competitive_discussion

[shadow wind]

Scarfed too

[lofty tartan]

I dig Scarf whale.

But the Tera Blast

[shadow wind]

Choice whale means you gotta commit to water spout doing 4 damage sometimes

[lofty tartan]

You can switch too.

[shadow wind]

Well yeah

[lofty tartan]

You Spout, maybe pick up a KO, now you can switch and reposition 🤷

With Scarf honestly I think Spout can be a lot safer

[shadow wind]

Yeah that’s true

They CSR as well but they didn’t bring it either game

[lofty tartan]

Wild

[shadow wind]

Just kind of weird overall

[lofty tartan]

Agreed

[shadow wind]

They brought Dozogiri and Kyogre Weezing both games

[lofty tartan]

It sounds terrible lol

[shadow wind]

Just use CSR atp

[lofty tartan]

Yeah definitely. Just seems like a ton of work for no whale payoff

[shadow wind]

I also have really good whale counters in AV Bolt but still could’ve tried a little harder…

[lofty tartan]

True. But any Kyogre player should have outs to Rilla and Bolt in the pocket

Weezing ain't it xD

[shadow wind]

Yeah… they really just didn’t

[lofty tartan]

Sounds like it. Just banking on Gas being oppressive in certain cases

But in a CSR-dominant format that's sketchy as hell

[shadow wind]

Crazy how that ability just doesn’t get stopped

[lofty tartan]

Yeaaaaah... It was a choice. I think they should've left some degree of Proto-boosts un-gassable

[shadow wind]

Like those weren’t even that broken

[lofty tartan]

Nope. It just gave them synergy with Weezing

But they weren't oppressive

[shadow wind]

Not like the Calys

[lofty tartan]

We still deal with Boosters all over the place, and yeah, Honses

[shadow wind]

I’ve seen very few Weezing CIRs but it’s out there

[lofty tartan]

I did appreciate that it prevents Commander, but it's quite a risky game taking Weezing hoping to counterplay Dozo

[shadow wind]

Yeah like you have to have it on the field 24/7

[lofty tartan]

Right, or they switch in on you and trigger

[shadow wind]

I need to find an answer to Terapagos

[lofty tartan]

Punch it really hard

[shadow wind]

I’m shocked at how common it is when Koraidon and Zama are really common

[lofty tartan]

Joking. Urshifu Dark

[shadow wind]

I was thinking about Urshifu dark but I’d just be switching Chi yu and Urshifu dark out over and over trying to find the better one

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Chi-Yu is really solid with CSR around

[shadow wind]

I really like cloak chi yu

[lofty tartan]

I think Dark Ursh has merit. And the pressure to Terapagos is real

I dig Dark Ursh on Sun, in particular.

[shadow wind]

Any particular reason why?

Like I can see how it’s awesome but any reason on Sun?

[lofty tartan]

You can't really run Water Ursh in Sun 🤷

Mostly that. But also because Dark Ursh looks very good right now.

The 4x Fairy weak is ass, but he's got pressure on a lot of good restricteds.

[shadow wind]

It’s true

[lofty tartan]

Namely Honse

And he doesn't immediately get pressured by Bolt

Or Rilla

[shadow wind]

My horse MUs are actually fairly decent it’s just the partners I struggle with

[lofty tartan]

No doubt.

I think it's valid to carry at least one rock solid dark mon right now.

So it's usually Chi-Yu

[shadow wind]

I also have Moon but he’s more support

[lofty tartan]

Lots of dark options there, for sure.

I've been considering Iron Jugs.

[shadow wind]

100%

Iron jugs is really dope

I used it before and man CSR just hates the thing so much

[lofty tartan]

It's non-Prankster TW but I think a lot of non-Prankster TW can be good right now

I've been seeing things like Ho-Oh running TW for the team with no Whims/Torn/Murk in sight

[shadow wind]

Yeah I ran TW ho oh and it worked great

[lofty tartan]

Just give Jugs a booster and hurricane, run alongside the whale

[shadow wind]

I ran it with Groudon and even just snarl air slash was awesome

[left bobcat]

wait Groudon snarl?

Oh nvm iron jug snarl and air slash

[tiny karma]

Ability: Aroma Veil

This Pokemon and its allies cannot become affected by Attract, Disable, Encore, Heal Block, Taunt, or Torment.

Sableye version 4.28.2

Ability: Sweet Veil

This Pokemon and its allies cannot fall asleep, but those already asleep do not wake up immediately. This Pokemon and its allies cannot use Rest successfully or become affected by Yawn, and those previously affected will not fall asleep.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[lofty tartan]

Yeah snarl/air slash is good. I just pick hurricane because Kyogre

[shadow wind]

Well yeah

Free 110 BP move is great

I wish Sun had moves like that

[tiny karma]

Ability: Inner Focus

This Pokemon cannot be made to flinch. This Pokemon is immune to the effect of the Intimidate Ability.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[shadow wind]

Anti Incin ability

[shadow wind]

I'm seeing more Mirai Kyogre, is that a good pairing or something?

[lost sun]

yes

[shadow wind]

But like why

[lost sun]

cus yes

[shadow wind]

Ah ok thanks

It doesn't seem that awesome

[lofty tartan]

I don't really groove with it.

[lost sun]

great offensivly

[lofty tartan]

Miraidon is a cannon but doesn't really cover for anything Kyogre has trouble with.

So other pairings can get more mileage

[shadow wind]

Me when

[lost sun]

other water types mainly

[shadow wind]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-drumming-pokemon-leon-gif-27454385

[lost sun]

and tera water is super common

[lofty tartan]

You've got some answers for those

I think Zacian is honestly better for Kyogre. And it hit rank #1 on Bo3 ladder too.

[shadow wind]

They actually had nothing for Rilla

[lost sun]

maybe but I've not tried it so idk

[shadow wind]

Zacian and Kyogre is sick

[lost sun]

tentacruel

new meta fr

[shadow wind]

Sludge bomb Amoonguss makes me sad

[rustic mountain]

they cover for each others issue w/ ground and water types but yea i agree w/ wat ur overall saying w/ other duos jus being better

im skeptical on the pairing

[shadow wind]

It's becoming more common

[rustic mountain]

yea i had seen jeudy say it had merit very early on but i just dont really see it

[shadow wind]

Also AV Raging bolt is still surprising me with calcs

244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Fairy Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Raging Bolt: 152-182 (65.5 - 78.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rustic mountain]

bolts good

[shadow wind]

What do you mean this guy is taking almost less than Groudon

From a super effective hit

Too bad AV doesn't help against Amoonguss

I hate that guy

[rustic mountain]

always trade offs

[lost sun]

if only groudon was a fire special attack and precipice was also fire spa

[shadow wind]

What is bro on about 😭

Right lets make Groudon just not able to hit Kyogre at all

Smart

[rustic mountain]

[lost sun]

yes

[shadow wind]

