competitive_discussion

[bold geode]

Well now we just get ready for finals

[mighty stump]

If i get drafted to play

[turbid vale]

can anyone help me build a perish trap team

[still river]

zacian isnt overpowered anymore

[still river]

use wolfe's EUIC team

[turbid vale]

no i want an orginal tea.

[mighty stump]

Hot take but only really good players get to have original teams

[still river]

youre likely going to end up with a team very similar to wolfe's team in the end

[mighty stump]

If you dont have the foundation, you can't make one

[still river]

i agree

[swift sleet]

agreed

[still river]

im not sure "get to" is the right word, but original teams probably arent gonna be great

[swift sleet]

i always inspo wolfes teams

[mighty stump]

Sure, but it won't be a good team, it won't be an easy team to play, and thats not saying it as a challenge, more like an unnecessary handicap

You'll fail to appreciate the game as a whole

[still river]

its usually better to just test pre-existing teams out and see whats right for you

and then when you get something you like using you can make some changes to even better fit your style

[mighty stump]

Plus, there is no more "original teams". Originality is overrated. Make a good team that draws inspiration from well-established concepts and that's your "original team"

[turbid vale]

no so my meaning is like i wanna take inspo from a team and make some tweaks sorry if u dont understand my english isnt that fluent

[still river]

start with wolfe's EUIC team, its definitely the most viable perish trap is going to be for reg G, and then make some changes to it

[cyan smelt]

Perish trap is gonna be hard to get to work in double restricted

[still river]

perish trap seems to be very hard to play nowadays (thank goodness for that, i hate perish trap) so youll probably just want to use something that exists already

[cyan smelt]

Caly s has a field day with scream tail and gothitelle

[still river]

thats why koraidon and zamazenta are probably the best pairing for perish trap

zamazenta is just so good for semi support its insane

so happy he was able to recover from being so terrible in gen 8

[turbid vale]

i mean you could use politoed

also primarina

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon, hands and rilla have a field day with those

[turbid vale]

tbh i dont rlly see miraidon and rilla nowadays

in showdown not stadium

[cyan smelt]

Uh they're everywhere

[lost sun]

I thought Regigigas was a restricted

[astral kelp]

lol wtf is weezing munchstats set

aint no way

[lost sun]

never seen anyone use spikes

[astral kelp]

idk about the rocky helmet

i love when showdown dudes are just chill

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2336459276

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2336461310

nah why does this feel good

maybe sash csr is bad

what the fuck

[cyan smelt]

This is why I don't play bo1

[astral kelp]

and this is why i do

like im not even mad

if he got that dodge he deserved it

[cyan smelt]

Powerful spread moves beat smeargle muk

[astral kelp]

i just played against scarf koraidon

[astral kelp]

i actually had a pretty good matchup but i forgot sacred sword ignores stat changes

i fucked up

[cyan smelt]

Muk can't touch zacian

[astral kelp]

yeah i fucked up because i didnt just bring out zacian and killed muk

i just kept gambling the taunt

then he just psych upd the csr

wheres that zacian lover guy

is he not in the server anymore rip

idk what to even run here

maybe tailwind and oger water?

ooh since its a weezing team i can run a tailwind setter that outspeeds whimsy so i can just taunt

fuck idk maybe this?

tera normal to win csr mirror match

[astral kelp]

swtching weezing then taunt feels incredible hahah

wait maybe rilla boom would be amazing here

weezing stops armor tail and psychic terrain

god hearthflame will shit on me

[wispy spade]

if a ditto uses the move transform while holding a choice item, can it select a new move on the next turn?

[wispy spade]

(gen 7 usum mechanics)

[charred saddle]

the time it goes into the battle itll automatically transforms into the opposite side mon

i think the only time it doesnt happen if it copies into another ditto?

even then i think you would still be able to choose the move

idk tho

[turbid vale]

is this team good https://pokepast.es/e17f5534f3f1977a

[wispy spade]

that's only for hidden ability ditto

[astral kelp]

you guys gonna hate me but

thoughts on helping hand arcanine

[wispy spade]

incineroar is a much better support

[astral kelp]

i noticed that weezing synergises extremely well with arcanine

you can intimidate whenever you want by just swithcing out, plus stopping armor tail and psychic terrain

[wispy spade]

but no fake out

[astral kelp]

yeah that does suck

i do want a fast fake out

maybe grimsnarl to deal with my special weakness?

i guess ill just run incin

OR

hitmontop my beloved

god i feel like weezing is SO GOOD but so hard to play

this guys delusional LMAO

[tiny karma]

Move: Electro Ball

The power of this move depends on (user's current Speed / target's current Speed), rounded down. Power is equal to 150 if the result is 4 or more, 120 if 3, 80 if 2, 60 if 1, 40 if less than 1. If the target's current Speed is 0, this move's power is 40.

Type

Electric

Category

Special

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Artillery

Does not affect Bulletproof Pokémon.

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

i ave to have 4 times their speed

is it better to run e-ball or t-bolt on killowattrel lol\

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2336516376 this team is this feeling pretty incredible

im considering tera fire on zacian to stop wisp thoughts?

tho i have yet to try the killowatrel lol

[charred saddle]

fire isnt a bad idea

just know ur trade offs

ground covers terablast covers more, unless ur doing sacred since i saw u use it

fire isnt bad but also know that ur still weak to ground

[astral kelp]

yeah weak to ground is still my biggest concern with tera fire

[charred saddle]

ground tera blast idea is that both ur STAB got resisted by fire, and steel

so ground helps with that

[astral kelp]

wisp is just so good against zacian

[charred saddle]

most physical

not only zac

[astral kelp]

t blast of sacred sword?

[charred saddle]

ur choice

[vocal plume]

I'm gonna try some weird legendary combos today

See which ones synergise

[charred saddle]

trade offs are, sacred doesnt care about setups

but also its not a STAB so idrc about that

[astral kelp]

seeing as i have no fighting coverage i guess sword?

good against muk

[charred saddle]

what

[astral kelp]

i guess HAHAH

good against incin

[charred saddle]

no?

[astral kelp]

no stab sucks tho

[charred saddle]

ur still at neutral and no STAB

so its 80 BP

[tiny karma]

Incineroar [Fire/Dark]

Immune

Psychic

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ice, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Flying, Normal, Poison, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Ground, Rock, Water

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

oh same with ground true

true hm

[charred saddle]

252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Sacred Sword vs. 244 HP / 196+ Def Incineroar: 94-112 (46.7 - 55.7%) -- 70.7% chance to 2HKO

its even not a 2HKO guaranteed

[astral kelp]

yeah no stab HURTS alright

might ass well just use CC

[charred saddle]

ur choice

i do see some people run sacred but idk

in swsh zac does run cc

[astral kelp]

alright ill try tera blast

steel fairy is already insane coverage anyways

[tiny karma]

Steel, Fairy

Hits for 0.5x

Fire, Steel

Hits for 1x

Bug, Electric, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Ice, Rock

Sableye version 4.28.1

- [Steel]

Immune

Poison

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dragon, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Electric, Ghost, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fighting, Fire, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

oh yeah that hits everything perfectly nice

[tiny karma]

Steel, Fairy, Ground

Hits for 1x

Bug, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Hits for 2x

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ice, Poison, Rock, Steel

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

im pretty new to zacian so idk lol

[charred saddle]

i mean also keep in mind most zac runs ground so people will be aware of that as well

• urshifu surging strike still hurts even pre tera

252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 108 HP / 4 Def Zacian-Crowned on a critical hit: 102-126 (56.3 - 69.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

in rain, tera water jolly shifu KOs zav

+1 play rough also doesnt kill shifu

so

yes shifu is going to be annoying

especially knowing that playrough can miss

[real prairie]

https://www.facebook.com/share/1L5yMfEibv/

[turbid vale]

guys us my team goodhttps://pokepast.es/e17f5534f3f1977a

[astral kelp]

fuck man

at least i can protec tthrough it

im shocked that play rough doesnt kill

+1 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 254-302 (144.3 - 171.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO no it does

its still a lot of damage tho holy

i wish i could run comfey lol

252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zacian-Crowned on a critical hit: 99-120 (59.2 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO at least i outspeed

maybe i should run indeedee

or

after you is so good in trick room with the fairy tho

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2336540863

jesus christ calyrex one shots groudon

[charred saddle]

the fuck u mean protect through it

[astral kelp]

im running weezing lol

[charred saddle]

then why are u calcing a +1?

