competitive_discussion

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Pokémon No. 784: Kommo-o

Types

Dragon/Fighting

Abilities

Bulletproof, Soundproof, Overcoat (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

75/110/125/100/105/85

Total

600

Other Formes

Kommo-o-Totem

Sableye version 4.28.1

[craggy dagger]

Awwwweee

[real prairie]

Imagine the cuteness wrecking your team with tiny astral barrage or glacial lance

[pallid hare]

actually, Urshifu is from the Isle of Mann

so its still British

[real prairie]

Good spot, I was looking at a zoomed map which made me think it was Ireland

Poor Ireland just ignored

[solid frigate]

we joined a server for Reg I

[craggy dagger]

wait really-??
the only water types that gets foul play are wash rotom the slowpoke line(s) and wiglett/wugtrio

[solid frigate]

and none of them are dark types lmao

also yes

[craggy dagger]

that’s kinda cool though

but also forces people to lock in wash rotom 😭

[spiral ridge]

lol

Does it just get it from base rotom?

[craggy dagger]

p sure yeah

[spiral ridge]

Makes sense

[spiral ridge]

Oo nice hf

[solid frigate]

was gonna send you two a tweet to message the owner to let them join you

[spiral ridge]

[solid frigate]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2316661793

This was too close

[fallow palm]

can somone make me a team with zamazenta incinearoar rillabbom and raging bolt what last two mons should i add?

[solid frigate]

Urshifu and AMogus

or Urshifu and Flutter Mane.

[real prairie]

There was a triple restricted format in 2010?

[solid frigate]

yeah

its literally just Weather Duo+Dialga

[real prairie]

Yeah just saw that's when Ludicolo won

[fallow palm]

if you dont mind can you tell me the tera types

[solid frigate]

Zama:Dragon
Urshifu:Water
Incin:Water/Grass/Ghost
Rilla:Fire
Raging Bolt:Electric/Fairy
Amogus:Water/Fairy

[spiral ridge]

That sounds interesting

[fallow palm]

ty

[gentle crag]

trebel0029 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[solid frigate]

its more like Weather Duo+Dialga or Palkia

Hell Giratina has Usage there lmao

[spiral ridge]

Would be deplorable if today

Horse dog lizard

[mint shuttle]

is there an easier way 2 get a perfect iv ditto besides js catching hella wild ones and hoping 4 the best?

[spiral ridge]

Ditto raid

High star ones guaranteed 5 IV and high chance 6(?)

[mint shuttle]

so a 5 star or smt?

[spiral ridge]

Yeh
I think they can be 6 too

[mint shuttle]

ohhh alr appreciate u

[next stump]

you could trade as well

[mint shuttle]

yea i went and put one 4 a masuda method one but ima have 2 wait a minute 4 that

[spiral ridge]

Masuda is shiny

[solid frigate]

DIllon

pls don't encourage people trade here lmao

[spiral ridge]

Oh you mean one for masuda oops 😭

[mint shuttle]

yea i like making my teams shiny lol

[next stump]

IMO catching wild shinies is the move in SV

[mint shuttle]

i js do eggs cause i often dont have an oppurtunity 2 get the 30 minutes out of the sandwhich and only have one switch so i cant do the infinite herba mystica thing

[next stump]

try wonder trading through pokemon home

[mint shuttle]

till i get a ditto?

[next stump]

yeah or see who is offering one on the forum thing

[mint shuttle]

yea everyone has an english one 😦

[craggy dagger]

ghost

[craggy dagger]

yup

[atomic mural]

whats the idea behind koraidon paired with galarian weezing

my brain cant figure it out

[chrome knot]

flight done, now for a 4 hour drive home

[craggy dagger]

oof.
glad your flight went safe

[left bobcat]

Herro

[chrome knot]

[astral kelp]

oh ic thats pretty big

lmao dondozo

[atomic mural]

thats not dondozo thats donbozo

[astral kelp]

this guy is USELESS lmao

[mint void]

who is that?

I guess cant be taunted?

[astral kelp]

donbozo

[left bobcat]

Woah

[astral kelp]

why does regirock see no play

[atomic mural]

zamazenta better

[left bobcat]

Cuz that typing is ahhh

[astral kelp]

jesus christ

rock has 5 weaknesses what the fuck

[craggy dagger]

yup

[left bobcat]

It hits fire, ice, bug, and flying for super effective

But ice and bug types are dookie

And water types are more common

So rock types are just eh

[astral kelp]

so thats why regis suck

typing

[left bobcat]

Yeah

And ursh exists sooooooo

[astral kelp]

tera grass

also i think even ursh doesnt do enough to ohko

300 defense is a LOT

im more worried about like hydropump

the ogre

[left bobcat]

Then a fire type or a flying type just shits on it

Especially against something like chi yu

You’re better off using something like zama if that’s the case

It’s got good bulk decent speed

[foggy lodge]

Urshifu

[astral kelp]

252+ Atk Urshifu Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Regirock on a critical hit: 96-114 (51.3 - 60.9%) -- approx. 2HKO

yea that definitevly kills lol

[craggy dagger]

tera waber

[astral kelp]

no like

2 surging strike hits he doesnt even need to tera

like what a ridiculous mon

can someone explain why rock is weak to ground

[craggy dagger]

cuz earthquakes cause rock slides

[astral kelp]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2316741134
man showdown is interesting

[chrome knot]

i love tera waber

[astral kelp]

why would you tera normal like wtf

[cyan smelt]

<@&727593710816067594> someone posted something that's not a rental in #rental_teams again

[raven sun]

Taken care of, have a good one!

[atomic mural]

I think he didn’t want to get foul played

[bold geode]

I prefer tera grbss myself

Block Spurs from the Among Us

[chrome knot]

nah i had 4 tera waters on my team :3

was goated for the mirror

[astral kelp]

Oh I see
Does that even kill dengo

[atomic mural]

if its 0 iv and - attack nature probably not

[solid frigate]

wtf is that-

[real prairie]

please play it, Kyogre wants words

[bold geode]

Lol

[astral kelp]

Imma just terá grass B)

[foggy lodge]

Earthquakes destroy mountains and things

Water being super effective against rock doesn't make sense like yeah it eroses rocks

But it takes hundreds of years for that lmao

[craggy dagger]

well

have you ever seen a dam break?

[pallid hare]

fast acting erosion

[craggy dagger]

enough pressure and water can basically cut through anything

[real prairie]

252 SpA Tera Water Kyogre Helping Hand Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tera Grass Regirock in Rain: 160-189 (85.5 - 101%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

[astral kelp]

Nah water makes sense

[astral kelp]

Lmfaoooo

[real prairie]

yeah, shit mon basically

[astral kelp]

Honestly tho

I think regirock is underrated

Every pokemon has its counters

[real prairie]

Regirock is okay in singles

[slim turret]

Eh

Its mid ngl

[craggy dagger]

it’s
not that good in singles iirc.
it’s okay as a stall mon but rock type isn’t the best defensive type

[chrome knot]

honkhonk

[slim turret]

Its kinda bad

[craggy dagger]

haiiii

[chrome knot]

haaiaiiii

[craggy dagger]

got home safe?

