competitive_discussion

[astral kelp]

houndstone i mean

[solid frigate]

well it just did,Yotam Approved my greninja set

Took down quite a few restricteds

[lost sun]

cus dog

[solid frigate]

dog

[molten oasis]

Dead dog go fast in sand cuz it’ll drift away

[cyan smelt]

Nice glad you found something niche that works

[solid frigate]

wait that works on the context

[astral kelp]

is lycanrock even slightly good

[solid frigate]

i think i have the OG team on when i try Greninja in Reg G Wave 1

[astral kelp]

shit statlineehh

[lost sun]

doesn't look good

[cyan smelt]

Was kelsch's Zama team from reg g wave 1 because I was using mine in reg g wave 1

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/5f8a8e0978e671a0 (Old CIR Greninja)
https://pokepast.es/0723eb6175d55c4f (Current CIR Greninja)

[solid frigate]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

Oh

[solid frigate]

also yes i tried to use Enamarous on CIR Greninja-

until i realise it does no damage

[astral kelp]

this actually doesnt sound like the worst thing

[solid frigate]

Wait what are you doing-

[astral kelp]

sandstorm team

[solid frigate]

you can try a Zamazenta that has Sand

@cyan smelt can you find it for me i am lazy

and i hhave no caffine in my system

[lost sun]

if u have 4 mons with last respects and use it on all 4 enemy mons what happens

[solid frigate]

isn't Last respect only go to 200 BP in VGC

[lost sun]

wait wrong attack

[astral kelp]

50-200 bp isnt bad at a

[lost sun]

what's the attack that takes down Ur opponent but also ur Mon at the same time

[astral kelp]

yea im playing around with it

ilprollyuse goggle incin

[solid frigate]

goggle incin and Corv does not look bad

[astral kelp]

corv is dogshit man

i tried it

[solid frigate]

not reallu it has a niche

Something something Mirror armor Bulk up Power Trip

[molten oasis]

Brother

Paoshifu gonna have an absolute blast with you

ESPECIALLY shifu

And lando

[solid frigate]

So basically

Excadrill,Ttar,Zama,Indeedee with Goggles,Corviknight and just some flex mon like Water Pon or something

But like Drago said

Pls dont make your life harder

[lost sun]

wba gastrodon

[astral kelp]

It's in progress lmao

[molten oasis]

Gonna be honest

Why ttar zama

[astral kelp]

Good idea actually

[molten oasis]

I think sand is kinda shit rn

[lost sun]

ye

[astral kelp]

Well obviously

The goal isn't a good team

[solid frigate]

Drago the fact that Ttar Zama i can close 1 eye on jr cuz it has used

But everything else

GOD NO

[lost sun]

may aswell swap hound stone for flutter

[astral kelp]

The whole point of houndstone is sand rush

[shadow wind]

Booster flutter outspeeds anyway

[astral kelp]

Yeah that's true

[lost sun]

flutter with no EVs in speed outspeeds

[molten oasis]

What’s the goal then I’m confused

[astral kelp]

Idk kinda running of ideas

[molten oasis]

Bruh

You ain’t gonna get anywhere without a goal

[lost sun]

nvm I forgot to double houndstones

[astral kelp]

nah im just playing around with sand and seeing the synergies it has while watching a show and working on a game

its the ultimate adhd multitasking

[lost sun]

fair

[solid frigate]

i have ADHD and Autism and i have no issue lmao

[astral kelp]

the ballin

[bold geode]

Damn you chromed out like me

[astral kelp]

im not saying its an issue lol

[solid frigate]

exactly lmao

[astral kelp]

this entire chat is prolly the same lmao

[bold geode]

VGC players are all neurodivergent

Yeah that's right
I know big words

[astral kelp]

im trying to get medicated

[fringe fossil]

thats beautiful. Slap some subway surfers pov on there too and ur perfect

[astral kelp]

i have to pay 1k for it

to get medicated

[astral kelp]

i already have an adhd diagnosis but they have to redo it its so dumb

[lost sun]

fr

[astral kelp]

80 bucks administration fee + 50 bucks for every repeat prescription

having adhd is expensive man

[solid frigate]

i have ADHD when i was 3

And now i dont need to take medicine now

[astral kelp]

i mean you still do but you can live without it

[solid frigate]

and its all because

I like trains

[astral kelp]

ive been living without medicine for like 10 years now? i stopped taking it in hs

[lost sun]

the whole of asdf movies just replayed in my head now

[bold geode]

Cozy vibes

[solid frigate]

damn

[lost sun]

do those slightly opened drawers not bother u

[bold geode]

Nah not really

Like shit is disorganized but like it's organized in that sense

[astral kelp]

This is my view in my work area

[bold geode]

Is that actually real or

[astral kelp]

ye

right out the window

my desk is a mess tho

[bold geode]

Where TF do you work

[solid frigate]

bro has OCDs

[astral kelp]

this is my house lol

[bold geode]

My desk is like a portable folding table desk

[astral kelp]

nz is so beautiful

[solid frigate]

my room is still so messy i might clean in up during term break

[bold geode]

Bro lives like Ashton Hall

[molten oasis]

Close ur drawers my guy

[lost sun]

or open the rest

[bold geode]

No

[cyan smelt]

I wish Brisbane was streamed, I'd rather watch a stream than stand around watching people play switches

[solid frigate]

lol

[bold geode]

Opening them all would actually bother me

[molten oasis]

[lost sun]

ye but it would be evenly chaotic

[bold geode]

Actually imma fuck y'all up even more real quick hol up

[solid frigate]

tbf they usually only stream NA and EU so yeah- unless there is no other events then OCE would stream ig

[cyan smelt]

I'm looking forward to seeing what wins Brisbane

[molten oasis]

[dense latch]

i think suica wins it

with his cir screens team

[molten oasis]

Should’ve kept my mouth shut

[lost sun]

watch him send an image of a carpeted bathroom

[bold geode]

I had one at my old house, genuinely ass

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/87b7e24f0e4d776e

Updated Core for my Regional team

[bold geode]

Excuse me?

[lost sun]

excuse u what ?

[bold geode]

Why are there shit stains on your floor to begin with

[solid frigate]

wtf

[bold geode]

Did you not make it in time

[lost sun]

wytab

[bold geode]

Nah you ain't gonna pretend like you ain't just say there were shit stains on ur floor

[lost sun]

when

[tiny karma]

Move: Tachyon Cutter

Hits twice. If the first hit breaks the target's substitute, it will take damage for the second hit. This move does not check accuracy.

Type

Steel

Category

Special

Power

50

Accuracy

—

PP (max)

10 (16)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Slicing

Boosted by Sharpness.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lost sun]

my bathroom ain't even carpeted

[astral kelp]

why black belt huh

[lost sun]

cus that's what experts get

[bold geode]

Beeg boosts lol

[next stump]

maybe for the ogerpon-rock calc

[shadow wind]

Why not lorb though?

