Unlike most water moves hydro steam gets boosted in both rain and sun
#competitive_discussion
left bobcat
azure ether
there's no restriction that says it only works in sun
chrome swallow
yeah but if wake is the ace of the team, depending on that move in the rain is not ideal
craggy dagger
what do i get out of it 
foggy lodge
yeah but if wake is the ace of the team, depending on that move in the rain is n...
Explain
chrome knot
i bring to milwaukee
azure ether
how much longer until we circle back to that quote from Skraw
chrome swallow
Explain
we talking abt wake cause this dude up thete building team around wake
its his win condition
foggy lodge
no explain wdym with "depending on that move in the rain is not ideal"
Cuz maybe im lost
chrome swallow
I j dont think wake should be the focus of the team, cause if rain gets set, and it does quite a lot, walking wake is no different than a regular water type
molten oasis
foggy lodge
I j dont think wake should be the focus of the team, cause if rain gets set, and...
Ah
chrome swallow
<:CatStare:892867156096712774>
ik bro i been focused on ur team😭
foggy lodge
Yeah I'm honestly not too into walking wake zacian I've told drago about it
chrome swallow
and then people j completely shifted focus to wake himself, its funny
chrome swallow
Yeah I'm honestly not too into walking wake zacian I've told drago about it
not saying remove wake, my whole point has been that i dont think it is reliable to depend on him
foggy lodge
I think Urshifu is just the better option
craggy dagger
i bring to milwaukee
foggy lodge
he using urshifu dark
He removed it
chrome swallow
wake is a off brand dracovish, dracovish did ts without depending on weather, it was insane specially w zacian (unless intimidate mon)
azure ether
2 spots open pefect for Rilla Incin to fill
chrome swallow
although wake is good asf, it doesn't do what dracovish did imo, because it depends so heavy in weather
shadow wind
Guys what do we think
chrome swallow
hahahahha
mfs geeking to be original, but meta is too powerful
sometimes u j gota follow the meta😪
foggy lodge
Yeah just idk I think wake struggles in general
azure ether
it's not like they're building it for a major tour
chrome swallow
not struggles, j unreliable for win condition imo
dense latch
i’ve never respected a walking wake anytime i play one and ngl it’s never done anything to prove me wrong
foggy lodge
The teams it has been most consistent have been with groudon/koraidon and even then I think it struggles
foggy lodge
i’ve never respected a walking wake anytime i play one and ngl it’s never done a...
It has one shotted a mon with hydrosteam or something and then I one shot it with another thing
chrome swallow
do anyone play singles? I got a lil bored of doubles after reaching masterball and shifted to singles a lil
its a completely diff thing ngl
foggy lodge
Not me personally I don't like singles
azure ether
I wanna see Gouging Fire have a resurgence
shadow wind
I wanna see Gouging Fire have a resurgence
I love Gouging Fire
foggy lodge
I wanna see Gouging Fire have a resurgence
It has with chinese sun in very early rer g
chrome swallow
doubles better fs, but i see some fun it it ngl
dense latch
do anyone play singles? I got a lil bored of doubles after reaching masterball a...
you should go on showdown and try climbing ladder in bo3 maybe
it’s a fun change
foggy lodge
But chinese sun fell off very quickly lol
It was such a cool team
AV groudon with howl gouging fire
chrome swallow
yeah im master ball doubles and ultra ball singles rn
foggy lodge
😔
chrome swallow
lunala team for singles
chrome swallow
But chinese sun fell off very quickly lol
😪
next stump
in game singles is a snooze fest
craggy dagger
i feel like singles on cart is really easy but on showdown it’s like a 80 turn stall fest
shadow wind
i feel like singles on cart is really easy but on showdown it’s like a 80 turn s...
3v3 compared to 6v6
chrome knot
so nova..
spiral ridge
so nova..
What if I gave you a non shiny eternatus to use instead for no reason cus I got 10 of them
spiral ridge
Replaying swsh is so fun
chrome knot
i also have a dumb eternatus participation award
fringe fossil
I love swsh definitley my fav switch pokemon game
spiral ridge
I gotta replay XY soon
molten oasis
Just fkcn irritated I can’t mess with a Mon at all because urshifu exists
astral kelp
lol look at this random team
azure ether
bc with each calyrex i catch
what's the 4th Calyrex for?
I thought you'd only need 2-3
spiral ridge
Others
chrome knot
what's the 4th Calyrex for?
0spe for victoria ly
0atk love ball for me
love ball cir for me
another one for friend
azure ether
oh aethetic catches
shadow wind
Why does Zama just get to invalidate Groudon 😔
chrome knot
oh aethetic catches
all my vgc mons are love ball caught yeah
azure ether
I was under the impression that there's another hyper specific IV set
0 atk CSR, 0 Spe CIR, non-0 Spe CIR
so I was wondering what a 4th Caly was for 
mint void
Almost lost to missclick
lost sun
can finally use my kyogre again
astral kelp
is showdown down
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
That thing is so bulky wtf
Ev’d to be bulky
244 SpA Life Orb Walking Wake Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 140 SpD Pelipper: 156-185 (93.4 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
left bobcat
True combo
molten oasis
Tera into supereffective hit into forfeit true combo
https://pokepast.es/45f31f391c0e5e9b wdyt of this?
shadow wind
That looks sick
I would go tera water on Zacian though
Chi yu burns it to a crisp
And maybe tera ghost Wake for Incin
solid frigate
5-2
left bobcat
0-2
molten oasis
And maybe tera ghost Wake for Incin
Mk
left bobcat
chrome swallow
https://pokepast.es/45f31f391c0e5e9b wdyt of this?
looks great, do u think it is underdeveloped on speacil attack tho?
special*
or do u think tornadus and wake can handle it by themselves?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
molten oasis
Wales a strong special attacker
But I could see another special attacker working if I knew which one to place
solid frigate
British Wake
astral kelp
I'm calling him Wales from now on
astral kelp
But I could see another special attacker working if I knew which one to place
My first rection would be fluttermane
astral kelp
What's your csr answer?
molten oasis
What's your csr answer?