Just big heat wave atp

[rustic mountain]

wats ur newest sun iteration conner

[shadow wind]

This one has been in the works

[rustic mountain]

oh right i remember the ceruledge

[lost sun]

what's the edge do

[shadow wind]

He did nothin

That's why he died

[rustic mountain]

was in theory for csr/zama

[shadow wind]

Yeah

The team struggles into Terapagos

[lost sun]

what even counters csr Zama other than csr zama

[shadow wind]

Ho oh

Lunala to some degree

[rustic mountain]

those guys can be annoying but i wouldnt say counters necessarily, its a strong duo

[shadow wind]

Zacian Kyogre Amoonguss is such a hard MU for me

I have tera grass on Chi yu for the sole purpose of Amoonguss but Kyogre makes me do negative damage

[lost sun]

is there anything in-game that sets up misty terrain

[rustic mountain]

weezing

[lost sun]

as ability

[shadow wind]

Gweezing

Misty surge

[lofty tartan]

Yeah like I'm no authority I just think there's better. Honestly I'm not quite sure who's best for Mirai right now, or Kyogre. Still needs time in the oven

[shadow wind]

252+ SpA Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Flamethrower vs. 244 HP / 76 SpD Amoonguss in Rain: 126-150 (57.2 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Yknow that's actually more damage than I thought

But then they just spore my partner until I die

[rustic mountain]

i think cir is the best partner for mirai and zacian for kyogre but its subject to change for sure. u could argue lunala for mirai too

[shadow wind]

0 SpA Amoonguss Sludge Bomb vs. 12 HP / 4 SpD Tera Grass Chi-Yu: 78-92 (59 - 69.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Also that calc is messed

[lofty tartan]

I like Lunala Miraidon. I'm not 100% sold on CIR/Mirai, myself

[shadow wind]

Lunala Miraidon is good

[rustic mountain]

i think its tough to figure out but wen it does i think that duo is gna pop off

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I think I'm just aversive to TR modes as a player

😐

I've really tried to get better with it but I think I need to coast into that mentality

[rustic mountain]

i like a good tr mode but yea fair enough

[lofty tartan]

I think my main issue is playing into TR with a TR-inclusive team

I do much better into TR with balance or hyper offense.

[rustic mountain]

yea it can be tricky, especially depending on the mons and speed tiers

whereas its more clear cut wen ur balance or ho, generally

[lofty tartan]

Yup. Exactly

[shadow wind]

Why is this allowed to happen

[rustic mountain]

rough

[shadow wind]

Man this team has Amoonguss stuff but nothing to kill it

Why isn't Ursaluna used more?

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2347825417

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-pokemon-pokemon-sword-and-shield-pokemon-journeys-urshifu-move-gif-24747047

[shadow wind]

Ok and? Incineroar is used loads

[solid frigate]

nah i was not refering to the question

[lost sun]

made some guy rage quit with imprison Zama and csr

[shadow wind]

My bad then

[solid frigate]

but its more likely towards on BM Ursa Wants Tailroom or Soft TR

Which this format really have a disadvantage on

[shadow wind]

Bro what are they feeding Incins nowadays 😭

I am max attack

[foggy lodge]

252+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 146-174 (72.2 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You got a min damage roll and they were max physical bulk/near max

[shadow wind]

Bro there is no need for these sets

[solid frigate]

just run SpD-

like you already have Intimidate-

[shadow wind]

Like what does this guy wanna live? Mystic water surging strikes?

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

180+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 198-240 (98 - 118.8%) -- 99.8% chance to OHKO

who knows lol

[astral kelp]

lets see how good the vgc reddit is

[dense latch]

i've seen some egregious teams come out from vgc reddit

one of the first teams i find lol

[atomic mural]

[astral kelp]

yeah its wild lmao

💀

[astral kelp]

yeah the reddit is wild lol

[dense latch]

the comments in some of these are lowkey worse than the teams lmao

so confidently wrong

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2347922879
THIS IS THE FUNNIEST GAME IVE EVER BEEN A PART OFF

I DIDNT REALIZE I WAS IN A GAME

[foggy lodge]

That's what always makes vgc reddit better

Literal definition of the blind leading the blind😭

[foggy lodge]

This team is actually not bad

Tho yeah what's the obsession of vgc reddit with no protect Zamazenta

[dense latch]

i saw someone say impish is a bad nature on zama and you should run bold or relaxed instead 😭

[cyan smelt]

Tr zamazenta

[foggy lodge]

😭😭😭

what special moves does it has to justify going bold

flash cannon???

[tiny karma]

Zamazenta-Crowned's moveset:

Physical Moves

Behemoth Bash, Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Close Combat, Crunch, Dig, Facade, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Ice Fang, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Payback, Play Rough, Psychic Fangs, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Revenge, Reversal, Slash, Stone Edge, Tail Slap, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Trailblaze, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Moonblast, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Coaching, Endure, Focus Energy, Guard Swap, Helping Hand, Howl, Imprison, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Power Swap, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zamazenta-Crowned.

Sableye version 4.28.2

[dense latch]

context was a player bulding a tr team for the first time

i dont think they know their natures

[foggy lodge]

Hard TR Zama is also weird af

[cyan smelt]

Steel beam zama

[dense latch]

holy shit

is this the reg i sauce

[foggy lodge]

what's their obsession with no protect on the restrictedssss😭😭😭

i just realised

Isn't Crown actually Solgaleo but better

[dense latch]

honestly i don't wanna send some of the teams because most of them are new and it doesn't feel right to bash on them

[foggy lodge]

Faster and also can ko things through sash and sturdy

[cyan smelt]

I tried wp solgaleo with bulldoze koraidon, didn't really work too well, I'm not sure solgaleo is good without dynamax

[foggy lodge]

They are not here there's no problem

We laugh at the teams not from them

[dense latch]

what i do think it's funny are the people who think they're right when they're even more wrong than the OP

[spiral ridge]

And knowing Reddit if you gave your advice enjoy -200 votes

[chrome knot]

erm./... yeah, m,,, tjhis team is quite unoptimal..

[dense latch]

r/vgc is like an echochamber for bad vgc teams

[spiral ridge]

Where’s the Spa koraidon you plebeian

[forest arrow]

Specs fire blast incoming-

[spiral ridge]

Indeed

[bold geode]

@spiral ridge Raika caught me playing OW

[forest arrow]

Lmao

It was so fast

[spiral ridge]

I know

[forest arrow]

How are you? :3

[bold geode]

Babe does it usually take eons for games to queue

[forest arrow]

I mean I never play qp it may take a minute or too lol

I’ll put us in a custom game

[spiral ridge]

Doing good long fucking day but saw Niagara Falls over weekend

[forest arrow]

Good glad to hear! And nice! I bet that was awesome! Definitely a bucket list visit spot

[spiral ridge]

Yeah it was super pretty

Hru dude?

