competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Yea I’ll just cope

It’s all I can do, everything sucks

[chrome knot]

on gang on dang

[lost sun]

thoughts

[solid frigate]

It’s literally just my regional team but Replaces Ogerpon and Iron Crown with Chi Yu and Urshifu

[lost sun]

never seen that team

[solid frigate]

and this is why I’m irrelevant

#rental_teams

[lost sun]

do u get rewards for rental teams

[foggy lodge]

Flutter is just kinda unnecesary

Use farigiraf instead of flutter to have a TR mode with hands and a way top fight CIR

Also bulky urshifu spread with sash doesn't make sense and change it to tera water or stellar

Or go mystic water

[lost sun]

forgot about the tera on shifu

[solid frigate]

no? Thats not what you want-

[solid frigate]

and Chi Yu-

[lost sun]

oh yh

[solid frigate]

and Whimsicott (Tera Dark is way better)

[foggy lodge]

Tera water is good for mons like Zama Chien-Pao or fire mons

[lost sun]

chi yu to water?

[foggy lodge]

Its okay

[foggy lodge]

Ghost/ground/fire

Fire seems fine to me if you had Farigiraf

[lost sun]

I'll swap flutter for farig

[foggy lodge]

Cuz it allows you more damage while still having anti fake out with farigiraf

And ground is fine if you play tera blast

[solid frigate]

and at this point just run Arubega Miraidon

[mint void]

my first thought was they just dont know but...they do know...wtf

This shit comes from these shorts and TTs of these Showdown creators with their scripted baby pokemon teamns and so on

they think they can replicate that successfully and just go for weird stuff like that

[lofty tartan]

There's also a large sum of people that don't play legendaries because they think they're "cheap"

[solid frigate]

for a reg F team thats Good but like yeah bro forgot

[lofty tartan]

For some reason people think there's honor duels in Pokemon

[solid frigate]

which is just so wrong cuz Legendaries are very fun

[mint void]

nono its intentional

[lofty tartan]

This ain't your dad's Bushido

[mint void]

Imo its less honorable to run these shit teams cause it gives "I dont respect u"

[lofty tartan]

There's no honor in VGC.

[mint void]

"the others are stupid I can win with this"

[left bobcat]

YEAH WHERES THE HONOR?

[solid frigate]

i just don’t get the hate of using Legendaries

[mint void]

TT

of people playing no legi teams in Uber and stuff

[solid frigate]

Like Honor? Bruh There is no Honor unless you can prove you can play the game

[mint void]

scripted shorts mostly

[lofty tartan]

Like what you play is irrelevant to your "respect" of an opponent. And yeah, these people that ran "no Legends" existed before the scripted shorts

[foggy lodge]

I will become the reddit vgc's king by building nonsense that uses a sub 0.1% and getting master rank with that

[left bobcat]

Still doesn’t explain the “honor”

Or maybe I’m just using slow start

[lofty tartan]

All you gotta do is hit top 50 in-game ladder within the first two hours of the season and post to Reddit about your "accomplishment"

[foggy lodge]

True

[left bobcat]

True

[foggy lodge]

Play arubega mirai with a magikarp and say that magikarp is actually good

[left bobcat]

Ugh

[lofty tartan]

And never take it to a single game.

Magikarp OP

[left bobcat]

FOR HONORRRRRR

[mint void]

Kyogre is just a Magikarp with a fancy reskin

[foggy lodge]

But nah honor in competitive games is such a dumb thing

[left bobcat]

The glow up is real

[bold geode]

Wtf is honor

[lofty tartan]

"I hit top 50 in-game ladder with Magikarp"

Magikarp never saw light of day

"Oh wow so amazing bro goat is the hottest chef"

[bold geode]

I'm a meta abusing slut and I'm not afraid to say it

[foggy lodge]

I'm the meta slave I only use teams from the top players and idc lol

[mint void]

Proof

[lofty tartan]

My philosophy is that if everyone has access to broken OP stuff, I should also use broken OP stuff to level the playing field. 🤷

"Meta slaving" is fine. Why wouldn't you play what wins?

[latent leaf]

When I get violet ima always use rayquaza

My goat might be washed but at least he’s usable

[mint void]

another one

[mint void]

debatable ngl

[lofty tartan]

I don't know who this "Rayquaza" is, but he sounds like a disappointment

[foggy lodge]

I like to play some niche teams but even then I don't trust my teambuilding skill so I end up picking the niche team that did well at a tournament

[bold geode]

He's a bum

But yeah imma use meta unless there's something not like 100% meta that I think is good into it

[lofty tartan]

Cuts to a scene with Rayquaza in a crater

[bold geode]

Like idk if Volcarona is necessarily 100% meta going into Reg I but I got it in my builder rn cuz I think it can be good

[foggy lodge]

For this format I do want to build my own teams

[lofty tartan]

Rayquaza, the Yamcha of VGC 2025

[bold geode]

I need Rayquaza doing the Yamcha pose

DAMN IT HE SAID IT FIRST

[solid frigate]

it’s definitely not a bad pick

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-angry-damn-you-give-all-easy-ones-kid-gif-17292232

[foggy lodge]

I'm pretty sure in the whole reg G both first and second Rayquaza's biggest achievement was one in day 2 of EUIC

[mint void]

my mothy goat

[latent leaf]

Just wait till he gets his mega back

[solid frigate]

honestly like

Idk if Mega Ray can beat the newer legendaries

its speed stat if i recall is 110

[cyan smelt]

Still slower than chien Pao lmao

[rustic mountain]

u get cool points for interesting teams tho

[mint void]

115

[latent leaf]

Delta stream should boost his speed but it doesn’t

[solid frigate]

yeah thats still slower than Palkia origin

[lofty tartan]

Where can I view my cool point wallet balance?

[solid frigate]

and yeah No Miraidon and Calyrex would nuke it

[mint void]

i can tell u

[latent leaf]

Mega Ray is slower than palkia origin?

My goat might truly be washed

[mint void]

yep

[solid frigate]

yeah Palkia origin is 120

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/fbi-gif-2734175389934997010

[solid frigate]

Chien Pao Technically shuts it up but idk

[latent leaf]

Mega Ray should have been faster

Literally god of the skies

[solid frigate]

it has been faster

[mint void]

incin also hates still

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 384: Rayquaza

Types

Dragon/Flying

Abilities

Air Lock

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

105/150/90/150/90/95

Total

680

Other Formes

Rayquaza-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

it got 20 points faster

[foggy lodge]

Ain't no way bro is slower than Urshifu lmaooo

[rustic mountain]

mega ray has enough going for it lol

[mint void]

even. Iirc speed tiers from megas only changed the round after right?

[bold geode]

Mega Ray better

[solid frigate]

Well during gen 6 yeah

i forgot did they do that in Gen 7

[bold geode]

Good stats
Nice ability
And also Mega Rayquaza is one of the megas that doesn't require a mega stone or item to mega evolve

[rustic mountain]

no weaknesses

[latent leaf]

But it’s still weak to fairy and ice

[mint void]

nah no flying weaknesses no?

still has dragons weaknesses

[latent leaf]

Tera flying mega Ray would have no weaknesses

[rustic mountain]

we dont talk about those

[foggy lodge]

It was because the order of moves were decided when you made your input

[solid frigate]

Zacian technically walls SD or DD Mega Ray Sets

[bold geode]

I really doubt if we had a format with mega and tera that you could stack them

[rustic mountain]

nah +2 dragon ascent from mega ray gna hurt

[foggy lodge]

So tailwind wouldn't boost your speed in the same turn

[solid frigate]

yeah but-

Against Zacian tho

[latent leaf]

Maybe Pokemon champions would let us stack gimmicks

[mint void]

X

[solid frigate]

No.