Groudon to some extent
astral kelp
Groudon to some extent
Really??
molten oasis
Zac eats a couple astral barrages
astral kelp
Ohhhh
molten oasis
I could run crunch lmao
astral kelp
Idk it's in order of first move I thought of
shadow wind
😔
astral kelp
https://pokepast.es/45f31f391c0e5e9b wdyt of this?
Wait is that thunder punch
astral kelp
75 non stab thoo
astral kelp
Lol that's true kg
shadow wind
Kilogram
solid frigate
Zac eats a couple astral barrages
le kek
molten oasis
Wait is that thunder punch
Yep
https://pokepast.es/5433a91ef575976d I mean tbh
This is the core, flutter fish could round the team out pretty well
shadow wind
Epic Walking Wake evs
astral kelp
252+ Atk Groudon Thunder Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 106-126 (60.2 - 71.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
ehhh
shadow wind
😔
solid frigate
thats honestly not bad
astral kelp
might as well use high horsepower against urshifyu lol
252+ Atk Groudon High Horsepower vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 100-118 (56.8 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
shadow wind
foggy lodge
The opponent would need to have a very justified thing to pick water ursh against groudon lol
Unless they want to win the weather war
shadow wind
I need to test this
astral kelp
Dude urshifu still shits doesn't even need it
foggy lodge
Thunder punch is just for Pelipper/Kyogre
astral kelp
252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 204 HP / 0 Def Groudon in Sun on a critical hit: 90-108 (44.7 - 53.7%) -- 0.24% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Groudon Thunder Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 114-136 (65.1 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Groudon High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 108-127 (61.7 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
same thing tbh
shadow wind
75 x 2 = 150
95 x 1.5 = 142.5
astral kelp
i got leavanny
shadow wind
💀
foggy lodge
how do you hit Pelipper
shadow wind
Gravity 🤑
astral kelp
i mean liligant
foggy lodge
How do you hit Pelipper
astral kelp
actually nvm ion the past liligant has just kinda one shot peliper but apparantly everyone was running no bulk peliper lmao
shadow wind
I wish they ran no bulk
Cause what the frick is this
I'm still pressed about it actually
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/48e3e60ae67252e8 this seems fine maybe?
astral kelp
Honestly just for pelliler maybe thunder punch is worth it lmao
molten oasis
Need to do sets but flutterfishs we a good here
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/48e3e60ae67252e8 this seems fine maybe?
Are you sure about AV Groudon for this team?
Because I think that with Zacian your Miraidon MU is okay
astral kelp
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 124 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 124 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Icy Wind
- Protect
``` heres my set if you want
foggy lodge
Ditto
shadow wind
I don't respect ditto
foggy lodge
I do
astral kelp
It's such a funny guy tho
foggy lodge
Ditto is so good
astral kelp
My favorite of all time
foggy lodge
I've been testing JoeUx9's team
molten oasis
Are you sure about AV Groudon for this team?
AV is for CSR
astral kelp
AV is for CSR
If you go terá normal fluttermane that just kinda deals with it too
astral kelp
That's fair
molten oasis
Ceruledge just isn’t very good
astral kelp
Cereludge is a cool pokemon
shadow wind
Yeah that's what I'm thinking
astral kelp
Not good but definitevly cool
shadow wind
I just need a way to kill Pao without losing 3 mons
astral kelp
Oh wait yea nvm
shadow wind
Maybe I just slap Flutter mane on and call it a day
Or Volc
Replace Firepon for Volc maybe
Chien pao hates rocky helmets
astral kelp
Maybe I just slap Flutter mane on and call it a day
Lol that's what I did
It's like the perfect koraidon counter too
molten oasis
Maybe I just slap Flutter mane on and call it a day
Is flutterfish good with groudon?
Or would bolt be better
astral kelp
I really want something that can kill fairy teras
molten oasis
In the context of having wake and Zac
shadow wind
Is flutterfish good with groudon?
Flutterfish?
astral kelp
Is flutterfish good with groudon?
flutter fish LOOOL
shadow wind
They both provide a lot but I'd say bolt is better
astral kelp
Man idk the speed control mane offers is fucking disgusting
But also bolt is like a whole restricted by himself
Also bolt is good in tr
shadow wind
Urshifu can threaten both Groudon and Zac
astral kelp
Does thunderclap one tap urshifu?
shadow wind
Some of em
astral kelp
Urshifu can threaten both Groudon and Zac
Yea it does like 60%
shadow wind
Tera water in the rain does heaps
molten oasis
Flutterfish?