[forest arrow]

I’m doing good! Just same ol same ol, just work and gaming lol

[spiral ridge]

Glad you’re taking care

[chrome knot]

explodes your lungs

[bold geode]

Explodes pancakes with mind

[left bobcat]

You’re out of pp tho so- NO

[rustic mountain]

[astral kelp]

LOL it's so funny

[astral kelp]

That's my team lol

I posted it on the reddit to see if I actually get a thoughtful response

[astral kelp]

LOL

[astral kelp]

I tried this once
Solgsleo is so shit that even with the x2 boost it's still useless lmao

[astral kelp]

Reddit is the best example of the dunnen kruger effect

So far I wrote this like whole breakdown on my team and the only answer is "alolan raichu" 💀'

[cyan smelt]

You should post your team in the Smogon server

[rustic mountain]

0% chance

[astral kelp]

Oh I thought smogon was just singles

[astral kelp]

Hey I believe

[cyan smelt]

It is but they rate vgc teams, my joke was that it would be about as useful as vgc Reddit

[astral kelp]

Oh HAHA

Welp well I'll join it and see what happens lol

nvm lol

[cyan smelt]

Classic Smogon, lots of information on irrelevant crap but I can't find out where you can get the role to get permission to post a team there

[astral kelp]

yeah literally lol

i was reading throuhg it and couldnt find anthgin about it

ill ask on server help

whats another place i can get my team rated

[cyan smelt]

Hmmm no idea

All the free big places have bad advice

[astral kelp]

This discord is the best so far it seems lol

[cyan smelt]

Until recently vgc wasn't big so I can sorta see why there's not many resources for it

[astral kelp]

Yeah true

Tbh I think just showdown and munch stats are like more than enough

Other than that all it gets like really difficult

[cyan smelt]

I still find team building really difficult and it feels like my team building isn't getting better the more I do it

My solgaleo team flopped

[astral kelp]

Yeah I get that

The teambuilding bell curve

[plain drum]

Finally, unrated teams

[astral kelp]

First you're like

Confused as fuck because it's so overwhelming

Then as you get more comfortable you're filled with ideas and you make so much stuff

Then you just kinda get in a rut where nothing is working

And hopefully it trends up again lmao

[cyan smelt]

I just feel like I'm out of ideas

[astral kelp]

Maybe just pick a Mon you like and try build around it even if you know it's gonna be bad
I did that when I ran out and I got this wheezing team I love

Idk if its good tho lol but it feels good

[shadow wind]

For PASRS and Bo3 do I just put in each individual game?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

Also I just settled on lunala Groudon but I'm not sure about the supporting mons because reg I is basically 2 restricted + supports

[astral kelp]

Oh yeah haha

I've been playing a bit of sandy shocks with Groudon that's felt amazing

[cyan smelt]

Moon can stay bolt can stay just not sure about hearthflame and indeedee

[astral kelp]

I'm gonna state the obvious but fluttermane?

[shadow wind]

Groudon
Lunala
Raging Bolt
Ogerpon

Those 4 are an incredible core

[cyan smelt]

Hearthflame though?

[shadow wind]

Yes

[cyan smelt]

Then moon can stay and I'm just not sure about the 6th slot

[shadow wind]

I ran those 5 + Chi yu for a bit

[cyan smelt]

I do like tailroom maybe the team is ok

[shadow wind]

It didn't feel bad

[cyan smelt]

I have to admit I do like follow me + tr combo + heal pulse to restore shadow shield

[astral kelp]

Is this bulky lunala?

[cyan smelt]

Idk about EVs but I think I'm gonna get rid of meteor beam and power herb for lefties and wide guard

[shadow wind]

Dang this guy is no joke

I'm adamant 252

[cyan smelt]

Bulky boi

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Although it was in the sun

252+ Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Protosynthesis Brute Bonnet: 126-150 (57.7 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[cyan smelt]

Oh def boost

[shadow wind]

Yeah alr

[cyan smelt]

Maybe I should use brute bonnet

[shadow wind]

He's cool

New PASRS update is dope

[cyan smelt]

He even gets body press lol

[shadow wind]

Ah heck nah

By the way with proto he hits harder than Chien Pao

[cyan smelt]

Sucker punch for calyrex

But I already have moon and too many ice weaknesses

Was considering using iron moth at one point but it doesn't get any good poison moves

[astral kelp]

That's fucking crazy whatb

[shadow wind]

I mean he has higher base attack

[astral kelp]

Omg I found a nz tournament hosting group

I need to find a reg G rental or make or team In 4 days

[shadow wind]

I have some rentals if you wanna use em

All Groudon

[astral kelp]

Sure I'm down to ball groudon

[shadow wind]

They’re fairly old so use with caution but you should be able to find them in #rental_teams and just search from: ConnerTEP

I really liked the last one I posted

Although I would chance crash for spinner on Pao so if you want me to do that I’d be more than happy to

Cause changing a rental when it’s already made is easy stuff

[astral kelp]

omg nice

rank 7 :0

[shadow wind]

Dang helping hand? What was I cooking

[astral kelp]

helping hand groudon is peak

[shadow wind]

And actually now that I think about it crash is better cause Rilla

[astral kelp]

^ yea that was my first thought

helping hand extreme speed seems like a play doe

[shadow wind]

Forgot Rilla was there

Yeah it was

[astral kelp]

i was looking and rillla wondering why it was not av for a hot min

[shadow wind]

Helping handed Tera fairy Dgleam a lot

That Entei is thick as balls with the AV

[astral kelp]

im assuming its a pretty bulky ev

sweet ill give it some plays on my switch when i get home

tyty]

[shadow wind]

I think it was? The paste is there if you want the spreads

Of course, Groudon propaganda will be spread

[astral kelp]

wait mb i missed the paste

lol are they all named after jjk

[shadow wind]

Yup

Wait let me find something

https://youtu.be/3ueSwsfa28Y?si=w0Pq2_fX3cLlsp02

[astral kelp]

making a new account for this ofc

[shadow wind]

Goat

[astral kelp]

i love how it says precipice blades groudon as if groudon ever ran anything out

[shadow wind]

No way that Groudon is running Pblades

[astral kelp]

NOOO THE NAME IS REGISTRED

[shadow wind]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[astral kelp]

my shock and horror

[shadow wind]

That’s me when Groudon runs Pblades

[astral kelp]

what if i comit to the jjk

[shadow wind]

You could

[astral kelp]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025regg-2348055911

[shadow wind]

I make alts daily so making Groudon names is like second nature to me

[astral kelp]

alright i assume i dont bring entei here

prolly uhhh

[shadow wind]

You could lead Pao and Entei

[astral kelp]

groudon chien pao rillaboom fluttermane

[shadow wind]

Is pretty safe all things considered

[astral kelp]

oh yeah entei has other moves than just extreme speed lol

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

[astral kelp]

im guessing he migh switch to fari here

or fake out entei actually

[shadow wind]

Can’t, inner focus

[astral kelp]

oh true forgot

[shadow wind]

Could go for the sacred fire burn on it

They could fake out Pao too

[astral kelp]

TOO EASY

[shadow wind]

Your aura was too much

[astral kelp]

oh hell no

[cyan smelt]

Why did he forfeit

[astral kelp]

im not even playing this one

[shadow wind]

Why not?

