competitive_discussion

[left bobcat]

WOAHHHHHH

[weary fox]

Anyone wanna help me team build

[mint void]

@weary fox ideas?

Id be down I dont have anything

[weary fox]

Originally I wanted to make a banger Kyurem White team but now Im depressed. We're doing a Koraidon Lunala Team

[mint void]

Whos we

[weary fox]

Me and the voices

[mint void]

Cool

[solid frigate]

just to be clear Koraidon Lunala is just faster version of Lunadon

so the comp varies between with Groudon or Koraidon

[left bobcat]

Yeah

SCHYEAH

[exotic grotto]

Did your Kyurem white team fail to work?

[maiden fulcrum]

Seems like you know exactly what to do when you see an Indeedee

[left bobcat]

Who doesn’t?

All indeedee is supposed to do is psychic terrain and follow me

Trick room on occasions

[maiden fulcrum]

He was hitting it with throat chop. Doesn't that only work on voice-based moves? Psychic terrain, follow me, trick room aren't voice-based moves

[left bobcat]

Noooo throat chop STOPS voice based moves

Anything can get throat chopped even us

[left bobcat]

By psychic terrain I mean indeedees ability psychic surge that brings terrain when indeedee is out

[solid frigate]

ummm indeedee is weak to Dark so hitting with a Dark Move makes sense

[maiden fulcrum]

My bad that's what I meant

[maiden fulcrum]

C'mon guys, just trying to learn the game :I My bad for not knowing it was a dark move

[solid frigate]

no im just confused a bit

[left bobcat]

It’s alright

[left bobcat]

Dude ur good

OR ELSE I’LL USE MY DARK MOVE

[deft meteor]

(I have a question is there a easy team for a beginner still new to the vgc who has no experience or any idea how to make a team ?)

[rustic mountain]

bit tough as were are about to start a completely new format

[gentle crag]

Here is a list of all of the resources I find most helpful when playing/learning VGC:

https://www.vgcguide.com/ (Helpful website for basics and also to get your feet wet)

https://www.pikalytics.com/ (Shows you usage data and helps you build Pokémon)

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/ (Damage calculator that is very helpful when building teams or reflecting on games)

https://youtube.com/c/CybertronVGC (Best channel for daily VGC content, guiding you through the thought process you need for success)

https://victoryroadvgc.com/ (Tournament results, team reports and breakdowns, and rental codes can be found here)

https://twitter.com/VGCPastes - Tournament and high ranked teams

https://twitter.com/vgccorner - Helpful Twitter account that posts in-depth EV spreads and ideas about competitive pokemon

There are dozens of other resources, some of which are in the pinned messages of this channel. But these IMO are the best places to start absorbing knowledge and getting to a place where you're comfortable with VGC

mlbd (ID 197813560997314562)

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Command triggered by treeco.. Message from · Dec 17, 2023, 7:30 PM

[rustic mountain]

id take a look at these resources tho in general ^

[astral kelp]

i feel like you should play like a generic zama csr team with the rilla urshi incin core
like its not easy to play but those are pretty much the most used pokemon so idk maybe its good to learn how they work lol

[rustic mountain]

prolly better to just get a more ho based team, gotta atleast get the basics first i wouldnt recommend balance to a beginner

but again tough cause the format is so new, not necessarily easy to pick up teams per say

[astral kelp]

yeahh

when i started i just kinda browsed celebi and found abilities and moves i liked and then just threw shit at the wall

learned by failing miserably was pretty fun lol

LOL WTF WAS MY FIRST TEAM

[shadow wind]

I wish I still had my first team

I remember what a lot of the mons were but it isn't the same

I also know it wasn't in showdown cause it was just on cart

[astral kelp]

oh man what happened to it?

[shadow wind]

Eh mons got repurposed

[astral kelp]

ripp

[shadow wind]

I love crits 🙏

[astral kelp]

holy hell

i actually cant believe that kills

is that band?

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Entei Extreme Speed vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon on a critical hit: 91-108 (50.2 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO yeah what?

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Tera-Normal Entei Extreme Speed vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon on a critical hit: 136-162 (75.1 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Tera-Normal Entei Extreme Speed vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Miraidon on a critical hit: 204-240 (112.7 - 132.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

jesus mc christ

[shadow wind]

Every single multiplier I could get

[astral kelp]

yeah the amount of shit happening there

[knotty mirage]

Is cart reg i starting today or tommorow ?

[strange fjord]

good question

time to teambuild for ingame ladder!

[knotty mirage]

The thing is i still need to push on reg H and i ask here if it's still possible to do it

[shadow wind]

People like this make me sick

[strange fjord]

Groudon in username
no Groudon on team

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[karmic oak]

What’s an good restricted to run with kyogre?

[cyan smelt]

Caly ice, zacian or miraidon

[astral kelp]

hey no weezing at least

oh the name

[solid frigate]

Zacian,Miraidon,Caly Ice and Caly Shadow

[cyan smelt]

lmao i'm watching a game that's just rock slide spam

[shadow wind]

Who's even rock sliding?

[graceful scaffold]

im rick rolling

[cyan smelt]

idk it was 1000 elo

[solid frigate]

is it the Weakness Policy Golem with a fucking mewtwo

[real prairie]

@astral kelp https://youtu.be/mWlfTD_Ydoc?si=6JpoHSCqpYKsZhwO

[astral kelp]

Holy shit I was just building terapagos lugia

Wait that's just my reg G team but with lugia

[solid frigate]

Bad pun aside

Why-

[astral kelp]

yeah lugia is so shit

i subbed it for miraidon

[cyan smelt]

no it was literally just rock slide groudon, rock slide dialga, rock slide dudunsparce

[astral kelp]

rainbow team?

[cyan smelt]

no idea what i was watching but it was just constant rock slides even against an ursaluna

[astral kelp]

WE FLINCH THESE

[real prairie]

Idk, just sharing it with the other pagos comfey user lol

[solid frigate]

ROCK SLIDE DIALGA WHYYYYYY

this is enough to hurt my soul

[astral kelp]

please share the replay lmao

[solid frigate]

I’m not even in showdown

[cyan smelt]

i wish i saved it

[astral kelp]

oh soz pinged the wrong person lol

i really want parting shot but idk what to sub

[chrome knot]

nothing

[astral kelp]

i think bro felt bad for that one

[solid frigate]

@real prairie now thats my style

tauros is interesting but all work in rain

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9randomdoublesbattle-2354236267-5gg9kwe9mhs8d3889vh8nvtcdqwx31xpw
@real prairie win that one

[real prairie]

Frost moth putting in work

[solid frigate]

also without Fari i kinda would lose to whims encore

[real prairie]

Yeah

[bold geode]

Damn the chat didn't stay dead

[solid frigate]

yeah for almost half a day

[bold geode]

Yeah but y not longer 😦

[chrome knot]

milwaukee soon

[torn parrot]

When does the season end

Like how long

[dense latch]

best of luck!!