This would be too much

[foggy lodge]

Why would they let you do that

[rustic mountain]

dude i took like half from sor dragon ascent on zama at netural (banded) i think zacian is gna be taking more then that from +2 mega ray lmfao

[bold geode]

Yeah like sure give us Tera Normal Mega Kangashkan

[lofty tartan]

Sure

[rustic mountain]

ew

[lofty tartan]

LOL

[latent leaf]

Tera ghost

[lofty tartan]

Tree's boogeyman, right there.

[bold geode]

It could literally kill shit with Fake Out LMFAO

[solid frigate]

throw this guy to the trashcan

[mint void]

Please just make emboar slow as shit so its usable in TR thanks

[rustic mountain]

just sounds gross to stack mechanics ontop of eachother haha not to mention messy af

[lofty tartan]

Absolutely.

[solid frigate]

like I don’t wanna deal with Primal Groudon Tera Fire Eruption(Actually viable)

[bold geode]

Yeah it'd be messy unless it was like
Maybe the Primals but that'd be busted

[rustic mountain]

i think well get rotating mechanics

[mint void]

Tera Flying Mega Rayquaza Supersonic Skystrike

[bold geode]

Rotating makes most sense

[rustic mountain]

remember the footage shown wasnt actual gameplay doesnt mean its different gen mechanic vs different gen mechanic

[foggy lodge]

I need news about champions aaaaa

[bold geode]

I honestly wouldn't mind if you had access to both as long as they don't stack

[rustic mountain]

i think they had both just to show different mechanics will b in the game

[bold geode]

Honestly y'know what
Code it so you have to choose

[foggy lodge]

I hope another pokemon presents comes soon

[solid frigate]

Like guys

Dynamax Dozogiri. I would not like to deal with that thing

[mint void]

i could at least imagine a mode that allowse for all gimmicks but not stackable on mons. So you have to pick what u do with which,

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger honkhonk

[rustic mountain]

maybe, its just a lot less competitive to have something like that

[bold geode]

Code it so you can only choose one mechanic per game

[lofty tartan]

Too much going on with access to all gimmicks.

[chrome knot]

chien pao/mega lopunny :D

pao bunny core ^-^

[rustic mountain]

already so much u gta factor in already for vgc, now i gta account for every gen gimmick now too?

[lofty tartan]

IT'S PRIMAL GROUDON AND OMG ZACIAN TERA'D TO ELECTRIC TYPE AND IT'S A Z-MOVE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

[mint void]

yeah just as a fun mode. "BS Freak Show" or sth

[solid frigate]

I just wanna try Primal Kyogre+Mega Salamence

[rustic mountain]

right yea i could def see that

[latent leaf]

Why this specific combo

[solid frigate]

Mega Salamence is cool and it actually is fun to use

[chrome knot]

and it was shockingly underwhelming because a z move is an item so u have bitchass dog form zacian 😭😭

[rustic mountain]

lmao yea itd be such a shitstorm they r trynna grow the game not lose ppl

[latent leaf]

It would be funny though

[solid frigate]

Z Moves just sucks

[rustic mountain]

maybe as a pure spectator

[dense latch]

i finally got my 0 IV Iron Hands after like 6 2IV guys im so happy

[bold geode]

I think they'd rather not be funny if it means they could lose money

[rustic mountain]

nice man, now go for 0 speed shiny

[lofty tartan]

Z-move from anyone, not specifically Zacian, just like a plethora of mechanics firing off and you'll lose the palatability of competitive pokemon. Just be a crazy Wild West tire fire.

[dense latch]

bet, see yall in reg j

[solid frigate]

I still remember National Dex AG allow us to use all Gimmicks and i have bad memories on it

[lofty tartan]

People often misconstrue "funny" and "bad idea". Just because something is bad doesn't make it funny, and vice versa. It can just be a bad idea

[dense latch]

my shiny iron hands was actually kinda close to min speed but alas

[mint void]

true

Jumping in the cities river is just a bad idea

[rustic mountain]

yea i got a few w/ decent i was mark hunting it for awhile so i have a bunch of extras

[solid frigate]

this is still the most cursed thing i ever seen in a usage chart

[mint void]

is that Day 2?

[lofty tartan]

I got lucky with marked shiny Hands. I'm like 120+ shiny Flutters in without my Rare Mark 😐

[rustic mountain]

csr boutta b like 40% in reg i

[craggy dagger]

?

[rustic mountain]

look at the picture again

[solid frigate]

yeah its day two,technically it happened but like why

[lofty tartan]

I now hate shiny Flutter Mane

[chrome knot]

i hab female love ball incin with rare mark :D

[chrome knot]

novaaaaa haaaaiiii

[solid frigate]

Lunala yeah i can understand but Eternatus just what

[mint void]

didnt see it lol mb. Only looked at top left

[chrome knot]

imy

[dense latch]

i dont wanna talk about how long my shiny litten took

[rustic mountain]

haha yea happens

[lofty tartan]

I went down to catch a big Grookey and first one was XXXL shiny with a personality mark

[solid frigate]

me with Shiny comfey and Shiny Sandy Shocks

[chrome knot]

waow

[astral kelp]

ilove shiny comfey

[craggy dagger]

huh?

[foggy lodge]

My shiny Chikorita took me 3 days

[astral kelp]

i might actually shiny hunt for it

[chrome knot]

i miss you

[foggy lodge]

Making like 4 sandwiches each day btw

[lofty tartan]

I have a Dusk Mark 4 speed XXXL Amoonguss too.

[solid frigate]

hoi nova

[rustic mountain]

i remember going for shiny ha litten in swsh before ability patches were a thing, i think it w as 4 non ha shinies before i finally got it

new genners dont understand

[chrome knot]

nope not at all

[craggy dagger]

[mint void]

pretty sure it overlaps with Whims/cottonee areas

[chrome knot]

i click buttons and my mons appear

[foggy lodge]

No and I'm happy I don't

[solid frigate]

i just use regular pokemon for most of my teams unless i got the shiny faster than i thought

[astral kelp]

oh yikes

[solid frigate]

sure shiny is cool and it shows dedication but like

[astral kelp]

thats gonna be annoying

might be better to masuda

[lofty tartan]

I only use shinies because if I'm going through the effort of training something and tuning it, it's gonna be shiny

[dense latch]

ability patches were a godsend
mine was after ability patches but i think i went over 2000+ eggs with masuda

[astral kelp]

did you guys see wolfes post

[rustic mountain]

yea i started as a shiny hunter/breeder b4 getting into comp so i just kept along w/ it

[chrome knot]

only time ive really grinded for something on a team was getting the partner mark on my ogerpon

[rustic mountain]

easily one of the best things theyve added in

[lofty tartan]

Shiny hunter to VGC crew 🤜

[astral kelp]

surely thats engagement bait

[solid frigate]

yeah fair,I did shiny hunt before i joined VGC in reg F

[craggy dagger]

[foggy lodge]

Nah that's

That's actually real

[solid frigate]

yeah thats a bit trolling for Wolfe

[rustic mountain]

nah i think he is just high on pagos

[mint void]

what is this abt?

[dense latch]

many pros are high on pagos stocks rn

[rustic mountain]

so r a few other top players

[chrome knot]

whaattt

[foggy lodge]

The bo3 ladder is full of CSR pagos balance

[lofty tartan]

I've put in more than enough time with Masuda Method - I'm glad we have things lik esandwiches now.