Flutter chi Yu
shadow wind
Mmm
astral kelp
In rain it just kills lol
molten oasis
Ig flutter yu makes more sense as a duo
molten oasis
Wake hearth gdon Zac
molten oasis
Mk
shadow wind
And lack of prio is worrisome
astral kelp
I like being able to hit Torn for supereffective
True that's kinda huge
Also peliper
molten oasis
I got, oh shit the items on bolt are used up
shadow wind
Goggles
astral kelp
Do you have proto?
molten oasis
…
astral kelp
I mean booster
shadow wind
Why would they need booster on a sun team
molten oasis
I get it for flutter
molten oasis
But for bolt no
astral kelp
Why would they need booster on a sun team
That's what I was thinking I got told to go booster anyways
shadow wind
By who?
astral kelp
But for bolt no
Oh is it because spa is less important than speed
shadow wind
Yes
astral kelp
That makes sense nvm
shadow wind
Groudon teams suck to team build
molten oasis
I’m seeing that
shadow wind
The last mon never sticks
molten oasis
Tbf kyogre Zac has been kinda hard to build as well
shadow wind
Probably yeah
molten oasis
Kyogre wants a lot of things
shadow wind
Urshifu dark maybe?
shadow wind
Yeah they do help with speed
shadow wind
Uh go tera water on bolt
molten oasis
Water?
shadow wind
Yuh
molten oasis
Is it for CIR?
shadow wind
CIR hates to see this guy comin
molten oasis
Yea, and I’d prefer torn personally
shadow wind
Yeah and just run sash
astral kelp
hmm whats a pokemon that can work well in trick room while having supportive stuff that i can run over oger
molten oasis
Why is there a wellspring on that team
shadow wind
Water absorb 🤪
astral kelp
long story lmao
shadow wind
hmm whats a pokemon that can work well in trick room while having supportive stu...
Volcarona maybe?
astral kelp
ehhhhh
molten oasis
https://pokepast.es/f333aaeff7ba0639 what evs for flutter?
shadow wind
Probably just max max
astral kelp
i want something bulky \
molten oasis
Right it’s sash
shadow wind
That 307 speed is EPIC
astral kelp
```Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Ty...
this outspeeds like 99% of things and lets you have some more bulk
oh yea sash
astral kelp
maybe iron hands?
shadow wind
https://pokepast.es/1937bcacb7f22b11
Looks good to me
astral kelp
over ogre for me
molten oasis
Might go av bolt and clam don but looks good to me
shadow wind
I thought about running taunt Bolt
astral kelp
since im running him in trick room anyways
it would be great to stop amoongus for shitting on my entire team
what do you think is better?
iron hands gives me goat out
iron hands wont have an ability is kinda the only problem
lofty tartan
Not really a problem though. Hands often operates as if he has no ability. Just severe bulk and a solid move pool
molten oasis
156 hp 100 att max spD adamant/brave
astral kelp
ty
i have to do some calcs for iron hands
oooh
100+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyogre: 174-206 (99.4 - 117.7%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO
thats pretty huge
bold geode
10-5
I'm doing better than I thought I would so far
2 losses due to misplay
1 loss to bad MU
1 loss to RNG
And 1 loss just cuz opponent made a really good play cuz they had more awareness than me, which is fine
Don't feel bad about my results so far at all
bleak plaza
Global challenges suck :p more cheese than a quesadilla
bold geode
Sounds like skill issue to me /j
astral kelp
Yea its weird right I wonder why so many peolle are running blood moon ursa
bleak plaza
This is the first time I’m competing in these. I was aware of the cheese but dang. It’s making me lactose intolerant.. I’m seeing alot of that Zacian team that James Baek uploaded on YouTube, CSR with Galarian Wheezing and eruption all around.
astral kelp
Hear me out
Throat spray
foggy lodge
Yea its weird right I wonder why so many peolle are running blood moon ursa
Cuz anti muk smeargle
solid frigate
7-2 rn
foggy lodge
Hear me out
Throat spray
Nah just go life orb lmao
craggy dagger
Hear me out
Throat spray
on blursa?
that’s not a hear me out thing tho
bold geode
CSR with Galarian Weezing is common LMAO
solid frigate
that team does so much better than i thought rn
craggy dagger
hear me out silk scarf blursa
bleak plaza
I have BMU but it’s with life orb 😅
bold geode
Hear me out
Peli Lando fucks over Muk Smeargle
bleak plaza
I’m used to running into CSR with Clefairy more lol
bold geode
CSR Weezing been common since Worlds
astral kelp
hear me out
why play muk smeargle when you can play this
It's basically the same thing
foggy lodge
Now its more common because everyone is playing animus's team from EUIC because he dropped the paste
astral kelp
But with less gambling
bold geode
Now its more common because everyone is playing animus's team from EUIC because ...
Which guy was that
foggy lodge
Kyle Livinghouse
astral kelp
Now its more common because everyone is playing animus's team from EUIC because ...
link?
bold geode
Oh nice
foggy lodge
I'm so done with the format istg I wish I could cover match ups lmao
bold geode
Three points
Land genie
A pelican
And prayers
random sphinx
failed protect to negate thunderclap is so big brain and such a piss off
and tornadus is banded that's so great
craggy dagger
wait is that a thing
always has been
random sphinx
Ice shard having priority is a shame
foggy lodge
FISSURE DONDOZO?
