competitive_discussion

[languid aspen]

Like how is it that a damm hawlucha beats my urshifu wtf is up with that

[lost sun]

hawlucha flying type

[languid aspen]

Yeah i know it was more ironic but just there are alot of weird pokemon there and i want to know how to build a Solid team for singles

[dense latch]

80% gxe is impossible

[shadow wind]

It really feels like it yes

77% is really good though

[dense latch]

yea i think it's the highest i've been like ever which is pretty cool

[shadow wind]

Exactly

I wonder if 80% is easier or harder in Bo3

[dense latch]

that's a good question actually im not sure

[shadow wind]

Cause it’s more consistent

[dense latch]

bo1 is way more volatile

i think it might be easier in bo3

[shadow wind]

But Bo1 you can cheese

[dense latch]

i have 4 alts at 70+% gxe on bo3 but i think i only have one or two in bo1

i should probably just ladder with one account

[left bobcat]

HIYAAAA

[wanton berry]

Hey anyone know what the next regulation will be after G?

[dense latch]

official announcement should be in april

[wanton berry]

Okay where do I go to see it when it gets announced

[dense latch]

serebii probably

it will 100% be discussed here too

[wanton berry]

Okay ty

[real prairie]

Im hoping for something really fun

[real prairie]

not quite what i meant haha

I meant more "No Tera" or "National Dex - No legendaries"

[solid frigate]

me and the bois did make a Mega format in Gen 9

but no tera lmao

[next stump]

super excited for it

they normally announce on the 1st of the month prior

I wonder if they'll do April 1st or if they'll either do it early or late because of the jokes lol

imagine if they troll us

[solid frigate]

i would be livid but kinda felt eh ita funny

[next stump]

my longshot dream format would be Reg H + banlist

but that won't happen

imagine reg H without gholdengo/dragonite/incin/etc.

the pokemon that would get play would be crazy

[solid frigate]

Didn’t you predict Reg H

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-mega-mind-gif-27661995

[solid frigate]

i mean Reg F rerun would be fun

[next stump]

yeah for me anything outside of double restricted would be really fun, double restricted would also be fun so long as the format doesn't run past worlds

[next stump]

like if we have to finish this season with double restricted AND start next season with it

[solid frigate]

basically every formay besides Reg F honestly

[dense latch]

i hope it's not double restricted i've had 0 fun with the test matches i've had

might be bc idk how to play the format tho

[real prairie]

I need the power curve to drop so i can really exploit Ludicolo

[next stump]

imagine if you got in on some Reg H regionals

ludi would have a day 2

politoed ludicolo

[solid frigate]

its somewhat fun and i would say i like it

[real prairie]

Meh, Ludi does suffer a bit without Kyogre, i did try Politoed + Ludi strats

but tbf back then i was trying to use Specs Ludi not fake out encore

[solid frigate]

tbf me and Jack almost made it to Day 2 if not the matchup is horrible

[real prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-price-gif-11163798864566121593

[solid frigate]

I shouldve run the tang core before it even existed as a popular core

[real prairie]

LOL

it would be called the Torrent core

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/ultron-hindsight-gif-20615840

[solid frigate]

me when i got nuked

[real prairie]

Hulks reaction is justified

[solid frigate]

ehhhh maybe not

Just Overlord Core cuz my team is based on Neo Metal Sonic

[real prairie]

Itd probably end up named after your actual name though

[solid frigate]

but i have to win to actually get that title

but eh it was an idea before so yea

[bold geode]

Nah keep Incin
Gives me more reason to play Annihilape

[lost sun]

are there any restricted that run scarf

[next stump]

not many

[bold geode]

Idt there is one? Except for maybe Miraidon in CTS

[next stump]

i saw a decent amount of caly shadow using it in the global challenge

[bold geode]

Oh wait
Kyogre

[lost sun]

I've seen kyogre scarf but only 1 time

[bold geode]

I forgot about Scarf Kyogre

[lost sun]

is the cir team better

[charred saddle]

why porygon there

i dont see whats with porygon point there

also no TR in ur CIR is kinda weird?

thhen what, rage powder and just glacial?

also no TR in indeedee

so only porygon has TR which is even crazier

also will o wisp scarf chiyu

[bold geode]

We're just gonna ignore Body Press CIR?

[charred saddle]

its not having BP being weird, but swapping thhat out with TR

[lost sun]

porygon

[lost sun]

it's got high defence thought it would be good steel and rock coverage

[charred saddle]

well yeah goodluck on that then, ragepowder/follow me TR then u deal no damage

[charred saddle]

high horsepower?

[bold geode]

High Horsepower? Close Combat?

[charred saddle]

what

[lost sun]

and dark coverage

[bold geode]

Close Combat Caly is a thing

[bold geode]

Alright lemme teach ya something

Super effective is not always the most effective

[charred saddle]

well i mean if it suits ur gameplan/gameplay sure then

[bold geode]

Sometimes just having strong neutral attacks is better than super effective
Like why Body Press when you can just Glacial

[charred saddle]

id go with kyogre, swapping icywind with taunt

[real prairie]

For the Yankie Doodles in the group:

[bold geode]

Ew British people are talking

[real prairie]

Remind me the language you deem your mother tongue squire? 😉

[bold geode]

Definitely not one that drinks tea

[charred saddle]

blaze incineroar fire type

then also grass type amoonguss

[bold geode]

What

[real prairie]

Super effective w/o Stab often < than Stab move

[bold geode]

Exactly

[next stump]

my biggest recommendation based off what i seen here is to use websites like munchstats to get your EV spreads

becaues these seem kinda random

[charred saddle]

i didnt even get to see the EVs

goly fuck max bulk cir

[next stump]

0 Def Calyrex-Ice Rider Body Press vs. 244 HP / 196+ Def Incineroar: 70-84 (34.8 - 41.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

vs

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 196+ Def Incineroar: 146-172 (72.6 - 85.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

or

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Rider High Horsepower vs. 244 HP / 196+ Def Incineroar: 116-138 (57.7 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[charred saddle]

not max but damn

[lost sun]

they're just roughly what I wanted

[lost sun]

ye

[next stump]

what did you want though? because unless you’re using a damage calculator then you’re going off vibes

and that’s gonna always be worse than just taking someone else’s EV spread

[bold geode]

What

Bros calling out the old random slider strat

[charred saddle]

i slide randomly then check calcs

[lost sun]

what if I swap porygons for hatterene

[charred saddle]

the problem doesnt only lie in porygon tho, thats the thing

[dense latch]

it's just a weird team overall

[charred saddle]

u dont have clear lines of gameplan

i feel like

[dense latch]

like i dont see clear modes

[charred saddle]

no TR in deedee, no TR in cir

[bold geode]

I've done it a couple times
Just "yeah this shit looks about right"

[charred saddle]

ur getting spammed by like astral and like dazzgleam fairy miraidon everyday

[bold geode]

Just dodge bro

[lost sun]

chi yu outspeeds csr

[bold geode]

Ok
Chi Yu dies then what

[charred saddle]

okay? and?

chiyu doesnt solve ur whole problem

[bold geode]

Also Dark Tera CSR exists now like
A LOT

We are way past the days of 1 Mon being a counter

[charred saddle]

and also i dont get max def 124+ speed on chiyu

like what is that

[lost sun]

EVs just random

other than speed

[gentle crag]