[astral kelp]

oh wait no i thought that was sunglasses

[solid frigate]

CIR NUKE kek

[lost sun]

w gif

[azure tapir]

Anyone have any tips for bringing froslass into ranked matches? Doubles or singles... I mainly play doubles. Anyways I'm asking because froslass is one of my favorite pokemon and is the only one of my favorite I don't have a team for

[solid frigate]

HP drain feels unecessary especially it cost some games

[shadow wind]

Valid

[lost sun]

vakud

[solid frigate]

also it does nuke Groudon and CIR before

Urshifu spread feels so optimised lmao

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/10aefd95aef0f0c8 chat im no longer gonna run weezing

[rustic mountain]

sorry man froslass rn is not good in vgc i doubt ud find any team w/ it on it

[solid frigate]

character arc

[azure tapir]

😭

[rustic mountain]

doesnt mean u cant try and slot it onto a pre existing team but idk wat role it would even fulfill in the current meta

[azure tapir]

All of my favorite pokemon aren't good 😭

[rustic mountain]

join the club

id wait honestly for like

a regional dex where froslass is available

[atomic mural]

[rustic mountain]

prolly atleast workable then

but w/ legends and restricteds in the fray, so many mons become basically unuseable

[solid frigate]

sceptile moment

[azure tapir]

🤣🤣

[rustic mountain]

yep

[solid frigate]

at least i am out of the club now that Yotam approved my Greninja

[rustic mountain]

nah greninja still sucks man

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Greninja Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Assault Vest Kyogre: 132-156 (63.7 - 75.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rustic mountain]

jfc

[solid frigate]

i am fine with 2HKO an AV Kyogre lol

[forest arrow]

Frost Breath Anger point Tauros GGs

lol

[azure tapir]

I only just got into actual online play recently... It hurts! didn't play swsh until recently and I feel like all of my favorite pokemon are in the dumps.

[rustic mountain]

1 av is barely used on kyogre anymore and 2 i dont take a calc like that in a vaccum too heavily cuz theres so many other things going on like tera, the partner, switching etc for that value in that 1 instance to even be consistent enough to want

[solid frigate]

i mean by that logic everything does not work on the calc under tera but whatever this is a one off

[rustic mountain]

do u mean sv? swsh comp is pretty outdated at this point

[rustic mountain]

i didnt say i didnt take calcs into consideration im sayin in the specific instance of the one you provided

cause even just doing calcs u need to factor in all those other things i mentioned anyway beforehand

[forest arrow]

Proud of you

[rustic mountain]

few more days likely till we see wat new format well be playing

[atomic mural]

im on my wholesome arc thank you

[gentle crag]

cornyplays has given 1 Gen Rep to throwdatahh

[solid frigate]

at least that kyogre in round 1 did not tera infront of it(Thanks GC and its dumbass CTS)

[forest arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-doing-now-homer-simpson-hmm-thinking-whistle-gif-17896520

We all just here waiting

[foggy lodge]

I really want double restricted because its less match up roulette lol

[next stump]

give me a format where i can run amoonguss/gholdengo again

[rustic mountain]

yea it def seems to be ok in bo1, i just think greninja is a tough mon to make work, like most other starters cause u also have to deal with the opponent running weird stuff too and also just strong mons that can also tera or just outright threaten u

[rustic mountain]

real

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dialga-gif-26879568

[forest arrow]

I’d take reg f or h again

[rustic mountain]

i want like reg a or b

[lost sun]

reggae is pretty good

[rustic mountain]

we never got a sv regional dex format for worlds

[forest arrow]

Damn series 1 wouldn’t be bad to visit either

that’s where it all began for me lol

[solid frigate]

Garchomp time all over again lmao

[rustic mountain]

we got legends year 1, restricted year 2, regional year 3 would be weird but would set it up for dres for year 4 since we are clearly not getting gen 10 till later next year

unless they line up champions w/ the end of svs life cycle to carry us into gen 10

[lost sun]

they ever gonna release shiny legends

[cyan smelt]

Legendaries are gonna be shiny locked from now on, calling it

[dapper crag]

It makes me so happy to watch a calyrex faint oml

[rustic mountain]

nah they r just gna have em all huntable in gen 10 to make ppl buy them

[dapper crag]

Hope it has the hardest fall off

[cyan smelt]

And make gen 10 switch 2 exclusive

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-peter-horse-family-guy-lois-griffin-gif-27498457

[forest arrow]

ahem After you get the dlc

[rustic mountain]

yes ofc

[foggy lodge]

Oh the switch 2 direct is in some days

[forest arrow]

lol

Oh true, pre orders for that should be soon

[foggy lodge]

is anyone going to watch it

[solid frigate]

nah champions would make them even more busted

[cyan smelt]

I'll watch but it's probably on at midnight

[atomic mural]

i bet hey wont but if they show any games it better be a new 3d mario or smash 6 with no steve

[foggy lodge]

Honestly I only play Pokémon so idk lol

[solid frigate]

Primal Groudon+CSR

Nah man i am outta here

[cyan smelt]

Primal Groudon + xerneas again

[forest arrow]

Real

[foggy lodge]

Atp I only play Pokemon, ace attorney and smash sometimes

[solid frigate]

i think i made a tier list on champions if there is double res

[foggy lodge]

And I'm already accepting ace attorney 7 is not coming soon

[molten oasis]

I have to go buy a new bike tomorrow/monday

[lost sun]

this why gen 6 will always be the best

[molten oasis]

My electric one’s wire got clipped on something and now it’s dead

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

i like gen 6

But comp gen 6 is just god no.

[solid frigate]

Champions but double res

[rustic mountain]

bruh

[foggy lodge]

You are looking too into the future lol

[solid frigate]

idk i just tweeted since the livestream ended

[molten oasis]

Why am I warming up to reg h again

[foggy lodge]

Its not coming back drago

[molten oasis]

I didn’t enjoy the format, why am I like accepting it would be fine

[rustic mountain]

cuz it was a solid format

[foggy lodge]

Ane we all have to live with it

[solid frigate]

bro i play Miraidon lmao

[molten oasis]

No I know

I’m just confused lmao

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

I'm the happiest person with it getting obliterated

[molten oasis]

I hated that format for so long

[rustic mountain]

reg g 2 is just that bad

[molten oasis]

probably

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

i am happy to get out of reg H

But sad i can't use my Garchomp sylveon team

[forest arrow]

It’s felt so long that’s for sure

[molten oasis]

Single res formats just don’t seem that fun ngl

[foggy lodge]

Final reg H was getting solid

[molten oasis]

And they aren’t that fun

[atomic mural]

bro isnt just thinking about the future he IS the future

[foggy lodge]

Actually what do y'all think was the strongest reg H team

[molten oasis]

Yea like towards the end I though reg h was better

[foggy lodge]

I think it was erizabeth rain

Specifically erizabeth's version

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/miraidon-pokemon-vgc-violet-electric-terrain-gif-12584623631968381813

[molten oasis]

Sneasler dnite balance comps, whatever was big on rain or the Zard sun comps, I think at least

MOSTLY sneasler dnite balance and rain

[foggy lodge]

Dnite Electabuzz Rilla was broken too

[cyan smelt]