[real prairie]

i was trying to be nice lol

[chrome knot]

noooo

home in 2:40

im so incredibly sleepy tho

[real prairie]

@torn parrot https://x.com/beccabaddest/status/1857186780690211206

Becca (@beccabaddest) on X

I didn’t know Draco Meteor could miss in the card game too……. #PokemonTCGPocket

X · Nov 14, 2024, 10:20 PM

[mint void]

What did she expect tho?

Like 4 hits in one slot is wild

Ngl but u need 3 into blastoise anyway

[torn parrot]

I actually didn’t know it could miss lol

I thought it could hit everybody for at least 50

[slim turret]

That’s fair

[next stump]

what’s the next regional?

is there an EU one soon

[real prairie]

Yeah, 2 weeks time

[craggy dagger]

make sure to rest up when you get home
or sleep on the way there

[real prairie]

Which I'm missing again because of the wedding this time

[craggy dagger]

-# unless you’re driving, in which case don’t

[real prairie]

Sweden

[next stump]

stockholm? or another city

[solid frigate]

i think its stockholm

[next stump]

https://x.com/yungelmersglue/status/1899242464214700379?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

chase ➡️ portland (@yungelmersglue) on X

Hopefully an inspirational post, but: This was me 7 months ago before Worlds, when Reg G was around the first time. Keep learning from your losses and you will improve, even if it takes time.

X · Mar 10, 2025, 11:34 PM

shoutout the improvement

[chrome knot]

yesss

especially bc i work tomorrow,,,,

[spiral ridge]

ope

[next stump]

first day back at work after a tournament weekend is always depressing AF

[chrome knot]

real

leaving gf into 11 hour travel into working next day like just kill meeee

[split cairn]

Does increasing Ditto’s transform move PP increases the copied moves PP from 5 to 8?

[dense latch]

no

[craggy dagger]

[mint void]

Concept art for emboar lol

[left bobcat]

Its a me

[mint void]

Bro is cooking

[left bobcat]

Yeah in my grill

[mint void]

Imo a horrible concept art for ZA sonce its way to similar to the old one

But as a design I fuck with it

[left bobcat]

With it

You ain’t with it

[real prairie]

By who? Gordon Ramsey?

[split cairn]

Give him 1 wooden leg and he looks like one piece chef

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-zeff-zeff-one-piece-cook-chef-gif-10986222164918040712

[real prairie]

Did we just post the same thing 🤣

[split cairn]

How do we send gifs again? My just go as a link

[split cairn]

That’s how i sent it but still came as a link 😅

[next stump]

i think you need a certain server level

[split cairn]

With the help of Garganacl, i finally defeated CSR, tornadus team

[next stump]

😄 nice

[bold geode]

@next stump y'know what I want bro
I want them to like
Keep single restricted or make it double either way idc right
But give us the Tapus bro

[next stump]

that would be hype

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Pokémon No. 787: Tapu Bulu

Types

Grass/Fairy

Abilities

Grassy Surge, Telepathy (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

70/130/115/85/95/75

Total

570

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

Nat dex reg I would be WILD

Although Xerneas back 🤮

[cyan smelt]

with champions we could potentially have xerneas with tera

[craggy dagger]

but zacian exists so

[real prairie]

We may still see that in Scarlet and Violet with another home update

[craggy dagger]

i highly doubt that xerneas would see much play

[real prairie]

Xerneas and booster flutter 😭

[craggy dagger]

ehhhh

steel poison and fire types can eat up flutter mane

especially cuz the respective types in the meta atm are kinda bulky 😭

[mighty stump]

Resists don’t matter jf ur gonna boost stats lol

[craggy dagger]

yeah but flutter isn’t boosting

[mighty stump]

Specs + BoR

Booster SpA

Tera Fairy

[craggy dagger]

then zac just ohko’s flutter. cuz it outspeeds?

[real prairie]

It gets a 33% boost from Xerneas

[craggy dagger]

and also
it boosts all fairy moves which means your opponents’ also get boosted

[mighty stump]

I’m just saying talking about how Xern won’t see much play cuz resists exist isn’t going to be an accurate take

[real prairie]

So in a mirror match against another Xerneas flutter gets 66% boost 😭

[mighty stump]

Especially if Xern gets further defensive capabilities from Tera or Tera Blast coverage

[mighty stump]

Doesn’t stack

[craggy dagger]

ionno
it just feels like xern won’t see much play in general cuz of other hard hitting stuff in the meta

[astral kelp]

lunala won something

thats fucking crazy

[craggy dagger]

though tera ground would be something to watch out for

[real prairie]

Ah wasn't aware

[craggy dagger]

i suppose

[astral kelp]

i wanna see his ev sopread

[craggy dagger]

a magician never reveals their secret-

[forest arrow]

They released the team should be accessible

[craggy dagger]

though rentals

[astral kelp]

where can i find that?

[mighty stump]

+2 252 SpA Fairy Aura Tera Fairy Xerneas Moonblast vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 127-150 (65.8 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[forest arrow]

https://x.com/behzadvgc/status/1898881214712344761?s=12&t=gEcvvuDLBwqjwOC0yfoRYg

Behzad (@BehzadVgc) on X

I won the 2025 Vancouver Regional Championships. I started working on this team after San Antonio and put in so much work to make it the best that it could be. To see that work pay off is incredibly gratifying. I’d be happy if you gave my Lunala a try!

X · Mar 9, 2025, 11:38 PM

[astral kelp]

isnt xerneas banned

[forest arrow]

@astral kelp

[astral kelp]

oh sweet

[mighty stump]

Idk how I feel abt the Lunala team

[astral kelp]

i really want to try that lunala wochien set i saw

[rustic mountain]

its a one hit wonder

in terms of winning it all

[astral kelp]

someone else got top 32 with lunala

[mighty stump]

That’s what I’m thinking

The matchup spread is quite thin

[astral kelp]

she still dies to incin knock off tho lmao

[forest arrow]

Basically take tangs team and swap CIR Amoongus for Lunala Indeedee

[rustic mountain]

itll b around but something thats gna be like the other top restricteds i dont think it fits as consistent. i think this was just a smart call and overall solid mus. now that ppl see it won idt itll have the same effectiveness

[mighty stump]

Imo best ancillary members of the metagame rn

Roaring Moon/Hearthflame

[astral kelp]

what website is this btw

[cyan smelt]

idk i prefer rockpon

[mighty stump]

Its ok

Hearthflame can chunk Terapagos through Tera Shell

Plus it threatens Zama, CIR

[rustic mountain]

i think the benefit of hearthflame is its flexibility between being more defensive while also having the ability to go all out offense