[astral kelp]

cool thing about weezing is that i can switch out whenever i want to kill

[charred saddle]

if ur doing a zac weezing lead to urshifu team why are u calcing a +1

[astral kelp]

its 96% without it tho

id prolly lead killowatrel zac

[charred saddle]

well yeah the moment u switcch out ur still getting hut

[astral kelp]

yeah i was half joking with that lol

[charred saddle]

also i said it doesnt kill if shifu terad water

with playrough

[astral kelp]

oh sorry missed that

[charred saddle]

context there was tera water shifu can safely go surging to zac

[astral kelp]

252 SpA Kilowattrel Air Slash vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 168-198 (95.4 - 112.5%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO oh what thats shocking

[charred saddle]

and tera or not tera itll do a lot

[astral kelp]

wtf

252 SpA Kilowattrel Volt Switch vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera-Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 156-186 (88.6 - 105.6%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO its almost there but no cigar

252 SpA Kilowattrel Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tera-Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 200-236 (113.6 - 134%) -- guaranteed OHKO ig i could use thunderbolt

but it might be sash anyways

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2336545719-5oxev5xoxtivtudv6hq5ajb2228ljwxpw
ty for the tip

[gentle crag]

k4x1 has given 1 Gen Rep to abused1

[astral kelp]

fully won me that game

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2336555665
just me having clefairy stopped him from tr

[turbid vale]

is my team good https://pokepast.es/e17f5534f3f1977a

[astral kelp]

wolfe prolly likes it

[turbid vale]

😭

[astral kelp]

how dumb busted is csr

https://pokepast.es/ad4238c495a5b6a9
i went from ~1100 to ~1300 with only 2 losses on this and the losses were just pure misplays
am i actually cooking

actually one of the loses was because of a crit that just barely killed zacian but i still couldve won it

[lost sun]

don't think I've seen anyone consider wattrel

[astral kelp]

so the reason its good here specifically is because i dont need prankster, it outspeeds all the other prankster if they have no prankster, it outspeeds roaring moon with no speed booster and i ivd weezing to outspeed max speed whimsycott so i can taunt it before it can do anything

other than that its kinda shit tbh

rilla boom fake out legit does like 40% of its hp its crazy lmfao

[lost sun]

damn

[foggy lodge]

Weezing Kilowattrel line sounds super passive lol

[lost sun]

talon flames faster tho

[astral kelp]

yea but who tf uses talonflame

[lost sun]

and gets prio tw for when u don't have weezing out aswell

[astral kelp]

true hm

[foggy lodge]

It was actually used in reg G xd

[astral kelp]

i really like volt switch

[astral kelp]

ye but whimsy is just better in every way lmao

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/20cb90e1ccad5aa7

9th place at NAIC almost top 8

[astral kelp]

killo watrel can also almost one tap urshifu

[lost sun]

couldn't u use prio brave bird to take out whims before it setup tw tho

[foggy lodge]

^

[astral kelp]

wait

4 SpA Weezing-Galar Sludge Bomb vs. 156 HP / 204 SpD Whimsicott: 180-216 (116.1 - 139.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

buy you guys got a point

36 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Whimsicott: 138-164 (89 - 105.8%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

hmmmm

[lost sun]

won't force u to lead weezing aswell

[foggy lodge]

Also wtf I just noticed you have 4 fairies

[astral kelp]

shit when you guys are right youre right

[astral kelp]

yeah LMFAO

but they are fairy steel and fairy poison so its not too bad

[lost sun]

u hardly see poison or steel types anyway tbf

[astral kelp]

yea

fairy type is just so fucking good

[foggy lodge]

Not really

Zacian is everywhere in this format

[lost sun]

overrated imo tho

[astral kelp]

the zacian matchup is kinda hard

talonflame should help a lot

[charred saddle]

im gonna say no

too much stuff going on that its going on weird directions

throat spray --> wants to stay in field to play around with the boost. but also ur a perish team that wants to stall and play around shadow tag
same case with CIR, u want the boost but also u want to swap around

dk what heal pulse is there for

FO > heal pulse
taunt to avoid getting encored/other utilities

if ur looking at wolfeys team, all has protect and all either has a decent bulk, or just an instadamage

• encore disable screamtail to play around if ur not going for perish/ opp respects perish play

[astral kelp]

i will miss volt switch tho

[charred saddle]

and also water tera prim = dead with how much bolt and rilla is around

[lost sun]

I love when people use volt switch miraidon cus it's so predictable I can just swap into lando then next move protect the other Mon and get their miraidon

[astral kelp]

do people run max speed roaring moon?

[foggy lodge]

Nah

Atleast the Tang's Roaring Moon isn't

[charred saddle]

and then also no follow me/way to ignore prio so u can still get prio spammed in tr so

[lost sun]

2nd most common stat spread has 252

jolly nature so ye

[astral kelp]

wtf is this offensive stat

81 💀

ig 120 bp moves are good

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it has less atk than Amoonguss

[lost sun]

shame they both make gale wings break tho

💀

[astral kelp]

bro what

[foggy lodge]

Just run tailwind brave bird will o wisp and maybe taunt

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 591: Amoonguss

Types

Grass/Poison

Abilities

Effect Spore, Regenerator (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

114/85/70/85/80/30

Total

464

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

dont need wisp

[foggy lodge]

Its still mostly a support

[astral kelp]

taunt is good tho

[foggy lodge]

How do you beat Zacian lol

[astral kelp]

id always lead weezing into zacian

he has wisp

[foggy lodge]

And then it kills weezing anyways

[charred saddle]

then get slapped

[lost sun]

does zacian get a boost after weezing leaves the field

[astral kelp]

yea it does

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[charred saddle]

i dont see like the path of weezing into zac = good

[foggy lodge]

It isn't

[charred saddle]

unless ur running max bulk to survive and wisp hits

[astral kelp]

idk ive won pretty much all of my zacian games

[lost sun]

incin is a good counter for zacian

[foggy lodge]

When I played Weezing CSR I didn't even pick it against Zamazenta

[charred saddle]

or they hit into ur other mon proteccts and wisp

[foggy lodge]

Imagine against Zacian

[tiny karma]

Weezing-Galar [Poison/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Fighting

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fairy, Grass

Neutral damage

Electric, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground, Psychic, Steel

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

Or you go with the other Weezing

[astral kelp]

yea it lives a behemoth bash i think

[charred saddle]

Geezing is worse

[lost sun]

doubt it

[foggy lodge]

Some japanese players were talking about regular Weezing for this format because it doesn't lose the trade against Zacian

[charred saddle]

u live bash, not blade

[astral kelp]

252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 252 HP / 20+ Def Weezing-Galar: 146-174 (84.8 - 101.1%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO sorry i meant blade

[charred saddle]

regular weezing is good ye

[astral kelp]

i guess i got lucky ion all of my games

[charred saddle]

but then again, most zac runs ground so

[astral kelp]

oh wait i changed it to timid

maybe regular weezing is a thought

[tiny karma]

Weezing [Poison]

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fairy, Fighting, Grass, Poison

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground, Psychic

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

forcing zacian to tera is nice

way less resistances tho

[lost sun]

does tera make u lose stab on Ur previous types

[charred saddle]

no

original typing + tera typing

if it overlaps, thats 2x STAB multiplier

[astral kelp]

yeah fairy weezing is just better

fuck i dont know is it???