I find lorb miraidon way harder to play against than specs mirai

[molten oasis]

Sneasler pult being really good in like the middle was fun

A9 being meta was POG

[solid frigate]

Reg F is still peak

It was achtually Archaludon who made me join VGC

[rustic mountain]

[cyan smelt]

It was nice that primarina got a chance to shine

[dense latch]

i loved pult sneasler balance

[rustic mountain]

for 2 seconds

[molten oasis]

Prima went from being good to “it exists”

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Prima felt better in reg f for me

[solid frigate]

LMFAO

[foggy lodge]

The bullshit brothers

[molten oasis]

Primarina just, I’m sorry rilla is awful for it

[solid frigate]

i want a reg F rerun for real-

[rustic mountain]

i liked the bascu rain team i made it was goodge

[forest arrow]

Electabuzz and Magmar went crazy that format

[molten oasis]

Sneasler is awful for it, It doesn’t do much into dengo

[dense latch]

leading magmar + pult into cart low ladder was fun

[molten oasis]

Electabuzz wasn’t good for it

[solid frigate]

reg F feels like a complete regulation

[cyan smelt]

Arch was terrible for it

[solid frigate]

i wanna go back to that time

[rustic mountain]

it wasnt so much the things that threatened it ( a lot) it was its inability to outspeed most of those guys and not do enough damage even wen surviving the turn

[dense latch]

wouldnt mind if we went back to reg f

[molten oasis]

That’s also true

[forest arrow]

Reg F was straight up Bolt meta

[dense latch]

could see that happening actually if it's not gs

[molten oasis]

I was fine with this tbh

[foggy lodge]

But like ain't no way this aren't the worst usage stats ever

[molten oasis]

Although calm mind bolt got kind of annoying

[rustic mountain]

yea that bolt-lando i- urshi-rilla-incin-pao team was one of my favorites

[foggy lodge]

Japan balance yeah

[molten oasis]

Japan balance was crazy

[rustic mountain]

goated team

[molten oasis]

I made my best team at that time

[dense latch]

male indeedee sneasler bm ursa HO stuff at the end of reg g was annoying

[atomic mural]

tatsu being in top 12 is wild

[solid frigate]

i rather run Archaludon in reg F than Reg H

it feels more fair

[foggy lodge]

Alex used a weird variant with booster bolt instead of leftovers shuca berry Incin and clear amulet Chien Pao

[molten oasis]

Reg h Archa peli had like, no bad mu’s

[foggy lodge]

And he got top 4 at EUIC with that lmao

[solid frigate]

and reg F Archaludon has some bad MUs like Lando or Urshifu,which makes the pair a lot more fair

[rustic mountain]

dnite stuff at the end was cool

[forest arrow]

PaoNite my beloved

[molten oasis]

Paonite gets boring

To me, that and I just don’t really like dnite lol

[dense latch]

would like to see a format where pult pao is viable for reg i

[solid frigate]

give me back my rain ;-;

[dense latch]

i never got to try that bc i was on my long ass break

[molten oasis]

Go play reg c

Also I’d argue it’s viable I hit top 500 in SD with it

[dense latch]

if we went back to that i would be happy too

[molten oasis]

It’s not, good, but it’s viable

[dense latch]

there's so many formats i missed out on

[rustic mountain]

wen did u start playing

[dense latch]

july last year

[mint void]

Im not gonna be mad abt a no restricted format

[dense latch]

played a bit of swsh vgc around 2021 tho so i didnt start from scratch

[forest arrow]

Oh no it’s Apple man

[foggy lodge]

I would be mad

[mint void]

Wompwomp

[foggy lodge]

Like if for some reason we are still playing SV after this worlds I can understand it

[dense latch]

i've only played two formats in this generation

[mint void]

Its not like we are getting one anyway ngl

[foggy lodge]

I cant wait to play Zama csr yey

[rustic mountain]

3 year hiatus yeeesh haha

[dense latch]

yea lmao

i think i might've played like 5 games of reg e

[rustic mountain]

reg e was ok

[dense latch]

but i was trying some dumb team bc i knew nothing about how sv worked

[foggy lodge]

I remember when people was calling Ogerpon a fraud in reg E

Oh god how did it change

[rustic mountain]

were they? i feel like it did well in reg e

[solid frigate]

Ok thats just

Ogerpon was never i fraud lmao

[forest arrow]

They definitely called Rockpon a fraud

[dense latch]

reg e feels fake to me

[solid frigate]

ok that makes a bit sense but all Ogerpon is wild

[dense latch]

i hear a lot about reg d and a lot about reg f

nothing about reg e

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it very good in early reg E then at the middle it was used less and at the end it revived

[rustic mountain]

reg e was like

one of most least distinctive formats for me haha

[forest arrow]

Bloodmoon Farig popped off Reg E right?

[rustic mountain]

i remember so much of every other and reg e is just there

[dense latch]

i dropped the game once dmax came back, kinda lost my interest for pokemon as a whole then school took over and stuff

[foggy lodge]

Hisuian Arcanine won 5 majors in a row

Has any pokemon got that in reg G

[rustic mountain]

yea fair enough

[forest arrow]

Oh yeah everyone called harc a fraud and it just kept winning lol

[dense latch]

i shiny hunted a fair bit tho when sv came out

[rustic mountain]

idk maybe urshi lol

[solid frigate]

Ogerpon is broken

Dipplin is a niche while BM Ursa is nice

While Loyal 3 are trash

[dense latch]

but im happy with the progress i've made so far since i came back from the hiatus

[rustic mountain]

prolly not tho tbh

[solid frigate]

oh yeah Single Strike is better than Rapid strike in Reg E

[rustic mountain]

sinischa is cool

[solid frigate]

yeah i agree

[dense latch]

when did lando-t start falling off bc i remember seeing a top 12 most used thing and seeing that on top

once incin returned or did it take a bit longer than that

[forest arrow]

When incin was allowed in the game lol

[rustic mountain]

lando t i think by reg e was kinda shit but maybe it was reg f

[foggy lodge]

ok i did a quick check and actually rillaboom won five majors in a row lol

[solid frigate]

also Loyal 3 is just horrible in comp

Like they trying to be like

Hey remember the 3 forces of Nature is the best trio in comp

What if we make the DLC legendary trio The oppositw of makinf it good

[foggy lodge]

Not surprising but I thought it would be something like urshifu or incin

[rustic mountain]

okidogi has fine results

the other 2 are certified ass cheeks tho

[dense latch]

munkidori is not a real pokemon

[solid frigate]

i can see use case for Fezandipiti

But good lord

MUNKIDORI IS HORRIBLE

[rustic mountain]

fezanandipiti is mid

[foggy lodge]

I got cheesed by a Miraidon Dozogiri Munkidori gimmick once

[rustic mountain]

and yea i tried munkidori out its awful

[solid frigate]

like its mid but i can see it work

Munkidori i cant see it work at all

[foggy lodge]

Turns out that having fake out and parting shot doesn't make you the best pokemon automatically

[rustic mountain]

crazy

[solid frigate]

there are some legendaries i would not see it work till the end of my life

Munkidori,Regice and Lake Trio

[rustic mountain]

i thought that alone would make it workable but nah

[dense latch]

fuck it give munkidori special intimidate

[foggy lodge]

I remember watching wolfey lose to the fezandipiti team at euic tho lol

[rustic mountain]

still prolly wouldnt be enough

[dense latch]

mega munkidori

[foggy lodge]

Mega leaked?!?!?