[solid frigate]

i just wanna see what the fuck they have been cooking

[dense latch]

really excited to see the first regional of the reg

[solid frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203015224454807602/1360970466730184714/image0.gif

[dense latch]

csr zama, csr zama that counters csr zama, csr zama that counters the csr zama that counters csr zama

[solid frigate]

i'm still betting on my GOATs Miraidon and Kyogre

[chrome knot]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-bundle-pokémon-scarlet-and-violet-indigo-disk-blueberry-academy-gif-8544848881906750955

[torn parrot]

I’m so lost you guys I’m not aware of going on in the meta rn 😪

[solid frigate]

oh no

THE DEMON (or Mid Bundle if your team is not weak asf to Freeze dry)

[chrome knot]

encore

[dense latch]

hoping that cir mirai performs well im tired of seeing ice rider in b tier :((

[solid frigate]

imo it isn't b tier but like high A imo in terms of compatibility

[solid frigate]

6 words for Reg I rn

Calyrex Shadow Rider is a glue

[torn parrot]

Huh

[dense latch]

csr good

[torn parrot]

Aight

[dense latch]

too good

[solid frigate]

I'm just gonna predict

[torn parrot]

Anybody tried the ice rider miraidon stuff?

[dense latch]

me

[solid frigate]

its just Arubega+CIR

[chrome knot]

i tried, its alright

[torn parrot]

Hm aight

[solid frigate]

i tried it once and i immdieately went back to Miraidon Kyogre

[dense latch]

cir mirai hands farig is a strong ass core

[torn parrot]

Hm hm hm hm

I see

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-5445268815333743861

[chrome knot]

i was very adamant on making it work for milwaukee but, idk it was meh-sorta good @ best in my hands

[bold geode]

Bruh my power out and I got this little candle light in my bathroom
Literally have to have my phone light on cuz I feel like I'm tryna pull off a seance in here

[chrome knot]

DONT LOOK BEHIND YOU

[torn parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-meme-smack-hit-gif-14682331153624420698

[solid frigate]

i mean i am trying Koraidon Lunala and Koraidon Zacian for a bit

Also Pagos Zacian kek

[torn parrot]

He looked

[chrome knot]

[bold geode]

Y'know what's bad
Literally so my bathroom is technically the guest bathroom right
So because it's small

Over my left shoulder is the fucking mirror

[chrome knot]

LMFAO

[bold geode]

Like bruh I'm tryna take a shit here, not summon Mary

[torn parrot]

The combos seem kinda fun

Anybody found good ways into csr zamazenta?

[solid frigate]

Tornshifu.

I’m legit serious-

[dense latch]

scarf chi yu is a good check in a vacuum

scarf urshifu is decent too

[torn parrot]

Finally the bojack horseman and Mr peanut butter crossover

[solid frigate]

me when i see Lunadon

[bold geode]

THANK FUCK THE POWER'S BACK ON

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to mayahoppins

[torn parrot]

I see I see I see

Thank u guys 🙏

[solid frigate]

lemme find a replay

[bold geode]

I pinged you when I was tryna answer ya but I got excited my bad

[torn parrot]

I see why it’s good into it

It’s just brute force with a sash

[bold geode]

Anyways uh
It's just play

None of them really run Sash though

It's mostly like Life Orb or other items tbh

[torn parrot]

Now that’s pretty shocking

[bold geode]

Lorb CSR is good and some people still try to fit Chien Pao on those comps too so

[dense latch]

i’m seeing more sash in my testing

like lorb pao and sash csr rather than the other way around

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2347825417?p2
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2344105687?p2
Just some replays from my testing

[dense latch]

but i think it’s pretty even between sash and lorb usage wise i’d have to check munchstats’ preview or smth

[torn parrot]

What about scarf?

[dense latch]

on csr? haven’t seen it

[solid frigate]

thats pretty pointless tho

[dense latch]

it’s getting used more and more with miraidon if that’s worth anything

[torn parrot]

On shifu

[solid frigate]

as a Miraidon main

That hurts my soul

[dense latch]

second to sash maybe even more higher up

[torn parrot]

Miraidon I can defintely see scarf

[dense latch]

speed creeps so much

[torn parrot]

Yeah that makes sense

Everybody wants a sash so

[dense latch]

yea usage wise it’s 53%

[torn parrot]

Hard to fit it

Where’s the usage?

[solid frigate]

i'm sticking with good ol modest 252

[dense latch]

munchstats

[torn parrot]

Oh there it is

Thanks

Iv never seen the usage percentages this balanced at the top before

Ussually there’s one or 3 guys every team

Or maybe I’m remembering wrong

[bold geode]

Nah it's not that bad
Sure there's a little more creep but like
There's some decent comps rn

[torn parrot]

Ohhh
Is reg I fun?
Like can peopel be creative with their combos

To a realistic degree

[solid frigate]

reg I is aight but its better than reg G

[torn parrot]

I’m defintely not surprised by that

[solid frigate]

got into 1500 with 60%GXE with MiraiOgre

[torn parrot]

Nice job!!

I’m prolly gonna be rusty ngl lol..

[solid frigate]

feat. P2

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-porygon-porygon2-love-gif-9521308133006980825

[rustic mountain]

reg i is solid

atleast so far

[solid frigate]

i mean it all comes down to what the first regional does

CSR would be everywhere

[rustic mountain]

first regional is always the most fun of a new format

[solid frigate]

honestly i would not blame someone to recreate rinya sun in gen 9 lmao

[rustic mountain]

wouldnt say its necessarily indicative of how things will turn out

[chrome knot]

its fun when u have a team

format is epic rn

im scared of what post milwaukee format will look like tbh

[rustic mountain]

well yea no format is fun if u dont have a team haha

[chrome knot]

reg h was fun scrambling for a team

[rustic mountain]

yea im interested in what milwaukee looks like

reg h was also a good format

[chrome knot]

i got to a point where i was testing lurantis seriously

peak of my career

[rustic mountain]

yea it was def more open for mon viability

its why more regional based dexes are some of my favorite formats

[solid frigate]

i forgot which is the most insane one i ever tested on restricted format

and no its not greninja

[chrome knot]

greninja let my gf 5-3 2 regionals

[solid frigate]

thats good

you did say that

i think my worst idea is Meowstic lmao

[chrome knot]

there was a time where prankster skill swap to amoonguss was on the consider list for some

idrk why but people were preparing for it lmao

[solid frigate]

i tried Gravity Meowstic just because it has Prankster

and i don't want to use Sableye lmao

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/45mice/status/1917609305139994748

45mice (@45mice) on X

My first restricted tier list of reg I!

Both zam/caly s clearly the best so far. Both have multiple partners, easily splashable, and dominate the meta.

Terapagos wasn’t available on this maker, but I’d put it in situationally good. It’s fine, just have to work hard to beat Zam

X · Apr 30, 2025, 3:57 PM

[solid frigate]

Kyogre that low is pretty insane

same tier as Palkia and NDW btw

[foggy lodge]

Only some hours for reg G to finally end

[dense latch]

i can see the thought process

kyogre is a good partner for only three restricted in my eyes

[foggy lodge]

I feel like CIR kinda lacks damage

[dense latch]

i do think it should be higher

[dense latch]

playing cir rn i agree

[foggy lodge]

I was testing icicle plate

[dense latch]

it doesn’t do much vs csr zama cores

at most it chips zama and incin honestly

[foggy lodge]

Wide guard is everywhere and it doesn't really have a good single target move to use consistently to avoid wide guard

Like CSR has psychic atleast

Or some sets with giga drain

[dense latch]

https://x.com/45mice/status/1917714616953573649?s=46 also this is true

45mice (@45mice) on X

@HavikfromMK It has major zam rilla pao issues. I’m not sure how it can beat that core reliably. And it’s arguably the top core with caly s right now. Mira needs partners who do well into that core, not add into it

X · Apr 30, 2025, 10:56 PM

[foggy lodge]

CIR depends of a no stab single target move

[dense latch]

but i feel like volcarona helps beat that right?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[dense latch]

it’s what im using rn and it feels super strong against zama rilla pao

fiery dance is broken

[foggy lodge]

Joey's team with a second restricted is strong

I think replacing ditto is the obvious way

[dense latch]

i’ve been using support volc so far but quiver giga drain seems super strong too

[foggy lodge]

But Ditto is also super strong

[dense latch]

i think i’ve seen joe’s team + zama - ursh

[foggy lodge]

Yeah me too

But in general yeah Miraidon Volcarona is strong to beat those cores

The problem is it being free damage for CSR and it doesn't really win the trade

[dense latch]

i wish valiant had 10 move slots

[foggy lodge]

lmao

hmmmm

Mirai Volca Valiant?