Result: 223.500000

[charred saddle]

i mean again, its just my opinion

feel free to ignore or play however you want

sorry if i sounded harsh

but yeah, for me theres no way im playing the cir team

the kyogre one looks a bit better at least

[lost sun]

fits my play style more aswell

[lost sun]

is there anything I should change about it other than evs

[charred saddle]

change ur incin tera and ability

[lost sun]

oh yh forgot to do tht

terra water and intim obv

[charred saddle]

and then i kinda feel like u have to change ur kyogre to grass tera

[lost sun]

or terra ghost even

[charred saddle]

i mean its a telegraphed tera

ye ghost seems fine

water is also ok

also feels like taunt in torn is better than icy wind

[lost sun]

ghost would be better right cus no fake out and fighting moves

[lost sun]

should I keep taunt on incin

[charred saddle]

i mean thats up to you

[tiny karma]

Incineroar's moveset:

Physical Moves

Acrobatics, Aerial Ace, Assurance, Bind, Bite, Blaze Kick, Body Slam, Brick Break, Brutal Swing, Bulldoze, Close Combat, Covet, Cross Chop, Crunch, Darkest Lariat, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dual Chop, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Fire Fang, Fire Punch, Flame Charge, Flare Blitz, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Fury Swipes, Giga Impact, Heat Crash, Iron Head, Knock Off, Lash Out, Leech Life, Lick, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Outrage, Pay Day, Power Trip, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Scratch, Shadow Claw, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Take Down, Temper Flare, Thief, Thrash, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, U-turn

Special Moves

Blast Burn, Burning Jealousy, Dark Pulse, Ember, Fire Blast, Fire Pledge, Fire Spin, Flamethrower, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power, Hyper Beam, Overheat, Round, Scorching Sands, Snarl, Snore, Tera Blast

Status Moves

Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Confide, Double Team, Embargo, Endure, Growl, Helping Hand, Leer, Nasty Plot, Parting Shot, Protect, Quash, Rest, Roar, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Snatch, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Torment, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Incineroar.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lost sun]

I'll swap it for wisp

[dense latch]

checked one of my opponent's rank and damn

i thought i was addicted

[lost sun]

how they gonna play 4000 matches and have a worse win rate than me

[dense latch]

that's 37 games a day if they played every day since the ladder launched

[next stump]

LOL

god damn

they gotta be playing at work

or school

[dense latch]

nah

that shit's unemployment activities

playing at work is crazy to me imagine trying to explain to your boss why you're playing a kids simulator game in the middle of your shift

[rustic mountain]

fuck yea

[next stump]

i used to rip showdown at my former job

now it’s a little too difficult

[rustic mountain]

4000 games is insane

[dense latch]

between all my alts i think i might have a bit over 1000 games

which is still a lot but not 4000 a lot

[rustic mountain]

thats normal shit

4000 on 1 acc?

[mint void]

Ngl also recommend looking at stat crusher. especially for your speed tiers and if u want to KO specifc mons

[lost sun]

what site let's me calculate Pokemon's damage

[dense latch]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/

[craggy dagger]

https://pokepast.es/c9b49f61409d6d36

need a final team member. dunno who to add

[foggy lodge]

what

Made you go for this choices

[craggy dagger]

oh
it was originally supposed to be a dual restricted team 😭
then i realized i could remove someone and make this a reg g team

i don’t really know what garchomp is doing there
something about a miraidon/koraidon counter?
it’s EV’d to outspeed pos speed nature bikes :3

[spiral ridge]

Water?

I’m realizing I’m counting whimsi as a fwg core lmfao idk how much they count

[craggy dagger]

i mean it offers defensive grass type MUs,
though it’s fragile af so

[spiral ridge]

Yeahhh

Taunt shifus or a pon could be good

You have like
A lot of natural speed besides Ho-oh
Do you need prio tw cus this team just kinda gives balance vibes

Eh RM and pao same team prob wouldn’t be good

Idk what to think with this team lmfao

[lost sun]

y do people go for 12 speed EVs on kyogre instead of 16

16 outspeeds csr if tw is up and 12 makes it a tie

[next stump]

people are using 12 SPE ev kyogre?

[craggy dagger]

isn’t 16 EV an irregular?

[lost sun]

that's what munchstats says

[craggy dagger]

you’re just wasting 4 EVs

[lost sun]

20 even

archaludon is 4 EVs under and kyogre is 4 EVs over

[craggy dagger]

unless you’re level 100
iirc 8 EVs = 1 stat
minus the first time

[next stump]

well not everyone has tailwind so that may not matter to them

[lost sun]

I do base it off lvl 100

[next stump]

if you're playing VGC do level 50

[craggy dagger]

for vgc you should work with level 50
that way you won’t waste any EVs

[lost sun]

where can I check the stats at lvl 50 like pokemondb does with 100

[craggy dagger]

i would just mess around on showdown

[bold geode]

Helloing silly

[next stump]

serebii has level 50 stats

[craggy dagger]

showdown is really good for building pokemon and testing out EVs without wasting resources in game
or you can check serebii cuz i think they display level 50 stats?

[lost sun]

I'm still right with kyogre tho

csr max speed 222 at 50
kyogre 16 spe EVs 112 at 50

so does 12 maybe ppl just use 20 to outspeed the 12 ev kyogre

[next stump]

12 EVs = 16 EVs

you'd need 20 to hit the next speed point

[craggy dagger]

monke monke

https://pokepast.es/a1a3d7fbde038d0b

am i cooking-

[left bobcat]

Lettuce snooze

💤

[lost sun]

is the best way to make money printing stuff then selling it

[left bobcat]

Oooo printing money then sell it

GENIUS

[lost sun]

item printer made me like 4 mill

30bp and some crafting materials and u pretty much get minimum 50k each time

[left bobcat]

Yeah yeah

[next stump]

money printer is super good

[lost sun]

fr

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[left bobcat]

Yeah

[lost sun]

should sell money printers

[left bobcat]

yeah

[lost sun]

print money printers then sell the printed printers so people who buy printers can print printers to sell printers

[spiral ridge]

BRAIXENNB

[lost sun]

is there a way to lower ivs

[craggy dagger]

question-
why does urshifu run detect-
i still get confused at why

[craggy dagger]

unfortunately not

[lost sun]

stops imprison

protect doesn't

[spiral ridge]

Anti imprison I think

[lost sun]

I googled it yesterday cus I had the same question

[craggy dagger]

ohhh
i see

[spiral ridge]

Plus it’s just coolee

Get a whole ass eye glare bro

[lost sun]

stab type protect

[spiral ridge]

Protects even more against everything but urshifu

[lost sun]

we need a fairy pseudo

[mint void]

NO

[lost sun]

yes

give it geomancy and it's ability makes 2 turn moves finish in 1

[craggy dagger]

almost all pseudo’s are
dragon
are you suggesting a dragon fairy type

[lost sun]

that's just mega altaria

[craggy dagger]

-# not my discussion of what dialga’s ability should have been except it’s once per switch in

[lost sun]

make it ground fairy

[solid frigate]

still remember it

[lost sun]

why is Ur message half loaded

[solid frigate]

ok you just hate Miraidon right

[lost sun]

no

[craggy dagger]

what?