[dense latch]

oops sorry guys

[foggy lodge]

Actually did y'all see the leaks

[dense latch]

i cant believe i leaked mega munkidori

[forest arrow]

I did sadly

[foggy lodge]

Not gonna talk about them here but i just want to know if y'all know

[rustic mountain]

cant talk about leaks here

yea i saw em

[rustic mountain]

[solid frigate]

honestly if gen 9 gets megas who would be the preimer ones (No Koraidon,Miraidon,Ogerpon and Terapagos)

[molten oasis]

Omg guys mega incineroar is real

[dense latch]

mega squawkabilly

[rustic mountain]

how can we say this w/o knowing wat new megas there would be

[molten oasis]

A mega I think no one would use

[forest arrow]

Don’t let Wolfey find out

[solid frigate]

birb up

[molten oasis]

Lmfao

Nah I hope that not the case

[solid frigate]

this is not towards ZA,its just a regilar thought

[foggy lodge]

Didn't wolfey won a national with mega banette or something

[dense latch]

ok jokes aside i think scovillain has a lot of potential for an evo/mega evo

[solid frigate]

isnt mega incin still be pretty bad for a Mega?

Like you took away Incin’s Main thing

Being annoying as shi

[dense latch]

didnt use its 165 base attack at all too

[rustic mountain]

mega incin ability
zacian deleter: if the opponent has a zacian it instantly gets deleted from the battle

[dense latch]

pure support lmao

[foggy lodge]

Not even shadow sneak?

[solid frigate]

last time we have a Supporr Mega and it failed horribly (Mega Audino)

[dense latch]

It was Will-O-Wisp/Protect/Disable/Pain Split.

from nugget bridge

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

[rustic mountain]

[forest arrow]

Bro just different

[dense latch]

this was the team

[rustic mountain]

been different still different

[foggy lodge]

Crazy that out of those 6 the only that has stayed well is Heatran

[shadow wind]

Might always be different

[solid frigate]

Wolfey thought Mega Banette is Dusclops

[dense latch]

granted this was pre ots era so maybe it caught some ppl off guard

and it clearly worked

[solid frigate]

OTS is such a Good quailty life improvement

[rustic mountain]

heatran only just came back on one team recently, its generally extremely out of favor in the meta, while lando t in swsh was awesome and heatran was like nowhere to be found. they are both arguably still some of the best mons ever, just a lot of recent legends mean they arent as strong as they once were

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[solid frigate]

heatran is just being himself honestly lol

[rustic mountain]

bound to happen wen u keep adding so many new mons tbh

[foggy lodge]

Well Heatran is on the pagos team and on Jamie Boyt's team lmao

Jamie is really built different

[rustic mountain]

jamie is an anomaly tbh

[dense latch]

i miss meta eleki

[forest arrow]

Jamie is a Munkidori believer

[rustic mountain]

shouldve kept playing swsh

[dense latch]

):

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

I think Regieleki has a really decent shot in gs cup of this gen

The ultra super fast eweb is good

[dense latch]

i want to think that this will happen and that eleki will be good

but idk

[rustic mountain]

or i can jus use booster flutter and be good and not worry about ground types like ppl have been doing for built in speed control

i just dont see how dres changes that for leki

or even just prankster tw

[foggy lodge]

You gave me an idea actually

[dense latch]

ig regieleki is good role compression for very specific teams that want electric coverage and speed control

which is kinda valuable when you have 4 slots to work with to buld around your restricted

[rustic mountain]

i could b wrong just my take as is

i personally dont see increased value for it

[foggy lodge]

When I checked the previous gs cup formats I thought that in sv it would be similar but

God the powerhouses that we have in sv that aren't restricteds

The trend for the previous formats were like 2 damage restricteds and just full supports

But now there's urshifu, raging bolt, ursaluna, landorus-i, ogerpon, chien-pao, chi-yu, flutter mane, iron hands

ITS RAINING

[dense latch]

rain is non existent where im from

16mm of precipitation annually in my city lmao

[molten oasis]

Bruh wtf

[foggy lodge]

We are

In the fucking universe where hard TR made it to finals 3 times in a row at a major

https://www.pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000139/masters/

Diego Ferreira is in finals

I hope he wins tho

Maybe I should play hard TR atp

[shadow wind]

Y'all ever get like wasted motivation?

Like I feel like I want to do try so many things then just nothing comes to mind

[dense latch]

he won

his finals opponent was someone who’s active in the vgc showdown room so everyone was rooting for them there

[cyan smelt]

Nice I finished top 100 not bad for first regional

[bold geode]

@chrome knot I need help

[shadow wind]

Goat

[cyan smelt]

I should probably go to Melbourne and see if I can do better

[shadow wind]

That'd be cool

[cyan smelt]

I kinda like tailroom

But I like hard tr too

With more practice with a team I can definitely do better

[shadow wind]

100%, that team was like almost brand new to you

And if you do end up making your own team for it or at least take part in making it you'll probably do even better

I feel like I always do better when I know what everything does exactly

Teambuilding is incredibly fun for me though so maybe this isn't the general idea

[cyan smelt]

I definitely need help with team building because I feel like I have outdated ideas or ideas that just plain don't work lol

[shadow wind]

Fair

Well if you ever need help I'm always available

[cyan smelt]

I'll hop on soon and maybe we can cook something

[shadow wind]

👍

[astral kelp]

im kinda liking palossand

very cool mon

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2331087441 wtf was ops team

[mint void]

Teal mask in TR

[dapper crag]

anyone playing showdown?

[mint void]

Everyone

The format is more important

Most people here play VGC

[bold geode]

I will be posting a rental in the morning chat

[mighty stump]

erm ackchually i play Pokemon Champions

[dapper crag]

Who knows how to make good teams, I have a rental team I’ve been loving but there’s two mons id like to replace

[mighty stump]

I’m terrible at teams

[dapper crag]

Guy with the vgc blog is terrible at teams… idkkk

I need help

I like the comp of Zacian, chien-pao, urshifu, and sometimes entei, but I don’t know if just sticking an incineroar and rillaboom will actually make it better

[molten oasis]

oh not that team

uhm, in my opinion zacian hearthflame urshifu pao is a really solid offensive core

pao or torn, then you can go like Regidrago, entei's fine, incin or chi yu (with regidrago or bolt) works

[dapper crag]

So how does this sounds:
Zacian
Pao
hearthflame
urshifu
incin
raging bolt

[molten oasis]

you need speed control

drop hearth or incin for a tailwind setter

i'd personally drop incin cuz i think hearthflame is a better partner for zac

[dapper crag]

So Incin for like tornadus?

