaking for the rest of the game

[bold geode]

My advice honestly would be don't
Unfortunately that strat is really outdated and was honestly like
Okay when it was around

[foggy lodge]

The format is too fast to pull it off

[tiny karma]

Landorus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Crunch, Dig, Earthquake, Explosion, Facade, Fissure, Fling, Fly, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Outrage, Payback, Punishment, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Throw, Rock Tomb, Sand Tomb, Secret Power, Self-Destruct, Smack Down, Stomping Tantrum, Stone Edge, Strength, Superpower, Take Down, U-turn

Special Moves

Earth Power, Extrasensory, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Psychic, Round, Sandsear Storm, Scorching Sands, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Tera Blast, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Attract, Block, Bulk Up, Calm Mind, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Endure, Gravity, Imprison, Leer, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Rock Polish, Role Play, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Stealth Rock, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Landorus.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

too bulky imo but yes that too

[dense latch]

slaking is just not really worth it when there’s plenty of pokemon available that match slaking’s power without the need for situational gimmicks

[shadow wind]

But those are Restricteds and you only get 2 of those

[dense latch]

that's true but there's some non-restricted that are only a bit worse than slaking in some areas, take iron hands who's much slower but has better utility and coverage + can work independently

if you wanna use slaking you are limiting your options when choosing your team because you HAVE to bring the support you're using to remove its ability, say weezing or grafaiai

[solid frigate]

the best way to do that is Geezing but also you gonna get fucked up by the shifu

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-rapid-strike-surging-strike-pokemon-tower-of-waters-gif-23032736

[bold geode]

https://x.com/forestdruiddyke/status/1921151992430252160?t=akMYOZc7L3WI54bYVCjACA&s=19
@chrome knot had to make sure this wasn't you lol

emma 🐇 (@forestdruiddyke) on X

X · May 10, 2025, 10:35 AM

[chrome knot]

thats oomf

[bold geode]

What

[bold geode]

Oh is that you?

[chrome knot]

noo

wait maybe, she did say she was me from an alternative universe

[bold geode]

LMAO

Idk I got this pic from their Twitter so

[bold geode]

LOL

I found Emma's alt account

[solid frigate]

bnnuy

[bold geode]

That's not how ya spell bunny fucker

[tiny karma]

Move: Snarl

Has a 100% chance to lower the target's Special Attack by 1 stage.

Type

Dark

Category

Special

Power

55

Accuracy

95

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

bnnuy

[torn parrot]

i top cut a 1000 player tcg pocket tournament i made it to day 2

[solid frigate]

bro is becoming sejun park

[cyan smelt]

Wish I could be that good

[bold geode]

Nah that's cringe

[chrome knot]

bnuuy

[obtuse salmon]

What’s a good competitive flutter mane build

[next stump]

are you playing double or single battles

[left bobcat]

Moonblast
Dazzling gleam
Icy wind
Protect holding a focus sash

Or- uhhhhhh too much work im going back to sleep

[plain drum]

So cool...

[solid frigate]

that person plasy singles i think

cuz i think she is not the Luna i know

[bold geode]

Ok Emma said it
Is now bnuuy

[near crag]

Y’all think miraidon or kyogre is the better zacian partner?

[solid frigate]

Kyogre

Zacian is fine with Both but Kyogre is better

[near crag]

Bc I know it has more synergy, but I’m scared of consistency

[solid frigate]

consistency isn't too bad

like its still pretty much relevant in dicussion

[lone mural]

Apparently all my showdown testing has been using a Zama with loose evs

Only 8 but like I don't know how I let that happen

I thought showdown didn't let you queue up if you had loose EVs too

[atomic mural]

Only with no evs

[bold geode]

Kyogre but Miraidon ain't bad either

[astral kelp]

Just played the tournament and man I gotta say

Csr feeling fraudulent

Completely bombed lmao

[bold geode]

@chrome knot PRO PLAYERS KEEP KICKING MY ASS HELP

[astral kelp]

yk i was thinking

doesnt zacian have a really good matchup into miraidon?

[lean ridge]

Yea, a common set on it is Tera ground Tera blast too

[astral kelp]

if i can deal with the grimm and incineroar that kind of make playing zacian rough

it could be good

[dense latch]

you day 2d ursiday?? that's huge congratss best of luck tomorrow!

[astral kelp]

the stuff that substitute ignores is so like

lowkey arbritrary

like it ignores taunt but not encore???

wait it doesnt ignore taunt huh

[dense latch]

encore is a sound move

so it bypasses substitute

[astral kelp]

wait does it stop intimidater

oh there you go found a source for it that says everything lol

its under substitute doll and not substitute move

[dense latch]

wait never mind encore just ignores substitute for whatever reason so does taunt my bad lmao

[astral kelp]

yeah its so weird

[dense latch]

i feel like it'd make some sense for them to be sound moves though in one move you're basically hyping up and shouting at the opponent to keep on using the move

[astral kelp]

huh like fire orb?