[craggy dagger]

i tiredddd

[solid frigate]

Didn’t he rarely ise pagos besides that one GC

[chrome knot]

come nappy

[dense latch]

alex gomez, marco and now wolfe

[astral kelp]

reg i tierlist

[lofty tartan]

SOS chaining and crap

[chrome knot]

nappy are comfy

[foggy lodge]

And they are high account like most 1400 bo3 accounts are using it

[chrome knot]

get some jammies on mmmmmm yummyyy nappyyy

[craggy dagger]

i cant
i gotta doodle some more

[dense latch]

i want pagos to be a fraud imma be honest i hate playing against it

[foggy lodge]

other top players said that actually the full offensive CSR or nasty plot just wasn't that good

[solid frigate]

but he thinks Shadow rider is worse suprises me

[chrome knot]

doodle can wait if ur eepy silly

[foggy lodge]

And some kind of bulky support CSR could be good

[rustic mountain]

wolfey, alex and marco seem to think pagos gets a lot better in reg i and im inclined to agree, i was sayin it had a lot of potential even the other day

[dense latch]

when are we getting a straw pokemon so i can hard counter pagos

[astral kelp]

no i kinda agree csr should be worse in double restricted

[craggy dagger]

but school assignment

[chrome knot]

whens it due

[astral kelp]

since so many wide guard restricted are better

[foggy lodge]

Revavroom

[solid frigate]

i think its slightly worse but not like unusable

Its just only specs kinda works with Pagos now

and specs does respectable dmg

[foggy lodge]

Do we think that pagos takes the first reg I regional

[solid frigate]

i still don’t think Pagos is built in Double res in mind but i might be wrong

[mint void]

nah

[dense latch]

marco did say pagos is like pre indy miraidon

[foggy lodge]

Just look at tomorrow's VR is gonnabe full of pagos

[dense latch]

who knows

[rustic mountain]

single restricted means ur putting all ur eggs in the 1 basket, it skewed some mons strengths cuz they arent necessarily best being the centerpiece, i think pagos fits that bill and its ability to punish tera in general is very understated. players already try to create pins w/ type mus and tera to begin with. to essentially not even have to worry about that with 1 of ur restricteds is insane

[solid frigate]

i mean it only took Japan Nationals and nothing else in NA and EU Tegionals

So its make or break for Pagos

[chrome knot]

it was #1 on bo3 ladder a lil bit ago,,,,

csr/pagos is rlyrly strong

[rustic mountain]

yea

[craggy dagger]

but wide guard-

[foggy lodge]

Not only #1 is like 7? Of the top 10 account are using it

Pagos CSR inci rilla rockpon

[solid frigate]

ok well thats on one player

+I can’t root for pagos for long cuz whenever i stan pagos people hate me

liek dude

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

Give me a fucking break

[dense latch]

this is a really good point actually damn and i’ve been in the pagos mid train

csr forces out so many teras or chips down stuff you can just sweep with pagos in the mid/endgame

[chrome knot]

i have paste if u want :3

[lofty tartan]

Honestly I don't think people really care if you stan Pagos or not. lol

Just talking about the viability of a thing in a thing

[rustic mountain]

sure ty

[gentle crag]

treeco. has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[rustic mountain]

yea was gna say this haha and if they r thats their problem

[foggy lodge]

So yeah I think the top 3 duos atp are cir mirai pagos csr and csr zama

[astral kelp]

im a really big rapagos fan he just feels so nice to play

[solid frigate]

Pre Reg G+ Reg G Wave 1 shows that to me and idk i was kinda slipping with Pagos during testing

[lofty tartan]

I saw a lot of people adamantly wishing for Pagos to be bad because they don't like it but they're all regularly CSR pilled anyway.

[foggy lodge]

Me

[solid frigate]

I might keep play Pagos but with Zacian who knows

[dense latch]

i just don’t enjoy playing against it honestly

[foggy lodge]

I'm best restricted of this moment of themeta pilled

[lofty tartan]

Snapping turtles are mean

[rustic mountain]

the boring fake out redirection cycle w/ cm shouldnt be much of a thing anymore

[foggy lodge]

when the pagos suddenly pulls out burning jealousy against my zama on cart ladder

[solid frigate]

Ok tbf Pagos isn’t a Snapping turtle so you’re good

[rustic mountain]

just kidding!

[latent leaf]

Take the rayquaza pill it’s the coolest legendary

[astral kelp]

I should try rapagos with imprison zamazenta

[solid frigate]

you know what I’ll make another Pagos team

[foggy lodge]

Don't play imprison zama istg is so mid

[astral kelp]

Well yes but it's really fucking funny

[solid frigate]

and post it in the rental cuz fuck you i am gonna become OG pagos Player again

[rustic mountain]

if u play imprison zama never talk to me again

[astral kelp]

I look forward to it lmao

[foggy lodge]

Just use feint at that point

[lofty tartan]

Again, funny and bad are not the same thing

[rustic mountain]

to some ppl it is

[lofty tartan]

I guess

[foggy lodge]

Its gonna be funny until you get walled by a random tera ghost

[solid frigate]

me be like

[rustic mountain]

not even that but theres just other ways to deal w/ it, imprison is so lazy

but also that

[solid frigate]

i think Pagos Zac+ Tang core so far is solid

But like i am not following CSR path

[mint void]

Do we think speed tiers will change? Like CSR going Modest and stuff

[foggy lodge]

Mienshao is good and fast and it has feint

Wait didn't the Mienshaos in reg G drop feint

[lofty tartan]

Like WG/Imprison/Protect/Body Press, die to Flutter?

[solid frigate]

that would make my life more easier as a Miraidon Main

[foggy lodge]

It was fake out cc wide guard and taunt i think

[solid frigate]

Mienshao?

[astral kelp]

But they often overlap

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[mint void]

just an example. I doubt they would give up their advantage of being the fastes relevant mon

[astral kelp]

my wifi dying

[solid frigate]

i mean if CSR is Modest i can run Timid Miraidon(Wait can you remind me what speed is Modest CSR)

[astral kelp]

im not really liking mienshao

[mint void]

202

[solid frigate]

yeah i can run Timid Miraidon

[astral kelp]

ive tried it a few times but all it does is niesh

[lofty tartan]

Debatable lol

Imprison Zama is an example of a bad idea. You can find it subjectively funny, but it's still objectively bad xD

[foggy lodge]

Electabuzz idk

[lofty tartan]

I mean run it, by all means.

[astral kelp]

well funny is just subjective in general idk man

[foggy lodge]

Whatever showdown throws when you put feint on the searcher

[rustic mountain]

cant wait till ppl realize its bad, till then we play around it

[mint void]

might not suck that bad with CSR poss since it at least covers being walled by Ghost mons.

[rustic mountain]

[astral kelp]

most feint users fucking suck

[lofty tartan]

Nah they'll see people play around it and be like "hax. RNG"

[astral kelp]

wait can you /learn moves in discord

[mint void]

Like it sucks but not as bad

[mint void]

with a bot

[foggy lodge]

I miss Porygon2

[lofty tartan]

"It can't possibly be that I've made a bad call, right? No. It's the kids who are out of touch."