[astral kelp]

cbf

wanna play a real team

[shadow wind]

Believe in the Pao Entei 🙏🙏

Ice spinner might lowkey be better still

[astral kelp]

man reg g is so much nicer than reg I

[shadow wind]

Trying to think

Ice spinner away the terrains is great even if you have Rilla

[astral kelp]

wait chien pao one shots indeedee

[shadow wind]

Adamant OHKOs 252 252 bold

The only reason I run adamant

[astral kelp]

im not gonna share live time because i get too nervous 💀

[cyan smelt]

It's always a mind game with the calyrex if they nasty plot

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2348056905-7dm1plafudqh3cqr327js7h8ye9ly6ppw

chien pao an actual unit tho

wtf is this

[cyan smelt]

Mono fighting team

[shadow wind]

Good to know the team holds up

Although spatk booster is crazy work

[astral kelp]

so far havent lost

cuz im facing shit like this

[shadow wind]

Kanto gang

[cyan smelt]

Dodrio wut

[shadow wind]

Dodrio to beat all CSR 🙏

[astral kelp]

people doing challenges

:sk

[shadow wind]

Aura

[cyan smelt]

I need to hop back on bo3 ladder

[astral kelp]

thats kinda rough

[cyan smelt]

Watch out for the triple fake out + fake out last resort ambipom

[shadow wind]

Looks like CHIEN PAO ENTEI FODDER

RAHHHH

[astral kelp]

wait not rb

[cyan smelt]

Extreme speed everything

[shadow wind]

Definitely Rillaboom too

I just love Entei

[astral kelp]

ICICLE CRASH FLINCH

[shadow wind]

No annoying intimidate or fake out

[cyan smelt]

Entei is probably the best inner focus mon

[shadow wind]

He’s really good for it yeah

[astral kelp]

its better than dragonite for sure

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2348059623

[shadow wind]

All the other inner focus guys usually get defiant

[cyan smelt]

Because he has sacred fire too

[astral kelp]

that was pretty easy

[shadow wind]

I remember running Paonite and OHKO’ing Kyogres

What a time

[astral kelp]

now this is DEFINITEVLY paotei victim team

do i even bring groudon here

groudon feels so shit here

[shadow wind]

Good ol Tang team

[cyan smelt]

Amogus

[shadow wind]

Groudon is good sometimes into it

[astral kelp]

can entei chien pao kill caly here

[shadow wind]

It’s a hard call, that team is great against Groudon but terrible into Kyogre

[shadow wind]

I think you just kill Moon with crash and go for the burn

[astral kelp]

fuck my wifi died and i couldnt play

[shadow wind]

Sacred fire probably does a good 40% after Tera

[astral kelp]

its so joever lmao

it auto selected suvker punch

[shadow wind]

That’s unfortunate

[cyan smelt]

This is why I like playing without timer

[shadow wind]

I always play with timer on

I got things to do, games to win !

[astral kelp]

i misght still win

[cyan smelt]

Unless they take ages to select a move then I put the timer on

[astral kelp]

it auto selected sacred fire

[shadow wind]

It auto selects the first move in slot

I think?

I’m pretty consistent with my sets so it’ll never auto select protect

Protect is at the bottom of the set

[astral kelp]

ooh smart

[shadow wind]

Nah I’m just a neat freak that needs my sets to look nice

I also always have moves like sucker punch or thunder clap first

And I like similar colours touching

[astral kelp]

lol psycho stuff

[shadow wind]

It’s just dumb stuff I do when team building

[astral kelp]

i just select it all randomly 💀

[shadow wind]

I also spam ladder so knowing where my moves are helps me for some reason

Trickroom and tailwind are always in the last slot

[astral kelp]

THIS GUY AGAIN

[shadow wind]

😭😭

Small ladder today huh

[cyan smelt]

Must be down to only 5 people on reg g ladder because end of format

[shadow wind]

Yeah real

What’s even top elo there?

[astral kelp]

HE DOUBLE SWORDS DANCED

[shadow wind]

That’s wild

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2348063111

lol like wtf

okay like how tf do i EVER bring groudon here

[shadow wind]

I mean he helps get rid of the rain I guess

Kill Torn force in Kyogre then no more rain

In theory anyway

[cyan smelt]

Whenever I see an espathra I get nervous about it

[astral kelp]

he hit the hypnosis with no gravity wtf man

[shadow wind]

That’s cooked

[astral kelp]

ahhhh i risked him not bringing tsarent for some reason im usch an inter

[shadow wind]

See I just predict that they will always switch Tsareena in turn 1

Works about 70% of the time

[astral kelp]

no way this rilla outspeeds ogre right

[shadow wind]

I don’t remember the evs but I don’t think he was fast

[astral kelp]

cooked 💀

omg thats crazy like fully your actual team

bros famous

him saying helping hand sounded so confused HAHA

[shadow wind]

Wasn’t even any credit in the video 😔😔

[astral kelp]

did he just yoink it from discord

[shadow wind]

VGCPastes most likely

Can’t know for sure though

[astral kelp]

EVERYONE IN THE COMENTS FUCKING HATES GROUDON OLOL

[shadow wind]

Oh I know it’s so funny

[astral kelp]

omg

id be mad

actually they are prolly like 13

[shadow wind]

I like the comment that said he could make a better team

With absolutely zero backing

[astral kelp]

AHAHAH

[shadow wind]

At least that got notice…

[astral kelp]

he didnt even send a groduon team

[shadow wind]

Nah they’re scared !

Cause they know it is Groudon that chooses the player

Not the other way around

[astral kelp]

kkkkk

thats cool tho having your team be shown

[shadow wind]

But yeah I thought the video was kinda funny, he doesn’t use the team amazingly but that’s ok

[astral kelp]

dickish of him for not giving credit

[shadow wind]

Eh whatever, it’s a team

Could’ve been worse and he just make his own rental

[astral kelp]

oh yeah that would suck

anyways ill bring that team to a nz tourney and lets see how it goes

[shadow wind]

That’d be cool

[astral kelp]

i need to play it a lot tho lol

what are some things i gotta be scared off?

[shadow wind]

I’d play Bo3 if I were you, more practice in an OTS format

[astral kelp]

yeah i will

[shadow wind]

Yknow I’m not really too sure, you have good MUs into pretty much everything

On paper the MUs are good anyway

[astral kelp]

what do you bring into tr?