[dense latch]

the other is well
taunting them

[dense latch]

This protection covers moves as well as some Abilities like Intimidate and Poison Touch and items like King's Rock and Sticky Barb;

[astral kelp]

stopping intimidate is kinda cookin

[torn parrot]

Thank you!

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to eriksp

[torn parrot]

Gonna do my best

[mint void]

New Tang Wideo

[strange fjord]

lets gooooo! good luck with your matches!

[torn parrot]

Thanks pizza! I had pizza today

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to pizza.time

[strange fjord]

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2361515827

https://tenor.com/view/dan-heng-hsr-honkai-star-rail-ult-whatever-go-my-scarab-gif-17680743539652752233

[knotty mirage]

Is there any good restricted mon to pair with caly i on hard trick room team that's not weak too dark or ghost ?

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[knotty mirage]

Hmm

[solid frigate]

technically the only optio if you don't want to use Mirai CIR

[knotty mirage]

I mean it's hard trick room team using mirai doesn't makes sense

I guess i just need too check my kyogre then hopefully it have low speed IV

[sharp cobalt]

[old remnant]

Are there any semi-viable teams with blastoise?

[chrome knot]

no

[knotty mirage]

In current reg yeah it's a no

[exotic grotto]

Poor Blastoise :(

[near crag]

You could try shell smash, ogerpon, kyogre, maybe miraidon, and you should make it work. It won't be the best thing ever, but you can do stuff like getting masterball tier, or double digit placements.

[solid frigate]

don't encourage it

its just doesn't work-

Blastoise's Bulk especially in gen 9 can't really live hits

[near crag]

Of course it won’t work, but it’s not meant to, to begin with. It’s just for ranked cheese, so it’s no harm. Besides, no one becomes a good player by just using the “meta defining new team”, it’s better for people to develop their own play styles. Do you not think so?

[red willow]

Am I pretty much obligated to run t room on Lunala if Im planning to use it plus Koraidon as my restricted mons?

[old remnant]

So I've definitely seen shell smash and using Blastoise as a SPA sweeper, in your opinion is there room for a tanky build? Like running rain dish and rain dance as a set up?

[old remnant]

Honestly man, it's my favourite pokemon. Don't particularly care if it's not winning tournaments next week

[next stump]

I think you could run like fake out/yawn/wide guard (does it learn that?)/water move

[next stump]

no, not 100%

I’ve seen expanding force/meteor beam/wide guard kinda stuff on those teams

[tiny karma]

Blastoise's moveset:

Physical Moves

Aqua Jet, Aqua Tail, Avalanche, Bide, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Counter, Crunch, Dig, Dive, Double-Edge, Dragon Tail, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Facade, Fake Out, False Swipe, Fissure, Flail, Fling, Flip Turn, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Gyro Ball, Headbutt, Ice Punch, Ice Spinner, Iron Tail, Liquidation, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Outrage, Power-Up Punch, Rage, Rapid Spin, Return, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Rollout, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Smack Down, Strength, Submission, Tackle, Take Down, Waterfall, Wave Crash, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Blizzard, Brine, Bubble, Bubble Beam, Chilling Water, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Hydro Cannon, Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Mirror Coat, Mud Shot, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Round, Scald, Signal Beam, Snore, Surf, Tera Blast, Terrain Pulse, Water Gun, Water Pledge, Water Pulse, Water Spout, Weather Ball, Whirlpool

Status Moves

Aqua Ring, Attract, Block, Captivate, Celebrate, Confide, Curse, Defense Curl, Double Team, Endure, Follow Me, Foresight, Hail, Haze, Helping Hand, Iron Defense, Life Dew, Mimic, Mist, Mud Sport, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Refresh, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Shell Smash, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Tail Whip, Toxic, Withdraw, Work Up, Yawn

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Blastoise.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[next stump]

idk why I thought blastoise got wide guard but fake out/yawn/ helping hand/water move is a solid support move pool

[old remnant]

Thanks, I'll give that a go. Thinking this Blastoise/Kyogre/Archaludon. Not really sure how to round it out though... Really new to trying to build my own team

[gentle crag]

crolux has given 1 Gen Rep to mlbd

[next stump]

You’re gonna want some kind of speed control and way to deal with opposing grass types, so a lot of kyogre teams usually run Tornadus for tailwind and flying damage

[foggy lodge]

@lofty tartan https://x.com/Samurott777/status/1921411161896984914?t=VSD-_WLng8BigqPEZLueHg&s=19