[astral kelp]

yeah no you can serch mons but can you search moves

[tiny karma]

Zamazenta's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bite, Body Press, Body Slam, Brick Break, Close Combat, Crunch, Dig, Facade, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Heavy Slam, Ice Fang, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Metal Burst, Metal Claw, Payback, Play Rough, Psychic Fangs, Quick Attack, Retaliate, Revenge, Reversal, Slash, Stone Edge, Tail Slap, Take Down, Thunder Fang, Trailblaze, Wild Charge

Special Moves

Dazzling Gleam, Flash Cannon, Focus Blast, Hyper Beam, Hyper Voice, Moonblast, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Steel Beam, Swift, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Agility, Coaching, Endure, Focus Energy, Guard Swap, Helping Hand, Howl, Imprison, Iron Defense, Laser Focus, Light Screen, Power Swap, Protect, Rain Dance, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Sandstorm, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Wide Guard, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Zamazenta.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

I want Porygon2 to be good but like it doesn't do anything on this format that Farigiraf doesn't

[astral kelp]

i got a shiny one and i cant find a team to use it in :(\

[mint void]

how do you mean? A list of mons that learn the move?

[dense latch]

is metal burst zama the call for naic

[astral kelp]

and armor tail is so fucking good

[astral kelp]

yeah

[mint void]

use SD

[rustic mountain]

biggest issue is, ur essentially trying to tip the mirror in ur favor but then make ur zama worse off into like everything else. its a terrible trade off

[astral kelp]

cant rn

[mint void]

There would be so much clutter in that list with all the preevos

[astral kelp]

oh well

[solid frigate]

feeling like Pagos Zacian Whims Lando Hearth Shifu rn

[astral kelp]

i like it

[foggy lodge]

The core of specs pagos

[astral kelp]

i like how the 4 normal pokemons are just good in every team

btw is it just me or is trick room really good right now

[rustic mountain]

good mons most are pretty splashable

tr seems ok

[mint void]

sorry cant close this pop up wont disappear sry for ping

[foggy lodge]

lol

[rustic mountain]

[lofty tartan]

That was like falling in slow motion

[astral kelp]

bro did you guys hear what nintendo is doing to hard copies

holy shit scout tf2

[rustic mountain]

unfortunately

[astral kelp]

actually disgusting

[rustic mountain]

jus wont be able to buy as many games really which sucks

[chrome knot]

i gib after vr i sowwie

[rustic mountain]

ur good, gl

[mint void]

what the issue? I didnt see

[rustic mountain]

big spike for game prices

[foggy lodge]

Oh I think Sableye VGC was also really high on bo3 with Zacian Kyogre

[astral kelp]

i just wont buy games in general like the fact that you cant own the games you buy is so shit

whats even the point of a physical copy

[rustic mountain]

yea

some carts supposedly dont even have the game on them

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/04f8dea5b54991e6 (I am still in Roaring Moon and Mystic water Urshifu Addiction)

[foggy lodge]

Yeah they only have a code

Also I hope the games prices are a mistake

[lofty tartan]

I like the virtual cart system/family sharing. Means I have to buy 4 copies of a game much less often.

[mint void]

RIP though, as much as I like hard copies I lose them way too often

[foggy lodge]

Cuz ain't no way they suddenly cost 20 dollars more

[lofty tartan]

I can now play games with my daughter using one cart and two systems.

[solid frigate]

I’m buying the games Second Handed so i usually get cheaper pricing

but yeah this is just too much

[astral kelp]

like whats the point???

[left bobcat]

GASP WHERE IS YOUR HONOR?

[solid frigate]

Tera Starstorms

[astral kelp]

also the main reason it took me so long to get into pokemon was the high price

[left bobcat]

DIGS

[astral kelp]

and they decided to ALMOST DOUBLE IT??

[lofty tartan]

They didn't almost double game prices.

That would be nearly 120 dollars for a cart

[solid frigate]

More like 1.5x

do the math pls

like close to that multiplier

[astral kelp]

wait how much are the games in your country ?

[lofty tartan]

60/3 = 20 + 60 = 80

[solid frigate]

i pay for second Handed games so yeah i get a cheaper Bargain

[astral kelp]

60 usd??

wait i gotta double check

[lofty tartan]

I'm looking at Nintendo-published games listed for 80 dollars physical copy in USA

Only recently did games rise to a normal price of 70 USD for AAA titles

[astral kelp]

i thought it would be like 40 - 50

[solid frigate]

welcome to nintendo

and thats excluding any DLC btw

[foggy lodge]

btw

Is mystic water urshifu actually dead

For reg I atleast

For reg G it goes crazy but for gs cup idk

[astral kelp]

yea this is 60 nzd

[lofty tartan]

I mean Pokemon games never really depreciate in value as they grow older, as well. They only appreciate in value. Like good luck finding an older Gen cart.

[mint void]

free

[latent leaf]

Is that a new copy?

[latent leaf]

Or used

[mint void]

why tf is it different

[latent leaf]

Because google is bad

[astral kelp]

idk man

[left bobcat]

WHY 33 dorra?

[astral kelp]

in nz all the games are around that much

how much is the sv dlc for you guys?

[lofty tartan]

That's typical pricing in USA as well.

[mint void]

just a weaker currency

All my game accounts from like riot and stuff are based in turkey lol

[lofty tartan]

I paid like 30 dollars for Teal Mask?

[astral kelp]

weak currency happy wallet

[solid frigate]

im still using it

also i will buy the switch 2 like if there is Gen 10

cuz Mario Kart World does not worth it

[lofty tartan]

There's going to be a Gen 10 lol.

There's not an "if" about that. xD

[mint void]

Im only getting it if I need it for ZA later this year....

[solid frigate]

and yes that means ill play ZA in Switch 1

[mint void]

maybe not even

550 is hard

[left bobcat]

I’m not even gonna play ZA

[astral kelp]

oh that ones about the same

[mint void]

cause I care abt Mario cart. Its like the main use case. Litterally play it all the times with mates over

[astral kelp]

i always look at those prices and think oh its not that bad

then i remember its usd

[mint void]

mf

[astral kelp]

and the dollar fucking shot up

[lofty tartan]

30 USD is not that bad.

[solid frigate]

ZA?

[mint void]

@astral kelp

for switch no Mario

[astral kelp]

like godam

[mint void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoeflwSx3Hg&ab_channel=MoxieBoosted

[astral kelp]

what the fuck

i paid like 300 nzd for my switch oled

[mint void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgvMuJmGNXU&ab_channel=SableyeVGC

[mint void]

just get me one too

Ill come pick it up might even be cheaper(its not)

[astral kelp]

lol maybe

thing is im way too busy to even play on the switch

[lofty tartan]

A slew of really early tier lists is my excuse to peace

[shadow wind]

Can’t believe they would use my goat to get views

[mint void]

In a perfect world Id be too but for now Im still mostly stuck. Next year.

[astral kelp]

For how much they are pricing the switch you can buy a fucking used car

[mint void]

lol yeah.

Bucket List ting is just getting a fucked up car and just doing w/e with it

[solid frigate]

mirai Ogre ftw

[astral kelp]

Wait how much is the minimum wage there?

[mint void]

where?