Solo Dozo has always run it
Dozo Ting-Lu last so long in the field you probably end up hitting atleast one fissure
astral kelp
its so weird its like dozo tinglu > dozugiri
astral kelp
chat can we delete this guyu
molten oasis
i like amoonguss
mighty stump
why play muk smeargle when you can play this
What is that disgusting Snorlax set
I am so insulted
mighty stump
I'm so done with the format istg I wish I could cover match ups lmao
Play CSR
hit +6
Matchups covered
astral kelp
Man idk if liligant torkoal team is it it's not really consistent enough
astral kelp
Are you talking about liligant after you?
astral kelp
FO, follow me
Oh counters Ic yeahh
charred saddle
plus after you is still based on speed and not prio
so prio tailwind + somethine like miraidon/CSR can still outspeed
astral kelp
Yeah
It's inconsistent
It feels really fucking busted when it works tho
But say op leads like incinerar it just gets extremely akward
real prairie
you are in BO1, you could account for the fake outs and go cloak Lilli instead of sash
in BO1 you will surprise enough people to win the game early
real prairie
yeah, not much i can do about that haha
astral kelp
Yeah hahahah
Team is definitevly fun
I also feel like groundon kinda sucks lowkey lmao I'm sorry connor
He's Mr akward speed tier
Also torkoal it's kinda shit by itself or out of trick room
arubega matchup actually not bad
real prairie
He's Mr akward speed tier
Some people have had a bit of fun with scarf tera fire SpAtk Eruption Groudon
Usually partnered with Whims for TW, Sunny day and Fake Tears
astral kelp
Could be good
astral kelp
25 ultraballs let's go gambling
molten oasis
Mega Ray a9 and max revive
Wait
Mega Ray amoonguss pawmot 1 ultra ball and a max revive
atomic osprey
Mewtwo and garchomp, garchomp was a beast when I used him, and mewtwo is obvious
chrome knot
Ditto Gengar Alolan Ninetales
real prairie
i keep looking at it and keep thinking, you are pretty cooked either way lol
wondering if there is a strat to catch the hard ones, kill the little ones.
molten oasis
The ditto is probably one of the best options
You get the best guy from whatever someone else takes which is nice
chrome knot
i think my 3 is winnable?
real prairie
Im thinking Amoongus, Wo-Chien, max revive and toxic + Seed stall
astral kelp
max revive is buuuusted here
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
real prairie
whats ur plan….
yeah, hadn't got that far lol
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
you could prolly do sopme rayquaqua decorate extreme speed stuff
chrome knot
ditto copy rayquaza, gengar 1v1s mewtwo & unironically alolan ninetales checks everything above $10 LOL
molten oasis
Dragon ascent, extreme speed, iron head ig, protect then standard amoonguss+pawmot for me
And then try my luck with the ultra ball
Damn a9’s cracked for this lol
astral kelp
decorate rayquaza 5 ultra balls seems like a strat
molten oasis
Anyway back to Frieren
real prairie
if we are allowed tera, ill take tera electric air balloon shedinja 
chrome knot
Anyway back to Frieren
DUBS
astral kelp
banger show i just binged it like 2 days ago
chrome knot
DUDE
real prairie
i need to start it
chrome knot
i am watching rn
molten oasis
I’m just starting it
molten oasis
I wanna get back into anime I figured this would be a good start
It’s interesting so far
astral kelp
if we are allowed tera, ill take tera electric air balloon shedinja <:PikaLmao:6...
LOL WAIT SO RIGHT
you gonna run out of pp tho
molten oasis
if we are allowed tera, ill take tera electric air balloon shedinja <:PikaLmao:6...
Man cmon then ttar would be required
astral kelp
but then you can accidentally switch into your own tyr if its doubles lol
do you get to chose to not bring it
wait what are the rules even
chrome knot
if we are allowed tera, ill take tera electric air balloon shedinja <:PikaLmao:6...
ditto go copy ttar for a sec i wanna see something beautiful
real prairie
ditto go copy ttar for a sec i wanna see something beautiful
sandstorm go bbrr
astral kelp
so youd get a9 and maybe ditto?
molten oasis
Assuming you fight a normal ttar they get sand and av and then they get you with rock slide
But ig it could miss
astral kelp
252+ SpA Choice Specs Ninetales-Alola Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar: 198-234 (112.5 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
real prairie
considering its you vs the rest, id say its safe to assume they are wild mons
molten oasis
252+ SpA Choice Specs Ninetales-Alola Moonblast vs. 196 HP / 28 SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar in Sand: 84-102 (42 - 51%) -- 1.95% chance to 2HKO
Nope
If it is wilds mons doesn’t like
Mega Ray sweep everything but the ninetales
astral kelp
ig lol
real prairie
Mega Ray sweep everything but the ninetales
and the ditto lol
feel you have to take the ditto off the board
real prairie
even outrage hits it pretty hard no?
astral kelp
we love being confused
chrome knot
252+ SpA Choice Specs Ninetales-Alola Moonblast vs. 196 HP / 28 SpD Assault Vest...
i think this is getting too nerdy
molten oasis
I like winning
chrome knot
neek
astral kelp
whats the point of a discussion if were not being nerdy am i right
real prairie
i think this is getting too nerdy
i expected this when i posted it, a competitive look at it not a casuals haha
chrome knot
LMFAO
molten oasis
I had to look up what that means, ouch
real prairie
Some top grade British slang there
chrome knot
this what i get for having british mkwii friends in my closest circle lmfao
real prairie
this what i get for having british mkwii friends in my closest circle lmfao
being called a Neek?
molten oasis
lol
real prairie
haha are they in their 30s like me? no one here has said that for 15 years LOL
plain drum
LMAO
chrome knot
early-mid 20s
molten oasis
I’ve never heard that term used
real prairie
early-mid 20s<a:FukingDies:694380769615020132>
Neeks for using Neek in big Twenty Twenty Five
plain drum
Gonna have to ask my own British friends about that one
molten oasis
I did kinda go too deep into that, I missed some details on the episode I’m on and now I’m lost lol
astral kelp
fucking love that guy
plain drum
Perhaps the belief in the small birb will carry
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
plain drum
Based if true
molten oasis
WTAF is this nutter cooking now...