漆 (@Samurott777) on X

これ使いました。

X · May 11, 2025, 3:44 AM

[red willow]

Is 4th move p much always moongeist beam? It has it on 96 percent of sets ig

[dense latch]

yea moongeist beam is the only must have move on lunala honestly

the other three moves depend on the set and preference

[bold geode]

@next stump lmk when the vid drops on your team okay

[torn parrot]

@dense latch

Day 2 is in an hour 30 I’m nervous

And nauseous

https://tenor.com/view/anime-rainbow-spew-disgust-disgusted-gif-10750848403272902220

[dense latch]

you got this

[torn parrot]

Thank you king erik the 3rd

[dense latch]

no matter how day 2 goes the accomplishment is huge

[torn parrot]

OH NO

I MISSED A SHINY LOPUNNY ROLE

https://tenor.com/view/panic-gif-18851113

[torn parrot]

Yeah I’m still proud of myself (:

[sharp cobalt]

[tawdry quail]

can someone help me find a team to use in the new format

[sharp cobalt]

Maybe theres some in #rental_teams

[tawdry quail]

ok thank you

[solid frigate]

theres none yet

[solid frigate]

go to victory road or labmaus

[dim garnet]

Pokémon competitive violet

[torn parrot]

ended top 4 <:

[solid frigate]

FROGGY

https://tenor.com/view/splatoon-splatoon2-splatoon3-squid-squidbag-gif-21055177

[whole hinge]

is giratina good in comp battles

many local competetive battles

ik miraidon is SS rank rn

[foggy lodge]

no

[whole hinge]

is kyogre?

[chrome knot]

yes

[whole hinge]

ok

is milotic?

ik furret is

serperior as well

is iron valiant?

[foggy lodge]

wdym furret is

[whole hinge]

coil

[foggy lodge]

But nah most of those are bad

Except for Valiant

[whole hinge]

ok

[tiny karma]

Move: Rising Voltage

If the current terrain is Electric Terrain and the target is grounded, this move's power is doubled.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

Loool why are there so many random ass eletric moves I've never heard off

[red willow]

If Im on Koraidon as one of my restricted should I just spam protosynthesis mons?

[strange fjord]

very nice!

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/8506eb93a019a6e2 how should i finish the skeleton to this team

[strange fjord]

You could go more offensive and get a Chi Yu, or you can take a more balanced Pokemon to have Incin

or even Flutter with Icy Wind to take some speed control

[solid frigate]

yesn’t

[red willow]

Like as in maybe 1 or 2 are good but dont go overboard?

[solid frigate]

it depends on your core

[red willow]

Koraidon Lunala are my 2 restircted I decided on trying to flesh out the rest of the team

[solid frigate]

Then just look at Munchstats to see whatvare their most common partners

[red willow]

Raging Bolt does seem like a good mon to have on there

Would fluttermane be ghost overkill with lunala tho?

[solid frigate]

yes but not really

[torn parrot]

Thank u pizza <:

[gentle crag]

mayahoppins has given 1 Gen Rep to pizza.time

[red willow]

Is walking wake viable in any capacity? Feel like it loses alot going from singles to doubles

[solid frigate]

its ggood

[red willow]

But it is a water protosynthesis mon which has me thinkin

[solid frigate]

choice Specs Wake is the Sauce

[red willow]

Do you still just p much spam hrdro steam in sun lol

Hydro

[solid frigate]

Hydro Steam
Draco Meteor
Flamethrower/Dragon Pulse
Snarl

[red willow]

Right on right on seems spicy

Also if Im foregoing trick room prolly need a tailwind setter would whimiscott or tornadus be better with a koraidon lunala core?

[solid frigate]

Whims

[red willow]

Yeah I guess missing bleakwind in sun is feelsbadman

[solid frigate]

anyways time to build back my currency

in SV

cuz i am broke

[civic kettle]

Can someone explain to me why i am seeing so many venusaurs everywhere

[cyan smelt]

Probably because of all the tera fairies around

And sun is popular

[solid frigate]

Sun is more dominant rn

[rustic mountain]

trying out lunala/mirai core

[sharp cobalt]

I need to shiny hunt a second legend to use

[red willow]

When do you use chi yu over incin, on just like hyper offensive teams or something?