[foggy lodge]

But you don't have nothing to punish it going tera ground

[lost sun]

can u resend Ur team

[astral kelp]

youre so right i have a huge ground weakness

[tiny karma]

- [Ground]

Immune

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Poison, Rock

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Grass, Ice, Water

Type Notes

Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lost sun]

would clefairy for ogerpon work

firepon

[astral kelp]

nah clefairy is my only trick room thing

[lost sun]

oh yh

[astral kelp]

^eg

okay so i think i might need to replace fluttermane

[lost sun]

flutter for cress and fairy for firepon maybe

[astral kelp]

i preferably want a paradox moin because they dont lose the bonus when they switch in

i mean weezing switches in

[lost sun]

still get speed control and trickroom and fire pon is a good counter for zacian

[astral kelp]

no way cresselia is so ass imo

clefairy lets me all in on csr or zacian sometimes

[lost sun]

I'm using it on my team rn and it feels goated

[foggy lodge]

Too passive for this format

Farigiraf is just better because anti priority and has some moves to not be a sitting duck on the field

[astral kelp]

i was considering fari for a while

[foggy lodge]

Like helping hand, foul play, roar

[astral kelp]

back when i was running this

[solid frigate]

did i see Miraidon food

[astral kelp]

nah this team is great into miraidon

i have yet to lose to it

or have it be even close

zacian and csr both outspeeding it, weezing stopping psychic terrain, tera ground

[charred saddle]

u must be shitting me

covert cloak miraidon calm midn

in reg G

[astral kelp]

i was considering using volt absorb on kilowatrel tho

[charred saddle]

what the fuck

[solid frigate]

bruh

why even setup-

[astral kelp]

parabolic charge is one hell of a drug

[foggy lodge]

Nah just drop that format LOL

Its so ass

[lost sun]

fr

[astral kelp]

so far im liking reg g more but im still enjoying reg i

[charred saddle]

im still going to play GC so

[foggy lodge]

Also when I try to play bo3 it takes ages to find an opponent

[lost sun]

regi in sd is more fun than reg g in game

[foggy lodge]

They are all playing Reg I

[solid frigate]

lets ruin our lives again

[astral kelp]

anyways torrent since youre good at the game what do you think of this team

[astral kelp]

this is the current achievement with it

tho io havent tried taslon yet

[tiny karma]

- [Ground]

Immune

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Poison, Rock

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Psychic, Steel, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Grass, Ice, Water

Type Notes

Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

i need something better than fluttermane

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/glastrier-gif-21054576

[chrome knot]

would anyone be interested in my full season write up w/ pastes notes etc in #rental_teams after NAIC?

[solid frigate]

outside Zacian

[solid frigate]

wait team report?

[chrome knot]

reports, every main team i used this season

[astral kelp]

huh

[chrome knot]

one beeg document

bc maybe my look on the game and how i build can be helpful to others

[solid frigate]

i might have time to do that if i can do my VGC teams repository fast enough

[astral kelp]

fuck man is iron bundles best water tyope move fucking hydro pump

[chrome knot]

iron bundle doesn’t want water move anyways

icy wind freeze dry encore protect is strong

[astral kelp]

yeah encore is really fucking good hm

do i have to run sash or can he live without it

i havent reallt seen any bulky attempts

[solid frigate]

still mid bundle

[astral kelp]

so i need something that can give me speed control and cover ground and fire types

i also need a paradox mon lmao

but idk bundle seems so ass

[chrome knot]

sash

[astral kelp]

so it would be something like so

oger water would be really good here

his slot would be clefairy but then i insta lose to trick room

and i still dont have fire coverage other than tera ground tera blast lmao

specifically ogerpon hearthflame coverage

[tiny karma]

Ogerpon-Hearthflame [Grass/Fire]

Resists (0.25x)

Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Electric, Fairy, Steel

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Ground, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Flying, Poison, Rock

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.
Fire-types cannot be Burned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

252 Atk Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 188 HP / 52 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 164-194 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO not good enough fuck man

maybe arcanine?

holy shit why is dugtrio so fast lmao

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2336583000-c4mdcrftjnouvpsayw6wjymcc49eoe8pw

They were at 1550

And they played that so poorly lmao

Not picking your two CSR checks in favor of Entei??

[turbid vale]

i hate wide guard oml

[tiny karma]

Move: Hard Press

Power is equal to 100 * (target's current HP / target's maximum HP), rounded half down, but not less than 1.

Type

Steel

Category

Physical

Power

0

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[left bobcat]

I love wide guard

[solid frigate]

just hit the wide guard user with single target damage

[foggy lodge]

Or bait the wide guard and taunt it

[vocal plume]

Built this as a tr sweeper but I'm not too sure about teras and a 6th mon. Any thoughts?
https://pokepast.es/faf8bc33e7d5e22e

[left bobcat]

Who am I

[solid frigate]

heck my restricted pair has AoE i kinda just nuke them

[left bobcat]

PHOTON GYSER

[solid frigate]

what

[left bobcat]

Erm what

[solid frigate]

Torkoal

or Bolt

[vocal plume]

Oops

Link pasted twice

[left bobcat]

Blastoise

[vocal plume]

That should be better

[left bobcat]

Specs water spout Blastoise

[solid frigate]

bro is going to do Mega Blastoise

[vocal plume]

Be serious lads

[left bobcat]

Serious nature?

[vocal plume]

Aight continue to be useless then

[left bobcat]

Answers were already provided

[solid frigate]

i did say Torkoal or Bolt-

[lost sun]

use wartortle spout with eviolite instead

[vocal plume]

K

Appreciated

[timber falcon]

im assuming reg I is double restricted?

[lost sun]

it's been shown

[solid frigate]

yea

[timber falcon]

Holy fast paced battles, this is going to be so chaotic

[astral kelp]

yeah it is lol

so i need something that can deal with ogre hearth and has speed control

i thought of this

lmfao

[tiny karma]

Iron Boulder [Rock/Psychic]

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Normal, Poison, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ice, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dark, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Steel, Water

Type Notes

Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

holy dogshit

[solid frigate]

75% GXE

[astral kelp]

holy hell

wochien

and the boulder

[vocal plume]

Um what the?

[solid frigate]

thats my team

and got 75% GXE

[astral kelp]

4 games?

[solid frigate]

nah 1375-1400

[astral kelp]

That's crazy dude

[solid frigate]

in elo

[astral kelp]

Is iron boulder good??