[lost sun]

there's no ground fairy

[craggy dagger]

oh
you meant ground fairy 😭

[lost sun]

Ur message is faint grey like it's not sent but it is sent

[solid frigate]

yeah but i have discussion with that typing and that just hard walls Miraidon before Dgleam was using moment

[craggy dagger]

-# it’s not unloaded, it’s just how it is

[lost sun]

ohh

[spiral ridge]

-# :3

[craggy dagger]

boltbeam miraidon though

[lost sun]

such a shame

[craggy dagger]

and this time
i’m not the one who came up with it

[lost sun]

is there a ground fighting type

[solid frigate]

you did that before lol

[craggy dagger]

i did yes
and it was horrible

[spiral ridge]

Tera poison lando my love

[solid frigate]

Me when Draco

[spiral ridge]

Was it lol I remember it just not its success

[craggy dagger]

i mean
like it’s offensive capabilities was amazing

[spiral ridge]

Me when scarf go

[craggy dagger]

but it just became a trade sac mon
and that’s not what your restricted should become

[spiral ridge]

Nop

[craggy dagger]

esp if it’s like
miraidon
who’s a hard hitter

[bold geode]

You're cooking but you're actually in a rubber room

[lost sun]

with rats

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

yeah my teams slowly don't use Incin anymore

or Chi Yu

[spiral ridge]

My current next team is
Something

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[spiral ridge]

If I get hw done today I’ll write up on lunala GC rental

[left bobcat]

lol

[spiral ridge]

And then finish EVs for next team 😭😭

[craggy dagger]

isn’t it just arubega without the fari?

[left bobcat]

Hahaha that’s so funny because of the thing hahah

[solid frigate]

i'm done writing rentals i am just tired

[spiral ridge]

Dark shifu too and something else different too

[craggy dagger]

mines actual whack though

[left bobcat]

But who’s gonna pay the rent

[spiral ridge]

I forget honestly 😭

[solid frigate]

thats my regional team but without Shifu as well lmao

[craggy dagger]

cuz what the fuck is the watershifu teal mask and incin core

[spiral ridge]

I’m really curious to watch how you do lol
Your team is cool

[craggy dagger]

valiant/dusclops

[spiral ridge]

I haven’t done a draft thing since
Mtg in 8th fucking grade

[lost sun]

just printed 600k

[spiral ridge]

So it was cool to do a draft

[craggy dagger]

i think my 6th is actually really flexible though

[spiral ridge]

Mhm

[craggy dagger]

aegis aegis
i need help with learning how to play tailwind ice rider

[solid frigate]

huh-

[craggy dagger]

tailroom ice rider

[solid frigate]

um ok

[craggy dagger]

this is my core

https://pokepast.es/c88ac70b41f73420

i think i got super lucky with that draft pick

going last during round 1 and going first round 2

[spiral ridge]

Oh you’re doing an ice rider variant now?

[craggy dagger]

it was always ice rider wym

[spiral ridge]

Wasn’t it multiple restricted-

[solid frigate]

it shouldn't be an Issue

But like hmmmm TW and TR mode

[spiral ridge]

Sorry it was 2 am I couldn’t pay attention to everyone’s progress well

[chrome knot]

toronto local apr6, does framework look reasonable ? toronto meta is mostly cir but, I can mostly outplay https://pokepast.es/22be8ab591c4dd8b

[spiral ridge]

Oh wait yeah I remember watching you do imprison-
The mirror matchup 😭😭😭

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its a cool team

[spiral ridge]

I think you were thinking zacian too at start but dropped it

[craggy dagger]

falls to easily to incin

[spiral ridge]

Mhm

Decor zacian double fairy lead

[craggy dagger]

landorus is about to have a feast 😭

[solid frigate]

fuck me

[spiral ridge]

Lmfaoo
Good :3

[spiral ridge]

wtf

[craggy dagger]

that looks like a decent MU in your favour though

[spiral ridge]

Yeah

[craggy dagger]

flutter shifu lead

[spiral ridge]

Especially if icy wind flutter

[solid frigate]

i do not need Flutter

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327022734

[spiral ridge]

In fact did not

60% aqua jet lmfao

[charred saddle]

one reason is scottys answer

one more is because detect has lower pp, in niche case where u get encored, you can potentially be off frm it faster

[spiral ridge]

Love multipliers

[spiral ridge]

Would you not just struggle it?

[solid frigate]

i like Mystic Water lmao

[next stump]

i believe if you’re encored and lose PP in the move then you can switch to another one. That’s what I’ve heard but never been in that scenario

[spiral ridge]

Oh I thought it goes to struggle
Encore disable is like that at least

[charred saddle]

idk thats what i heard

i never encountered that scenario

[craggy dagger]

we can test that :0

[charred saddle]

idek where i heard about it now, iirc tofu(?)

[solid frigate]

didn't Rajan did that with his whims on a raging bolt?

[charred saddle]

i do remember it being talked in here tho

[craggy dagger]

ohhh i see

[solid frigate]

5-4 with the new core

[craggy dagger]

252 choice specs eruption entei

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 244: Entei

Type

Fire

Abilities

Pressure, Inner Focus (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

115/115/85/90/75/100

Total

580

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-me-kill-suicide-king-gif-26467934

[charred saddle]

this

#competitive_discussion message

[gentle crag]

woodtofu (ID 250386799363489808)

[Message](#competitive_discussion message) in #competitive_discussion
Its why, technically, Detect is better over protect for 2 reasons:

• Less PP
• Imprison Protect scenario

Command triggered by abused1. Message from · Jun 18, 2023, 1:42 PM

[craggy dagger]

blame someone else for trying that combo

leo can tell you

[charred saddle]

theres more context behind it so ye

[spiral ridge]

Minh lol

[craggy dagger]

though eruption was entei’s signature wasn’t it?

[solid frigate]

i don't blame Groudon on that in Gen 6 but Entei do no9t deserve to kill me with Eruption

[solid frigate]

it was yeah

cuz Entei did not get Sacred Fire yet

[tiny karma]

[gen3] Torkoal

Eruption:

• As Torkoal as an egg move

Sableye version 4.28.1

[lost sun]

torkoal the best egg move

[craggy dagger]

nope
eruption wasn’t in gen 2

[solid frigate]

oh

[craggy dagger]

dw i thought it was too

[spiral ridge]

They’d give it to entei as a sig when it’s not even a special attacker 😭
Yeah was gonna say that would be really funny

[lost sun]

I've printed so much stuff I'm out of tm materials

[spiral ridge]

Attack stat eruption

[craggy dagger]

the split was gen 4

i think?