[dense latch]

that’s the miraice team im trying out rn

[foggy lodge]

Ohh yeah sounds interesting

[dense latch]

last two farig and ursh

so yuta’s six but with bo3 sets

[rustic mountain]

would never happen but would be an interesting ability if it allowed a mon to have an extra move slot

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

Imagine if champions had a mode with 5 moveslots or something

[dense latch]

i could see a mon having a strong permanent move or something and an extra four move slots or smth

[foggy lodge]

Imo is hella interesting

[dense latch]

well i don’t really see it i cant imagine gf adding that

[rustic mountain]

more like the ability itself allows for the extra slot

[dense latch]

yea that makes sense too i was thinking about other ways they could technically add a fifth move

[rustic mountain]

call it like studious or some shit cuz ur well learned and have the ability to learn more then the standard 4

yea they could do that too

[dense latch]

let alakazam put its so called extremely high iq into remembering more than 4 moves at a time

[rustic mountain]

theres a lot they could do w/ a more casual style ruleset in an alternate mode

[rustic mountain]

might give it more viability then its currently had in recent gens

[dense latch]

getting it ready on cart rn

[foggy lodge]

I'm searching a 0 atk Bulbasaur lol

[dense latch]

good luckk 0 IV hunts can be so time consuming

[rustic mountain]

iron valiant seeing u stand 10 feet from the pokecenter:

[foggy lodge]

Nah I like catching mons

I prefer that than hatching eggs

[rustic mountain]

egg hatching in swsh was goated

now outbreaks being what they are and picnics being introduced, its so much more efficient in most ways to just wild hunt

[dense latch]

it can wait

[rustic mountain]

i gta ev train my zama and then my teams good to go

[dense latch]

still stuck on the item

for the mr iron guy

[rustic mountain]

booster is plausible

[dense latch]

booster feels consistent enough but cloak is also nice

[rustic mountain]

other then that really is takin the sash off urshi and giving it something else

[bold geode]

I gotta build my shit

[foggy lodge]

Going sash valiant and mystic water urshifu also looks fine

[rustic mountain]

mystic or even scarf, u lose the flexibility of it inside tr but give urself a semi-fast mode to operate in

[dense latch]

volc’s last move is interesting too

struggle bug and tailwind are both interesting

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

CIR does not lack damage lmao
Zam CSR is a lil tough cuz of Zam but that's like saying oh yeah Seth Curry vs LeBron, who wins

[dense latch]

i think i want either icy wind on valiant or tw on volc

[bold geode]

I think Ice Rider is either underrated or just well prepped for
Y'all discredit mfers way too easy

[dense latch]

i’m way too comfortable with cir from reg g to drop it

[bold geode]

Like Kyogre being that low
Kyogre is fucking solid like

Ice Rider's real problem is honestly it's low speed

Which sounds weird cuz it likes Trick Room but

[dense latch]

i find myself getting speed sandwiched

for example that one lunala korai team with base ursa

[lost sun]

new reg drops today right

[dense latch]

or amoong/bonnet

[rustic mountain]

in a few hours i think

[lost sun]

nice

[rustic mountain]

i think its fine to be low on things but yea those guys are still strong theyll be around

[bold geode]

Once again
I think a VGC player's biggest weakness rn is doubting objectively good Pokemon

[chrome knot]

@bold geode cheer for me?

[bold geode]

Yeah I'm just saying I see some peeps be like yeah no it's not that good like brother
Have you seen Ice Rider's consistency?

[dense latch]

i hope it’s just another early reg g 2.0 incident where cir was getting some fraud allegations then proceeded to do insanely well

[bold geode]

Well yeah I'll be

[rustic mountain]

i think uve played long enough to see the ebbs and flows of ppls opinions

weve all been and will be wrong on stuff

its fine

[bold geode]

Yeah for sure

[solid frigate]

its technically end for me

[rustic mountain]

but yea ppl jump to conclusions its part of any competitive game, humans are pretty reactionary so they dont see something immediately doing well in this case its on fraud watch

[dense latch]

it’s really hard to accurately predict what will do well even the most experienced players will be wrong with early tier lists and such

[foggy lodge]

It can be

[solid frigate]

Ahem miraidon

[foggy lodge]

But playing CIR on ladder is horrible ngl lmao

[solid frigate]

Ahem Lunala

[foggy lodge]

Zama Incin is fucking horrible for CIR

[rustic mountain]

cir is harder to figure out then a lot of other restricteds

[foggy lodge]

Which is why I think it doesn't do that well outside of Mirai

[rustic mountain]

i think mirai is the more obvious choice but theres been some other pairings that have done well w/ it, early meta ofc but still

more notable one is cir/koraidon

[foggy lodge]

Lunala CIR sounds fine but tbh I don't see the

Thing about those two

[rustic mountain]

its more bottom end of restricted pairings

atleast relevant ones

[lost sun]

who would want cir to take more fire damage

[rustic mountain]

well it can tera but also u just make sure it doesnt take fire damage>

it does well w/ the sun guys

[dense latch]

looking at the replies of this tweet i feel like justin knox just hates everything lmao

[foggy lodge]

Mood

[rustic mountain]

idt that core has staying power necessarily but i think its good to think more outside the box on what to pair cir w/

cuz arubega + cir is not it

[solid frigate]

Kyogre this low is just

Why

[solid frigate]

i think they have slightly toned down about that but yeah there are still plenty of it-

[dense latch]

i feel like justin knox might be overrating how much wide guard is around

yes it’s common but it doesn’t immediately invalidate kyogre as a good restricted

[foggy lodge]

Nah i think arubega is not the play for this format

[rustic mountain]

other then kyogre being a tad low the list isnt even crazy lmao

[foggy lodge]

Sableyevgc used cm kyogre with zacian and I liked it a lot

[dense latch]

interested to see how etern performs

i was surprised to see it that high

[rustic mountain]

u need every piece of that team for it to be what it is, teambuilding 101, cant just take things off add something strong and think thats it

[foggy lodge]

He changed it to mystic water later but i think the leftover set was better

[rustic mountain]

idk why ppl dont realize that

[dense latch]

oomf was running etern zacian on bo1 for a bit bc they had rly good type synergy

[rustic mountain]

yea def some other picks id disagree w/ like that one and lunala being where its at

[foggy lodge]

Eternatus isn't bad

[rustic mountain]

id put eternatus in can work but usually meh

[dense latch]

dusk mane being in the same tier as cosmog is funny

[rustic mountain]

and lunala is just a great partner idk bout situationally

[dense latch]

agreed

[rustic mountain]

and yea kyogre would move up to the situationally good partner

other then that list seems fine

[solid frigate]

i just feel like Kyogre should be higher cuz due to being the only restricted to open up rain

[rustic mountain]

higher then situationally good partner?