[cyan smelt]

chi-yu is more offensive and is used on sun teams and with flutter because they have great synergy, incin is more supportive

[red willow]

Right on

What exactly does indeedee f have to do with koraidon lunala core? See it show up a bit in team lists for it

There doesnt appear to be any hella slow mons for t room

[knotty mirage]

For redirection changing the terrain and blocking prio move like fakeout

[cyan smelt]

i think it's to prevent fake out on koraidon and to enable expanding force for lunala

[red willow]

Ah got ya

[knotty mirage]

Yeah and nerfing miraidon damage by changing the terrain

[red willow]

Would having indeedee and whimsicott on the same team be too passive? Dk if having 2 mons that cant really do dmg would be too good on my mostly offensive sun team lol

[cyan smelt]

yeah it's fine to have support

[red willow]

I guess I dont have to bring both every time either lol just one that fits the theorized mu

Right on thanks for all the help everyone think I might have my first team of the reg about ready now haha

[cyan smelt]

i'm thinking bout using sneasler again but this time with toxic spikes to punish switching

[solid frigate]

wh not just run Ting Lu Stealth rocks then

[cyan smelt]

poison damage gets worse over time

ting-lu is slower than urshifu and incin

[solid frigate]

don't you mean toxic?

cuz regular Poison does fixed damage over time

[cyan smelt]

why do all the weezings run poison gas then

[solid frigate]

Ting Lu can run Tera Water+Rock Helm

[cyan smelt]

ting lu is anti synergy with lunala and i'm running chi-yu flutter

[solid frigate]

there's a difference between Poison and badly poison-

[solid frigate]

Dawei:

but anyways

iff you don't run that you can run Glimmora

[cyan smelt]

it's too slow

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 970: Glimmora

Types

Rock/Poison

Abilities

Toxic Debris, Corrosion (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

83/55/90/130/81/86

Total

525

Sableye version 4.28.2

[solid frigate]

thats not too bad-

plus you are a SUN TEAM

[cyan smelt]

slower than lunala and miraidon

[solid frigate]

well no shit cuz Miraidon is 135

[cyan smelt]

and only moves that make contact trigger toxic debris

[solid frigate]

Electro Drift,Surging Strikes?

like these also do that

also if you really wanna be a jerk you can run Focus Sash

[cyan smelt]

doesn't miraidon usually just volt switch out t1, so ig i can redirect with indeedee then set up toxic spikes?

[solid frigate]

couldn't you just use Manual Toxic Spikes if you really want to just build around it

like if you play Korai Lunala then its just Korai+FlutterFish as one mode and Lunala+Ursaluna+Whatever the fuck you want on slow mode

[cyan smelt]

should i scrap groudon then?

[solid frigate]

Groudon is just fallen off from existence

Also even then Groudon wasn't even the best Answer to Mirai Lunala

[cyan smelt]

i don't see how koraidon is much better though

[solid frigate]

thats the point,you don't focus on beating one of them,you just made the matchup slightly Bearable

[cyan smelt]

so koraidon, lunala, flutter, chi-yu, indeedee, glimmora?

[solid frigate]

Glimmora can try a Sash Build if Chi Yu is Scarf

[cyan smelt]

yeah i was thinking scarf for chi-yu

flutter booster?

[solid frigate]

Booster Speed

Cuz Sash is fine until you get rain'd

but for now you can set up with this core and change something if Toxic Spikes Doesn't work

cuz i generally don't like to use Toxic Spikes against Mirai Lunala

[cyan smelt]

what moves for glimmora? toxic spikes, mortal spin, earth power, protect?

[solid frigate]

you can try them

wait lemme check the calc

252 SpA Tera-Grass Glimmora Energy Ball vs. 132 HP / 12 SpD Kyogre: 116-138 (60.4 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Ok maybe not

[cyan smelt]

don't most ogres run AV

[solid frigate]

not really no-

Mystic Water,Scarf

[cyan smelt]

oh right

[solid frigate]

AV is more Niche+I just Surging Strikes on them cuz ummm

252+ Atk Tera-Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Kyogre in Rain on a critical hit: 117-138 (56.5 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[cyan smelt]

i know they're always tera grass

do i still go tera grass glimmora?

and just max max?

[solid frigate]

you can

i haven't use Glimmora too much so these are just hypothesis

not that i have a gameplan around it or anything

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna try it and if it fails horribly i'll put something else there

[cyan smelt]

flutter fish is really fun

[solid frigate]

for sun teams yeah

most other teams that does not run weather is still ok

[cyan smelt]

i've lost two in a row now

[solid frigate]

from what?

Bad Matchup?
Bullshit?
Misplay?

[cyan smelt]

maybe this team ain't it, again

the regional team and misplay i think

[solid frigate]

misplay is more like the board state issue or skill issue most of the time

Regional team is hard to play against (Hell i just realised my team has some good tools against it just few hours ago)

[cyan smelt]

lost 3 in a row now

4 in a row wtf

[solid frigate]

tilt?