[solid frigate]

mid but potential is close to Crown and Leaves

i already tried crown and Boulder

[astral kelp]

when do you bring boulder?

he kinda fits perfectly in my team

[solid frigate]

CIR

then again

you can just bring when you want to cover up the MU

[astral kelp]

right ic\

i like it

[solid frigate]

i think my win-lose is 9-2 i keep forgot

[astral kelp]

damn dude nice

im thinking about running faster and bulldoze

[solid frigate]

just make that shit fast and offensive man-

[astral kelp]

is it possible to see like game history?

like op.gg

[solid frigate]

yeah but i have to login with that account+I don't use it

[astral kelp]

because rn i have like a 45% gxe but i want to know my actual winrate

[solid frigate]

pfft

[astral kelp]

with this team i mean

dude holy HAHAH

iron boulder a unit

[solid frigate]

its more like AV Ogre is that Tanky with Screens

thats before i am a Miraidon main

[astral kelp]

oh yeah i would lose if i was playing against that i have no way to kill that lmao

[tiny karma]

- [Water]

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Ice, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Electric, Grass

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

yeah honestly

maybe i should just run ogre

[vocal plume]

What's the best way to run Oger?

[solid frigate]

Kyogre? or Ogerpon

[vocal plume]

Ogerpon

[solid frigate]

and which Ogerpon form

[vocal plume]

Hearthflame

[astral kelp]

what the fuck is this set huh

[solid frigate]

depends on your team really

[astral kelp]

252 Atk Ogerpon-Cornerstone Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 188 HP / 52 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 210-248 (117.3 - 138.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[solid frigate]

good ol shiliang Tang

[astral kelp]

i didnt know he learnt encore

[vocal plume]

Ok. I'm kinda taking a break from team building for a bit cause I've made like 7 teams lol

[astral kelp]

wtf why does no one run encore on oger

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Cornerstone Mask Ogerpon-Cornerstone Ivy Cudgel vs. 212 HP / 252+ Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 170-204 (93.4 - 112%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Cornerstone Mask Ogerpon-Cornerstone Ivy Cudgel vs. 212 HP / 252+ Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 156-186 (85.7 - 102.1%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[solid frigate]

Follow Me>Encore

[astral kelp]

does hearthflame ever run max defence??

[solid frigate]

oh you naive child...

[astral kelp]

252 Atk Ogerpon-Cornerstone Power Whip (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 132 HP / 140 Def Kyogre: 218-260 (113.5 - 135.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO pretty nice actually

[solid frigate]

the same person who runs the Ogerpon Teak Mask did

[astral kelp]

[astral kelp]

this dudes wild

[solid frigate]

well two person

in a CIR team

[astral kelp]

well i guess im not that scared of that set

[solid frigate]

Bulk Set still 2HKO Rilla lol

[astral kelp]

im not scared of it killing my zacian

fuck idk io feel like i need a paradox mon

maybe i go back to roaring moon?

[solid frigate]

that still 2HKO

[astral kelp]

with 0 atk evs wtf?

[solid frigate]

12 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 204 HP / 20 Def Zacian-Crowned: 140-168 (72.5 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[astral kelp]

bro what the hell

[solid frigate]

12 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Horn Leech vs. 204 HP / 20 Def Tera Ground Zacian-Crowned: 104-126 (53.8 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[astral kelp]

im going 0 tankynes zacian too it mioght just one shot

[solid frigate]

do not mess with the Oger

[astral kelp]

oger hearth just walls zacian so hard

i might just not bring zacian into the team

[solid frigate]

+1 252+ Atk Tera Ground Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 212 HP / 252+ Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 63-75 (34.6 - 41.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[astral kelp]

i mean zacian vs hearthflame

like ill just bring csr weezing oger talon

i want more speed control tho fuck man

teambuilding is hard haha

[vocal plume]

I'm thinking a team of CSR, Flutter, Oger-Hearth, another restri and someone else

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 212 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 121-144 (66.4 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 12 Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow: 192-226 (109.7 - 129.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[vocal plume]

It really is. I'm struggling a ton. There are so many good mons that work in different ways

[solid frigate]

EZ

Ogerpon Break Calyrex's Kneecaps

[astral kelp]

bro wtf

oh cool

yeah ig ill just run oger corner

but yea torrent what do you think talon flame or roaring moon?

talon flame is faster with weezing, can out taunt literally all tailwind mons

but its a shit mon other than that

[solid frigate]

why run them Both-

[astral kelp]

o

220 Atk Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 220 HP / 252+ Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 104-124 (56.8 - 67.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO man nah i really need that ogerpon check

220 Atk Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 188 HP / 52 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 140-166 (78.2 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO it is close tho

i can just outspeed + astral barrage tbh

[solid frigate]

glad i put Tang Team in my Miraidon team

[astral kelp]

what does that mean ?

this seems better than this]

so were improving

68 Atk Tera-Flying Roaring Moon Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 188 HP / 52 Def Ogerpon-Hearthflame: 188-224 (105 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO also this

maybe ill run hearthflame since moon is enough most of the time\

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2336616706-9k3b7cph2xf72p3mxghg3xd799du0dppw

[grizzled island]

What moves should I put on my H snealser

[astral kelp]

fake out dire claw close combat

then whatever your heart desires

[grizzled island]

And item wise? Idk what they should hold

[foggy lodge]

Sash probably

Unless you are playing with Miraidon

[grizzled island]

I just realized I got two marks on them as well omg

[grizzled island]

I am playing with mrididon

[foggy lodge]

Then unburden electric seed

[astral kelp]

yeah always

fun fact i tested dire claw and in like 6-7 attempts i didnt prock iot a single time in e-terrain

throat chop is good because kills csr and since unburden outspeeds

i just evd to outspeed csr

[foggy lodge]

Poison jab💔

[astral kelp]

wait no

thats supposed to be dire claw woops

[foggy lodge]

Its better to outspeed mons in tailwind with Sneasler

Its 120 and with unburden it doubles you should take advantage of that

[grizzled island]

Need opinions on this team,

I'm going to have the giraffe on the team too

[astral kelp]

It's almost arubega ig

[chrome knot]

so what are sneasler and hatterene for

[grizzled island]

Arubega?

[astral kelp]

huh haven't really thought of that

Won't how fast he is for sure

[astral kelp]

It's the big overused team

[grizzled island]

Not 100% sure yet.. kinda threw it together

[chrome knot]

“overused”😭

[chrome knot]

Arubega is a player, but is also the name of a Miraidon team commonly consisting of Miraidon, Iron Hands, Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Urshifu-Rapid Strike & Whimsicott

[astral kelp]

Overused as in everyone plays it but no one plays it well so they always lose lmfao

[chrome knot]

that is just so incorrect😭😭

[astral kelp]

In my personal experience at least idk

[foggy lodge]

It's a hard team to pilot correctly yeah

[grizzled island]

I'm kinda messing around with team ideas, can't seem to settle on anything yet

[foggy lodge]

But the recompense is having the most broken team in the format

[chrome knot]

ur personal experience is low ladder bruh

[astral kelp]

Ya

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[astral kelp]

Exactly B)

In my 1000-1400 range lol

Happens in every game tbh there's always a best strategy and there's always people sucking at it

[bold geode]

Ma'am
I hit top 500 BO1
And instantly lost 4 games

[astral kelp]

The life

[chrome knot]

congrats idk ?