[molten oasis]

yes

that what i'd suggest, regidrago and farigiraf over pao and bolt is also solid

[dapper crag]

Okay bet I’m gonna try and grab all of those that I don’t have

What’s the best way to play regidrago I know nothing about it

[foggy lodge]

Dragon fang/life orb

[mighty stump]

Speed control is highly necessary or a balance component for proper positioning

I think Goltres isn’t it

Considering the tools you have that’s so anti Amoonguss I’m not sure how I feel about Sleep Talk as well

[dapper crag]

Yea I’ve never had to use it once, I also think having two terra normal extreme speed pokemon is too much

I think I’m going to swap entei for hearthflame ogerpon

To be honest I find I struggle the most vs trick room teams or farigiraf

Especially with calyrex

[undone sage]

@cyan smelt did you see the standings

[charred saddle]

brisbane regionals?

[undone sage]

The global challenge winner got 9th, and a previous worlds winner got 3rd

Yeah

[charred saddle]

how did taunt do?

[undone sage]

He got about where he was hoping to get haha

[mighty stump]

Could just run Double Dark Pao

[undone sage]

He wanted to at least get in the top 150

[charred saddle]

what about ur kid?

ur kid wins surely right?

[undone sage]

Well he did well, he got 2-2 for his first tourney, and he hasn't been playing long

His goal was to at least win one match

[charred saddle]

future worlds winner right there

things aside im glad that both gets their goal

[undone sage]

He did beat a kid who's participated in worlds and been on TV before so that was nice

They had quite the audience for that match, because they started late due to technical issues

[charred saddle]

woah

[undone sage]

I loved watching the juniors matches. They're so vocal and full of expression

Time to ride home

[charred saddle]

careful there

dont wanna slip on a banana peel

[undone sage]

There was some wet ground

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I saw the standings, I'm pleased with top 100

[mighty stump]

gz

[cyan smelt]

Ty tofu

[undone sage]

[cyan smelt]

Thinking of going to Melbourne now

I could do a lot better if I actually practised with a team a lot more lol

[undone sage]

I don't think Taunt will. He might if we had the kids and kiddo wanted to go too that weekend

[cyan smelt]

Fair enough

It's expensive

[undone sage]

He'd rather have a family weekend doing that

[cyan smelt]

Understandable

[undone sage]

I want to go to Melb

[cyan smelt]

You need to somehow convince taunt then

[sharp cobalt]

[undone sage]

I tried, but if he doesn't wanna compete i can't make him hahaha

He said he might try going more meta next time tho

[cyan smelt]

What did he run?

[mighty stump]

Away

Kek

[cyan smelt]

I felt like doing that for most of the day, I was shitting myself

[undone sage]

Erm I'll ask shortly haha

Taunt seemed to have a good time talking with his opponents

I was too busy eyeballing my kids this time

[cyan smelt]

I'm not good at small talk but it was nice that people were friendly

[undone sage]

Yeah! There was one sore loser tho

[molten oasis]

Morning fellas

[cyan smelt]

The guy I beat in my last game seemed a bit upset that he lost but was still nice to me

I pinned his miraidon with flutter and bronzong

[undone sage]

So

[cyan smelt]

Hiya drago

[undone sage]

Taunt did something a lil silly

He named his whole team Azumaril 1 2 3 4 5 6

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[undone sage]

Because he couldn't bring Azu

And while it didn't get pulled up on team submission, one guy in like round 6 got salty over the names and told a judge

[mighty stump]

lmfao

[undone sage]

And they kinda went ehhhh can you change them

[cyan smelt]

That's hilarious though

[undone sage]

And he's like ok, but couldn't change 3 of them. Lucky for him, my kid was running the same team, so we traded them over to Taunt

My kid had already finished his matches by then

[cyan smelt]

That's cute that your kid and taunt ran the same team

[undone sage]

And then the judges were like to the other guy, next time if you have an issue, bring it up straight away, not when your matches are finished. Nothing we can do by then

[undone sage]

Taunt has been coaching him etc, so figured the same team would be easy to help with

[cyan smelt]

That sounds really nice

So wholesome

[undone sage]

They went quite offensive

[cyan smelt]

Kinda reminds me of the wolfey gc team lol the normal monotype one

[undone sage]

[cyan smelt]

First set I played was a Groudon mirror

[undone sage]

Here's the ones he had to trade to my kid

Excuse my kids stupid noises

[cyan smelt]

Specs pagos is cool

[undone sage]

My kids opponents didn't like him putting their team to sleep

At one point some kids team was 3/4 asleep

[cyan smelt]

Lmao that's hilarious

I remember using hypnosis on both of my opponent's pokemon in a set

[undone sage]

[cyan smelt]

Gravnosis sure is funny

[undone sage]

I'm pretty sure that's how my kiddo beat the worlds player kid. Spore for lyfe

That kid hated Smeargle

[cyan smelt]

That's how the Zama team beat the team I was using, Amoonguss

[undone sage]

They were so vocal

Haha dang

[cyan smelt]

That and body press

I'm fine with it, it was a strong team, had crunch chien pao and E speed entei too

[undone sage]

Sounds rough

[cyan smelt]

Couldn't tr because of the shroom

[undone sage]

Some of Taunt's losses came from 50/50 decisions i heard, but oh well!

[cyan smelt]

I feel like all my losses came from misplays too and inexperience with regionals and with the team

[undone sage]

I hear the winner used caly ice trick room team

[cyan smelt]

Yep

I like caly I I want to try and build a team with it and rabsca and ursaluna

[undone sage]

Well GL if you go to Melb

I dunno much about comp but I watch and cheer from the side lines

[cyan smelt]

You seem like good support to have

[undone sage]

[cyan smelt]

What sort of teams were the juniors running? They always have interesting teams

[undone sage]

I didn't actually look, and my kid said "I dont know/remember" when I asked him for some of them

I know he got wrecked by a caly shadow for one of them

[cyan smelt]

Caly shadow is op

Could probably just look at the results for juniors

Not published yet oh well

[undone sage]

Let me DM

[vocal plume]

How's that gonna work cause presumably I'm gonna guess that you are adding a TR setter for Ursaluna as Ursa is fairly slow, and then you'll need someone who synergises with Caly-Shadow alongside 2 other mons that you could rotate with between Battles if you wanted to change strategy

[cyan smelt]

Caly ice

[vocal plume]

Oh

Yeah reading up I saw that

[cyan smelt]

Should have said ice lol

[vocal plume]

Caly Ice makes way more sense in that team

I'll probably play a bit more comp later today.