[astral kelp]

Us

[mint void]

idk im European

[astral kelp]

Less go

Oh wait are you Turkish

[mint void]

Trump still fucked my portfolio so only a small win

[left bobcat]

Turkey sandwich

[mint void]

no German

[astral kelp]

Nvm

Yeah I'm Brazilian I had a savings account with like 200k real and I just watched the real get decimated by the usd

It went from 5-6 real to usd to like 8

[mint void]

google says its at 6 5 hrs ago

[astral kelp]

Wait no other way around 3-5? Something like that

Ooh it's going up again

I guess it wasn't as bad as I remembered

[mint void]

Anyone here biking?

motorcycle not bi

[foggy lodge]

Anyone going to play tomorrow's VR

[mint void]

no

[solid frigate]

can’t cuz sleep schedule change (FORCEFULLY)

[left bobcat]

Just use rest

And chesto berry

[solid frigate]

I WISH THIS METHOD EXISTS

[left bobcat]

Just use wish then

[foggy lodge]

Just spore the hatterene

[astral kelp]

Yknow what's a good thing I've noticed

Amongus use rates have plummeted

[shadow wind]

Not on Bo3…

Swear to god every team has one

[astral kelp]

Unlucky :(

[shadow wind]

But yeah they’ll go down cause more Miraidon

[astral kelp]

Yeah it's awesome

[left bobcat]

AMAZING

[cyan smelt]

I like sussy shroom

[cyan smelt]

conner thoughts on wide lens groudon

[latent leaf]

It’s definitely a set

[astral kelp]

i love that

incineroar moment

[cyan smelt]

eh 93.5 still not great

[mighty stump]

Amoongus is key against Miraidon tho

[cyan smelt]

never disrespect the shroom

[shadow wind]

Trash

Run gravity at that point

[shadow wind]

In what way

[turbid ruin]

anyone want to join my esports team

[foggy lodge]

Redirection

Its honestly very good against Miraidon the only problem is spore being useless most of the time

[astral kelp]

im still waiting for mr groudon to ball hydrapple

yknow in all my hydrapple games i have never hit the fickle beam

[turbid vale]

https://pokepast.es/65b6f11529086775 is my team good in reg i

[atomic mural]

choice specs indeedee

[astral kelp]

scarf urshifu in hard trick room also aqua jet on a psychic terrain team

[left bobcat]

Clear amulet Hatterene

[foggy lodge]

There's a spirit in this

They 6 strong mons just need some tune in the sets

[astral kelp]

swords dance kinda sucks weakness policty is weird

4 psychic types in a team will get you eaten alive by any dark or ghost type

dual wingbeat does nothing on lunala lol

also you prolly want indeedee lunala and cir to have trick room

evs are weird lol you should look at something like munchstats for that

[cyan smelt]

i'm seeing that lunala miraidon team more now

[latent leaf]

What’s the typical set for groudon

[turbid vale]

hoe can i fine tune it

[cyan smelt]

no swords dance on caly-i, no icicle crash, you want protect on there and trick room, 252 hp, 252 atk, 4 spd or 244 hp, never 248, lunala wants either trick room or wide guard and tera fairy, and no speed ivs because it works best in trick room, urshifu with scarf in trick room is bad, you might want to replace it with urshifu single strike with focus sash, indeedee should have safety goggles, rocky helmet or psychic seed and bold or sp def boosting nature, alluring voice, follow me, tr and i personally like heal pulse, i'm not sure how good hatterene is in this format, ursaluna blood moon should be tera normal and have blood moon, hyper voice, earth power and protect.

[left bobcat]

DARK MOVE

[left bobcat]

🐟

Ok

[chrome knot]

avalugg

[astral kelp]

based wide guarder

[cyan smelt]

is it the hisuian one or the regular one

[astral kelp]

looks like hisui

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2335681388

[cyan smelt]

you sure love inaccurate moves

[shadow wind]

Yes

[cyan smelt]

i can't talk when i'm running meteor beam lol

[astral kelp]

What do I even do with these

Got half a mind to throw them away

[cyan smelt]

i'm considering running iron moth but its moveset is underwhelming

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 994: Iron Moth

Types

Fire/Poison

Abilities

Quark Drive

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/70/60/140/110/110

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

Iron Moth's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Facade, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Giga Impact, Lunge, Pounce, Take Down, U-turn

Special Moves

Acid Spray, Air Slash, Bug Buzz, Charge Beam, Dazzling Gleam, Discharge, Ember, Energy Ball, Fiery Dance, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Flash Cannon, Gust, Heat Wave, Hurricane, Hyper Beam, Meteor Beam, Overheat, Psychic, Sludge Wave, Solar Beam, Struggle Bug, Swift, Tera Blast, Venoshock

Status Moves

Agility, Confuse Ray, Electric Terrain, Endure, Helping Hand, Light Screen, Metal Sound, Morning Sun, Protect, Rest, Screech, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Toxic, Toxic Spikes, Whirlwind

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Iron Moth.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

its fast

uhh

heat wave ig

why does it only learn like sludge wave for poision type

venoshock isnt a real move

u turn is nice even with 70 atk

[cyan smelt]

Really bad against any ground type

[astral kelp]

oh yeah jesus

[tiny karma]

Iron Moth [Fire/Poison]

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Fairy, Grass

Resists (0.5x)

Fighting, Fire, Ice, Poison, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Flying, Ghost, Normal, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Psychic, Rock, Water

Weak (4x)

Ground

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.
Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[cyan smelt]

Will stick with ogerpon for now

[chrome knot]

i love terapagos

[astral kelp]

me too its great

i love how immortal it is sometimes

Could be cool to use rapagos and a restricted that can shit on fighting types

Maybe rapagos plus zacian

Rapagos is weak to Uhhh

Zamazenta urshifu iron hands koraidon

[tiny karma]

- [Fighting]

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Dark, Rock

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Ice, Normal, Poison, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fairy, Flying, Psychic

Sableye version 4.28.1

[turbid vale]

@cyan smelt better? https://pokepast.es/7cdc43104898c1ce

[cyan smelt]

looks better but you want life orb on hatt and you want a lot of sp attack for bolt

and more sp def for amoonguss because its def is higher than sp def

oh and you might still want indeedee because otherwise you'll get faked out a lot, and tera dragon on caly-i so you're not weak to water

[swift sleet]

is iron hands good for trick room

i feel like he has good bulk and the speed is alright for TR but overall is he good

[astral kelp]

hes amazing in trick room

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2335798894

encore is so goated

[astral kelp]

this team feels great

hm i should write a program that takes in a bunch of types and adds up all the weaknesses

am i missing something

[lost sun]

why's water in the grass section

[astral kelp]

oh woops

[lost sun]

poison ain't weak to ghost either

[astral kelp]

oh wait what it has no effect on ghost

like i mean no differebce

[lost sun]

just can't hit it for neutral that's all

[astral kelp]

i guess this confused me

no matter how much you play you will always forger

also im dumb i forgot to put in resistances

[lost sun]

I forget dark types are immune to prankster

[astral kelp]

alright this is better

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2335832776
why am i like

100% wr on this

[real prairie]

They are back at it 🥰https://youtu.be/XbLemOwzdxk?si=5wjIblm8cL7vfzME

[mighty stump]

bruh just use Marriland

[astral kelp]

Funner tô make my own program

[distant condor]

Guys for my kyogre team should i use land t as an intimidate user to counter miraidon, bolt and iron hands + help against ogerpon or use evio rhydon to completely shut down those three but it doesnt matchup well against ogerpon (which only my tornadus can do super effective damage)

[cyan smelt]

use lando i instead, it's neutral to ogerpon

and can hit it with sludge bomb

[astral kelp]

i really need protect what should i run instead of the vest

nothing else really gives me the tankyness i need

finally lost a game and it was because i couldnt earthquake protect

[distant condor]

And what can I do miraidon, bolt and hands? My team is kyogre urshifu, rillaboom gholdengo and tornadus so half of them are weak to those three and rhydon has lighting rod

[cyan smelt]

You could run life orb or covert cloak, everyone wants to fake out miraidon

Landorus incarnate deals with all 3

[distant condor]

Ok thx, i will try him

[chrome knot]

tofu terapagos is best restricted

[mighty stump]

What is this conversion

Send sauce

[chrome knot]

cant

but its going to win vr i feel

[mighty stump]

Looking forward to it

R u able to give me the pairing

Did I tell u so far early Reg I 75% GXE Bo3 ladder

[solid frigate]

i mean what pair besides CSR Pagos tho

[cyan smelt]

Zacian pagos

[solid frigate]

I was using that pair-

[mighty stump]

ur mom and deez nuts

[solid frigate]

[astral kelp]

ooh i like that idea

[cyan smelt]

time for some bo3 practice i think

[tiny karma]

[Latest Gen] Lopunny

Ice Punch

• when transferred from Generation 8

Sableye version 4.28.1

[cyan smelt]

lost two in a row, this team's no good i think

[cyan smelt]

won the next 3

[solid frigate]

just fought against a Life Orb Eruption Groudon

failed to OHKO my Lando in solo target

[astral kelp]

whats the team?