[bold geode]

Lol

[astral kelp]

Ya congrats

I believe in you go for the top 100 woo

Wait omg I'm 3 games away from top 500

If I press reset does it reset elo or just gxe?

Like does it reset everything

[left bobcat]

But

[mint void]

Hattarennr has no real place on that team imo. Hands is just a better TR option with Eterrain. As already mentioned thats just Arubega mirai -Sneasler

[grizzled island]

Okay ty ^^

[gentle crag]

feral_vll has given 1 Gen Rep to lnk1603

[mint void]

If u want to play Hatterene I would look into CIR ir Lunala shenanigans

[grizzled island]

Oo lunala shenanigans sounds funny

[tiny karma]

Thundurus [Electric/Flying]

Immune

Ground

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fighting, Flying, Grass, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fire, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ice, Rock

Type Notes

Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Zekrom [Dragon/Electric]

Resists (0.25x)

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Grass, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Fighting, Ghost, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dragon, Fairy, Ground, Ice

Type Notes

Electric-types cannot be paralyzed.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 150: Mewtwo

Type

Psychic

Abilities

Pressure, Unnerve (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/110/90/154/90/130

Total

680

Other Formes

Mewtwo-Mega-X, Mewtwo-Mega-Y

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 25: Pikachu

Type

Electric

Abilities

Static, Lightning Rod (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

35/55/40/50/50/90

Total

320

Other Formes

Pikachu-Cosplay, Pikachu-Rock-Star, Pikachu-Belle, Pikachu-Pop-Star, Pikachu-PhD, Pikachu-Libre, Pikachu-Original, Pikachu-Hoenn, Pikachu-Sinnoh, Pikachu-Unova, Pikachu-Kalos, Pikachu-Alola, Pikachu-Partner, Pikachu-Starter, Pikachu-World

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

Nvm

[silver zenith]

Does it matter whether you level calyrex ice up to lvl 100 or not for competitive play? He’s lvl 80 in sword

[next stump]

doesn’t matter

it’s leveled down to 50 anyways

[silver zenith]

I’m hunting for a brave nature one now. Been doing so for the past 2 days and only one I found had a perfect speed stat rip

[foggy lodge]

Oh damn

Turns out Neil was the guy #1 at bo3 ladder with pagos CSR

[solid frigate]

Dillon my Miraiogre Team finally found the Sauce,and its not what anyone think

[mint void]

Secret sauce?

[mint void]

F. Got one with 0 speed and 0 attack in like 10 tries

No point in hunting for a specific naturr btw

You can just mint it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqyTdErQFCo&ab_channel=JustinTang

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/drayton-drayton-pokemon-indigo-disk-adonciant-gif-16159963879859622212

[mint void]

how

[solid frigate]

something something boss battle time but less degen

also resist Rillaboom

[mint void]

but also doesnt really hurt it or is EShot boost good enough?

[solid frigate]

E-shot Boost+D-pulse

should be enough idk

[mint void]

probably is yeah. I remember from Reg H that Eshot also hurt already

[solid frigate]

also Enough Stamina Boosts+Tera Water is just boss battle

for Ice Rider and Koraidon

also like Since Archaludon is the reason why i am in VGC

[mint void]

how

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Close Combat vs. +2 156 HP / 76 Def Tera Water Archaludon: 70-83 (37.8 - 44.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. +2 156 HP / 76 Def Tera Water Archaludon: 19-23 (10.2 - 12.4%) -- possible 9HKO

[mint void]

2nd part bro

[silver zenith]

I just caught one with a decent speed stat and did that. I soft reset for like 2 days straight and couldn’t find a 0 spd one

[mint void]

how its the reason you are in VGC stuff

[solid frigate]

cuz i did not join VGC until BB Academy released and Archaludon most suitable to my favourite archetype,rain

and i think its interesting in double battles

[left bobcat]

BBQ

[forest arrow]

Groudon Lunala is Lunadon

so Koraidon Lunala shall be named Koala

https://tenor.com/view/koala-bear-kratzen-itchy-scratch-gif-3160930765404749075

[left bobcat]

No

[forest arrow]

YES

[left bobcat]

This is better

[near crag]

Just built this mirai zacian team, and I'm really struggling against flutter mane and opposing zacians. https://pokepast.es/728bfaccee659fcc any ideas?

[left bobcat]

Seems good to me

HOWEVER

[mint void]

252 Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Sacred Sword vs. 132 HP / 4 Def Zacian-Crowned: 57-68 (30.9 - 36.9%) -- 73.32% chance to 3HKO so thats damn disapointing

[solid frigate]

hard TR:

[near crag]

I should struggle with it, just didn't mention bc I didn't run into any htr matches

I do have double taunt tho, could do smth

[mint void]

double taunt seems ok. Not like u can stop Follow me TR anyways without spread

[left bobcat]

Blatt

[near crag]

My only shot is KOing the follow me user, and taunting (probably) CIR

[left bobcat]

Or-

[mint void]

ting is how?

[left bobcat]

Just rain dance and pray surging strikes kills

[mint void]

how does that stop TR?

[left bobcat]

It doesn’t

[near crag]

why would it?

[left bobcat]

Not like glacial lance kills ursh

[near crag]

nor pao

[left bobcat]

Or Zac

[near crag]

but the rest goes back to the lobby after the horse even sneezes

[left bobcat]

Besides sucker punch is always an option

[near crag]

throat chop + sucker should kill it, I think

there is this variant too, btw https://pokepast.es/b0eb7bff0c4e2da6

I really believe in dnite

[vocal plume]

Fair enough

https://pokepast.es/b6fbde1e1883cbb5
I built this which is somewhat similar

[near crag]

Cool team, just think you should consider dropping shadow ball for substitute

[vocal plume]

I was between sub or shadow ball cause I already have Zama who uses wide guard

Sub gives Caly-Shadow a bit more survivability without the sash

[near crag]

plus it's great for blocking sucker punch, and could be a nice win con

[vocal plume]

Yeah

[mint void]

Amazing into sucker punch yeah

[near crag]

Btw, what do yall think is gonna happen with pagos? It should be worse, for being a tera hog, but it should be better, for not having to do all the heavy lifting

plus it just won a tournament with hooh

[left bobcat]

We will just have to see

Me personally I thing pagos is just eh- in double restricted

[near crag]

I played it with zacian a bit, but it's really underwhelming. Most of the times you end up sacrificing it, bc one regular mon just has more value

[vocal plume]

There are so many more useful/workable combos than Pagos generally but I think if someone can find a way to use it properly at worlds, they could dominate

[solid frigate]

its basically being Mega Rayquaza

Click of a button and wolla Delta stream basicallu

[vocal plume]

Yeah lol

[ornate tinsel]

Hi all, I am completely new to VGC/Competitive, I have watched loads of videos on YouTube to try and get some information on where to start etc. but would someone mind telling what I should do after I beat the game, such as are there things i need to unlock to start breeding for certain pokemon etc or items that i need to collect. appreciate any help!

[left bobcat]

Damn

[near crag]

You mostly don't need to breed anything, and as of resources, you gather them individually for each mon you want to get

[left bobcat]

Or

[near crag]

also, I'd advise you to play a lot of showdown before jumping onto the ladder

[ornate tinsel]

is that the sim i see loads of people playing on pc?

[near crag]

yep

[left bobcat]

yep

[ornate tinsel]

is there a guide to what natures are best for certain pokemon as well and abilities?

[near crag]

pikalytics/munchstats

[ornate tinsel]

and with IVs and EVs is it just best to max them all out or does it just depend on resources you have in game?