[mighty stump]

Groudon

[astral kelp]

this guy calling csr a fraud is really fucking funny

[mighty stump]

Even resists get chunked so

[rustic mountain]

the other ogerpons are all one or the other essentially

[cyan smelt]

i kinda like tinkaton too

[mighty stump]

as the OG Tinkaton player - it aint it

[foggy lodge]

MU fishing team ngl

[astral kelp]

yknbow whats even crazier tho

[mighty stump]

Yea

[astral kelp]

2nd place in that tournament was running galade WITHOUT wide guard

[mighty stump]

Overall most consistent Restricted outside of Calys is Kyogre

[foggy lodge]

Labmaus

[astral kelp]

and this guy COOKED

[astral kelp]

oh i think my dark mode makes it look different

[foggy lodge]

I don't think the Lunala team is gonna have a very big impact on the meta

[next stump]

check out top cut explorer as well

[foggy lodge]

Probably gonna dissapear in 2 weeks

[rustic mountain]

its a cool team but nah

[forest arrow]

Psyspam was just a good call into the regional

[foggy lodge]

But anyways Terapagos is winning stockholm next trust

[rustic mountain]

[astral kelp]

this got 42nd

its interesting too

[mighty stump]

Still good

Forever a Terapagos believer

[next stump]

3 more weeks till we hopefully get Reg I need

news*

[astral kelp]

kinda similiar to my lunala team

[rustic mountain]

also reg i need

[mighty stump]

Lol

Ik peoples been on the CM/Subpagos

[rustic mountain]

yea

[atomic mural]

do koraidon weezing teams have max max koraidons or are they bulkier?

[mighty stump]

HO is pretty nice though

[astral kelp]

did you see the heatran sert

[mighty stump]

Marco’s team

Its ok

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its been around since like a month

[mighty stump]

Magma Storm is too inaccurate for me speaking from experience

[foggy lodge]

It won the second VR and most italian players are using

[astral kelp]

i like seing scream tailk

[mighty stump]

As much as trapping is valuable

[rustic mountain]

i find specs much more threatening personally. cm can get outta hand but so many ppl play it so linear

[foggy lodge]

Also a variant with Flutter over scream tail did really well at vancouver

[mighty stump]

Yea

I made a variant of Suica’s HOPagos team and it’s been smooth sailing

[foggy lodge]

Heatran in general is not that much of an important piece in that team i think

[astral kelp]

true

[foggy lodge]

Yuxiang Wang was using Chien-Pao over Heatran

[astral kelp]

turn 1 tera plus funny one shot attack is crazy

[mighty stump]

Its probably key for the Trap/Encore lock which works butbueah

[foggy lodge]

Yeah like pao flutter could be working imo

[mighty stump]

Shouldn’t always Tera turn 1 with Specspagos cause you do more damage to a single slot without

[astral kelp]

its supposed to be like a koraidon counter right?

[rustic mountain]

ive jumped back recently into playing again. been using the scarf mirai team mostly. have been using variations ill dm u the specifics sometime this week

[mighty stump]

I’ll send over mine later

Won my NPAA match with it

[foggy lodge]

Heatran mostly works as a "2nd restricted" in a way where it comes to help in some bad match ups with tera like Zamazenta or Koraidon so yeah

[rustic mountain]

also i just gta make a rental code but i have it in game ill give u the code too

[mighty stump]

Oh sick

[foggy lodge]

But its still a team of Terapagos + 5 supports

[mighty stump]

I’ve been lazy to play

[foggy lodge]

Just that Heatran isn't full support lol

[rustic mountain]

i think our spreads prolly have some differentiation but shouldnt be too drastic

[mighty stump]

Nah no problem

Gonna explore more Pagos

[rustic mountain]

fair i gta use pagos too

[astral kelp]

this is such a cool team

[foggy lodge]

The hardest hard TR ever

[mighty stump]

Just looks like psyspam

[astral kelp]

it got second

thats whats crazy

[foggy lodge]

4 psychics in big 2025

[forest arrow]

Not as good as 4 rocks

[foggy lodge]

And I didn't expect Hatterene to be used tbh

[astral kelp]

yeah same

[mighty stump]

Just another day of psyspam flying under the radar and like

[astral kelp]

i feel like youd either use torkoal or hattarene

[mighty stump]

its generally not great

but you fish it right and like tada

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[astral kelp]

its the galade that facinates me

[foggy lodge]

MU fishing regional😭

[tiny karma]

Pokémon No. 475: Gallade

Types

Psychic/Fighting

Abilities

Steadfast, Sharpness, Justified (Hidden)

HP/Atk/Def/SpA/SpD/Spe

68/125/65/65/115/80

Total

518

Other Formes

Gallade-Mega

Sableye version 4.28.1

Ability: Sharpness

This Pokemon's slicing moves have their power multiplied by 1.5.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[astral kelp]

i could see how that would do a lot of damage

but idk its a weird speed tier

oooh upper hand is anti fake out interesting

thougths on bullet seed sawbuck

[foggy lodge]

Its not mandatory trying to use every pokemon of the game

[astral kelp]

BAHAHA

i paid for the whole game im using the whole game

[forest arrow]

Good luck with that

[foggy lodge]

Fair reasoning tho

[forest arrow]

Yeah can’t be mad at it

[foggy lodge]

Like

[forest arrow]

but glhf

[foggy lodge]

He has a point actually lol

[astral kelp]

problem

sceptile is too slow

NAH IT ONLY PROCKS ONCE THATS SO LAME

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2316884491-da4tm1n1tng8l3poianrasqdmqk6hq2pw

type shit

type shit

[astral kelp]

regi drago suicine 0-0

love it

[foggy lodge]

what

[craggy dagger]

lol

[left bobcat]

Do you really know how to play the game

[bold geode]

Hello Tofu

[bold geode]

No

[left bobcat]

THEN TIGHTEN UP

[torn parrot]

i promise you guys people do not actually hate the snow white movie at all they just hate the actress

i think 90% of world actualy just doesnt care about the movie, but finds the actress annoying

[mint void]

Random but correct yeah

[strange fjord]

you know what else is random? this 1800s player using solosis

[real prairie]

Morning all

[torn parrot]

Respect

[mighty stump]

I am cooking

for once

It's been a while

[cyan smelt]

terapagos?

[mighty stump]

Yep

[cyan smelt]

it's not coaching body press terapagos is it

[mighty stump]

Who the fuck

Would ever run that

[cyan smelt]

no idea

[mighty stump]

THEN WHY WOULD YOU SUGGEST IT

[charred saddle]

idk man idk

[cyan smelt]

i just saw it while watching replays

[mighty stump]

bang

knp lo tb" jdi nasi kecil

[charred saddle]

castorice kakaawkwakwa

HSR ada character namanya castorice

[mighty stump]

nasi besar oos emg

[charred saddle]

[mighty stump]

What is your team

Wogerpon

[charred saddle]

uh made it myself

Zapdos --> Wurshifu
Firepon --> waterpon

https://pokepast.es/44fb31bd5cc5cbee

[charred saddle]

i feel bad for this guy

astral follow me
astral follow me
astral follow me
astral follow me

[mint void]

What it do?