[astral kelp]

ive seen that a few times weirdly enough

funny how precimiss blades is so shit they rather run fucking eruption

[cyan smelt]

groudon, lunala, indeedee, ogerpon, bolt, moon

[astral kelp]

which ogre?

[cyan smelt]

hearthflame

[astral kelp]

seems like a pretty reliable tailroom

oh wait yeah obviously hearth

[solid frigate]

i mean its not the first time i seen Eruption in Groudon

Gen 6 Groudon loves Eru[tion
(Does more than Flutter Mane Specs Dgleam?)

[astral kelp]

wait really??

ig 150 bp 100spa vs 90 bp 135 spa

[solid frigate]

150 Spa

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 383: Groudon-Primal

Types

Ground/Fire

Abilities

Desolate Land

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/180/160/150/90/90

Total

770

Base Species

Groudon

Sableye version 4.28.1

Pokémon No. 987: Flutter Mane

Types

Ghost/Fairy

Abilities

Protosynthesis

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

55/55/55/135/135/135

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

oh primal groudon ic

holy shit what the fuck is that statline

[solid frigate]

150 BP 150 SpA Sun Boosted STAB Eruption

[astral kelp]

i like how its a ground fire type

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/groudon-vs-kyogre-gif-21912434

[tiny karma]

Groudon-Primal [Ground/Fire]

Immune

Electric

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fairy, Fire, Poison, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Ground

Weak (4x)

Water

Type Notes

Fire-types cannot be Burned.
Ground-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

holy shit this dude hatesogre

that typing is really good

[solid frigate]

nah not really

[astral kelp]

thats kinda crazy

[tiny karma]

Ability: Desolate Land

On switch-in, the weather becomes Desolate Land, which includes all the effects of Sunny Day and prevents damaging Water-type moves from executing. This weather remains in effect until this Ability is no longer active for any Pokemon, or the weather is changed by the Delta Stream or Primordial Sea Abilities.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Kyogre-Primal [Water]

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Ice, Steel, Water

Neutral damage

Bug, Dark, Dragon, Fairy, Fighting, Flying, Ghost, Ground, Normal, Poison, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Electric, Grass

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

IT STOPS WATER TYPE MOVES?

COMPLETELY??

[solid frigate]

P-Groudon can wall Miraidon if they don't go for Draco (Which tbf i think it lives one)

[astral kelp]

and i cant be stopped by raindance or drizzle

what the actual fuck

[solid frigate]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera Electric Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Groudon-Primal: 273-322 (155.1 - 182.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Nevermind

i can still nuke it

[solid frigate]

Welcome to VGC 2016

[chrome knot]

just switch in ur primal kyogre

[astral kelp]

i thought miraidon was bustyed

[astral kelp]

i mean he is

[solid frigate]

Miraidon is nowhere close to Power of Primals

Mega Ray Maybe but like Primals no shot

[astral kelp]

yeah jesus

no wonder they were autoincludes in every teanm

how int would be not running them with those stats and those abilities

[solid frigate]

the only thing that comes close to Primals Level of power is Just Zacian

gen 8 Zacian

[astral kelp]

how did they nerf zacian?

i know they made the atk buff once per game

[solid frigate]

170->150 Atk
Ability only activates once per battle
Behemoth Blade becomes just a Steel Move
Animations feels horrible

[cyan smelt]

ok won the next 4 not bad

[astral kelp]

wait it wasnt just a steel move before

[solid frigate]

before gen 9 it does double to dynamax mons

[astral kelp]

stellar move lmao

[solid frigate]

aka similar to Terapagos,an Anti Gimmick move

[astral kelp]

interesting

170 atk is pretty crazy

because its not 170

[left bobcat]

Yes very interesant

[astral kelp]

ist 170*1.5

[solid frigate]

Kyurem Fusions already did that

[astral kelp]

yeah but kyurem is ass

[solid frigate]

ok Kyurem white is not ass

insert PTSD

[left bobcat]

KYUREM WHITE ISNT

[astral kelp]

dude im number 1 kyurem white lover and even i know hes ass

[left bobcat]

BLIZZARD AND BLIZZARD

[solid frigate]

are you sure about that statement-

[left bobcat]

BLIZZARD FOR YOU BLIZZARD FOR ME BLIZZARD FOR EVERYONE

[astral kelp]

exaggerating ofc

[solid frigate]

i got double freezed by that b-

[astral kelp]

but i spent like 20 hours trying to make kyurem good`

[astral kelp]

i think i ended on this

then i stoppped trying and added comfey lol

[solid frigate]

Drago did that for more than 1 week

[cyan smelt]

kyogre is still king imo

[astral kelp]

oh cool what did he end up on

where are the kyurem supporters when i was building it wtf

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago (ID 465881273454559252)

[Message](#rental_teams message) in #rental_teams
Name: Freezer Burn
Format: VGC 2024 Regulation Set G
Code: 75V8RF
Pokebin/Paste: https://pokebin.com/791ba59ec457d5c5
Notes: https://dragosden.wixsite.com/dragosden/post/freezer-burn

Command triggered by morrispxg456. Message from · Jul 17, 2024, 9:45 PM

[solid frigate]

he did that ages ago

[left bobcat]

Back in the old days

Back during Volos time

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/giratina-anime-cyrus-pokemon-nintendo-gif-3465768042733548864

[astral kelp]

huh i don get it why ursaluna

[left bobcat]

Because why not

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-dance-toothless-gif-5811329944095029800

https://tenor.com/view/calyrex-ghost-calyrex-shadow-rider-astral-barrage-pokemon-gif-12499362770308053912

[astral kelp]

i can tell this is like 10x better than my tema

[astral kelp]

right

its interesting because its similiar to my team the more i think about it

instead of ursaluna to deal with trick room csr and miraidon im running tera normal flutter and rilla for miraidon

[cyan smelt]

10-3 so far in bo3, that's pretty decent all things considered

[astral kelp]

whimsycot does seem like a better option than tornadus

only problem with it is no snowscape but the game isnt that relient on it

av kyurem makes a lot of sense he prolly considers that it does enough damage to kill a lot of stuff and type coverage is really good

i dont really like non sash a9 but i did try it a bit

[swift sleet]

I just reread the reg I restricted mons and pgerpon is there

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon is not a restricted lol

[swift sleet]

Oops mb I meant he's not there

And I'm happy

Anyone dt 1v1?