[astral kelp]

skeledurge actually seems pretty decent

[cyan smelt]

it's not, trust me

[astral kelp]

pretty bulky

torch song is a pretty good move

reg h stomper frfr\

[chrome knot]

it did literally nothing in reg h

[astral kelp]

oh unfortunate

[tiny karma]

Skeledirge [Fire/Ghost]

Immune

Fighting, Normal

Resists (0.25x)

Bug

Resists (0.5x)

Fairy, Fire, Grass, Ice, Poison, Steel

Neutral damage

Dragon, Electric, Flying, Psychic, Stellar

Weak (2x)

Dark, Ghost, Ground, Rock, Water

Type Notes

Ghost-types are immune to effects that prevent Switching.
Fire-types cannot be Burned.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

thats decent

5 weaknesses kinda sucks tho

[chrome knot]

its weak to some of the most common pokemon lmao

[astral kelp]

urshifu and fluttermane victim

[cyan smelt]

caly-s, chi-yu, chien pao, ogerpon cornerstone, kyogre, caly-ice

[astral kelp]

truly unfortunate

[chrome knot]

dont forget urshifu, both forms

[cyan smelt]

yep

incin

oh, landorus

[astral kelp]

pagos always runs earth power

ursaluna too

abilities kinda mid

oh well

i wonder if chien pao would be good in a kyurem black team

running 3 ice types is kinda yikes

[chrome knot]

always..?

[mighty stump]

@chrome knot I need a CIR team

[astral kelp]

huh only half the time i didnt know that

wait these stats are saying substitute is used 40%

[chrome knot]

hi i have one

[chrome knot]

its most used set rn is tera starstorm cm sub protect

[astral kelp]

man i have never seen substitute apagos

i believe you tho

[chrome knot]

bc you mainly play 10xx ladder where people aren’t necessarily smart enough for it

[mighty stump]

can i use

[chrome knot]

for?

[mighty stump]

NPAA

bro idk what to run pls

Not pls as in

[chrome knot]

sure lemme grab

[mighty stump]

Give me ur team

But pls as in

[astral kelp]

holy this was in snow

galade HURTS

he was running scarf gallade too

[solid frigate]

that 0.005% who does not run Starstorm

[astral kelp]

they are cookinbg

whats the best wide guard non restricted mon?

maybe hitmonlee or the other one for wide guard fake out?

[chrome knot]

Mienshao or Smeargle or Pelipper

[astral kelp]

oh shit yeah smeargle

[cyan smelt]

Valiant is ok too

[astral kelp]

its for this

i need something that can keep kyurem alive for at least like 2 turns then be able to enable him to pick enemies up one by one

but i also need to stop fake out fuck

incin shits on this

wait mienshao learns quick guard

the kyurem that will not hit wtf

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2331220075

so extremely unlucky and op played pretty well

good matchup at least

i just watched kyurem scale shot fail to do half health of chien pao

[next stump]

that snow defense boost is tough

[austere sun]

i made a team for fighting my friend and i tried it out on comp and won 6 times in a row

Anyone know eomething i would replace for Ursaluna and maybe clefairy

[grizzled island]

Can someone tell me if my sheild puppy is well built 😭

[austere sun]

what team are you using it in?

[grizzled island]

No clue yet.. was thinking of like using him as my big hitter

[austere sun]

i fear zamazenta is intact not a big hitter

u could use sword puppy but if i reaaaaallly wanna use zamazenta there’s a couple things ur gonna wanna change

[grizzled island]

What should I change?

I heard of a trick with using lorn defense and maxing out his uh- defense and using that move that using how heavy?? He is for attacks

[austere sun]

well first of all, you have rusted shield on right?

[austere sun]

you can lead with indeedee + zam (indeedee is support and trick room setter, make sure it has psychic seed btw) and you could set up an iron defense or 2 then just use body press

[grizzled island]

Yuppers

Indeedee I've never used them before- so got now clue what to evee train them in lol

[austere sun]

oh and the evs, for zam i believe it would be 252 defense, 252 hp and the last 4 in speed

I BELIEVE, i could be wrong

[grizzled island]

Ooo okay

And for his nature?

My zam is the event shiny one so idk if it's nature locked

[austere sun]

It may be, idk much about events but ur gonna want + def - spatk or +speed -spatk

[grizzled island]

Oo okay tyty

And moveset wiseee

I got moonblast

So dragon and dark types beware >:3

Imma use my fresh start mochi on him and start training him 💪

Oh wait what do golden caps do

[next stump]

Zamazenta is a physical attacker, so moonblast won’t be too good. You’ll want Body Press over Close Combat since that does damage based on your defense stat, and you ability gives you a free defense boost

[astral kelp]

magma storm is kind of a crazy ability huh

[tiny karma]

Move: Magma Storm

Prevents the target from switching for four or five turns (seven turns if the user is holding Grip Claw). Causes damage to the target equal to 1/8 of its maximum HP (1/6 if the user is holding Binding Band), rounded down, at the end of each turn during effect. The target can still switch out if it is holding Shed Shell or uses Baton Pass, Flip Turn, Parting Shot, Shed Tail, Teleport, U-turn, or Volt Switch. The effect ends if either the user or the target leaves the field, or if the target uses Mortal Spin, Rapid Spin, or Substitute successfully. This effect is not stackable or reset by using this or another binding move.

Type

Fire

Category

Special

Power

100

Accuracy

75

PP (max)

5 (8)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Does not make contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[next stump]

If you’re playing double battles, then I’d also recommend dropping Crunch for Protect

[astral kelp]

makjes me wann aplay some gravity groudon with magma storm

[grizzled island]

Tysvm

And to train ivs is golden bottle caps good or just bottle caps

Here's him with a fresh start mochi

He's got an impish nature, his new moveset

[next stump]

golden bottle caps are good if you want to raise every IV

[dense latch]

this is looking much better

[next stump]

in Zamazenta’s case you want to raise 5 out of the 6 but the special attack won’t hurt you, so if you need like 4 or more IVs then use one

[dense latch]

tho i’d consider wide guard over play rough if you’re doing doubles

[grizzled island]

Whats wide guard do?

[dense latch]

blocks moves that hit both of your pokemon

like glacial lance or astral barrage

[grizzled island]

Ooo

So if I'm using Zam and Indeedee

What other pokémon would be good on this team?

[tawny jungle]

I'm new to SV, doing story RN but when I make comp teams are krokodile and hyderigion still solid mons in this comp, 2 of my favorite mons or would they get wiped

Idk paldea mons really last pokemon game I did was ultra moon so it's been a while

[next stump]

do you want to play single or double battles competitive

[vocal plume]

With indeedee, TR mons would be good

[grizzled island]

TR? Trick room?

[vocal plume]

You also need synergy tho so mons like Hatterene, Amoonguss,

[vocal plume]

Yea

[grizzled island]

Ah okay

[vocal plume]

Or if you are doing a non trick room team, Annihilape, Roaring Moon

[tawny jungle]

Single

Ik doubles hard hard

I definitely ain't there yet but solos I usually do well, rocked MFS in MMO if you've played it

[tawny jungle]

So amoongus still a valid stall?