[real prairie]

he is clearly suggesting its something you might cook 👀

[mighty stump]

Rude

I always have reasoning to back up my builds

[real prairie]

hey, i didnt say it

😉

[mighty stump]

I forgot how satisfying it is to build

[charred saddle]

lefties calmmind pagos? or specs

[mighty stump]

Specs

[charred saddle]

oo

[mighty stump]

Anyone got that link to that multi-calc

[charred saddle]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/
?

[real prairie]

when it works, its super satisfying

Love slapping 1700 players first thing in the morning https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2317011375-r7bd6wv72pknsjhelodsc22yuyedb5gpw

[cyan smelt]

looks like more miraidon teams might be running volcarona to deal with rilla

[mighty stump]

Ur opp played so badly wtf

[real prairie]

yup

[cyan smelt]

nobody expects the tsareena

[real prairie]

free wins Kal

lol

[cyan smelt]

nice

[real prairie]

you were watching lol

[cyan smelt]

yeah i wanted to see something good because he's highly ranked but he dipped

[real prairie]

i played this toxic stall team on my alt about half hour ago at 1300, now facing it again at nearly 1600 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2317018537-4n9rbucesyyc81w5malsmu1nc9v3fltpw

feels like i just lost to a low roll to someone in 1800 lol https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2317022066-l42moifin06fhj7ctyuvwohce8x9m2fpw

[mighty stump]

Your mistake was not covering the Calyrex Tera and doubling it

Plus Urshifu could still just CC Ludicolo and win off that in the Incin 1v1

Since I suspect Urshifu would be Sash

Also idk if you wanted to stagger KOs on T2

It wasn't really ideal since then you had to trade Tsareena for Bolt and give that boost to CIR

[cyan smelt]

Next time I play a miraidon team I'm gonna have to watch out for volcarona

[real prairie]

IF Knock off KO's there i should underspeed Urshifu and energy ball, bring it down to sash and whichever mon gets KO'd the other cleans up

[cyan smelt]

Which tera is caly I usually because I thought they were running fairy for a while

[real prairie]

ive seen fairy, water and fire

[mighty stump]

That was on 2nd to last turn of TR

Urshifu could just Protect and GG

Cause they would have sussed out the Speed tier that turn

[real prairie]

just realised, had Incin surived and they target Ludi i win anyway from rocky helmet

[cyan smelt]

Why didn't you encore the tr?

[real prairie]

i dont underspeed CIR

[mighty stump]

You would have been KO'd first though before the Rocky Helmet chip

[real prairie]

but Incin would still be alive

[mighty stump]

and do like negative damage to Urshifu

[real prairie]

but urshifu would be dead?

energy ball + rocky helmet

on the last turn

[mighty stump]

So you're talking about if Incin survived, KO'd Calyrex, and the scenario where Ludicolo KOs Urshifu through Rocky Helmet + Energy Ball

That's a lot of IFs

How much attack you have on Incin

[real prairie]

the only IF is that knock off KO'ing CIR

[real prairie]

252+

theres also the possibility i don't underspeed urshifu though, although i doubt that

[mighty stump]

252+ Atk Incineroar Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera-Water Calyrex-Ice Rider through Reflect: 39-47 (18.8 - 22.7%) -- possible 5HKO

You highrolled

Lol

So you never would have KO'd

[mighty stump]

• IF CIR got KO'd
• IF Urshifu targeted Ludicolo first
• IF Ludicolo undersped

[real prairie]

ah fuck i forgot about the reflect

yeah only a crit wins me that

shame

[mighty stump]

Happens

[real prairie]

thanks for the insight Fu ❤️

[cyan smelt]

What does your team do against tr anyway

[real prairie]

usually fakeout stall it

incin is also 0 speed brave, quite literally my only TR asset lol

[cyan smelt]

I can see a problem if you ever have to face ursaluna or hatterene

[real prairie]

yeah, can see why they would cause an issue

[cyan smelt]

Ursaluna is very scary in tr

[charred saddle]

Fu

Tofu FU

[cyan smelt]

That bwahacough guy is still using ttar lycanroc

[real prairie]

I say something wrong? lol

[cyan smelt]

True

[mighty stump]

you k

[charred saddle]

gtw bang

[bold geode]

What the Tofu doin

[chrome knot]

https://vgcmulticalc.com/

[charred saddle]

ooo thats a nice calc

[bold geode]

Fr

[grizzled island]

Is it possible to use jirachi competitively?

[chrome knot]

in vgc doubles no

& in game singles

other unofficial showdown metagames yes

[grizzled island]

Ah, well that sucks

Would be cool if I could use them for actually tournaments

[polar canyon]

Kinda wanna try making porygon z work tbh

I just like the guy

[mint void]

Mythicals are banned

[polar canyon]

Feeling nostalgic about early swsh bss

That stuff was what got me into trying competitive

I could never go back but man

Stalling people with unaware was funny

Can't believe I liked bss

[left bobcat]

So unfunny

[grizzled island]

Yeah im just getting into competitive and am super excited to try out some day

[mint void]

JoeUgarte playing vs transform smeargl lmao

[real prairie]

Now that's some tech

[polar canyon]

Why does calyrex ice not learn nasty plot

I'm not gonna use that ofc

It's just that I noticed showdown doesn't let it have it but I thought both forms shared the same moveset except the signature move

[tiny karma]

Calyrex-Ice's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Avalanche, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Close Combat, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Giga Impact, Glacial Lance, Heavy Slam, High Horsepower, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Lash Out, Megahorn, Outrage, Pay Day, Payback, Pound, Seed Bomb, Smart Strike, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Superpower, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Throat Chop, Trailblaze, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Blizzard, Confusion, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hyper Beam, Ice Beam, Icy Wind, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Curse, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Hail, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Iron Defense, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Mist, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Roar, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Snowscape, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Swords Dance, Tail Whip, Taunt, Torment, Trick, Trick Room, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Ice.