[tiny karma]

Iron Boulder [Rock/Psychic]

Resists (0.5x)

Fire, Flying, Normal, Poison, Psychic

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Ice, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Dark, Ghost, Grass, Ground, Steel, Water

Type Notes

Rock-types take no damage from Sandstorm.
Rock-types have their Special Defense increased by 50% in a Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

jesus 7 weaknesses

[cyan smelt]

can be faster than caly-s with booster energy though

[astral kelp]

yeah pretty crazy

its got decent defensive stats

like ehhh stats

whats better psycho cut or zen headbut

[cyan smelt]

night slash

[tiny karma]

Move: Night Slash

Has a higher chance for a critical hit.

Type

Dark

Category

Physical

Power

70

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

15 (24)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

bro

[cyan smelt]

wait throat chop

[astral kelp]

oh yeah true

fuck close combat

maybe a sash set?

[cyan smelt]

yeah it's pretty frail

[astral kelp]

252 Atk Iron Boulder Throat Chop vs. 28 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow Rider: 204-244 (113.9 - 136.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO ez

[cyan smelt]

they're usually sash though

[left bobcat]

Arizona

[astral kelp]

this could be a team

its possible

OR

[solid frigate]

wtf.

[cyan smelt]

super annoying how the miraidon teams have added caly-i to them

[astral kelp]

or we can do some funny dragon cheer shinanigans

[solid frigate]

i'm so dissapointed-

[vocal plume]

About or in what?

[left bobcat]

WOOOOOOO

[astral kelp]

its actually not feeling bad somehow

iron juggy is actually feeling kinda insane in ogre miraidon

snarl tailwind rain hurricane is crazy

i really wanna play weezing

why cant it stop calyrex thats some bullshit

[tiny karma]

Ability: Power Spot

This Pokemon's allies have the power of their moves multiplied by 1.3. This affects Doom Desire and Future Sight, even if the user is not on the field.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[next stump]

anyone here playing the victoryroad Reg I tourney?

[foggy lodge]

I wish

But I'm busy today

[left bobcat]

Stop the cap

[chrome knot]

i wish but

im stuck playing reg g local

[left bobcat]

Nuh uh

[bold geode]

It's a stinky

[left bobcat]

Jajajajaja

[foggy lodge]

Would solar blade ogerpon with groudon be a really bad idea or am I a genious

[mighty stump]

bad

[bold geode]

Hey Tofu

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1017: Ogerpon

Type

Grass

Abilities

Defiant

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

80/120/84/60/96/110

Total

550

Other Formes

Ogerpon-Wellspring, Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Ogerpon-Cornerstone, Ogerpon-Teal-Tera, Ogerpon-Wellspring-Tera, Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera, Ogerpon-Cornerstone-Tera

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

60 SpA 😭

Idk how worth solar blade would be lol

[dense latch]

solar blade is physical

still wood hammer is prob better

[spiral ridge]

Is it? Oops

[tiny karma]

Move: Solar Blade

This attack charges on the first turn and executes on the second. Power is halved if the weather is Hail, Primordial Sea, Rain Dance, or Sandstorm and the user is not holding Utility Umbrella. If the user is holding a Power Herb or the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, the move completes in one turn. If the user is holding Utility Umbrella and the weather is Desolate Land or Sunny Day, the move still requires a turn to charge.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

125

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Charge

Has a charging turn.

Contact

Makes contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

Oh it is
I’m prob thinking beam or smth

[dense latch]

yea solar beam is special

[spiral ridge]

My b

[dense latch]

all good it’s very easy to confuse those two

with how little solar blade is seen

[solid frigate]

https://youtu.be/2kVFJeL91IE?si=jpAkuWO_YjRkDpm6

Wolfey took it back

[knotty mirage]

Damn

[thorn fulcrum]

How good are Dodozo and Tatsuigiri in Competitive? I plan on adding the two to a team but don’t know what to put on each of them.

[foggy lodge]

They are pretty good yeah

Dondozo is usually leftovers

[thorn fulcrum]

Anyone have any good set ideas?

[foggy lodge]

Tatsugiri could need a different set depending on the team

Share the team to see what could be the best

[thorn fulcrum]

It’s going on a doubles team with a Tailwinding Corviknight and Garchomp

Don’t know what to do for the last two slots

[foggy lodge]

Remember that the VGC format rn is a restricteds format with 1 big legendary per team

First look at a restricted mon to use

[thorn fulcrum]

This is just to beat the crap out of a friend but if I like the team I might grind the ladder with it

Normally we have a gentleman’s rules of 2 legendarys/mythcals, and no limits on paradox’s but he has zero idea how busted they are except for Iron Valiant and Roaring Moon

And I’m going to have to try and deal with my own gentleman’s rules I set up

Anyone got any advice?

[next stump]

glimmora to poison everything and then leftovers dondozo to stall out the game

ruin your friendship

[thorn fulcrum]

Also the Garchomp is Tera Ghost to counter Maushold

Would love to bring Husain Samurrot but that would be 3 water on one team

Could bring Ice Rider Calirex, I built it to be bulky

[bold geode]

@next stump can I bounce some math off of you? I'm tryna figure out something

[next stump]

sure what’s up

[solid frigate]

Its good but get ready to be hated by everyone

[bold geode]

So grassy Terrain is 1/16
Meaning if I had 16 HP I'd get 1 HP each time
But if I had 8 I'd get like half or whatever correct (just simple multiples)

[solid frigate]

monke doing math

[thorn fulcrum]

I just think that the ability they have is neat and want to try it

[bold geode]

Basically divisibles of 16 I'd get a full value meanwhile divisibles of 8 there's technically a fraction right

[next stump]

yes, and pokémon truncates fractions

[bold geode]

Wait nvm it rounds down right

[next stump]

anything after the whole number doesn’t count

so like 15.75 is just 15

[bold geode]

Damn
I was running Lefties CM Kyogre and I was wondering if there was a difference between running 192 final HP vs 200 since it's a point shy of 208

[solid frigate]

Math

[bold geode]

I forgot the round down

[next stump]

yeah you would need 208HP stat to start getting 13HP instead of 12

which I feel like is impossible on kyogre

but i don’t remember its max HP

[bold geode]

It's 207

[next stump]

RIPPP lol

[bold geode]

Yeah same shit happens to Rillaboom LMAO

[solid frigate]

Monke when doing math

[bold geode]

Rillaboom's max HP technically isn't the maximum optimal either cuz it shares the same base HP as Kyogre

So I'll just run 192 HP on Kyogre and focus on the other stats for bulk

[solid frigate]

196?

unless i did not get the memo

[bold geode]

Most optimal healing for it is divisions of 16

[solid frigate]

ah ok

Remind me to run 192 HP evs Terapagos lol

[bold geode]

196 is a divisible of 4 so like
Technically you still get the same amount of recovery from 207 as you do 192

[solid frigate]

huh

ok cool

[bold geode]

So basically since I'm not running Water Spout, unless there's a specific spread of calcs I need the extra HP for (which I don't see right off the bat cuz the defense stats have more weight) I can't see any reason to run more HP on Kyogre than 192

[pine lotus]

In your opinions is swampert just a better gastrodon?

[solid frigate]

Its kinda the opposite

[pine lotus]

oh

[left bobcat]

oh

[thorn fulcrum]

Alright I feel like I was Walter White in his van when cooking up the team for the Wi Fi battle I’m doing.

Dondozo
Tatsugiri
Garchomp
Corviknight
Calyrex
Latios

All with competive movesets and items

Just ignore the massive Ice weakness

[solid frigate]

which Caly and Why Garchomp is here

[thorn fulcrum]

Ice Rider

[solid frigate]

Recommend Shadow Rider with this team,Latios can change to something else cuz its kinda dead weight

Same as Chomp

[thorn fulcrum]

Garchomp worked well with flying types with EQ against the Idiot I’m fighting in about 20 minutes

Also the person I’m battling doesn’t know competitive Pokemon

[mint void]

half this team has tiny to no viability imo

[solid frigate]

its only Chomp and Corv but i can give a case for corv

[mint void]

Shouldnt they all be 100?

that makes no sense

[vocal plume]

Has anyone considered using a mon like Kyurem-Black or White?