[cyan smelt]

no i think i'm just playing badly

finally won 1

won another

[cyan smelt]

pocket poof so wholesome

[sharp cobalt]

Threat of a hug improves Kal0s' gameplay

[cyan smelt]

haven't brought glimmora once so far

[whole hinge]

so my current 3 choices are miraidon, kyogre and iron valiant, what else should i bring?

i only have base game so other mons would have to be traded

[solid frigate]

whats the sets for Those three mon

[whole hinge]

vgc

its local competitive battles

[solid frigate]

no i mean Pokemon's Sets

[whole hinge]

latest

idk what you mean

[solid frigate]

Iron Crown @ Expert Belt
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 60 HP / 196 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Tachyon Cutter
• Psychic Noise
• Tera Blast
• Protect

THESE

[whole hinge]

havent even fucking made them yet

to me, you should have said specs

for the specifications for those pokemon

[solid frigate]

the only reason i did not say specs cuz Miraidon has other items-

[whole hinge]

the only i have from playing through the game is miraidon with choice specs, tera electric, 3 electric moves and 1 dragon with evs or ivs in sp attack

[solid frigate]

Electro Drift,Volt Switch,Discharge?

[whole hinge]

no

due to doing raids, parabolic charge, electro drift and i think thunderbolt

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hsr-honkai-star-rail-honkai-star-rail-chibi-dan-heng-dan-heng-chibi-gif-4782729340423720930

[whole hinge]

well i was beating 5-6 star water raids

[solid frigate]

1 of the move is Useless in VGC for Miraidon

Especially Thunderbolt when you have Edrift

[whole hinge]

ok, like i said

i was doing raids

[woven pelican]

i was about to say, wouldn't edrift virtually make thunderbolt redundant

[solid frigate]

EXACTLY

[whole hinge]

bitches dont listen

I WAS DOING RAIDS

im new to the comp vg side

[sharp cobalt]

So you're changing the moves for vgc?

[whole hinge]

yes

[solid frigate]

its more like you suddenly talk about Raids when you want Miraidon in VGC

[woven pelican]

they're both special moves, even in raids i think the point still stands

[solid frigate]

volt Switch is just godsend for Miraidon ;-;

[whole hinge]

rn, my miraidon sp atk is 405 with the sp atk nature which lowers attack

[woven pelican]

unless you're banking on the pp of edrift not being sufficient then maybe that makes sense

[solid frigate]

even then Volt Switch exists

[whole hinge]

i was when i was doing raids, now i want to change that

[sharp cobalt]

[solid frigate]

Azure Dragon (Miraidon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Electro Drift
• Draco Meteor
• Volt Switch
• Dazzling Gleam
  just run this

[woven pelican]

yeah, but i was still referring to raids lol
Forgot to clarify

[solid frigate]

thats from my Mirai Ogre team

[solid frigate]

anyways-

[woven pelican]

moving on from that

[whole hinge]

wanna know something, the reason i used electro drift and did not run volt switch was because drift has 100 power while volt only has 70

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-vgc-violet-electric-terrain-gif-12584623631968381813

[sharp cobalt]

Tera electric miraidon

[solid frigate]

+Switching back

[whole hinge]

and the blurb of electro drift is and i quote "This move's power is boosted more than usual if it's a super effective hit."

[solid frigate]

even regular Volt Switch does like 70-90%

[sharp cobalt]

Why are you pinging me

[woven pelican]

if you need to save mirai for later volt switch is incredibly viable, you can still keep both on the moveset(?)

[sharp cobalt]

I only stated my observation

[woven pelican]

he was referring to non tera boosted volt switch

[sharp cobalt]

THEN WHY ME

[whole hinge]

if i remove dragon claw which i barely use anyway

[sharp cobalt]

Why not run this set

[woven pelican]

trust me there's more viable dragon STAB users anyways you don't need dragon claw on mirai

[sharp cobalt]

O. Modest

[sharp cobalt]

Theres another reason

[woven pelican]

and dragon claw being a physical move

[whole hinge]

yeah

im new to this shit

but answer me this, rayquaza or kyogre bare in mind i do have milotic to use for special water

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-star-rail-dan-heng-gif-10008267026330058903

Kyogre is a Special Attacker

[whole hinge]

i know doofus

im just stating so you dont say kyogre instantly

[solid frigate]

i don't think i have to say anything about Kyogre before fixing the miraidon

[sharp cobalt]

Yall could be a lil nicer with each other

[whole hinge]

its for the other legendary i can use

[whole hinge]

well he aint helping the situation

[solid frigate]

Miraidon is the Easiest mon to build literally

Like is just 252 SpA 252 Spe 4 HP and then just Edrift Draco Volt Switch as base moveset and either discharge or dgleam