Sableye version 4.28.1

Calyrex-Shadow's moveset:

Physical Moves

Assurance, Body Press, Body Slam, Bulldoze, Bullet Seed, Crunch, Double Kick, Double-Edge, Facade, Foul Play, Giga Impact, Lash Out, Pay Day, Payback, Phantom Force, Pound, Psycho Cut, Seed Bomb, Solar Blade, Stomp, Stomping Tantrum, Tackle, Take Down, Thrash, Zen Headbutt

Special Moves

Astral Barrage, Confusion, Dark Pulse, Draining Kiss, Energy Ball, Expanding Force, Future Sight, Giga Drain, Grass Knot, Hex, Hyper Beam, Leaf Storm, Magical Leaf, Mega Drain, Mud Shot, Night Shade, Pollen Puff, Psybeam, Psychic, Psyshock, Round, Shadow Ball, Snarl, Snore, Solar Beam, Stored Power, Swift, Tera Blast, Tri Attack, Uproar

Status Moves

Agility, Ally Switch, Aromatherapy, Baton Pass, Calm Mind, Confuse Ray, Curse, Disable, Encore, Endure, Grassy Terrain, Gravity, Growth, Guard Swap, Haze, Heal Pulse, Helping Hand, Imprison, Leech Seed, Life Dew, Light Screen, Magic Room, Metronome, Nasty Plot, Pain Split, Power Swap, Protect, Psych Up, Psychic Terrain, Reflect, Rest, Safeguard, Scary Face, Skill Swap, Sleep Talk, Speed Swap, Substitute, Sunny Day, Tail Whip, Taunt, Trick, Trick Room, Will-O-Wisp, Wonder Room

Notes

A move displayed with Bold text benefits from Same-Type Attack Bonus when used by Calyrex-Shadow.

Sableye version 4.28.1

[real prairie]

A few differences

[polar canyon]

I really wanna get back to competitive but don't really like how most legendaries play

Maybe I'll give in and just make an ice rider team

I may not like how it plays but if it wins it wins I guess

[tiny vector]

What's the quickest way to get caught up on the competitive scene? Not played since very early days of SV.

[polar canyon]

Imo just watching people

And checking news on recent events

Maybe usage stats

Sometimes when I haven't played in a while I hop on showdown and watch some random public battles

[tiny vector]

Got sources for any of these things?

[polar canyon]

Showdown for watching live, youtube for recent pokemon livestreamed events

Just looking up recent championships so you can see people's teams

Munchstats.com

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2317280618-djbytvdth710kldu865ng6nhb2f2deppw

this team is kinda fun idk tho

[polar canyon]

Hi

[polar canyon]

Looks nice

Nothing too crazy just the reliable

[chrome knot]

exactly

[polar canyon]

That's fun

[chrome knot]

Ian Lee brought it to vanc and placed well w/ it

[polar canyon]

I'm so out of the loop with that I don't know any big names on competitive events other than like, the biggest ones

Hey

Caly shadow vivillon team yay or nay

Someone's probably done that before

Dont know if I'd rather use friend guard or compound eyes tho

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2317285866-l4wj1cgwc3ti2eralm3mrniy1rs3kowpw

[polar canyon]

How much does a tera grass giga drain in terrain do to kyogre?

Also does it take a bleakwind with friend guard

[chrome knot]

Life Orb Tera-Grass Calyrex-Shadow Rider Giga Drain vs. 132 HP / 12 SpD Kyogre in Grassy Terrain: 174-205 (90.6 - 106.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[chrome knot]

252 SpA Tornadus Bleakwind Storm vs. Tera-Grass Calyrex-Shadow Rider with Friend Guard: 91-109 (45.7 - 54.7%) -- 66.8% chance to 2HKO

[polar canyon]

Nice numbers

[polar canyon]

Uninvested?

[chrome knot]

just not showing my spreads

[polar canyon]

Or did you just cut out spa

Ah I see

I usually share my spreads for input or confirmation

Since I know I'm not good at the game

I'm probably technically above the average player but just because of the amount of existing players that aren't good

Never really had that much motivation since I don't really go to in person events

You've been to one recently right?

[chrome knot]

yeah I just got home from vancouver

[craggy dagger]

hi

[bright spire]

[bright spire]

[craggy dagger]

hi hammmm !!!

[chrome knot]

haaaii

[bright spire]

Hi nova

[polar canyon]

I need online friends who give me a silly hi when I'm in chat tbh that's what I need in life rn

[polar canyon]

Was it fun?

I saw that you were upset but I hope it was still worth the trip

[craggy dagger]

[polar canyon]

I bet you can actually make a lot of similar interest connections going to live events like that

[polar canyon]

Can you even imagine being in the middle of a giant stadium with everyone watching and judging your plays

[craggy dagger]

how would that even work-

[polar canyon]

Actually can you imagine being in that situation and losing

[craggy dagger]

time to go ride off into the horizon with suicune

god
The pressure for a 1v1 when everyone is watching like that would be horrible

[polar canyon]

I know the like reasonable thing to do is be proud that you were in the top cut of worlds

But knowing myself I know I can't handle that

[chrome knot]

it was a lovely time ^-^

[polar canyon]

I'm very glad

If I ever have a semester with less study load for college I think I'll look into any south america regionals

Or like, minor events lol I'm not ready for a regional

[craggy dagger]

if anything
go with a spectators pass to get a sense of what the vibe is like

[polar canyon]

First I need to actually go to where an event is happening

Honestly. Realistically I might only ever actually attend to events like that when I'm done with college, with a stable job and not living with my parents

But if opportunity arises and I have a semester with less work I think I'll try something

I hope it's never too late to start taking the game seriously because my plan is to do it late lol

Baffles me how some very young people can be incredible at the game while I could never

Keanu

I guess some people are just born with it

Not undermining all the effort and practice

But I doubt that with the same amount of practice and training as him I'd have the same amount of skill

[craggy dagger]

well
i feel like theres also just
experience with handling public pressure in general

and if you're good at that, then you'd generally be more comfortable and calm during something like appearing on regionals

[polar canyon]

Unfortunate

I think I'm good with any pressure except public pressure

[atomic mural]

does anyone know how koraidon on weezing teams are EVd?

[polar canyon]

What's the weezing for

Is it ability shield koraidon

Honestly I'm still totally unsure on this one

Asking for feedback

All I know is I wanna build something that has mandibuzz

I like how mandibuzz plays in this ruleset

[mint void]

whu

[polar canyon]

No idea what to bring with it tho, I've had it do well with terapagos but still don't even have a set restricted I wanna build with

[polar canyon]

hi

[atomic mural]

i guess

[foggy lodge]

Yes its ability shield

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/d50671df56b9317d
so like this is the team so far

[foggy lodge]

With specs flutter and scarf chi-yu

[polar canyon]

Mandibuzz is a sleeper pick and I'll die on that hill

[foggy lodge]

Probably a lot of 252 252 4 on that team

What's the Tatsugiri item

Dondozo for sure has a more balanced spread

[mighty stump]

Very small hill you're dying on

[polar canyon]

Hi tofu

[mighty stump]

Hello

[atomic mural]

it says saftey goggles

[foggy lodge]

Maybe bulky

You could search some spreads on vgcpastes to atleast use temporarily and then change it to whatever you feel you need

[atomic mural]

also what is the idea behind dondozo on wezing teams

[polar canyon]

I think mandibuzz is cool, can do galarian moltres stuff just slightly different with a bit more phys bulk and a bit less offense

[atomic mural]

im really interested in trying something in double restricted

[polar canyon]

Doesn't require way too much investment to love a glacial lance while goltres has to lean heavily into it if it wants to do that

[foggy lodge]

Stall

[polar canyon]

So I like keeping it in and trading damage with it with a foul play

[foggy lodge]

Stall is doing fine in the current meta

[polar canyon]

I think it's more about weezing on a dondozo team

[foggy lodge]

Dozo Ting-Lu in Zama/CSR comps, the perish mode of Wolfey, toxic spikes/poison gas Geezing

[atomic mural]

vgc pastes only has one weezing koraidon and it dosent have evs

[polar canyon]

You could take that opportunity to experiment to it and tweak it the way you want

[atomic mural]

yeah

[polar canyon]

You have the whole movesets and items so at least you have a base to work with

[mint void]

u deserve a slap

Mandibuzz
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
IVs: 0 Atk

• Snarl
• Foul Play
• Taunt

I guess u want that +Speed control?