[lost sun]

ye

[spiral ridge]

Oh fuck yeah attack split forgot about that

Oops

[plain drum]

To an extent Gen 3, fully across the board in 4

[charred saddle]

Smeni
smelly eni

[plain drum]

[craggy dagger]

the moves were split gen 4 mb
stats were gen 3
though the split was determined on the typing and fire type moves were categorized as special

[plain drum]

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/3a782f00d3412006 I'm playing this team

And its very silly

[spiral ridge]

Oo venu sun

[lost sun]

why did they make so much mixed attackers in gen 3

[solid frigate]

i can forgive the gen 3 mixed attackers

[pallid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/which-was-the-style-at-the-time-the-simpsons-abe-simpson-grandpa-simpson-grampa-simpson-gif-27496686

[charred saddle]

oo max speed modest bolt

thats interesting

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/8bf067210884216c

Finally- done

[spiral ridge]

Oh wow didn’t see that

Damage maximum

[charred saddle]

LO too

[foggy lodge]

Its faster than most Incis and bulky Rillabooms

[charred saddle]

ye thats what i realized too after running myself some speed investment in bolt

but i didnt do max speed tho

[foggy lodge]

lol

I saw that spread on uhh juniors world champion

He ran 252 252 bolt

Makes sense with life orb

Otherwise i would run bulkier

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327039940

[real prairie]

Can confirm, if they run out of PP they struggle, at least on SD anyway. Not encountered it on Cart, but i have encored into sucker punch to get them to struggle before

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327040622

WE WIN THESE

[left bobcat]

back to the drawing board it is

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/technoblade-meme-funny-we-win-these-win-gif-6407141569354434445

[spiral ridge]

Yeah swore it was struggle

I knew a Pokémon interaction nova didn’t never thought I’d see the day

[real prairie]

its a pretty niche interation unless to catch them slipping on a really low PP move

[spiral ridge]

I just assumed from the Stockholm round 2 game that’s how it worked

[next stump]

i wonder what happens if you encore them into detect when they have 0 PP already

[spiral ridge]

Insta struggle or it would be like first turn of disable where it’s like “___ can’t select that move!”

[charred saddle]

yk wat

ill just test it gimme a sec

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327046918

i got it

when you run out of PP encore ends

and you cant be encored the turn after, it will fail

[charred saddle]

ohh was about to test

[next stump]

so you can always switch moves after 8

[charred saddle]

interesting

[spiral ridge]

Ohh encore fails interesting

[craggy dagger]

ohhh

[spiral ridge]

Guess it’s only a disable thing

[real prairie]

interesting, wonder why the sucker punch interation i had made them struggle

[next stump]

choice item maybe?

[real prairie]

they might have been choice band

[charred saddle]

prob choice banded

[next stump]

yeah it had to be

[spiral ridge]

Was it a gambit or shifu?

[real prairie]

shifu

[spiral ridge]

Prob band yeah

[real prairie]

learn something new every day

whats the purpose of Tera Fairy Amoongus?

[spiral ridge]

Draco meteor tank?

[craggy dagger]

yep

[spiral ridge]

People like just draco that fucking mushroom away

Understandable honestly

[charred saddle]

ye thats the only possible reason

since miraidon is running dgleam, Electric move which amoonguss resist

they always draco meteor

[spiral ridge]

Plus raging bolt

[charred saddle]

so ye fairy seems okayish

but like damn

[spiral ridge]

Both are things sus is used to annoy

[charred saddle]

i think someone here did a fairy amoonguss

like recently

dont remember the people but ye

i was asking why it was fairy, apparently they just didnt change the tera

and didnt really care since they mostly tera their restricted

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327054826

yeah maybe ability shield ursh isnt so great

should probably make it into trick room

[chrome knot]

https://pokepast.es/148c709c877e167b does it make sense yet

[spiral ridge]

Just curious but why water bolt over fairy
Just for CIR?

[chrome knot]

ursh

cir, retain kyo resist

[spiral ridge]

Makes sense gotcha

[left bobcat]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327063035

hmmmmmmmmmmm

https://pokepast.es/b9f68a6aec34b920

ughhhhhhh I think its back to the drawing board

waitttttttt

ribombee with 124 speed while torn with 111

nvm it doesnt learn taunt

[lost sun]

y r dondozo players so boring

[real prairie]

Im actually sick of the number of hard TR teams that have surfaced since this weekend

[tiny karma]

Hitmonchan's moveset:

Physical Moves

Bide, Body Slam, Brick Break, Bulldoze, Bullet Punch, Close Combat, Comet Punch, Counter, Covet, Dizzy Punch, Double-Edge, Drain Punch, Dynamic Punch, Earthquake, Endeavor, Facade, Fake Out, Feint, Fire Punch, Fling, Focus Punch, Frustration, Giga Impact, Headbutt, High Jump Kick, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Low Kick, Low Sweep, Mach Punch, Mega Kick, Mega Punch, Natural Gift, Poison Jab, Power-Up Punch, Pursuit, Rage, Rapid Spin, Retaliate, Return, Revenge, Reversal, Rock Slide, Rock Smash, Rock Tomb, Secret Power, Seismic Toss, Skull Bash, Sky Uppercut, Stone Edge, Strength, Submission, Tackle, Take Down, Thief, Throat Chop, Thunder Punch, Trailblaze, Upper Hand

Special Moves

Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Hidden Power, Mud-Slap, Round, Snore, Swift, Tera Blast, Uproar, Vacuum Wave

Status Moves

Agility, Attract, Baton Pass, Bulk Up, Captivate, Coaching, Confide, Curse, Detect, Double Team, Encore, Endure, Focus Energy, Foresight, Helping Hand, Laser Focus, Leer, Metronome, Mimic, Mind Reader, Protect, Quick Guard, Rain Dance, Rest, Role Play, Scary Face, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swagger, Swords Dance, Taunt, Toxic, Work Up

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Hitmonchan.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327096606

LOL

[spiral ridge]

LMFAO

Damn it learns a lot

[real prairie]

Wait is Hitmonchan viable? One of my favourite mons

[left bobcat]

Cuz it’s all thanks to THAT INDIVIDUAL

[gentle crag]

l_delacruz__ has given 1 Gen Rep to alexr8698

[left bobcat]

Eh

[real prairie]

Dillon checking Hitmonchan moveset lol

[left bobcat]

I’m just gonna use ability shield whims

UGHHHHHH ribombee also doesnt learn encore

Lameeeeeeeee

[spiral ridge]

Cus the match they posted

[feral valley]

guys

I need help i have a question

[left bobcat]

Ask away

[feral valley]

does clear amulet block the attack drop from chilling water

[left bobcat]

Hopefully I have an answer

[left bobcat]

Yes

[feral valley]

shoot

[craggy dagger]

yes!
it blocks all stat drops no matter what

[left bobcat]

Clear amulet prevents any stat drops

[feral valley]

thats not good

ughhhhhh

[craggy dagger]

it’s why parting shot doesn’t work into clear amulet

[real prairie]

I know, I had hope for a second then I watched the replay and lol

[left bobcat]

And also because ummmmm uhhhhhhhhhh

[feral valley]

im trying so hard to counter tera fire calyrex ice inside trick room

[left bobcat]

Just knock off and start parting shots

[feral valley]

and i was thinking clefairy with after you and chilling water and protect calyrex shadow

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-pokemon-pokemon-sword-and-shield-pokemon-journeys-urshifu-move-gif-24747047

[real prairie]

You see the guy that ran clear amulet haterenne as a bluff? Lol

[feral valley]

he gets one shot by glacial lance

[real prairie]

Didn't get parting shot once

[craggy dagger]

what 😭

[left bobcat]

HUH?

[feral valley]

by the time i bring him in

[real prairie]

Absolutely doesn't

[left bobcat]

I think I’m hallucinating

[craggy dagger]

resist = ohko?
is this the new meta

[atomic mural]

bro is building urshifu wrong

[feral valley]

he does by the time i bring him in cuz he gets attack buffs

[solid frigate]

212+ Atk Mystic Water Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 204 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice with an ally's Friend Guard on a critical hit: 180-216 (89.5 - 107.4%) -- approx. 31.3% chance to OHKO

[craggy dagger]

you might wanna consider bringing it in sooner then

[feral valley]

and i cant hard swap

[real prairie]

You could not build it and it'd survive

[solid frigate]

ok HOW?