[woven pelican]

some days I completely forget Miraidon, out of all mons, can learn dgleam

[solid frigate]

its kinda remain popular during worlds

Before Worlds people still using Discharge

[woven pelican]

"haha, I am an electrical Dragon motorbike, now watch me sparkle, motherfucker"

[cyan smelt]

Where's koraidon's spread moves

[solid frigate]

Breaking Swipe

thats it,thats the only one i would consider using-

[cyan smelt]

Great, when most of the meta is special or has clam

[solid frigate]

actually with Koraidon leaning towards Lorb and Ability SHield

it can have a SLIGHTEST niche

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't work on Zama or zacian

[solid frigate]

it did got picked up i think in reg G where someone used Breaking swipe on stream idk

[cyan smelt]

So it's basically only for other koraidons

[woven pelican]

it's been used here and there but it's not as common as the usual metas

[solid frigate]

exactly

its just a niche that is alright at best

[woven pelican]

like extremely situational, but incredibly useful when appropriate

[solid frigate]

i think i tried choice band Koraidon with that?

its alright but flame charge is super good

[whole hinge]

is fire tera with sp atk upped reshiram good?

[solid frigate]

so Modest Fire Tera Reshiram

Well reshiram itself isn't like good on anything

[sharp cobalt]

Are the bw dragons used?

[whole hinge]

ik but koraidon

[whole hinge]

its only local things im doing rn so not proper regulations rn

[solid frigate]

best is Kyurem white which is still niche (Tried with Kyogre with someone and its a fever Dream)

[sharp cobalt]

Twasnt pung! Ty Torrent

[solid frigate]

regulations = Formats

And i think you are talking about Regionals?

[whole hinge]

no

[sharp cobalt]

I have another question, but I gotta get lunch first

[whole hinge]

local battles inside a game shop

[solid frigate]

is it just pretty casual Local battles with the regulation I ruleset or actual locals

[whole hinge]

casual battles with no regulations

think of it like where 2 friends battle each other for fun

[solid frigate]

then just run whatever you want

like do they have any rules like 1 legendary per team or something-

[whole hinge]

cant really since someone is making a proper team

[solid frigate]

i'm 99% sure its Closed Team Sheets anyway

and you really wanna use Mirai Ogre? cuz i literally spam that thing

[woven pelican]

easy, run 6 amoongus

it's a Local™ battle, go in with the most unorthodox team and just have fun

you'll throw them off, even if you don't win

[whole hinge]

no since prizes are on the line

[solid frigate]

the trademark logo i can't lmao

[woven pelican]

6 dedenne?

spam nuzzle

[sharp cobalt]

What restricted that has a released shiny pairs best with Lunala?

[solid frigate]

do you really want me to give you the sauce of Miraidon Kyogre Core?

[whole hinge]

yes

a link to a website would be goodf

[solid frigate]

Shiny Pairs? idk honestly

[solid frigate]

Very Well.

https://tenor.com/view/dan-heng-il-imbibitor-lunae-imbibitor-lunae-dhil-gif-14131620448711189449

[whole hinge]

alpha sapphire was my first game so i know how op kyogre is

[solid frigate]

Mirai Ogre is consider Very Anti Meta due to Sun is more popular and Dominant+ Kyogre is in a Rocky Spot

but i legit just spam that core since day 1 reg I

thats why i am so livid on the moveset

but anyways

Miraidon+Kyogre+Tornadus is a good startup core ffor all Miraidon Kyogre teams cuz Both restricteds does not like Rillaboom

and Tornadus handles Rillaboom

unfortunately i can't give you my team cuz its on blogpost and i haven't post it out

[whole hinge]

ok

you could send in dms

[solid frigate]

you can do like Miraidon Kyogre Tornadus Urshifu,and add two flex mons

I decided Landorus and Grimmsnarl are pretty good as Grimmsnarl helps Kyogre on Trick Room Scenarios,but i wanna see how would you build the team in Showdown and send it to me in DMs

[whole hinge]

ok

[cyan smelt]

Grimmsnarl is so good this reg

[whole hinge]

ill do it later

[solid frigate]

the meta is based around it anyway

fight fire with fire

or in my case Fight Fire with a Tsunami

[whole hinge]

my friend when we did some local battles had kyogre, whimsicott, peliper, raikou and 2 others

[solid frigate]

Just slot Raikou with Miraidon and Pelipper with Urshifu would be solid already

torn is recommend but Mirai Whims is strong

[whole hinge]

ill think about it

[solid frigate]

doesn’t Miraidon still Nukes Mega Ray

[exotic grotto]

Yup! Electro Drift is super effective to Mega Rayquaza!

[chrome knot]

its neutral

[exotic grotto]

I didn't know that, thank you junebun!