Maybe feather dance?

[real prairie]

Active today mate, the Mrs away for the week? 😄

Joking obviously, nice to see you back bro

[polar canyon]

I have my own set I just have to find it written down somewhere

But it takes a glacial lance and is 1 point faster in tailwind than timid max speed csr

[mint void]

Mandibuzz
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 92 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Snarl
• Foul Play
• Taunt

that does that

[craggy dagger]

where'd the rest of the EVs go

[mint void]

Maybe figure out a special move to live?

Good rolls for gleam from miraidon?

[polar canyon]

252/-0/36/4/+124/92

I run snarl foul play taunt tw

[craggy dagger]

no protect?

[polar canyon]

Nope

Protect is good but I saw more value in the moves I'm using

If I change anything it's taunt for protect tho

Unless if I were to put it on a team that doesn't really need tw

Or gets speed control from something else

[mint void]

item?

[polar canyon]

Sitrus

[mint void]

mid

its good vs the horses

so berry kinda sucks. maybe covert

[polar canyon]

That's the point yeah

[craggy dagger]

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 36 Def Mandibuzz: 186-218 (85.7 - 100.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
huh

[polar canyon]

I can try covert

[craggy dagger]

why not lefties if you want healing

[polar canyon]

Guess I misremembered but still a 6.3%

[polar canyon]

I wanted the more immediate healing for that team and was getting more healing out of sitrus

[craggy dagger]

why not run more def instead of speed

unless speed is calced-
.-.

[polar canyon]

It is

[craggy dagger]

ah

[polar canyon]

For timid csr if you're in tailwind

Which is a very realistic situation

[mint void]

maybe see to live Lorb DK from Tera Fairy CSR?

ok yeah u live

[foggy lodge]

Life orb donkey kong?!?!

[craggy dagger]

lmao

[polar canyon]

That's actually why I lowered defense to only just enough to living glacial lance, it used to be more heavy on defense but then I had it be one shot by draining kiss and was like yeah I gotta change that

I think the reason I didn't run covert was because since I ran it with terapagos and often led with those 2, terapagos was always a more juicy target for fake out and I'd just protect out the fake out

And covert ended up kinda useless

I think I'll do terapagos again with the usual fwg incin urshi rilla

[lost sun]

made it to rank 10

[grizzled island]

What are the stats I should focus on for jirachi?

Ik i can't use them technically but I still wanna build em for it

And can someone explain how to use trick room properly

[next stump]

are you playing double or single battles

[grizzled island]

Uh doubles

But i would like to understand using it in singles too

[next stump]

Trick room is best/most easily used to help make your slower but strong pokemon able to hit first. You usually see it on teams with Calyrex-Ice or another slow restricted legendary pokemon. The easiest way to get it set up is to have a redirector pokemon (like something with Follow Me) next to a trick room setter. You can also lead Fake Out + trick room setter, but that’s riskier due to things like Covert Cloak, Psychic Terrain, and Farigiraf

You only have 4 turns of Trick Room, so you really really need to aim to get at least 2 knockouts so you can clean up the game from there

[grizzled island]

Tysvm

[left bobcat]

You’re welcome

[mint void]

drop the team goat

[lost sun]

no it's mine

[mint void]

?

ok man

[foggy lodge]

XD

[left bobcat]

D

[fluid fiber]

Idea: https://pokepast.es/d87c963dd3f2248b

Might put earth power back on Terapagos, but yeah

[real prairie]

Some new mega leaks

[craggy dagger]

azumarill 😭

[spiral ridge]

i would love to slowking one lol

[craggy dagger]

revert back to azurill

[spiral ridge]

azu is cute too lol

[shadow wind]

That slowking is me when I’m on ladder(huge thinker)

[polar canyon]

Would be hilarious, but I don't believe it

Azumarill got some inspiration from mega altaria

Why are all the fake magazine leaks always so blurry

[patent marsh]

"taking picture under a light" is more accessible than "scanning it" since not as many people have printers anymore especially in the general age bracket interested in the games still

[solid frigate]

this feels fake-

[patent marsh]

Yea the azumarill took roo much from altaria

[real prairie]

Did some digging, they are concepts from someone at r/Pokemon that someone stole and faked as leaks, sorry folks

[polar canyon]

It's not about not scanning it it's easy to not make the picture so bad

[chrome knot]

azu so stimkyyy i love her please be real ;(

[marsh hemlock]

Hi someone wanna 2v2?

[real prairie]

Try #1046572041421197352

[torn parrot]

BUN

Oh god…

Mawile 2.0

[forest arrow]

https://pokepast.es/e1af1e1408647e02

My last team of reg g

[solid frigate]

those are fake don't worry

[torn parrot]

When I looked closer I realized it was just copy and paste azumarill base art

[atomic mural]

is there some kind of way to see what pokemon use a specific tera?

[solid frigate]

unless Open team sheet

you have to guess

but for Mons like Urshifu water or Koraidon

they are all universal one Tera

Urshifu water for Water and Koraidon for Fire

[mint void]

U can check usage stats

Gives u an idea what zo expect. Munchstats works

[atomic mural]

im mainly asking because i dont know if i should get rid of poison gas or toxic spikes for taunt but i dont know which is better

[mint void]

Wha5s ur team?

Hard to say in general

[atomic mural]

its not really a reg g team im just building for fun

[mint void]

Doesnt change

[atomic mural]

https://pokepast.es/afa212d47129ff17 but i think its really funny

[solid frigate]

ok yeah fuck you because you made that team /j

[atomic mural]

so yeah should i get rid of poison gas or toxic spikes on weezxing

[atomic mural]

the name of the team speaks for itself

[mint void]

@atomic mural ni sleep immunity but also stall option with dozo

Maybe drop spikes for taunt

[atomic mural]

alr

honestly i might bring a better version of the team to millwaukee if its double restricted

[left bobcat]

Boooo

[atomic mural]

ok but it would be really funny

[left bobcat]

Not funny or cool dude

🚿

[next stump]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2317594133-6g0p7c72oiqd4lyau7nnd33rwynbvwwpw

super slow miraidon from the rank 20 player

[solid frigate]

what the fu

[carmine compass]

Whats so slow about the miraidon? It went second because of trick room?