[atomic mural]

-def nature no defense or hp iv

[feral valley]

i cant cuz in trick room i cant outspeed so im guaranteed having to eat two hits and he cant take 2

[craggy dagger]

do you not have any pivot moves?
what’s the team?

[solid frigate]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 44 HP / 212 Atk / 4 Def / 156 SpD / 92 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet
• Detect

Just try this spread

[left bobcat]

Maybe if it gets multiple chilling neighs

[feral valley]

its a physical move

[left bobcat]

But even then I think ursh can survive 1 +1 or +2 glacial lance

[craggy dagger]

even then it should be a high roll

[feral valley]

glacial lance is physical

[craggy dagger]

yeah-
and shifu is much more bulkier on the physical side

are you using the right urshifu-
it’s water and not dark right

[feral valley]

ya im using water

[craggy dagger]

😭

[real prairie]

You have us all very confused goober

[feral valley]

i have an entire mon dedicated to stopping trick room from getting set up but my issue is once i stop the tr its dead weight so i wanna replace it

[real prairie]

What's the spread you are running

[molten oasis]

[feral valley]

jolly max attack max speed

and i have a torn with rain dance and tailwind

[solid frigate]

Shifu Lives +2 Glacial

[craggy dagger]

are you sure

+2 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 44 HP / 4 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 99-117 (54.6 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[feral valley]

oh and life orb

[solid frigate]

252+ Atk Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 50-59 (28.5 - 33.7%) -- 0.3% chance to 3HKO

[craggy dagger]

are you fully sure

+2 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 100-118 (56.8 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[molten oasis]

What is happening

[solid frigate]

teambuild issue with Shifu

[feral valley]

im bad at this game and tryingf to understand stuff

[craggy dagger]

water shifu gets one shot by glacial lance

somehow

[feral valley]

guys i lost to a porygon the other day. base form porygon

[solid frigate]

which IMPOSSIBLE

[molten oasis]

Eh

[real prairie]

Goober, stick your team in a paste and let's see what we are actually working with

[craggy dagger]

ah
there we go

+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 150-177 (85.2 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[feral valley]

no im gatekeeping

[molten oasis]

Not if it’s like +4, oh wait who gets their CIR that many kills

Why

[feral valley]

lol

[craggy dagger]

nono
look
it does ohko

+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Calyrex-Ice Helping Hand Glacial Lance vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 225-266 (127.8 - 151.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[knotty mirage]

[feral valley]

ok fine but idk how to paste my whole team here. also i never grinded enough tera shards so the tera types are a little wonky

[real prairie]

Terrifying

[real prairie]

It's no shame, trying to help 😄

[solid frigate]

212+ Atk Mystic Water Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 204 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice with an ally's Friend Guard on a critical hit: 180-216 (89.5 - 107.4%) -- approx. 31.3% chance to OHKO

I did not count Rain yet

And yes it has Friend Guard

212+ Atk Mystic Water Tera Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 204 HP / 4 Def Tera Fire Calyrex-Ice on a critical hit: 240-288 (119.4 - 143.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[feral valley]

Calyrex-Shadow @ Focus Sash
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Astral Barrage
• Protect
• Psychic
• Nasty Plot

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: flying
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Bleakwind Storm
• Protect
• Taunt

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Will-O-Wisp
• Flare Blitz
• Taunt
• Fake Out

Farigiraf @ Psychic Seed
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Ally Switch
• Trick Room
• Imprison
• Helping Hand

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Life Orb
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Aqua Jet
• Close Combat
• Detect
• Surging Strikes

And a rillaboom with 252hp, apprx 100 attk and the rest in spDef, holding assault vest tera grass, with knock off, wood hammer, u-turn, and grassy glide

[real prairie]

You can build the team on showdown and then hit " send to poke paste"

[solid frigate]

ok no wonder.

[charred saddle]

holy shit hitmonchan tropius and gastro

thats insane

[solid frigate]

Hitmonchan in this economy?

[craggy dagger]

i found the issue-
you’re letting your ice weak mona go down instantly
try leading something not ice weak

[left bobcat]

Ahem- incin

[feral valley]

i dont lead torn against calyrex ice team LOL

[craggy dagger]

also psychic seed without psychic terrain?

[solid frigate]

there is a reason why i show him the team i would run as Shadow Rider btw

[solid frigate]

Taunt?

[feral valley]

YES BRU MY FARIG IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO COUNTER INDEEDEE

[craggy dagger]

why do you need to counter indeedee ?

[left bobcat]

Indeedee doesn’t even do anything

[craggy dagger]

run grassy seed for defense buff

[solid frigate]

https://pokepast.es/54b7d28cbab36121

Just use this pls.

[feral valley]

indeedee is always next to it so i cant prankster taunt so i lead incin taunt indeedee and imprison so caly cant tr

[craggy dagger]

you have imprison 😭
that locks both caly and dee’s trick room

[solid frigate]

so your team is basically trying to Hard Counter Hard TR but fail miserably

[craggy dagger]

you said you have rilla so you can use that to reset terrain

[feral valley]

yes but then i taunt indeedee so it has to switch and i get a sp def buff out of it

[charred saddle]

it reaches 1708 so

[feral valley]

i dont fail against that comp. i fail against scarf kyogre

[solid frigate]

i think just focus on one archetype to counter just makes your Other matchups a LOT vulnerable

[feral valley]

and any team with more than one normal type

[craggy dagger]

you don’t need the spdef buff imo
you’ve got rilla so take advantage of the defense buff to take less damage against ice rider

[charred saddle]

😭

just fucking crazy team comp

[solid frigate]

hold on

Let them cook

lmfao

[craggy dagger]

not really

out of everything i’m worried about tropius

[feral valley]

i bring in rilla for the terrain war but i cant swap rilla in if caly ice is on the field cuz i get one shot it needs a clean switch in to do anything

[solid frigate]

again just use my team- i am not asking

Cuz you failed to realise how you gonna teambuild

[craggy dagger]

switch in rilla cuz if they lead dee ice rider, it’s 99% of the time follow me trick room

[charred saddle]

honestly i feel his gameplan is fine

but LO watershifu is kinda what

and the EV spreads are kinda weird

[craggy dagger]

terrain resets, taunt the indeedee and let trick room go up
fake out ice rider and switch into a different mon for the tornadus slot
glide into the ice rider and surging strikes the ice rider
or you can hard swap rilla into something else

[solid frigate]

just run Mystic Water or even Scarf

heck i would not be mad if you are using Band cuz band is bullshitly strong

[feral valley]

u guys need to understand i am VERY NEW to competitive i enjoy watching wolfey but never tried competitive until last week. im already rank 10 so i think thats a good start

[craggy dagger]

you can run clefairy for after you ghost boosted astral barrages

[craggy dagger]

ah-
that
makes sense
sorry for being harsh

[feral valley]

yes im actually working on bringing in clefairy rn

[solid frigate]

THATS WHAT I SAY

But nuh uh Fari

[craggy dagger]

only issue with after you is follow me stops it

[feral valley]

i love my farig but i think its time for my fun ally switch plays to go

[charred saddle]

well you didnt say that
and if you dont have like spreads to take, id suggest to take a look at munchstats

[craggy dagger]

ally switch is nice but in a spread move situation it’s not that useful

still
ally switch is a nice tech

[feral valley]

ik protect on clefairy is good but id rather run chilling water so if i get taunted i dont struggle

[solid frigate]

ya know

Since Torkal always goes First in TR

Just Tera Water CSR,Hopefully you got a calm mind boost and spam After you Astral Barrage after torkal lands eruption

[feral valley]

its helped me so much especially against fluitter mane who goes shadow ball into caly. i ally switch and his turn is wasted and i get a free nasty plot off

[craggy dagger]

true trueee

[feral valley]

i love ally switch

[foggy lodge]

Clefairy doesn't need attacking moves

[solid frigate]

not a lot of Prankster Mons Live +1 Astral Barrage safely

So yeah

[craggy dagger]

it always feels really good whenever you get an ally switch off

[feral valley]

sash whimsicott

[feral valley]

yess i do it for the fun of it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah I get taunt makes you struggle but Clefairy's movepool really means you are forfeiting all the great moves

[solid frigate]

you could just double up?