[solid frigate]

its resist(Delta Stream)

[chrome knot]

cooked….

any draco meteor pressers

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Rayquaza-Mega: 167-197 (92.2 - 108.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Actually nvm

it still OHKO with Tera

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Electro Drift vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Rayquaza-Mega: 125-147 (69 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Miraidon is really not made with Choice Specs in mind

Look at how stupid the damage is

[woven pelican]

I'm trying to test this with showdown and there's too many of the unofficial "no holds barred" gamemodes that either ban miraidon, hadron engine or rayquaza-mega

Like Balanced Hackmons bans HE, Mix and mega and Shared power(idk what this is) bans Mirai, Anything Goes bans ray, i think free for all bans both

I think the majority of the unofficial metagames bans mirai, 1v1 bans both

[sharp cobalt]

Custom game

[woven pelican]

which gamemode is that

[sharp cobalt]

... custom game

[woven pelican]

motherfucker where

[sharp cobalt]

In the challenge

[woven pelican]

there is no challenge

[sharp cobalt]

Challenge someone and look for custom

[woven pelican]

I see this, can't challenge

[sharp cobalt]

NOT YOURSELF

[woven pelican]

I have two accounts poof

I'm challenging my alt

[sharp cobalt]

Why can't you challenge yourself you noob

[woven pelican]

oh that's why it logged me out because you took too long to answer the one question i wanted answered

[sharp cobalt]

I TOOK TOO LONG? I'M AT FKN WORK YOU IMBECILE
-# Dw mods we friends

[solid frigate]

lmao

[woven pelican]

here's video evidence(following everything torrent has said about miraidon v raymega)

[solid frigate]

yeah

This is bullshit

even as a Miraidon main

[woven pelican]

as you can see, mirai clears raymega with one move

the only iv spread i did was the 0a and 0spe one, and the 252 spa
For rayquaza i just put whatever showdown recommended

[woven pelican]

the clown music at the end really fits dunnit

[sharp cobalt]

I WAS RIGHT

[dense latch]

why is delta stream not active? electro drift should become not very effective

it's probably gonna do like 80% regardless but still

[woven pelican]

wrong, still OHKOs

[dense latch]

damn

[exotic grotto]

Miraidon is really strong!

[woven pelican]

remember, this is a miraidon with choice specs as well

but you were right, i had air lock on raymega for some reason

doesn't change the fact that mirai still ohko's raymega lol

[exotic grotto]

Is Delta Stream similar to Cloud Nine?

[dense latch]

air lock is

delta stream turns off all flying weaknesses

[tiny karma]

Ability: Delta Stream

On switch-in, the weather becomes Delta Stream, which removes the weaknesses of the Flying type from Flying-type Pokemon. This weather remains in effect until this Ability is no longer active for any Pokemon, or the weather is changed by the Desolate Land or Primordial Sea Abilities.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[red willow]

So why does indeedee f always run t room even when all other pokes on the team have some speed investment

Is lunala with 20 speed still pretty slow comparative to other things?

[bold geode]

It's great as a TR setter and it having that alongside Lunala that usually runs it means you basically get TR up 99.9% of the time if you go that route

[red willow]

Yeah but like is t room guaranteeing indeedee and lunala move first into most things?

Im just not aware of most mons speed tiers ig lol

Im just worried like if I set up a t room or something then they switch into like a slower mon than mine that takes advantage better cause all of my mons have speed investment

[bold geode]

Yeah unless it's slower stuff like min speed Caly Ice or Iron Hands

Which if you see something like those I'd be wary about setting up TR in the first place
Indeedee also has TR on teams as a way of reversing it

[red willow]

Can I be lazy with my Chi Yus EVs and just go max spa and spe and the rest hp?

Or does it need a spread to survive certain things

[spiral ridge]

If you’re just doing a scarf set 252 is fine p sure

[whole hinge]

how good is latios?

i have the soul dew

[bold geode]

No bueno

[shadow wind]

Me when it gets hit by every single restricted

😔

[whole hinge]

but can i use it in private local battles?

[next stump]

you can use whatever you want in private local battles

[whole hinge]

i know but what about when trying to beat someone who is making a pure comp team

[next stump]

Latios won’t be super helpful then

it’s not great

[whole hinge]

ok

i have 3 pokemon already chosen

miraidon, kyogre and iron valiant

i need 3 more pokemon to help

[bold geode]

Hey help a brother out real quick
For Lorb recoil, was it last digit close to 9 or close to 0 for optimal HP?