[left bobcat]

SCHYEAH

[near crag]

depends on what youre trying to achieve with them. You should be able to get everything IG

There is no problem on maxing out evs, but those sites I mentioned could give some better ideas

as of ivs, you can max them all out, only min Atk on special attackers

[ornate tinsel]

ok appriciate the help guys sorry for all the questions! and lets say i get arceus and i want him to have the best Ivs through hypertraining and the best EVs can i do that as well? not for comp but just in general?

so for special attackers i should try and keep the attack as low as possible? can you dcrease evs?

[near crag]

Arceus isn't allowed, but I'd recomend watching TheDelybot for this stuff

[near crag]

Yes, and yes (you can't decrease Ivs tho)

[near crag]

btw, that's the only use case for breeding

[ornate tinsel]

what is the reason for that in terms of performance in match?

[near crag]

I wouldnt be so concerned abt it now tho

[near crag]

foul play

[ornate tinsel]

oh ok thank you, i guess everyone is waiting to see if the VGC will transfer to over to Z-A right?

[near crag]

Yeah, but I think it’ll be transferred to champions

It’s absolutely worth it to play sv now tho

[ornate tinsel]

oh ok good i wasnt sure if I would be wasting my time for how long it will take me to start a team aha only just got back into pokemon so im starting the game from scratch

i've not about champions will it be a standalone game where you can transfer pokemon potentially or is there no info yet

[near crag]

Seems like an official battle sim, that should be used for vgc, but that’s kinda all we know

Wolfey made a nice vid on it if too

[ornate tinsel]

Ill make sure to watch it appriciate all the help!

[next stump]

yooooo let’s go I finally won a cup this season

[solid frigate]

eyyy

[shadow wind]

Can you drink out of it?

[cyan smelt]

Conner I'm currently 10-3 in bo3

[shadow wind]

Goat behaviour

[cyan smelt]

Any team with calyrex on it is tough though

Caly and Zama are tough

[shadow wind]

Yeah

They tend to be

[left bobcat]

Bind

[chrome knot]

enjoyed 2nd @ toronto local so i have to go back again xd

[next stump]

do you need 1st for something?

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2336944386
@shadow wind i froze ya boi

[chrome knot]

yeahh to qualify for their invitational theyre hosting

you have to win a toronto local

and i keep getting so close, always coming short tho

[solid frigate]

gl and hf as always

[chrome knot]

ill prob go back next sunday for a cup

[solid frigate]

god if Manchester have these locals(Which there isn't) i could do some work

[next stump]

RIP that’s tough that you need 1st

when is the invitational?

https://www.pokedata.ovh/events/

check the UK here maybe there is something driving distance

[solid frigate]

yeah i'd wish but nope

[next stump]

how far is London? I’m not familiar with the country and distances

[solid frigate]

i could try to make a community about VGC and TCG in my town but like i don't think its feasabile

[solid frigate]

3 hours

[next stump]

oof that’s really far

[solid frigate]

and i rarely go that far cuz i don't have a licesnse and i don't want to tire my father

[mint void]

Fair

[chrome knot]

July i believe but i have until May31 to sneak in

[mint void]

Else just grab some friends or w/e and have a day trip

[chrome knot]

then May31 theyre doing a last chance qualifier

[solid frigate]

but if there is an oppoturnity to open a community in my town(Not gonna doxx myself) i would

[mint void]

No balls

[next stump]

I always just shamelessly send a message through social media or discord to stores that host TCG but not VGC

and ask if they are open to the idea if there is a tournament organizer that does the work for them

[solid frigate]

dude you think they will see someone who only 4-4 a regional and thats the only result i have?

[solid frigate]

ehhhh about tournament organisers-

This is hard to say,but my teambuilding group also make tournaments-

[mint void]

I mean the doxxinh

[cyan smelt]

i'm glad kit didn't dox me

[solid frigate]

i mean you don't know what the heck this server has

[solid frigate]

yeah fair enough

[mint void]

Idk why that should matter. What matters should be if there is a big enough interest to pick up a7ch a project

[solid frigate]

idk like if i saw like people who play PoGo in my area during the Hoopa raids

there should be a decent chunk for TCG and VGC

[mint void]

How populated is your area?

Im cooked like the biggest city in a 30 km radius is like 40k

Then for 50km its abt 100k

I dont have friends interested in VGC so driving far for a local is just not it for me.

[solid frigate]

its like decently populated for a non city central area

See in manchester there are like areas,area 1 is mostly city centre,

I'm in Area 4 terminal station but the thing is,its very populated in weekends

[mint void]

That seems ok tho

[solid frigate]

yeah most of the terminal stations are decently popular,creating an community should be fine

[mint void]

You miss 100% of the shots you dont take

[solid frigate]

yeah and i can ask any TCGers in here to help me do that

+there are a lot of Hong Kong Food shops in my area i can also promote them

[knotty briar]

Managed to get this while prepping for reg I
0 speed IV and 1 attack IV

[mint void]

Banger

Necrozma just isnt that great rn

[knotty briar]

Alongside Calyrex-Ice, it's gonna be crazy

[mint void]

Go for it then.

[solid frigate]

its actually good,like i did not expect

[mint void]

I always thought it could be decent in TR. Its just an ability diff to Lunala true form

[solid frigate]

just checked,there is no community in my area

neither of the sorts

i can also do that for Pogo

[mint void]

If you have the time to spare you can try building something

[solid frigate]

idk

but like have to talk with my teambuilding group for helping me up a bit

[mint void]

necrozma no moonblast?

[solid frigate]

it does not learn it

[mint void]

F

[solid frigate]

for some god damn reason

[mint void]

I guess it is a different mon but...

[solid frigate]

Calyrex:

literally share the moveset with the Honse and Enhances it

[mint void]

is the learnset it gets from the horse limited?

or is it 1 to 1 + Caly moves

[solid frigate]

Caly Moves+Honse Moves+singature moves when fused

[grizzled island]

Can anyone tell me what I should do to make this boi for competitive

[solid frigate]

Iron Hands

[mint void]

beef it up

make it slow

[solid frigate]

Fake out,Drain Punch Low Kick Wild Charge Assault Vest set

[mint void]

make sure he punches

[grizzled island]

He shall be a tank

[mint void]

Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 76 HP / 180 Atk / 12 Def / 236 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Drain Punch
• Low Kick
• Wild Charge
• Fake Out

[solid frigate]

Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 44 HP / 76 Atk / 136 Def / 252 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Fake Out
• Drain Punch
• Wild Charge
• Low Kick

Welp-

ehhhh mean it depends mine is just tankier idk

[mint void]

thats solid for a spread Id say. Maybe bit dated but neat.
If you want to get specific probably EV for CSR Psychic/Flutter Moonblast/Mirai DGleam stuff

[solid frigate]

mine is just from Bham regionals

[mint void]

mine is worlds

[grizzled island]

I want it to go with moridon

[mint void]

only hands i used

[solid frigate]

Miraidon*

But what is your core,like just Arubega or-

[mint void]

pretty much yes

[grizzled island]

Listen my very stupid Pokémon loving butt cannot for the life of me spell a single Pokémons name. (That's literally no joke 😭 I can't spell any name right)

[mint void]

ok I cant post lucas team rep for hands for some reason

[mint void]

Miraidon, Sneasler, Iron Hands, Urshifu, Incin, Farig iirc?