[charred saddle]

btw nova nova

50 mill

[foggy lodge]

Follow me helping hand protect life dew after you are all really useful moves

[solid frigate]

DU moment

[feral valley]

no lol if i see whimsicott i lead torn and outspeed taunt it. for some reason every whimsicott i face isnt max speed and since my torn is timid i get the taunt off

[solid frigate]

Life dew feels scammy but whatever it works

[craggy dagger]

here
a team id try out if you still wanna keep that core is
this one
https://pokepast.es/dc80ccc431b60d72

[solid frigate]

honestly thats a placement issue on your part then

[feral valley]

wdym 😭

[craggy dagger]

i kinda like the idea of fari clefairy

[feral valley]

both??

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[feral valley]

then who do i drop

[craggy dagger]

ones a prio denial while the other is supportive

[craggy dagger]

^^

[foggy lodge]

That's a really really passive team lol

[craggy dagger]

mhm
take it slow and keep pace imo

[feral valley]

btw before when i started i had amoonguss and not rilla but realized i never bring it in so i made the swap and thank god i did cuz ya

[craggy dagger]

esp if you’re having trouble into hard tr.

[foggy lodge]

I think prio denial is unnecesary with clefairy

[feral valley]

NO INCIN?

[charred saddle]

idk taking it slow and keep pace doesnt really do much to a HO neutral damage

you can just swap fari to incin

[craggy dagger]

blarg-
indontnlikeincin

[charred saddle]

or just like fari to chiyu

[solid frigate]

you know you can switch Out right

Also if you wanna be a jerk

Run Tera Water Iron Hands

[feral valley]

will o wisp won me games tho 😭

[craggy dagger]

true true

[feral valley]

nuh uh i dont run

[solid frigate]

Le gasp

[craggy dagger]

maybe incin would be better in place of fari

[solid frigate]

how dare you insult to my GOAT who lived +2 single target Astral Barrage

[feral valley]

btw i lost a game to a tera bug 1hp heatran with my full hp incin because i didnt know flash fire was a thing and my only attacking move that i could use was flare blitz

[craggy dagger]

i’d run knock off over flare blitz imo

[feral valley]

and will o wisp didnt work either

[craggy dagger]

knock off is much better for utility

[foggy lodge]

You don't have knock off?

[solid frigate]

he placed it on rilla.

[craggy dagger]

also what’s with the heatran resurgence 😭

[feral valley]

i know but against sun teams where my torn is ded flare blitz becomes so strong

[foggy lodge]

oh

[solid frigate]

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 44 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Iron Hands: 212-251 (90.2 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

This is just blissful

[craggy dagger]

still

[foggy lodge]

Don't play knock off rilla lmao

[feral valley]

yall mean fr

:(

[craggy dagger]

stab knock off would be better

[solid frigate]

welcome to Comp Pokemon : )

[foggy lodge]

No but like what do you forfeit for knock off

[feral valley]

ugh fine ill do fake out rilla instead

[feral valley]

flare blitz

[craggy dagger]

tbf
if grassy glide wasn’t nerfed

knock off rilla would be a go

[solid frigate]

again

Thats what it need to win Stockholm honestly

[foggy lodge]

Wood hammer grassy glide and fake out are all necessary and the last lne just varies between HHP and U-turn

[spiral ridge]

How much it get nerfed?

[opaque wedge]

yo guys i just ffound out that you can make a build for bisharp that is better than king gambit here is the build. held item: eviolite ability defiant 1st move night slash 2nd move iron head 3rd move sucker punch 4th move sword dance

[craggy dagger]

i thought it was hhp/glide

[solid frigate]

Singles?

[next stump]

no you need glide

[foggy lodge]

No you never forfeit glide

[craggy dagger]

i think 10 base power?
i don’t remember

oh-

[spiral ridge]

I wasn’t around

[solid frigate]

70->60 iirc

[tiny karma]

Move: Grassy Glide

If the current terrain is Grassy Terrain and the user is grounded, this move has its priority increased by 1.

Type

Grass

Category

Physical

Power

70

Max Power

120

Accuracy

100

PP (max)

20 (32)

Move Flags

​

Mirror

Copied by Mirror Move.

Contact

Makes contact.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[spiral ridge]

It’s like urshi I’m assuming that drop cc for taunt over aqua
Prio is really important

[craggy dagger]

max power 120 is crazy though

[molten oasis]

Glide and fake out are required

You can use drum beating instead of wood hammer if you really wanted to

[opaque wedge]

held item: eviolite ability defiant 1st move night slash 2nd move iron head 3rd move sucker punch 4th move swords dance

[foggy lodge]

That's for like max speed rilla

[solid frigate]

+2 252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 44 HP / 136 Def Tera Water Iron Hands: 111-131 (47.2 - 55.7%) -- 78.1% chance to 2HKO

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

[molten oasis]

Then u-turn and HHP are dependent on the set

[foggy lodge]

Cuz it outspeeds adamant urshifu

[molten oasis]

K, that’s fine

I’m just saying it’s an option

[craggy dagger]

ohhh
i see

[solid frigate]

isn't Gambit still bulkier than Eviolite Bisharp

[craggy dagger]

bisharp is faster

[foggy lodge]

I know I never said anything lol

[molten oasis]

Please just use gambit lol

[opaque wedge]

nature is adamant btw

[craggy dagger]

and i think just barely bulkier than gambit

[foggy lodge]

I like my bisharp evolution to hold an item sorry

[craggy dagger]

gambit just hits harder

[solid frigate]

yeah but why run that when you can use a slower one that is bulkier and Kowtow Cleave is absolutely fucking busted

[craggy dagger]

i’ve used bisharp and it’s
alright

[molten oasis]

Just run gambit it’s so much better

[craggy dagger]

gambit > bisharp for sure but i was in a draft scenario so

i had to make do with bisharp

[solid frigate]

draft then its ok

But like in normal terms yeah-

[craggy dagger]

as much as i’m a person who loves using less used and known pokemon
bisharp is one of the pokemon i wouldn’t use willingly

[solid frigate]

thank god you are not insane enough

[gentle crag]

morrispxg456 has given 1 Gen Rep to interstellar_latte

[opaque wedge]

I gotta say the health stat for bisharp is ok its highest is 316 i think for hp (or mabye thats just my bisharp)

[craggy dagger]

it’s
level 100?