[solid frigate]

higher than meh

cuz thats PAINFULLY LOW

[rustic mountain]

yea i agree

[lost sun]

fr kyogre goated

[bold geode]

Alright I'm back now I can say what I was gonna say

What's probably gonna happen

1. CIR is either gonna win Milwaukee or do shit in Milwaukee
   If it does shit
2. It'll win a regional after that very quickly

[chrome knot]

cir cant win milwaukee

bc im winning :3

[bold geode]

Yeah so it's gonna win after Milwaukee LOL

Bcuz if it do shit, then people will think Ice Rider is shit then Ice Rider will be under prepared for and it'll win trust

I've played these games before

Now do I think Mirai Ice Rider is the best Miraidon combo especially rn? Actually no

But I think it can be

But actually I have been a changed man

Mirai Lunala is actually pretty good

I wanna see what people have done to prep for Zam CSR though

[solid frigate]

if Miraidon wins again

Well you know what is gonna nuke Miraidon-

[bold geode]

Real talk
Idt Zam CSR wins

[solid frigate]

anything can win that is like meta for them

[rustic mountain]

y r ppl running iron defense zama

[solid frigate]

idk

[bold geode]

I mean let em cook
I can fuck with it for sure

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Fun fact: +3 BP hits harder than SoR +1 BP

[solid frigate]

people who run IDBP Zamazenta:

[bold geode]

You calling me a crackhead?

[solid frigate]

nah i calling you iggy koopa

[bold geode]

Actually I did say a good while back I think Zamazenta might run Iron Defense for double restricted

That was a fat chunk though
I honestly forgot about it

@rustic mountain what move they drop for it

[solid frigate]

i seen them to just not run Wide Guard-

[bold geode]

Deadass I figured they'd like
Not run Protect for some reason

[rustic mountain]

any ability to hit a ghost type

so wide guard-protect-body press-iron defense

[bold geode]

Bruh LOL
So they're just fucked by Fairies too

[solid frigate]

and just dies to Volcarona lol

[bold geode]

It did that anyways

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2354360062-1p0k5yaoflgtwemp6tfxx8t6c0hctk5pw
when u dont even need to fake out

[shadow wind]

I wish this team did better 😔

Guy has 5 ice weaks too

Electric seed Kommo

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2354373281

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2354374509

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dialga-pokemon-pokemon-dialga-primal-dialga-roar-gif-14866522427396026296

[verbal night]

this team looks like it'd suffer a lot against an ice rider team.

[shadow wind]

Yeah it does

But it also looks like a team I would make

[verbal night]

I gotta actually make my team for reg I

thinkin. Miraidon/Caly-I/Iron Hands/Farigiraf/Incineroar/Whims

or
Miraidon/Caly-I/Hands/Farig/Firepon/Whims

tho i've heard ho-oh is actually doing things with miraidon as a funny anti-meta mon

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2354396000

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2354396921

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2354398219

Those 2 + Chi yu is scary

[verbal night]

Miraidon is an incineroar answer because it just does that much damage

[shadow wind]

Miraidon + Chi yu is really threatening

[bold geode]

Chat is cart ladder up or

[atomic mural]

i checked like 30 minutes ago i dont think so

nah just checked again

[bold geode]

It's not up yet?

[atomic mural]

nope

[plain drum]

Monke's in that overnight release line

[atomic mural]

looking at the news tab it should have started 7pm my time

so like 3 hours ago

[plain drum]

[shadow wind]

Dang this team just went from 1080 to 1300 without losing

Too bad I can't do that every time 😔

[cyan smelt]

Sounds like a good team

[shadow wind]

Sounds like I had a good run and that's all

I wish I wasn't able to brute force teams

It gives me false hope

[solid frigate]

Arubega+CIR is not the sauce rn 😦

[verbal night]

ah that makes sense

last team I ran with CIR was one that really was ok even if you didn't get the tr up.

[left bobcat]

Too much sauce

[verbal night]

the other team I'm cookin:
Mirai/CIR/Hands/Watershifu/Incin/Sinistcha

maybe I can finally flex my big incin

[solid frigate]

mmmmm

this feels like Miraidon and Urshifu+TR team

which 4-2 teams are fine but like

not too sure with this comp

[cyan smelt]

What about arubega + lunala

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/soundoriented-robin-hsr-star-rail-stop-gif-979382534876491875

at this point why not just Arubega+Anything-

[shadow wind]

Cause Arubega cooked

[solid frigate]

heck i rarely seen Arubega with Lunala

[verbal night]

for the record, it would be a bulky mirai and bulky watershifu.

maybe might need to find something other than sinistcha. just realized it'd be kinda weak to CSR running an actual psychic move

[solid frigate]

Bulky shifu i get it but Bulky mirai wtf

[bold geode]

There was a bulky Mirai top 8 last VR that was max HP

[foggy lodge]

Bulky Mirai is goated

Most arubega Mirai teams in reg G 2 were super bulky

[solid frigate]

is it mirai cir

[foggy lodge]

Some people were deadass running 252 HP 252 SpA 😭

[verbal night]

Bulky miraidon is nice cause it'll beat the fast miraidons still if I go for the TR mode I kinda already want

[foggy lodge]

Usually yeah but it also makes your tr mode better

And the Whimsicott being faster than the Miraidon allows line with moonblast + volt switch to kill things through sash and your pivot mon is now safe

[solid frigate]

relatable

[shadow wind]

Dang

Little shocked that OHKO'd

[solid frigate]

not suprised

[shadow wind]

I'm not very invested

[chrome knot]

@next stump what day u showing up

[shadow wind]

Oh wait Pao was out

[chrome knot]

come say hi but like on god and for real this time

[cyan smelt]

Chien Pao is goated

[shadow wind]

I just did 63 to an Iron hands with play rough

What has this game even come to

[cyan smelt]

Did it heavy slam you into oblivion

[shadow wind]

No I got sacred fired

[cyan smelt]

Fun

[shadow wind]

That's what I'm saying

Cause my wake did 91% to the Ho oh

Miraidon Ho oh is so hard for me man

Both restricteds can hit Miraidon

Neither can hit Ho oh

Making me consider rock tomb on Groudon

[cyan smelt]

Why not just rockpon

[shadow wind]

Man you can't just slot mons in willy nilly

Now this is cinema

I'm now realizing that fire is a very hard type to hit for super effective

I think I just had the worst luck I've ever had

Missed 3 pblades missed sacred fire got tbolt para'd got double crit

Like my bad for playing I guess

I was so confident I lived

[knotty geyser]

Don't u just love how when u crit the mon was already dead but when u get crit it was in a position that swing the game out of you're favor and just became a insta loss

[shadow wind]

Nah I actually don't love that

😔

[knotty geyser]

Yep

Especially when it's a RESISTED crit and u STILL DIE

LOVE IT

[astral kelp]

LET'S FUCKING GO FINALLYN

When's tapu fini coming back to vgc smh

[cyan smelt]

Probably in champions

[cyan smelt]

We have electric, grass and psychic terrain but not really any misty terrain users because Grimm prefers running other moves

And weezing is neutralising gas

[rustic mountain]

rank 54 on cart

[astral kelp]