[next stump]

it undersped adamant ogerpon

so its 158 speed stat or slower

[chrome knot]

yeah they jus be 252/252 hp/spatk sometimes

no spe invest is 155

[solid frigate]

if you wanna be a madman

No speed Quite Nature 0IV is below 140

[chrome knot]

but then ur just being stupid

[shadow wind]

Oh heck nah

If nobody got me Bo3 got me

[foggy lodge]

You are already at 1500?

[left bobcat]

Wasn’t pure

[shadow wind]

What you mean?

This account has been at 1500 for a bit now

Just trying different ideas out

[cyan smelt]

Isn't a slow miraidon impossible in game because it has fixed IVs and nature

[shadow wind]

If it's like Raging bolt then yes

[rustic mountain]

slow as in no ev investment

not like slower then the guaranteed iv

[cyan smelt]

Oh right

[shadow wind]

IRON BALL

Just don't play Bo3

I'm trying out a new team with Kingambit

Feel like he's being slept on

[rustic mountain]

[shadow wind]

Hey he resists both Astral and Glacial as well as defiant being goated

[cyan smelt]

urshifu and brian say hello

[shadow wind]

That's why I paired it with flutter !

As well as other fellas

[cyan smelt]

ogerpon also says hello

lando too

[shadow wind]

😔

It's almost like I planned for there to also be another pokemon on the field with him

It ain't no 1v1

https://pokepast.es/4747c468d47849c5

This is the team, I made it today

Definitely still tweaking it

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

butthead

[craggy dagger]

meanie

[spiral ridge]

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

Why you looking at me like that

[chrome knot]

bc u stimk

[spiral ridge]

Go to bed cranky pants

[chrome knot]

@craggy dagger stella being super stinky can u throw hands

[spiral ridge]

Wtff

What did I do :((

[bold geode]

Stinky

[shadow wind]

Can y'all go to dms 😭

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

Idk what I did

[astral kelp]

iwonder if theres any funny moody teams i can make

[shadow wind]

Eviolite Glalie?

[astral kelp]

i need ALL the stall

[astral kelp]

it evovles right?"

[shadow wind]

Into what?

[astral kelp]

frost something something

[shadow wind]

I mean Snorunt has a split evolution with Froslass if that’s what you’re thinking of

[astral kelp]

yea

does eviolite not work with that?

[shadow wind]

That’d be like saying Gardevoir evolves into Gallade

[astral kelp]

oh

its split i see ahhh

[shadow wind]

Considering how Glalie does not evolve I’d say no

[astral kelp]

i thought glalie only evolved if it was female

woopsy hahaha

[shadow wind]

Why are you trying to make Glalie work anyway? That Mon is terrible

[cyan smelt]

Use scovillain

[shadow wind]

Even Scovillian is just astral barrage fodder

[cyan smelt]

The only one that isn't is smeargle

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[astral kelp]

cuz i thought i could use eviolite lol

[shadow wind]

Even then Glalie is like mop water

[astral kelp]

yeah its one of my dumber ideas

moody muk is prolly way better and more reliable

maybe something skill swap

[shadow wind]

But why?

[astral kelp]

moody is fun lol

gambling

[cyan smelt]

Have fun losing to dozo

[shadow wind]

But losing isn’t very fun

[astral kelp]

why specifically dozo?

im losing to a lot more than that LOL

oh yeah unaware

[cyan smelt]

Dozo has unaware

[shadow wind]

And that’s why you spam Draco meteor into them

[astral kelp]

depends lol

[cyan smelt]

If you can survive all the order ups or wave crashes

[astral kelp]

losing isnt fun but when a team loses a lot and you manage to win thats extra fun

[shadow wind]

This is true

[shadow wind]

I guess it’s all perspective but I’d rather go 10-0 than 1-9

[astral kelp]

for me if i win with something that i know is good and isnt something i like had to work hard towards its like less rewarding
id rather have 1 big hard fought win over 10 easy wins

ofc yea all perspective hahah

[shadow wind]

I mean I personally view it as if you made it yourself it’s your efforts put into the team

Who cares if it’s Calyrex shadow rider, if you made the team it’s your credit

Which is why I almost strictly play my own teams

[astral kelp]

do you feel like its more satisfying if you win 10 times with fucking ho oh or some shit or win 10 times with CSR

[shadow wind]

Well you aren’t winning 10 times with ho oh

[astral kelp]

yeah i just get like so bored playing with other peoples teams

[shadow wind]

And I use Groudon anyway so it’s a moot point

[astral kelp]

thing is
people say stuff like that and just dismiss it completely
but some dude just won a big ass tournament with lunala

and when i was building a lunala team i got told the same thing

ofc idk about ho oh HAHAH

[shadow wind]

Right so I bet next tournament we’ll see 20 Lunala teams for sure

[cyan smelt]

That's most likely a one off, sometimes mons are good meta picks, you don't see pachirisu doing anything since it won worlds ages ago

[astral kelp]

Ofc

I'm not saying lunala is good I'm saying lunala for that one event could win and just because the dude prolly decided to try something new

[shadow wind]

People gravitate towards easy picks like CSR and Zama, not easy to play but are easy to build around I would say. The Lunala accomplishment is incredible but I doubt we’ll see another tournament being won by a restricted that isn’t part of the top 5

[astral kelp]

Either way ofc everyone can play how they wanna play but that's just why I like doing dumb shit lol

[shadow wind]

I mean just playing how you want isn’t really in the spirit of a competitive scene

But I play a mid restricted so what do I know

[astral kelp]

Ehhh debatable
I got top 100 in the world in legends of runeterra back when it was hard to get there with a dumb mono shurima reksai team
The concept was goofy and cheesy but I spent HOURS on that deck slowly optimising it against the most common match ups and developing plans against harder matchups

[cyan smelt]

Pokemon is different, you're not gonna get far playing dumb shit

[shadow wind]

Word

[astral kelp]

Lol probably

[shadow wind]

Surprise factor does exist and if I see a Palkia I might start to rethink my life choices

[astral kelp]

LOOOL

[shadow wind]

But am I going to see a Palkia? Probably not

[cyan smelt]

Even with their new forms Palkia and Dialga just get outclassed by the paradoxes

[shadow wind]

Yuppers

[astral kelp]

Also imagine you're like high ranked in something and you're like one win away from getting to your goal
Then you lose to some of the dumbest shit you've ever seen in your entire life

I thrive off that pain o7

[shadow wind]

Like I’ll be concerned until I remember I have a Tera fairy specs Flutter mane

[astral kelp]

Yeah lmao

Tbh what does Palkia even do

[shadow wind]

I mean I beat a top 10 guy on ladder earlier when I was barely T500, can’t imagine he felt too great

[astral kelp]

Does it like even fulfill a specific niesh

[shadow wind]

Miss moves

[astral kelp]

So same as Groudon?