[whole hinge]

what is a great pokemon for setting up stuff like webs and spikes

preferably toxic ones

[next stump]

you want it to end with a 9

if possible

like 169HP means 16DMG per tick, 170HP means 17DMG

[next stump]

glimmora

[whole hinge]

ok

[bold geode]

Ok
I was just asking cuz like
Technically wouldn't 161 and 169 be the same, meaning it's just a matter of having a few more points of HP

[next stump]

yes they’re the same

but you’d be better off with 159 rather than 160

[bold geode]

Ok yeah
What I figured, I just wanted to double check

[solid frigate]

@craggy dagger

[solid frigate]

no way we both actually suggesting Glimmora to someone lmao

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

weeee

[rustic mountain]

my miraidon wen it volt switches

[solid frigate]

thats me when Urshifu braindead OHKO CSR

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

but hey

Thats my Urshifu i cant complain

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-sv-miraidon-pokemon-electro-drift-gif-5720561935625751409

[craggy dagger]

huh?

[bold geode]

[craggy dagger]

latios kinda doesn’t fit atm

[solid frigate]

the fact that this is just scripted battle anyway

[spiral ridge]

I just think Miraidon would go weeee while spinning to Mach 1000 to blow a hole through something

[rustic mountain]

shiny legend event wen

[molten oasis]

Bro cut that out

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

...

[bold geode]

[molten oasis]

[craggy dagger]

[molten oasis]

You’re evil now?

[rustic mountain]

drago u still on zaciankyogre

[molten oasis]

I’m trying but yes

https://pokepast.es/7e98543e7e4ea2d8 I’m close with this

Like I’m getting there kyogre just doesn’t feel good atm

[solid frigate]

he made some solid progress

[rustic mountain]

y calm mind

[chrome knot]

gwaaaaa

my hed hurts nobaaaa can you fix it

[molten oasis]

Idk I’m testing things

I liked the bulk of av but wanted protect

I like everything else there tho

Av might be fine tbh

[rustic mountain]

why not like

mystic water

[solid frigate]

he's not playing for Spout

[rustic mountain]

o pulse, hydro pump for wide guard. cm just seems awkward for this team and idk about it in a dres format unless u have a much more dedicated team to it nd even then

[molten oasis]

It is awkward

Might play Thunder as well, shifu’s annoying lol

If it Tera waters I get kinda rolled

Ig mystic water would be fine

The team started as zacogre incin corner with screens

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/shusher-home-captain-smek-gif-16112908977447177811

[molten oasis]

I want access to gifs lol

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-ratatouille-gif-11199067726130995678

[rustic mountain]

yea screens w/ cm i could see a bit more

but as currently constructed i cant see many times ud wanna click cm willingly

[molten oasis]

Yea, I’ll try that out

I ended up just, never taking Grimmsnarl into anything so I switched to moon

And had shifu for a bit and went to lando, landos goated rn

[bold geode]

Ask a mod to give ya access
Though looks like you have your roles so you should be able to

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/ena-dbbq-dream-bbq-froggy-really-said-this-gif-2825092349188240535

Nope

[chrome knot]

its bc u still have lvl1 role for some reason

[bold geode]

Emma did I tell you about the pro player that beat my ass in GC Day 3

[molten oasis]

But why lmao

[chrome knot]

yes

[molten oasis]

Alr uh, which mod to dm

[spiral ridge]

Leaving and rejoining

[bold geode]

Fuckin Giovanni Costa

[molten oasis]

I mean ik its just annoying lol

[solid frigate]

moment

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/75a0c13fca1893ca this is prob fine, debating av with thunder tho

[craggy dagger]

i can’t :(

[chrome knot]

hdhshrnjcgsgeh :((((

[solid frigate]

rahhhhhh

[molten oasis]

I like av

And also as long as hydro pump chooses to hit it feels fine

[spiral ridge]

AV kyo my goat

[craggy dagger]

[bold geode]

Bestie

https://x.com/VancouverVGC/status/1921992163501498824?t=groc0rD_r1GxAU0t4aC4yw&s=19
@molten oasis

Vancouver VGC (@VancouverVGC) on X

Final standings from last Saturday’s Cup. Congratulations to our Top 8, with 8 different restricted duos!

Pikachu was Jinkyum’s first restricted ⚡️
Pikachu is now Jinkyum’s third restricted ⚡️⚡️⚡️

X · May 12, 2025, 6:13 PM

[atomic mural]

pikachu 🥀

[molten oasis]

THAT A ROARING MOON

I’m smart guys trust

[bold geode]

Nah bro the fucking Pikachu is wild

WAIT AND THERE'S A KINGAMBIT

In this economy?

[craggy dagger]

oh huh…

[bold geode]

But @molten oasis bro
It's the bird

[molten oasis]

That fucking bird that I hate

A sneasler got top 4 aw help nah

[bold geode]

IT'S ALL WRONG