This caught me so off guard
astral kelp
the clickbait
plain drum
Fucking love LC
molten oasis
The content drought of this format is fucking real
chrome knot
Fucking love LC
Luigi Circuit
molten oasis
Where new format at
chrome knot
i mean im personally not a fan but i understand
real prairie
well its not endevour strats
molten oasis
I might skim through it to see what it is
real prairie
not out til 8pm GMT
astral kelp
its prolly some dumb tournament type
molten oasis
Nah it’s reg g
real prairie
this weird 3 weeks of gmt being est+4 lmao
we move to BST soon dw
astral kelp
ig its a tailwind setter but why
real prairie
well we know it wasn't the last GC, because he won that.
chrome knot
shoutouts to british summer time
molten oasis
I do wonder if it’s little cup or if it’s reg g
real prairie
maybe a local
molten oasis
Maybe
https://x.com/andybakesyt/status/1902517891510997153?s=46 anyway neat thread, and I need to go to bed
real prairie
im struggling to think what the bird gonna do
molten oasis
its 4:30 am
astral kelp
WTAF is this nutter cooking now...
how long from now is this for youi
real prairie
*its 4:30 am*
sleep man, sleep!
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
next stump
good morning
chrome knot
gale wings
plain drum
Morning Dillon
chrome knot
itll be talonflame junior
real prairie
how long from now is this for youi
10 hours 😭
astral kelp
99% gale winds
next stump
opposite ends for us
astral kelp
but idk why youd every run that over talonflame
chrome knot
content
astral kelp
or the middle evolution even\
chrome knot
content
astral kelp
10 hours 😭
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
NOOOO MY DEFENSE STAT
real prairie
good morning
Yello
astral kelp
unless its some convoluted skill swap body press strat
wtf even reduces defense other than like close combat
wait big pecks plus
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
boom
astral kelp
close combat fletchling 
astral kelp
damn im surprised helping handwild charge didnt kill ogre
fucking missipice blades
left bobcat
Refreshing 🍹
real prairie
game 1 - looking like an L to a cloak para charge Miraidon lol
astral kelp
game 1 - looking like an L to a cloak para charge Miraidon lol
oh yeah i majorly misplayed quite a few times actually lmao
like turn 1 as a mess,
solid frigate
tbf
Mustard has a Urshifu
astral kelp
i think i lost mainly to ursaluna bm outspeeding groudon
but tbf who the FUCK runs max speed blursaluna
solid frigate
but tbf who the FUCK runs max speed blursaluna
actually a lot of people under Tailroom Team
astral kelp
first time ivee seen it lol
real prairie
game 1 - looking like an L to a cloak para charge Miraidon lol
i won, they didn't tera infront on Chien Pao and i got a clean OHKO on Miraidon w/ Helping hands Ice Spinner
astral kelp
i won, they didn't tera infront on Chien Pao and i got a clean OHKO on Miraidon ...
wait cloak paa charge miraidon thats so based
solid frigate
i won, they didn't tera infront on Chien Pao and i got a clean OHKO on Miraidon ...
they probably thought they can win the speed tie
real prairie
they probably thought they can win the speed tie
doubt they were speed tie, Para charge usually bulky
solid frigate
idk
real prairie
they intimidated me and probs thought they would survive a -1 Ice Spinner
but helping hands coming clutch
solid frigate
at least Greninja killed a kyogre during my first match
astral kelp
torrent could i see your ninja team it sounds awesome
chrome knot
but tbf who the FUCK runs max speed blursaluna
me in reg h
real prairie
at least Greninja killed a kyogre during my first match
solid frigate
torrent could i see your ninja team it sounds awesome
rental team will be posted in #rental_teams and In twitter
solid frigate
also I use Greninja cuz paying Homage to XY with Legenda ZA coming out sooner
solid frigate
and a max speed timid kyogre :/
F
chrome knot
not rly was just weird to see
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
astral kelp
oh damn thats a lot of random ass support moves
150 atk in tailwinf LOOOL
fake out
icy wind for some reason like why lmao
taunt
this dudes movepool is actually kinda crazy
also chlorofill so it could be a crazy sun mon
kek
chrome knot
the great midoff
real prairie
time for a break, 5-1 atm 😄
the game i lost too was unfortunate, Zama team, missed out on killing Flutter with a low-roll and then misread their targetting and lost my Tsareena to a body press expecting them to target into Kyogre, leaving me 1v1 with a full HP Amoongus with 4pp of water spout
mint void
the game i lost too was unfortunate, Zama team, missed out on killing Flutter wi...
I somehow won a game where the moth (AGAIN) missed 2 Willowisp and I missclicked Aqua Jet instead of SS in Psychic Terrain :)
left bobcat
Lololol
lost sun
what's usually in a zamazenta team
left bobcat
left bobcat
what's usually in a zamazenta team
Chien pao
lost sun
ye that's the only other thing I've got in rn
left bobcat
Ursh
mint void
what's usually in a zamazenta team
Pao, Flutter is retty basic
lost sun
was thinking fluttermane for fighting coverage
real prairie
Pao, flutter, Amoongus, Zama, Incin, Rilla
left bobcat
Pao pao
real prairie
Pao, flutter, Amoongus, Zama, Incin, Rilla
Is a 6 I see a lot
lost sun
anyone got a flutter we could trade for
lost sun
Pao, flutter, Amoongus, Zama, Incin, Rilla
looks weak to anything fire tho
real prairie
looks weak to anything fire tho
Tera water Amoongus, Incin, tera dragon Zama
Some Zama players like to bring pelipper just Incase
foggy lodge
Hearthflame Ogerpon destroy this man's team
lost sun
Tera water Amoongus, Incin, tera dragon Zama
does amoonguss run rage powder spore pollen puff and protect
real prairie
Usually rage powder, spore, protect, sludge bomb on those teams
lost sun
Usually rage powder, spore, protect, sludge bomb on those teams
EVs 252 hp and split defences?