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 625: Bisharp

Types

Dark/Steel

Abilities

Defiant, Inner Focus, Pressure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

65/125/100/60/70/70

Total

490

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

yeah nah i knew soemthing is fishy

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 983: Kingambit

Types

Dark/Steel

Abilities

Defiant, Supreme Overlord, Pressure (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/135/120/60/85/50

Total

550

Sableye version 4.28.1

[foggy lodge]

its only 65 HP???

[craggy dagger]

bisharp is defensively bulky
but still not worth it at all

[molten oasis]

65 hp

Please do not run bisharp it’s worse than I thought

[craggy dagger]

it’s the hydrapple/dipplin scenario again

[molten oasis]

Bro absolutely folds to any flutter or chi yu lol

[foggy lodge]

hydrapple dipplim scenario but hydrapple is a nuclear bomb

[craggy dagger]

yeah basically

[molten oasis]

Compared to dipplin

[solid frigate]

at least Gambit can beat Flutter in some occasions-

[molten oasis]

I wish it was better I love hydrapple

[opaque wedge]

i would suggest bisharp for raids though maybe use it in a pinch at a online match

[craggy dagger]

well
the atk stats for the two in comparison atm isn’t the worst

[craggy dagger]

raids-

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 1019: Hydrapple

Types

Grass/Dragon

Abilities

Supersweet Syrup, Regenerator, Sticky Hold (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

106/80/110/120/80/44

Total

540

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

[solid frigate]

just use Iron Hands?

Or yet Ape?

[molten oasis]

Yk, if the ability was better and a better typing I think Hydrapple could have been gas

Grass dragon just kinda sucks

[craggy dagger]

yeah

[solid frigate]

more alternative abilities DIscussions kek

[craggy dagger]

appletun is technically better than hydrapple cuz of thick fat

[foggy lodge]

Regenearator is okay

[molten oasis]

Well no if syupersweet syrup was better you could pair it with kyogre or groudon

[solid frigate]

its just the defensive typing is

Mid at best-

[molten oasis]

Then they wouldn’t miss their moves

But it’s once per battle which is so ass

[opaque wedge]

if you buff out bisharp's attack stat it can be good and defiant is whenever bisharp's stats get lowered its attack stat gets raised sharply

[feral valley]

guys whats the best way to get friend guard zero speed iv clefairy

[solid frigate]

just use Belly Drum Iron Hands anyway

[foggy lodge]

Breeding

[feral valley]

u can pass down both?

[solid frigate]

Kitakami if you have no life

Breeding if you also have no life

[foggy lodge]

Idk I haven't breed one

[feral valley]

wdym kitakami

[foggy lodge]

But you just need ability patch

[molten oasis]

It’s a great ability I’d argue

[opaque wedge]

• swords dance and maxed out atk stat it can be decent for raids or maybe (i wouldnt suggest it kinda) pvp

[molten oasis]

But it has like, no niche over amoonguss with regen

[solid frigate]

at night Clefas will spawn in Kitakami

[feral valley]

i have one clefairy and its speed stat is "very good"

[feral valley]

can they spawn with HA or do i need to ability patch

[charred saddle]

if u have 0 speed ditto u can use power item in it

[solid frigate]

if you are slower than Amoonguss in 27 IVs then you should be fine imo

[charred saddle]

and have it bred with clef and just patch afterword

[feral valley]

ngl idk how to breed in this game

[solid frigate]

P I C N I K

[charred saddle]

ditto, hold speed power item
clefairy female HA preferably if u dont want to waste AP

only that 2, hold picnic

[opaque wedge]

now lets talk about golurk its speed stat SUCKS but it can have no guard idk if that makes up for it though maybe you can have someone in doubles were it can do most of the damage and golurk can be used if a pokemon usess something like dig (i wouldnt suggest it though)

[charred saddle]

get egg power sandwich lvl 2

[foggy lodge]

Egg group also works

[solid frigate]

ok then that was easy huh

[charred saddle]

wait, take egg, run around

[foggy lodge]

Search if you have anything of the same group with 0 speed or something

[feral valley]

ngl im just gonna get one from gen 6/7

[charred saddle]

never did that since thats more brain power usage

i have most ditto ready so yeah

i just use ditto

[foggy lodge]

I don't have dittos for specific ivs

I only have a 6 iv one

[charred saddle]

i have like 6 IV, 0a, 0s, 0a0s
all in foreign iirc

got it all through trade

[craggy dagger]

dam

[charred saddle]

now that fucking reminds me i havent finished masudaing my 0a0s F indeedee

[solid frigate]

anyways nova i'll build Lunadon in the other VC lmao

[craggy dagger]

oh oh
leo leo
cloak tera poison pao

[charred saddle]

what is that

[foggy lodge]

Anyways here's my Lunala Groudon version https://pokepast.es/bbb8bf02bc496f7e

[charred saddle]

kinda feel that the lunala spot is just flutters spot

[molten oasis]

Looks solid

[spiral ridge]

Leoleoeleoeo

I’m free now if you’re still around

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/efe8cfeb45318372

[charred saddle]

i blame VC gimme a secd

[spiral ridge]

lol

[lost sun]

explain to me how I use origin pulse 4 times and it misses 3 times

[shadow wind]

Water spout was looking at you funny

[lost sun]

ye 60 hp water spout was the better move and it ain't funny

[shadow wind]

Does more damage than a missed move

I know from personal experience with Groudon

[lost sun]

the only way he could've won was my origin pulse missing his lunala and suicune and it did

[craggy dagger]

yes :)

[charred saddle]

vc?

[craggy dagger]

ummmm
maybe later?

[charred saddle]

[spiral ridge]

Leo is fat shaming cutie skeledirge :(

[charred saddle]

[real prairie]

love cacturn

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9doublesubers-2327150479

Triple Para Sandy Shocks moment

[solid frigate]

@spiral ridge lemme in :3

[real prairie]

?

[solid frigate]

got 3 Paras lmao

[real prairie]

whats that got to do with cacturn? lol

but ouch

[solid frigate]

just a funny moment

[spiral ridge]

Not my vc

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 898: Calyrex-Ice

Types

Psychic/Ice

Abilities

As One (Glastrier)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

100/165/150/85/130/50

Total

680

Base Species

Calyrex

Sableye version 4.28.1

[solid frigate]

shite-

[astral kelp]

sceptile has kind of a crazy move pool

also learning unburden is kinda crazy

[solid frigate]

its just not that good for using unburden ability imo

[charred saddle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327201095

[astral kelp]

im thinking something like this with parabolic charge miraidon could be cool

razor claw miraidon with parabolic charge doing a billion damage

and ig landerous?

not too many good volt absorb pokemon

[next stump]

iron hands is basically volt absorb

[mint void]

Scarf thundurus is cool too

[astral kelp]

i think i want something tanky and that has good pivoting

im considering land-t

ooh ting lu

[dense latch]

lando t is really bad in reg g imo

ting lu would be harming you with vessel of ruin

[left bobcat]

And I’m finally home

Alright chat what’s cookin

[astral kelp]

wtf whos running atk primarino

[astral kelp]

isnt that atk?

[left bobcat]

Huh

[dense latch]

no

[astral kelp]

oh im silly

[left bobcat]

Man I had to double check that

[astral kelp]

my options kinda suck

ig i can run a telapathy pokemon

lets try this lmao

wtfman

[solid frigate]

thats cute

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327213115

[solid frigate]

@molten oasis Kyurem White funni

[astral kelp]

found a team so shit that i somehow won

[molten oasis]

I know lol

[solid frigate]

look at that single freeze its so cute

meanwhile me:

[real prairie]

i might be cooking something, im not sure yet. https://pokepast.es/fbc9477bd6c40ae7

[molten oasis]

lol

[real prairie]

not as creative as my other squad, thats for sure lol

[solid frigate]

yeah its basically just the CM ogre comp nothing bad

[real prairie]

If ya can't beat em....