Worse typing tho

[shadow wind]

Nah he misses more

Hydro + Spacial rend

[cyan smelt]

Only single target too

[astral kelp]

Btw whats your main Groudon team?

I think it's fucking hilarious that special water types have the hydro pump curse

If you're a special water type
You must pray to rnjesus

[shadow wind]

I make a new team every like 3 days or so cause I get bored but I’m currently using this one

https://pokepast.es/d2b327b4bd7c55e6

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't help they removed scald from so many mons

[shadow wind]

To be fair it was a really strong move

Buff physical attacks 🙏🙏🙏

There is no reason that special moves should just be strictly better

[astral kelp]

So true tho like wtf

They already have to deal with intimidate

[cyan smelt]

They did buff physical attacks, clear amulet

[shadow wind]

😔

I want better physical attacks

[astral kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

Just look at kyurem blacks moveset

[shadow wind]

Like the elemental punches are sometimes the best non committal coverage moves

[astral kelp]

Biggest piece of garbage moveset ever

[shadow wind]

When moves like Tbolt, Flamethrower, and ice beam are all stronger

[astral kelp]

Truly tragic

[shadow wind]

Don’t worry I know, I used that Mon

[astral kelp]

I tried man

Kyurem white at least gets really good moves

[shadow wind]

I hit 1500 on Bo1 ladder and dipped

[astral kelp]

That legit impressive

Could you imagine how good kyurem white would be if it was like literally any other type other than ice

[shadow wind]

I mean stab blizzard is nice

[astral kelp]

Yeahh

[cyan smelt]

Powerful freeze dry

[shadow wind]

Freeze dry hits so much

[astral kelp]

A lot of time I have to fusion flare anyways

[shadow wind]

One of the best moves ever made

[astral kelp]

Agree good BP too

[shadow wind]

70 is ok

They need to do that for more types though, like a steel move that is super effective on ground types

[astral kelp]

It's pretty good for the amount of stuff it does SA to

[shadow wind]

SA? Like the crime?

[astral kelp]

Bro ice gets to have it cuz it's such a shit type couod you imagine steel having that

[shadow wind]

Not offensively 😭😭

[astral kelp]

Lunala dying to incin knock off be like

[shadow wind]

It probably wouldn’t die

Not from full anyway

[astral kelp]

4x super effective

[shadow wind]

Still don’t know what your “SA” stands for

[astral kelp]

It's like her main counter

[shadow wind]

Shadow shield

[astral kelp]

I meant SE woops

[shadow wind]

Meteor beam??

[astral kelp]

I mean the calm mind set that's why the guy that won was using beam

[cyan smelt]

Wonder how much ogerpon hearthflame does to lunala

[shadow wind]

Under the right conditions probably 70%

[astral kelp]

I'm pretty sure lunala wins that

Like hard

[shadow wind]

Mmm maybe not

[astral kelp]

Idk I gotta do calcs

[shadow wind]

Wait I’m bugging it’s like 80 in the sun

[cyan smelt]

Ogerpon can at least chunk it

[shadow wind]

Just don’t Tera

[astral kelp]

I wanna try remake my calm mind comfy lunala

[shadow wind]

Or actually Tera probably does more

2.25x damage multiplier I believe

[astral kelp]

Wait really Holy shit

[cyan smelt]

Tera doesn't have mold breaker

[shadow wind]

Tera + attack boost though

It’s a lot

Tera in the sun probably kills no invest

+1 252+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala in Sun: 176-208 (83 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Well it's close

[cyan smelt]

Try with crit

[shadow wind]

+1 252+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Tera Fire Ogerpon-Hearthflame-Tera Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala in Sun on a critical hit: 265-312 (125 - 147.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[astral kelp]

i wonder if i can make these 3 a team

[shadow wind]

252+ Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shadow Shield Lunala in Sun: 88-104 (41.5 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

This is without tera by the way

[cyan smelt]

Underwhelming

[shadow wind]

Wait that doesn't seem right

[astral kelp]

no lunala is gonna go no bulk

right??

im not 100% sure

[shadow wind]

I mean it's pretty fat but typically nothing goes no bulk unless it's sashed

Shadow shield isn't affected by mold breaker 💀

[astral kelp]

LOL REALLY

[cyan smelt]

Why not

[shadow wind]

No idea, Serebii told me so

[cyan smelt]

Rigged

[shadow wind]

I know right

[astral kelp]

oh yeah btw i got this shiny eternatus, is there like any good combos with etern

[shadow wind]

Tinkaton?

[cyan smelt]

Well at least there's always neutralising gas

[astral kelp]

yea that

yo actually eternatus weezing could be cooking

[shadow wind]

How so?

[astral kelp]

eternatus gets fucking pressure as its ability

[shadow wind]

Which is good in a meta where 8 PP moves are the norm

[cyan smelt]

Usually people go eternatus tinkaton for immunity to sludge wave and tinkaton has feint and mold breaker fake out

[astral kelp]

Wait really I thought it was useless

[shadow wind]

In any other situation Tinkaton is mid but this is like its only niche

[astral kelp]

Ive literally never seen pressure come into play

[shadow wind]

Well then you haven’t been cosmic power pressure stalled before

[astral kelp]

Ight so tinaton is one

[astral kelp]

Lol what the fuck thay sounds hilarious

[cyan smelt]

Eternatus is funni mon

[shadow wind]

I love lorb Eternatus

Hits incredibly hard and is uber fast

And will still get outsped by CSR

😔

[astral kelp]

csr is just disguuusting

[shadow wind]

Which is why I’m running AV Kingambit

[astral kelp]

poison is kind of a good type rn with all the carylexes going tera fairy

[shadow wind]

Which might be turning into safety goggles Kingambit soon

[astral kelp]

oh yea your team has no amoongus answer

[shadow wind]

Not when Astral Barrage does 100%

[astral kelp]

wait no way

[shadow wind]

My Amoonguss answer is my 2 120 BP fire moves in the sun

And my safety goggles mon already

[astral kelp]

nah its chill

eternatus is really tnaky

[shadow wind]

You may have forgotten about psychic

It does get expanding force

[astral kelp]

not too bad

[cyan smelt]

Or even just single target moves so it doesn't get walled by wide guard

[astral kelp]

could go a bit tankier to live that

[shadow wind]

Being walled by wide guard is actually my favourite hobby

Man I hate Zama

[cyan smelt]

Then you just switch to high horsepower right

[astral kelp]

there ya go

[shadow wind]

Which I why I’m probably switching the AV on my team to Bolt so I can run weather ball

[shadow wind]

I do love High horsepower

[astral kelp]

does csr even run psychic btw

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[shadow wind]

Psyshock usually

For Fluttermanes I wanna say

[astral kelp]

hm should i bring back the nasty plot life orb sinistcha