[shadow wind]

Prio spam

[astral kelp]

im assuming like entei pao rilla

[shadow wind]

Yeah then usually Groudon

Wait out TR then boom

Sacred fire is such a great tool

[astral kelp]

yeah its kind of amazing

[shadow wind]

Probably the best fire move

[astral kelp]

definitevly

50% burn chance is no joke

altough

[shadow wind]

I also like the synergy with Tera normal and espeed

[astral kelp]

eruption exists

[shadow wind]

When you tera normal then astral barrage can’t hit

[astral kelp]

ye and crunch

[shadow wind]

Eruption does exist but can it burn?

[astral kelp]

nah but it does one billion trillion damage to both opps lol

[shadow wind]

Yknow that might be true

But then you got a weaker espeed

[astral kelp]

wait are you talking about eruption entei kkkk

[shadow wind]

Yeah just the pros and cons of it

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 244: Entei

Type

Fire

Abilities

Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

115/115/85/90/75/100

Total

580

Sableye version 4.28.2

[astral kelp]

oh yeah his special stat is actually not bad

[shadow wind]

He’s kinda slow though

[astral kelp]

shit

[shadow wind]

Unfortunate

[astral kelp]

So I guess I'm gonna build my terapagos team

People there are pretty cool they offered to help me do everything

One dudes gonna terá them another dude bred some mons for me and this other dude is letting me borrow his rapagos lol

[real prairie]

@astral kelp you competing?

[azure ether]

anyone been using the OTS extension for showdown?

[astral kelp]

Ye I found a server that does new Zealand tourney

New Zealand vgc discord my friend helps run it

[real prairie]

My guy! GLHF

[astral kelp]

I'm gonna try bring that rapagos comfey team muahahah

[real prairie]

Haha nice stuff

[next stump]

hell yeah that’s awesome

[astral kelp]

Btw Jack I was having a discussion with some people on that server
They were telling me I should sub chiyu with torn but I think it should be with fari

Wyt? Trick toom or tailwind

Oh and terapagos gets like 112 speed evs

[real prairie]

Your team benefits more from TR than tailwind

You won't outspeed fast mons even with TW

[astral kelp]

Yeah that's what I said

He said that rapagos can outspeed csr with 115 I think

But idk I just don't think it matters

[real prairie]

Also means you don't have to worry about investment in Turtles speed

[astral kelp]

Ye okay glad we agree lol

That means I prolly need to find my own turtle

Or have suboptimal evs

[real prairie]

Almost all CSR run speed control though

They want to stay the fastest

[astral kelp]

EXACTLY

Okay I'm glad I'm not crazy lmao

[real prairie]

Also you don't need to outspeed it, it can't hit turtle without giving up it's spread

[astral kelp]

Really cool dude tho

[astral kelp]

It's spread?

[real prairie]

Spread attack

[astral kelp]

Oh yea true

https://pokepast.es/32b9e6654ad39703
so yeah thinking of bringing this

but fuck how do i find terapagos without speedruning all of pokemon dlc

[charred saddle]

thats the good part

u dont

[real prairie]

You can borrow my turtle if you need, I won't be playing for awhile

[astral kelp]

Yes pls haha

Do you mind if I ev it?

[real prairie]

Go nuts

[solid frigate]

wait wuh0

[real prairie]

Just saw crown won a regional

[solid frigate]

i know that

By Korai right?

[real prairie]

Idk haha just seen the team. Either way crown proving doubters wrong

[astral kelp]

hell yeah

ive been seeing a lot of necrozma dusk

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2347922879

i won against it while being afk LOL

name is just a lie tho

[left bobcat]

OK SCHYEAH

[astral kelp]

btw why tf is it structured like this

[astral kelp]

queueing for bo3 reg g

💀

[astral kelp]

i somehow just realize rage powder doesnt work on amoongus

[foggy lodge]

how

[languid ocean]

its a powder move

[solid frigate]

no like how did you only know this just now kinda how

[languid ocean]

happens sometimes

[astral kelp]

its just because i like never use amoongus lol

like i know this brainwise

but intuitively when i was teambuilding i was like
amoongus is grass type and has redirection :0

[exotic grotto]

Does follow me work on ghost types?

[astral kelp]

ye

[exotic grotto]

Thanks!

[astral kelp]

:D

[real prairie]

@mighty stump

[mighty stump]

YUou have no idea how excited i am

[real prairie]

I have an idea which is why I shared it 🤣

[left bobcat]

SCHYEEEEEEEAH

[bold geode]

https://youtu.be/vu-cepRSxCk?si=IoTm9qBwPKgQt9pL
@chrome knot AYO JOHNSTONE ON A PODCAST

[bold geode]

That's actually kinda cool

[mint void]

Alrrady saw that. Thats so crazy

[mint void]

A lot of normal type status moves work on Ghost mons

[tough mural]

I have a question which team would win in a singles or doubles battle with items and battle ready stats and ev. Articuno, Lugia, Entei, Kyogre, Salamence or Basculegion,Rayquaza,Iron hands,Arctozolt,Necrozma Dusk mane ( not counting the difference in pokemon )

[solid frigate]

why is entei in a Rain Team and Arctozolt is not in SV

[tough mural]

My uncle send me a picture with pokemon based on our names and he picked the pokemon in team 1 and i in team 2 but he said that his team would beat my team which i think i can beat him cause of my effective moves of my pokemon

[solid frigate]

there is a lot of problems with the descision

Besides Salamence none of them really synergise well with Kyogre

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/1914212508023554371

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad) on X

These are the top 16 teams from the 2025 Malaysia Master Ball League! 🇲🇾🏆

🇲🇾 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
🗓️ 19–20 April 2025
🎮 VGC Regulation Set G
📄 6 Swiss + Top 16 with T16 L round
👥 48 players
🏆 Won by 🇲🇾 Lee Jin Yang (@husky_vgc)

📖 All info: https://t.co/qbCYTGC37j

X · Apr 21, 2025, 7:00 AM

Yellow Tatsugiri huh

[mint void]

the Ray team probably has the better match up here

but you cant just predetermin a winner

[spiral ridge]

Same amount of incin as torkoal
That’s surprising

[solid frigate]

Lunala again huh

Also good lord that lunala team won cuz 2nd team is cring

[tough mural]

Yeah that's what i thought too

[full rune]

Would normal Spectrier be good in the meantime or does it need Calyrex to be viable, because I caught it yesterday so I'm just curious

I also have lunala fuzed with necrozma but idk if I should unfuse them or not

[mint void]

nah it needs caly

it doesnt have the signature move nor the crazy stats without

[full rune]

Damn, what about Lunala/Dawn Wings tho

Lunala is one of my favorite legendaries apart from the Sapphire/Ruby ones

[solid frigate]

spectrier would be fine on its own but not on this format yeah

[solid frigate]

Lunala works

[full rune]

Yayy

[lavish crater]

Is there a way to dodge matches when they have all hacked mons? Last guy I fought had 252 EVs in all stats on all mons. Dude still lost bc he dumb af, but it gets a bit ridiculous when every mon is named pokeforge.com or monforge.fun

[bold geode]

That is actually not possible

[spiral ridge]

If you’re on cart that isn’t possible

Do you mean 6 IV??