real prairie
252, 196, 60 relaxed
solid frigate
116+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 220 HP / 76+ Def Amoonguss: 204-240 (94 - 110.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
Ok no wonder why i lived in 1 HP
chrome knot
196+ my beloved
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
dense latch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2324667441-g29a156j6htxpg6rlrnbar1hk2ql12ypw such a nice feeling to nail these plays
real prairie
think i just played an iron ball Regidrago
gentle cragBOT
Result: 64.000000
real prairie
must have been
dense latch
i just played a scarf galarian weezing i think i've seen it all
left bobcat
i just played a scarf galarian weezing i think i've seen it all
I beg your pardon
Scarf galarian weezing?
foggy lodge
X
left bobcat
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2324671019-1412pl99cpubdqrd64...
Wow I can’t believe this
Specs weezing I understand
solid frigate
idk how it would outspeed my lando otherwise
moment
real prairie
6-3, all 3 of my Ls were winnable, wrong lead into game 3 cooked me, then i switched in a tornadus into an incoming surging strikes expecting a close combat
protect, light screen, tailwind, endevour Whimsicott is a new one for me though
solid frigate
6-3, all 3 of my Ls were winnable, wrong lead into game 3 cooked me, then i swit...
i still need to do 6 more games and hopefully at least i have good wins
real prairie
what are you at atm?
left bobcat
I’m at my house laying flat in my bed
solid frigate
what are you at atm?
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2324684169
In school but i did won against a Zama for testing
bold geode
196+ my beloved
chrome knot
ow wtf
bold geode
Nom
solid frigate
lol
bold geode
Oh
@chrome knot I'm 10-5
My run isn't completely as washed as I thought it'd be
chrome knot
yay
solid frigate
I'm just gonna belive froggy
bold geode
Only one of my losses was bad to add on so good shit
real prairie
6-4, lost the last game to a powerwhip miss that would have put me 3v1
foggy lodge
solid frigate
there is no concivable way that Tinkaton can't OHKO it
unless that Koraidon has Mega Bulk
foggy lodge
there is no concivable way that Tinkaton can't OHKO it
There is
And its that Tinkaton is ass
252 Atk Tinkaton Play Rough vs. 236 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 192-228 (93.6 - 111.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 Atk😭
dense latch
petty ass showdown
lost sun
252 Atk Tinkaton Play Rough vs. 236 HP / 4 Def Koraidon: 192-228 (93.6 - 111.2%)...
that can't be right cus my whimsicot 1 shots koraidon with moon blast and no spa evs
lost sun
does rilla boom usually run hp and attack EVs
and move set wood hammer grassy glide fake out and smth else
mint void
petty ass showdown
Gg goated
mint void
does rilla boom usually run hp and attack EVs
and move set wood hammer grassy g...
SpD, HP, Atk
Most also run a few Speed and a teeny bit defense
lost sun
Most also run a few Speed and a teeny bit defense
enough speed for an evless kyogre I'm guessing
mint void
or enough for max speed
depends what u need man
there isnt really a set in stone set
Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def/ 124 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Grassy Glide
- U-turn
- Fake Out
solid frigate
Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire ...
4 SPA LMAO
bro is gonna hit big special attack damage lmao
mint void
@lost sunRillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire/Ghost
EVs: 140 HP / 84 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Drum Beating
- Grassy Glide
- Fake Out
- U-turn
mint void
4 SPA LMAO
I hit the wrong slider my bad
craggy dagger
drum beating?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
real prairie
Bottled early this weekend, think i finished 8-7
spiral ridge
What happened to hungover Sunday
charred saddle
viet has fallen asleep
spiral ridge
I’ll be awake for 12 hours
charred saddle
we'll see later
thorny beacon
Oh yeah <@482893290266427422> <@1060975738678947880> plan today?
Yeah sounds good 
👍
rustic mountain
https://fixupx.com/unironicpanda/status/1902909922716663999
lmfao
spiral ridge
lol
rustic mountain
prolly
timber falcon
had this idea for a team, any thoughts on it?
rustic mountain
sand is kinda ass rn
real prairie
i got to use my girl today!
rustic mountain
excas cool into like mirai ig tho
lost sun
does a ring target let u prankster status moves on dark types
spiral ridge
i got to use my girl today!
I’ll do it too when I get to it
timber falcon
sand is kinda ass rn
in what way?
rustic mountain
just outclassed as a weather
same way snow isnt good atm they dont have the mons to keep up
timber falcon
oh true
rustic mountain
does a ring target let u prankster status moves on dark types
im not sure tbh idts
timber falcon
i think ill give it a tiny go though, as the team isnt generally sand reliant
spiral ridge
Plus uh
The sun setter mon is fighting and tyra well
foggy lodge
Imagine your weather core being weak to all the restricted that set weather
timber falcon
Plus uh
The sun setter mon is fighting and tyra well
oh yeah....