Plus misty terrain is kinda ass

Like the only thing weak to dragon pokemon is other dragon pokemon

[rustic mountain]

misty terrain is good

[strange fjord]

Blocks all status isnt too bad. the dragon thing is just the extra you dont really think about

[rustic mountain]

the users just suck rn lol

[strange fjord]

No burns, para or sleep. Helps the team out

[astral kelp]

The only use of misty terrain rn is turning off other terrain

[astral kelp]

It's like

Specific
Not every team has that yk

Plus it doesn't cure the effect

[rustic mountain]

ur missing the point, thats not what misty terrain is used for haha, like sure that can be a byproduct but in general ur also factoring in its main use which is to prevent status

[astral kelp]

I could see zacian liking it

Stopping wisp is really good

[strange fjord]

imagine reg h. no more dire claw rng lol

[astral kelp]

Btw does eletric terrain stop dire claw or am I just unlucky

[strange fjord]

stops the sleep but not the poison or para

[astral kelp]

8 didn't prock it a single time on like 30 different mirai plus sneasler teams

[rustic mountain]

issue is mainly that weezing is the only guy that has it outside grimm setting it manually, neither of which u really want out of those mons

[astral kelp]

Doesn't whimsy learn it or am I high?

[rustic mountain]

i think whims gets it but whims like grimm wants like 10 other moves b4 that

[strange fjord]

whim got too many good moves

[astral kelp]

Yeah lmfoa

I saw a dude running it in the tournament

With volcarona

Could you imagine a rilla boom Mon with misty terrain

With fake out and switching out abilities

[rustic mountain]

or even just something good like indeedee

solid support doesnt necessarily need pivot moves or fo

the distribution for terrain setters has been low, im sure theyll keep it that way

[astral kelp]

I think he was running it to live mirai draco meteor on someone actually

Can we for a second talk about misty explosion

[rustic mountain]

wats there to talk about it sucks

[astral kelp]

So you're telling me that grass types get a huge damage buff and grassy glide
And fairy types just funny themselves

[rustic mountain]

glide got nerfed damage wise in a post dmax era nd its really only good on rilla and kinda ogerpon ig

[astral kelp]

Who else was it good on?

[rustic mountain]

in swsh? just rilla

[astral kelp]

Oh right

Btw why ogerpon not run it?

[strange fjord]

some do, just not as common

[astral kelp]

I feel like it could be used instead of whip on corner stone

[rustic mountain]

some did briefly mainly heartflame w/ rilla but if u dont have ur own terrain setting wats the point

and not many ppl opt for ogerpon + rilla

[strange fjord]

Generally it has low damage output and relies on terrain

[astral kelp]

Ahh right I see

[rustic mountain]

i wonder if well ever see any other types get any sort of field effects in the way weather and terrain have covered like half the type chart so far

[strange fjord]

I feel like we already have some sudo-types field effects. Lile Tailwind Flying, Stealth Rocks Rock, Toxic Spikes Poison, Sticky Webs Bug.

But only for one side ig

[astral kelp]

What's something that doesn't care about their ability and can deal with trick room and caly ice

[astral kelp]

We have like what 8?

4 weather's 4 terrain

I'm surprised dark type doesn't gave a terrain

Maybe a bulky urshifu?

Chi yu?

If you have chi yu next to wheezing it kinda sucks tho

[knotty geyser]

Oger can learn glide?

[mighty stump]

You only run Glide on Firepon cause of Mold Breaker ignoring Armor Tail/Queenly

[exotic grotto]

What's Firepon?

[strange fjord]

Ogerpon Heathflame Mask

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1017: Ogerpon-Hearthflame

Types

Grass/Fire

Abilities

Mold Breaker

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/84/60/96/110

Total

550

Base Species

Ogerpon

Sableye version 4.28.2

[exotic grotto]

Thank you, Chi-yu!

[gentle crag]

fyomin has given 1 Gen Rep to pizza.time

[astral kelp]

lmao this incin just ate 2 crits

i mean it wouldnt have mattered but thats still so funny

[exotic grotto]

k4x1, are you taking part on Global Challenge IV?

[astral kelp]

hopefully

idk if ill be able to build a team by then

ill prolly go for this but im still a bit iffy on that last slot

also my zamazenta might or might not be hackedlmao

[exotic grotto]

Good luck! I'm excited to see you at the #1 spot!

[astral kelp]

bro youre so nice and wholsome

[real prairie]

Looking forward to beating you then too 😉

kidding, go crush it bro

[astral kelp]

Hahah imma bring a scarf kyogre hard counter just for you then

[knotty mirage]

So this is the team that i plan to use on reg i cart ladder what do you guys think ?
https://pokepast.es/23262d5865591bc8

Is there anything i should change or it is good enough

[next stump]

friday night

[real prairie]

each hit from surging strikes does half damage into Lunala at full health right?

[next stump]

nope, the first breaks it and the other 2 do full

different from terapagos

[real prairie]

interesting, im finding less and less use for Chien Pao, and wondering if sash Urshifu is a better option

mostly because the team is built for BO1, and in a BO1 CTS setup, tera ground CIR is enough to surprise Miraidon

https://pokepast.es/455ebd7c9c1c8124

having fighting coverage for Terapagos and something that can hit Lunala hard seems more beneficial than Chien pao

[knotty geyser]

Why is a confei out speeding a choice scarf miraidon

Or el terrain bundle

[real prairie]

it has priority

[knotty mirage]

It have +3 priority on healing move like draining kiss so yeah

[knotty geyser]

. . . . . .

[cyan smelt]

should i play some bo3

[chrome knot]

not getting wristband friday?

[next stump]

no some of the people i’m driving with can’t leave till like 5PM friday

[chrome knot]

ahh

[mighty stump]

i went to the Nintendo official popup

me and my gf got matching animal crossing staff shirts

the button up that Tom Nook wears

[chrome knot]

awww

[real prairie]

Cute!

need pics though

[solid frigate]

tom nook is goated tho

[bold geode]

Helloing Tofu

[knotty briar]

Day 1 master ball tier!
I am loving reg I

[atomic mural]

Epic

[bold geode]

Aight chat
Time to fuck up ranked ladder

[knotty mirage]

Chat can i get opinion on this team planning to use it to push on reg i cart ladder
https://pokepast.es/23262d5865591bc8

[covert python]

Been awhile since I’ve been active but I’m back. What i miss?

[knotty briar]

Reg I is here

2 restricted legendaries are now allowed

[knotty briar]

Seems good though I'd personally replace flutter with valiant or hands depending on what you need

[knotty mirage]

Hmm i guess i will consider of using iron hand i will test drive it first tho maybe if i fought too many sun setter i prefer to just keep flutter

[covert python]

Thank you for the info. I just not to long ago bought my online membership again. So I’m back.

[gentle crag]

dashketchumttv has given 1 Gen Rep to bman54319

[bold geode]

4-1 start, finna hit Master Ball soon
Shit's just too easy, format is fun too

[mighty stump]

goodbye

is it Reg I already

[exotic grotto]

Congratulations on such an incredible feat!

[mighty stump]

Eugh

[chrome knot]

why the hell did monke turn into gura

[bold geode]

Wow
You's a bitch bruh

[bold geode]

WE HONOR THE SHARK TODAY

[mighty stump]

My own children turning on me

[bold geode]

🫡

[mighty stump]

Wait why the fuck wre you gura

[bold geode]

We honor the shark today
For we have lost her

[foggy lodge]

Didn't know you watched vtubers lol

[bold geode]

Yeah I have and still do sometimes
Not as much as I used to but

[knotty mirage]

Does anyone know the best restricted pair for caly ice that's not miraidon ?