[lavish crater]

Nah dude was outspeeding full speed EV revavroom and cyclizar with venusaur.

[bold geode]

It's not possible to dodge matches and it's also not possible for them to have max investment in every single stat

[bold geode]

Was Sun up?

[next stump]

venusaur with sun up will outspeed those pokemon

[spiral ridge]

That’s called clorophyll

[next stump]

you cannot hack in online pokemon battles

[lavish crater]

Snow

[next stump]

could be choice scarf or any number of things

[bold geode]

Probably a Scarf then or some shit
Or are you sure your mons are EV'd properly

[harsh depot]

Not to mention nature of your pokemon

[lavish crater]

Yes

[spiral ridge]

Definitely not hacked and idk how 252 in all stats would mean he out speeds 😭

[bold geode]

Probably a Scarf or something else then

[spiral ridge]

Not hacked to be 252 in all stats*

[bold geode]

But point is they couldn't be 252 in every stat

[lavish crater]

Can't be scarf bc he used other moves.

[spiral ridge]

Was TR or tw up?

[next stump]

double check your pokemon are properly EV’d and natured also

[lavish crater]

No

[lavish crater]

They 100% are

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 3: Venusaur

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Overgrow, Chlorophyll (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/82/83/100/100/80

Total

525

Other Formes

Venusaur-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.2

[lavish crater]

Either 252/252 or 252/126/126

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 966: Revavroom

Types

Steel/Poison

Abilities

Overcoat, Filter (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/119/90/54/67/90

Total

500

Sableye version 4.28.2

[spiral ridge]

Only 10 speed points higher there’s defo ways to beat that

[next stump]

well if you’re not max speed and they are, they’ll move first

[bold geode]

1. 126 is inefficient
2. The fact you don't know exactly what you trained your stuff to be is a bit concerning there

[harsh depot]

A max speed timid Venusaur will beat a Cyclizar with little to no speed investment with a neutral nature

[lavish crater]

Yeah I'm sure monforge.fun the fourth guy named that in his line up was not hacked nor bought.

[bold geode]

Also how do you know they were max in every stat when you only know about the speed?

[lavish crater]

Now you just talking out your ass.

[spiral ridge]

What

[bold geode]

The first part
No

[lavish crater]

Cyclizar is attack/speed EV trained

[spiral ridge]

Is it timid?

[bold geode]

Even if you're level 100, 126 is not a multiple of 4 so that's wasting EVs
And if you're level 50 that's even more waste

[next stump]

can you screenshot or take a picture with your phone of its stats

[harsh depot]

1. Way rude for no reason.
2. Check your IVs, Nature, EVs, etc.

[lavish crater]

Whichever is -special attack and +speed.

[bold geode]

Sit back, it's all good

[lavish crater]

Rude for a very good reason. And I've more than quadruple checked gtfo

[bold geode]

So Jolly

[full rune]

What scroll should I use on Kubfu

[bold geode]

Depends on what you want for your team
The Water one is a little more common though but depending on a team you have, the Dark one is also an option

[full rune]

I'm gonna end up with two of them anyways since I'm buying Sword and the Isle of armor DLC in the summer so ig I'll go with water

[harsh depot]

Water is what I prefer, but entirely up to you 🙂

[spiral ridge]

Water is more consistently used in formats

At least what I know of SV it has been

[river magnet]

I am here to tell you all to use Growlithe. He will take you to worlds fr fr

[bold geode]

Damn she kinda on to somethin

[river magnet]

[shell turtle]

🧐

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/good-soup-good-soup-meme-meme-adam-driver-gif-22924425

[charred saddle]

Terrence was good

he brought me up to 7th

[shell turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/bricks-gif-6525378798534810671

[solid frigate]

why there is 6 Union Circle VCs-

no 7-

[spiral ridge]

Teehee

[left bobcat]

No

[amber patrol]

My friend needs help with making a VGC team and he thinks asking for help here will get him bullied can you guys promise him you won't be mean 💔

[foggy lodge]

okay

share the team

[solid frigate]

i almost thought is Luna who asking-

[amber patrol]

This is what he has so far..

[foggy lodge]

Huh

[solid frigate]

double dogs feels iffy imo

[foggy lodge]

How serious is the team?

[amber patrol]

I don't know how to explain to him that steel beam on zacian is a bit

[foggy lodge]

Like is it just for fun or want to play tournaments and those things

[amber patrol]

He wants to use pokemon that he likes just to play on showdown, so not very serious

[foggy lodge]

Ehhh

So the best we can do is

1. Be realistic that the team is probably not gonna get them too far
2. Fix the sets

[solid frigate]

i think a slight optimization can make his ladder experience slightly better

[amber patrol]

I don't think he cares about rankings

He just wants to battle me mostly

[solid frigate]

i mean you can fix the sets but i'm worried on him

Steel beam on Zacian when Behemoth blade is right there-

[amber patrol]

He doesn't understand the difference between physical and special moves...

[foggy lodge]

:carsweat:

[solid frigate]

damn thats rough

mind if i take the team and help him rework a bit?

[amber patrol]

Yeah

I'll send it to him and ask him what he thinks

Ty

[solid frigate]

i'll send it to your dms when i am done

[amber patrol]

[solid frigate]

done

[left bobcat]

Hmmm

For some reason I like it

Anyways I’m hungry

[chrome knot]

naic reg tn

[solid frigate]

you joining?

[chrome knot]

mhmm

[lofty tartan]

I think one of the bigger problems with that Zacian set is adding SpAtk investment into a nature which reduces Special Attack by 10%

[shadow wind]

I just played against Koraidon CIR and I have to wonder how these teams do against other Restricteds

Like I know my MUs are all messed up cause Groudon but teams like those just smoke me

But CSR has a heyday with it

[solid frigate]

don't worry,fixed the team for them

and tell them to learn how to build mons in a more sensible way

[wild depot]

yo

@bold geode

[solid frigate]

oh god the owner pinged the monke

[wild depot]

help me ping him

@bold geode

[bold geode]

Yes señor

[wild depot]

nice colour

[bold geode]

I like this color too

@mighty stump

[wild depot]

:>

ok i should probably show you around the new channels

[solid frigate]

LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/technoblade-gif-19759013

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/all-might-my-hero-academia-next-its-your-turn-gif-20408161

[solid frigate]

bro got promotion

[stark kindle]

[solid frigate]

the Monkemotion

[bold geode]

Yeah this is secretly the day of Reckoning chat /j

[lofty tartan]

It was just a shocker. Shoot me a dm of the paste, too. I wanna take a gander.

If you can't dm me just let me know 👍

[solid frigate]

i'll try,its still mid but just slight optimisation

[solid frigate]

also send the friend request cuz yeah

can't send the message

[spiral ridge]

no fucking shot

get down from there

[lofty tartan]

Accepted

[bold geode]

Ok
Swanton bombs

Anyways
How we doin chat

[lofty tartan]

Been seeing a lot of Steel Beam Zacians coming from reddit and it's starting to scare me.