[molten oasis]

“Cooking” shifu incin shroom

(I’m kidding)

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327215030
this shit is so peak

[molten oasis]

Looks solid

[astral kelp]

hear me out rainbow+blizzard

[astral kelp]

this seems more normal than usual tbh

[left bobcat]

Undercooked

[solid frigate]

IS FUCKING RA-

[molten oasis]

Low elo and their sitrus incins man

So annoying

[left bobcat]

lol

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2327248266-xqrf1o40m1ijmmw576jl5pmam1rnm83pw chiyu feeling really good in this

imagine that flare blitz didnt crit the flower wouldve just swept

[chrome knot]

@next stump what the hell spread do u run on cocloak peli

[lost sun]

if I fail a protect can I use a protect again after or could it fail

[charred saddle]

if u mean
t1 protect
t2 fails protect

then yes, t3 will be a successful protect

[lost sun]

ok thx

is kyurem becoming popular I've seen it twice today

only played like 6 battles aswell

[paper shard]

is it difficult to get into competitive?

[lost sun]

nah

[craggy dagger]

depends

[lost sun]

ain't much but it's my first season and I'm in master ball rank

archaludon goated

just took out this guys entire team

[paper shard]

gonna give it a go see how i get on

can you use any pokemon or is there restrictions?

[next stump]

there are restrictions called regulations

currently we’re in regulation G for one more month

[next stump]

I’d look to live life orb barrage to start

and maybe like

idk the speed

@paper shard i’m headed to bed but if you have any more questions like how to play in real life tournaments, feel free to ping me and ill answer tomorrow

[feral valley]

I swapped farig for clefairy and I can't keep losing

[craggy dagger]

[feral valley]

no i meant I can't win

I'm losing all my games

[craggy dagger]

oh

[lost sun]

I should make my kyogre faster than archaludon right so against pogos it hits first then let's arch get a body press super effective

[shadow wind]

Top 100 once more !

[molten oasis]

Nice

[shadow wind]

And I beat the Miraidon Volc team, I forgot how annoying it was

[cyan smelt]

how did u beat it

[shadow wind]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2327292903-bdq6o1h8205ilqq2na84fa1c7udwxtypw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2327294738-00kvfl2ge4l2636tpuhb5ji8787hag6pw

I even missed my pblades and still won

[lost sun]

if u used origin pulse it would've missed 75% of the time

[shadow wind]

Bro I don't wanna hear nothing about those moves 😭

[cyan smelt]

whenever you need them to hit they miss but as soon as your opp uses them they hit

[shadow wind]

I thought it was over

Although to be fair, would've done like 50 to hands

[lost sun]

istg when my opponent has 1 way of winning and it's a crit or a miss or both it always happens

[shadow wind]

That's why you gotta position yourself so they don't have ANY way to win

[lost sun]

deadass gonna start using 50hp spout instead

[shadow wind]

156+ Atk Groudon Precipice Blades vs. 60 HP / 20 Def Iron Hands through Reflect: 108-128 (45.5 - 54%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[cyan smelt]

calm mind ogre ftw

[shadow wind]

Yeah ok it mattered but it wasn't going to kill

[lost sun]

if it was my groudon it would be a 100%

[shadow wind]

Ok?

Can your Groudon do this?

252+ SpA Life Orb Tera Ghost Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 84 SpD Groudon: 174-205 (84 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[lost sun]

where do u get the calcs from

[shadow wind]

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com

[cyan smelt]

i need to recalc skeledirge so it can survive an astral barrage

[lost sun]

last time I had a groudon was oras

[shadow wind]

My Groudon is made fat

[lost sun]

I've got the treat for it so when I need groudon I'll get it

[shadow wind]

I want him living some stuff

And he seems to be workin

[lost sun]

I got archaludon to do that

then some guy crit it when it had +4def

[shadow wind]

Clearly he don't know ball

[molten oasis]

I’ve missed half my play roughs today

[shadow wind]

That sucks

[lost sun]

nah he got a goated electro shot

[cyan smelt]

i'm still tossing up between spinner and crash on pao

[shadow wind]

Do you have terrain on your team?

[lost sun]

spinner if u don't have rilla or indeedee

[cyan smelt]

yes

[shadow wind]

Crash

[lost sun]

ye

[lost sun]

or miraidon

[cyan smelt]

but i don't want to bring rilla if they have volc

[shadow wind]

I actually refuse to use Pao with terrains since I can't use ice spinner

I hate crash with a passion

[lost sun]

y would u bring pao

[cyan smelt]

for miraidon

[lost sun]

fair

[cyan smelt]

but they tera to fairy anyway so idk

[lost sun]

terra poison terra blast 🗣️🗣️

[shadow wind]

I like tera poison

My moon is actually tera poison

[lost sun]

I like it on lando

[feral valley]

dude

[cyan smelt]

lando and miraidon two mons i struggle with atm

[lost sun]

I struggle with moon

[shadow wind]

And Pao does good into both !

[cyan smelt]

lando just teras into water

[feral valley]

I got para'd by prankster grimsnarl and got paralyzed EVERY SINGLE TURN

[shadow wind]

Yes

[feral valley]

I CLICKED MY MOVE EIGHT TIMES

[shadow wind]

Yes

[feral valley]

NOT A SINGKE TURN

[shadow wind]

Yeah, it happens

[lost sun]

unfortunate

[feral valley]

I WISH I WAS RECORDING CUZ WTF THERES NO WAY

[molten oasis]

Cool, just, balance CSR is such a lame fight

[shadow wind]

Sounds like an average Tuesday on ladder

[feral valley]

ON BOTH MY MONS??? THERES NO WAY I GO FOUR WHOLE TURNS WHERE BOTH MY MONS DONT GET TO DO ANYTHING

[molten oasis]

That being the entire ladder is so miserable

[feral valley]

it literally isnt

[shadow wind]

Why you need to take luck out and team build around prankster twave

[lost sun]

my kyogre missed 3 pulses in a row

[molten oasis]

It literally is

[feral valley]

miss against me ffs

[lost sun]

would if I use it against u

[shadow wind]

Miss 8 Origin Pulses, click it 9 times !

[lost sun]

genuinely tempted to give it the item that raised accuracy

[lost sun]

then give it blizzard instead of beam

[cyan smelt]

you gotta take out grimmsnarl before it disrupts your whole team

[shadow wind]

Get prio block or a dark type to deal with it

[lost sun]

terra dark

[shadow wind]

I like tera dark on a few mons

[lost sun]

I got it on landorus

[shadow wind]

I use it on my Bronzong

[lost sun]

mainly for whims

[cyan smelt]

if you're missing origin pulses just use gravity

[shadow wind]

I use gravity

[lost sun]

do any of these get gravity

EVs have been fixed

not on SD but in game

[cyan smelt]

tsareena is good prio blocker on rain

[shadow wind]

They don't need prio block that was the other dude

[lost sun]

ye but indeedee removes trickroom if needed and has shadow ball for moon and csr

[cyan smelt]

you could also put snarl on arch for csr