[chrome knot]

zam

lunala or ndw

[bold geode]

Tofu I'm fighting Jolly Scarf Shifu mushallah

[knotty mirage]

Ndw ?

Oh necrozma right

[foggy lodge]

My vtuber

[foggy lodge]

I'm seeing a lot too

[bold geode]

Ew
A flesh tuber

STELLAR CSR

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense to not lose against Chi-Yu and Landorus

[bold geode]

I'M LIVING IN A FUCKING NIGHTMARE

[knotty mirage]

Welcome too cart ladder

[mighty stump]

Yeah I run that for Modest Chi Yu

[bold geode]

Damn

Well I lost that game cuz of an obvious imprison
I always throw games when I'm one game away from Master Ball

[real prairie]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2354685389-nwvskuch3tuudv1v2ot4snckxf8v69jpw

LOL

i went with Triple axel as i was worried about missing Power whip, 93% accurate. Instead i miss the 99% accurate Triple axel

[lofty tartan]

I guess thems the breaks

[chrome knot]

99%*3 uses, 93% once

bwomp

im sure 99 3 times is still more likely but

[knotty briar]

I personally use dawn wings Necrozma

[knotty mirage]

I'm not sure if i want try to run caly ice and dawn wing at same team because it's gonna be hard to go agains't ghost and dark

[real prairie]

pain

[knotty briar]

It's a little tricky, but dark us literally ruins and incineroar while ghost is flutter, lunala, and caly with the occasional ape
As long as you can plan for those you should be fine

[knotty mirage]

Yeah i'm just going to pair it with something else

[chrome knot]

idk my silly ass is power whipping

[real prairie]

if its not 100% accurate...

[bold geode]

Me when my goofy ahh hit the power nae nae afterwards

[chrome knot]

fuck it we ball

[real prairie]

i prefer that version tbf

[bold geode]

True, if it's not 100% accurate, fuck it chuck the dice

[chrome knot]

me asf

im addicted to encore predictions on fake outs & screens

[bold geode]

Me clicking Sandsear like a mfer (I have Rain but I'm too stupid to always use it)

[spiral ridge]

Real

[knotty mirage]

Ah yeah i get that the pressure of just winning one more game makes it more likely too missplay

[solid frigate]

we literally have that discussion in my server lmao

[spiral ridge]

I dmd his ass lol

[knotty briar]

Makes the purgatory of ultra ball rank all the more infuriating

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2354748363-mnejp6qyfotl6u6bc57gsicv9rfqqpppw

the miss makes it worse-

[bold geode]

Nah tbf I just made a dumb play when I could've made a better one
There wasn't really pressure, I'm just the big stupid

[craggy dagger]

i keep on thinking you're someone else lol
that pfp is throwing me off
but

[spiral ridge]

lol yeah

I keep thinking it’s someone from general or you 😭

[bold geode]

My name is orange

I'm color coded bestie c'mon

[spiral ridge]

See gura before orange

Then I know it’s you

[bold geode]

My honest reaction: horse

[spiral ridge]

Dude I was about to say no shot you put it here you nasty bastard

[bold geode]

LMAO

It's gonna be my next pfp

[spiral ridge]

Die

[craggy dagger]

goob

[bold geode]

Oh i haven't shown you that image

[spiral ridge]

Don’t 😭

[solid frigate]

lol

[dapper crag]

What’s the best set for Dialga / Dialga-Origin competitive singles?

TWave + Stealth Rock Origin? Choice Specs? Assault Vest? Scarf?

[solid frigate]

...

none-

[dapper crag]

I need recommendations / help I just want to try team building with Dialga

[solid frigate]

2 STABs +TR Protect is the base set

[dapper crag]

Not for doubles

[solid frigate]

ok nvm then

[dapper crag]

Can you still help? 🙏

Dialga is “ass” and I wanna prove everyone wrong

[solid frigate]

lefties or Life Orb with 2 stabs+2 Coverage

honestly Dialga isn't Ass in Singles

its more ass in Doubles

[dapper crag]

I just can’t find a good set in smogon

I want to try origin with heavy slam and stealth rock, but I don’t see any set with it

And they’re running speed aswell

[solid frigate]

just run double stab+Coverage

[strange fjord]

Dialga-O usage stats might give you some ideas on how people run it
https://munchstats.com/gen9ubers/1760/Dialga-Origin

Assuming Ubers format

This one is the Battle Stadium Singles
https://munchstats.com/gen9bssregi/1760/Dialga-Origin

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2354908953 did i play right or are my opponents dumb

[solid frigate]

bit of both

[dull ibex]

fair

[foggy lodge]

2nd one

Bro clicked nasty plot in front of hands farigiraf lead

Surely I hope they don't click trick room lmao

And like why not pick hearthflame here?

If you want to get the nasty plot at all costs atleast you pick the follow me mon lol

[dull ibex]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2354911655

[atomic mural]

bro i just got 2 no restricted teams in a row on ranked cart

[foggy lodge]

Damn what's your ogerpon speed?

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/e68a2d33cdf9e53a

[craggy dagger]

that’s a really weird looking dialga origin

[foggy lodge]

So bro was slow dondozo

[tiny karma]

Tornadus's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Astonish, Bite, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Crunch, Facade, Fling, Fly, Foul Play, Frustration, Giga Impact, Hammer Arm, Iron Tail, Knock Off, Lash Out, Payback, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Smash, Secret Power, Sky Drop, Smack Down, Strength, Superpower, Take Down, Thief, Thrash, U-turn

Special Moves

Air Cutter, Air Slash, Bleakwind Storm, Chilling Water, Dark Pulse, Extrasensory, Focus Blast, Grass Knot, Gust, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Icy Wind, Incinerate, Psychic, Round, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Snore, Tera Blast, Uproar, Weather Ball

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Bulk Up, Confide, Defog, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Leer, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Protect, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Tailwind, Taunt, Torment, Toxic

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Tornadus.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[real prairie]

Mmhh defog Tornadus

Nevermind, can't learn it anymore

[astral kelp]

Wtf is that steel beam dialga

[real prairie]

Just lost a game on cart to a double protect + double detect

Side by side

[atomic mural]

oof

[shadow wind]

If you think about it

That’s only a 1/9 chance

Same odds as a Draco miss

Wait

Not same odds

Slightly likelier actually

[astral kelp]

1/3 * 1/3 = 11% chance

honestly thats actually way higher than i thouight

[shadow wind]

I mean a 1/10 is 10%

[astral kelp]

yeah like

idk why i thought it would be lower

HOLY SHIT HOW HAVE I NOT THOUGHT OF THIS

[astral kelp]

that seems unbelievably shit lmao

[astral kelp]

i kinda like the idea of no blizzard kyurem on paper but idk

[dapper crag]

I lowkey want to see you pull off Blizzard Kyurem + Veil Ninetales too in the same team with Zekrom

[astral kelp]

yeah that sounds hellla fun

tho prolly torn would be better than a9

you could try both actually

you can bring a9 into slower matchups and torn into faster matchups\

actually that sounds good cooking time

oh wait my old reg g team already has that but i just never used it that way 💀

holy shit zoroark learns it?

whos cooking this zoroark set lmao

this looks so troll lmao

[atomic mural]

so my min speed ursaluna just went before a miraidon

without trick room up btw

[solid frigate]

do you have TW-

[atomic mural]

no

idk what happened

[lofty tartan]

Do you have a replay? Much easier to figure things out with being able to see conditions in effect rather than speculating on what happened

[atomic mural]

only thing i can think of is dragon tail

[atomic mural]

it was on cart

[lofty tartan]

Dragon Tail is -6 priority.