[spiral ridge]

yeah get outta here with that orange

[dull haven]

Congrats Monke

[bold geode]

Gracias

[dull haven]

[river magnet]

Now you have power you will be enforcing a Terry on every team, right?

[solid frigate]

[bold geode]

Depends
What is a Terry

[river magnet]

[shadow wind]

Grats Monke

[bold geode]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[bold geode]

Thx

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1745365950:R>.

[charred saddle]

terry - arcanine
terrence - H arcanine

uhh congrats on ur long awaited comp helper

[river magnet]

You have Terry, beeg Terry, Terrence and beeg Terrence

[lofty tartan]

Like a dog?

[charred saddle]

just dont nuke this channel

[river magnet]

You have the same name as my cat

[solid frigate]

huh-

[river magnet]

Morris

[lofty tartan]

Team looks good. Ship it.

[solid frigate]

oh

[solid frigate]

onwards to shipping

https://tenor.com/view/herta-the-herta-honkai-star-rail-herta-honkai-star-rail-hsr-herta-gif-13360702876106557417

[lofty tartan]

Double Dog is an idea, but I think it would be better suited alongside Chien-Pao and you'll have to work to cover a lot of weakness

[solid frigate]

yeah and it limits like

A lot of Teambuilding Ideas due to that reason alone

[lofty tartan]

Oh definitely. Gets you all gunked up in teambuilding for days.

[opal inlet]

orang

[lofty tartan]

Those teams are just too tough to get off the ground sometimes.

My problem is I have a good idea and try to cover as much as possible so I stay in teambuilding for days anyway

It sucks.

[solid frigate]

thats me with Miraidon Kyogre

[lofty tartan]

I'm still not entirely sold on that.

[solid frigate]

yeah i get you

+Teambuilding issue is just a lot to cover

[lofty tartan]

It's a lot to cover.

[solid frigate]

yeah

i'm taking a break from this team since i got 60% GXE on 1400 elo

[lofty tartan]

Nice.

[solid frigate]

it can be optimised (Fari if you dare show up again i'm losing it)

But yeah,i'll let the better players do that and post my version in here and twitter

[lofty tartan]

Ugh I have to work an overnight shift and then immediately go into a job interview in the morning

[solid frigate]

good luck

[lofty tartan]

I really dig Tsareena on Kyogre teams because I'm a pleb.

[bold geode]

Orang

[lofty tartan]

Need more Armor Tail mons.

[bold geode]

Wait

That's a MUTHAFUCKIN CLOVIS

[solid frigate]

i actually think about it during my anti prio slot dilemma

I ended up tried P2 cuz like

god the duck is funni+Sedimental value on a team in Reg H

but opening up any changes to my team after posting from anyone

[lofty tartan]

I like Porygon. I fear he's struggling in Reg I though.

[solid frigate]

i think this is the last team i did with p2
https://pokepast.es/5e4814102796971c

in reg H

[lofty tartan]

Reg H, my beloved.

[solid frigate]

Chomp+Sylveon could have Potential but curse Sneasler-

but eh thats the only thing i like about Reg H cuz i can try that team

[opal inlet]

AND THATS A MUTHAFUCKIN MONKE

[summer shore]

Monke

[opal inlet]

congrats on orang

[solid frigate]

@calm gulch

[lofty tartan]

I liked Reg H because it was a pretty diverse format. Sneasler was a present fixture but not unbeatable by any stretch of the mind.

Built like wet tissues

[solid frigate]

eh fair

i think its fine for small doses,but sadly don't feel comfortable with my Favourite Comp mon (Archaludon)

[lofty tartan]

Archaludon was totally a big deal in Reg H.

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/drayton-drayton-pokemon-indigo-disk-adonciant-gif-16159963879859622212

[lofty tartan]

Yeah we like the bridge here.

[solid frigate]

yeah i like my bridge/Stapler

[shadow wind]

Bridge gaming

[lofty tartan]

He's more like a staple remover.

The little claw thing

[solid frigate]

i think Archaludon is the reason why i joined VGC in reg F

[shadow wind]

Why am I struggling to find a good Groudon MU

[bold geode]

WHAT'S GOOD BRO

[solid frigate]

i'm still suprised why not you rework Rinya sun-

[lofty tartan]

I love Groudon but I'm worried he's getting outpaced in Reg I already.

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep

[bold geode]

@summer shore it's time
Let's nuke comp chat

[shadow wind]

Cause I'm a big originality kinda guy

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[solid frigate]

originality does not exists

Learn from @bold geode

[shadow wind]

Maybe for you

😎

[charred saddle]

monke have u actually told tofu

[next stump]

anyone else going?

[bold geode]

Originality is a hoax

[charred saddle]

like becoming a comp helper

[solid frigate]

i mean its only just Groudon+Zacian

Grimmsnarl is the only one stays in

[bold geode]

I pinged him 5 times

[lofty tartan]

Had to dig for this

[solid frigate]

i still love this so much

i think its an emoji in my server

[chrome knot]

yay

[lofty tartan]

I had to file this away in a backup because I recently reinstalled windows

[solid frigate]

good luck

[chrome knot]

omg yay even cooler news, congrats!!!! @bold geode

[shadow wind]

Bro people have been saying Groudon sucks this entire generation

[lofty tartan]

Good luck.

[shadow wind]

And I'm still playin him

[bold geode]

Anyways I will be honest
If you wanna try to be original, go ahead be my guest
I just don't recommend it unless you ABSOLUTELY know what you're doing and you are able to keep your expectations reasonable to the bar you will have to see in order to do so

[lofty tartan]

I admire your conviction.

[bold geode]

THX EMMA

[gentle crag]

dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[atomic mural]

wish i could

[solid frigate]

same but no money+Overseas

[shadow wind]

Dedication ‼️

[charred saddle]

ooo gl gl emma

and dillon assuming u also joined NAIC

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I'd love to hit NAIC but I still gotta sideline myself because financials aren't fully locked in. VGC is fun and enriching but also very expensive 😐

[charred saddle]

and anyone else ig

[solid frigate]

why did you remind me of Anakin talking to Ahsoka about Conviction-

[opal inlet]

IM IN RHODE ISLAND

WBU

[bold geode]

HOLY SHIT
WE VIBIN

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-hayden-christensen-star-wars-gif-25996118

[solid frigate]

time for monke to revolutionise comp chat

[summer shore]

No bad monk

[bold geode]

I still think Koraidon makes Groudon have to apply for fast food work but I will say if there's a time for him, it's now

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-ahsoka-2023-ahsoka-episode-5-gif-14738813304556006917

[shadow wind]

Oh probably

[lofty tartan]

Just gotta find who pairs better with Groudon. I think Koraidon takes an edge because he's a little more flexible and immediately threatening.