spiral ridge
Korai kinda fucks you up cus fire Tera korai would put lot of pressure on tyra and zacian
rustic mountain
Imagine your weather core being weak to all the restricted that set weather
yea its just tough
foggy lodge
That's why the Zama comps that use Tyranitar use sash
spiral ridge
But sunny day users
rustic mountain
That's why the Zama comps that use Tyranitar use sash
even then ur just using ttar u dont have a sand centric team
foggy lodge
^
rustic mountain
u have a sand duo tho, like ur workaround is to either not use it or figure out someway to optimize it as best u can so its not completely underwhelming
lost sun
is mental herb the item that removes the effect of taunt
timber falcon
yeah
lost sun
I should give that to amoonguss right
rustic mountain
it just goes back to what ive said before, why r u choosing these mons ? if they dont fulfill some sort of purpose/niche in how they are functioning on your team ur just anchoring urself down
timber falcon
u have a sand duo tho, like ur workaround is to either not use it or figure out ...
might dump the sand duo considering kyogre is common too
spiral ridge
Even H sand struggled
mint void
I should give that to amoonguss right
Rocky helmet is probably better
but if u fear taunt then u could
timber falcon
it just goes back to what ive said before, why r u choosing these mons ? if they...
the idea was do run howl zacian, because zacs typing doesnt let it hit ground and steel hard and fire, i figured excadrill duo could work, as zacian also wasnt hurt by sandstorm
rustic mountain
mental herb is fine for shroom but yea gta actually decide if u think that items value is more consistent or beneficial to u then something like helmet
mint void
mental herb is fine for shroom but yea gta actually decide if u think that items...
GTA 6?
rustic mountain
🤨
rustic mountain
the idea was do run howl zacian, because zacs typing doesnt let it hit ground an...
howl zacian seems bad
lost sun
what item for incin
rustic mountain
theres other ways to run zacian, use something good like lando i
lost sun
smth to stop fake out
timber falcon
covert cloak
rustic mountain
do not run cloak incin
timber falcon
theres other ways to run zacian, use something good like lando i
initially i had done this, but then i realised i made the team without an actual plan. And thats how i ended up with sand
spiral ridge
Tera ghost incin
rustic mountain
depends on team comp, incin is usually goggles, sitrus, some are running rocky helmet
av is less common but still solid
timber falcon
do not run cloak incin
oh true i thought he meant what item stops FO
you can also raise speed evs if its against mirror
lost sun
I forgot the name of it
just realised it doesn't have a nature that buffs stats what nature does incin have
adamant?
rustic mountain
initially i had done this, but then i realised i made the team without an actual...
yea but sand isnt it. basically just surround zacian w/ good mons that help into wat it usually struggles w/. nd give it speed control. w/ restricteds ur building how to best maximize its strengths while patching holes into common meta threats and team comps
bold geode
Mr Tree 
rustic mountain
monke 
bold geode
How's it goin
rustic mountain
its ight hbu
bold geode
We aight
lost sun
just realised it doesn't have a nature that buffs stats what nature does incin h...
my amoonguss ain't got one either
rustic mountain
incin is usually careful or impish
some ppl get a little crazy sometimes and go like jolly or adamant depending on the set and team
lost sun
I got parting shot fake out flareblitz knock off
dense latch
i can finally move on to doing bo3s and having ots rather than getting cheesed out of wins 🙏
eleki my goat
rustic mountain
its not super helpful just asking us one offs on what is the best item for x or what is the best nature wen we dont know the full team and id suggest utilizing the vgc resources in this channel to better familiarize urself with why ur actually even making those choices and not necessarily just going off what we say
foggy lodge
do not run cloak incin
Its good
So you can forfeit the tera ghost and add something more
Its still a super niche item for Incin
real prairie
i can finally move on to doing bo3s and having ots rather than getting cheesed o...
GGs
whats the team?
foggy lodge
Not VGC but its funny https://x.com/MoggyOh/status/1902707153485373818?t=uKFrqOPzv98syHpb5JRF5Q&s=19
X
fluid fiber
Absolutely loving piloting this team now: https://pokepast.es/7e4a326c5a0a341e
foggy lodge
252 HP careful AV urshifu😭
solid frigate
252 HP careful AV urshifu😭
i can't with this build-
timber falcon
252 HP careful AV urshifu😭
No spatcker is one shotting my shifu 
yes i made the set in 1 second
solid frigate
No spatcker is one shotting my shifu <:GengarSad:669500451795763209>
Miraidon:
real prairie
Ooo fun https://www.dragonflycave.com/favorite.html
No surprises tbh
real prairie
My son is Gengar obsessed
always preferred Haunter
Iron Hands and Chien Pao absolutely skyrocketing up since i started playing competitive, both were Meh beforehand but the love has grown for them big time!
random sphinx
best stellar type for Iron hands?
real prairie
best stellar type for Iron hands?
Grass/Fairy/Fire
spiral ridge
My son is Gengar obsessed
Genuinely when I saw the photo of gengar politely sitting on the stairs I immediately like him 100X more
real prairie
I haven't run into anything yet that hits it hard
landorus is a issue, thus people picking grass
also gives it a immunity to spore in TR
some people pick water too, for the same landorus issues but also a resist to CIR
real prairie
Genuinely when I saw the photo of gengar politely sitting on the stairs I immedi...
Gengar eventually got in:
chrome knot
what site is this
spiral ridge
Hell yeah
chrome knot
HA UR AGE IS SHOWING
spiral ridge
I haven’t done this site in a while may need to redo
chrome knot
goddamn ur old ! !
real prairie
Ooo fun https://www.dragonflycave.com/favorite.html
@chrome knot
spiral ridge
HA UR AGE IS SHOWING
I thought same thing 😭
real prairie
goddamn ur old ! !