[vocal plume]

Easily

With Rage Powder and Spore

[tawny jungle]

Say less, I hate those but so cracked

[vocal plume]

Pollen Puff or Sludge Bomb as a support attack

And then Protect

[tawny jungle]

Bett, Imma look up where to grab foongus, Ill honestly rock it for story to

[next stump]

unfortunately not many people here play singles so it’ll be harder to find quality advice

[tawny jungle]

Damn doubles really the wave

[next stump]

but if you stick around you’ll pick up a thing or two and if you ever want to try doubles, 95% of people here play it

yeah cause that’s where their official tournaments are

[tawny jungle]

I'm definitely gonna need a learn good teams cause I've always been a solos, ik my strats but they don't work for doubles

[vocal plume]

This is definitely the place to be

[tawny jungle]

Definitely gonna stick around loving scarlett

[mint void]

No

[tawny jungle]

Glooks for the tips, Imma finish making my way to grass gym

[mint void]

@grizzled island I wouldnt build a TR team arnd Zama. Its simply too fast. Indeedee is a great redirector that denies Priority though and you can use it to counter TR or opt for Tailroom where you only use TR if the opponent is fast or sets up TW

Amoonguss is still the goat and Id use it on Zama

[grizzled island]

So using

Zama, indeedee and amoo

That's 3 out of 6 on my team

[bold geode]

Ay new rental in #rental_teams and new blogpost for it in there and #self_promotion
I hope people enjoy it

[vocal plume]

Tbf I've used Amoo in non trick room teams and it's solid. It's just so bulky

Flutter Mane is another mon you could think about

[grizzled island]

Oo flutter mane is cool

I only got 1 legendary, how many am I allowed to have?

[vocal plume]

In the current regs for double, only one restricted legendary

Which would be Zama

[grizzled island]

Because sheild puppy is the best, no one can tell me otherwise 😤

[mint void]

You could just use flutter fish for the team.

ChiYu Flutter

[grizzled island]

I wish that fish wasn't shiny locked omg

[vocal plume]

I chose Shield over Sword when I first played it

[mint void]

And add another solid physical attacker that resists some weaknesses

[grizzled island]

But yea

I purely wanna build a team around Zama

I like competitive but I wanna try and beat worlds it's my dream with a legendary people doubt

[mint void]

Id recommend looking at the pinned messages. You can find a repository there. Browse for some team building ideas there before you start

[vocal plume]

Would it be worth using Thundo and Lando together both as their Incarnate formes?

[mint void]

Thund isnt that good

Lando is really good tho

Thund has a niche tho with prankster eterrain and twave stuff

[vocal plume]

I've been using Therian Lando

Therian Lando is brilliant

[next stump]

it used to be super super good

but incin's introduction made it quite a bit worse

[vocal plume]

Ik Incarnate Lando is better but I sometimes run double intimidate with Lando Therian and Incine

[next stump]

whats the rest of your team? that sounds like a cool idea

[vocal plume]

My team at the moment is:
Koraidon
Flutter Mane
Raging Bolt
Lando-Therian
Amoonguss
Incine

I usually run, Koraidon and either Flutter Mane or Raging Bolt first for protosynthesis and then I'll have Lando and Amoonguss, or Lando and Incin in the back

[next stump]

have you been playing on showdown or in game? how's it been going?

[vocal plume]

It's been less successful in Showdown than in game but that might be because of the way I've been playing. In game tho I went on a 3 game win streak last night

Again I need to get Pokemon Shield again, I have an Urshifu Water and Calyrex-Shadow trapped there

[next stump]

what matchups have you struggled against in general?

[vocal plume]

I'm trying to remember who I faced

Gholdengo forced me to tera my Tera Fairy Flutter Mane to OHKO

Obviously, Incin is Incin

Raging Bolt was no issue for Lando

Alolan Ninetales had me fumbling because aside from Incin Flare Blitz, no one on the team has a meaningful fire type move.

[charred saddle]

its clear amulet koraidon right?

or LO?

[nocturne holly]

don’t u have flare blitz on korai?

[charred saddle]

also feel like everything dies to CIR

CIR smeargle

[nocturne holly]

r u asking in general or on his team

[astral kelp]

Honestly I get how good incin is but most people are running so many ways of stopping him he's not that big a deal anymore

We got so much anti fake out and clear amulets

[vocal plume]

I'll have to check.

[vocal plume]

LO

[astral kelp]

Ig the fact that you're forced to run clear amulet sometimes kinda points to that but still

I can see why his playrates have gone down

[charred saddle]

why LO? if ur having like lots of problem with incin u could just run CLAM

[nocturne holly]

does the life orb extra damage negate the intim

I don’t remember

life orb is 1.3x right

[charred saddle]

-1 252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course (Super Effective) vs. 244 HP / 196+ Def Incineroar: 222-263 (110.4 - 130.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[nocturne holly]

-calc 1.3*0.67

[gentle crag]

Result: 0.871000

[vocal plume]

I'll have to check everything

[charred saddle]

i mean ur still killing incin

[vocal plume]

I'm currently celebrating mothers day with the family so I'll check everything when I get back home

[bold geode]

You're no longer rice

[vocal plume]

In fact I'll turn it into a rental team and get the image of it

[nocturne holly]

or send pokepaste

[vocal plume]

Didn't think of that

I can't even remember the move sets tho so I'll have to wait regardless

[forest arrow]

LO Korai is usually OHKOing incin even with -1

barring Tera-

[mighty stump]

Just think of it was a way to get a higher damage ceiling

With clam you’re negating intim drops but your damage potential is lower in range compared to LO

so its more consistent, but lower peak

[vocal plume]

Can't even send images cause I only recently joined the server

Cooked

[dapper crag]

What’s a guy gotta do to get a ogerpon around here smh

[lost sun]

pokepaste is link iirc

[lost sun]

buy the dlc probably

[dapper crag]

Something like that I’d say

Need to find a nice person that would be willing to trade a hearthfire mask

[craggy dagger]

#1112832566261731328 is the place to look for trades

[forest arrow]

Pokepaste is a link

[vocal plume]

Still learning lol

[forest arrow]

Thats fine, under your team in the teambuilder on showdown there should be a "upload to pokepaste" option, copy paste the link of it here

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger

[lost sun]

if u have a burn on a Mon then tera it to fire does it stay

[mint void]

yes

u need to tera before the burn happens

[craggy dagger]

hi

[austere ice]

Hey does anyone have bdps?

[vocal plume]

https://pokepast.es/9035c862f1b9b7ae

i have made a few changes

which i'll also make in game

[mint void]

Bolt sucks ngl

Black sludge on Amoonguss just means u cant tera it

Tera Fire on Koraidon is used to amplify dmg of fire moves already powered up in the sun. You arent running a fire move.

You should probablyrun goggles on Incin. Your team has 1 spore immunity only

[lost sun]

fire resists fairy aswell tbf

[vocal plume]

Most of this is due to the fact that I have yet to face an Amoonguss (luckily)

[vocal plume]

That's why it's fire tera

Not something different like fighting

[lost sun]

scarf protect lando?

yk scarf locks u into protect right

[mint void]

^

forgor to say it

[vocal plume]

No you arent

[mint void]

wild call

[vocal plume]

Kinda feels like you guys are taking dumps on me

[lost sun]

ye looked at the symbol and thought it wasn't scarf cus it's a feather

[vocal plume]

I'm still new to this

I'm not 100% on synergies and items etc.