[opal inlet]

wait chat imagine a mirai korai hybird team

[solid frigate]

me when i love Both Bikes

[bold geode]

OH C'MON
You know you want this
Give in to your desires

[lofty tartan]

I've seen it. I'm not 100% though

[solid frigate]

its actually like

Niche idea that works lmao

[shadow wind]

I think he pairs better with Lunala just for more TR stuff

[solid frigate]

just use Rinya sun core and i am done

[summer shore]

Niche idea that works and its just 2 nukes

[opal inlet]

i forgot reg i is upon us

[lofty tartan]

I can dig it. Lunala adds enough support

[summer shore]

😭

[bold geode]

I think it's probably still Lunala
Although I have heard of a funny comp of Groudon Miraidon
You can actually like
Disquake with your restricted almost LOL

[opal inlet]

specs and band on each

[charred saddle]

mirai korai bundle flutter Hlilligant Alolan raichu

[opal inlet]

kablooey

[charred saddle]

u get to use the sun and Eterrain

[lofty tartan]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah disquake is a thing but wide guard is so everywhere

[solid frigate]

isn't like the team that won second in 2022 Worlds is a Lunala Version of Rinya sun?

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1745367170:R>.

[shadow wind]

I just gotta find the best partners

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-drumming-pokemon-leon-gif-27454385

[lofty tartan]

And that

Rillaboom makes EQ strats really tough

[opal inlet]

there is no comeback for me

[solid frigate]

i love Disquake i bring it in BB Academy playthrough but Rilla is gonna be annoying for that

[opal inlet]

my glorious kingsire cannot stand for this

[lofty tartan]

Rillaboom - the real menace

[bold geode]

True honestly

[opal inlet]

choice band eq does NOTHING to rilla

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

[solid frigate]

i tried Chomp and Vikavolt on Disquake cuz its funny in bb academy

[bold geode]

This is honestly one reason why I'm looking at Mirai Ogre with a keen eye

[shadow wind]

Well yeah, 50 BP resisted

[solid frigate]

did i hear my beloved

[lofty tartan]

I feel like Mirai/Ogre really doesn't wanna see Rilla

[bold geode]

Rillaboom is also another non restricted that gets better
A lot more terrain heavy now

[bold geode]

That's probably why Torn is a necessity more so tbh

[solid frigate]

torn feels like almost a must for that team

from my testing

[bold geode]

I haven't tried it yet
I really need to try more comps out

[solid frigate]

you can just use my team and swap hand's EV and P2 into Fari-

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Torn helps but unfortunately he can get pushed around pretty hard by Pao.

I do still love bulky tera steel Torn

[bold geode]

Not a bad idea there

Though I think most go Dark there to help out with CSR

[solid frigate]

thats what i run and its pretty cool

[opal inlet]

so i should have firepon on kingsire eq spam

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's tough because Torn is so absolutely threatened by Chien-Pao and his coverage will only let you live like a turn or two, at best.

Even with Dark

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/065fceacb714ecca

The comp is right there

Just ignore P2

[lofty tartan]

Ignore the P2, he says

[bold geode]

Like honestly I think in terms of cores in the long run rn
Except for Zac Ogre not making Day 2, I would recommend to check out the results for the last VR tour that just happened
I feel it was pretty accurate

[solid frigate]

cuz i know people are gonna complain about it but eh

[lofty tartan]

Yeah like ZacOgre really strong but people are gonna prep for it because it's really strong. CSR complex from early Reg G

[bold geode]

Even Mirai CIR is starting to change a lil bit in a good way imo

[atomic mural]

thats a weird looking giraffe on that 6th slot

[bold geode]

People are trying Mirai CIR Valiant which is pretty neat

[lofty tartan]

If Valiant can put up some results I'll believe the hype.

[bold geode]

Yeah but also Zam CSR will be the main front runner of prep
It won this last one and had a pretty dominant team in top 16 and iirc it also won the first Reg I VR tour

Valiant has merits
Wide Guard
Great CIR partner
Even can take advantage of terrain

[lofty tartan]

Oh for sure CSR/Zam is gonna be the frontrunner. People are just gonna make sure they have an out to ZacOgre as well.

Otherwise you'd probably just get plowed by Spout

[solid frigate]

i just don't like Fari too much

[bold geode]

They will

[atomic mural]

thats fair

[solid frigate]

or just Tornshifu and ya know what happens next

[bold geode]

Honestly this is a regional I can't tell you results for
There's honestly more going on than I expected there to be this early on

[lofty tartan]

Like imagine going to a Regional and being like "nah Kyogre isn't real" and just lose to every Water Spout

[solid frigate]

who is gonna like doubt Kyogre anyway-

[bold geode]

Just sign the slips at that point tbh

[solid frigate]

its just that good

[lofty tartan]

I'm just saying things lol

[solid frigate]

like if Ho-Oh got used

No way Kyogre is not getting usage

[lofty tartan]

Man. I believe in Ho-Oh right now.

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/57f8924e46986275 idk what im cooking here

[lofty tartan]

Like 100% believe in that bird.

[atomic mural]

real

[lofty tartan]

Ho-Oh gonna be a good thing in Reg I.

[solid frigate]

i want to try AV Mirai+Ho-Oh but i think its gonna drain my mental health

[bold geode]

Ho Oh is interesting as hell
Like honestly it's probably one of the mons I really am looking out for in terms of how it does in Milwaukee

[lofty tartan]

I love Korai/Ho-Oh teams. Super strong.

Sacred Fire is cracked.

[atomic mural]

imagine hooh, the pokemon that has revived pokemon before, had revival blessing. insane, i know

[solid frigate]

its a huge thing against Calyrex Ice Rider and Shadow rider as well

[solid frigate]

i mean will he use it in practice tho-

[lofty tartan]

It's the Regenerator and massive bulk that really sets the stage for Ho-Oh

[shadow wind]

Sounds like...

My worst MU 😔

[atomic mural]

hmm

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 250: Ho-Oh

Types

Fire/Flying

Abilities

Pressure, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/130/90/110/154/90

Total

680

Sableye version 4.28.2

[bold geode]

Idt Ho Oh would run Revival Blessing anyways
Better moves for it and honestly

[solid frigate]

yeah like 106 90 154 is actually very solid

[solid frigate]

even life dew is better lmao

[lofty tartan]

It's incredibly good. I saw Coaching next to Ho-Oh in a replay too and that's whacky.

[opal inlet]

154?!?

[chrome knot]

@lofty tartan i found out the best way to move forward is just play csr zam until i cry

[shadow wind]

Just don't let him tank a Tera fire ivy in the sun

[bold geode]

Wolfe in his Baltimore video made a pretty good point where honestly
Revival Blessing is a bit of a better move when you're ahead vs when you're behind

[chrome knot]

bc eventually i got it down

[lofty tartan]

I feel your pain.

[bold geode]

🤝

[chrome knot]

now i feel at peace

[lofty tartan]

Yeah 154 SpD is just nuts