[solid frigate]

since when Sneasler is in the team-

[mint void]

I said pretty much

[solid frigate]

mmmmm

[mint void]

Idk if it was Pon or Incin ngl

incin

[grizzled island]

I need a fresh start mochi are they easy to get?

For the iorn hands

[mint void]

idk ngl. you have to do the Berry Game in the DLC in kitakami

[grizzled island]

I hate that game :<

[mint void]

the festival location

[grizzled island]

Welp

[mint void]

same

[grizzled island]

I want that shiny u get from it.. but I'm too bad at it

[rustic mountain]

can also jus use ev reducing berries

[mint void]

wait what?

[rustic mountain]

u get shiny munchlax for completing it

[grizzled island]

U get a shiny munchlax

[mint void]

ass

[grizzled island]

Its a cute baby >:<

[rustic mountain]

its cool lol gl trynna get it now tho

[foggy lodge]

I swear that fucking quest

[rustic mountain]

i remember goin for it wen dlc first released, took my group i think 3 attempts? wasnt too bad 2nd time only was a loss cuz some1 dc'd

[foggy lodge]

All of that for a shiny I already have and not even viable on this format💔

If it was reg H it could atleast be usable for a hard TR shit ig

[rustic mountain]

haha

[knotty briar]

Welp I'm satisfied
Back to Xenoblade X
See you guys when Reg I starts

[next stump]

congrats 😄

[solid frigate]

did i hear xenoblade

[near crag]

i've been trying to build around CSR and mirai, and I thought whims and farig were 100% necessary. Now I got two slots left, and I got watershifu, and incin, but it feels kinda awkward. Any ideas?

[solid frigate]

i did not see the awkwardness beside you kinda sucked into Hard TR

[near crag]

I could always slap taunt into incin, or tr imprison on farig

[knotty briar]

Yeah, I've been playing Xenoblade X for the past couple weeks

[left bobcat]

Congratulations

[solid frigate]

i'm just revisiting Xenoblade 2 cuz like why not

its peak

[left bobcat]

GASP how could you

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/megaplex-gif-25031704

[left bobcat]

B b but-

[knotty briar]

Oi! Waifublade chronicles 2 is an excellent game!

[solid frigate]

honestly i rather play this game

Cuz like Xenoblade kinda did have good lore,its just marketability kinda ruined the first impression

damn that almost want me to play The DLC-

[knotty briar]

Original Xenoblade happens to be my favorite game of all time, but I get it
The timing of its release was bad and it was barely advertised
Not to mention how much it costs now

[solid frigate]

OG xenoblade is nice,and i love Xenoblade Trilolgy

but like XC2 is probably the one i played the most

[knotty briar]

Honestly fair, since I've probably put over 100 hours into 2, though I've personally put most of my xenoblade hours into the original

[dense latch]

starting to play a bit more reg i today, really liking my team so far :))

[knotty briar]

Ayyyy nice

[solid frigate]

i think i have 200 Hours lmao-

just from first playthrough and ng+

[knotty briar]

As a 100%er, getting Kos-Mos was the biggest hurdle for me

[solid frigate]

i got her and maxxed her out lmao

in just 100 Hours

[knotty briar]

I was at least 100 hours in before I got her lmao

[solid frigate]

and tbf the only reason i even keep on playing XC2 is i watched the spoilers and Pneuma is fucking awesome-

[solid frigate]

i think i have an Heart attack when i gacha her-

[knotty briar]

I've always had horrible gacha luck
That was honestly my only complaint about Xeno 2

Everything else was superb

[left bobcat]

You were holding your breath

[solid frigate]

XC2 outside of Gacha,the combat is fine

[knotty briar]

Oh yeah, it's great

[solid frigate]

i kinda just only do like normal story stuff cuz i did not build half of the blades-

[knotty briar]

The only combat complaint I had was not auto attacking while moving

[solid frigate]

i just like oh 4=6 energy balls?

Time to Pneuma Chain attack lmao

[knotty briar]

Lol I liked to get 8 just cuz I could

[solid frigate]

yeah Pneuma is so OP-

Yet her damage is just way lower-

than Pythra

[knotty briar]

Double spinning edge x100

[solid frigate]

ok thats Mythra exclusive

but like Monolith pls make an HD edition for XC2 and give Pneuma her Affinity tree pls-

[knotty briar]

I found myself never using Pyra after I maxed out Mythra, which is sad cuz I liked her more

[solid frigate]

i just use Pyra for elemental combos

but god damn i wish i can use Pneuma outside battle cuz she is my favourite

[knotty briar]

However, my favorite character in the game would definitely have to be...
ZEKE VON GENBU
BRINGER OF CHAOS

[solid frigate]

oh god not again lmao

[fringe fossil]

thoughts on cresselia for trick room in the current meta

for reg G

[solid frigate]

i never use zeke cuz like i might make some blades electric

[solid frigate]

Fari>>>>>>

[fringe fossil]

yea I have him too I was thinking of putting 2 trick room setters on my team just in case I shouldnt bring one or is that a bad idea

[knotty briar]

I haven't used cress since the home update, but I have fought a fair amount

[solid frigate]

just use Fari and you are goated on TR

[fringe fossil]

word

[knotty briar]

As an avid trick room enjoyer, I see no problem having more than one trick room setter

I'm personally gonna have 3 on my Reg I team

[solid frigate]

just i think people would be triggered if they play XC2

I use Double Tank+ATK

like i'm not kidding-

[knotty briar]

I honestly can't remember the sets I used
It's been that long since I played

Also every time I came close to replaying the game (aside from ng+), I remembered the Ursula quest and that stopped me

[solid frigate]

Rex Morag Tora,thats the current team

And i just throw them wrong ass blades

[solid frigate]

i just,never do that quest

+Ursula isn't that good anyway-

[knotty briar]

I have to 100% games when I play them
It bothers me way too much when I leave one unfinished

[solid frigate]

yeah fair

but yeah i have to make a actual good team later if i can

cuz why i give Morag Kosmos-

[knotty briar]

The only niche Ursula has is one shotting Amalthus

You can use knockback to punch him into the hole and it's hilarious

[solid frigate]

boom gottem

also like

god damn i want Haze as well in the main game

Maybe remastered version copium

[knotty briar]

If I recall correctly my endgame team was Rex (aegis, scimitar, and bird), Tora (all 3 Poppis), and Zeke (Pandoria, Kos-Mos, and Tel-Os)

[solid frigate]

so dual DPS thats fine

i'm just double tank

Monolith if you ever release XC2 remastered,just give me Haze in main story playable and Pneuma can fully built-

[knotty briar]

Unfortunately we only got to use Haze in Torna

As for Pneuma, yeah pls let us build with her

[solid frigate]

I would just max her out before going to final boss like cmon

[knotty briar]

The final boss felt way to much like the egil fight in XC1
I wish it was fight Malos, then fight Aion as a phase 2
That would have been amazing

[solid frigate]

yeah thats how i thought,its way too easy

[knotty briar]

I always loved using positional arts and you couldn't really do that in the final fight

Welp I need to get some sleep
Thanks for the reminiscing of XC2

[solid frigate]

np

[fringe fossil]

https://pokepast.es/5bf0e00499f38fca
I made some changes to that cancer of a regirock team I shared last week. Its still probably not very good but im finding more success and it seems to have more of a strategy to it and the CIR + Amoong combo works really well for me. maybe once I finally give up on regirock I can use this to make a decent team

[left bobcat]

You testify hate to see it happen

[astral kelp]

i love regirock

wait youre running no body press regirock wtf man

no protect on specs mane

how are you planning to prock weakness policy?