Ik it's probs cause typing is awful but like

[foggy lodge]

Kyurem White can be good for this format

It was used in previous gs cup formats

[vocal plume]

Hm ok

I'll have a gander then

DNA splicers just popped up in the auction area of Porto Marinada so I thought I'd get it

[mint void]

brother

all items corresponding to legends will pop up there if you own that mon

[vocal plume]

Ok. You want to know something?

I didn't know that

[mint void]

i figured thats why Im telling you

[vocal plume]

I mean ffs I had to search up what DNA splicers were

[left bobcat]

DNA

SCIENCE AND ALL THAT SHI

[vocal plume]

Bruh I had zero clue what they did

[dense latch]

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[left bobcat]

YEAH ALLAT

[solid frigate]

Time for the big finale by using Terapagos on final GC

[cyan smelt]

i thought you gave up using terapagos

[solid frigate]

see i was actually using an Advanced Technique called

LYING

[cyan smelt]

it's hard to give up ur favs

[grizzled island]

Anyone know if this is a good app for remembering pokémon

[solid frigate]

ehhhh depends

[grizzled island]

Like for base stats

I'm just horrible with remembering 😭

Shows this In the app so I'm excited

[next stump]

pokemon showdown is a lot better for remembering stats like speede

well i shouldnt say better

because i've never used that app

but it does show you every single pokemons' speeds in your games

[grizzled island]

That's so cool

THIS APP IS SO COOL OMG

Bro I like this

[solid frigate]

Dillon they put Terapagos in a Kirby Game

[left bobcat]

OMG KIRBY x POKEMON

[bold geode]

@chrome knot we might stan the feesh

[chrome knot]

im on csr pagos

[bold geode]

Are you doing that basic ass Incin Rilla team LOL

[chrome knot]

:3

[bold geode]

LOL

I don't blame ya
Is it actually worth a shit

[tiny karma]

Weezing [Poison]

Resists (0.5x)

Bug, Fairy, Fighting, Grass, Poison

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Rock, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground, Psychic

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Weezing-Galar [Poison/Fairy]

Immune

Dragon

Resists (0.25x)

Bug, Fighting

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fairy, Grass

Neutral damage

Electric, Fire, Flying, Ghost, Ice, Normal, Poison, Rock, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Ground, Psychic, Steel

Type Notes

Poison-types cannot be Poisoned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[bold geode]

I see people do Zam CSR that way
Idk if it's right though
(Sorry if ping bothered ya, I was swimming thru text wall)

[tiny karma]

Zacian-Crowned [Fairy/Steel]

Immune

Dragon, Poison

Resists (0.25x)

Bug

Resists (0.5x)

Dark, Fairy, Flying, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock

Neutral damage

Electric, Fighting, Ghost, Steel, Stellar, Water

Weak (2x)

Fire, Ground

Type Notes

Steel-types cannot be Poisoned.
Steel-types take no damage from Sandstorm.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[torn parrot]

Just remember

❤️

Also yeah do showdown

[tiny karma]

Ogerpon-Wellspring [Grass/Water]

Resists (0.25x)

Water

Resists (0.5x)

Ground, Steel

Neutral damage

Dark, Dragon, Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Fire, Ghost, Grass, Ice, Normal, Psychic, Rock, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Bug, Flying, Poison

Type Notes

Grass-types are immune to Powder-based Moves.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

has anyone tried Zacian Zamazenta

zaciazenta?

i feel like they could combo well with weezing

you can choose exactly when to prock it

their ability that is

[left bobcat]

Soda

[astral kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-soda-shaking-explode-orange-cat-gif-16941493478810774062

[foggy lodge]

Playing two single target restricteds in this meta just feels bad

[polar canyon]

So how's the meta going

Is it exactly what people expected

Zama csr?

Is zama csr on top?

[foggy lodge]

Its pretty good but I don't think it's the destructive machine that people expected

Zama CSR, CIR Mirai and Pagos CSR are the best I think

[cyan smelt]

i think lunala miraidon is pretty strong

[bold geode]

@torn parrot whatchu got in builder

[brazen bough]

what is the zamazenta combo rn

[cyan smelt]

Zama csr, Zama with imprison

[foggy lodge]

Zamazenta+ any special atk restricted

[cyan smelt]

Miraidon + electric seed lunala seems strong too

[turbid vale]

can anyone help me build a perish song team

[astral kelp]

yeah trye

[balmy glen]

Whatever I make in a month

trust 🙂

[astral kelp]

is intimidate the main reason why zacian is kinda mid?

[bold geode]

Zam CSR, Zam Lunala, Zam Ogre, Zam + other strong special restricted

[bold geode]

pulls up with the Zam CSR Incin Rilla shit

[balmy glen]

Too easy man

Run me my 100% acc

[bold geode]

Honestly
Valid
I'm probably dumb but I feel that core is wrong

[left bobcat]

Brand new brand new

ITCHY ITCH

I just came up with the best ability

Itchy an ability that increases power because of the itchiness but the mon hurts itself in the process

PAIR THAT UP WITH A LIFE ORB 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[heady onyx]

It's a very powerful Pokemon, Intimidate tend to ''check'' any physical Mon in a way.

That is why Mon such as Landorus, Incineroar and Salamence have been used with great success.

[left bobcat]

Yep

[bold geode]

Intimidate good but main reason was cuz of the nerf it got after Gen 8
Sure it could be Intimidated before but back then you just could switch out and back in and have your boost back
Now once it's gone it's gone
That being said, now in double restricted it's quite a bit better

[heady onyx]

Zacian is overstatted. It is overpowered by design, I cant be the only one to know this surely

[bold geode]

?

[heady onyx]

you answer to zacian being mid

[bold geode]

Brother why you gotta come off at me like that

[heady onyx]

im clearing the confusion

[bold geode]

I was just explaining the difference between before and now as well cuz that ties in to why it's worse now?

[heady onyx]

nah

it's okay don't worry

[bold geode]

Hello Snoop Dogg

Anyways
Zacian actually good now
Second restricted really helping it

Glad for the dog

[astral kelp]

he has like a free howl on switch in and insane typing mostly

it does seem zac kyogre could be good

im considerin using him with weezing to stop intimidate

since his ability is once per game it doesnt sound too bad

idk what restricted to combo with tho

maybe something with ability shield lol

terrapagos eternatus are both mid tier restricted that work well with weezing

then you got palkia giratina and dialha who are just extremely shit

oh wait as one cant be deactivated ill just use csr

[swift sleet]

is this a good TR team

im using rentals so i can understand whats a good team

[bold geode]

Yes

[mighty stump]

bro

[bold geode]

Bro

[mighty stump]

my opp ff’d cuz my team already hit finals

[bold geode]

LOL

[swift sleet]

damnnn

[bold geode]

We take those

[swift sleet]

is urshifu good for tr

cuz im using him in my standard team

[bold geode]

More for outside TR / in TR when opponent is really fast

[swift sleet]

bet

[mighty stump]

im so sad tho

[bold geode]

How so

[mighty stump]

I wanted to play

Lol

[bold geode]

Lol

[mighty stump]

Free wins are unearned

[bold geode]

Fair