It will almost always move last.

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1008: Miraidon

Types

Electric/Dragon

Abilities

Hadron Engine

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/85/100/135/115/135

Total

670

Weight (Low Kick BP)

240kg (120 BP)

Height

3.5m

Introduced

Generation 9

Egg groups

Undiscovered

Gender Ratio

N/A: 100%

Color

Purple

Sableye version 4.28.2

[atomic mural]

how do you see moves

[bold geode]

Aight chat I'm here
What we doin

[lofty tartan]

Irregardless of speed, Dragon Tail is -6 priority. It will move after slow things

[atomic mural]

yeah

[bold geode]

Helloing señor Mika

[lofty tartan]

Hi

[chrome knot]

chicago bËan

bEAN

[bold geode]

Chicago bean

[chrome knot]

bean..

[spiral ridge]

THE BEANNN

apparently the artist hjates its called thatlmfao

[bold geode]

It's like you but in statue form

[atomic mural]

the bean

[solid frigate]

BEAN

[craggy dagger]

bean!

[lost sun]

the bean

[bold geode]

Canada bean 🫵

[craggy dagger]

indeed i am

[bold geode]

Stimky bean

[spiral ridge]

indeed

[craggy dagger]

wha

[mental mason]

I finally built a team on cart. Not the best, but I enjoy it. Barely over .500 on Showdown after ~150 games with three different teams. And, uh, lower ladder cart teams are weird is my one take away from 6 games on cart.

[bold geode]

https://x.com/chesscom/status/1917919265333678395?t=viHhSMhJtyPmVB9NtwUaVQ&s=19
How tf

Chess.com (@chesscom) on X

Premier League footballer @EbereEze10, and Pokemon World Champion @WolfeyGlick have already secured their #PogChamps6 semifinal spots 🔥🔥

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[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-meme-smack-hit-gif-14682331153624420698

[languid ocean]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2355149238-csxrix1yc7il4mkhbfmow82fkchd6wapw?p2

Average day in a smeargle battle

[astral kelp]

wait is roar -6

[languid ocean]

yes

[tiny karma]

Move: Roar

The target is forced to switch out and be replaced with a random unfainted ally. Fails if the target is the last unfainted Pokemon in its party, or if the target used Ingrain previously or has the Suction Cups Ability.

Type

Normal

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

20 (32)

Priority

-6

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Authentic

Bypasses substitute.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Reflectable

Affected by Magic Coat and Magic Bounce.

Sound

Does not affect Soundproof.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

how tf did i not know that

[lofty tartan]

I do my fair degree of research before assuming I know anything.

[languid ocean]

afaik all force switch moves are -6

can kinda bypass it with after you but highly doubt that would be good

[astral kelp]

lool its funny because i used a team that was based around roar like ages ago and played a bunch of games with it when i was new to the game

could you imagine how unfun grimmsnarl roar would be if it wasnt -6

[lofty tartan]

It'd be -5 if affected by Prankster, I believe.

Still a little faster.

[astral kelp]

if it wasnt

like +1 roar lmfao

[lofty tartan]

Yeah that would be a little broken. You would push everything off the field before it acts and control your opponent too much

Removes like all player agency

You can Prankster TR and have it speed tie Roar though lmao

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[astral kelp]

doesnt it already?

[rustic mountain]

u sure? i feel like tr is always last

[astral kelp]

its -6 iirc

[tiny karma]

Move: Trick Room

For 5 turns, the Speed of every Pokemon is recalculated for the purposes of determining turn order. During the effect, each Pokemon's Speed is considered to be (10000 - its normal Speed), and if this value is greater than 8191, 8192 is subtracted from it. If this move is used during the effect, the effect ends.

Type

Psychic

Category

Status

Power

0

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

5 (8)

Priority

-7

Move Flags

​

Protect

Bypasses Protect-like moves.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[rustic mountain]

nah tr is like -8 i think

[astral kelp]

holy hell

[rustic mountain]

ahh -7

[astral kelp]

i assume theres nothing else at -7 lol

[rustic mountain]

not that im aware of

[astral kelp]

could you imaghine getting outsped by trick room

[rustic mountain]

no

[lofty tartan]

Yeah -7 + 1 = -6

[astral kelp]

btw mika what have you been running in reg i?

[foggy lodge]

There is a high team on bo3 ladder with miraidon lunala

https://pokepast.es/1bdea6b158bb7895

I don't have the evs but some people may play it at milwaukee so I recommend practicing against it

[rustic mountain]

jfc

[lofty tartan]

LUNALA HO-OH FOR PRESIDENT

I actually am going to be playing some cart ladder over the weekend. I'm just not huge into showdown so I prefer cart.

I haven't played any reg I yet but I've been watching the meta

[rustic mountain]

cart is goated

sd is cool and all but nothing beats playing on cart

[lofty tartan]

I enjoy it. Better soundtrack and sounds and there's actual feedback

Whereas I cannot use sound on Showdown ever

[rustic mountain]

sound on showdown is so bad lmao

[lofty tartan]

And grinding game after game in silence sucks

S/V has a kick ass soundtrack

So many jams

Like I lock tf in with the battle music for the professor fight

That's my go-to for round 3 at regionals

[rustic mountain]

didnt get many games in cuz it took awhile to put my team together in game ( had to re ev mons i didnt think i needed to and change teras that i didnt have enough shards for) so by the time that got done i just played to get to mball

[rustic mountain]

yea theres so many good options

[lofty tartan]

Yo Tree if you ever need a hand fixing stuff on cart, I am constantly flush with resources including shinies

So I'm always down to help friends

[foggy lodge]

cart also doesn't betray me with the ditto mechanics

lmao

[rustic mountain]

im mainly doing the ruin theme rn for battle soundtrack

[lofty tartan]

Ruin theme is a certified bop

[rustic mountain]

appreciate it, im good generally on mons cuz ive hunted a lot myself nd w/ the charm that increases tera shard drops its not too bad it was just tedious

[shadow wind]

Why do I feel like 90% of teams look like this now

[rustic mountain]

csr/korai is a popular core

[foggy lodge]

its broken

[lofty tartan]

Shard charm is pretty dope. I've gotten really exact on timing for the item printer so I do that now for speed. I have like 12 boxes of vgc shinies now lmao

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

Not me with like six battle ready shiny Kingambits and four Urshifus. Nope

[rustic mountain]

thats dope i did not even attempt figuring out the item printer rng thing lol

[lofty tartan]

My switch only has a 1 second delay so it's super easy to time

[foggy lodge]

I tried it

I get it sometimes but I miss the timing too much lol

[rustic mountain]

i mostly have a shit ton of shards from event raids but theres a few like ghost grass and water that i guess ive used a lot of so those are just depleted af

[shadow wind]

Dang this guy just connected all 6 heat waves

[lofty tartan]

I just run a stopwatch on my phone

[shadow wind]

Some people are really drowning while I'm dying of thirst

[lofty tartan]

Ghost grass and water are premium shards. They're used so much you're always low

[rustic mountain]

yea

water and grass im not surprised on

ghost a bit lol

[lofty tartan]

I have like 900+ dark dragon poison etc

[rustic mountain]

yea i think im at like atleast 300 of every other

[foggy lodge]

I'm low on normal tera shards🫠

[shadow wind]

Walking wake feels so useless man

[lofty tartan]

I went to 950ish on every shard during a blissey event, before item printer was cracked.