LOL Y?
random sphinx
landorus is a issue, thus people picking grass
CIR?
real prairie
Older mons
😭
spiral ridge
No surprises tbh
It’s like all old stuff or SV here lol
I think it’s all like gen 4 or under maybe 3 im kinda blanking
real prairie
middle generations of Pokemon districtly average haha
spiral ridge
Pft
real prairie
I'm looking forward to seeing yours younglings
spiral ridge
Gimme a bit
dense latch
this kinda needs a few other mons i like which may drop some others but this is kinda accurate
cyndaquil and gliscor are my top 2 for sure
real prairie
WAIT... WHERE THE F IS GALAR ZAPDOS!
think its an easy top 10 for me
maybe alt forms are turned off... whoops
dense latch
maybe alt forms are turned off... whoops
yea you have to manually turn that on i believe
real prairie
yep, restarting lol
spiral ridge
did every option but aesthetic and gender
craggy dagger
goddamn ur old ! !
so are you though
chrome knot
no i am nottt
spiral ridge
so are you though
craggy dagger
no i am nottt
p sure you are 
craggy dagger
arceus-??
spiral ridge
no that was psychic i think
yup
poison is also very pinkish so almost picked them but im just sticking to the one
molten oasis
I’d share mine but most of you know what my top favorites are and I don’t have permission to
spiral ridge
here fiary
is lighter and also really cute too damn
craggy dagger
oh that’s fairy
spiral ridge
mhmm
spiral ridge
oh dear god
850 left after 15 minutes
oh boy
abom and ursa give vibes of "you can copy my hw just dont make it obvious" lmfao
molten oasis
You’re ranking them all,
spiral ridge
no sun setter you almost always wann go booster yes
chrome knot
i got bored of doing the other one but here
lost sun
no sun setter you almost always wann go booster yes
guessing max speed and spa evs then
shadow wind
i got bored of doing the other one but here
Based favourite paradox
spiral ridge
guessing max speed and spa evs then
can do 252 252 but theres also bulkier setss
lost sun
can do 252 252 but theres also bulkier setss
I've got a max speed chien pao should I go for the bulkier 1
spiral ridge
dunno
bulkier works with chien i just dont know if a 252 252 chien calls for bulk flutter
lost sun
rest of my team is quite bulky aswell
spiral ridge
do you wanna run icy wind or thunder wave on the flutter?
spiral ridge
if youre doing speed control it being bulky could be better
random sphinx
mirror herb doesnt work for draco meteor?
tiny karmaBOT
Sableye version 4.28.1
spiral ridge
raises, not drops
foggy lodge
Imagine if it was literal
lost sun
imagine how op mirror herb would be if it works with Ur own teams buffs aswell
spiral ridge
lol
basically just that vs defiant
did incins ever run mirror herb to deal with defiant like gambit or something
foggy lodge
Yes
molten oasis
Reg h it did
foggy lodge
So you had +2 atk flare blitz
spiral ridge
thought so but didnt know if making it up in head
foggy lodge
Nuking kingambits with that
spiral ridge
mhm i was thinking that
lost sun
do you wanna run icy wind or thunder wave on the flutter?
think I'm gonna go with icy wind instead as it's more consistent
foggy lodge
Reg H had fun cores
spiral ridge
i do icy yeah
my flutter is bulkier
chrome knot
tera fighting p2
foggy lodge
I was always a fan of Electabuzz Dragonite Rillaboom
spiral ridge
tera flying p2 :3
foggy lodge
Tera fairy P2,,,
lost sun
i do icy yeah
my flutter is bulkier
other moves being protect moon ball and shadow ball?
spiral ridge
moonblast shadow icy protect yes
real prairie
Gengar eventually got in:
erm....
real prairie
i got bored of doing the other one but here
link plz
lost sun
u got to be the only person with no starters in top 20
real prairie
trying to work out how munchlax got juiced haha
spiral ridge
i may like too many mons
just had a page where i cliked everything..
still this much left
spiral ridge
that one i wouldnt be able to
i am extremely fucking indecisive so just outright picking one would be fucking hell
thats why i got a fuckign wheel for what games i play
bold geode
Fuck, Scotty is back
spiral ridge
ive been here bitch you go
spiral ridge
dude
lost sun
does surging strikes get buffed by metronome each hit it lands or is it just each time u use the move
spiral ridge
@chrome knot can tell you how much i was screaming about wolverine yesterday cus rivals
bold geode
Me looking at the enemy tanks like
spiral ridge
i fucking hate wolverine players youre cringe
bold geode
I've never touched that man in my life
spiral ridge
good
spiral ridge
mega audino is gonna be a high fave and i had no idea how much i liked them til now
didnt realize how much i loved this cute fucker
same with frosmoth
chrome knot
gay......
spiral ridge
doesnt respond about wolverine at all just to call me gay
bully
solid frigate
i thinhk Chi Yu just hate me now
spiral ridge
im fuckign struggling to pick the last 300 or so
so ig that means i have 300 favorites 
its getting HARD
each time im just taking 3 off with a sad face
chrome knot
doesnt respond about wolverine at all just to call me gay
bully
i playhingh mario kart missed that
but i think stella was having intercourse with wolverine
spiral ridge
one sided
solid frigate
8-3 rn
next stump
spiral ridge
oh fuck theres regional thats right
spiral ridge
gl
spiral ridge
yeah i meat gl on 12th lol
good score so far
lost sun
liking surskit is rough
lost sun
i love surskit its so silly
for that bulky flutter would it have modest or smth to make it bulkier
spiral ridge
this last 50 is absolutely fucking killing me
left bobcat
Stop getting killed
spiral ridge
its all so close that if i did the last 300 again id prob get very diff results