[livid vine]

i wanna tinker with miraidon lunala. i know csr is better but i think lunala fills a nice niche that im comfortable with
what should i look at running move-wise?

[astral kelp]

id say youd just be running arubega but with lunala instead of fari? idk miraidon too well

sounds kinda nice actually

[livid vine]

thats my current team, i just am stumped on the lunala set

[solid frigate]

i usually would not spam Arubega with Lunala on it but do whatever you want

[astral kelp]

ay

these games have been hella easy too

i kinda wish weezing did more

sludge bomb kinda does nothing

ive been considering investing more on spa

[lapis igloo]

I am very new to the competive scene, and looking to get into it. I trying to firgure out how to EV spread Calyrex-S. I see a lot of variations. Some more glass cannon, and others a bit more bulky.

[astral kelp]

what does the reset button do?

[fringe fossil]

Will definitely add body press and protect to them. Weakness policy actually procs more than you think and has led me to some really funny plays

[astral kelp]

i meant remove protect from specs fluttermane

[astral kelp]

lol i love that tho

[solid frigate]

which one do you want then

[fringe fossil]

Ohh yeah definitely will I was thinking for a sec why protect when im specs

I’ve definitely accidentally clicked protect losing me a match for sure

Very new to vgc

[lapis igloo]

I suppose that's part of my question, I am not sure what would be better in the current meta. I image there's probably gonna be a lot of mirror matches, so perhaps something a bit more bulky could be good

[solid frigate]

it kinda depends but mirror match doesn’t really care about Bulk anyway

4/252/252 will be good if you want Hyper Offense sets which probably be better in Reg I

Bulk set will be better if you are running covert cloak Calm Mind,best for reg G and set up

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2337093531-hmrlk0er0c3duup8qgl1yexx9qu9wimpw weezing is the fucking GOAT

[lapis igloo]

That is really helpful. I needed to hear that. The team of was thinking of putting together is:

CalyS, ZamaC, UrshifuR, Chien-Pao, Farigiraf, and Incineroar

[astral kelp]

wtf plus 14

ive been seeing a lot of regieleki

electro web is really good

aaand i lose 3 games in a roll and the team feels garbage again

this team in specific kinda fucks me for some reason

make that 4

i went from like 1100 to 1310 with only 2 loses to 4 loses in aroll

[lost sun]

that's just my reg g team with lunala instead of farig

[astral kelp]

the problem is that my team just cant deal with tailroom

maybe ill start bringing clefairy more ofren

THIS IS MY FITH MIRAIDON LUNALA GAME IN A ROLL WTF MAN

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2337105853-10batfd3nyywv2uu6gfubctgl4lagjhpw

there you go

finally the streak is over

[lost sun]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2337119374-vqpue490ahu1ypb1wq3n6rx4nnyqvndpw

how did he manage to throw 💀

[astral kelp]

i just lost a game to imprision csr wtf

okay clefairy isnt enough

how tf do i deal with trick room

istfg every team i make struggles with trick room

every fucking game i lose is because i couldnt deal with trick room

[knotty briar]

Imprison indeedee perhaps

I love using trick room and that's what gives me the most trouble

[astral kelp]

imprison indeedee just doesnt do anything man

follow me imprision trick room

then what psychic or dgleam or some bullshit

literally does nothing painn

[knotty briar]

You can replace psychic with expanding force on caly, use follow me for redirection and helping hand for a damage boost

[astral kelp]

plus if they bring tailroom

and i bring indeedee im just cooked

[knotty briar]

I'd replace Clefairy with Indeedee and Weezing with Tornadus or Whimsicott

[astral kelp]

clefairy is a maybe

weezing is like the entire point of the team

its kinda anti meta its really good into a lot of teams i see but i think its just skill issue of me not knowing how to deal with trick room properly

[knotty briar]

Well as someone who uses trick room A LOT, Indeedee gives me the most trouble
Imprison, trick room, protect/follow me, and expanding force/follow me is what I'd recommend

[astral kelp]

im considering it

so a few things
roaring moons 4x weakness to fairy makes it kind of shit
im okay against hard trick room but struggle against tail room

maybe instead of ogre i run something thats good in tr

[knotty briar]

From what I can tell at a glance, the Roaring moon seems to be more for support purposes, which Torn or Whim does much better

[astral kelp]

so the reason im running moon is because it outspeeds both of those with weezing out

[knotty briar]

Replacing Oger is also an option, 2 redirectors are rarely needed

[astral kelp]

against tailwind its amazing to just go weezing moon and shitting on them

[astral kelp]

yeah agree

here are some things ive tried lol

[knotty briar]

So if you replace Clefairy with Indeedee and Ogerpon with Tornadus or Whimsicott, it should work

[astral kelp]

maybe sash whimsy?

[knotty briar]

Sash Whimsicott or Cloak Tornadus
Either works fine

[astral kelp]

i want a paradox pokemon too because it works well with weezing since they dont lose the buff when weezing switches in

def not tornados

[knotty briar]

Sash Whimsicott
I'd recommend taunt/encore, tailwind, protect, and moonblast

[astral kelp]

problem with whimsy to too is my fire weakness

not light screen really?

[knotty briar]

I've seen a few, but it tends to be a more niche set

[astral kelp]

its nice having protect since we running sash thats true

[knotty briar]

The primary fire users are flare blitz koraidon, Ogerpon, and maybe heat crash Groudon

[astral kelp]

i can encore the trick room users too

[knotty briar]

Your other mons can handle those

[astral kelp]

yeah ogerpon hearth is legit the only reason why im running oger corner

its so fucking good into my team

[knotty briar]

Roaring moon kinda dunks on it

[astral kelp]

it doesnt ;-;\

i spent like 2 hours ev testing my entire team

[knotty briar]

At least before tera

[astral kelp]

yeah forces me to tera moon

and yeah

tera fire

clefairy is really good i gotta say

maybe i could run iron valient

lMFAO 5 FAIRY TYPES IF I DO HAHAA

[knotty briar]

Also Zamazenta is much better than Zacian these days

[astral kelp]

yeah considering it

iron is a shit offensive type

and ive missed 4/6 play roughs in my recent games LMAO

[knotty briar]

Fairy types are pretty much limited to Clefairy, Whimsicott, Zacian, and occasionally Weezing

[astral kelp]

zacian is good with weezing because i can stop initimidate

yeah my entiore team LOL

[knotty briar]

Zamazenta runs body press so it doesn't even worry about intim

[astral kelp]

i need a better restricted tbh

maybe zamazentas

but i kinda hate zenta

zacian does so much damage

maybe i run lunala with trick room imprision wide guard lmfao

[knotty briar]

Zamazenta is so difficult to deal with
Iron defense + body press with wide guard support takes care of so much

[astral kelp]

do you think iron defence is good?

[knotty briar]

Dude it's one of the things that make Zamazenta so hard to deal with

[astral kelp]

ive not seen an iron defence in a while man

[knotty briar]

Hold on lemme get the calcs

[astral kelp]

pull em up

fuck im basically reorganizing my entire team lmfao

[knotty briar]

Plus you can tera dragon to completely shut down Oger

[astral kelp]

lol half of these suck

[astral kelp]

god i kinda hate that build