[mint void]

Id just scap Dragon Claw on Koraidon for Flare Blitz, Add Icy wind on Flutter Mane for Moonblast or Shadowball u have 0 speed control

[lost sun]

steel might be better cus it resists dragon ice flying psychic

and fairy ofc

[mint void]

nah Fire is the go to and best type for Korai as long as u are using it offensively too

[lost sun]

ye

[mint void]

@vocal plume do u know ur teams EVs?

[lost sun]

but with no fire move steel seems better to me

[vocal plume]

I haven't considered EVs yet. Or at least I haven't changed them yet. I've looked at natures but not fully committed

[lost sun]

make lando terra water or poison

[vocal plume]

My current Koraidon in game has Overheat

I'll just replace Overheat with Flare Blitz

[mint void]

Korai - Jolly, Bolt - Modest, Lando - Modest/Timid, Flutter - Timid, Amoonguss - +Def or SpDef, Incin - Adamant, Impish, Careful

[vocal plume]

I've got none of the EVs set

[charred saddle]

if ur running koraidon flutter
kinda feel its better flutter gets sash and max max spA speed

timid

calm mind 2 electric bolt is kinda iffy since ur basically walled by ground mon

u could even run like LO on bolt in sun to deal more dmg

or u could also AV bolt tbolt, tclap, snarl, draco, volt switch, weather ball (in sun for amoonguss MU)

[mint void]

basically yes

[charred saddle]

also getting some sort of speed control is always good, could have like icy wind/twave in flutter

[vocal plume]

I've got grind and kill so many wild pokemon

I don't have the TMs

[vocal plume]

I think I might use Icy Wind over Dazzling Gleam

As much as I like Dazzling Gleam for the fact that it hits both opponents like you said, Icy Wind creates some sort of speed control.

I say that like I know what I'm talking about

[charred saddle]

just a preferance but, i like Dgleam icy wind/twave shadowball

[vocal plume]

I need to go into thinking

I need to sort IVs out as well and do some Hyper Training

[foggy lodge]

Dgleam has fallen off for the format rn

Only specs flutter uses it and maybe with Chi-Yu to ignore redirection

But moonblast is overall better

[charred saddle]

i just like dgleam just because lots of redirection and MB isnt like doing 2hko or that much of a difference to dgleam

if im doing like single target dmg, id rather shadow ball

i mean its jsut a matter of preferance

[vocal plume]

Also for reference, I don't usually use Bolt

Like he's usually one of the two I leave out

[charred saddle]

thats becasue ur bolt is built on a niche case

only electric = walled by amoonguss, walled by lando, walled by ground teras

[foggy lodge]

Pokealex's team on a gs cup tournament rn https://pokepast.es/07fe87cbd3aebe76

[charred saddle]

calm mind = need to set up and prob gonna get hit before u can have a comfy setup

oo thats a cool team

[vocal plume]

Not even. I just barely use it

[charred saddle]

oh wtf hypnosis lunala

[charred saddle]

thats exactly the reason my guy.

[foggy lodge]

Calm mind bolt would work better with balance comps like CIR balance or CSR balance

[charred saddle]

u dont bring it, or barely use it becasue u dont find any reason to bring it

[vocal plume]

I try to run: Korai, Flutter, Amoon, and then Incin/Lando

[mint void]

CM bolt just isnt good tho

[foggy lodge]

On a very offensive team with koraidon flutter it just seems out of place

[mint void]

at least in this reg

[charred saddle]

look

[foggy lodge]

Its decent

But its super niche

[charred saddle]

if a case arises where bolt is strong, would u still not bring it?

[mint void]

these 2 statements dont go along.

If it would be decent it wouldnt be niche

[vocal plume]

It's different. Really dependent.

[charred saddle]

omg

[vocal plume]

Like extremely dependent

[foggy lodge]

A mon can be niche and still decent lol

[charred saddle]

thats exactly why i told u ur set is too niche

[foggy lodge]

I just say it because I saw it on early reg

[mint void]

thats not niche thats dead

[foggy lodge]

For the rn meta is just meh

[molten oasis]

reg g is boring

[vocal plume]

Ok. No need to get snappy

[craggy dagger]

i dont think he was getting snappy 😭

just pointing out what he said earlier

[molten oasis]

we can all be chill here

please

[charred saddle]

im not even mad or anything

[vocal plume]

Felt a little like that. Nvr mind

Question, if I were to replace Bolt, who should I replace it for?

Surely a water type would be preferable

[charred saddle]

no. bolt is fine.

ur set is the problem

having water actually is kinda weird since ur running a sun team

[vocal plume]

My brain 🤦‍♂️

[molten oasis]

if you want a water type for sun your option is wake

thats it

[charred saddle]

AV bolt tclap tbolt snarl draco eweb is fine

[vocal plume]

I've only just clocked where you are coming from 🤦‍♂️

[vocal plume]

Yeah ignore me. Had a long day and I'm being slow

[charred saddle]

can even take a look at this bolt

[vocal plume]

Yeah calm mind on bolt now I think about it is stupid

[molten oasis]

calm mind bolt was good when it wasnt restricted format

[vocal plume]

I put Icy Wind on Flutter as well

The one I had in game had Mystical Fire and Power Gem

For, some, reason

[real prairie]

Evening everyone, I miss anything exciting?

[chrome knot]

i got a 0atk0spe 4iv shiny farig in a love ball

[vocal plume]

I mean you missed me having a pretty large moment of sucking a moveset creation for mons

[real prairie]

Female this time?

[real prairie]

Oh?

[vocal plume]

Yeah...

Not my proudest moment

[unkempt flax]

Anyone know a good indeedee female spread?

Too lazy to build one

[vocal plume]

Basically my team had zero (literally zero) speed control

[jolly iron]

wait rq, is it legal if i use hacked ditto's to shiny egg hunt a shiny incineroar with perfect iv's

[next stump]

if you’re playing tournaments the offspring of a ditto doesn’t have any connection to the parent ditto at all

but also we can’t discuss hacking here

[jolly iron]

alr

[vocal plume]

I'll update the new moves and stuff tomorrow

[real prairie]

252hp, 252def, 4spDef, Pyschic Seed

[vocal plume]

One ranked battle and then I'm sleeping

[craggy dagger]

i soft locked myself on todays pokedoku

unless there’s another paldean fire psychic type

wait im stupid its paldean psychic

[real prairie]

whoops

ill have a go in a minute

[vocal plume]

Bruh what am I playing?

I'm playing against Charizard, Blastoise, Goodra, Garchomp, Dragalge and Miraidon

[lost sun]

amoonguss should be more spdf than df right

[vocal plume]

Or less speed and more spdf/df

[lost sun]

mines maxp hp and Def min speed

remainder in spdf

[next stump]

it’s really your choice

typically it has more defense investment

[lost sun]

ye but most physical attackers I see amoonguss resists

[carmine flame]

im running a calyrex ice team and one of the only teams im losing to is calyrex shadow. is it worth adjusting my team to have a dedicated counter or should i just accept it as a doomed matchup

[lost sun]

have a counter

no point losing to the most common res

[carmine flame]

whats a good/common counter for calyrex shadow? im thinking about swapping out my landorus since i almost never bring it

[lost sun]

what's Ur team