[rustic mountain]

wake sucks in reg i rn

[lofty tartan]

I always have to get more grass, water, ghost, fairy, fire

[foggy lodge]

Also I was yesterday years old when I discovered that wild tera pokemon give you tera shards lol

[shadow wind]

Yeah it's just there's nothing I can use to kill Ho oh and Incin 😔

[lofty tartan]

Don't be dissin my dragon son

[rustic mountain]

yea fwg seems so common for tera

[lofty tartan]

Rockpon

I'm running that as insurance for the mirror

[rustic mountain]

yea i swapped rockpon on my team recently for ho oh

[cyan smelt]

I already suggested rockpon

[rustic mountain]

and for volc

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it seemed strong

[shadow wind]

How does Rockpon beat Incin guys

[rustic mountain]

so far its been solid, i bring it more then i brought bolt

[foggy lodge]

oh btw if people is really playing tera bug incin then it mantains the rock weakness

[lofty tartan]

Cornerstone is just strong atm.

[rustic mountain]

extra sash is nice

[rustic mountain]

ive seen it once so far myself

[foggy lodge]

I've seen some

But mostly tera ghost incin

[lofty tartan]

Tera Bug now? Seems fine enough to deal with

[rustic mountain]

i think tera bug is ight

[lofty tartan]

Seems fine

[foggy lodge]

Its what some people were running to not be pinned by body press astral barrage

[rustic mountain]

not something id generally use on incin but i get it

[lofty tartan]

Just bonk it

[foggy lodge]

It has niches

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

Wolfey used the tera bug incin

[shadow wind]

😔

[lofty tartan]

Cornerstone should still be fine into Incin. If you don't crit you're doing some serviceable damage with Rock Cudgel for the partner to pick up the KO

[shadow wind]

Me when I find a good Groudon MU (There isn't one)

[rustic mountain]

how do u struggle w/ incin w/ groudon

[shadow wind]

I have negative prio block

[foggy lodge]

Eh Incin can take groudon hits really fine

[shadow wind]

So the better question is

How does Groudon beat Incin CSR

[foggy lodge]

It pressures it atleast but isn't like incin delete button

Only if precipice blades was boosted by sun lol

[shadow wind]

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Incineroar: 156-186 (77.2 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rustic mountain]

that seems to be a question i dont care to figure out sorry

[lofty tartan]

My head is currently exploding. I had taken all of Reg G off to work on me and coming into this month I've gone from an unscored credit rating to nearly-exceptional credit.

I'm meeting with the small business portion of my state tomorrow to talk about what I need to open a tcg store in my area and start running events. Can probably secure a business loan now.

Mission freaking accomplished

[shadow wind]

The answer is double giraffe

Which is something I don't have currently

I have a single giraffe

I am actually thinking Farig Bolt is a great answer

But Zacian doesn't love TR so I might need to use a different restricted

[rustic mountain]

all goes back to lunala

[shadow wind]

No way this is my next game

[foggy lodge]

lmao

[lofty tartan]

Lunala so goated

[foggy lodge]

2 physical restricteds isn't great yeah

[shadow wind]

So called free thinkers when they have Urshifu in rain

[foggy lodge]

2 special restricteds is better

[shadow wind]

Special attackers are actually just better

[foggy lodge]

Idk how much but I think lunala miraidon or csr miraidon on certain comps is good

[shadow wind]

The only thing that physical attackers have going for them is that more mons get snarl than breaking swipe

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

I think I'm coming to the conclusion that this game is not good

[rustic mountain]

breaking swipe usually sucks too

the game can be good, ur just actively choosing to make ur experience more difficult

[shadow wind]

Mmm but even then

It's not like using CSR Zama would be fun

This game is a headache

[rustic mountain]

im not even saying csr/zama tho

but groudon?

[shadow wind]

Alright but meta combos in general is what you're getting at

[lofty tartan]

Lunala HoOh is fun

[rustic mountain]

good restricteds

[foggy lodge]

use quiver dance volcarona and watch your Volcarona get 2hko'd by astral barrage

[lofty tartan]

Groudon is getting a lot of hate right now in Reg I and it sucks that he's competing with Koraidon

[rustic mountain]

yea

[shadow wind]

I know that I'm using a bad restricted but I've used the meta stuff before

[lofty tartan]

Whereas Kyogre competes with Pelipper

[rustic mountain]

im not even saying like dont use groudon, i think its more like, ya ur teambuilding process is gna be more strenous and a bigger hurdle to overcome

[lofty tartan]

I wouldn't say Groudon is inherently bad. But their decision to make Koraidon a sun setter was probably short sighted

[rustic mountain]

not really

after tera koraidon is pretty flawed in its own ways

[shadow wind]

I mean 135 speed with 180 attack is darn good

[lofty tartan]

I know why they did it, because proto mons boost in sun. Both the bikes enable their future/past Paradoxes.

[rustic mountain]

its really just for this gen its gna be as strong as it is imo

[foggy lodge]

btw this thing has been rotting at the bottom of my teambuilder since the first week the format was available https://pokepast.es/a4a505a10d899578

[rustic mountain]

dozo? keep it there

[lofty tartan]

Agree. I just mean that Koraidon is doing a really good job of taking Groudon's paychecks

[rustic mountain]

yea i agree

[shadow wind]

Groudon is flipping burgers right now

[rustic mountain]

in sv its almost completely outclassed it whereas otherwise groudon would prolly get force play cuz of the sun guys

[lofty tartan]

Groudon is standing in the line at the career center waiting for daily job placement

He doesn't have stable employment right now.

[rustic mountain]

yea its tough out there for older restricteds

p much anything pre gen 7 is not good

[foggy lodge]

In general also is like

[lofty tartan]

Groudon is getting SNAP benefits

[shadow wind]

You say that as Kyogre is still some of the highest damage possible

[lofty tartan]

Poor guy

[foggy lodge]

Koraidon goes for more offensive style of teams while Groudon goes for more balance

[shadow wind]

You want explosiveness you go Kyogre

[rustic mountain]

thats why i said p much anything not everything

[foggy lodge]

The example of Lunala Groudon is a bulky offense for example

[shadow wind]

Like that mon gets everything under the sun

[lofty tartan]

Kyogre boosts his damage in rain. Groudon doesn't. It's a big deal

[shadow wind]

In the rain I guess would be more fitting

[shadow wind]

Not just that

Precipice blades vs. Water spout

[rustic mountain]

u have eruption

[foggy lodge]

It has 90 spa eruption dw

[shadow wind]

100 but yeah

Torkoal does more damage

Let's be for real here

[rustic mountain]

do u know all of groudons base stats off top?

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[shadow wind]

100
150
140
100
90
90

I've stared at this guy so much in the builder

[jade dust]

I would like to make a team with Lunala but Idk what is a good partner legendary and what EVs to use

If fast Lunala or max HP and Spc Atk

[lofty tartan]

HoOh

[rustic mountain]

depends on the team